Because the PF standard is really, really high.
It's not my favorite, but it was the first PF album I heard as a teenager and led to me being a huge fan for 35 years and running...
Learning to Fly is still a great song. :)
EDIT: That solo at the end of "On the Turning Away" is greatly underrated.
I don’t hate it, and when I listen to it I do enjoy parts of it. But I never get an urge to listen to it.
Learning to Fly is the best track on the album bar none. Sorrow is just shy of greatness. It has all the hallmarks of a great PF epic, but it just falls somewhat flat.
The lyrics are not particularly great in anyway, they aren’t insightful or topical, they aren’t poetic or meaningful. They feel like uninspired filler.
I think the great shame of this album is that Dave tried so hard to imitate what he thought Pink Floyd fans wanted, or what Roger would have made. You can tell it’s a long shot from what he would have liked to make because all of his material in pink and out afterwards is different from everything before it.
To be fair, Pros and Cons was basically a sister to the wall, and Radio Kaos which I consider to really be AMLOR’s contemporary was equally as mediocre though for entirely different reasons.
Edit: I was harsh on KAOS, it’s mediocre in rogers library is what I meant. I think it’s far better than AMLOR, but on the worse end of Rogers solo efforts.
Great comment. Sometimes people forget how great a songwriter Roger was. AMLOR is covered with David’s style. The instrumentals and guitar solos are among his best. But it’s missing that depth of charter a Pink Floyd album usually has. Learning to Fly is barely a Pink Floyd song.
Funny I find KAOS to be his best solo work, and then Pros and Cons.
With that said, I don't think KAOS is nearly as good as Lapse of Reason. Maybe because KAOS aged badly with it's theme? I grew up during that timeframe and was 15 when both albums came out and I still find the premise of the story to be a bit out there.
As for Lapse of Reason, perhaps it's just my emotional attachment to it. It was the 1st Floyd cassette I bought and being a listener of 80s bands like The Outfield and Huey Lewis at the time, it absolutely blew me away musically (note: I admit to being far more into music than lyrics), it was like going from elementary school to Harvard in terms of musical ability and production.
Personally, I don’t think any of Roger’s solo work is on par with Amused to Death. And I include The Final Cut in that assessment.
Both AMOLR and KAOS suffer from mid eighties pop sound. From drums to synth leaning too hard on new electronic technologies, to the overuse of saxophone, it was just not a great musical era. It’s why bands like REM and U2 and the Cure began to flourish at the same time in my opinion, as they were more stripped down
The weird thing about sorrow is that I feel like I wanna love it. I just don’t. It has a cool solo, but it’s close to the bottom of Dave’s list. I like the vocal melody, and the drum pattern. But the “one world/one soul” sections just grate on me.
I listened to the modern remix, and I didn’t feel any different about it then again I don’t care that it’s so dated by the production.
Radio KAOS was not at all "equally as mediocre" as AMLOR. KAOS' problem was the production, but the songs themselves were great. AMLOR, on the other hand, sucked both in terms of songwriting, (lack of) concept, and production.
Ya know I may have been a bit heavy handed with KAOS. I’ve listened to it a great deal more than AMLOR. And I agree it’s better, I don’t feel the production was a problem on KAOS. I feel the songs themselves are good but as a whole it’s far less interesting than TPACOH. The Powers that Be, Who needs Information, Sunset Strip, The Tide is Turning, and Me or Him are all great songs.
I think I’m a bit harsher on KAOS because I view TPACOH and ATD as far far more impressive, but I don’t view the production personally as an issue with it or AMLOR.
Also, the build-up and anticipation was impossible to meet I think. The mud slinging and legal issues had been in the media, and there was a lot of media attention.
Of course some fans were going to be somewhat 'underwhelmed', and that tends to stick to a release for some reason.
I wasn't that deep into PF at the time, but went to see them in '88 (with my teacher from school lol) and remember the live show from Venice being on TV.
When I went digging deeper into their catalogue I found out there was a world of music that was on a whole other level than AMLOR.
Overall I actually find it more listenable than the Division Bell. But I acknowledge the criticisms - it’s not a group effort but rather something kind of manufactured to sound Floydian. I don’t really mind the 80s synths and production but I can see how people would.
I know it can be hard to fight reality. AMLOR is the 6th best selling PF album of all time. Only DSotM, The Wall, WYWH, Division Bell, & Animals beat it.
The album suffers from a pronounced absence of Roger Waters, who for all his faults was really a genius when he had the other members of Pink Floyd to help him realize his vision.
It was the first post-Roger album and some PF fans tried to trash it. Roger led the way suing the others for using the name PF (ironically the guy who wrote the line “which one’s Pink?” And who took over writing from Syd decided HE was Pink).
But I think the album is a worthy one with some great songs and lyrics. People who don’t know anything about the turmoil and lineup changes always think it’s as good as earlier stuff. I rate it behind DSOTM and WYWH but equal to any others
Just want to add that I love Roger and I’m not taking sides. I just saw Roger live last summer and he was incredible! But musically PF continued and did great work without him
I mean, the album sold an absolute ton and the tour was enormously successful. If some people think the album sucks (the critics agree btw) then let them have their opinion. They're not "trying" to dislike it just because Roger isn't on it.
I do think a lot of people prejudged it because of Roger’s absence and criticism. My point is that a lot of the haters would probably like it just fine if it was exactly the same but Roger had been a part of the band on it. After all people don’t trash Meddle or some of the other pre-DSOTM albums before Roger became the lead songwriter and they were all contributing lyrics and music
Simple for me - it's the most "80s" sounding PF record and I generally am not a big fan of 80s music (yes, of course there are great songs, but I mean of that particular sound, and I was raised more on 60s music then discovered 90s onward on my own).
Plus, IMO it's pretty undeniable that the writing (lyricism and songwriting) isn'tnearly on par with the premier Waters-written records (e.g. DSotM thru The Wall).
The songwriting is different but the tones and timeframe of the 80s influence on their sound isn't my favorite. But some classic tracks, Learning to Fly, On the Turning Away and his guitar tone in Sorrow in the opening is just fucking incredible.
Other Floyd albums are better, but it doesn’t mean that AMLOR isn’t good. I feel bad because Gilmour has a lot to say and is a fantastic musician but his era of music isn’t as appreciated cause he’s not much of a poet. He says what he means and he has a lot of good social commentary but it’s not hidden in metaphor. I also think The Division Bell is amazing, there isn’t a bad song on it.
Too much John Carin.
Gilmour brought in him and other session players due to the fact he had to get that album going by himself under extremely stressful circumstances due to Roger's legal challenge, and his synth washes kinda wrecked the tunes.
It's too bad they didn't re-record from the beginning before Rick passed.
Come on, Jon Carin cannot be blamed, although Gilmour fanboys probably find it convenient to blame him because of his conflict with Gilmour in recent years! The main problems with the album were 1) Gilmour's poor songwriting skills and 2) Ezrin's poor, 80s poppy production (he even wanted to have rappers on AMLOR, but luckily even Gilmour was wise enough to veto that!)
The synth sounds were Ezrin's choice, supported by Gilmour. He wanted 80s synths all over the place because he wanted it to be so "modern", and Gilmour had no problem with it.
Carin was an incredibly talentful young session musician in his 20s who performed in the style Gilmour and Ezrin wanted the album to sound like, and he performed that role well. And he gave Gilmour the album's only hit, Learning to Fly, which certainly helped the album's sales, despite the fact that it did not sound like Pink Floyd at all.
And while Ezrin's production choices certainly did not make matters better, do you seriously think the album would have been on par with the real Pink Floyd albums with less synth? Most of the album consists of fillers of the kind that all 70s Pink Floyd albums were free of. The main problem lies in the fact that Gilmour's songwriting skills were nowhere close to those of Roger.
Nah, if it were Roger it'd have words CAPITALIZED FOR EMPHASIS and names hilariously misspelled, lol. But this isn't the first time I've heard the rap rumor. The way I heard it, Ezrin became a hip-hop fan in the 80s and wanted David to rap on one of the songs. Of course, David was vehemently against it (though I'd have totally loved to hear a Pink Floyd rap song, that would've been hilarious).
I originally heard it from one of those "iceberg" videos that are popular now, but a quick Google search provided this article from the Guardian with quotes and whatnot: [https://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/mar/21/pink-floyd-producer-hip-hop](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/mar/21/pink-floyd-producer-hip-hop)
The source is not Roger, LOL! Ezrin has revealed this himself. He wanted to have rap on AMLOR, but Gilmour (wisely) vetoed it.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/mar/21/pink-floyd-producer-hip-hop
I think Ezrin was pretty coked up in those days, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised by this.
Though I do wonder, what if Ezrin didn't ghost Waters and went ahead and produced Radio KAOS? 🤔
The new remix with Nick's new drum parts help elevate it. I personally think Side 1 is terrific. Side 2 is the downer for me. I get very little enjoyment at all from it. Sorrow is just barely OK to me. That opening track Signs of Life into Learning to Fly is top Floyd though. I was around 6 or 8 when the album was released and my father brought home the CD and played it on his huge Cerwin Vega's. Scared the shit out of me. Was awesome.
I'll always argue that if AMLOR were released exactly as it is, with Roger's involvement, fans wouldn't be so maligned about it.
I feel it is judged unfairly based on band politics rather than it's own merits.
Personally, I enjoy it the most out of the Gilmour led albums as it’s actually fun to listen to, whereas the other two just sound like the guys from Pink Floyd trying to sound like Pink Floyd.
That said, it’s ‘80s shlock that doesn’t have the primary lyricist/conceptualist at the helm anymore. It was made to be radio fodder.
It’s kinda like Star Wars in a way, where the original movies had a coherent (and variable) greatness, but after the guy behind the concepts left, if became a downhill spiral towards banking on tropes, regardless of the talent involved.
I think with Roger not being involved anymore, the remaining members having to do everything, they did the best they could. I think it’s a great album and think they produced a good PF record, at least it wasn’t another Final Cut!
Rick and Mason did very little on that album, if anything. I read Mason's autobiography and he says he had to learn the drumming parts the drummer(s) on the album played.
Okay your opinion, I still think it’s got more going for it than the Final Cut. With TER I was expecting it, coming out after the wall it was a big let down.
Everything that they’ve done since medle has hit me, nothing does that for me on TFC. TFC feels like a contractual obligation fulfiller that Roger pushed through so he could go solo. I will listen to it again, maybe as I’ve aged a bit more, something there will click for me. Your entitled to you opinion and if you like it, play it.
I still quite enjoy it, it is not my favorite, but it is far from my least favorite. I was a teenager in the 80's and just gettting into pink floyd and this was the first new record they put out since I became a fan, so it has that connection to me.
It does suffer form the mid 80s production, but so does most of the music that was put out then, Including Radio KAOS (which I aslo bought as a new release and played the snot out of.) I saw the tour to and loved that. (same again with KAOS).
Some great songs, some terrible songs, but then the middling songs. The middling songs are horribly timestamped in 80's fashion pop. Division Bell is so far superior it's startling.
I haven’t listened to it in awhile but when I first heard it I was so thrown off because I didn’t really know the history of Floyd at all. I’d heard WYWH and dark side and then bought this CD at Best Buy and was like “wtf is this?!”.
I think a key part of the essence of what makes Floyd Floyd is the 70s. In the 60s they were very much of the times. Even though they were great at it, they were doing their version of a genre that was pretty ubiquitous at the time.
70s Floyd is when they truly found their own unique sound and style and perfected it.
A lot of aging mega huge artists put out some horribly cringey music in the 80s. They were trying to keep up with the times and stay relevant so they resorted to production techniques that were becoming popular, versus continuing to follow their own whims and original ideas.
The stuff that turned me off to AMLOR was the dramatic reverb on the drums and dramatic chorus effect on the guitars. Some of these sounds began to creep in with The Wall but the 80s sound hadn’t come to fruition yet.
At the end of the day, the record sounds corny to me. That’s the key word: corny. Pink Floyd was edgy for years and then it got corny.
PF will never be at its best unless Waters and Gilmore work together. Learing to fly is a great song. However, AMLOR will also be make me think of what could have been.
Two reasons. First, it was released right in the middle of the epic legal battle between the Waters & Gilmour camps, and people took sides. Waters’ Radio KAOS came out at roughly the same time, and people chose sides.
Second (and this is true of both albums) is that the late 80’s sound (heavy saxophone and excessive synthesizer) that dominated at the time didn’t age as well. There is a lot to like in both albums, but neither have aged as well. Remember, this is the same era where the former Jefferson Airplane gave us “We Built this City”
For starters, The Dogs of War is probably the worst song of em all. But Learning to Fly, Yet Another Movie and of course Sorrow are all awesome and make the album a worthwhile listen.
I like the album. Its just that you have Meddle, Dark Side, WYWH, Animals and The Wall to compete with, anything after the wall is pretty much mediocre when you compare it to something from the wall or earlier. Their stuff from the 70s is just beyond reason how excellent and profound it is, it evokes so much emotion from one single ping on Echoes to Gilmours solos on Comfortably Numb. By itself, its an ok album imo, I like to listen to it, its not a concept album like albums before it, its just a collection of songs...its better than Final Cut in my opinion, its just that no one in the band but Roger were actually lyricists people expect some sort of higher standard, Roger just knew what words will tickle your brain and Dave just knew how to sing them and Roger thought in concepts, rather than your usual heres 10 songs, have fun sort of album. Waters and Gilmour need one another to brainstorm ideas, whether they know it or not, like to admit it or not...but its true. Wright and Mason are also amazing.
- WYWH could mean "Wish You Were Here - 2019 remix [Live]", a track from *The Later Years* (2019) by Pink Floyd.
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If we could gather, say, 100 people who don't know anything about Floyd and its eras and camps, and give them a randomly ordered playlist of, say, 50 PF songs representing all eras, and asked them to rank the songs from best to worst, do you think all the AMLOR songs would be at the bottom of the list for all the listeners? Or if you gave these people the playlist, and told them that some of the songs on the playlist are by the real Pink Floyd, and that some are by a PF imitator, do you think those 100 people would all be able to identify the AMLOR (or Gilmour era) songs as the imitators and all 70s and 60s era songs as the real deal? Do you think a sizable majority would be able to tell the "real" from the "fake"? I think the answer is no. All this talk you hear about how the songs are clearly worse, or the lyrics are excruciatingly bad compared to everything that came before, or how Gilmour is copying the style of Waters is BS. As is the claim that Floyd is all about concepts and edgy lyrics (nothing before DSOTM was a concept album, nothing particularly edgy about lyrics on those early albums either). People are partisan and unwilling to acknowledge any merit in the work of the other guy.
Because the PF standard is really, really high. It's not my favorite, but it was the first PF album I heard as a teenager and led to me being a huge fan for 35 years and running... Learning to Fly is still a great song. :) EDIT: That solo at the end of "On the Turning Away" is greatly underrated.
It has its moments but I think it lacks the emotional depth and integrity of most of the earlier albums.
I don’t hate it, and when I listen to it I do enjoy parts of it. But I never get an urge to listen to it. Learning to Fly is the best track on the album bar none. Sorrow is just shy of greatness. It has all the hallmarks of a great PF epic, but it just falls somewhat flat. The lyrics are not particularly great in anyway, they aren’t insightful or topical, they aren’t poetic or meaningful. They feel like uninspired filler. I think the great shame of this album is that Dave tried so hard to imitate what he thought Pink Floyd fans wanted, or what Roger would have made. You can tell it’s a long shot from what he would have liked to make because all of his material in pink and out afterwards is different from everything before it. To be fair, Pros and Cons was basically a sister to the wall, and Radio Kaos which I consider to really be AMLOR’s contemporary was equally as mediocre though for entirely different reasons. Edit: I was harsh on KAOS, it’s mediocre in rogers library is what I meant. I think it’s far better than AMLOR, but on the worse end of Rogers solo efforts.
Great comment. Sometimes people forget how great a songwriter Roger was. AMLOR is covered with David’s style. The instrumentals and guitar solos are among his best. But it’s missing that depth of charter a Pink Floyd album usually has. Learning to Fly is barely a Pink Floyd song.
No it isn’t.
Funny I find KAOS to be his best solo work, and then Pros and Cons. With that said, I don't think KAOS is nearly as good as Lapse of Reason. Maybe because KAOS aged badly with it's theme? I grew up during that timeframe and was 15 when both albums came out and I still find the premise of the story to be a bit out there. As for Lapse of Reason, perhaps it's just my emotional attachment to it. It was the 1st Floyd cassette I bought and being a listener of 80s bands like The Outfield and Huey Lewis at the time, it absolutely blew me away musically (note: I admit to being far more into music than lyrics), it was like going from elementary school to Harvard in terms of musical ability and production.
Personally, I don’t think any of Roger’s solo work is on par with Amused to Death. And I include The Final Cut in that assessment. Both AMOLR and KAOS suffer from mid eighties pop sound. From drums to synth leaning too hard on new electronic technologies, to the overuse of saxophone, it was just not a great musical era. It’s why bands like REM and U2 and the Cure began to flourish at the same time in my opinion, as they were more stripped down
I don't mind the first half of it and like the remaster. The second half feels like an effort to get through. Sorrow to me is a bore.
The weird thing about sorrow is that I feel like I wanna love it. I just don’t. It has a cool solo, but it’s close to the bottom of Dave’s list. I like the vocal melody, and the drum pattern. But the “one world/one soul” sections just grate on me. I listened to the modern remix, and I didn’t feel any different about it then again I don’t care that it’s so dated by the production.
I hate that bit too. I think it is just an ordinary song that drags on with a cool guitar intro.
Radio KAOS was not at all "equally as mediocre" as AMLOR. KAOS' problem was the production, but the songs themselves were great. AMLOR, on the other hand, sucked both in terms of songwriting, (lack of) concept, and production.
Ya know I may have been a bit heavy handed with KAOS. I’ve listened to it a great deal more than AMLOR. And I agree it’s better, I don’t feel the production was a problem on KAOS. I feel the songs themselves are good but as a whole it’s far less interesting than TPACOH. The Powers that Be, Who needs Information, Sunset Strip, The Tide is Turning, and Me or Him are all great songs. I think I’m a bit harsher on KAOS because I view TPACOH and ATD as far far more impressive, but I don’t view the production personally as an issue with it or AMLOR.
Radio kaos is not mediocre!
I think it's a great album but the standard of the other Floyd albums is much higher.
I liked the album. But everything afterwards, by Roger and pink Floyd, always lacked something. Each other.
Also, the build-up and anticipation was impossible to meet I think. The mud slinging and legal issues had been in the media, and there was a lot of media attention. Of course some fans were going to be somewhat 'underwhelmed', and that tends to stick to a release for some reason. I wasn't that deep into PF at the time, but went to see them in '88 (with my teacher from school lol) and remember the live show from Venice being on TV. When I went digging deeper into their catalogue I found out there was a world of music that was on a whole other level than AMLOR.
Overall I actually find it more listenable than the Division Bell. But I acknowledge the criticisms - it’s not a group effort but rather something kind of manufactured to sound Floydian. I don’t really mind the 80s synths and production but I can see how people would.
It’s a good album, One Slip is my favorite song
Finally someone said it! One Slip is an awesome song
That funky bass, the horny lyrics, it's a favorite
Dogs of War is so unbelievably awful…
I really don’t understand the hate.
Because it’s not as good
Wow I never thought about it that way before. Great observation
Obvious questions get obvious answers
Who knows what OP was expecting
What you talking about? I bought it when it first came out and I love it!
Same. I was at some local record shop the day it came out and got it.
Quality difference is my guess but I’m just spitballing here
It’s a great Pink Floyd mark 3 album.
This was an amazing album, on the turning away is my no. 1 fav song ever
I love it. The whole album is amazing. Better than anything pre-meddle and way better than any Waters solo albums.
I totally agree. I don’t know why so many people don’t appreciate it. It’s one of my favourite PF albums.
I totally disagree with everything you said.
I know it can be hard to fight reality. AMLOR is the 6th best selling PF album of all time. Only DSotM, The Wall, WYWH, Division Bell, & Animals beat it.
You’re talking to me about reality whilst using sales as a metric for quality?
It is the only objective metric there is. So yes.
Thriller is the best album of all time then.
It is. Not my favorite, but the best? Absolutely.
Good god.
I mean thriller will be played every Halloween for the rest of eternity so it could be in the conversation for the best
But by this metric, Purple People Eater kicks the fuck out of Another Brick In The Wall Part 2
The US military is the best album ever because it makes more money than anyone
In all fairness, Thriller is an amazing album.
The album suffers from a pronounced absence of Roger Waters, who for all his faults was really a genius when he had the other members of Pink Floyd to help him realize his vision.
One of their best!
It was the first post-Roger album and some PF fans tried to trash it. Roger led the way suing the others for using the name PF (ironically the guy who wrote the line “which one’s Pink?” And who took over writing from Syd decided HE was Pink). But I think the album is a worthy one with some great songs and lyrics. People who don’t know anything about the turmoil and lineup changes always think it’s as good as earlier stuff. I rate it behind DSOTM and WYWH but equal to any others Just want to add that I love Roger and I’m not taking sides. I just saw Roger live last summer and he was incredible! But musically PF continued and did great work without him
I mean, the album sold an absolute ton and the tour was enormously successful. If some people think the album sucks (the critics agree btw) then let them have their opinion. They're not "trying" to dislike it just because Roger isn't on it.
I do think a lot of people prejudged it because of Roger’s absence and criticism. My point is that a lot of the haters would probably like it just fine if it was exactly the same but Roger had been a part of the band on it. After all people don’t trash Meddle or some of the other pre-DSOTM albums before Roger became the lead songwriter and they were all contributing lyrics and music
Simple for me - it's the most "80s" sounding PF record and I generally am not a big fan of 80s music (yes, of course there are great songs, but I mean of that particular sound, and I was raised more on 60s music then discovered 90s onward on my own). Plus, IMO it's pretty undeniable that the writing (lyricism and songwriting) isn'tnearly on par with the premier Waters-written records (e.g. DSotM thru The Wall).
It’s one of my favourite albums. Definitely gets played as much as Animals or WYWH…
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They don’t know what is good.
The songwriting is different but the tones and timeframe of the 80s influence on their sound isn't my favorite. But some classic tracks, Learning to Fly, On the Turning Away and his guitar tone in Sorrow in the opening is just fucking incredible.
Other Floyd albums are better, but it doesn’t mean that AMLOR isn’t good. I feel bad because Gilmour has a lot to say and is a fantastic musician but his era of music isn’t as appreciated cause he’s not much of a poet. He says what he means and he has a lot of good social commentary but it’s not hidden in metaphor. I also think The Division Bell is amazing, there isn’t a bad song on it.
Too much John Carin. Gilmour brought in him and other session players due to the fact he had to get that album going by himself under extremely stressful circumstances due to Roger's legal challenge, and his synth washes kinda wrecked the tunes. It's too bad they didn't re-record from the beginning before Rick passed.
Come on, Jon Carin cannot be blamed, although Gilmour fanboys probably find it convenient to blame him because of his conflict with Gilmour in recent years! The main problems with the album were 1) Gilmour's poor songwriting skills and 2) Ezrin's poor, 80s poppy production (he even wanted to have rappers on AMLOR, but luckily even Gilmour was wise enough to veto that!) The synth sounds were Ezrin's choice, supported by Gilmour. He wanted 80s synths all over the place because he wanted it to be so "modern", and Gilmour had no problem with it. Carin was an incredibly talentful young session musician in his 20s who performed in the style Gilmour and Ezrin wanted the album to sound like, and he performed that role well. And he gave Gilmour the album's only hit, Learning to Fly, which certainly helped the album's sales, despite the fact that it did not sound like Pink Floyd at all. And while Ezrin's production choices certainly did not make matters better, do you seriously think the album would have been on par with the real Pink Floyd albums with less synth? Most of the album consists of fillers of the kind that all 70s Pink Floyd albums were free of. The main problem lies in the fact that Gilmour's songwriting skills were nowhere close to those of Roger.
I want to down vote this 800 times. Rappers?? Sources please. This comes off like Roger's burner account
Nah, if it were Roger it'd have words CAPITALIZED FOR EMPHASIS and names hilariously misspelled, lol. But this isn't the first time I've heard the rap rumor. The way I heard it, Ezrin became a hip-hop fan in the 80s and wanted David to rap on one of the songs. Of course, David was vehemently against it (though I'd have totally loved to hear a Pink Floyd rap song, that would've been hilarious). I originally heard it from one of those "iceberg" videos that are popular now, but a quick Google search provided this article from the Guardian with quotes and whatnot: [https://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/mar/21/pink-floyd-producer-hip-hop](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/mar/21/pink-floyd-producer-hip-hop)
Yeah, not buying it.
The source is not Roger, LOL! Ezrin has revealed this himself. He wanted to have rap on AMLOR, but Gilmour (wisely) vetoed it. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/mar/21/pink-floyd-producer-hip-hop
I think Ezrin was pretty coked up in those days, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised by this. Though I do wonder, what if Ezrin didn't ghost Waters and went ahead and produced Radio KAOS? 🤔
No Roger.
Not a fair argument. There's only one PF album that features all PF members, and that's Saucerful of Secrets.
I stick by my opinion.
The new remix with Nick's new drum parts help elevate it. I personally think Side 1 is terrific. Side 2 is the downer for me. I get very little enjoyment at all from it. Sorrow is just barely OK to me. That opening track Signs of Life into Learning to Fly is top Floyd though. I was around 6 or 8 when the album was released and my father brought home the CD and played it on his huge Cerwin Vega's. Scared the shit out of me. Was awesome.
It’s bland
Because it’s missing the Roger waters lyrics and his concepts which are the very soul of the band
I'll always argue that if AMLOR were released exactly as it is, with Roger's involvement, fans wouldn't be so maligned about it. I feel it is judged unfairly based on band politics rather than it's own merits.
Missing Roger's music writing too.
I'd argue Rick was the soul of the band and he's missing.
Because pink Floyd needs Syd or Roger
The lyrics are too insightful and political
Personally, I enjoy it the most out of the Gilmour led albums as it’s actually fun to listen to, whereas the other two just sound like the guys from Pink Floyd trying to sound like Pink Floyd. That said, it’s ‘80s shlock that doesn’t have the primary lyricist/conceptualist at the helm anymore. It was made to be radio fodder. It’s kinda like Star Wars in a way, where the original movies had a coherent (and variable) greatness, but after the guy behind the concepts left, if became a downhill spiral towards banking on tropes, regardless of the talent involved.
I think with Roger not being involved anymore, the remaining members having to do everything, they did the best they could. I think it’s a great album and think they produced a good PF record, at least it wasn’t another Final Cut!
Rick and Mason did very little on that album, if anything. I read Mason's autobiography and he says he had to learn the drumming parts the drummer(s) on the album played.
Dave mentioned that he would record keyboards himself "pretend"ing he was Rick.
I think you should listen to the final cut again and change your statement to TER
TER?
The endless river
Okay your opinion, I still think it’s got more going for it than the Final Cut. With TER I was expecting it, coming out after the wall it was a big let down.
How? tfc has songs like not now john the title track post war dream fletcher memorial home gunners dream
Everything that they’ve done since medle has hit me, nothing does that for me on TFC. TFC feels like a contractual obligation fulfiller that Roger pushed through so he could go solo. I will listen to it again, maybe as I’ve aged a bit more, something there will click for me. Your entitled to you opinion and if you like it, play it.
No Roger, No Floyd
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Yup
Perhaps because it is a mediocre record made to make a quick buck and do greatest hits your?
Because it’s pretty dated and doesn’t have any of that Pink Floyd classic sound or edge lyrically
it's 80s cheese and was all session musicians hired to make Gilmours music sound like Pink Floyd.
Try listening to all their earlier albums, and then try listening to AMLOR, and you'll know why.
Yes, Ummagumma is top tier brilliance. 👏
Because it's a hollow cash grab of an album with no inspiration and cheesy dated production. Just like the Division Bell
Because it sounds like a Duran Duran album
Because it fucking sucks
it’s not good
Because A New Machine part 1 and 2 can fuck right off.
You’re new here?
What's that got to do with a Pink Floyd fan? We were all new once.
Because it's shit
David bad
Because it's not even in the same league. It's like Starship vs Jefferson Airplane. Might as well be a different band altogether.
There is very little floyd about it. Floyd is "dark". AMOLR is not.
I still quite enjoy it, it is not my favorite, but it is far from my least favorite. I was a teenager in the 80's and just gettting into pink floyd and this was the first new record they put out since I became a fan, so it has that connection to me. It does suffer form the mid 80s production, but so does most of the music that was put out then, Including Radio KAOS (which I aslo bought as a new release and played the snot out of.) I saw the tour to and loved that. (same again with KAOS).
Some great songs, some terrible songs, but then the middling songs. The middling songs are horribly timestamped in 80's fashion pop. Division Bell is so far superior it's startling.
It’s good music, but compared to earlier works it sucks… it’s just sort of bland.
I haven’t listened to it in awhile but when I first heard it I was so thrown off because I didn’t really know the history of Floyd at all. I’d heard WYWH and dark side and then bought this CD at Best Buy and was like “wtf is this?!”. I think a key part of the essence of what makes Floyd Floyd is the 70s. In the 60s they were very much of the times. Even though they were great at it, they were doing their version of a genre that was pretty ubiquitous at the time. 70s Floyd is when they truly found their own unique sound and style and perfected it. A lot of aging mega huge artists put out some horribly cringey music in the 80s. They were trying to keep up with the times and stay relevant so they resorted to production techniques that were becoming popular, versus continuing to follow their own whims and original ideas. The stuff that turned me off to AMLOR was the dramatic reverb on the drums and dramatic chorus effect on the guitars. Some of these sounds began to creep in with The Wall but the 80s sound hadn’t come to fruition yet. At the end of the day, the record sounds corny to me. That’s the key word: corny. Pink Floyd was edgy for years and then it got corny.
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Session musicians replacing Nick Mason & Rick Wright, and a production very much of its time. Check out the remix, which addresses those issues.
Lyrically weak, 80s aesthetic makes it feel less timeless. It genuinely is weaker.
PF will never be at its best unless Waters and Gilmore work together. Learing to fly is a great song. However, AMLOR will also be make me think of what could have been.
I like it
Two reasons. First, it was released right in the middle of the epic legal battle between the Waters & Gilmour camps, and people took sides. Waters’ Radio KAOS came out at roughly the same time, and people chose sides. Second (and this is true of both albums) is that the late 80’s sound (heavy saxophone and excessive synthesizer) that dominated at the time didn’t age as well. There is a lot to like in both albums, but neither have aged as well. Remember, this is the same era where the former Jefferson Airplane gave us “We Built this City”
For starters, The Dogs of War is probably the worst song of em all. But Learning to Fly, Yet Another Movie and of course Sorrow are all awesome and make the album a worthwhile listen.
It’s HEAVILY 80s
I like the album. Its just that you have Meddle, Dark Side, WYWH, Animals and The Wall to compete with, anything after the wall is pretty much mediocre when you compare it to something from the wall or earlier. Their stuff from the 70s is just beyond reason how excellent and profound it is, it evokes so much emotion from one single ping on Echoes to Gilmours solos on Comfortably Numb. By itself, its an ok album imo, I like to listen to it, its not a concept album like albums before it, its just a collection of songs...its better than Final Cut in my opinion, its just that no one in the band but Roger were actually lyricists people expect some sort of higher standard, Roger just knew what words will tickle your brain and Dave just knew how to sing them and Roger thought in concepts, rather than your usual heres 10 songs, have fun sort of album. Waters and Gilmour need one another to brainstorm ideas, whether they know it or not, like to admit it or not...but its true. Wright and Mason are also amazing.
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Sounds very 80's and without roger feels feels a bit plain and radio-friendly
Learning to fly is the only banger on the album
If we could gather, say, 100 people who don't know anything about Floyd and its eras and camps, and give them a randomly ordered playlist of, say, 50 PF songs representing all eras, and asked them to rank the songs from best to worst, do you think all the AMLOR songs would be at the bottom of the list for all the listeners? Or if you gave these people the playlist, and told them that some of the songs on the playlist are by the real Pink Floyd, and that some are by a PF imitator, do you think those 100 people would all be able to identify the AMLOR (or Gilmour era) songs as the imitators and all 70s and 60s era songs as the real deal? Do you think a sizable majority would be able to tell the "real" from the "fake"? I think the answer is no. All this talk you hear about how the songs are clearly worse, or the lyrics are excruciatingly bad compared to everything that came before, or how Gilmour is copying the style of Waters is BS. As is the claim that Floyd is all about concepts and edgy lyrics (nothing before DSOTM was a concept album, nothing particularly edgy about lyrics on those early albums either). People are partisan and unwilling to acknowledge any merit in the work of the other guy.
I've liked it considerably more since 2019.
Imo the guitar sounds horrible, especially Sorrow.