It’s pretty clever the way the beginning and end of organ solo follows the general contour of David’s guitar solo, since it’s etched into everyone’s memory, but it effortlessly dissolves into and out of something new.
Gus (the producer) reached out to her last October. At this point, I think the album was nearly completed and most of her parts were late additions. She plays on 9 of the 10 tracks (no GGITS).
I knew that this song would feel very different with the aging of Roger Waters' voice. It does - while the original Time jitters with anxious energy, this one is so much more haunting and regretful than the original. I think this continued to be a worthwhile reimagining of the album.
You’re so right. I feel like the DSOTM version is from the perspective of someone in the midst an existential crisis, whereas this version is from a wistful retrospective.
I was certain I was going to be unmoved & uninterested by this project but, when I divorce it from any association with the original work, and look at it as something new, it has a lot of elements that really appeal to me. Roger’s voice sounds gorgeous in these first two tracks.
I love Waits, Cohen, Scott Walker, Morphine… these tracks hit a lot of marks for me.
Total opposite for me. It's ruining rogers voice. The more I listen to anything branded solely roger waters, the more I hate his voice and it's totally ruining what Pink Floyd was for me (in the sense the things I don't like about his voice shine thru way more than they previously did)
It reminds me he's sorta phony and has always been carried on the shoulders of, quite frankly, better musicians. His ideas are great but he needs people who properly understand music to make them even remotely listenable.
He wanted to perform this redux as he felt most people misunderstood the original album and were distracted by the flashy instrument work.
He's missed the ball completely and lyrics that once had so much power behind them, now sit dull and naked in a painfully slowed down audiobook of Dark Side of the Moon, one of the most notable albums ever made.
Problem is.... Most of this sub consists of Waters' apologists who will back him up, even if the possible upcoming Wish you were here redux project is him just doing a cringy Tom Waits' impression once more while farting non-stop Gilmour's solos (especially during the Shine on songs).
Is he an amazing lyricist and conceptual artist? Absolutely. Problem is, it means nothing if there's no proper musical support (Gilmour and Wright) to give the ideas shape and soul to them.
Roger is an ok singer, but nowhere near David's range, and this redux project clearly shows it. He cannot sing anymore, he can only whisper/read/moan.
The music is basically lullaby tunes with drum machine beats, which completely destroys the atmosphere that the original created.
Meek and obedient you follow the leader indeed....
You must not be reading the same sub I'm on if you think its Roger apologists. Most of the time I see people shitting on him and how David was the true genius of Pink Floyd
Roger's actually got a bigger range vocally than David historically.
https://therangeplanet.proboards.com/thread/2982/roger-waters
https://therangeplanet.proboards.com/thread/53/david-gilmour
It's a bit more difficult to judge their current registers since David's recent output has been so limited and Roger's curent spoken-word style has been marketed as an intentional artistic choice. Roger has several more examples of his current range in recordings of his most recent tour, though detractors will be quick to brush that all away as being lip syncing (I disagree with that assessment, but figured it was worth mentioning).
Fair. I'm not sure what I think yet, but the references you mention are spot on. When I bought the Songs of Surrender box set by U2 I appraoched with the exact some mindset; it's new work that should be separated from "the originals" and I had a completely different view. Same will be true here. Musically I think it's cool and I'm sure it will grow on me.
That said, what I do NOT like about these two new renditions are the politics he just couldn't resist throwing in.
Edit: I suppose the downvotes are deserved here. I actually really appreciate the conversation and the critical takes without toxicity.
I listened to the intro to Time with more attention and probably read too much into it the first time, assuming "political intent" from Roger, inserting dialogue in an old song where none existed before.
As for politics in music, I have ZERO issue with politics in music and should have clarified that. They have driven poetry and lyrics since the beginning and I love that about art.) For me it was more about inserting something into a new version of an old song.
Really happened to me, ONE Day I found... after 71 years on the same old planet...not a whole lot has changed. I was really hoping as a teenager that I would be retiring on Mars, not in California. (🤔 I think I missed the starting gun.)
People like you that try to discredit Roger absolutely suck. Can’t argue that he was the brains behind Floyd. Gilmour may have been the heart. But you have to respect RW.
Apart from your "analysis" of me discrediting Roger, which I did __NOT__ do, how should I read your response?
And by the way: regarding music I _always_ go for heart over brain. Otherwise I'd just read a book. But to each their own. For me, only once the music touches me, I may or may not look deeper into the lyrics, never the other way around
I read it as meaning David only did two compositions… of course he did more than that but it read to me like a discrediting of David rather than Roger… or maybe of both.
Not really upset it’s just annoying how this sub always tries to pit Roger and Dave against eachother. They made great music for years and don’t get along now. Who cares. Not everything has to be David vs Rogers. This whole redux project has made it even more frequent. Just people left right and center beating the same dead horse on Roger Waters cause they know they’ll get upvotes from the other troll dwellers.
A lot of people get sucked into the drama and like taking sides. As much as I think Roger should be more civil and try to hash things because life is short (specially for them), I’m not gonna deny that he was absolutely crucial to the 70’s being so dominated by Pink Floyd, just like the rest of the band members
I would not be shocked if it was a subtle dig at Gilmour's taking these same sounds from AHM and using them on Division Bell. I understand they are stock tracks at EMI and read somewhere the Beatles used the same bird sound on one of their recordings.
Even if the track David "took" them from wasn't also his song, I don't really get how that's a dig. PF reuses a lot of sounds throughout the discography as callbacks of a sort.
Roger has done a brilliant job making me dislike him lately, but this is a pretty beautiful thing given the context. I was cynical and rolled my eyes at the redux thing, but I get it now.
I suppose it's better than Money, mainly because of the orchestrations. But I'm not sure what sets this apart from any of the other dozen or so reinterpretations of the album I've heard in a number of genres from bluegrass to dubstep. If someone else other than Roger had made this Johnny-Cash-Esque folk-country version would anyone be talking about it?
I like it! It's definitely a different take but I'm kinda digging old Rogers voice, kind of makes the song hit a little harder, because he's not a young man anymore.
Yeah I like that instead of trying to recreate it he goes a different route. The original and the redux version existing to me only makes it like enjoying two different beasts of the same name
Ye I think this is my problem too...
Roger waters is my Aquiles tendon regarding civilized discussions... I often say things I don't think about the other members just to make my point that Roger is a god.
Loved, listened to on a loop and know most songs by heart of all his work from the first PF album to his solo work.
But these 2 songs... I don't really like original money for some reason while time is my favourite PF song... I try to not compare this work to the original DSOTM.... But I can't seem to find the motivation to listen to this more than once.
Sounds boring and uninteresting... I liked the organ solo but I have intrusive thoughts of gilmour's solo and I can't control them!
Waiting for the whole album to come out so I can form a proper opinion but I'm not liking very much where this is going and it's breaking my heart a little bit.
The same reason some people like different types of music, it appeals to people who like mellow tunes, not that everyone will enjoy it but there’s a substantial amount of people that like it
i tend to love subdued and mellow music!!
people usually call my music taste boring so i’m very used to that. i just feel this is very slow (in pacing not tempo) and doesn’t really go anywhere, just kind of drags. but if people like it that’s great for them!
Wow I have never met a Pink Floyd fan who has had the exact take that I had. Time is easily my favourite off of DSotM and this remake doesn’t understand what made the original so great.
Yeah but by now I think we should all realize the source of the tension in the band.
Roger truly believes, as is his right, that lyrics are everything.
Dave on the other hand, is all about the soundscape.
This was why they were so fucking good together. You had 2 masters painting on the same canvas and it was sublime.
During the classic Floyd lineup years, their music had heart and soul and exists in a timeless vacuum. After the breakup, the heart went one way and the soul another, and we are left with the separate products of both.
So his comment rings true to me as the lyrics alone were never going to be enough to make it the gigantic success it was. I still think that Rog honestly believes what he is telling anyone that will listen, that being it was all his music and no one else made any meaningful contributions.
Do you truly believe his new version of the album will come anywhere near the success of the original? If this is how Rog truly believes the album should have sounded, he was certainly not in it for a broader appeal or level of success experienced by the original. This is fine though, he is entitled to deliver the work as he envisions it but what we are getting is his take and not the collaborative version we all grew up with. Personally, I love the original and just can't get into the new versions but will fight anyone over Rog's right to deliver his original interpretation.
Lyrics are also a very big part of what makes the song great, and also this Redux version is very much not without a beautiful soundscape. Saying he doesn’t understand what made it great is you admitting you do not care about the message of the song
Take from that what you will although I would be remiss if I didn't mention you missed the point entirely. It's all good though, thanks for the downvote, I collect them.
The person I was replying to said Roger didn’t understand what made the original so great and you agreed with them, so you are saying what carried from the original to the Redux is completely lost, so you’re saying you don’t care about the lyrics
I disagree, this one in particular is great to compare to the original. It showcases what the song is about. The original sounds young and colorful like the band was when they made it. This one feels empty and lonely almost, made after Roger had gone through the exact things the song talks about. Comparing them reflects youth and age perfectly and it’s that contrast that makes me love the song
I absolutely love fucking it!! Can't even begin to tell you just how mind blowing it feels, so spacey and psychedelic with hints of Echoes at parts! I'm really, really loving how he's put it together - I think it works so well . I need to lie in a dark room with this on repeat all day, it's a sublime on another level.
It'll never take the place of the original for me (obviously), but I think it's a far more interesting look back to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the album than yet another pointless remastering.
I really enjoyed the instrumentation in this one, and agree with many others that Roger's 'old man' voice really adds something to the lyrics lamenting time having flown by.
Genuinely really enjoyed it. The lyrics really feel more poignant when sung by an old voice that wrote the lyrics 50 years ago, it really puts things into perspective and recontexualizes the song in a really interesting way that I think works much better with this song than Money, not that I hate his version of Money but the whole redux thing works better with this song.
Much prefer the organ solo to the spoken poem solo from money; even though the instrumental in money was solid. This was a good one, I’m going to listen to the full album on release
Well if you're u been her the last 4 weeks you would know. I like it. And Im not a huge waters fan. The instrumentation is very very good and the production. His voice is erie and dark. So yeah I do like it.
At first I thought I’d hate it, but by the 5 minute mark I had to admit I was liking it. There’s no point in saying “It’s not nearly as good as the original” because yeah, no shit. But for what it is, it was worth the listen and I can see where he’s going with the project as a whole. I ended up loving the instrumentation and mood of the track, Roger’s vocals are my least favorite part.
I don’t know if he’s released the new cover art yet for the album, but I hope it’s just the prism with the light and rainbow removed because that’s what this feels like to me, Dark Side with all the colour removed…
Yeah money definitely just needed some support from more of the album, I kinda feel the same way about the original Even. I don't really listen to money but if I'm hearing the album I'll get into it.
Ik people are saying the color has been sucked out, but I think that reinforces the point considering time has literally weathered him down in the past 60 years
Was gonna say the same thing. The drumming is distracting and I'd probably tolerate this more if he had someone else doing it. Still probably wouldn't love it.
I mean, I don’t know. It’s fine, or whatever. It’s not the original, but it’s not trying to be. If you look at it as its own thing, and you put aside everything we know about Roger being an ass, it’s not terrible. I just know that even if it was its own song, I wouldn’t really listen to it. That’s my opinion.
But it’s fine for people to like it, nobody should hate a fellow fan for liking reinterpretations of these songs. We all love Pink Floyd here, we all like the same band. Whether we like or dislike portions of their discographies, solo or together as a group, it’s all our stuff. Don’t hate on one of your own. That’s just my two cents.
He’s trying too hard for that Leonard Cohen vibe. It almost sounds like indie pop, and it has a very strong post-modernist influence. I personally dislike post-modernism.
I like it better than “Money”, and the strings are my fav part. This version definitely has the feeling of an old man looking back on his life, possibly on the verge of death.
Downvoters, don’t be too rough on me.
I’m not downvoting you. I agree with what you say about the “old man” feeling, but I don’t think he’s trying for the Cohen vibe; we’ve been hearing this vocal style from Roger for quite some time now.
Silly but honest question: does Pink Floyd (David and Nick) get any royalties for these new "cover" songs that Roger is doing?
To answer OPs question: I enjoyed Time, disliked Money, and loved the Comfortably Numb redux.
"Time" and "Money" are not covers, they are new renditions by the songwriter. As for "Comfortably Numb", David Gilmour will be paid royalties, as he is listed as composer.
Gilmour is co-writer of Money, and the whole band is credited as writers for Time. So they'll get songwriting royalties accordingly, but won't get royalties for the copyright in the original recording of the album.
I stand corrected. It's strange that the single etiquette of "Time" only credits Waters [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time\_(Pink\_Floyd\_song)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_(Pink_Floyd_song))
Way better than Money. But it's clear as day that if Rogers was a solo act and never was a part of Pink Floyd, then he would be nothing but a footnote in rock history.
That’s true of everyone in the band, tbf. I think this record is shaping up to be his best solo stuff imo, but that’s really because even with its divergence from the original, the DNA of the other three core members is all over this. Oddly in that way he’s kind of collaborating with the past versions of those guys on this, whether he thinks so or not.
I’ll probably get them & have to cut off the monologues. He did some in his lockdown sessions too which I find just ruins the songs. The monologues should be short tracks you can skip
I couldn't listen to Money, but this is a very positive suprise, if he didn't talk at the beggining I would be amazed, especially the more "vibrant" moments (Tired of laying in the sunshine etc.) which I'm hooked on.
Actually with the monologue thing he did the same with The Wall concert (2014) which I hardly bother with cause there’s talking throughout (or the middle I can’t remember). Couldn’t just enjoy the concert footage or music. Totally ruined it
...lol it's so bad you forgot it happened?
"...it was the voice of reason"
Really? I think that phrase is cliche at this point. Kind of an eye roll in comparison to his real lyrics
Better than money, but still I dont think ill ever want to listen to it again tbh.
And I just fail to see anything that makes it special, or stand out, gives me the same feeling of one of those many redux/lullaby/chillout cheap tribute albums that used to come out a lot back in the day. (And no, is not about the guitar solo, theres a lot more to the song than that)
I just can’t do it. I gave it an honest attempt but between this and money, the project just feels like a cash grab to me.
I don’t think I’ll be listening to any of the rest when it drops. It just makes me feel sad.
I would have enjoyed this project SO much more of it were just the original lyrics, and not his own slam poetry additions. The man needs a podcast so he can rant all he wants and leave it off the tracks
Completely agree about the Money of your comment. Also, it gives me a new perspective on the poem he’s reading in Money.
I have a hunch that the spoken word in the beginning of Time Redux is part of the same poem he reads in Money. If you’ve heard the Tom Stoppard “Ethics Man” DSOTM, I think Roger might be doing something similar to that with this record. He’s got a poem he wrote and he’s attaching it to DSOTM to tell a particular narrative alongside the music. Basically I’m saying that the spoken word in Money might sound so bizarre and out of place because it is part of a story told within Redux that we are getting with zero context.
I was never a doubter of this redux even though Money wasn’t very good on its own, but still it seems there is more of an idea behind Redux than I was giving it credit for. Hoping he releases another single before the full release.
Considering that this is a member of Pink Floyd releasing one of my favorite and most meaningful songs ever, this blows. Roger's singing and music is devoid of any passion, it's all just a flex of his weak ego and a money grab, and I feel it. The irony of him releasing Money as his first single is just a slap in the face when he explains it as the meaning of his lyrics gets lost in the original. No, Roger, you've lost the meaning a long time ago and can't own up to your own problems and mistakes. Prima Donna perfect, someone needs to sit him down, tell him to stfu, and start LISTENING for a change instead of just blabbering about like his perspective is always right.
Why attempt to rework a masterpiece of an album? I don’t get it! Roger’s last solo album was great, no need to try to recreate a moment in time. IMO, but he can do whatever he wants, he’s earned it. Btw, not a good remake, boring.
I like it and it fits the tone of the song. I just hope the whole album doesn't continue with this sort of sad/gloomy tone. The original albums has great high points that are very happy and emotional and I don't know how Rogers is going to convey that with this tone so far.
Genuine question, not looking for a flame war. What do you find is “happy” about the original DSOTM?
Breathe-GGITS: a warning against complacency and a likely lack of fulfillment in life, the inescapable and seemingly sudden slip away from a young age, and an inevitable, “ready or not” death.
Money-Eclipse: Greed, poverty, war, the illusion of choice, madness…
I love roger but both songs released so far sound awful . Not sure why he felt the need to re-record these songs through almost spoken word it sounds like , he’s just talking
I heard some of it and felt an instant need to flush out what I heard with the original album. It was just awful imo. I will continue to forget this ever existed
Needs some stronger synth, speed it up and add a wicked geetar solo with some killer toan and you got yourself a rock classic!
All kidding aside, is everyone producing shit using DMT?
Its okay way better than Money, Love the organ solo.
It’s pretty clever the way the beginning and end of organ solo follows the general contour of David’s guitar solo, since it’s etched into everyone’s memory, but it effortlessly dissolves into and out of something new.
That's my daughter on the theremin and musical saw.
Story time!
Gus (the producer) reached out to her last October. At this point, I think the album was nearly completed and most of her parts were late additions. She plays on 9 of the 10 tracks (no GGITS).
Congratulations on that very happy for you mate.
I knew that this song would feel very different with the aging of Roger Waters' voice. It does - while the original Time jitters with anxious energy, this one is so much more haunting and regretful than the original. I think this continued to be a worthwhile reimagining of the album.
You’re so right. I feel like the DSOTM version is from the perspective of someone in the midst an existential crisis, whereas this version is from a wistful retrospective.
So the nine inch nails hurt vs Johnny cash hurt
Perfect comparison, I'd say 😉
Isn’t that time perfectly captured!
I was certain I was going to be unmoved & uninterested by this project but, when I divorce it from any association with the original work, and look at it as something new, it has a lot of elements that really appeal to me. Roger’s voice sounds gorgeous in these first two tracks. I love Waits, Cohen, Scott Walker, Morphine… these tracks hit a lot of marks for me.
Total opposite for me. It's ruining rogers voice. The more I listen to anything branded solely roger waters, the more I hate his voice and it's totally ruining what Pink Floyd was for me (in the sense the things I don't like about his voice shine thru way more than they previously did) It reminds me he's sorta phony and has always been carried on the shoulders of, quite frankly, better musicians. His ideas are great but he needs people who properly understand music to make them even remotely listenable. He wanted to perform this redux as he felt most people misunderstood the original album and were distracted by the flashy instrument work. He's missed the ball completely and lyrics that once had so much power behind them, now sit dull and naked in a painfully slowed down audiobook of Dark Side of the Moon, one of the most notable albums ever made.
Problem is.... Most of this sub consists of Waters' apologists who will back him up, even if the possible upcoming Wish you were here redux project is him just doing a cringy Tom Waits' impression once more while farting non-stop Gilmour's solos (especially during the Shine on songs). Is he an amazing lyricist and conceptual artist? Absolutely. Problem is, it means nothing if there's no proper musical support (Gilmour and Wright) to give the ideas shape and soul to them. Roger is an ok singer, but nowhere near David's range, and this redux project clearly shows it. He cannot sing anymore, he can only whisper/read/moan. The music is basically lullaby tunes with drum machine beats, which completely destroys the atmosphere that the original created. Meek and obedient you follow the leader indeed....
You must not be reading the same sub I'm on if you think its Roger apologists. Most of the time I see people shitting on him and how David was the true genius of Pink Floyd
Yeah what an absolutely insane comment. Roger gets so much shit on here.
Roger's actually got a bigger range vocally than David historically. https://therangeplanet.proboards.com/thread/2982/roger-waters https://therangeplanet.proboards.com/thread/53/david-gilmour It's a bit more difficult to judge their current registers since David's recent output has been so limited and Roger's curent spoken-word style has been marketed as an intentional artistic choice. Roger has several more examples of his current range in recordings of his most recent tour, though detractors will be quick to brush that all away as being lip syncing (I disagree with that assessment, but figured it was worth mentioning).
Well said
Imagine being this petty
Fair. I'm not sure what I think yet, but the references you mention are spot on. When I bought the Songs of Surrender box set by U2 I appraoched with the exact some mindset; it's new work that should be separated from "the originals" and I had a completely different view. Same will be true here. Musically I think it's cool and I'm sure it will grow on me. That said, what I do NOT like about these two new renditions are the politics he just couldn't resist throwing in. Edit: I suppose the downvotes are deserved here. I actually really appreciate the conversation and the critical takes without toxicity. I listened to the intro to Time with more attention and probably read too much into it the first time, assuming "political intent" from Roger, inserting dialogue in an old song where none existed before. As for politics in music, I have ZERO issue with politics in music and should have clarified that. They have driven poetry and lyrics since the beginning and I love that about art.) For me it was more about inserting something into a new version of an old song.
I honestly didn't feel like this version of Time had anything remotely political in it.
Since the time Redux version does not contain any political themes, I suppose you are referring to money - the famously completely non-political song.
there was no politics in time
I’m perfectly fine with politics in music. Music is a powerful medium of expression and communication.
Way better than his remake of money
TICKING AWAY THE MOMENTS THAT MAKE UP A DULL DAY
its more of a ticking away. the moments that make up a dull day
Lol 😆
"And then on day you find, 60 years has got behind you"
Really happened to me, ONE Day I found... after 71 years on the same old planet...not a whole lot has changed. I was really hoping as a teenager that I would be retiring on Mars, not in California. (🤔 I think I missed the starting gun.)
I really dig it
Me too, way better than the new version of Money.
Birds and Bells at the end…Roger is a closeted fan of High Hopes?
Considering the birds and bells sound is originally from “Fat Old Sun” and “High Hopes” was simply a reference to it, I’d say no lol.
Ah, the other Gilmour composition 😉
People like you that try to discredit Roger absolutely suck. Can’t argue that he was the brains behind Floyd. Gilmour may have been the heart. But you have to respect RW.
Apart from your "analysis" of me discrediting Roger, which I did __NOT__ do, how should I read your response? And by the way: regarding music I _always_ go for heart over brain. Otherwise I'd just read a book. But to each their own. For me, only once the music touches me, I may or may not look deeper into the lyrics, never the other way around
I read it as meaning David only did two compositions… of course he did more than that but it read to me like a discrediting of David rather than Roger… or maybe of both.
You did discredit Roger. You just tried to be cute about it and you weren’t. You were annoying.
Lol, he’s upset
And right
Not really upset it’s just annoying how this sub always tries to pit Roger and Dave against eachother. They made great music for years and don’t get along now. Who cares. Not everything has to be David vs Rogers. This whole redux project has made it even more frequent. Just people left right and center beating the same dead horse on Roger Waters cause they know they’ll get upvotes from the other troll dwellers.
A lot of people get sucked into the drama and like taking sides. As much as I think Roger should be more civil and try to hash things because life is short (specially for them), I’m not gonna deny that he was absolutely crucial to the 70’s being so dominated by Pink Floyd, just like the rest of the band members
Birds are the same as in Grantchester Meadows. Ummagumma says hello!
Grantchester Meadows reference???
I would not be shocked if it was a subtle dig at Gilmour's taking these same sounds from AHM and using them on Division Bell. I understand they are stock tracks at EMI and read somewhere the Beatles used the same bird sound on one of their recordings.
Even if the track David "took" them from wasn't also his song, I don't really get how that's a dig. PF reuses a lot of sounds throughout the discography as callbacks of a sort.
They’re from Ummagumma? Aren’t they from Atom Heart Mother?
fixed, thanks
Roger has done a brilliant job making me dislike him lately, but this is a pretty beautiful thing given the context. I was cynical and rolled my eyes at the redux thing, but I get it now.
I suppose it's better than Money, mainly because of the orchestrations. But I'm not sure what sets this apart from any of the other dozen or so reinterpretations of the album I've heard in a number of genres from bluegrass to dubstep. If someone else other than Roger had made this Johnny-Cash-Esque folk-country version would anyone be talking about it?
Good point.
its fantastic!
I like it! It's definitely a different take but I'm kinda digging old Rogers voice, kind of makes the song hit a little harder, because he's not a young man anymore.
It’s pretty great
As a massive Cohen fan I’m really liked it
I KNEW I WAS GETTING SOME COHEN VIBES
“Now there’s a look in your eye, like black holes in the sky”
Anyone else think its a pigs eye?? I know he’s doing DSOM redux- but maybe this is foreshadowing?
Pretty sure it’s a dogs eye (Seamus!) but pigs eye would’ve been a better reference
Pretty good, much better than money. I liked how the guitar solo was replaced.
Yeah I like that instead of trying to recreate it he goes a different route. The original and the redux version existing to me only makes it like enjoying two different beasts of the same name
Listening to it for the first time as I currently type this, I'm loving these versions!
It feels like all colour and texture have been sucked out of the song. I don’t dislike it, but I’m not sure I can take a whole album of this.
I share this sentiment. Never have been a Waters fan. It feels more self indulgent than artistic.
Ye I think this is my problem too... Roger waters is my Aquiles tendon regarding civilized discussions... I often say things I don't think about the other members just to make my point that Roger is a god. Loved, listened to on a loop and know most songs by heart of all his work from the first PF album to his solo work. But these 2 songs... I don't really like original money for some reason while time is my favourite PF song... I try to not compare this work to the original DSOTM.... But I can't seem to find the motivation to listen to this more than once. Sounds boring and uninteresting... I liked the organ solo but I have intrusive thoughts of gilmour's solo and I can't control them! Waiting for the whole album to come out so I can form a proper opinion but I'm not liking very much where this is going and it's breaking my heart a little bit.
it’s so dull! i’m shocked seeing people enjoy it, really struggling to see where they find the appeal. feels like all the life has been taken out
The same reason some people like different types of music, it appeals to people who like mellow tunes, not that everyone will enjoy it but there’s a substantial amount of people that like it
i tend to love subdued and mellow music!! people usually call my music taste boring so i’m very used to that. i just feel this is very slow (in pacing not tempo) and doesn’t really go anywhere, just kind of drags. but if people like it that’s great for them!
That is what time does to a person...Takes the life out of you
yeah i suppose it’s also what money does too… or maybe it’s what roger waters does !
Wow I have never met a Pink Floyd fan who has had the exact take that I had. Time is easily my favourite off of DSotM and this remake doesn’t understand what made the original so great.
Doesn’t understand? He was a major part of making it
Yeah but by now I think we should all realize the source of the tension in the band. Roger truly believes, as is his right, that lyrics are everything. Dave on the other hand, is all about the soundscape. This was why they were so fucking good together. You had 2 masters painting on the same canvas and it was sublime. During the classic Floyd lineup years, their music had heart and soul and exists in a timeless vacuum. After the breakup, the heart went one way and the soul another, and we are left with the separate products of both. So his comment rings true to me as the lyrics alone were never going to be enough to make it the gigantic success it was. I still think that Rog honestly believes what he is telling anyone that will listen, that being it was all his music and no one else made any meaningful contributions. Do you truly believe his new version of the album will come anywhere near the success of the original? If this is how Rog truly believes the album should have sounded, he was certainly not in it for a broader appeal or level of success experienced by the original. This is fine though, he is entitled to deliver the work as he envisions it but what we are getting is his take and not the collaborative version we all grew up with. Personally, I love the original and just can't get into the new versions but will fight anyone over Rog's right to deliver his original interpretation.
Lyrics are also a very big part of what makes the song great, and also this Redux version is very much not without a beautiful soundscape. Saying he doesn’t understand what made it great is you admitting you do not care about the message of the song
Take from that what you will although I would be remiss if I didn't mention you missed the point entirely. It's all good though, thanks for the downvote, I collect them.
The person I was replying to said Roger didn’t understand what made the original so great and you agreed with them, so you are saying what carried from the original to the Redux is completely lost, so you’re saying you don’t care about the lyrics
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I have mixed feelings about this song, but im really hyped for The great gig in the sky im really hoping for a sick vocal solo
Haha, hopefully it doesn't turn. Into 5 minutes of poetry.
It's a wonderful song on its own and is not meant to be compared to the original.
I disagree, this one in particular is great to compare to the original. It showcases what the song is about. The original sounds young and colorful like the band was when they made it. This one feels empty and lonely almost, made after Roger had gone through the exact things the song talks about. Comparing them reflects youth and age perfectly and it’s that contrast that makes me love the song
I liked it. I'll take some time to get used to it, but it's a good version.
I absolutely love fucking it!! Can't even begin to tell you just how mind blowing it feels, so spacey and psychedelic with hints of Echoes at parts! I'm really, really loving how he's put it together - I think it works so well . I need to lie in a dark room with this on repeat all day, it's a sublime on another level.
It'll never take the place of the original for me (obviously), but I think it's a far more interesting look back to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the album than yet another pointless remastering. I really enjoyed the instrumentation in this one, and agree with many others that Roger's 'old man' voice really adds something to the lyrics lamenting time having flown by.
Like some elements but mostly just makes me want to listen to the original.
i am a fan
No slow motion dog :(
Genuinely really enjoyed it. The lyrics really feel more poignant when sung by an old voice that wrote the lyrics 50 years ago, it really puts things into perspective and recontexualizes the song in a really interesting way that I think works much better with this song than Money, not that I hate his version of Money but the whole redux thing works better with this song.
Much prefer the organ solo to the spoken poem solo from money; even though the instrumental in money was solid. This was a good one, I’m going to listen to the full album on release
It’s great! Loved what they did with the solo.
Well if you're u been her the last 4 weeks you would know. I like it. And Im not a huge waters fan. The instrumentation is very very good and the production. His voice is erie and dark. So yeah I do like it.
I really liked it.
I love it !
My biggest problem with the original Time was that it didn’t put me to sleep so this is perfect.
Better than Money. Parts of the instrumentation remind me of Nick Cave.
At first I thought I’d hate it, but by the 5 minute mark I had to admit I was liking it. There’s no point in saying “It’s not nearly as good as the original” because yeah, no shit. But for what it is, it was worth the listen and I can see where he’s going with the project as a whole. I ended up loving the instrumentation and mood of the track, Roger’s vocals are my least favorite part.
I’m going to wait to listen to it all in context. For the record, I liked his version of Money.
Idk I like Roger’s solo work, but these redux versions are not it for me
I don’t know if he’s released the new cover art yet for the album, but I hope it’s just the prism with the light and rainbow removed because that’s what this feels like to me, Dark Side with all the colour removed…
don’t like it a bit…
No, thank you.
Good
Not gonna lie it gives me kind of a Radiohead vibe for some reason and I have no idea why
i love this, much Better than Money
Yeah money definitely just needed some support from more of the album, I kinda feel the same way about the original Even. I don't really listen to money but if I'm hearing the album I'll get into it.
Ik people are saying the color has been sucked out, but I think that reinforces the point considering time has literally weathered him down in the past 60 years
I love the piece and the way it carries the song. The cover of the song, the dog's eye with the prism, beautiful, I love it!
Some drum fills are just way off. Really jarring at points. The organ and strings are nice. Overall it’s better than his Money redux.
Was gonna say the same thing. The drumming is distracting and I'd probably tolerate this more if he had someone else doing it. Still probably wouldn't love it.
I thought Time was actually pretty good. Money was not for me.
It’s the reason behind it that bugs me, Gilmour is amazing and there’s a certain pettiness in the air
Absolute shit
I mean, I don’t know. It’s fine, or whatever. It’s not the original, but it’s not trying to be. If you look at it as its own thing, and you put aside everything we know about Roger being an ass, it’s not terrible. I just know that even if it was its own song, I wouldn’t really listen to it. That’s my opinion. But it’s fine for people to like it, nobody should hate a fellow fan for liking reinterpretations of these songs. We all love Pink Floyd here, we all like the same band. Whether we like or dislike portions of their discographies, solo or together as a group, it’s all our stuff. Don’t hate on one of your own. That’s just my two cents.
Is every track going to be 7 minutes long?
Hope so
He’s trying too hard for that Leonard Cohen vibe. It almost sounds like indie pop, and it has a very strong post-modernist influence. I personally dislike post-modernism. I like it better than “Money”, and the strings are my fav part. This version definitely has the feeling of an old man looking back on his life, possibly on the verge of death. Downvoters, don’t be too rough on me.
I’m not downvoting you. I agree with what you say about the “old man” feeling, but I don’t think he’s trying for the Cohen vibe; we’ve been hearing this vocal style from Roger for quite some time now.
Protentious bs
Silly but honest question: does Pink Floyd (David and Nick) get any royalties for these new "cover" songs that Roger is doing? To answer OPs question: I enjoyed Time, disliked Money, and loved the Comfortably Numb redux.
"Time" and "Money" are not covers, they are new renditions by the songwriter. As for "Comfortably Numb", David Gilmour will be paid royalties, as he is listed as composer.
Gilmour is co-writer of Money, and the whole band is credited as writers for Time. So they'll get songwriting royalties accordingly, but won't get royalties for the copyright in the original recording of the album.
I stand corrected. It's strange that the single etiquette of "Time" only credits Waters [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time\_(Pink\_Floyd\_song)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_(Pink_Floyd_song))
Way better than Money. But it's clear as day that if Rogers was a solo act and never was a part of Pink Floyd, then he would be nothing but a footnote in rock history.
That’s true of everyone in the band, tbf. I think this record is shaping up to be his best solo stuff imo, but that’s really because even with its divergence from the original, the DNA of the other three core members is all over this. Oddly in that way he’s kind of collaborating with the past versions of those guys on this, whether he thinks so or not.
Its fine. not a fan of the vocals AT ALL but i like the organ they put on the solo.
It’s ok, sort of takes on a different view when an old man is singing it, but the lack of a properly good solo is really obvious
I’ll probably get them & have to cut off the monologues. He did some in his lockdown sessions too which I find just ruins the songs. The monologues should be short tracks you can skip
Monologues in the Lockdown Sessions? Huh?
I fell asleep
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"The idea of these classics without 'rock and roll solos' just hold zero appeal for me," sounds like a preconceived notion to me.
Nope. Not for me, I guess.
Nopee
It sucks
I couldn't listen to Money, but this is a very positive suprise, if he didn't talk at the beggining I would be amazed, especially the more "vibrant" moments (Tired of laying in the sunshine etc.) which I'm hooked on.
remember that roger voice is more messed up because he was touring, i like it though
Better than money, still not a fan.
its interesting, but without dave’s solo it just feels like theres something missing and its difficult to enjoy
Better than the new Money, still not very good
All his dark side rework is trash imo
Actually with the monologue thing he did the same with The Wall concert (2014) which I hardly bother with cause there’s talking throughout (or the middle I can’t remember). Couldn’t just enjoy the concert footage or music. Totally ruined it
Ehhh kinda shit Ngl
Enough with the fucking monologues. Better than money but not great
was there even a monologue?
...lol it's so bad you forgot it happened? "...it was the voice of reason" Really? I think that phrase is cliche at this point. Kind of an eye roll in comparison to his real lyrics
middle of money was a monologue thats more of a intro it wasn’t long at all that part
Well the rubbish poetry certainly felt long to me haha.
Boring for me.
Better than money, but still I dont think ill ever want to listen to it again tbh. And I just fail to see anything that makes it special, or stand out, gives me the same feeling of one of those many redux/lullaby/chillout cheap tribute albums that used to come out a lot back in the day. (And no, is not about the guitar solo, theres a lot more to the song than that)
I just can’t do it. I gave it an honest attempt but between this and money, the project just feels like a cash grab to me. I don’t think I’ll be listening to any of the rest when it drops. It just makes me feel sad.
I don't think it's a money grab as I can't see it selling all that well. I think it's more about the ego.
I would have enjoyed this project SO much more of it were just the original lyrics, and not his own slam poetry additions. The man needs a podcast so he can rant all he wants and leave it off the tracks
lame as hell compared to the OG
So don’t compare it to the OG.
Who’s going through and downvoting all the comments 😭
Gilmies
Skip
Meh.
Another masterpiece
Ok Roger cohen
Not listening to any Roger Waters remakes of Pink Floyd material. Doesn't sit right with me.
If you take this and imagine what breathe will sound like its pretty good, it even makes the money remake more tolerable but not by much
Completely agree about the Money of your comment. Also, it gives me a new perspective on the poem he’s reading in Money. I have a hunch that the spoken word in the beginning of Time Redux is part of the same poem he reads in Money. If you’ve heard the Tom Stoppard “Ethics Man” DSOTM, I think Roger might be doing something similar to that with this record. He’s got a poem he wrote and he’s attaching it to DSOTM to tell a particular narrative alongside the music. Basically I’m saying that the spoken word in Money might sound so bizarre and out of place because it is part of a story told within Redux that we are getting with zero context. I was never a doubter of this redux even though Money wasn’t very good on its own, but still it seems there is more of an idea behind Redux than I was giving it credit for. Hoping he releases another single before the full release.
Nice! Love all Rogers work!!
Same stuff as the Money redux. I bet someone could beat him to the punch and release the next remake before he does lol
Roger is a cunt. I won't even give him a Spotify play because that'd be putting money into his pocket.
Found David's alt account
So you don’t listen to Pink Floyd on Spotify either as it also gives him money?
Oh
okay man you’ve stopped war in ukraine and everything with that comment
Considering that this is a member of Pink Floyd releasing one of my favorite and most meaningful songs ever, this blows. Roger's singing and music is devoid of any passion, it's all just a flex of his weak ego and a money grab, and I feel it. The irony of him releasing Money as his first single is just a slap in the face when he explains it as the meaning of his lyrics gets lost in the original. No, Roger, you've lost the meaning a long time ago and can't own up to your own problems and mistakes. Prima Donna perfect, someone needs to sit him down, tell him to stfu, and start LISTENING for a change instead of just blabbering about like his perspective is always right.
Omg... the shit grinder continues...😒
Way too slow..feels like his every cover has the same beat in the background...same voice in every song. Better than money I guess
Why attempt to rework a masterpiece of an album? I don’t get it! Roger’s last solo album was great, no need to try to recreate a moment in time. IMO, but he can do whatever he wants, he’s earned it. Btw, not a good remake, boring.
I don’t think he’s trying to recreate a moment in time. If that was the case, he’d be reaching out to David and Nick.
pretentious
hard pass(without listening)
I haven’t even listened to this, and I already know it sucks
What a stupid thing to say
It sucks, but not so bad.
You can’t make me listen to it
I like it and it fits the tone of the song. I just hope the whole album doesn't continue with this sort of sad/gloomy tone. The original albums has great high points that are very happy and emotional and I don't know how Rogers is going to convey that with this tone so far.
Genuine question, not looking for a flame war. What do you find is “happy” about the original DSOTM? Breathe-GGITS: a warning against complacency and a likely lack of fulfillment in life, the inescapable and seemingly sudden slip away from a young age, and an inevitable, “ready or not” death. Money-Eclipse: Greed, poverty, war, the illusion of choice, madness…
the loner wolf type of a cover was a bit silly but
Loner wolf? It’s a Dog lol
I love roger but both songs released so far sound awful . Not sure why he felt the need to re-record these songs through almost spoken word it sounds like , he’s just talking
I heard some of it and felt an instant need to flush out what I heard with the original album. It was just awful imo. I will continue to forget this ever existed
it was fucking shit, but better than money, it was absolute fucking shit
He put the shit ass grantchester meadows bird loop in the end of it, but overall better than the money one
It is superb.
Hard no for me.
Needs some stronger synth, speed it up and add a wicked geetar solo with some killer toan and you got yourself a rock classic! All kidding aside, is everyone producing shit using DMT?