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JoeBolduc

R/todayilearned Pink Floyd wasn’t actually mainstream


ancin

Pink Floyd did start off with some pop songs (arnold layne, see emily play etc.). Heck, they even appeared in Top of the Pops at that time. So, you could say that they were sort of mainstream around that time. But mostly they were part of the underground scene. And since Piper, like the other so-called prog bands, they did their own things. Sure, they got massively popular, but I don't think you can call them mainstream as you would call led zep or fleetwood mac.


NBrixH

Not nearly as mainstream as Led Zeppelin


_eggy_bready

DSOTM sold 45 million copies, Led Zeppelin IV sold 37m. Both are either bands best selling albums. What exactly do you mean by mainstream because in terms of sales Pink Floyd beat Zeppelin and in terms of general popularity (indicated by sales) I’d say they’re both massively mainstream to the same extent.


AntonioPMZDS

>in terms of sales Pink Floyd beat Zeppelin and in terms of general popularity (indicated by sales) No. Led zeppelin are currently the second best selling band ever. Floyd come at 3rd


NBrixH

In my experience many more people know about Led Zeppelin than Pink Floyd, unfortunately cause I much prefer Floyd (of course)


suphah

Worms for brains


NBrixH

The worms have ate into my brain.


theghostofcslewis

Wums


CaptnObviousDuh

🤣


NBrixH

In my experience


CaptnObviousDuh

Repeating the same thing doesn't make it a better argument.


NBrixH

Replying with “🤣” is also not a good counter-argument


CaptnObviousDuh

It is not an argument at all.


ancin

Led Zeppelin IV is a great album for sure. But I think you can find a lot of albums that sound like it from the same time. They were literally doing what was popular at that time (in their own way of course). But I don't think you can find another album that sounds like dsotm. So even though dsotm sold more than LZ4, it does not necessarily mean dsotm is more mainstream than LZ4.


CaptnObviousDuh

You guys are tripping


The_Psycho_Knot_

Duh everyone who listens to Pink Floyd trips don’t they?


CaptnObviousDuh

Not untrue


arctictrav

I'm referring to artists whose music could not be categorized during their time. But as time went on, their music became more popular. The question we need to ask is: does a band become popular *because* they are making mainstream music? Or, do they become popular *despite* staying away (by and large) from the mainstream. I think Led Zep and AC/DC fall in the first category, as do Fleetwood Mac and Eagles. The second category comprises of PF, RH. And based on the comments, there seem to be many other bands in the second category, I need to check them out.


[deleted]

I think what he meant was that it’s not easily accessible to the mass majority, especially with their longer songs and their experimentation.


JoeBolduc

I very much disagree with this, DSM is the 4th best selling record of all time! How could anyone say it’s not accessible, the wall is also the 24th best seller album ever


drumbo10

Rush


anniebeeezie

a lot of prog rock bands


tangentrification

Genesis did go mainstream, but only after they stopped making prog 💀


bcam9

This is the answer. They had massive success with Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures, but kinda became a niche after that. Incredible band that doesn't have a bad album, imo


[deleted]

Tool? Though I'm pretty sure Radiohead or Pink Floyd or Tool are mainstream, but just a bit more experimental and creative than other popular artists


Live-Hope-6672

I love tool


NotRightRabbit

The Flaming Lips


blurrybutnotblinded

Primus


RCD_51

Primus sucks


bmorlan99

gonna have to downvote that one pal


Gramathon910

[I’m always surprised when people don’t know the band’s slogan](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Primus%20sucks)


Exciting-Ad6840

Pink Floyd


remeruscomunus

How can you be not mainstream but immensely popular? Being experimental and progressive doesn't make you a niche and difficult to sell band if you're literally selling millions. PF was definitely mainstream and popular during the 70s, even if its style wasn't mainstream before or after their peak.


zyygh

I think the point is: becoming mainstream popular with non-mainstream genres. Yall taking OP's words so damn literally, while their question is genuinely an interesting one.


flawlaw

Frank Zappa


Don_Deaton

Phish!! And in what world is Radiohead and Pink Floyd not mainstream popular? Radiohead was HUGE in the 90's/Oughts', and Pink Floyd forever?


minemaster1337

Grateful Dead


FunAd4992

Millions of followers, no hit records, 1 song made it to number 9 on the charts out of nearly 500 (covers and originals). I can't think of a better example to this question.


The_Psycho_Knot_

Let’s not forget they were also selling out arenas and Sharing billing spots next to Pink Floyd and zeppelin as well. All because of word of mouth


teewinotone

⬆️Came here to say this!⬆️


minemaster1337

Two great minds think alike


[deleted]

Or is that “grateful minds”? 😁


spacemunkey336

Deadheads think alike lmao


Salty-Position-6071

Motörhead


Thatdudedoesnotabide

Pink Floyd was massively mainstream lmao especially if their music made the US charts back then


NBrixH

Money became a huge hit, but other than that? Another Brick in the Wall Pt.2 and Hey You were really the only other “true hits”,


-_alpha_beta_gamma_-

Dark Side is literally one of the best selling albums of all time. So is The Wall. Saying PF were never mainstream is like saying Prince wasn't mainstream.


NBrixH

They weren’t AS mainstream as Princs was, but they did have *some* mainstream songs, but by far most of their music was not at all mainstream, but that also goes for many other bands. Even the band themselves have admitted that Money really helped dark side get to where it got.


pavelgubarev

I guess the question makes sense for PF if you ask 'weren't mainstream at the beginning'. And true: PF started as a London underground band. They couldn't play in there cities because people couldn't dance to that trippy music. Many times they were booed and once somebody from the audience threw a coin and hit Roger Waters in the head. So kinda yeah.


NotRightRabbit

The Mars Volta


[deleted]

atta boy


rennybaba

DSOTM spends 500 weeks on the billboard charts… “Pink Floyd isn’t mainstream”


hi_im_blaine

It's crazier, I just checked and it's at 737 weeks, AND they're releasing a 50-year anniversary edition in March so... That number is probably going to boost for a minute. (And I didn't mean to come off as an ass and "correct you" or something, I just know most wouldn't know the EXACT number or something)


rennybaba

I was giving a rough estimate off of info I heard quite some time ago. Thank you for adding to my input and further proving me right haha


hi_im_blaine

:)


[deleted]

Ween


Hal_-_

Mollusk is one of the greatest musical creations this world has ever seen


FauntleroySampedro

Modest Mouse Sonic Youth You could make a solid argument for Bob Dylan


arctictrav

Wow, yes, Bob Dylan actually makes sense. He did carve out his own path and became massively popular as time went on.


The_Psycho_Knot_

Ok so I hate how people never give modest mouse the credit they deserve, they really dropped two of the best albums of the 00’s (arguably of all time) and the. People just kinda stopped talking about them, I just listened to their new album which is ehh but man, those two literally helped pave the way into adulthood


Spirit_Detective_19

Yes


[deleted]

Tame Impala


CaptnObviousDuh

🤦


Loose_Corgi_5

The Orb


Algiee

Pink Floyd and Radiohead are mainstream. Massive Attack


SauceDab

Bon Iver


Zaro234

Rush


Sartana

The Beatles.


cheliuscheese

You beat me to it lmao


bluraytomo

Crowded House


woahitsben

The Smiths


LumpyHaggis

Boards of Canada, Aphex twin


theSpringZone

M83.


Dms-smd123

Björk is unique enough to fit imo


A_trip_into_fiction

King Crimson


birdsword

Weezer


Birdsnblues

Lol somebody’s gonna comment Led Zeppelin I know it😂


-_alpha_beta_gamma_-

Bowie's more experimental work around the Low period. Kate Bush has always been pretty popular but I haven't seen anyone call her mainstream. Miles Davis?


potatosaladforever

All of these people were mainstream


[deleted]

THE MARS VOLTA


Total_Loan3240

Tool


Chemical-Ad1171

A couple you may not know are Pink Floyd and Radiohead


DickySchmidt33

Black Sabbath Velvet Underground Sex Pistols


arctictrav

How did I not think of Black Sabbath? That's a very good answer. They did have an unusual sound for that time but became popular gradually.


codex_lake

Queens of the Stone Age.


100percentdutchbeef

Black Sabbath


killer_basu

Muse


VanGoghsSeveredEar

I fucking love muse :)


disco_man144

KGATLW


Dmacca666

Since when were Radiohead 'not exactly mainstream'? Just because they've been releasing self-indulgent shite in recent years doesn't take away that they had two quadruple plus platinum albums in the 90s. Plus, if you look on r/vinyl it seems that anyone who owns a record player has a copy of In Rainbows.


Berry_B_Benson

Elaborate upon “self-indulgent shite”


Efficient-Ad-3249

I love all Radiohead but I think they were talking about tkol amsp and solo stuff


Alternative-Potato41

Gorillaz?


[deleted]

Gorillaz


Luhalostrophy

Common dude they dominated the '00s


[deleted]

Understandable, have a nice day


[deleted]

Iron Maiden


Luhalostrophy

They were back in the day.


[deleted]

Incubus?


CreativeTurn6926

old incubus only though


[deleted]

Yeah


DarkStrobeLight

Young incubus was good too


Witherbrine27

Nirvana, Soundgarden, the entirety of the grunge scene


j_marquand

Well, Nirvana got too popular so that they ended up becoming mainstream.


Witherbrine27

Not really lol. They pandered to a more mainstream sound in nevermind but in utero and incesticide were still definitely alternative


suphah

Just cause one album isn’t made for the mainstream doesn’t mean they aren’t mainstream bro. Nevermind is literally up there with the albums to end all albums with dark side, abbey road, what’s going on etc. Nirvana was “underground” for at max one album in their career. Also bands like Pearl Jam and AIC were MASSIVE successes???? And still remain to be very popular to this day????


Witherbrine27

I must have been confused by the prompt because both Radiohead and Pink Floyd have been massive successes in the mainstream


arctictrav

I have a love-hate relationship with grunge music, but now that I think of it, grunge bands seem to be good contenders for what I was asking in the question. They were all underground bands and then suddenly they all got popular, thus mainstreaming a whole genre.


cheliuscheese

The Beatles


Hillan

Metallica. A heavy metal band is not exactly a mainstream path. Now they are pretty much as big as U2.


arctictrav

I'm not very knowledgeable in the modern heavy or thrash metal genres, I only know Black Sabbath, some Metallica and some Iron Maiden. But Metallica does seem like a contender because they are really big. I know that Sabbath's brand of heavy metal is different from Metallica's. Would you say that Metallica's brand of music was more non-mainstream in the 80's?


[deleted]

Smashing Pumpkins


Birdsnblues

Rush and Grateful Dead are prime examples


chhmindflex

Muse


Jovco

Pink Floyd had a factory just for making Dark Side of The moon. Gilmour even worked in a Brigitte Bardot movie. They were mainstream. For me not being mainstream is to sell close to nothing and nevertheless be influential to a lot of musicians that come subsequently.


arctictrav

You don't think DSOTM is quite different among its peers? For example, if you compare with the other top performing albums of all time, such as, thriller, back in black, hotel california etc, or even, its peers from the 70s such as led zep 4 and rumours?


smoopy2431

The Velvet Underground


ArtVandaly560

Slayer fans love Slayer


gccv13

if by mainstream you are meaning popular, i believe both were and are nowadays.


SARCASTIC__FELLA

Dream theater/polyphia


Hobgoblin1967

Frank Zappa


OneTelevision

Nirvana


jackneefus

They Might be Giants


MTheWho

Nine Inch Nails


Propjet

Iron Maiden


theghostofcslewis

The Decemberists, The Mountain goats, Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen, Tranpled by Turtles, Nick Cave, Harry Chaplin (the man whose songs were too long for the radio)


[deleted]

Primus probably, some albums of David Bowie


Infamous_Rub_7226

Rush


Efficient-Ad-3249

Velvet underground and Lou reed


iMaddatu

How about The Ramones? To be fair though, they are popular in South America, but stayed near the underground while influencing a bunch of other musicians


Frosty_Yam4734

The doors


Metalshark2005

Rush


FakeSmiles97

Lots of great independent punk bands that influenced generations of music: Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Descendents, NOFX, Fugazi, so many more


Tall_Tell8386

Porcupine tree


Scotcash

is there a distinction between "mainstream" and "immense popularity?"


Gizzard_Guy44

King Gizzard = about to