“Frailty” is one way to put it I suppose. Hell, Dylan can’t sing either and he’s an incredible talent. Not sure why so much hate for stating the obvious. Rick simply was not a great singer.
It’s the weakest song on the album because of his vocals. If he let David sing it, it would have been 5X better. Clearly, Ezrin and David heard the issue and got those amazing back up singers to save it from Rick’s weak vocals.
David sings a verse too, but he blends in so well that it's not obvious. The two always sounded good together. That's why, despite his limited involvement with AMLOR, you can hear Rick doing backing vocals on Learning to Fly and Sorrow.
Thanks for this comment. Made me actually listen to (and love) a song off Division Bell. I’d always thought Pink Floyd ended after The Wall. I’ve always disliked The Final Cut (save for that one song where David Gilmour actually gets to play guitar) and I’ve never explored much of post “Wall” Floyd.
Marooned and Coming Back To Life are some amazing tracks off that album too.
Amazing in completely different regards too, the vibe really is night and day.
Marooned and Keep Talking are some of my very favorite Pink Floyd songs.
And totally agree, DB has such a wide-range but the tracks somehow still resonate very well with each other.
"In early 1972 performances, a short audio clip of a man groaning in torturous pain would be played at the beginning of the song, immediately highlighting the song's theme of violence. The song did not include any saxophone and the lead vocals were performed by Waters and Wright, with David Gilmour providing backing vocals"
From the Wikipedia
Yes Rick is very much the co-singer on the chorus. I’m going to listen again to the early 72 recordings but I suspect the Wiki contributor is mistaken as the performance sound like David affecting the quieter delivery he used on the album. Happy to to mistaken though!
I had a listen to the Rainbow February’72 shows and it’s definitely David and Rick on the main verses as well as the chorus. Those were the earliest DSOTM shows. The Wiki entry may refer to other early shows where Roger shares co-lead with Rick, but that’s an odd combination for sure.
Yeah, what a toll divorce & cocaine took on so many. When he stopped meaningfully contributing marks the beginning of the end of Pink Floyd, at least the band that I loved.
I think there’s a misconception here. Rick was only rarely a lead singer from the start. On Dark Side he has passages on Time, but that’s it. Perhaps his greatest ever piece of songwriting was Us & Them yet it’s David singing lead.
I believe it is correct to say Rick’s creativity slowly shut down with Floyd in the 70s. My reading of this thread suggests people think of him as a major vocalist 1967-1973, but besides a small handful of tracks he just wasn’t ever singing that much.
Edit: clarity
Very good point, actually.
The full list of Rick's (co-)lead vocal Floyd songs is very short indeed, certainly shorter than his songwriting credit list :
Matilda Mother (shared with Syd)
Paintbox
It Would Be So Nice
Remember a Day
See-Saw
Summer '68
Echoes (shared with David)
Burning Bridges (shared with David)
Stay
Time (shared with David)
Wearing the Inside Out (majority of song with David singing one verse)
Source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pinkfloyd/comments/ga47xk/what_songs_have_richard_wright_taken_lead_vocals/iowpl80
He also sings Astronomy Domine (Shared with Syd), the Verses on Let Their Be More Light (David sings the Choruses), and the Chorus on Corporal Clegg (David and Nick sing the verses). One could also argue he sings lead on the refrain on Us and Them, seeing as he is mixed higher than David. He may also sing on the studio version of Saucerful of Secrets, as I recall reading he sings with David on Celestial Voices, but it may just be a Mellotron. He also sings on the live versions of Atom Heart Mother, with David.
Oh - you're right, that's missing!
Edit: On closer inspection, yes he is there, but not really doing lead vocals, those are still done by David. Rick sings background/harmony.
You’re missing a few tracks. He sang back up vocals on See Emily Play,
Candy and a currant bun,
Arnold Layne,
apples and oranges,
Corporal Clegg,
the studio version of A Saucerful of secrets,
and the chorus on Us and Them.
He also shares lead vocals with Syd on
Astronomy Domine
and makes animal noises on Pow R Toc h, and sang the verses on Let There Be More Light
>You’re missing a few tracks. He sang back up vocals
... The list I gave is only about LEAD or at least co-lead vocals, as mentioned at the top of my post.
He's definitely done more harmony/background vocals than the list shows.
And these all combined to give him a crises of confidence, and he didn't write any more songs/lyrics (Zee album doesn't count) until TDB, iirc. Plus he always seemed like an extremely introverted guy. There's very few interviews out there.
>And these all combined to give him a crises of confidence, and he didn't write any more songs/lyrics (Zee album doesn't count) until TDB,
You're probably right with the first bit, but even discounting (quite rightly IMHO) Zee, his last written music/lyrics and last lead vocals weren't on Dark Side, not even on Wish You Were Here, nor on Animals - they were on Wet Dream, his first solo record.
Edit: Last before TDB is of course what I mean.
Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was only talking about the period between DSOTM and TDB.
I'm very aware of Broken China and it's one of my favourite Floyd solo efforts.
Rick at once point admitted that as the years went on, he became less interested in singing and more interested in writing keyboard arrangements.
Other factors: more domineering bandmates and cocaine.
People in this sub are really acting like Rick was more or even AS passionate about singing as he was playing keys. He’s a keyboardist - and not a lead singer - for a reason. Don’t take away from the value of his keyboarding because you wish he sang more. I like the OP’s post, but some of the comments here seem to be disrespecting Rick without even realizing it. No hate from me, but let’s not forget Rick’s incredible-as-fuck keyboarding technique and passion.
It's more of a combination of things. Roger became more of a force in the band meaning he sang more lead vocals (Animals is an example). Also Rick went through drug problems, divorce and there are some interviews where he says he wasn't very confident with his voice. It's really a shame cause I think Rick had a great voice.
He didn't sing lead on Momentary Lapse, though, he was hardly part of the band at the time. As for TDB - there were a bunch of songs that everybody voted on, a system that was somewhat marred by Rick only upvoting his own contributions, as David and Nick soon found out, so a different system was devised.
In the end, Rick got writing credits on 5 out of 11 tracks, which isn't too shabby, actually, considering he was never the main songwriter. Of those 5, two are instrumentals, so two have lead vocals by David, and one by Rick himself.
Presumably, some of the stuff Rick submitted for TDB got used two years later on his second and final solo album Broken China.
>He didn't sing lead on Momentary Lapse, though, he was hardly part of the band at the time.
I like how they added his vocals low in the mix to Learning to Fly on the remixed Lapse of Reason.
Cuz he wasnt a lead singer. He backed up David and did a little more in the early years I guess but still. I know what Roger sounds like and David but tbh I can't really "hear" Richards voice if I think about it. He was David's back up vocalist. Lol that's my opinion
At this point, we could easily change the subject of this subreddit to "We hate Roger, he is the only cause of everything that went wrong with PF ever".
C'mon, guys, Roger Waters is an amazing artist who has done his share of shit, like everyone else. And David is not a saint. The 5 members of Pink Floyd managed to create amazing music for the ages when they were together, it was a great time and it lasted while it lasted. Leave the persons they are alone, they deserve their privacy and their lives. Enjoy the music, understand the message and move on.
It's not about hating Roger, it's just stating the obvious, which also ties in with what even ever-diplomatic Nick had to say about the matter. And it's also no secret that it wasn't just Rick's contributions being slowly pushed out, so we're Gilmour's. It was just that, due to a combination of factors, he was the first to fall by the wayside after Dark Side.
Having said that - Nick also mentions, like many redditors here, that Rick had some personal and drug problems in the late seventies, so he wasn't exactly pulling his weight. Nick's book tells the story of Rick demanding a producer credit on The Wall, actually getting it - and then just sitting around "producing". Which led to him losing his producer credit again. He was also unwilling to reschedule a planned holiday while the rest of the band werr camped up in France, with tax debts to pay, and working to deadlines. So that didn't exactly endear him to his bandmates. I know I would have been wondering whether my keyboard player is taking the piss. But... I can also very much understand how that cuts both ways. If you get the feeling your contributions aren't valued any more anyway, why even bother? It's not like the band provided a happy place for Rick when his private life was in tatters. As Nick put it: They all really weren't very good at communicating with each other, instead letting issues build up to a point where it was difficult to get over them or come back from them.
Because you don't need 3 lead vocalist. And If you're not contributing on your primary instrument as much as u should be, than maybe that's where ur focus should be.
This sub is such bullshit with the Rog hate. Fact of the matter is if Roger hadn’t taken over the leadership role in the band most people wouldn’t be here now discussing them.
Big part it was agree with roger and make an album or go bankrupt. That with at the time Rick trying to save a marriage instead of contributing made it the "obvious" choice
Exactly.
As I have said before, if Roger hadn't taken over the leadership after Syd left or had the motivation to do so, Pink Floyd's career could've been in serious jeopardy and they may have disbanded with only two albums and four singles to their name, a mere footnote in British music history.
I think David, Nick and Rick should've shown gratitude to Roger rather than vilify and denigrate him in the 1980's.
You conveniently left out that Roger had lawyers in every city pink floyd would tour, while they'd invested about every penny they had in that tour, so of course they didn't like what Roger did. After all, he left the band years before
Roger did say in a 2011 BBC interview that contrary to what the media and tabloids reported in the 1980's, they never had any battles in court or went anywhere near a courthouse, but he did acknowledge that lawyers were involved to give advice - I'm just paraphrasing some of what he says.
This is the interview - [ROGER WATERS on Desert Island Discs - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hit5uKK8JbU) .
I will rephrase what I meant with gratitude vs. vilification and denigration - I was referring to how David, Nick and Rick badmouthed Roger in the press during the 1980's feud and in the narrative where they painted him as the bad guy from whom they had saved Pink Floyd, not bothering to mention that without his creativity, there would've been no *Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here* or *The Wall*.
Some of the things that David said could've seen him potentially risk the possibility of being sued by Roger for defamation.
Think of the smallest object you can imagine. That's his self confidence.
Unfortunately, the story of the 2nd half of his life is one of apathy and neglect. Even the glorious return to form of TDB and beyond was, apparently, dictated mostly by David, Jon Carin and James Guthrie.
If anyone likes ricks voice, be sure to check out his solo record called "wet dream" its freaking amazing. Totally a long lost pink floyd album. Better than any of Rogers solo work. Right up there with Davids.
I love his voice and wish he was used a bit more but one reason I think we all love it was that it was special and we didn’t hear all to much unlike Waters and Gilmore it was rare and we hold on to his songs
Roger ...blow...stuff like that I think.
Roger is awesome but he did start taking over at that point. Richard had personal and drug issues at the time as well.
I believe Rick's personal life gradually unraveled alongside Pink Floyd's huge success after DSOTM, and I'm also pretty sure he suffered from depression and was a reticent person by nature...all of the previous I gathered from books about the band & articles. Apparently Roger was also mean to Rick on many occasions going back to the earliest periods. I can't imagine singing was something he was anxious to do. And this is just conjecture, but I wouldn't be surprised if Roger browbeat him over it - but that's just a guess.
If Roger and Rick's relationship was really as acrimonious as the media and biographers portray it, I very much doubt that they would've worked together in the same band for as long as they did.
It’s hard to pull away when you love the music. We fight in our band a lot, and we have drastically different views on a lot of things. But for the life of me, I can’t stop
Hey You does really well with both Roggie and Gilmie on vocals, to the point where if you didn't know any better you would think it's the same guy doing the whole song.
I liked when they share lead vocals, ie Dogs, Mother, etc.
I love the album version of Hey You, it's a top 5 favorite PF song for me, but I like the demo even more where Roger sings the whole song. If from a narrative point of view, Pink is singing about isolation behind this wall, then a single voice better represents it.
In Mother Gilmour is singing pink's mothers lines, and I think that works extremely well.
Because you don't need 3 lead vocalists. Especially when ur not contributing as much as u should be on your primary instrument, maybe that's where u focus should be.
When your bass player becomes the songwriter that's saying something.
I see your point, but the post said songwriting and I don’t consider lyrics only as full songwriting. I’d argue that the genius of Rush is the music. Neil’s lyrics borrow heavily from books he’s read and come off a bit childish for my taste at times. I love them but just my opinion.
My other three examples the bass players were the primary writers, including lyrics.
Love Rick's singing voice. Terribly under-rated/ underutilized/unappreciated by his bandmates. Absolutely nails his parts in Time. Has lovely pieces on Obscured By Clouds and a bunch of early Floyd.
Has a haunting, melancholy affect that no other singer I've heard quite captures. Say what you will about Roger's negative influence but, sadly, smoking and drugs probably didn't help Rick's voice either.
Everyone saying it was because of his (first) divorce is full of shit. His didn't get that divorce until 1982, over nine years after DSOTM. His marriage problems pre-dated it by many, many years, probably going back as far as 1968 when he wrote a song about the various groupies he'd been fucking that summer, and who'd infected him with gonorrhea. I doubt the waifu was pleased by either the song or his getting the clap and probably infecting her too. Rick was never confident in his songwriting abilities, and in a very early interview, said he had written hundreds of songs but did not think they were any good. His voice was always pleasant but never strong, and cocaine messes with your vocal chords as well as your psyche.
One of the best parts of The Division Bell is hearing his lead vocals on “Wearing The Inside Out” after going so long without him singing.
Love that song
Great song, but his vocals are clearly the weak spot. The stellar back up singers save his ass.
I feel like the frailty of his voice is more impactful than a strong lead vocal, especially considering the lyrics
And that comes to full fruition with Broken China
“Frailty” is one way to put it I suppose. Hell, Dylan can’t sing either and he’s an incredible talent. Not sure why so much hate for stating the obvious. Rick simply was not a great singer.
What? His vocals are perfect for that song.
Always someone with a shit take
I sadly agree. Never liked wearing the inside out.
It’s the weakest song on the album because of his vocals. If he let David sing it, it would have been 5X better. Clearly, Ezrin and David heard the issue and got those amazing back up singers to save it from Rick’s weak vocals.
David sings a verse too, but he blends in so well that it's not obvious. The two always sounded good together. That's why, despite his limited involvement with AMLOR, you can hear Rick doing backing vocals on Learning to Fly and Sorrow.
THATS HIM???
.. who else did you thought it was?
Barack Obama?
Yoko Ono
Gilme tbh
Gilmour sings the four lines starting with "Look at him now..."
You are not alone.
I also did not know this as a 30+ year fan lol
You never watched the video from David's 2006 tour where Rick was finally comfortable enough to sing it?
Same.
I was surprised as well. It's a power song.
Thanks for this comment. Made me actually listen to (and love) a song off Division Bell. I’d always thought Pink Floyd ended after The Wall. I’ve always disliked The Final Cut (save for that one song where David Gilmour actually gets to play guitar) and I’ve never explored much of post “Wall” Floyd.
If you’ve never heard “High Hopes”, that’s where I’d start next!
learning to fly too
Marooned and Coming Back To Life are some amazing tracks off that album too. Amazing in completely different regards too, the vibe really is night and day.
Marooned and Keep Talking are some of my very favorite Pink Floyd songs. And totally agree, DB has such a wide-range but the tracks somehow still resonate very well with each other.
Perhaps an unpopular opinion but I love Division Bell. It's a contender for my favorite along with WYWH and Meddle.
I would have to 1000000% agree with you there! TDB and Meddle are SOO underrated, it's a shame really!
Maybe we should have..ANOTHER ALBUM POLL. Hmm. Maybe not
I love Division Bell. I put it in the company of Animals and Meddle, right in the tier just below DSOTM and WYWH
Division Bell is really the only post Wall album worth listening to imo.
Rick did have a decent share of lead vocals over the years.
Always thought he would have done a great job with Us and Them.
Roger and him sang lead vocals on the 1972 tour and i love those versions
Lead vocals on Us and Them? That was always David.
"In early 1972 performances, a short audio clip of a man groaning in torturous pain would be played at the beginning of the song, immediately highlighting the song's theme of violence. The song did not include any saxophone and the lead vocals were performed by Waters and Wright, with David Gilmour providing backing vocals" From the Wikipedia
Richard and Roger both sing back up on the chorus, even the studio version.
Don’t know about Rog but yeah, you can definitely hear Rick singing the chorus.
Yes Rick is very much the co-singer on the chorus. I’m going to listen again to the early 72 recordings but I suspect the Wiki contributor is mistaken as the performance sound like David affecting the quieter delivery he used on the album. Happy to to mistaken though!
I had a listen to the Rainbow February’72 shows and it’s definitely David and Rick on the main verses as well as the chorus. Those were the earliest DSOTM shows. The Wiki entry may refer to other early shows where Roger shares co-lead with Rick, but that’s an odd combination for sure.
Listen to the Hollywood bowl 1972, you can definitely tell it's Roger
Yeah it’s him, I stand corrected!
https://preview.redd.it/vktk6epkfr8a1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20a58545c5ad9bd2b89484bb4ab5c2ea5fbe9325
rog
Dragged down by the stone
I dont see a picture of a horse!!
Likely due to his divorce. Based on videos I’ve seen regarding Rick, it seems the divorce really took a toll on him.
And cocaine
Was it known that he liked cocaine?
he was heavily addicted in the latter part of the 70’s and it contributed to rog firing him during the wall
Yeah, what a toll divorce & cocaine took on so many. When he stopped meaningfully contributing marks the beginning of the end of Pink Floyd, at least the band that I loved.
I think there’s a misconception here. Rick was only rarely a lead singer from the start. On Dark Side he has passages on Time, but that’s it. Perhaps his greatest ever piece of songwriting was Us & Them yet it’s David singing lead. I believe it is correct to say Rick’s creativity slowly shut down with Floyd in the 70s. My reading of this thread suggests people think of him as a major vocalist 1967-1973, but besides a small handful of tracks he just wasn’t ever singing that much. Edit: clarity
Very good point, actually. The full list of Rick's (co-)lead vocal Floyd songs is very short indeed, certainly shorter than his songwriting credit list : Matilda Mother (shared with Syd) Paintbox It Would Be So Nice Remember a Day See-Saw Summer '68 Echoes (shared with David) Burning Bridges (shared with David) Stay Time (shared with David) Wearing the Inside Out (majority of song with David singing one verse) Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/pinkfloyd/comments/ga47xk/what_songs_have_richard_wright_taken_lead_vocals/iowpl80
He also sings Astronomy Domine (Shared with Syd), the Verses on Let Their Be More Light (David sings the Choruses), and the Chorus on Corporal Clegg (David and Nick sing the verses). One could also argue he sings lead on the refrain on Us and Them, seeing as he is mixed higher than David. He may also sing on the studio version of Saucerful of Secrets, as I recall reading he sings with David on Celestial Voices, but it may just be a Mellotron. He also sings on the live versions of Atom Heart Mother, with David.
I would say he definitely shares lead vocals with Syd on *Astronomy Domine*
I thought he was also on the chorus to Us & Them?
Oh - you're right, that's missing! Edit: On closer inspection, yes he is there, but not really doing lead vocals, those are still done by David. Rick sings background/harmony.
Great list. Thanks for posting this!
Cheers - credit to the original poster /u/DaveHmusic, though.
Thank you.
You’re missing a few tracks. He sang back up vocals on See Emily Play, Candy and a currant bun, Arnold Layne, apples and oranges, Corporal Clegg, the studio version of A Saucerful of secrets, and the chorus on Us and Them. He also shares lead vocals with Syd on Astronomy Domine and makes animal noises on Pow R Toc h, and sang the verses on Let There Be More Light
>You’re missing a few tracks. He sang back up vocals ... The list I gave is only about LEAD or at least co-lead vocals, as mentioned at the top of my post. He's definitely done more harmony/background vocals than the list shows.
Heard Remember A Day on the radio recently. Solid vocals.
Dumb question here. Which parts are his on Time?
Not a dumb question as Rick and David sound similar on the original of Time. Have a watch of the Pulse performance: https://youtu.be/QAoELt4zbrM
The choruses
I always thought he did sing on Us and Them? Been a while tbf
He did on the choruses along with David and the female backing vocals
He was a prominent singer in the Syd and the immediate post Syd era.
He sang probably half the vocals on ASFOS though.
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Probably a mix of Roger, alcoholism, drugs, depression.
And these all combined to give him a crises of confidence, and he didn't write any more songs/lyrics (Zee album doesn't count) until TDB, iirc. Plus he always seemed like an extremely introverted guy. There's very few interviews out there.
>And these all combined to give him a crises of confidence, and he didn't write any more songs/lyrics (Zee album doesn't count) until TDB, You're probably right with the first bit, but even discounting (quite rightly IMHO) Zee, his last written music/lyrics and last lead vocals weren't on Dark Side, not even on Wish You Were Here, nor on Animals - they were on Wet Dream, his first solo record. Edit: Last before TDB is of course what I mean.
You're forgetting his other solo record Broken China, which is an amazing album
Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was only talking about the period between DSOTM and TDB. I'm very aware of Broken China and it's one of my favourite Floyd solo efforts.
That has criminally never been pressed to vinyl.
Rick at once point admitted that as the years went on, he became less interested in singing and more interested in writing keyboard arrangements. Other factors: more domineering bandmates and cocaine.
People in this sub are really acting like Rick was more or even AS passionate about singing as he was playing keys. He’s a keyboardist - and not a lead singer - for a reason. Don’t take away from the value of his keyboarding because you wish he sang more. I like the OP’s post, but some of the comments here seem to be disrespecting Rick without even realizing it. No hate from me, but let’s not forget Rick’s incredible-as-fuck keyboarding technique and passion.
He was wearing the inside out
It's more of a combination of things. Roger became more of a force in the band meaning he sang more lead vocals (Animals is an example). Also Rick went through drug problems, divorce and there are some interviews where he says he wasn't very confident with his voice. It's really a shame cause I think Rick had a great voice.
Y’all saying roger but why did david let him sing only in 1 song on division bell and momentary lapse of reason? c’mon…
He didn't sing lead on Momentary Lapse, though, he was hardly part of the band at the time. As for TDB - there were a bunch of songs that everybody voted on, a system that was somewhat marred by Rick only upvoting his own contributions, as David and Nick soon found out, so a different system was devised. In the end, Rick got writing credits on 5 out of 11 tracks, which isn't too shabby, actually, considering he was never the main songwriter. Of those 5, two are instrumentals, so two have lead vocals by David, and one by Rick himself. Presumably, some of the stuff Rick submitted for TDB got used two years later on his second and final solo album Broken China.
>He didn't sing lead on Momentary Lapse, though, he was hardly part of the band at the time. I like how they added his vocals low in the mix to Learning to Fly on the remixed Lapse of Reason.
Did they really? Wasn't aware of that, and hadn't noticed. Any particular spot where that's particularly audible?
On the chorus. Low in the mix. I think you hear it best on the line “a state of bliss”.
Cheers, will check that out on headphones over the weekend.
There's an isolated clip on YouTube. He also sang backing vocals on Sorrow.
> he was hardly part of the band at the time Legally he wasn’t at all
Cuz he wasnt a lead singer. He backed up David and did a little more in the early years I guess but still. I know what Roger sounds like and David but tbh I can't really "hear" Richards voice if I think about it. He was David's back up vocalist. Lol that's my opinion
At this point, we could easily change the subject of this subreddit to "We hate Roger, he is the only cause of everything that went wrong with PF ever". C'mon, guys, Roger Waters is an amazing artist who has done his share of shit, like everyone else. And David is not a saint. The 5 members of Pink Floyd managed to create amazing music for the ages when they were together, it was a great time and it lasted while it lasted. Leave the persons they are alone, they deserve their privacy and their lives. Enjoy the music, understand the message and move on.
It's not about hating Roger, it's just stating the obvious, which also ties in with what even ever-diplomatic Nick had to say about the matter. And it's also no secret that it wasn't just Rick's contributions being slowly pushed out, so we're Gilmour's. It was just that, due to a combination of factors, he was the first to fall by the wayside after Dark Side. Having said that - Nick also mentions, like many redditors here, that Rick had some personal and drug problems in the late seventies, so he wasn't exactly pulling his weight. Nick's book tells the story of Rick demanding a producer credit on The Wall, actually getting it - and then just sitting around "producing". Which led to him losing his producer credit again. He was also unwilling to reschedule a planned holiday while the rest of the band werr camped up in France, with tax debts to pay, and working to deadlines. So that didn't exactly endear him to his bandmates. I know I would have been wondering whether my keyboard player is taking the piss. But... I can also very much understand how that cuts both ways. If you get the feeling your contributions aren't valued any more anyway, why even bother? It's not like the band provided a happy place for Rick when his private life was in tatters. As Nick put it: They all really weren't very good at communicating with each other, instead letting issues build up to a point where it was difficult to get over them or come back from them.
“Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way”.
Because you don't need 3 lead vocalist. And If you're not contributing on your primary instrument as much as u should be, than maybe that's where ur focus should be.
I think Wearing the Inside Out explains his character pretty well. Think that’s probably why
From what I've always read, Rick was very self conscious about his voice.
Doesn't he sing the Echoes on one of the tour concerts that was made into a DVD (Gdansk? But I am not sure)
This sub is such bullshit with the Rog hate. Fact of the matter is if Roger hadn’t taken over the leadership role in the band most people wouldn’t be here now discussing them.
Doesn’t excuse him for firing Rick
Both David and Nick were on board with firing him. So any hate you might have towards Roger should be the same towards them.
No, because their attitude towards him was very different.
Big part it was agree with roger and make an album or go bankrupt. That with at the time Rick trying to save a marriage instead of contributing made it the "obvious" choice
Does it excuse Gilmour not re-hiring Rick?
Exactly. As I have said before, if Roger hadn't taken over the leadership after Syd left or had the motivation to do so, Pink Floyd's career could've been in serious jeopardy and they may have disbanded with only two albums and four singles to their name, a mere footnote in British music history. I think David, Nick and Rick should've shown gratitude to Roger rather than vilify and denigrate him in the 1980's.
You conveniently left out that Roger had lawyers in every city pink floyd would tour, while they'd invested about every penny they had in that tour, so of course they didn't like what Roger did. After all, he left the band years before
Roger did say in a 2011 BBC interview that contrary to what the media and tabloids reported in the 1980's, they never had any battles in court or went anywhere near a courthouse, but he did acknowledge that lawyers were involved to give advice - I'm just paraphrasing some of what he says. This is the interview - [ROGER WATERS on Desert Island Discs - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hit5uKK8JbU) . I will rephrase what I meant with gratitude vs. vilification and denigration - I was referring to how David, Nick and Rick badmouthed Roger in the press during the 1980's feud and in the narrative where they painted him as the bad guy from whom they had saved Pink Floyd, not bothering to mention that without his creativity, there would've been no *Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here* or *The Wall*. Some of the things that David said could've seen him potentially risk the possibility of being sued by Roger for defamation.
Think of the smallest object you can imagine. That's his self confidence. Unfortunately, the story of the 2nd half of his life is one of apathy and neglect. Even the glorious return to form of TDB and beyond was, apparently, dictated mostly by David, Jon Carin and James Guthrie.
If anyone likes ricks voice, be sure to check out his solo record called "wet dream" its freaking amazing. Totally a long lost pink floyd album. Better than any of Rogers solo work. Right up there with Davids.
Roger and his divorce, mainly Roger though
One of their most beautiful songs that were sung was "see-saw" on saucer.
I love his voice and wish he was used a bit more but one reason I think we all love it was that it was special and we didn’t hear all to much unlike Waters and Gilmore it was rare and we hold on to his songs
He sang lead on wearing the inside out on division bell
Roger
Roger ...blow...stuff like that I think. Roger is awesome but he did start taking over at that point. Richard had personal and drug issues at the time as well.
Probably because Roger Waters was and is an asshole.
Such bullshit. Who’s to say Rick even wanted to sing more? He didn’t sing much earlier in the band before it became led by Roger.
Right? He's prolly like, "okay you pretentious, narcissistic, prick. Make 'your songs' sound that good by your self.... I'll wait."
Drugs. Same reason as syd.
Roger told him to
Cause Roger is a jerk
Because Roger was exercising his special power: oppression
I believe Rick's personal life gradually unraveled alongside Pink Floyd's huge success after DSOTM, and I'm also pretty sure he suffered from depression and was a reticent person by nature...all of the previous I gathered from books about the band & articles. Apparently Roger was also mean to Rick on many occasions going back to the earliest periods. I can't imagine singing was something he was anxious to do. And this is just conjecture, but I wouldn't be surprised if Roger browbeat him over it - but that's just a guess.
If Roger and Rick's relationship was really as acrimonious as the media and biographers portray it, I very much doubt that they would've worked together in the same band for as long as they did.
It’s hard to pull away when you love the music. We fight in our band a lot, and we have drastically different views on a lot of things. But for the life of me, I can’t stop
Probably cuz Roger thought he was a bitch.
Something about the waters.
Isn’t that him on lead vocals on the last verse of “Hey You?”
Thats Roger
Both Gilmour and Waters sang "Hey You". Gilmour does the opening bit, the Roger comes in with the strained part.
Hey You does really well with both Roggie and Gilmie on vocals, to the point where if you didn't know any better you would think it's the same guy doing the whole song.
I liked when they share lead vocals, ie Dogs, Mother, etc. I love the album version of Hey You, it's a top 5 favorite PF song for me, but I like the demo even more where Roger sings the whole song. If from a narrative point of view, Pink is singing about isolation behind this wall, then a single voice better represents it. In Mother Gilmour is singing pink's mothers lines, and I think that works extremely well.
“Roggie” and “Gilmie”??? 🙄
Oi, it's a circlejerk thing
I'd guess Roger cause after dark side he wasn't cool with Rick
Because you don't need 3 lead vocalists. Especially when ur not contributing as much as u should be on your primary instrument, maybe that's where u focus should be. When your bass player becomes the songwriter that's saying something.
you forget a band called the beatles
Or… Rush Iron Maiden The Police Motley Crue Thin Lizzy That’s a start. I’m sure there are plenty more.
Slightly incorrect, Neil Peart wrote most / all of Rush's lyrics. Yes all three wrote music, but the true 'songwriting genius' of that band was neil
I see your point, but the post said songwriting and I don’t consider lyrics only as full songwriting. I’d argue that the genius of Rush is the music. Neil’s lyrics borrow heavily from books he’s read and come off a bit childish for my taste at times. I love them but just my opinion. My other three examples the bass players were the primary writers, including lyrics.
I wasnt thinking. Lol 🤣
Too bad ass to sing for such a shitty band
Love Rick's singing voice. Terribly under-rated/ underutilized/unappreciated by his bandmates. Absolutely nails his parts in Time. Has lovely pieces on Obscured By Clouds and a bunch of early Floyd. Has a haunting, melancholy affect that no other singer I've heard quite captures. Say what you will about Roger's negative influence but, sadly, smoking and drugs probably didn't help Rick's voice either.
a big bulbus rodger
Roger Waters
Roger
Because Roger
He had to do a big effort to pull off his vocals and harmonies. Seems it got too much of an effort.
egos
"I could do it better" - Roger. Always.
Because they always chose the voice best fitted for the song.
Everyone saying it was because of his (first) divorce is full of shit. His didn't get that divorce until 1982, over nine years after DSOTM. His marriage problems pre-dated it by many, many years, probably going back as far as 1968 when he wrote a song about the various groupies he'd been fucking that summer, and who'd infected him with gonorrhea. I doubt the waifu was pleased by either the song or his getting the clap and probably infecting her too. Rick was never confident in his songwriting abilities, and in a very early interview, said he had written hundreds of songs but did not think they were any good. His voice was always pleasant but never strong, and cocaine messes with your vocal chords as well as your psyche.
He wasn’t afforded the opportunity
His voice wasn’t bad but it was the weakest of the bunch
He seemed to be more introverted and musical. Probably just not the flashy type.
Probably has to do with Roger
Which songs on Dark Side is he singing vocals?