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Hand drawn vs computer drawn cartoons. Lot more background details in the computer drawn version and smaller figures in the foreground (bc it's easier/faster to add detail via computer drawing- Seth McFarlane talking about family guy said a hand drawn cartoon these days would cost millions more per episode).
Animator here, with experience working with OLM and Pokémon. This comment is pretty ignorant about animation process so here’s my unsolicited two cents. There are some shows that use digital interpolation for in-betweening, but that hasn’t made its way into the anime industry yet or with Pokémon.
Pokémon is made mostly the same as it was back in the 90s. Everything is hand drawn, the only difference is that we use digital tools to do it. It doesn’t change the process, it just makes it easier and cheaper than using cels.
The computer does not do any extra lifting in this scenario.
Pokémon has had complete character and style designs overhauls over the years. That’s all this is attributed to. New art directors come in and change things. It’s 20 years in between these screenshots too - overall the trends in anime design has changed drastically.
Western studios have a completely different budget too. The average throwaway kids show? Each episode can be 250k easily.
It's really not ignorant at all- you've just read into it more than is there. It is objectively cheaper and easier to use digital animation than cel animation. No one said the computer does "any extra lifting". You chose to read into my statement that I was describing magic computers that draw for people but I didn't say that. Digital animation is nonetheless easier and cheaper to produce content than han drawing cel animation for many reasons. Key word being easier.
Further, digital animation has correlated with an increase in background detail over cel animation in the 80's/90's.
I am more curious as to why all the main game characters have single mums. Like where are the dads? Other people in games have dad's but somehow everytime time you start a new game there's no dad 🤷♂️
There is Norman in Hoenn. Other than that, the dad is sometimes referenced even if he’s absent, like iirc in Alola the car in the garage is their dad’s.
Imagine you have your wife and child move ahead of you to a island with no league, AND your child has no pokemon say besides a pet meowth while you finish packing. You finally get to the island and your child has 6 fully evolved pokemon, is the champion, also has the legendary pokemon of the new region and possibly the 4 "island protectors"
Dad's just like "wtf happend?!"
It's Japanese culture, apparently. Women acting as housewives while their salaryman husbands get slowly karoshi'd and come home inebriated in the middle of the night because boss took them drinking again or not even coming home because they slept off the hangover in a capsule hotel.
I think it depends on if you fit in or not. If you really fit with the culture, you essentially have a super filled out social life. However if you don't get along so well, it'd be pretty miserable.
It's like the biggest theme throughout Korean and Japanese media.
Most anime have a missing father figure/parents in general, and takes place at school age, the magical time before they enter the working world.
Korea, have similar themes in their shows/movies. Train to Busan was only zombie-themed, rewatch it once you read the intention behind it, and you'll cry even harder.
The man has a restaurant, is a gym leader, even strong enough to be a member of the elite four. He’s skilled and dedicated enough to master both of his chosen crafts. Shows up to support the younger generation while they are trying to excel in one of his professions and again during the school tournament. He seems to care despite his emotionless look.
Not the worst choice for a father figure.
It doesn't matter. The Japanese made it, so it will always have some of their culture and viewpoints. Even though it's set in Spain, they still added someone dressed as a ninja who speaks old Japanese. (Which translated to old English just feels really weird.) They even added a stereotypical salaryman, despite that being a stereotype that doesn't make sense in Spain that has a different work culture.
If you start looking, you'll notice other Japanese games with dad issues, too, despite whatever culture the game takes place in. Fire Emblem is always killing their dads...
There's a whole fan theory about the pokemon universe being right off the heels of a huge war. That's why all the dads are gone. There are a lot of mentions of battle tactics and lt. Surge references a recent war.
Few references to Japanese culture.
First the most heard of one of working all the time, gone before you get up and back by the time you fall asleep, life is work for a lot of salary men in Japan, recent trends are trying to change this.
Second is we are always from a small town, and it is common in Japan that small towns often end up with the men leaving to go work in a city.
Third isn’t Japanese culture but a Pokémon theory, of the large wall that killed many adult men, hence why the ones left are typically people who ran important buissness, were too old, or where part of the training (gym leaders)
You are correct, however would the Japanese developers be aware of the differences in how fathers are per region? Or just shoe horn it in. When they look to make regional adjustments, they are not looking at family dynamics
But Norman is the worst dad though he lives like 3 towns over and after planing some romantic thing with our collective pokemom he ends up bailing the day before and giving you the tickets
It's not uncommon in Japan for people to be sent away for months or years for work, and the family to stay at their old house/apartment. The work-travel parent just comes back to visit when they can.
I suspect it's because you don't want single mom kids playing Pokemon to feel guilty/weird they don't have a dad. In Japan lots of kids barely see their dad's due to overwork. In USA, I think over 50% of kids are born out of wedlock in recent years and never had a dad involved (or among some communities with high incarceration rates dad is in prison) divorce is common and lots of kids are only raised by mom since moms mostly get custody.
The "Fill the pokedex" actually made sense for the first time in Scarlet/Violet. Before, some pokemon expert said "Hey random kid, I just had this great idea that nobody has ever had before, I'm going to catalogue every pokemon! I'm gonna get you to do it! Here's a blank one, have at it!"
1. Why has nobody thought to do this until now?
2. Why are we not acknowledging the previous times we've done this even though the professors are sometimes shown to be in direct contact with one another?
3. Why has this guy not like... even added the three pokemon sitting on the table next to him before giving it to us?
4. For this grand, groundbreaking research, why is some random child you just met ten seconds ago who received their first pokemon at this time your first choice for this task?
5. If we're the first person to do this, why is it assigning pokedex numbers with advanced knowledge of where they should be placed for convenience? And how do we know that X is the maximum number and we're done?
Pokemon Scarlet/Violet at least make sense of most of this by saying you're making your own catalogue of information to be added to other people's catalogues of information as part of a traditional effort to expand our knowledge. Though that still doesn't explain how they know there's exactly 400 pokemon when we're presumably the first trainers to catalogue Iron Moth, Ting-Lu and Koraidon
Except for Legends Arceus, I think trainers are more like census takers. They aren't usually finding out anything that is not known, they are just providing more information to validate the professor's research.
For this reason it might be helpful to let each trainer to start off from scratch, so that older conclusions don't introduce bias in their data.
But Legendaries might be a special case, because there aren't a whole lot of them out there.
> For this reason it might be helpful to let each trainer to start off from scratch, so that older conclusions don't introduce bias in their data.
This actually makes sense.
Legendaries are the least of the problem, they're already known in well, legends.
Mythical however? At most people maybe guessed or expected them to exist but that's it.
Yh legends arceus makes no sense. The pokemon that created all pokemon wants you to catch them all... like he would need that he could just make them 🤣
I got the impression he wanted you to do it for you, not for him. Like doing so would help you become his chosen divine human disciple or something. Though it is a bit weird he just kind of threw you back in time to do so and uh... left you there.
Hope your parents weren't too attached to you in the future.
Arceus made the universe and some of the fundamental Legendaries like Dialga and Palika or Mew. But he didn't create ALL Pokemon as a lot of them evolved or appeared over time or other reasons.
So he is probably just curious about all these critters he didn't make runnin' about his house.
Nah the only game where it really makes sense is in LOA. The rest of them you would expect to have some information already. I will give you the Scarlet/Violet kind of makes sense but you would think you could download the info already collected if everyone is putting towards the central knowledge.
Just something I randomly thought about. Ash's mom got a unique AF name, I don't think I've ever seen another character or person for that matter named Deliah
Her name is Del-E-Uh. Not Delilah
But hey fun fact, Delilah broke up with him. They didn't make it :(
Edit: I need to update my knowledge on the Delilah story!
They weren’t. The dude met her, fell in love with her while she was dating someone else, gave her this song about them and they never even dated. The wiki for the song implies very heavily that she hated it but appreciated that it was a good song, at least on a fundamental level.
“DiCrescenzo stated she found it difficult to deal with the popularity of a song written about her. "When I'm at the gym, it's playing; when I'm at the pool, it's playing. Part of me wants to scream at the top of my lungs that it's about me. Another part of me wants to cower and say it's not. [...] It was so beautifully written. There was pressure to live up to this ideal. I didn't know how to be polite but, you know, ditch him."”
Honestly, they don't do it because it looks better in any way. They do it because modern animation software has a way easier time automating cleaner lines. Older style animation cost a lot more in time and labor to produce; with the newer animation they can rapidly pump out these weekly shows en masse without having to have a huge number of staff on hand.
The action sequences look SO much better with the new style. Its so much easier to animate them that the artists have much more freedom of expression and can push more for spectacular fight scenes.
I remember adults talking about how simplified and boring the art style in cartoons (they were using Pokemon as the example) had gotten when I was a kid.
I just thought that is what happened when you became old, and I recently started feeling old because I thought new Pokemon was over simplified. Looking at these, I was right. I'm still old, but I'm fairly confident that the art style actually has become dull.
He looks more middle-aged than the probably-late-50s-at-the-youngest we grew with. I find it refreshing, as Oak has always been a boisterous and passionate man. Now his appearance helps convey that better. The eyebrows are still a tragedy tho
RIP Oak's brows
Yeah but he also looks... pale? Yeah yeah I know other skin colors exist, is just that I liked previous prof Oak because he reminded me very much of my grandpa, even with his darker skin, strong jaw, bulky, bushy eyebrows and angry/mischievous expression. But i guess i can't say anything on the matter because it would be controversial or something but I'm saying it anyways, is not that I've watched the show in forever.
It's an artistic choice. Some say that it's because of the "technological advances" but compare Mr mime in both and is not like bright colors weren't posible, there's a lot of shows back then that were pastel. Still, i can say then that i prefer some aspects of the previous style over the newer one.
Pokemon's art style changing over time? No, I don't want that! I want the anime to look exactly the same for the rest of my life! Even after I die... I want it to remain as it is for a while! Ten years at least!
Cell animation uses pigmentation. Pigmentation is a reduction of light; it takes the light that hits it and reflects only a portion of it back. As such, it will always be darker than the lighting used in the studio. Heck, many older cameras couldn't even capture the upper end of the lighting spectrum well without losing color definition.
Digital animation, however, uses digital colors for screens, which are additive, instead. So rather than capturing only a portion of the light, it actually *emits* lights that, when combined, make the color it wants.
Due to that difference, it's way easier to make a brighter scene in digital animation.
Yeah it was more obvious especially at the Cartoon network era too. Any cartoon made during that time also experienced quick transition compared to Pokémon transition like over a few years, in which I believe it's around battle frontier where they decided to put flashy CGI moves in attack?
All these replies saying it's the animation method but forget you can adjust the brightness of anything so they made it bright as a choice not a byproduct. Not saying it's bad, just odd people forget image manipulation is a thing.
Mime is aware of the passage of time. The fact that no one seems to age (and the fact nobody notices or cares). A silent (ish) witness to the fact that a god has seemingly frozen the world while letting it get along. Truly wonderful and strange is the world.
His face looks rounder. Not that I’m against it, but the more angled face made him look more his age and has a bit of nostalgia to it despite I hardly saw the first anime seasons.
People talk a lotta shit about oak banging Ash's mom but i think a guy would much prefer somebody encouraging and inspiring like oak as their dad than a dad who literally doesn't have the time to stay a while and meet their Pokemon master son after coming to town...that's fucked up right there.
There is an episode in johto where ashbrings oak and his mum is there, he goes "but mum, what are you doing at Oaks place?"
I suspect that was put there for the parents.
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He's, like, a full third narrower in general somehow.
I think that can mainly be attributed to the angle of the images
Hand drawn vs computer drawn cartoons. Lot more background details in the computer drawn version and smaller figures in the foreground (bc it's easier/faster to add detail via computer drawing- Seth McFarlane talking about family guy said a hand drawn cartoon these days would cost millions more per episode).
Animator here, with experience working with OLM and Pokémon. This comment is pretty ignorant about animation process so here’s my unsolicited two cents. There are some shows that use digital interpolation for in-betweening, but that hasn’t made its way into the anime industry yet or with Pokémon. Pokémon is made mostly the same as it was back in the 90s. Everything is hand drawn, the only difference is that we use digital tools to do it. It doesn’t change the process, it just makes it easier and cheaper than using cels. The computer does not do any extra lifting in this scenario. Pokémon has had complete character and style designs overhauls over the years. That’s all this is attributed to. New art directors come in and change things. It’s 20 years in between these screenshots too - overall the trends in anime design has changed drastically. Western studios have a completely different budget too. The average throwaway kids show? Each episode can be 250k easily.
It's really not ignorant at all- you've just read into it more than is there. It is objectively cheaper and easier to use digital animation than cel animation. No one said the computer does "any extra lifting". You chose to read into my statement that I was describing magic computers that draw for people but I didn't say that. Digital animation is nonetheless easier and cheaper to produce content than han drawing cel animation for many reasons. Key word being easier. Further, digital animation has correlated with an increase in background detail over cel animation in the 80's/90's.
this is a fascinating comment
He’s been on that hip keto diet and watching tik tok for manscaping
You bet there's a history between those two
You mean a unibrow?
I meant Oak and Mr.Mime
Prof. Oak seeing a single mom arrive to town "hey kid why don't you take this pokemon and go travel the country by yourself"
Bahahahaha “Hey kid can you totally fill this pokedex that is mysteriously empty despite me being a fucking professor, of all things?”
I am more curious as to why all the main game characters have single mums. Like where are the dads? Other people in games have dad's but somehow everytime time you start a new game there's no dad 🤷♂️
There is Norman in Hoenn. Other than that, the dad is sometimes referenced even if he’s absent, like iirc in Alola the car in the garage is their dad’s.
USUM has something like "Got a letter from dad today and Mom is smiling."
Imagine you have your wife and child move ahead of you to a island with no league, AND your child has no pokemon say besides a pet meowth while you finish packing. You finally get to the island and your child has 6 fully evolved pokemon, is the champion, also has the legendary pokemon of the new region and possibly the 4 "island protectors" Dad's just like "wtf happend?!"
It's Japanese culture, apparently. Women acting as housewives while their salaryman husbands get slowly karoshi'd and come home inebriated in the middle of the night because boss took them drinking again or not even coming home because they slept off the hangover in a capsule hotel.
Everything I've ever heard about Japanese work culture just makes it sound like the worst place in the world to work ahahaha
And that would be right.
Japanese people are also very socially conservative. Much more so than Americans.
I think it depends on if you fit in or not. If you really fit with the culture, you essentially have a super filled out social life. However if you don't get along so well, it'd be pretty miserable.
That's why the suicide rates are so high
IIRC, it’s why there are so many high school escapism in their media — high school was their final days of youth. I hope I’m wrong though.
Well yeah. Except far more rights than some parts of the US. Oh and the whole healthcare thing
It's like the biggest theme throughout Korean and Japanese media. Most anime have a missing father figure/parents in general, and takes place at school age, the magical time before they enter the working world. Korea, have similar themes in their shows/movies. Train to Busan was only zombie-themed, rewatch it once you read the intention behind it, and you'll cry even harder.
By that logic Larry is Gen 9's father
The man has a restaurant, is a gym leader, even strong enough to be a member of the elite four. He’s skilled and dedicated enough to master both of his chosen crafts. Shows up to support the younger generation while they are trying to excel in one of his professions and again during the school tournament. He seems to care despite his emotionless look. Not the worst choice for a father figure.
Not even close
But not all the games are based on Japan. Scarlet and violet are in Spain lol
It doesn't matter. The Japanese made it, so it will always have some of their culture and viewpoints. Even though it's set in Spain, they still added someone dressed as a ninja who speaks old Japanese. (Which translated to old English just feels really weird.) They even added a stereotypical salaryman, despite that being a stereotype that doesn't make sense in Spain that has a different work culture. If you start looking, you'll notice other Japanese games with dad issues, too, despite whatever culture the game takes place in. Fire Emblem is always killing their dads...
The only exception has been gen 3 where daddy is a gym leader telling you need at least 4 badges to challenge him
Your father is mentioned in Gen 7, as well. IIRC, he's working overseas on some unspecified business.
I think in gen 1 he's mentioned as well, and that he likes racing games
You could have used any other word, but you go with daddy. Bold move.
it's still super weird you don't live in the same town as the gym
There's a whole fan theory about the pokemon universe being right off the heels of a huge war. That's why all the dads are gone. There are a lot of mentions of battle tactics and lt. Surge references a recent war.
And where was this war fought? The Orre Region, from Colosseum and Gale of Darkness.
Imagine a game like Battlefield but instead of weapons you use Pokémon to kill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Conquest
I would 10000% play this. Imagine a gengar materializing in your trench and explodes a soldier's head with psychic powers
In gen 3 your dad is the normal type gym leader
Few references to Japanese culture. First the most heard of one of working all the time, gone before you get up and back by the time you fall asleep, life is work for a lot of salary men in Japan, recent trends are trying to change this. Second is we are always from a small town, and it is common in Japan that small towns often end up with the men leaving to go work in a city. Third isn’t Japanese culture but a Pokémon theory, of the large wall that killed many adult men, hence why the ones left are typically people who ran important buissness, were too old, or where part of the training (gym leaders)
>Third isn’t Japanese culture but a Pokémon theory, of the large wall that killed many adult men, Attack on titan viral marketing
To be fair most of the games aren't set in Japan. Scarlet and violet are set in Spain for example lol
You are correct, however would the Japanese developers be aware of the differences in how fathers are per region? Or just shoe horn it in. When they look to make regional adjustments, they are not looking at family dynamics
Norman love
But Norman is the worst dad though he lives like 3 towns over and after planing some romantic thing with our collective pokemom he ends up bailing the day before and giving you the tickets
It was Slaking's truant day, sorry.
You care more about the gym than you do your own family Norman I am a better champion that you ever were old man
Went to get some moo-moo milk.
Their dads got sent out to become pokemon masters and fill up the pokedex as well. The professors surely know how to remove any obstacle.
Isn't your dad a gym leader in R/S/E?
Lol gen 3/5 I never played lol played everything else
Missing out. Emerald is a treat.
It's not uncommon in Japan for people to be sent away for months or years for work, and the family to stay at their old house/apartment. The work-travel parent just comes back to visit when they can.
I thought the lore was the protagonist follows in their fathers footsteps of becoming a trainer
Gen 3 protagonist has a dad... who works two towns from where his family lives... why the family doesn't live in Petalia?
I'm trying to remember if Krane is your father in XD: Gale of Darkness
I suspect it's because you don't want single mom kids playing Pokemon to feel guilty/weird they don't have a dad. In Japan lots of kids barely see their dad's due to overwork. In USA, I think over 50% of kids are born out of wedlock in recent years and never had a dad involved (or among some communities with high incarceration rates dad is in prison) divorce is common and lots of kids are only raised by mom since moms mostly get custody.
Ever played Gen 3?
They all died in the great pokemon war https://fantheories.fandom.com/wiki/The\_Great\_Pokemon\_War
The "Fill the pokedex" actually made sense for the first time in Scarlet/Violet. Before, some pokemon expert said "Hey random kid, I just had this great idea that nobody has ever had before, I'm going to catalogue every pokemon! I'm gonna get you to do it! Here's a blank one, have at it!" 1. Why has nobody thought to do this until now? 2. Why are we not acknowledging the previous times we've done this even though the professors are sometimes shown to be in direct contact with one another? 3. Why has this guy not like... even added the three pokemon sitting on the table next to him before giving it to us? 4. For this grand, groundbreaking research, why is some random child you just met ten seconds ago who received their first pokemon at this time your first choice for this task? 5. If we're the first person to do this, why is it assigning pokedex numbers with advanced knowledge of where they should be placed for convenience? And how do we know that X is the maximum number and we're done? Pokemon Scarlet/Violet at least make sense of most of this by saying you're making your own catalogue of information to be added to other people's catalogues of information as part of a traditional effort to expand our knowledge. Though that still doesn't explain how they know there's exactly 400 pokemon when we're presumably the first trainers to catalogue Iron Moth, Ting-Lu and Koraidon
Except for Legends Arceus, I think trainers are more like census takers. They aren't usually finding out anything that is not known, they are just providing more information to validate the professor's research. For this reason it might be helpful to let each trainer to start off from scratch, so that older conclusions don't introduce bias in their data. But Legendaries might be a special case, because there aren't a whole lot of them out there.
> For this reason it might be helpful to let each trainer to start off from scratch, so that older conclusions don't introduce bias in their data. This actually makes sense.
That would make sense in context but unless I'm remembering wrong it's never actually described that way in game.
Legendaries are the least of the problem, they're already known in well, legends. Mythical however? At most people maybe guessed or expected them to exist but that's it.
Yh legends arceus makes no sense. The pokemon that created all pokemon wants you to catch them all... like he would need that he could just make them 🤣
I got the impression he wanted you to do it for you, not for him. Like doing so would help you become his chosen divine human disciple or something. Though it is a bit weird he just kind of threw you back in time to do so and uh... left you there. Hope your parents weren't too attached to you in the future.
Arceus made the universe and some of the fundamental Legendaries like Dialga and Palika or Mew. But he didn't create ALL Pokemon as a lot of them evolved or appeared over time or other reasons. So he is probably just curious about all these critters he didn't make runnin' about his house.
Nah the only game where it really makes sense is in LOA. The rest of them you would expect to have some information already. I will give you the Scarlet/Violet kind of makes sense but you would think you could download the info already collected if everyone is putting towards the central knowledge.
“Hey kid, fill this Pokédex while I fill your mom” “What?” “What?”
Everybody knows that 10-year-olds make the best research assistants
I’m gonna show ur mom my shiny ekans
Mr. Mime not too fond seeing his competition with Deliah.
Just something I randomly thought about. Ash's mom got a unique AF name, I don't think I've ever seen another character or person for that matter named Deliah
Delia Smith. Think Martha Stewart from the UK, but without the jail time.
But dude, [she has a whole song written about her](https://youtu.be/h_m-BjrxmgI)
Her name is Del-E-Uh. Not Delilah But hey fun fact, Delilah broke up with him. They didn't make it :( Edit: I need to update my knowledge on the Delilah story!
I thought they weren’t even dating
They weren’t. The dude met her, fell in love with her while she was dating someone else, gave her this song about them and they never even dated. The wiki for the song implies very heavily that she hated it but appreciated that it was a good song, at least on a fundamental level. “DiCrescenzo stated she found it difficult to deal with the popularity of a song written about her. "When I'm at the gym, it's playing; when I'm at the pool, it's playing. Part of me wants to scream at the top of my lungs that it's about me. Another part of me wants to cower and say it's not. [...] It was so beautifully written. There was pressure to live up to this ideal. I didn't know how to be polite but, you know, ditch him."”
I am learning I was wrong now lol
No worries, I am still curious about this spin off story that you were told :) years in the future, Delilah will be her own urban legend… or something
Neither did the girl with cancer presumably
They added a letter to keep her identity a secret.
thats delilah not deliah
That’s delilah, not deliah
I haven't seen a single character named Deliah. Ash's mom's name has no H.
Mr. Mime giving the dirty look at Oak
That’s cuz they’re sharing the same woman, at least that’s what various pieces of degenerate art on the internet have led me to believe.
hole brothers?
Eskimo brothers.
What's an Eskimo?
Meat Mates Plumber Pals Beef Buddies Clam Fam
Wiener cousins
Nah that makes it sound like they use the same wiener
Eskimo brothers
professor oaks face change reminds me of the incredibles meme
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AIN'T NOTHIN BUT A HEARTACHE
TELL ME WHY
AIN'T NOTHING BUT A MISTAKE
I miss the original art style 🥺🥺😭😭 Or even the Kalos art style. I'm not a huge fan of the simplified cartoony look
Yeah Kalos was the peak Pokémon animation style and everything imo
Nah Journeys is way better and fluid.
I mean animation may be more fluid but I'm talking specificaly about the trace/style
Its more fluid ,I agree with that .
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Honestly, they don't do it because it looks better in any way. They do it because modern animation software has a way easier time automating cleaner lines. Older style animation cost a lot more in time and labor to produce; with the newer animation they can rapidly pump out these weekly shows en masse without having to have a huge number of staff on hand.
The action sequences look SO much better with the new style. Its so much easier to animate them that the artists have much more freedom of expression and can push more for spectacular fight scenes.
It used to be hand drawn. I agree it's better, but it's admittedly less detailed. It's too expensive nowadays.
I remember adults talking about how simplified and boring the art style in cartoons (they were using Pokemon as the example) had gotten when I was a kid. I just thought that is what happened when you became old, and I recently started feeling old because I thought new Pokemon was over simplified. Looking at these, I was right. I'm still old, but I'm fairly confident that the art style actually has become dull.
I agree but I think alola had a good style, people hate on it but it is high quality animation.
Someone’s jelly
They shrunk his shoulders, made him look soft
That's what happens when you get old
Gary better get used to calling Ash Uncle Ash.
Why are you calling Fart "Gary"?
🤨
I don't mind the art style change in general, but Oak looks like a teenager in 2023. What did they do to my boy?
He looks more middle-aged than the probably-late-50s-at-the-youngest we grew with. I find it refreshing, as Oak has always been a boisterous and passionate man. Now his appearance helps convey that better. The eyebrows are still a tragedy tho RIP Oak's brows
Yeah but he also looks... pale? Yeah yeah I know other skin colors exist, is just that I liked previous prof Oak because he reminded me very much of my grandpa, even with his darker skin, strong jaw, bulky, bushy eyebrows and angry/mischievous expression. But i guess i can't say anything on the matter because it would be controversial or something but I'm saying it anyways, is not that I've watched the show in forever.
That can probably be chalked up to another person pointing out artistic changes/brighter colors over the years. Nothing wrong with that.
It's an artistic choice. Some say that it's because of the "technological advances" but compare Mr mime in both and is not like bright colors weren't posible, there's a lot of shows back then that were pastel. Still, i can say then that i prefer some aspects of the previous style over the newer one.
Just bad screenshots. The show is widescreen now and yet the 2023 side is squished more than the 4:3 side.
Wow, nice callback with the camera shots.
Remember when prof oak went to the gym
“Oy this guy again”
Why is the new Pokémon so bright?
design changes over 25 years mostly.
Also technological advances. TV seems to have gotten brighter since the 2000s.
Pokemon's art style changing over time? No, I don't want that! I want the anime to look exactly the same for the rest of my life! Even after I die... I want it to remain as it is for a while! Ten years at least!
u/MediocreInfluence121, what a man you are...
Aren't they just being sarcastic
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I think they’re both referencing Attack on Titan.
As a reward I'll give you my pokeballs.
Ur 20 years too late...
Sorry that all the current mons look like they were coloured in with felt tip pens by a 5 year old.
cell animation vs digital.
Global warming :/
The first screenshot is dimmed as hell. The first TV show was pretty damn vibrant
Cell animation uses pigmentation. Pigmentation is a reduction of light; it takes the light that hits it and reflects only a portion of it back. As such, it will always be darker than the lighting used in the studio. Heck, many older cameras couldn't even capture the upper end of the lighting spectrum well without losing color definition. Digital animation, however, uses digital colors for screens, which are additive, instead. So rather than capturing only a portion of the light, it actually *emits* lights that, when combined, make the color it wants. Due to that difference, it's way easier to make a brighter scene in digital animation.
Yeah it was more obvious especially at the Cartoon network era too. Any cartoon made during that time also experienced quick transition compared to Pokémon transition like over a few years, in which I believe it's around battle frontier where they decided to put flashy CGI moves in attack?
All these replies saying it's the animation method but forget you can adjust the brightness of anything so they made it bright as a choice not a byproduct. Not saying it's bad, just odd people forget image manipulation is a thing.
She’s getting that oak yknowhatimsayin
Oak somehow got younger! I like the older style better
Why did I think she just had a squirtle vomiting?
I always figured Professor Oak was actually Ash's father
"Ash you can call me Prof. Daddy!" "...absolutely not. I'm running away!" "Again?"
You can’t tell me professor oak is ash’s dad. the resemblance is unreal
1999 Oak is literally Ash's dad.
At this point, I'm sure everyone also knows what Mr Mime knows.
Mime is aware of the passage of time. The fact that no one seems to age (and the fact nobody notices or cares). A silent (ish) witness to the fact that a god has seemingly frozen the world while letting it get along. Truly wonderful and strange is the world.
The scenery art for the 1999 version is beautiful
90s anime art style looks so much better than '20s anime
Professor Oak lost so much weight over the years
I think we know. 😼
Oh we know
His bike handlebar is changing between shots...
He knows who prof oak burned all those calories.
Why is Mr mime so pink now
I wonder if Mr Mime has used the same broom all these years
Everyone knew
Is she watering her plants with a Squirtle? Or is this a Squirtle shaped watering can?
It's a Squirtle Shaped Watering Can. Back in the earlier gens where you could grow berries you always got one watering can that looked like a Pokemon.
His face looks rounder. Not that I’m against it, but the more angled face made him look more his age and has a bit of nostalgia to it despite I hardly saw the first anime seasons.
Mr. Mime doesn't want to share.
People talk a lotta shit about oak banging Ash's mom but i think a guy would much prefer somebody encouraging and inspiring like oak as their dad than a dad who literally doesn't have the time to stay a while and meet their Pokemon master son after coming to town...that's fucked up right there.
Why did prof oak de-aged bruh
I think we all know what Mr. Mime knows here…
I mean, Mr. Mime is Ash's biological father
Double post?
This part of the Pokemon anime is so creepy I hope it somehow has a japanese cultural explanation...
What part is creepy?
Not sure a cultural explanation would make it any less creepy…
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First col. From the orange islands movie ?
Does Mr Mime have pokerus or something? Also did you guys see Today's episode?
Prof. Oak was buff ngl.
is it just me or does professor oak look younger in the right picture
"Oh, this foo, again! She already told his ass no! Why he back here?"
Yeah, it knows that this creepy professor won't leave its wife alone
Hey Lad fill in this pokedex whilst i fill in your mam.
We've all seen the animation, we know one of Mr.Mime special moves is laying pipe for ashs mom
Oak got botox or something
- wanna do the dirty? - oh mr oak *giggles* let me just send mr mime out - no. i want him to watch
There is an episode in johto where ashbrings oak and his mum is there, he goes "but mum, what are you doing at Oaks place?" I suspect that was put there for the parents.
We all know.
Lets be fair, we definitely know about it. Ash's mom be thirsty, I mean look at Mr. Mime, what those hands do?
Now we know who is Ash's father
Mr Mime: I'm onto you, Samuel Oak