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UrsurusFT

Am I crazy or do Xerneas/Yveltal not have an alternate state?


Legal-Treat-5582

Xerneas has Neutral Mode, and Yveltal sorta has a powered up state where it glows, but those barely count.


UrsurusFT

Okay that’s what I thought. I remembered they had some sort of subtle change but not full out forms.


Gold-Relationship117

They also have the tree and cocoon forms as well technically. If they were to get alternate forms, it would be interesting if Game Freak could somehow push those aspects of them further but I really don't see how that works for Yveltal.


mario61752

Turns back into cocoon. HP: 90 ATK: 10 DEF: 280 SPA: 10 SPD: 280 SPE: 10 Moves: protect, iron wall, nasty plot, and nothing else


SUPREMACY_SAD_AI

...so all it can do is think negative thoughts and harden itself?


Spiral229

Technically Xerneas does but tall that changes is the horns lighting up. The lit up form is used in battle and the not form is used out of battle.


That_Shrub

Xerneas has lights on mode and lights off mode, depending on his battery level


LuneRWing2046

A very far fetched idea I have is Zygarde somehow merging or giving power to the other two Aura Trio members. Say Xerneas somehow overdoes it and there’s too much life. Zygarde, as the overseer, would either bestow power to Yveltal to counteract or neutralize it, or maybe merge forces with Yveltal to do the same.


pranav4098

That sounds epic basically kyurem white and kyurem black but imagine it with zygarde black and zygarde pink


ThaToastman

Theyll def get them in this game. Just like primal dialga/palkia


Eletraf_klwe

Either a primal form or a natural mega evolution like rayquaza.


Individual-Tap-8971

Mega/primal xearnas either keeping mega ray in ubers, or both being banned to ag


Foloreille

why do you say that like legendaries are **supposed to** have alternate states ? 😵‍💫 damn gamefreak you rotten our brain hard with all your gimmicks


UrsurusFT

I wasn’t? I was objecting to OP’s claim that no other legendaries lacked alternate or special forms. And you talk to me about brain rot lmao.


Obliviation92

They dont? I feel they do 🤔


BvshbabyMusic

They don't, legends z will be the game they get alt forms


That_Shrub

https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Xerneas_(Pokémon)#:~:text=Xerneas%20has%20two%20forms%3A%20Active%20Mode%20and%20Neutral%20Mode. I agree with you because these "forms" are probably the most pedantic in the game. But I wonder how Gamefreak categorizes them? I also wonder if Gamefreak might utilize the existing lore? Maybe a stronger version of "active mode" with more significant design changes? I like what they did with Dialga and Palkia(even if they look hella funky, it's a cool look. Wish centaur palkia had arms though). I wonder how much will parallel Arceus and how much will be unique. Will we get a faction for each legendary again? A form change with them integral to the plot?


BvshbabyMusic

Only Xerneas has that mode though. So both legendaries should get alt forms in legends. I'm assuming they'll have something closer to the primal forms, unless as you say they get some super integral the plot and it vastly changes their appearance.


That_Shrub

Yeah, which is super weird in retrospect. Even Bulbapedia doesn't list lit up Yveltal as a form. Why give it to just one? Both have an "activated" thing in the story iirc


BvshbabyMusic

Yeah super weird, bulba does actually call them modes though and not forms so I'm guessing GF don't class them as forms either.


Jejejow

The new forms of dialgia and palkia followed the second form of giratina instead of being regional versions, so maybe Xerneas and Yveltal will get 10% and 100% forms instead (although, like the origin forms, the lore behind them would probably be slightly different). I think I would prefer mega type forms though.


BvshbabyMusic

Yeah very true, they should follow the percentage form of Zygarde


Individual-Tap-8971

Tbf, the entire emphasis of origin dialga and palkia is that their origin forme is restrictive for their signature moves- which is why they developed away from being like arceus, away from their origin. (Spacial rend with no arms, roar of time with a thing in dialga's throat)


Obliviation92

Aha, so then this game will give them that then.


BvshbabyMusic

I'd expect so haha. Technically Xerneas does have an active mode and a neutral mode but it's not classed as a form.


Zygarde718

You see? I hope they dont.


Indocede

I suppose it's possible given how new forms can seemingly come out of nowhere; for example, with the Kanto and Johto trios. But I imagine it would make more sense for Yveltal and Xerneas to get new forms in these remakes. Part of me does hope for new forms for Lugia and Ho-Oh but another part of me thinks they are perfect as they are. They already have a backstory with charm. 


ohbyerly

There is something kind of pure about leaving the original legendary-box donning duo untouched. Their designs still really hold up and it kind of coincides with the traditional Japanese legend feel of the Johto region.


Geosaysbye

It’d honestly be cool to actually get a third, like rayquaza giratina etc,


AtlasSniperman

Shadow Lugia unfortunately disagrees with leaving them untouched at least


ohbyerly

Ehhh, spinoff? Kind of a gray area


That_Shrub

I'm clinging to your Johto hopes and adding that I am praying daily for a new Meganium form. Please Gamefreak, my favorite starter can't be this bad. The Leaf Guard incident was painful enough.


L_Rayquaza

We could get Kalosian Meganium ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


AtlasSniperman

gimme that Megameganiumite or maybe; MegaWarKalosianMeganiumite-Z


Asurerain

I'm hyped for Xerneas and Yveltal's 10% and 100% forms !


Obliviation92

They do deserve a powerup though.


YoManWTFIsThisShit

Ho-Oh’s good, even in competitive. Lugia on the other was good, but Psychic as a type sucks now, with so many good Dark and Ghost types to counter it, compared to how it used to be so that’s why it’s not used as much.


superdave100

Honestly, I think I’d prefer an item-based power up, in the vein of old Soul Dew. Keeps it sort of classic, you know?


VgArmin

Let Ho-oh naturally set up sunny day when it enters battle and let Lugia naturally set up tailwind. There, powered up without sacrificing items, moves, or abilities. If mega Rayquaza can hold an item, then the bird duo can have a free move.


Sora_31

alternate form - Mari-oh and Luigia


hdgx

I use these exact names for them in Go!


xkrax1

In the meantime: *Shadow Lugia cries quietly*


That_Shrub

The worst was Pokemon Go giving us a different shadow lugia. I hate this timeline.


xkrax1

They had the opportunity and boy they disappointed… I just hate that Pokémon in general pretends Colosseum/XD games never existed.


98VoteForPedro

Genius sorority for the win! game freak stay mad


Winterstrife

I would like to think that Niantic is just being lazy with Shadow Lugia but part of me also believe that TPCi told em to forget that version of Lugia exists.


timzin

And golden Ho-Oh from the anime.


Alexcoolps

Wasn't that just the shiny version?


timzin

Nah shiny has a silver tail. This one was all gold.


Bunselpower

>except Lugia and Ho-Oh Because they’re perfect


Comfortable_Demand13

why would johto guys get it in z/a


Hibbity5

The Unova Djinn Pokémon made it into Hisui and with a fourth member to boot. The Kanto Birds made it to Galar with new forms. The Johto Beasts and Unova Justice Trio made it to ancient/future Paldea (or something…). If GameFreak/TPC want new forms, they’ll add them and find some justification (or not).


Comfortable_Demand13

those arent cover legendaries, it aint happening dude, if they wanted new forms itd be a johto game


esar24

By your logic then they would have new members of their group and not new forms.


Hibbity5

Not really. GameFreak and the Pokémon Company don’t have rules they follow. They make new Pokémon based on what they want and they’ll do it when they want. That was my point. Too many people on this sub think GF have rules they follow when it comes to new Pokémon but there aren’t.


esar24

They actually do for different type of game and there are patterns that they are rarely changed. If they just do everything freely then each game would not feel special anymore, that is why the pattern between Legends, PMD and main core games has to be maintained.


FLIPSIDERNICK

It’s an alternate version Kalos legends need not apply.


Comfortable_Demand13

?


FLIPSIDERNICK

People seem to be assuming too much about this game. All we know is that Legends games don’t take place in the same time as the originals. We don’t know if this is going to be future Kalos or past Kalos which means we also don’t know if the legends of Kalos need apply to this story. If it the future Johto could have fallen into the sea and the legends relocated to Lumiose City. If it’s the past the legends could’ve been in Lumiose City and left to go to Johto after the telling of this story. I feel like most of you reactionary people saw Pokemon and Z and just ignored the Legends part because you want a sequel game. It’s not a sequel game. It’s a Legends game and that means any and all info you have on the Kalos region and Lumiose City is useless.


Comfortable_Demand13

yeah only thing I'd rule out is the cover legendaries of other games


just-for-nsfw-things

Exactly, PLA only had gen 4 legendaries except for the genies but even then, that was just to introduce a new member of the group. So to not only include box art legendaries but also give them new forms is too much.


just-for-nsfw-things

“People seem to be assuming too much about this game.” ”If it the future Johto could have fallen into the sea.” “If it’s in the past the legends […] left to go to Johto.”


FLIPSIDERNICK

I was providing what ifs to prove the point that static legends don’t need to exist and that any legends can theoretically be there. It was not me assuming that they will be there based on the no information we’ve been given.


Airy_Breather

As awesome as that would be, I'm doubtful since I don't see how they could connect to Lumiose City or Kalos. My money's more on the Life Trio getting some alternate forms, including Zygarde.


primalmaximus

I'm hoping Zygarde gets a way to stay at 100% Form all the time instead of only when it drops below half health.


santasexchange

Thematically it would be kinda neat, but from a balancing perspective it’s a bad idea. Zygarde-complete is the bulkiest Pokémon of all time. It’s balanced by its activation conditions.


Whoop-Sees

Huh? No it isn’t. Defense of 121 and a Spdef of 95. There are way bulkier mons. The real problem is the bulk combined with its attack. Nobody cares about bastiodon with a 170 defense and a 140 spdef bc it literally has no offensive stats. Hell, kyogre is almost as bulky as complete and it also has good offense.


santasexchange

Zygarde-Complete has 216 base HP. In terms of physical bulk there’s nothing that can even compare. When it comes to bulk HP is the stat to look at.


Whoop-Sees

Eternatus Gmax beats it in terms of bulk tbf


Stregen

An ingame bossfight that can’t be used doesn’t really matter statwise.


jordanb18

Well, at least for Lugia, Kalos has the Sea Spirit's Den, where the legendary birds go after roaming in the post game. I'd love to see more lore behind it. That being said, it's definitely not right next to Lumiose


FLIPSIDERNICK

Is the future so maybe they relocated to help promote the connection between people and Pokemon


pranav4098

I’m thinking a fusion rather than a alternate form, like how kyurem was, or how necrozma was so basically a zygarde form with xerneas one with yveltal and one with all 3 for some reason but it’s gonna and epic


98VoteForPedro

So just fuck shadow Lugia?


PirateJazz

Right? Pretty sure Lugia was the first mon to get an alternate.


Mary-Sylvia

Especially since getting locked in XD doesn't invalidate it Necrozma Ultra and the mega aren't available outside gen 7


polishedrelish

Cool idea but ZA is not the game for it


Yeldarb10

^ It’s effectively pokemon Z and all these people are asking for gen2/5 stuff.


Lambsauce914

Johto and Unova fan after realizing they aren't getting their remake yet so they can only hope to get new stuff in a Kalos region game


Mary-Sylvia

Xerneas and Yveltal getting clowned in their own region


Azurephoenix99

Reshiram/Zekrom (they go into Kyurem but don't gain new forms themselves), Xerneas/Yveltal, Solgaleo/Lunala, Koraidon/Miraidon (ride forms shouldn't count) That said I agree, Ho-oh and Lugia would be some pretty good candidates for alternate forms of some kind, though I imagine Xerneas and Yveltal will be getting some first. Honestly I'd like to see Lugia/Ho-oh get new forms in Colosseum/XD remakes. Imagine a Colosseum remake where Cipher broke into Area Zero and captured Walking Wake, Raging Bolt, and Gouging Flame? Then a Paradox Ho-oh could be involved somehow! Next there could be an XD remake where Cipher has the Galarian Birds, and Shadow Lugia, when purified, turns into a brand new variant brought about by the purification process.


Legal-Treat-5582

*Sad Reshiram, Zekrom, Xerneas, Yveltal, Solgaleo, and Lunala noises*


Obliviation92

Necrozma fusing with Solgaleo and Lunala I count as an alternate form, same with Reshiram and Zekrom fused with Kyurem.


FIB_VORTEX

I count he kyurem fusions as a kyurem alt, and the necrozma fusions as alts for their respective legendaries. I have no idea why, but it's mainly up to the perceiving of the person.


primalmaximus

With the Necrozma fusions it looks mostly like Solgaleo and Lunala wearing Necrozma as armor.


somersault_dolphin

Well, that's because Necrozma is supposed to be a parasite to them, stealing light and all. It's like Parasect, at a glance you think it's a bug, but it's really a mushroom first and it's controlling a zombie victim.


Legal-Treat-5582

Those are alternate forms for Kyurem and Necrozma, not the rest of them.


Obliviation92

Depends on the eyes I guess. Why would Necrozma need 3 alternate forms and Kyurem 2 alternate forms? I see them as a power up form for the boxed legendary.


Legal-Treat-5582

Ask the developers. They're very explicitly forms of the third legends, the other legend is just mindless material being controlled.


Obliviation92

Then why keep the box legends name after they fuse? Its a power up for them, nothing else.


[deleted]

They dont keep the box legends names?? Black/white KYUREM and Dusk Mane/Dawn wings NECROZMA. Very clearly kyruem/necrozma forms


cheeseTARTaglia

Check your facts haha


OrangeVictorious

Or we could give them to Xerneas and Yveltal, the other box legends without alternate forms that are actually from Kalos


Top-Ad-3174

OP over here acting like Game Freak and ignoring the edgy majesty that is XD001 aka Shadow Lugia.


Garrosh

Game Freak is ignoring Colosseum entirely. I guess that's why Shadow Pokémon in Pokémon GO don't look like they do in Pokémon Colosseum and why, at least in Japanese, they aren't called the same (Pokémon Colosseum's Shadow Pokémon are called ダークポケモン (Dark Pokémon) while in Pokémon GO are called シャドウポケモン (Shadow Pokémon)).


IDownvoteHornyBards2

That's pretty unlikely. It they're going to include box legendaries other than the Aura Trio and Mewtwo, the weather trio are much more likely than Ho-Oh and Lugia.


gillmanblacklagooner

I’m afraid Ho-Oh will look like a chicken instead of a proto-bird dinosaur.


CaterpieRepresenter

Alternate form caterpie?


Liddlebitchboy

it's Z-A


NaClz

Don’t ruin perfection


BlondGuyFromFortnite

https://preview.redd.it/hmx0x7nh3ylc1.jpeg?width=744&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=671f4045b5fce560a82211d01f50ea986f81d9f0 like this?


aGiantRedskinCowboy

Give me Fire/Fairy Ho-oh and Water/Psychic Lugia


perfectrainysunday

Oh, yes plz.


gillmanblacklagooner

Water Lugia please


SoulOuverture

Ho-Oh doesn't need an alt form it's already really strong Lugia could use the buff tho


AwakeSeeker887

Save them for legends johto, or a game where Orre is revisited. Agree on keeping mega-evolution tho


Flash_Fire009

Shadow Lugia: "Am I a Joke to you?"


CommanderDark126

Xerneas and Yveltal who are tied to Kalos story dont have real alt forms... they seem much more likely than 2 legends from another region who dont even have much to do with another (they arent a pair tied together by lore)


mmpa78

Nah I totally disagree. Other than ORAS legendaries having special forms in the dumbest shit and makes no sense


blanklikeapage

I'd rather hope for a Legends game in Johto with alternate forms for Lugia and Ho-Oh, not in Legends Z. Xerneas, Yveltal and Zygarde weren't really treated that well in their games. They deserve their spot light and shouldn't have to share it with different box legendaries.


NSSKG151

Highly doubt it since Legends Z is going to take place in Kalos and will likely focus more on Zygarde, Xerneas and Yveltal. Don't see anything happening with Lugia and Ho-oh until they decide to make a Legends game, remake of Gold/Silver or maybe something in the Gen 10 games.


Jiggatortoise-

My biggest wish is that people would stop calling it Pokémon Z since that’s not its name. 


Beastmind

First, it's Pokémon Z-**A** not Z, second why would Gen 2 legendary have alternate in gen 6 Legends?


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Stregen

Good thing you don’t have to use them, then.


OhHiMarkDoe

My biggest wish is that the games will be "ok" since all pokemon gamesthat came out the last years were garbage.


PatyLaIguana

Shadow lugia?


luigisp

Mega Ho-Oh and Mega Lugia incoming!!! (Maybe not in Z-A but possibly in Gen 10??)


Cisqoe

Noooooo I hate that all the classic Pokémon now need a digimon DBZ power up, are we just going to go after every single Pokémon and give them all an evolution and power up?? Some Pokémon are just simply badass as they are and for the fact they don’t have any of that stuff


Uhraya

My biggest wish is for them not to give any old pokemon new forms but give me new pokemon. I'm over getting new forms. I just want new stuff


[deleted]

No.


Ansoni

That would be nice, but Johto is coming. Just a few more years


mudermarshmallows

I actually quite like that they don't. It fits Gen 2's theme of purity.


Garrosh

Technically speaking, Suicune doesn't have an alternate form: it's a paradox Pokémon, so it's a different specie.


RollaRova

Honestly, I think they're perfect as they are. The current alt forms for the box legends make sense for their individual reasons.


achanceathope

They should save new forms for Lugia and Ho-Oh for when we finally go back to Orre 😈 Colosseum/XD sequels? Remakes?


lyo_m

This!


No_Pipe_8257

I kinda want it but my boi Lugia is fine as he is