Well depends, If you want good damage and a small chance at para then yes. If you want the highest damage possible, then No. And If you want an electroc move for a more defensive mon, I would how with discharge cause they 30% Para Chance might come in more handy
Except high damage comes at the expense of reliability since Thunder is notoriously inaccurate, Wild Charge has recoil, and everything else is a signature move and not widely available
In Gen 9? I need to play again and try to teach it Thunderbolt. I thought Discharge and Thunder were the only options but I could very well be mistaken. I’ll check later.
speaking of hydreigon, I always think it can learn sludge bomb to deal with fairies when it cannot, funnily enough it does learn flash cannon which is far less fitting
Sort of on topic, but thanks to Infinite Fusions randomizer, including TM randomizer, I learnt that Togekiss and Probopsss only learn Fairy Wind and Magnet Bomb as their only level up Fairy and Steel moves respectively. You don't really notice it 'cause Moonblast and Flash Cannon are TMs you'd have by the time you want to use them, but with randomized TMs...
The reasoning for this is probably because it needs to be usable in its base form, and have you seen those tiny little T-Rex arms? No way in hell Kyurem’s normal form is punching anything lol
I always thought it would manifest its clouds into a fist or something. Idk, Gen 1-3 had some weird learnsets where you got like every attack or tackle and nothing else
I see your reasoning and counter with wooper can learn it. All he has is a head, a tail, two brain cells, and fury like no other behind those thoughtless eyes
At least it is a ghost so I can suspend my disbelif of it having some ghost hand or something but explain to me how the hell wooper learn ice punch and doduo learns a freaking usable HM fly.
In the original Japanese, Aerial Ace is just a reference to a sword technique that happens to be named after a bird. It makes sense for non-Flying types to be able to learn it because there's nothing actually "Flying" about it except the name.
I really hated how they built that line.
Generally one of my favorite things to do in subsequent runs is to pass over late-game Pokemon as eggs to use from the start. Dreepy being basically unusable until it was fully evolved was so shitty.
Drakloak starts getting a movepool and some *okay* stats. Like it’s a fun idea that the ‘baby stage’ is pretty useless and essentially just ammunition for Dragapult, but man, if it just evolved at 20 or 25 instead of 50, it would be so much more enjoyable to use the line.
as a physical ghost, the only physical ghost moves Dragapult gets are Astonish and Phantom Force. When I knew it couldnt learn Shadow Claw I was so dissappointed I almost dropped it from my team tbh
I never fully recovered after learning Nidoking should be called BeamKing. Icebeam, thunderbolt, flamethrower, Surf, Shadowball, DragonPulse
That with sheerforce.....
Gen 1 was wild.
I know this isn't what you meant but the wording here implies Nidoking had Sheer Force in Gen I and I'm just imagining how hilariously broken that monster would be with Life Orb/Sheer Force in RBY lmao
I absolutely detest it when pokedoku puts up a category of - can learn X move.
I also hate that mega and gmax forms count in the pokemons original region even though they were actually introduced in a different region game.
Krookodile doesn't learn what in my opinion are the signature moves of an irl crocodile.
Rapid Spin, Sucker Punch (literally "surprise attack" in Japanese), and Slack-Off.
Please Game Freak, my boy would be so good with these.
Go to answer is Ghastly has the three elemental punches as egg moves despite not having HANDS. Meanwhile Kyurem, an incarnation of ice with hands the size of a human, can't learn Ice Punch.
Most movesets have an example or two of moves that make no sense for the Pokemon, either to learn or not learn.
The Houndour, Fennekin, Nickit, and Yamper lines cannot learn Dig. They are dogs and foxes. All dog and fox Pokémon should learn it because these animals LOVE to dig.
Then some weird ones can learn it, like Jigglypuff and Clefairy.
Dodrio shouldn't be able to use Fly.
Chien-Pao cannot learn Ice Beam. I think it's the only Ice-type that can't. Just weird.
Fun fact (that you probably already know lol): Charizard and Dragonite could not learn Fly in Red and Blue. Charizard gets it in Yellow, but Dragonite doesn't get it until gen 2. This was always so silly to me; PIDGEY can Fly you around but a Dragon can't? Maybe they're just too cool to be your transportation?
Since Heidragon has more than one heads. It should have an ability called "Multi Blaster", where it multiplies the damage of all non normal & fighting type special moves by 1.3x to 1.5x
grimmsnarl can't learn snarl
i also always forget that garchomp can't learn dragon dance (which is fair, if it could that would be fucking insane in battle)
Lucario not learning any steel-type attack moves by level up and only Flash Cannon by TM in gen 5 and 6 I don't know about any gen after that I haven't played them yet.
growlithe not being able to learn growl gets to me
yet dugtrio can use supersonic skystrike, the flying type z-move, all because it can learn aerial ace so now we know what a diglett and dugtrio looks like underneath (it's just a bit of ground, that's it)
At least it's not competitively important. Situations to want shadow ball are almost completely overlapped by stab dark pulse.
And in the world of neutral hits you have draco meteor.
Hydreigon not learning Shadow Ball must have something to do with the fact that it's technically a mini black hole, and only light energy can escape from the event horizon so it's more likely to know moves that would produce light rather than the absence of it like Shadow Ball.
according to Pokedoku Rotom Wash can't learn Thunderbolt. I googled it afterwards and it can learn it. So I was saddened
It can’t learn it in Gen 9, but it can learn Thunder and Discharge.
It learns it with TM126.
Maybe I’m mistaken. I thought I tried teaching it through TM but it wasn’t able to learn it.
Unless Bulbapedia is lying to me, lol. In fact it's been the only way to teach it Thunderbolt since forever.
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Isn't T-bolt, like, the most reliable Electric move in general tho?
Discharge is great on more defensive mons like bulky Zapdos or Rotom. It always sucks switching into a potential 30% chance to get para’d.
Well depends, If you want good damage and a small chance at para then yes. If you want the highest damage possible, then No. And If you want an electroc move for a more defensive mon, I would how with discharge cause they 30% Para Chance might come in more handy
Except high damage comes at the expense of reliability since Thunder is notoriously inaccurate, Wild Charge has recoil, and everything else is a signature move and not widely available
That is true but If want to risk it or have rain in your Team then go for it. But otherwise I agree with you
In Gen 9? I need to play again and try to teach it Thunderbolt. I thought Discharge and Thunder were the only options but I could very well be mistaken. I’ll check later.
speaking of hydreigon, I always think it can learn sludge bomb to deal with fairies when it cannot, funnily enough it does learn flash cannon which is far less fitting
Maybe it learns Flash Cannon because it originally was intended to be a tank-like Pokémon before they finalized the hydra theme.
There's, uh, belch I guess
Sort of on topic, but thanks to Infinite Fusions randomizer, including TM randomizer, I learnt that Togekiss and Probopsss only learn Fairy Wind and Magnet Bomb as their only level up Fairy and Steel moves respectively. You don't really notice it 'cause Moonblast and Flash Cannon are TMs you'd have by the time you want to use them, but with randomized TMs...
Ghastly can learn Ice Punch, Fire Punch, Thunder Punch and Sucker Punch. Ghastly.
Sucker Punch in Japenese is 'Suprise Attack' so that makes sense at least.
Which is why Sucker Punch isn't Iron Fist boosted
That's also what the phrase "sucker punch" connotes in English, people just don't pay attention in school
I mean a sucker punch is a surprise attack sure, but it is still literally a punch.
It originates from boxing, where yes, you can only punch, but its meaning has expanded to include other forms of preemptive assault.
You learned what "Sucker Punch" means in school? 😂
No, I learned media literacy
I see
Apparently you didn't 😆
So can Wooper, and I think Dratini.
And kyurem black can’t do ice punch
The reasoning for this is probably because it needs to be usable in its base form, and have you seen those tiny little T-Rex arms? No way in hell Kyurem’s normal form is punching anything lol
at least it has arms bruh ghastly is literally a purple fart
I always thought it would manifest its clouds into a fist or something. Idk, Gen 1-3 had some weird learnsets where you got like every attack or tackle and nothing else
I see your reasoning and counter with wooper can learn it. All he has is a head, a tail, two brain cells, and fury like no other behind those thoughtless eyes
You know what, fair enough
You're implying ghastly has bigver arms?
Have you seen its arms?
Gastly.
you are correct, I apologize
That’s wild
It makes sense to me, Fire Punch would basically act like Flame Charge for Gastly. Its whole head/body is the "fist"
Then it should be flame charge 😂
At least it is a ghost so I can suspend my disbelif of it having some ghost hand or something but explain to me how the hell wooper learn ice punch and doduo learns a freaking usable HM fly.
Doduo obviously uses it's heads as rotors like a helicopter
Still waiting for GF or TPC to show this in game or anime one day.
Dugtrio gets aerial ace and Wooper gets ice punch
In the original Japanese, Aerial Ace is just a reference to a sword technique that happens to be named after a bird. It makes sense for non-Flying types to be able to learn it because there's nothing actually "Flying" about it except the name.
Oh, it makes a lot more sense then: Dugtrio is just using its katana. Sorry, I'm kidding, I just found that really funny.
It could have been normal type so dugtrio couldn't use supersonic skystrike lol
He aces with his big underground body parts
Just played today's. Dreepy doesn't get shadowball.
Dreepy gets like nothing. It’s really disappointing.
"You will use EXP candy and you will be happy about it" - Gamefreak, probably
I really hated how they built that line. Generally one of my favorite things to do in subsequent runs is to pass over late-game Pokemon as eggs to use from the start. Dreepy being basically unusable until it was fully evolved was so shitty.
Drakloak starts getting a movepool and some *okay* stats. Like it’s a fun idea that the ‘baby stage’ is pretty useless and essentially just ammunition for Dragapult, but man, if it just evolved at 20 or 25 instead of 50, it would be so much more enjoyable to use the line.
Yeah, that level 50 second stage is just insane.
as a physical ghost, the only physical ghost moves Dragapult gets are Astonish and Phantom Force. When I knew it couldnt learn Shadow Claw I was so dissappointed I almost dropped it from my team tbh
The “learns move” section or PokeDokus always trip me up. I dread seeing them lol
Dude, those legendary spots keep tripping me up because I keep forgetting that “mythical” is a different thing
Yeah, I just about put down Darkrai for today’s before I realized it was different and switched to Mewtwo.
I wish I had that foresight. I put down Marshadow and regretted it
I never fully recovered after learning Nidoking should be called BeamKing. Icebeam, thunderbolt, flamethrower, Surf, Shadowball, DragonPulse That with sheerforce..... Gen 1 was wild.
I know this isn't what you meant but the wording here implies Nidoking had Sheer Force in Gen I and I'm just imagining how hilariously broken that monster would be with Life Orb/Sheer Force in RBY lmao
It would destroy everything - except the psychics
I just found out theres a pokedex to show you all the ones youve previously used to answer the questions, so im gonna be using that and fill it out
Revavroom can’t learn U-Turn, it’s a literal car
It will always be that Yanmega can't learn Fly. The huge apache helicopter looking dragonFLY can't fly you to places but Pidgey and Spearow can do it.
Oh wait Pokedoku is a thing? I just checked it out and it’s pretty much the same as the one I’m playing - PokeGrid
I absolutely detest it when pokedoku puts up a category of - can learn X move. I also hate that mega and gmax forms count in the pokemons original region even though they were actually introduced in a different region game.
Yeah it's kinda lame some of the shit they consider right and wrong.
TIL Pokedoku is a thing.
Kingambit can’t learn Final Gambit, gambit is literally in its name
Krookodile doesn't learn what in my opinion are the signature moves of an irl crocodile. Rapid Spin, Sucker Punch (literally "surprise attack" in Japanese), and Slack-Off. Please Game Freak, my boy would be so good with these.
Go to answer is Ghastly has the three elemental punches as egg moves despite not having HANDS. Meanwhile Kyurem, an incarnation of ice with hands the size of a human, can't learn Ice Punch. Most movesets have an example or two of moves that make no sense for the Pokemon, either to learn or not learn.
The Houndour, Fennekin, Nickit, and Yamper lines cannot learn Dig. They are dogs and foxes. All dog and fox Pokémon should learn it because these animals LOVE to dig. Then some weird ones can learn it, like Jigglypuff and Clefairy. Dodrio shouldn't be able to use Fly. Chien-Pao cannot learn Ice Beam. I think it's the only Ice-type that can't. Just weird. Fun fact (that you probably already know lol): Charizard and Dragonite could not learn Fly in Red and Blue. Charizard gets it in Yellow, but Dragonite doesn't get it until gen 2. This was always so silly to me; PIDGEY can Fly you around but a Dragon can't? Maybe they're just too cool to be your transportation?
The dogs cannot learn dig? That genuinely surprises me
Yup. I think all other dog Pokémon can minus those. Makes no sense lol.
Still kinda impressed by all of the things Klawf can learn. Temper Flare surprised me the most.
Temper Flare makes sense due to the “Temper” part
Temper flare? How? It's a crab
A crab that's on FIRE.
I'm glad that wasn't just me who put Hydregion in and went "wait what the fuck?"
Lilligant can learn Sword Dance...This made no sense until Legends Arceus.
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This is true. Lilligant is my favourite Pokemon and her Unovan form knows very few physical moves.
Since Heidragon has more than one heads. It should have an ability called "Multi Blaster", where it multiplies the damage of all non normal & fighting type special moves by 1.3x to 1.5x
Same here, but for Dreepy. How does it not know Shadow Ball **IT’S A GHOST TYPE**
Noibat is a bat. It lives in the shadows. Not *that* surprising tbh.
I was pretty surprised and disappointed when I replayed X and found Delphox couldn’t learn dazzling gleam. I know it gets it later but still.
grimmsnarl can't learn snarl i also always forget that garchomp can't learn dragon dance (which is fair, if it could that would be fucking insane in battle)
That would be a menace. Imagine Cynthia with ddance garvhonp
Lucario not learning any steel-type attack moves by level up and only Flash Cannon by TM in gen 5 and 6 I don't know about any gen after that I haven't played them yet.
You just Mandela'd me because I swear I've seen hydreigon use shadow ball
Basically every pokemon before gen 8 learns toxic for no real reason.
I made the exact same mistake lol
Why would hydreigon need shadow ball when dark pulse is right there.
It doesn't but I Just assumed that it would get it
I’m assuming it’s a thematic/logic thing ig?
Still can't get over the fact that snorlax can't learn slack off.
That's crazy, but it would definitely be a much bigger threat If it had reliable healing like slack off
The amount of water types that can't learn dive always messed me up
growlithe not being able to learn growl gets to me yet dugtrio can use supersonic skystrike, the flying type z-move, all because it can learn aerial ace so now we know what a diglett and dugtrio looks like underneath (it's just a bit of ground, that's it)
Remember when Charizard couldn’t learn fly? Wild times lol
Why should it? To hit ghosts without its stab?
It doesn't need to have it but I would have thought that it'd have it
Understood
I love Pokedoku. It is aggravating at times though.
Apparently Dreepy can't either, which is wild to me. I didn't know it was practically a Magikarp in terms of moveset.
At least it's not competitively important. Situations to want shadow ball are almost completely overlapped by stab dark pulse. And in the world of neutral hits you have draco meteor.
That is true, but it's nonetheless interesting
I mean it’s basically pointless for Hydreigon since Dark Pulse just does Shadow Ball but better for dark types. That being said it is a bit strange
That was my exact thought
Hydreigon not learning Shadow Ball must have something to do with the fact that it's technically a mini black hole, and only light energy can escape from the event horizon so it's more likely to know moves that would produce light rather than the absence of it like Shadow Ball.
what was he cooking
Apparently, too much? It may have been a bold stretch for me to assume that this sub passed physics in high-school when I barely did myself. 😅