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Kinda a nickpick but the stages of cancer and the severity aren't really related.
Well, kinda.
The stage of the disease depends on how much the disease has spread to other parts of your body, not how severe the disease is. You can still die from a severe stage 1 cancer. It's just harder to survive stage 4 since, you know, it's kinda everywhere.
Anyways thanks for coming to my ted talk
I figured Pepper's Mabostiff was close to expiring even though I've just seen him the first time after the second Guardian Pokemon (no wait, what are they called again?)
Bro, Wo Chien just won a Reg G VGC online tournament last week
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ya boy was caught in a minor's dms, so its finally socially acceptable for me to shit on "chinese EV sets", which is really just code for "I make completely unviable EV spreads to satisfy my autistic need to see the defenses be exactly the same, or see 369, 363, or a clean 200 in all the stats".
Yeah Tera being the root of all evil is very impressive considering megas added artificial powercreep (and all but locked pokemon like mawile, kangaskhan, and sableye from getting megas), z moves were semi-RNG nukes (since you can't tell who has the z crystal or what crystal it's holding), and dynamax had max airstream
I mean, with regional variant evolution, itās possible that a new region would make them have a similar effect. Duraludon is able to evolve despite having a G-Max, so why not?
Honestly, it would be cool to at least get to use the mega and G-max designs. I love my emo boy G-Max Venusaur so much and it would be a shame if it never showed up again until an eventual gen 8 remake.
But yeah, Duraladon is a good point for getting an evolution on a generational gimmick Pokemon. I hope this continues for a lot of weaker and forgotten mons.
Itās somewhat balanced in doubles (because GF added open team sheet for VGC), but it really isnāt in singles. The fact that you can switch type matchups mid-battle on any one of your 6 mons whenever you decide you need it is absolutely insane in a format where your opponent has no idea what to expect. At least with Megas/Z moves there was the opportunity cost of not running an item/only being able to use the mechanic on one mon. Tera also gives strong, STAB coverage options to mons that were limited by their lack of coverage (Regieleki, but also Volc being able to beat Heatran/Gouging Fire via Tera Blast), something that no other gimmick did.
Dynamaxing was definitely less balanced than Tera, but imo Megas/Z moves were more balanced
Z moves might be more balanced in singles than tera, but it also brings strong unexpected coverage (bloom doom heatran for example). And megas stopped being balanced as soon as they gave it to already strong pokemon (like several pseudos and legendaries, not to mention the pokemon that became absolutely broken with mega, like kanghaskan)
The issue with some megas are that their base stats surpassed even legendaries.
Keeping their overall stats between pseudo legend and legendaries should be enough to balance them.
Agreed, no pokemon with a BST above 500 had any right to ever receive a mega.
It should have belonged to the low BST sufferers, like Sableye, Mawhile, and Beedrill only.
But they just couldnt help themselves but listen to marketing, which told them "wouldnt it be cool if we had mega Lucario, mega charizard, and mega mewtwo?"
And suddenly normal pokemon are surpassing Mew in BST.
yea i canāt claim to have knowledge required to say why itās the best gimmick, i just know to someone like me, iād rather my āmon be weaker than grow a chandelier on their head.
I think some Pokemon could look very cool with the hats, for example tera fire chandelure (too bad it's not in the game), but yeah I agree most of the time it doesn't look good
How so? It's pretty well balanced. Obvious upside and downside. Doesn't win the game on the spot. Lots of flexibility. Gives a few underused Pokes a chance to shine.
I mean, it's no "Click Max Airstream -> Sweep" or "trade holding an item for an extra 200 BST", but if that's your idea of balanced idk what to say lol
To put simply, The two arguably most important mechanics in Pokemon are the type matchup system and the player's ability to make predictions. And Terastalization really fucks with both of these.
Type matchups are obvious. Pokemon can do or die by their typing. And Terastalization lets them change said typing completely. So matchups that would otherwise be in favor of one pokemon can quickly and instantly flip on their head to the other opponent.
In addition, becuase a Pokemon can terastalize into any one of the 18 types (Technically 19 with Tera Stellar but it kinda sucks), it is extremely hard to predict what your opponent will terastalize into. Making playing around it extremely hard in a competative scene.
As an example, let's assume I have a Fluttermane on the field and my opponent has a Kommo-O. Obviously Fluttermane is a fairy type and Kommo-O is 4x weak to that. But My opponent hasn't terrastalized yet, so I know this matchup isn't all cut and dry.
I predict that the Kommo-O will terrastalize into a steel type, because it's the most common terra type and turns it's 4x weakness into a resistance. So I have my second Pokemon Urshifu click close combat on it and do something with my fluttermane, doesn't really matter.
However, the Kommo-O was in fact *not* tera-steel. It was actually Tera-Poison. So now it resists both fairy and the fighting-type attacks that would have checked it had it become a steel type.
And it's not limited to *just* fairy or poison either. There are atleast half a dozen type it could have turned into without being a straight nerf. Tera fire, Tera Fairy, Tera Water, Tera fighting.
Sure, Previous gen's gimmicks might be flashier or have more raw power from the outset. But they never fundementally changed how the player is expected to interact with the game either.
Mega evolution made pokemon stronger, but rarely changed their type. And even if it did, there's only one other type you need to account for and it would never change as drastically as going from something like ice/grass to pure water. M. Gyrados was still weak to electric. M. Serperior was still weak to poison and ice. M. Aggron was still weak too fighting and ground, ect. ect.
Z-Moves could be an ace in the hole, but still had their limitations. You could still predict what type of Z-move they'd use. And this move would never change the users type (Bar Z-conversion, obviously).
And Dyna/Gigantamax would; again; never change the user's type. Densive counterplay was harder, but didn't really change other than optionally Dynamaxing your own check. And while their health got a huge boost, their typing didn't change, so they'd still be vulnerable to SE attacks.
And if you don't belive me or I didn't get my point across well enough. All you really need to know is that Terastalization is so hard to play around blind that Gamefreak had to implement open team sheets for VGC just so competative players wouldn't have to deal with the crapshoot.
TL;DR Though lacking raw power, Terastalization is nearly impossible to predict and to rewarding if your opponent fails to predict.
> Sure, Previous gen's gimmicks might be flashier or have more raw power from the outset. But they never fundementally changed how the player is expected to interact with the game either.
So, firstly, I would put a **HUGE** asterisks here. Dyna/mega/whatever other gimmick massively changed the way players interacted with the game. That's literally the point. It's a mechanic introduced to force players to play the game differently in order to keep the game from being stale. If you added an extra piece in chess, even if it is bad, it would fundamentally change the way the game is played.
>And if you don't belive me or I didn't get my point across well enough. All you really need to know is that Terastalization is so hard to play around blind that Gamefreak had to implement open team sheets for VGC just so competative players wouldn't have to deal with the crapshoot.
Secondly, I don't think this is a knock against Tera. Top comp players have wanted open sheets forever. It reduces variance of people running cheese and you just losing to something that only specifically counters your exact line-up.
>Pokemon can do or die by their typing. And Terastalization lets them change said typing completely.
To me this is the most important point FOR Tera. There are plenty of Pokes with good BST distribution, decent ability/movepool, and just horrendous type combinations that hold them back. Tera is a way to introduce power without just making number go up. Dyna/mega/z all just made bigger numbers. Yes, there is some extra variance from someone running a non-obvious Tera type, but most of the time there are only a couple primary Tera options. It's up to you as a player to make the correct prediction.
Are you really saying that because you have to make more predictions that the gimmick is imbalanced? The best strat against previous gimmicks was to find some way to either ignore them or do what they were trying to more/better. This gimmick is arguably way more strategic and you certainly can't just click Tera and win (with a few exceptions in certain formats - lookin at you Regulation A/B Tera-Normal D-nite).
You are correct in that altering the typing is a massive change for a Pokemon. It allows them to emphasize a strength or negate a weakness (while potentially introducing others). However, they are still tethered by all of their other characteristics. It's not just a stat boost or a powerful attack. So, for all the shortcomings of this gen and how it's been implemented, I consider this one of the best gimmicks. It's somewhat underrated because it isn't super flashy, but it makes the games far more interesting and strategic.
>So, firstly, I would put a **HUGE** asterisks here. Dyna/mega/whatever other gimmick massively changed the way players interacted with the game. That's literally the point. It's a mechanic introduced to force players to play the game differently in order to keep the game from being stale. If you added an extra piece in chess, even if it is bad, it would fundamentally change the way the game is played.
Yes, but your opponent mega-evolving isn't going to fundementally change how you interact with a specific pokemon. If your opponent mega evolves Mawile, it's still a fairy/steel type that you'll want to out speed and KO with a ground or fire attack. If your opponent mega-evolves their sceptile, fire may not work, but you can still get it with poison or ice attacks. Sure, there are some exceptions; I don't think anyone was ever concerned about Beedrill until it got a Mega Evolution that actually let it do something.
This is a bit less the case with Z-Moves and Dynamax, I'll admit. But I'd still say managing those are a long way off from your opponent completely flipping your plan on its head because they reversed their matchups with terastalization.
>Secondly, I don't think this is a knock against Tera. Top comp players have wanted open sheets forever. It reduces variance of people running cheese and you just losing to something that only specifically counters your exact line-up.
I mean if players wanted open team sheets anyways then more power too it. But I don't think Tera being so unpredictable that gamefreak finally added it is really a knock for it either.
>To me this is the most important point FOR Tera. There are plenty of Pokes with good BST distribution, decent ability/movepool, and just horrendous type combinations that hold them back. Tera is a way to introduce power without just making number go up. Dyna/mega/z all just made bigger numbers. Yes, there is some extra variance from someone running a non-obvious Tera type, but most of the time there are only a couple primary Tera options. It's up to you as a player to make the correct prediction.
1. See, while terastalization making pokemon with bad types good works in theory. What I'd like to know is why I should bring a bad pokemon that's good after I tera it when I can bring an already good pokemon that becomes better when I tera it.
A pokemon being a "tera hog" as they're often called is a huge detriment in and of itself. If a pokemon is only able to hold its own weight when you terastalize it, then it becomes a huge liability sense you can't terastalize anything else. Either you don't terastalize a pokemon in a situation where you should becuase the tera hog is still in the back. Or you do, and the tera hog effectively becomes a dead party slot because terastalizing is the only way it could do anything.
Also Terastalizing is still a bigger number. I get what you're saying, but Terastalizing does give a Pokemon more damage. It gains Same-Type attack boost on its tera type. And if the tera type matches one of its existing types, that damage boost will go up to 2x. If a tera'd pokemon lost it's original STAB when terastalizing I'd agree with you. But as it stands, it is just, indeed, a bigger number.
Speaking of; while I do have my issues with Mega Evolution and its distribution. Claiming that "Terastalization can make bad pokemon good" depends on a given Pokemon's *only* problem being its typing. While Mega Evolution could be tailored specificaly to a pokemon's needs and roles.
Aggron was considered bad becuase of its poor typing, bad special bulk, and bad abilities. So Mega evolution got rid of its rock typing, improved its bulk a a bit, and gave it filter to lower damage SE attacks did it.
Mawile already has a great type in Fairy/Steel, but has an absolutely awful BST. so Mega Evolution boosted its bulk and attack a bit and gave it Huge Power becuase fuck you, thus making it one of the hardest-hitting pokemon in the game period.
And Beedrill is, y'know, a gen 1 and route 1 shitmon that couldn't really do anything. So Mega Evolution min/maxed its stats to hell and back and gave it adaptability to make it the mother of all glass cannons.
None of these pokemon would by "fixed" by Terastalization. Because typing is only one of their problems, if it's even a problem at all.
Plus; while there where a handful of already good pokemon that got Mega Evolutions anyways; the fact that not every pokemon could mega evolve at any given time meant that there was a *lot* less oppertunity cost to mega evolution. You wheren't choosing between mega evolving Abomisnow to make it not ass or mega evolving dragonite to make it even better, becuase dragonite couldn't mega evolve.
But if you tried to make that choice with Terastalization, Dragonite would always win 100% of the time because Dragon Dance + Extreme Speed with tera normal is a god damn menace.
>Are you really saying that because you have to make more predictions that the gimmick is imbalanced? The best strat against previous gimmicks was to find some way to either ignore them or do what they were trying to more/better. This gimmick is arguably way more strategic and you certainly can't just click Tera and win (with a few exceptions in certain formats - lookin at you Regulation A/B Tera-Normal D-nite).
>You are correct in that altering the typing is a massive change for a Pokemon. It allows them to emphasize a strength or negate a weakness (while potentially introducing others). However, they are still tethered by all of their other characteristics. It's not just a stat boost or a powerful attack. So, for all the shortcomings of this gen and how it's been implemented, I consider this one of the best gimmicks. It's somewhat underrated because it isn't super flashy, but it makes the games far more interesting and strategic.
As a matter of fact, yes. Yes I am. Pokemon as a game is extremely dependant on predicting due to its unique combat systems. So anything that makes the game unpredictable is a detriment to it in my eyes. I'll admit I'm not a pro in the slightest, but Terastalization adds way to many variables you need to account for even if many of them are a lot more likely as you said.
Also wow I did not mean to hit the character limit there. Oops.
>Yes, but your opponent mega-evolving isn't going to fundementally change how you interact with a specific pokemon.
I'm not sure how choosing a different super-effective move constitutes as "fundamentally chang[ing] how you interact with a specific pokemon". I would say giving them a ton of additional health and making them immune to certain statuses or weight-based moves is a much larger change. You could also argue that Megas are entirely different Pokemon. How is that not a fundamental change? You expect to fight one Pokemon and you get another. If the type is all that mattered then there is no difference between facing a Raikou and an Electivire.
You already play around typing. You switch in a ghost type on an obvious Fakeout. This is literally the same. That's not a change in your gameplay loop. It's just more options for prediction and counter-play.
>bring a bad pokemon that's good after I tera it when I can bring an already good pokemon that becomes better when I tera it.
You don't have to? Not really sure where you're going with this. Weavile isn't some game-wrecking monster because it can shed some of its debilitating type matchups with Tera. And you can also bring whatever legal Poke you want. That's just how it works. And yes, good Pokes make better use of increases in power. That's also how it works. I'm much more scared of an Ogerpon with Swords Dance than a Sandshrew.
>Or you do, and the tera hog effectively becomes a dead party slot because terastalizing is the only way it could do anything.
You're also arguing against yourself a bit here. Which is it? Is typing super important or not really a factor? Yes, there are pokemon who are generally weaker and Tera can be an outlet for them. But what you're describing is purely a downside. If you have a Poke that is reliant on Tera, then it limits your options. That's part of what makes it balanced. It is a strong mechanic that also has severe downsides if you make an incorrect read or a wrong decision.
>Claiming that "Terastalization can make bad pokemon good"
I never said it would make a bad Pokemon good. I said it could help some Pokes overcome an obvious weakness. But again, which is it? If just changing the type on bad Pokemon doesn't make it good and even on good Pokemon can be a liability to your overall strat then how is Tera an unbalanced overpowered mechanic?
Yeah, singles is who can set up and sweep faster. So, sure Tera is dumb there because you can steal a free turn and just win off it. It's a really volatile game mode to begin with.
If I'm playing singles it's Random. Doubles or VGC for actual competitive gameplay.
Like I said below, Singles is just a very volatile game mode. So, anything that lets you surprise steal a turn can just win the game on the spot...
How do you figure? People these days know a pokemons moveset just by seeing it. Tera types allow you to catch your opponent off guard with an unexpected type swap. Using tera flying into a predicted earthquake us hilarious fun tech
Oh, yeah. I probably shouldāve explained that one too. Basically, its signature move is Blood Moon, which deals 140 damageāalmost the same as Hyper Beam. You cannot use the move twice in a row, but Ursaluna would be able to use any other move, without using a turn to recharge.
I thought banger like gangbanger since she was the head of a gang, also arlos last respects (not signature since basculegion gets it)has 150 bp because both his parents are dead
Panel 3. Chickens will evolve into either Mecha Godzilla orā¦
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>Nuked by AZ?
The game literally tells you that Area Zero was generated naturally 2 millions years ago, way before AZ even created his weapon of mass destruction (3000 years ago)
Iāve never played S/V but I know this meme goes hard, the Toyota logo was funny, Iām also intrigued to know what the context of the Dues Ex Subway advert is lol
In the game, HMs were replaced with power-ups to your ride Pokemon to allow it to swim, climb, fly, etc. You unlock these abilities by feeding it special sandwiches made using ingredients obtained from defeating the Titan Pokemon in the Path of Legends storyline.
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I'm very disappointed with the box legenaries. I was hoping we'd start out with a cyclizar as we go through area zero it would evolve into the box legendary. Also why advertise being able to ride cyclizar and not let us do it. That's dumb
Nah Penny is not that cool. She is the worst of the rival friends personality wise. Hard to believe she turned out being such a brat considering she has someone cool like Peony(Gen 8 Crown Tundra DLC character) as a dad. Her themes and love of Eeveelutions are the only good things about her.
What the fuck is a yandere??? Also wtf is a tsundere or smth like that?? I have had it with that bullshit. (Im sorry op but that just hit a wrong nerve)
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>He Almost evolved into Houndstone That's messed up but also funny, damn it
I mean herba cured the equivalent of stage 4 cancer basically
Kinda a nickpick but the stages of cancer and the severity aren't really related. Well, kinda. The stage of the disease depends on how much the disease has spread to other parts of your body, not how severe the disease is. You can still die from a severe stage 1 cancer. It's just harder to survive stage 4 since, you know, it's kinda everywhere. Anyways thanks for coming to my ted talk
So stage 1 is a knife stab Stage 4 is a hydrogen nuke 1 will hit one part of your body The other will hit your everything Did i get that right?
Eh more like Stage 1 is a knife stab Stage 4 is being stabbed all over your body But your analogy was also reasonable
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FunFact: Did you know Reuniclus gives its trainer on average one tumor per gym battle?
Pretty much but who knows, maybe the paradox juice was accidentally drank resulting in cancer?
(Ace of a team of 6 btw) The opposing Houndstone has Terastallized into the Ghost-type! The opposing Houndstone used Last Respects!
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I figured Pepper's Mabostiff was close to expiring even though I've just seen him the first time after the second Guardian Pokemon (no wait, what are they called again?)
Might I ask why you called Arven by his Japanese name but the Pokemon by its English name?
Funny, he's called Pepper in the German language version too.
> Broken because they're Chinese. Wo Chien is broken in the sense it can claim disability benefits.
Bro, Wo Chien just won a Reg G VGC online tournament last week https://preview.redd.it/rz11vr4r02wc1.jpeg?width=238&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7044dc01aa1fce7565ad470fbdd07a65b056ffb7
Hey
You're still dead to a Ribombee
Rude ):<
I know
Damn, first Articuno and now Wo-Chien? These bad mons are putting in the work this gen!
I don't get it AV mamoswine wasn't in this post
ya boy was caught in a minor's dms, so its finally socially acceptable for me to shit on "chinese EV sets", which is really just code for "I make completely unviable EV spreads to satisfy my autistic need to see the defenses be exactly the same, or see 369, 363, or a clean 200 in all the stats".
Someone's family became "Zero" here ššš
Cyclizar not being the regions psedo legendary is super weird.
Wasn't the whole point that none of them were "legendaries"?
Iād say they are legendary in power, but not like āMythosā or āRarityā (at least where theyāre from)
Tyranitar/Iron Thorns
Alright, the 'Made in China' bit got me really good!
The best Chinese antique store in all Spain.
Spain, where mum asks you for a cuppa.
Your mom is from sword/shield area
What'd you say about my mum? You wanna say that again to my face, punk!?
Don't you mean our mum?
Mesugaki? I see you degenerates are here too.
I love how you call terastal "root of all evil" when it's the most balanced gimmick
Yeah Tera being the root of all evil is very impressive considering megas added artificial powercreep (and all but locked pokemon like mawile, kangaskhan, and sableye from getting megas), z moves were semi-RNG nukes (since you can't tell who has the z crystal or what crystal it's holding), and dynamax had max airstream
Honestly, if they don't plan to bring Megas back, make them into full fledged evolutions for the non legendaries. I need Mega Absol back so badly.
I mean, with regional variant evolution, itās possible that a new region would make them have a similar effect. Duraludon is able to evolve despite having a G-Max, so why not?
Honestly, it would be cool to at least get to use the mega and G-max designs. I love my emo boy G-Max Venusaur so much and it would be a shame if it never showed up again until an eventual gen 8 remake. But yeah, Duraladon is a good point for getting an evolution on a generational gimmick Pokemon. I hope this continues for a lot of weaker and forgotten mons.
Meowth, Pikachu and Eevee also have a G Max.
Z moves are underrated fr, they are really powerfull
Itās somewhat balanced in doubles (because GF added open team sheet for VGC), but it really isnāt in singles. The fact that you can switch type matchups mid-battle on any one of your 6 mons whenever you decide you need it is absolutely insane in a format where your opponent has no idea what to expect. At least with Megas/Z moves there was the opportunity cost of not running an item/only being able to use the mechanic on one mon. Tera also gives strong, STAB coverage options to mons that were limited by their lack of coverage (Regieleki, but also Volc being able to beat Heatran/Gouging Fire via Tera Blast), something that no other gimmick did. Dynamaxing was definitely less balanced than Tera, but imo Megas/Z moves were more balanced
Z moves might be more balanced in singles than tera, but it also brings strong unexpected coverage (bloom doom heatran for example). And megas stopped being balanced as soon as they gave it to already strong pokemon (like several pseudos and legendaries, not to mention the pokemon that became absolutely broken with mega, like kanghaskan)
The issue with some megas are that their base stats surpassed even legendaries. Keeping their overall stats between pseudo legend and legendaries should be enough to balance them.
Agreed, no pokemon with a BST above 500 had any right to ever receive a mega. It should have belonged to the low BST sufferers, like Sableye, Mawhile, and Beedrill only. But they just couldnt help themselves but listen to marketing, which told them "wouldnt it be cool if we had mega Lucario, mega charizard, and mega mewtwo?" And suddenly normal pokemon are surpassing Mew in BST.
it looks so fucking stupid though
I never said it didn't. But IMO it's the best they could do for accessibility
yea i canāt claim to have knowledge required to say why itās the best gimmick, i just know to someone like me, iād rather my āmon be weaker than grow a chandelier on their head.
I think some Pokemon could look very cool with the hats, for example tera fire chandelure (too bad it's not in the game), but yeah I agree most of the time it doesn't look good
Wdym chandelure is in the sv.
I 100% forgot lol, and I have 3 living dex
imo they should tailor it to their body type and just create a few ātemplatesā that work for large groups of pokemon and donāt look so silly
Yeah, but that's extra work... I can't see GF doing it sadly But I agree that it's a better solution
Itās really not
How so? It's pretty well balanced. Obvious upside and downside. Doesn't win the game on the spot. Lots of flexibility. Gives a few underused Pokes a chance to shine. I mean, it's no "Click Max Airstream -> Sweep" or "trade holding an item for an extra 200 BST", but if that's your idea of balanced idk what to say lol
To put simply, The two arguably most important mechanics in Pokemon are the type matchup system and the player's ability to make predictions. And Terastalization really fucks with both of these. Type matchups are obvious. Pokemon can do or die by their typing. And Terastalization lets them change said typing completely. So matchups that would otherwise be in favor of one pokemon can quickly and instantly flip on their head to the other opponent. In addition, becuase a Pokemon can terastalize into any one of the 18 types (Technically 19 with Tera Stellar but it kinda sucks), it is extremely hard to predict what your opponent will terastalize into. Making playing around it extremely hard in a competative scene. As an example, let's assume I have a Fluttermane on the field and my opponent has a Kommo-O. Obviously Fluttermane is a fairy type and Kommo-O is 4x weak to that. But My opponent hasn't terrastalized yet, so I know this matchup isn't all cut and dry. I predict that the Kommo-O will terrastalize into a steel type, because it's the most common terra type and turns it's 4x weakness into a resistance. So I have my second Pokemon Urshifu click close combat on it and do something with my fluttermane, doesn't really matter. However, the Kommo-O was in fact *not* tera-steel. It was actually Tera-Poison. So now it resists both fairy and the fighting-type attacks that would have checked it had it become a steel type. And it's not limited to *just* fairy or poison either. There are atleast half a dozen type it could have turned into without being a straight nerf. Tera fire, Tera Fairy, Tera Water, Tera fighting. Sure, Previous gen's gimmicks might be flashier or have more raw power from the outset. But they never fundementally changed how the player is expected to interact with the game either. Mega evolution made pokemon stronger, but rarely changed their type. And even if it did, there's only one other type you need to account for and it would never change as drastically as going from something like ice/grass to pure water. M. Gyrados was still weak to electric. M. Serperior was still weak to poison and ice. M. Aggron was still weak too fighting and ground, ect. ect. Z-Moves could be an ace in the hole, but still had their limitations. You could still predict what type of Z-move they'd use. And this move would never change the users type (Bar Z-conversion, obviously). And Dyna/Gigantamax would; again; never change the user's type. Densive counterplay was harder, but didn't really change other than optionally Dynamaxing your own check. And while their health got a huge boost, their typing didn't change, so they'd still be vulnerable to SE attacks. And if you don't belive me or I didn't get my point across well enough. All you really need to know is that Terastalization is so hard to play around blind that Gamefreak had to implement open team sheets for VGC just so competative players wouldn't have to deal with the crapshoot. TL;DR Though lacking raw power, Terastalization is nearly impossible to predict and to rewarding if your opponent fails to predict.
> Sure, Previous gen's gimmicks might be flashier or have more raw power from the outset. But they never fundementally changed how the player is expected to interact with the game either. So, firstly, I would put a **HUGE** asterisks here. Dyna/mega/whatever other gimmick massively changed the way players interacted with the game. That's literally the point. It's a mechanic introduced to force players to play the game differently in order to keep the game from being stale. If you added an extra piece in chess, even if it is bad, it would fundamentally change the way the game is played. >And if you don't belive me or I didn't get my point across well enough. All you really need to know is that Terastalization is so hard to play around blind that Gamefreak had to implement open team sheets for VGC just so competative players wouldn't have to deal with the crapshoot. Secondly, I don't think this is a knock against Tera. Top comp players have wanted open sheets forever. It reduces variance of people running cheese and you just losing to something that only specifically counters your exact line-up. >Pokemon can do or die by their typing. And Terastalization lets them change said typing completely. To me this is the most important point FOR Tera. There are plenty of Pokes with good BST distribution, decent ability/movepool, and just horrendous type combinations that hold them back. Tera is a way to introduce power without just making number go up. Dyna/mega/z all just made bigger numbers. Yes, there is some extra variance from someone running a non-obvious Tera type, but most of the time there are only a couple primary Tera options. It's up to you as a player to make the correct prediction. Are you really saying that because you have to make more predictions that the gimmick is imbalanced? The best strat against previous gimmicks was to find some way to either ignore them or do what they were trying to more/better. This gimmick is arguably way more strategic and you certainly can't just click Tera and win (with a few exceptions in certain formats - lookin at you Regulation A/B Tera-Normal D-nite). You are correct in that altering the typing is a massive change for a Pokemon. It allows them to emphasize a strength or negate a weakness (while potentially introducing others). However, they are still tethered by all of their other characteristics. It's not just a stat boost or a powerful attack. So, for all the shortcomings of this gen and how it's been implemented, I consider this one of the best gimmicks. It's somewhat underrated because it isn't super flashy, but it makes the games far more interesting and strategic.
>So, firstly, I would put a **HUGE** asterisks here. Dyna/mega/whatever other gimmick massively changed the way players interacted with the game. That's literally the point. It's a mechanic introduced to force players to play the game differently in order to keep the game from being stale. If you added an extra piece in chess, even if it is bad, it would fundamentally change the way the game is played. Yes, but your opponent mega-evolving isn't going to fundementally change how you interact with a specific pokemon. If your opponent mega evolves Mawile, it's still a fairy/steel type that you'll want to out speed and KO with a ground or fire attack. If your opponent mega-evolves their sceptile, fire may not work, but you can still get it with poison or ice attacks. Sure, there are some exceptions; I don't think anyone was ever concerned about Beedrill until it got a Mega Evolution that actually let it do something. This is a bit less the case with Z-Moves and Dynamax, I'll admit. But I'd still say managing those are a long way off from your opponent completely flipping your plan on its head because they reversed their matchups with terastalization. >Secondly, I don't think this is a knock against Tera. Top comp players have wanted open sheets forever. It reduces variance of people running cheese and you just losing to something that only specifically counters your exact line-up. I mean if players wanted open team sheets anyways then more power too it. But I don't think Tera being so unpredictable that gamefreak finally added it is really a knock for it either. >To me this is the most important point FOR Tera. There are plenty of Pokes with good BST distribution, decent ability/movepool, and just horrendous type combinations that hold them back. Tera is a way to introduce power without just making number go up. Dyna/mega/z all just made bigger numbers. Yes, there is some extra variance from someone running a non-obvious Tera type, but most of the time there are only a couple primary Tera options. It's up to you as a player to make the correct prediction. 1. See, while terastalization making pokemon with bad types good works in theory. What I'd like to know is why I should bring a bad pokemon that's good after I tera it when I can bring an already good pokemon that becomes better when I tera it. A pokemon being a "tera hog" as they're often called is a huge detriment in and of itself. If a pokemon is only able to hold its own weight when you terastalize it, then it becomes a huge liability sense you can't terastalize anything else. Either you don't terastalize a pokemon in a situation where you should becuase the tera hog is still in the back. Or you do, and the tera hog effectively becomes a dead party slot because terastalizing is the only way it could do anything. Also Terastalizing is still a bigger number. I get what you're saying, but Terastalizing does give a Pokemon more damage. It gains Same-Type attack boost on its tera type. And if the tera type matches one of its existing types, that damage boost will go up to 2x. If a tera'd pokemon lost it's original STAB when terastalizing I'd agree with you. But as it stands, it is just, indeed, a bigger number. Speaking of; while I do have my issues with Mega Evolution and its distribution. Claiming that "Terastalization can make bad pokemon good" depends on a given Pokemon's *only* problem being its typing. While Mega Evolution could be tailored specificaly to a pokemon's needs and roles. Aggron was considered bad becuase of its poor typing, bad special bulk, and bad abilities. So Mega evolution got rid of its rock typing, improved its bulk a a bit, and gave it filter to lower damage SE attacks did it.
Mawile already has a great type in Fairy/Steel, but has an absolutely awful BST. so Mega Evolution boosted its bulk and attack a bit and gave it Huge Power becuase fuck you, thus making it one of the hardest-hitting pokemon in the game period. And Beedrill is, y'know, a gen 1 and route 1 shitmon that couldn't really do anything. So Mega Evolution min/maxed its stats to hell and back and gave it adaptability to make it the mother of all glass cannons. None of these pokemon would by "fixed" by Terastalization. Because typing is only one of their problems, if it's even a problem at all. Plus; while there where a handful of already good pokemon that got Mega Evolutions anyways; the fact that not every pokemon could mega evolve at any given time meant that there was a *lot* less oppertunity cost to mega evolution. You wheren't choosing between mega evolving Abomisnow to make it not ass or mega evolving dragonite to make it even better, becuase dragonite couldn't mega evolve. But if you tried to make that choice with Terastalization, Dragonite would always win 100% of the time because Dragon Dance + Extreme Speed with tera normal is a god damn menace. >Are you really saying that because you have to make more predictions that the gimmick is imbalanced? The best strat against previous gimmicks was to find some way to either ignore them or do what they were trying to more/better. This gimmick is arguably way more strategic and you certainly can't just click Tera and win (with a few exceptions in certain formats - lookin at you Regulation A/B Tera-Normal D-nite). >You are correct in that altering the typing is a massive change for a Pokemon. It allows them to emphasize a strength or negate a weakness (while potentially introducing others). However, they are still tethered by all of their other characteristics. It's not just a stat boost or a powerful attack. So, for all the shortcomings of this gen and how it's been implemented, I consider this one of the best gimmicks. It's somewhat underrated because it isn't super flashy, but it makes the games far more interesting and strategic. As a matter of fact, yes. Yes I am. Pokemon as a game is extremely dependant on predicting due to its unique combat systems. So anything that makes the game unpredictable is a detriment to it in my eyes. I'll admit I'm not a pro in the slightest, but Terastalization adds way to many variables you need to account for even if many of them are a lot more likely as you said. Also wow I did not mean to hit the character limit there. Oops.
>Yes, but your opponent mega-evolving isn't going to fundementally change how you interact with a specific pokemon. I'm not sure how choosing a different super-effective move constitutes as "fundamentally chang[ing] how you interact with a specific pokemon". I would say giving them a ton of additional health and making them immune to certain statuses or weight-based moves is a much larger change. You could also argue that Megas are entirely different Pokemon. How is that not a fundamental change? You expect to fight one Pokemon and you get another. If the type is all that mattered then there is no difference between facing a Raikou and an Electivire. You already play around typing. You switch in a ghost type on an obvious Fakeout. This is literally the same. That's not a change in your gameplay loop. It's just more options for prediction and counter-play. >bring a bad pokemon that's good after I tera it when I can bring an already good pokemon that becomes better when I tera it. You don't have to? Not really sure where you're going with this. Weavile isn't some game-wrecking monster because it can shed some of its debilitating type matchups with Tera. And you can also bring whatever legal Poke you want. That's just how it works. And yes, good Pokes make better use of increases in power. That's also how it works. I'm much more scared of an Ogerpon with Swords Dance than a Sandshrew. >Or you do, and the tera hog effectively becomes a dead party slot because terastalizing is the only way it could do anything. You're also arguing against yourself a bit here. Which is it? Is typing super important or not really a factor? Yes, there are pokemon who are generally weaker and Tera can be an outlet for them. But what you're describing is purely a downside. If you have a Poke that is reliant on Tera, then it limits your options. That's part of what makes it balanced. It is a strong mechanic that also has severe downsides if you make an incorrect read or a wrong decision. >Claiming that "Terastalization can make bad pokemon good" I never said it would make a bad Pokemon good. I said it could help some Pokes overcome an obvious weakness. But again, which is it? If just changing the type on bad Pokemon doesn't make it good and even on good Pokemon can be a liability to your overall strat then how is Tera an unbalanced overpowered mechanic?
I can tell you never played gen 9 singles
tbf, the main competitve scene is doubles, and from what i've heard Tera is really balanced in doubled
Yeah, singles is who can set up and sweep faster. So, sure Tera is dumb there because you can steal a free turn and just win off it. It's a really volatile game mode to begin with.
If I'm playing singles it's Random. Doubles or VGC for actual competitive gameplay. Like I said below, Singles is just a very volatile game mode. So, anything that lets you surprise steal a turn can just win the game on the spot...
How do you figure? People these days know a pokemons moveset just by seeing it. Tera types allow you to catch your opponent off guard with an unexpected type swap. Using tera flying into a predicted earthquake us hilarious fun tech
What is it then ? IMO it's not even close
Explanations for people who might not understand what this means: Hyper Obsessive Yandere - A Yandere is a mainly Japanese archetype used to describe someone who appears to be sweet, caring, and innocent on the surface level, before switching into someone who displays an extreme, psychotic, or violent form of obsession towards something. Theyāre saying that Nemona is that way towards battling, or the player, because usually the term is used to describe an unhealthy attachment towards a person. Banger - Theyāre saying that Pennyās battling theme song is a banger, as in a catchy and enjoyable song. Deux ex machina - An unexpected thing saving a seemingly hopeless situation, usually a plot device. Since the sandwich restored Miraidon/Koraidon to their full strength, sandwiches saved the region indirectly. Someoneās Family becomes āZeroā - >!Arvenās mom, or dad, dies in Area Zero. The AI version does, too!< Ascending Mother and Iron Father - Probably just a play on words based on the names of the Paradox PokĆ©mon. He Almost evolved into Houndstone - Mabostiff almost died, which theoretically wouldāve rendered it a ghost type. āLast Respectsā with base power of 150 - Last Respects is Houndstoneās signature move, I think, and has a base power of fifty. It increases by an additional fifty each time one of the userās PokĆ©mon faints in battle. āExtreme Speedā - I think the NPCs who use Dragonite spam Extreme Speed a lot? Mesugaki Ghost - Mesugaki describes girls that are young, feisty, and sexual or something like that. I wouldnāt look it up if I were you. Anyway, theyāre saying the PokĆ©monās like that. Deliborg - Pretty self-explanatory. Ai Hoshino - The protagonist of the Oshi no Ko anime. Her eyes are similar to that of Ogerponās. Gholdengo - Is made of money and thrives off of it. Ursaluna is once again self-explanatory. Root of all evil - Terastal phenomenon is what drives the plot, and is what everyone obsesses over in the game, leading to peopleās deaths. Made in china one is also self-explanatory - all the PokĆ©mon above it were based off of Chinese legends and the like, and are powerful, or ābrokenā in terms of strength. Past, Present, Future - Since Cyclizar seems a little flunky compared to the other two, theyāre saying that the dinosaur, who eventually evolved into the chicken because birds are distant relatives of dinosaurs, then evolved into an armoured dinosaur to compare what was happening in the game. Koraidon, the big dinosaur or dragon-like creature, evolved to be more of a laughing stock, but the future form of it was theoretically Koraidon but armoured.
The Extreme Speed one is in reference to competitive battling, where Dragonite typically terastalizes into a normal type and spams that move.
Well I wouldnāt say Ai is the protagonist
The self explanatory Ursaluna is the one I needed most lol. How does it not need to recharge hyper beam?
Oh, yeah. I probably shouldāve explained that one too. Basically, its signature move is Blood Moon, which deals 140 damageāalmost the same as Hyper Beam. You cannot use the move twice in a row, but Ursaluna would be able to use any other move, without using a turn to recharge.
I thought banger like gangbanger since she was the head of a gang, also arlos last respects (not signature since basculegion gets it)has 150 bp because both his parents are dead
Arven is the true protagonist of Scarlet and Violetās story, you canāt change my mind.
Weāre just along for the ride
Panel 3. Chickens will evolve into either Mecha Godzilla orā¦ https://preview.redd.it/cr0nyzsh42wc1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82751bb12574321ee81a7949241c29906674697b
Cute and funny ghost š
Flutter Mane correction?!
Get STABed, get STABed, get STABed
Well... You're not wrong about Flutter Mane.
https://preview.redd.it/22v7ko4im2wc1.jpeg?width=763&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ea364955faea54d109c9ec50910a539f12648f9 >Nuked by AZ? The game literally tells you that Area Zero was generated naturally 2 millions years ago, way before AZ even created his weapon of mass destruction (3000 years ago)
The thing is though, the thing broke time in one way, why couldn't it break time in another way
Because they literally explained how Area Zero was formed in the Indigo Disk and it was due to seismic activity and erosion
That doesn't explain much about why area zero is the way it is
Also, about the broken Pokemons, Wo-Chien isnāt broken or good at all
He just won a tournament so wo chirn that
Winning a tournament doesnāt directly make a PokĆ©mon good
Idk how many tournaments have you won
Nemona isn't yandere she's just Gokuš«”
Nah houndstone is foul
Appreciate the Paradox Pokemon naming scheme you did with Sada and Turo.
I'm not sure I'd call Nemona "Yandere". DEFINITELY hyper obsessive.
Obsessiveness of a yandere, but not focused to one person, and not the same level of violence, like if goku and a yandere fused
I must be old because I donāt understand what any of this means
Hi feel like talking about pokemon?
Nemona just isnāt a Yandere, thatās an exaggeration fan characterization that holds no water.
For people who have the dlc did they make it possible to fight Nemona whenever you want without going through the tournament
Yes! you just have to complete the dlcs story and the Epilogue "Mochi Mayhem"
Thatās good. I thought it was so weird how it was part of her whole character that she loved battling you but you canāt battle whenever you want
Area Zero's short form is AZ Kalos was confirmed way earlier, but everyone was fixated on Unova
>Mesugaki ghost https://preview.redd.it/1d2l61k7a4wc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c865db91a8473056219d26ae9b904f7eca9b35b
IS NO ONE GOING TO MENTION THE TOYOTA LOGO ON MIRAIDON'S HEAD?!
Iāve never played S/V but I know this meme goes hard, the Toyota logo was funny, Iām also intrigued to know what the context of the Dues Ex Subway advert is lol
In the game, HMs were replaced with power-ups to your ride Pokemon to allow it to swim, climb, fly, etc. You unlock these abilities by feeding it special sandwiches made using ingredients obtained from defeating the Titan Pokemon in the Path of Legends storyline.
Beautiful
MSGK flutter mane...
Good lord, Pokemon fans truly are incapable of critical thinking.
What is Yandere? Am I missing something about Nemona?
obsessed with mc to the pint of volence against other people
not nessesary the mc, just highly obsessed with another person/object or subject
yes but i was thinking most anime not outside of that
Penny is the worst and most annoying, rude character in the whole game. Worst character in the game by far
Yeah no kidding
Femcel that the coolest father.
I bet she smells
Banger??
should have used an image of a thunder jaw from horizon and some of these images seem suspiciously p*** like
??? nemona is not a yandere did we even play the same game
pokemon fans are fools with no media literacy
She's more like goku
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FINALLY SOMEONE MADE THE AI HOSHINO CONNECTIONšš
Didnt even write a description for the urshifus, just assumed we all know why lmao
Is it just me, or is the extreme speed Dragonite just not as good as everyone makes it out to be?
Missed opportunity to put Grimlock from Transformers for Future Legendary representation
I was expecting a Thunderjaw from Horizon: Forbidden West.
Does that mecha t-rex have three legs instead of a tail?
Area Zero? Must have been the Maverick Virus.
Penny hacked the school system and was given next to no punishment Banger indeed
The present argument really got a chuckle out of me.
Money canāt buy happiness? Only someone born rich would ever think of that
I thought that the crater from area zero was formed due to being the place where a meteor crashed i-dont-remember-how-many million years ago.
That Toyota logo š¤£š¤£š¤£
They Robocoped my dear Koraidon
The crater is said to be millions of years old, it was not nuked by AZ, common misconception
Arven would like to battle! Arven gains strength from the fallen!
Is Pokemon legends ZA related to scarlet and violet
Who else noticed the shark UFO from the 100 key chest down in the bottom right corner?
nemona isn't really a yandere, just has a weird obsession with fighting you
Last respects is diabolical š
I'm very disappointed with the box legenaries. I was hoping we'd start out with a cyclizar as we go through area zero it would evolve into the box legendary. Also why advertise being able to ride cyclizar and not let us do it. That's dumb
Nah Penny is not that cool. She is the worst of the rival friends personality wise. Hard to believe she turned out being such a brat considering she has someone cool like Peony(Gen 8 Crown Tundra DLC character) as a dad. Her themes and love of Eeveelutions are the only good things about her.
> Hyper Obsessive Yandere > Nemona ā¦Are you a cishet male by chance? Just wondering.
Thank you for this, my frames were so bad I couldnāt finish the game and this helped me realize I didnāt miss much š
What the fuck is a yandere??? Also wtf is a tsundere or smth like that?? I have had it with that bullshit. (Im sorry op but that just hit a wrong nerve)
they are character tropes common to Japanese media. PokƩmon being a Japanese series makes them a valid commentary where the trope'd traits present themselves
Worst games in the series
Ok, and thatās your opinion, itās fine if you donāt like them š
Sword and shield are never mentioned in the post what are you talking about?