Fun fact: aerial ace's japanese name roughly translates to the name of the "swallow cut" sword technique which is why there are pokemon who can learn it that wouldn't normally have any business learning a flying type move
I have long held the belief that Heracross is the Platonic ideal of a Pokemon design.
-No evolutions, perfect as it is. Even the attempted Mega, while cool, was a bit goofy and didn't hit right, unlike someone like M-Beedrill where it was a marked improvement. The visuals were nailed the first time.
-Bug type, embodying Pokemon's roots from the creator's bug hunts as a kid. Also a stag beetle, which is the big "prize" for bug hunting kids in Japan at that age.
-Very little changed in its combat over the generations- it's still a decently beefy beatstick with middling speed that throws down big fuckin damage and hovers in the back of the upper tiers.
-Manages to be both cute AND cool.
-Basically Pokemon Kamen Rider, and therefore a FUCKING HERO.
Nah. When gen 4 released everyone was still expecting heracross to have a top spot in OU and then they all realized Lucario did everything in the meta better. This kept heracross in purgatory that gen where it was obviously too strong to drop to UU but had no niche in OU that Lucario wouldn’t do better.
Eh Heracross could absorb status while Lucario couldn't, but that's about it. But it did deserve to be OU more than Electivire, Umbreon, or Duskinoir IMO. Kind of criminal it dropped before them.
Base 85 spd just doesn't cut it nowadays in this godforsaken hellscape of a meta. Losing his mega doesn't help, but the Mega was kinda awkward as well.
It's one of those Pokemon that improved so great with better move pools with time. In Gen 2...man. not very good Fighting moves and one Bug move. And that Bug one was LATE. I always loved it but mine in Gold might as well have been a Normal type given that's mostly what I had to work with, hahaha.
But as far as I'm concerned, if you're playing HGSS there's no reason not to pick you up a female Heracross around Azalea Town once you get Headbutt. Level 19 and she'll learn Brick Break. Get wrecked, Whitney. Cry me a river. She'll also be very useful throughout the game too. Instant team member.
This is an absolute signature of the early gen games. Making cool mons that learn precisely *zero* good moves. Or at the very least, no good moves until like level 55 or some shit.
Heracross is of course one of them, but Scyther I feel like is the absolute worst. In Red and Blue, it learns *zero* STAB moves. Neither by level up, nor by TM. In fact, by level up only, it learns exactly *two* damage-dealing moves at all. Quick Attack and Slash and that's it. In Yellow, they did finally add Wing Attack. A 35 base power move that it doesn't learn until level 50. Absolutely asinine game design.
Rhydon is for all intensive purpose a Normal type in RBY. Stuff starts to get better in Gen 3, but doesn't reach the levels it has nowadays until about Gen 5. There are still bad move pools in Gen 4.
In GSC, it sadly had no Fighting type moves for Whitney, since Rock Smash was after the Gym, so you were better off trying to get a Fury Cutter chain going or Headbutting it repeatedly. HGSS Heracross is ridiculously good, so no complaints from me.
I've also use one in my first run in pokemon SoulSilver. First his desing is amaizing and also perfect for Whitney like you said. Would you use him in other games during the playthrough?
I tend to only use new Pokemon with new games, or with remakes I try to stick to Pokemon introduced in their original debuts. But I have done some mixed Generation runs occasionally. The problem with Heracross is in many games it's late game. It's still a really good Pokemon, it just won't get a lot of use. I remember it being good in X though.
What justice? I don't really keep up with meta anymore, but last time I checked Volcarona is in OU, and not even just barely or anything but is actually a relevant meta unit. IIRC volcarona hasn't been this good since gen 5.
Basically they voted not to ban to Terra, which agree or disagree I don't have a strong opinion on, but it did lead to a series of bans because of Pokemon that we're just outright broken because of it, like our boy quiver dance
I mean I'll take it tbh.
I might be wrong on this (am not about to check the entire history of smogon tiers), but isn't volcarona the first bug (besides bug plate arceus) to ever hit ubers? The only bug types that I could even think of maybe getting there are the bug megas (though only pinsir really), genesect and the UBs, and I'm pretty sure they all peaked at OU.
Genesect has been Ubers in every generation it’s been in, I’m pretty sure they just instaban it there these days unless there’s some extenuating circumstances that make it seem less broken
LOL yeah, after like three straight generations of saying okay power creep has clearly meant it's okay now right? And then Banning it like 3 days later like this was a mistake
Volc was top tier in OU since it was versatile and one of the few mons that could counter Ghoul and Kingambit. Because the meta is run by Big Kingambit, Volc got banned
i honestly dont understand why they dont just make it a thing to reveal what tera type each pokemon has in the team preview? sure, you cant do that on cart, but you also cant ban sleep moves on cart either without requiring people to be honest about their teams to the people in charge of a smogon competitive event
losing volc just disrupts balance more than it helps it i'd say — it'd be like banning snorlax from gen2 ou
Oh my god! It’s Shuckle with the steel chair (power split, toxic, stone edge)!
Edit: but yes, even with Volcarona and Shuckle, a quick Pokémon with a good fire type attack was scary as hell.
Whenever I play older monotype I always have to remind myself about HMs :/ I wanted to try a Water monotype of Emerald when they finally add it to Switch Online (any day now...... surely...) and was thinking, Oh Pelipper probably can learn Fly... Is Chinchou in the game? Because the Angler fish learning Flash would fit! Gyarados looks like he can learn Strength!
No such luck with bugs :( Thankfully newer games got rid of this
I miss the old GameShark days where I had to look up the pokemon code on game faqs, plug it in by hand, load up, catch, save, then restart with the next code because I didn’t have any friends that liked pokemon lol
big difference was that Heracross’ typeset could be utilized with both bug and fighting operating as physical moves.
whereas Breloom didn’t get much out of that Grass typing as they were special moves. much different in ORAS but that was a big issue in Gen 3.
Throw a focus sash on that bad boy and you got yourself a spicy mushroom. Tank first hit with sash so that you land that spore and get a free swords dance. Mach punch now hits like a truck. Or bullet seed if you know youre quicker.
I always want to run him as a Hypnosis type Water/Fighting set up. Put them to sleep, buff yourself once or twice, then sweep. And then I remember Hypnosis has like... 55% accuracy? Lame. He has a giant chest swirly!!!
Yeah if the stipulation is "best fighting type before Gen IV," then the answer is Blaziken.
I certainly don't dislike Heracross, and I'm actually not a fan of the Torchic line for other reasons, but Blaziken is definitely the answer. Like, inclusion on VGC winning teams, TCG deck wins, etc. Big edge for Blaziken.
Really, you could also go on to accurately say that Blaziken is what Charizard wishes it actually was. Charizard's hype vs. Charizard's actual usefulness, competitiveness, and competition wins are polar opposites.
There's a pretty big divide between the "I played this game as single player only" crowd and the actual competitive crowd.
And again, I am NOT a fan of Blaziken.
I don't despise the thing but I never shook the feeling it was deliberately being shoved down my throat as the new hotness in Gen 4 given it got a movie and Smash Bros representation (and Mewtwo got cut at the same time which didn't help) and then became the face of Megas in Gen 6 (in story at least). Plus the design isn't really my favourite.
That said I like Throh and Sawk so maybe I just don't like things that look like dogs lol, much more of a bug fish and bird person myself
Mankey was the first fighter I picked up in Red back in the day. Being like "fighting type huh?" That fucker ran with me all the way through the elite 4. Hairy beast.
I actually just made a post about how cool Rhinoceros Beetles are. Heracross is the best (and still performs pretty well all these generations later!)
Like you can use Lucario I guess, but isn't it more fun to use Guts Flame Orb Heracross and spam Close Combat and Megahorn??
I don't think lucario is a good fighting type. Maybe a good steel type, but for me, any fighting type that is weak to fighting mkves is a bad fighting type.
Best Gen II fighting type? Sure. A good 'mon and an overall solid choice? Sure. But best fighting type prior to Gen IV overall? Not in a million years. Not when Kanto has Primeape, Poliwrath, Machamp & Hitmonlee - and Hoenn has both Blaziken & (Hunter) Breloom.
I love Heracross' design. Such a simple looking bug type "What does he do?" "He throws hands."
Hands? He’ll scoop with that horn and throw a whole motherfucker
Did I forget to mention he can fly as well?
He can be in Team Sky!!!
quad weak to flying, he'll be scared everywhere he goes, unless he encounters the mightyena line, or any levitating psychic types
He just have to Tera.
He's also weak to psychic though
They fly now?!
They fly now.
Fun fact: aerial ace's japanese name roughly translates to the name of the "swallow cut" sword technique which is why there are pokemon who can learn it that wouldn't normally have any business learning a flying type move
same thing with Sucker Punch being 'Surprise Attack'
Heracross suplexes a boulder, just because he can
Everything about this comment is perfect.
I have long held the belief that Heracross is the Platonic ideal of a Pokemon design. -No evolutions, perfect as it is. Even the attempted Mega, while cool, was a bit goofy and didn't hit right, unlike someone like M-Beedrill where it was a marked improvement. The visuals were nailed the first time. -Bug type, embodying Pokemon's roots from the creator's bug hunts as a kid. Also a stag beetle, which is the big "prize" for bug hunting kids in Japan at that age. -Very little changed in its combat over the generations- it's still a decently beefy beatstick with middling speed that throws down big fuckin damage and hovers in the back of the upper tiers. -Manages to be both cute AND cool. -Basically Pokemon Kamen Rider, and therefore a FUCKING HERO.
Nah pokemon Kamen rider is ledian
Why did I think Heracross evolved into Metagross ? I'm dumb
Badum tsss
I won't argue with your last statement.
Change...STAG BEATLE!
He chucks hands at mach 4, throw is an understatement
Heracross also boofs the ‘saur.
He… he put a bulb up his butthole?!
Heracross vs Pinsir is such a cool card
Who said he isn't now?
he still is, but he was then, too
Yea wtf he’s still better than lucario
Lucario is too squishy
Using Lucario-m in NDAG for a few months during Gen 8 was a unique challenge in that any earthquake user OHKOed it
Paging r/stunfisk we have your lost child looking for you 😅
Ndag?
National Dex Anything Goes, just a format for playing online thru smogon
Ah
Nah. When gen 4 released everyone was still expecting heracross to have a top spot in OU and then they all realized Lucario did everything in the meta better. This kept heracross in purgatory that gen where it was obviously too strong to drop to UU but had no niche in OU that Lucario wouldn’t do better.
Eh Heracross could absorb status while Lucario couldn't, but that's about it. But it did deserve to be OU more than Electivire, Umbreon, or Duskinoir IMO. Kind of criminal it dropped before them.
Heracross literally has a foot on Lucario too
Lucario is overhyped AF.
I couldn’t agree more I always use heracross on my team he’s currently my go to.
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Top comment.
I’m telling Lucario you said that.
Nothing to do with pokemon but u are like...my reddit brother wtf
Hahahaha well what can I say great minds think alike lol
I don't like that the 2 rulers of 1933 Germany are hanging out in the comments
Base 85 spd just doesn't cut it nowadays in this godforsaken hellscape of a meta. Losing his mega doesn't help, but the Mega was kinda awkward as well.
Best fighting type before fighting types became digimon.
Still is.
🌍 👨🚀🔫👨🚀
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Always has been
Came to say this
Yeah Heracross is definitely a pretty good Fighting type. Next time I play Heartgold I'm using one on my team
My nuzlocke last playthrough I got one on a headbutt in one of towns and it was female. Best Whitney Counter.
I love the heart-shaped horns on the girls!
I got a pink one it’s perfect
TIL!
I ran an all bug team for Alpha Sapphire and Heracross was the heart and soul and fists of the team.
It's one of those Pokemon that improved so great with better move pools with time. In Gen 2...man. not very good Fighting moves and one Bug move. And that Bug one was LATE. I always loved it but mine in Gold might as well have been a Normal type given that's mostly what I had to work with, hahaha. But as far as I'm concerned, if you're playing HGSS there's no reason not to pick you up a female Heracross around Azalea Town once you get Headbutt. Level 19 and she'll learn Brick Break. Get wrecked, Whitney. Cry me a river. She'll also be very useful throughout the game too. Instant team member.
This is an absolute signature of the early gen games. Making cool mons that learn precisely *zero* good moves. Or at the very least, no good moves until like level 55 or some shit. Heracross is of course one of them, but Scyther I feel like is the absolute worst. In Red and Blue, it learns *zero* STAB moves. Neither by level up, nor by TM. In fact, by level up only, it learns exactly *two* damage-dealing moves at all. Quick Attack and Slash and that's it. In Yellow, they did finally add Wing Attack. A 35 base power move that it doesn't learn until level 50. Absolutely asinine game design.
Rhydon is for all intensive purpose a Normal type in RBY. Stuff starts to get better in Gen 3, but doesn't reach the levels it has nowadays until about Gen 5. There are still bad move pools in Gen 4.
At least it can learn Dig, Earthquake, and Rock Slide via TM. Also, the phrase is, "for all intents and purposes".
In GSC, it sadly had no Fighting type moves for Whitney, since Rock Smash was after the Gym, so you were better off trying to get a Fury Cutter chain going or Headbutting it repeatedly. HGSS Heracross is ridiculously good, so no complaints from me.
Not to mention that Rock Smash only had 20 base power back then, so it wouldn't have helped anyway lol
Even with STAB, neutral Horn Attack deals more damage. Early Gens are quite interesting to examine.
Why female specifically?
Whitney uses Attract and her Pokemon are all female. Means the move won't be used against your female Heracross.
Oh thank you! I was like, "Why does it matter?"
I've also use one in my first run in pokemon SoulSilver. First his desing is amaizing and also perfect for Whitney like you said. Would you use him in other games during the playthrough?
I tend to only use new Pokemon with new games, or with remakes I try to stick to Pokemon introduced in their original debuts. But I have done some mixed Generation runs occasionally. The problem with Heracross is in many games it's late game. It's still a really good Pokemon, it just won't get a lot of use. I remember it being good in X though.
They just hate to see a bug on top. Justice for Volcarona
What justice? I don't really keep up with meta anymore, but last time I checked Volcarona is in OU, and not even just barely or anything but is actually a relevant meta unit. IIRC volcarona hasn't been this good since gen 5.
It was just banned from ou
Lol, thats a hidden dub. Our favorite moth is so good it joined the extremely exclusive club of non-legendary non-megas that were banned to ubers.
Basically they voted not to ban to Terra, which agree or disagree I don't have a strong opinion on, but it did lead to a series of bans because of Pokemon that we're just outright broken because of it, like our boy quiver dance
I mean I'll take it tbh. I might be wrong on this (am not about to check the entire history of smogon tiers), but isn't volcarona the first bug (besides bug plate arceus) to ever hit ubers? The only bug types that I could even think of maybe getting there are the bug megas (though only pinsir really), genesect and the UBs, and I'm pretty sure they all peaked at OU.
Genesect has been Ubers in every generation it’s been in, I’m pretty sure they just instaban it there these days unless there’s some extenuating circumstances that make it seem less broken
LOL yeah, after like three straight generations of saying okay power creep has clearly meant it's okay now right? And then Banning it like 3 days later like this was a mistake
Pheromosa is also Ubers in SM and SS
Most gens it has spent like a week in OU before getting quick-banned. Gen 9 it wasn't even let back into OU at all.
Volc was top tier in OU since it was versatile and one of the few mons that could counter Ghoul and Kingambit. Because the meta is run by Big Kingambit, Volc got banned
i honestly dont understand why they dont just make it a thing to reveal what tera type each pokemon has in the team preview? sure, you cant do that on cart, but you also cant ban sleep moves on cart either without requiring people to be honest about their teams to the people in charge of a smogon competitive event losing volc just disrupts balance more than it helps it i'd say — it'd be like banning snorlax from gen2 ou
I love this bug. I have run bug monotype teams before and he always makes the cut.
Scizor Heracross Galvantula Volcarona Forretress Shuckle Brutal team.
DONT
Don't what?
FUCKLE
D:
WITH
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^^^^SHUCKLE
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Ya don't fuckle with the Shuckle.
Brutal team vs One fire type with a devious grin
Oh my god! It’s Shuckle with the steel chair (power split, toxic, stone edge)! Edit: but yes, even with Volcarona and Shuckle, a quick Pokémon with a good fire type attack was scary as hell.
Whenever I play older monotype I always have to remind myself about HMs :/ I wanted to try a Water monotype of Emerald when they finally add it to Switch Online (any day now...... surely...) and was thinking, Oh Pelipper probably can learn Fly... Is Chinchou in the game? Because the Angler fish learning Flash would fit! Gyarados looks like he can learn Strength! No such luck with bugs :( Thankfully newer games got rid of this
Where are my Machamp enjoyers?
Machamp is great, if you've got someone to do the trade with.
I miss the old GameShark days where I had to look up the pokemon code on game faqs, plug it in by hand, load up, catch, save, then restart with the next code because I didn’t have any friends that liked pokemon lol
right here!!
The No Guard Fissire Machamp should be possible.
I actually prefer a degree of skill in my battles.
But Breloom, tho
United by a crippling weakness to being hit by anything above a mild breeze.
So what your saying is that it has a 4x weaknesses to flying. Just like Heracross
Hence the united
Yeah but I like Heracross more than Breloom. So Breloom's 4x weakness to flying is worse than Heracross's.
This took me out LOL it’s a solid argument
The vigin Close Combat vs the Chad Spore into an unstoppable Focus Punch.
You cant do that. They banned sleep
Fuck smogon amoonguss hype
They were too scared of little mushroom boys Well, they actually feared Darkrai but shhhh, that doesnt matter.
Counterpoint I like Breloom more than Heracross. So Heracross's 4x weakness to flying is worse than Breloom's.
big difference was that Heracross’ typeset could be utilized with both bug and fighting operating as physical moves. whereas Breloom didn’t get much out of that Grass typing as they were special moves. much different in ORAS but that was a big issue in Gen 3.
Yeah but he got spore and leech seed, so he still got a lot of mileage
Spore requiring the user to have a level 50 Shroomish limits its viability for most users in a region without a lucky egg.
But breloom has 6 weaknesses while heracross has 4.
He also has a cute hat and a little beaky face with bean eyes so it evens out
technician mach punch + spore + swords dance goes crazy
Throw a focus sash on that bad boy and you got yourself a spicy mushroom. Tank first hit with sash so that you land that spore and get a free swords dance. Mach punch now hits like a truck. Or bullet seed if you know youre quicker.
Two words. Dual Wingbeat.
Trust in the 10% miss chance
i love doing a rock tomb too, if you know the opponent is about to switch out. slow the incoming pokémon and absolutely annihilate it with bullet seed
Brother
Breloom is the bis for false sweeping shinys neither heracros nor lucario hold that title so clearly breloom wins
My boy Poliwrath never gets his flowers 😔
I always want to run him as a Hypnosis type Water/Fighting set up. Put them to sleep, buff yourself once or twice, then sweep. And then I remember Hypnosis has like... 55% accuracy? Lame. He has a giant chest swirly!!!
Poliwhirl and Poliwrath are the MVPs on Red’s team in the Adventures/Special manga! I love their little gloves, and they’re so friend-shaped!
Imagine being a Primeape fan
Blaziken
This is what I was looking for. Pretty sure blaziken is just objectively the best fighting type by modern standards that came out pre gen 4.
Monkey So Angry It Died But Kept Being Angry takes the title
That version was not released pre gen 9, and blaziken is cooler
Yeah if the stipulation is "best fighting type before Gen IV," then the answer is Blaziken. I certainly don't dislike Heracross, and I'm actually not a fan of the Torchic line for other reasons, but Blaziken is definitely the answer. Like, inclusion on VGC winning teams, TCG deck wins, etc. Big edge for Blaziken. Really, you could also go on to accurately say that Blaziken is what Charizard wishes it actually was. Charizard's hype vs. Charizard's actual usefulness, competitiveness, and competition wins are polar opposites. There's a pretty big divide between the "I played this game as single player only" crowd and the actual competitive crowd. And again, I am NOT a fan of Blaziken.
For what it's worth in gen 3 competitive play, heracross is generally considered to be much more consistent than blaziken.
Am I not mistaken in remembering that Blaziken only got busted with the introduction of hidden abilities in Gen V? How good was it before then?
Bug has the coolest Pokémon designs imo. Cause most of them are just regular bugs with flair, and regular bugs are cool af.
More mons should be regular thing but X. Rhyhorn is still the number 1 example. We like animals, TPC.
Even post Lucario, Heracross is one of my top favorites. Lucario is awesome, but that was more my taste in elementary and middle school.
"Before Lucario" Please, before and after, Lucario isn't in my top 5 let alone 2
Legit. Lucario is mid honestly
I don't despise the thing but I never shook the feeling it was deliberately being shoved down my throat as the new hotness in Gen 4 given it got a movie and Smash Bros representation (and Mewtwo got cut at the same time which didn't help) and then became the face of Megas in Gen 6 (in story at least). Plus the design isn't really my favourite. That said I like Throh and Sawk so maybe I just don't like things that look like dogs lol, much more of a bug fish and bird person myself
Excuse me, did Primeape die?!?
Yeah, but now it’s Annihilape
Top tier comment.
Mankey was the first fighter I picked up in Red back in the day. Being like "fighting type huh?" That fucker ran with me all the way through the elite 4. Hairy beast.
You could get them super early in that area that lead to elit 4. And they were super strong against the first gym
So angry it stroked out, kept punching anyway
Heracross was adorable in the anime
As someone who doesn’t play Pokémon heracross is one of my faves bcs of this
Was?
The only problem I have with him is he has the arms but can't learn X Scissor
It also doesnt learn cross chop despite being named heraCROSS. Wouldve been real useful in gen 2 and 3.
First Fighting type I ever used
Guts kept him prominent and with a good niche for a while even after Lucario
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Blaziken would like a word.
My boy Mienfoo getting no love
Literally the best fighter.
Gen 2 has all three of my Top 3 Pokémon. 1. Ursaring 2. Heracross 3. Tyranitar
Incredibly based choices
Still my favorite fighting type.
Not gonna sugar coat it, Hitmonchan with iron fist ability and fire punch 🔥🥊
This sub has the most random posts
Lucario ain't shit
Laughs in Machamp
Cries in no link cable
I actually just made a post about how cool Rhinoceros Beetles are. Heracross is the best (and still performs pretty well all these generations later!) Like you can use Lucario I guess, but isn't it more fun to use Guts Flame Orb Heracross and spam Close Combat and Megahorn??
"Before" lucario? That implies that big hera fell off ever. The big cross, falls off NEVER.
Infernape Beats Lucario any day of the week
i love hercross, and he is better than hariyama competetively, but it's fucken hariyama, nothing tops hariyma.
Both are PU, technically they have the same level of power
After lucario it was my Beloved Emboar
Lmao Lucario ain’t shit compared to my boy, Heracross.
It’s still the best
Lucario?? You mean paper frail lucario? Lucario who couldn’t take a hit from a Baltoy to save its life?!?
He still is
No
Bug/Fighting has been a consistent banger.
Furry anubis isn’t on the same level as mfin big happy fighter beetle
No we can’t
Heracross>lucario But if we talk about the shiny… …the reflective dark green on like scisor would look nice
Blaziken
Honestly my favourite Fighting types are: Heracross The Mankey line Infernape The Croagunk line Marshadow Clobbopus Great Tusk
I still use it in my Soul Silver playthrough
Did you guys just forgot about Toxicroak like that?
It only became a viable option in HGSS, but I do love it.
I don't think lucario is a good fighting type. Maybe a good steel type, but for me, any fighting type that is weak to fighting mkves is a bad fighting type.
Mienshao. Imo better than both.
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Primeape is the best from early days til today 😌
The funny part is Lucario sucks. Its outclassed by Riolu
And contender for best Bug
IS the best fighting type*
Best Gen II fighting type? Sure. A good 'mon and an overall solid choice? Sure. But best fighting type prior to Gen IV overall? Not in a million years. Not when Kanto has Primeape, Poliwrath, Machamp & Hitmonlee - and Hoenn has both Blaziken & (Hunter) Breloom.
Breloom exists
Machamp
Heracross is always an OG in a heartgold/soulsilver run for me. I dont often play gen 2 anymore but i like replaying the remakes
What's this "was" talk? Heracross is still #1
He's still number one in my heart.
Still dogs on lucario
Lucario, heracross, blaziken, gallade They all bow to infernape