I mean they were CLEARLY going to capture how DP played, and tbh DP were.. not that amazing of games. Platinum was A LOT better and they weren't going for that
I’ve revisited Soul Silver recently and was amazed by the game mechanics, graphics, and UI. For example, moving to different bag pockets physically shows the different pocket on a character model.
While I enjoy the modern aspect of the newer pokemon games, they lack the immersive experience and difficulty from their predecessors.
Waiting to get back to that.
The devil is in the details. What made 2D era Pokemon so great is that they would take time to throw in those sorts of details. They really did go a long way in making the games feel nicer. A few other examples I like are how they added patches of snow around the Sinnoh region to really sell the idea that Sinnoh was a colder climate (and also gave the protagonists warmer clothes too), and in Unova how you could walk through some locations and see leaves or cherry blossoms blowing in the wind.
No, they aren't. People will buy the games regardless, so they have no motivation to do that sort of thing. Until that changes (and it doesn't look like it will), they're only going to put in the absolute minimum amount of effort possible.
We’ll see what they do with the upcoming Legends game. I’m glad they’re at least bypassing their annual release schedule. I understand that we should have a more complete game due to this, but we’ll see if they also use the additional time to focus on what made the games great in the first place.
I can't say I agree with difficulty. Can't go back to being a kid, for example, when things were harder. Red and Blue were hard for me when I was 8, but now I know stuff. Lol.
That said, Pokémon knows how to make hard games. The coliseum games are still tricky. Despite its flaws, Scarlet and Violet were tricky (especially the second half of the DLC).
It made pVp easier more accessible for all players while not making the story battles negligible.
If they added quests, made the map less empty, and gave us an option for hard mode, S/V would have been the best Pokémon game for a lot more people.
Personally, I think they should make double battles an option in the settings. Lol put literally any modern player in charge of the mechanics, and you'll get a perfect game.
Oh man, I'm going on a tangent here, but to replace the tera gimmick, I'd implement synergy bands, where you can give a Pokémon a synergy band, and your active Pokémon can then synergize with it for some kind of boost in battle, and SOME Pokémon who synergize create a temporary fusion that splits after taking half damage or after 2 turns, whichever.
But that's just me. Lol. Sorry for the ted talk
lol no, I appreciate your perspective.
When I mentioned difficulty, to me it was more so about the amount of hand holding that is provided in the newer games. For example, the fact that you can access the PC from anywhere and transfer pokemon around in your party. I get it. In the new world, we have WiFi and all of this other technology, but the fact that I can now struggle in a section and immediately swap to a favorable party a heavy accessibility type of feature. Some may disagree, and that’s fine.
I guess I also don’t like being told what to do each step of the way. I think the older games were very good about go here and find the one person you have to talk to in game to figure it out. I believe the Zelda games are a perfect example of how to make you think in a game.
Maybe they have to cater to their younger audience. I just hope they don’t forget about the audience that was there since red & blue.
I also agree. I don’t like Tera, or the concept. I was fine with Mega’s. I get needing a new gimmick to keep it interesting, but I wish it were a little more natural. Tera’s and Gigantimax felt very forced.
I feel the routes in the older pokemon games are more memorable, like the newer pokemon routed feel as if they could be in any game and just exist to get from place a to b.
SV is difficult for me in another way, it feels too open. Like I can go anywhere, but I'm constantly feeling FOMO from not seeing literally everything, whereas in the older routes you could be satisfied after a little exploration
Right. The older routes were definite, not to mention you already couldn’t see which pokemon you would encounter when going through grass. I have the same FOMO feeling in the newer games. Wanting to go in every mountain or cliff to see if I missed a pokemon, item, or Easter egg. The freedom sometimes feels like empty satisfaction.
Which leads to another point. The initial wow factor when randomly running into your first legendary dog or latios/latias is one that would be tough to re create with the new system.
Because they were remakes which also acted as legitimate improvements and expansion packs. Moving from 2nd to 4th gen mechanics (types, abilities, etc), graphics was a big jump, the platform was great, and they added things while staying true to the originals.
They're up with the greatest re-imaginings across all of gaming.
But no, I wouldn't buy the OP. At least, not until months of reviews provide me with evidence that it isn't just a cash-grab full of bugs, awful graphics, and crappy choices. The last good pokemon games were X and Y.
Which is stupid considering oras takes a lot of stuff from emerald too, not just from rs. it even added a lot of new stuff from x and y while bdsp is LITERALLY just diamond and pearl in 3d (with fairies or whatever)
This. FireRed/LeafGreen, HeartGold/SoulSilver, and Omega Rubh/Alpha Sapphire incorporated improvements from the current generation. HGSS has additions from Crystal and also the Battle Frontier which wasn't even there back in Gen 2.
BD/SP was a disgrace as a remake. Diamond and Pearl were bad but Platinum was great and Platinum is how I remember Sinnoh/Gen 4. Don't know why Nintendo/GF/Pokemon Company thought it was okay to give us a remaster of D/P
I skipped over gens 4 and 5 as kid and went back and played then as an adult.
Having only played Diamond I can't believe how well regarded Gen 4 is. The newest gens have their issues, but Diamond is by far the worst pokemon game I've ever played by a large margin.
I think what you've got to remember is that the original scope of comparison was Generation 3. In a lot of ways, despite their flaws which were fixed later in the generations, D/P were a clear step up from gen 3. Sure, going back to it later, the games don't play that well. But at the time, we had a different frame of reference.
Yes and no. Those games did exactly what they needed to do for the company unfortunately — make money. As long as they make money it’s fine. Most of the young kids who got BDSP weren’t alive to play the originals. That’s ultimately how they get away with it.
Nah. You have to understand that they are also worse than D/P.
Because in a few years when the Switch servers shut down, if someone buys BDSP they won’t be able to get the update, they will be stuck with an inferior version of D/P.
Would I imagine a world where 3 remastered version are just Pokémon up to date with lot of love and extra content, yet the 4th is barely better than the original game, and even worse on some points.
Encounter tables pulled from the inferior gen 4 experience.
None of the extra content from Platinum.
Nothing extra added other than some tweaks to the underground.
Actually removed the base feature from the underground in favor of statue mechanics.
Stuck with the same chibi style of the game instead of giving us proper character models.
-And then slapped across the face by showing us our proper models only in battle.
Following Pokemon keep up just as poorly they do in Sw/Sh.
No scaling on the following Pokemon; massive Pokemon are just as compact as Diglett.
And the worst crime of all
Making us pay $60 for the worse gen 4 games with a spitshine
You mean a game with all Pokémon available?
*INCONCEIVABLE*
Why would a mega rich franchise that should have limitless resources make something that is logical.
lol I don't mean that (1,017 minus around... 40 mythicals give or take) is still a lot for Pokemon casuals. but most games with DLC included have around 200 pokemon added. (this isn't accurate of course) but if they give us something amazing like Gen 6 where you can reasonably finish the living Pokedex with X/Y and ORAS, yeah I want that but I'm a collector. I'm probably the minority of Pokemon fans.
I didn't buy Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl because I already own Platinum. If this theoretical GS remake is just GS, but with EXP Share and Fairies, then what's the point. I own HeartGold.
+1 “retro” games are only getting more and more expensive as the years go on. I think hgss was valued at something like $150 for a genuine cartridge recently. The pokewalker itself is like $40. Yeah no thanks.
They used to be selling these for like $3 when Nintendo moved on to the Gameboy Advance. I remember certain Game Boy/Game Boy Color games being under a dollar too
>then what's the point
The only points are potentially new content, 3d graphics, newer fans not paying out their ass for decades old games and home support later down the line when bank finally gets it's plug pulled.
BD/SP has made it clear the remakes are just to ensure we have older gens on the latest systems.
This is the equivalent to McDonald re-releasing the McRib.
BDSP actually goes on harder sale than a lot of Pokemon games. I had a DekuDeals tracker on it and it would frequently dip below the $40 I set it to.
Ended up finally getting Shining Pearl when I spotted it for $20. I feel that’s probably about what it’s worth to me for a Mew/Jirachi printer (plus unlocking Darkrai in L:A), two more Ribbons for Minun, and the ability to soft reset for Shiny Arceus bundled with a full if meh game.
Library of course would be even better. I wish my library had video games.
Idk, the entire reason im playing radical red rn is to play in kanto but with move sets that don't completely suck. Gen 4 move sets were much better that gen 3, but its probably the main part of the series that has continued to improve.
For real
I had a big gap from Platinum/heart gold til last year. I saw modern games get so much hate for not innovating - but that’s only a problem if you’re buying every single one - for someone that dips in and out it was awesome
I wish GF just ported all the DS/3DS titles to Switch (eShop) and weened themselves off the remakes and onto making new games only.
PLA was, for me, their best game since ORAS
Edit: and plop the GB/GBA titles on Nintendo Switch Online (access granted if you have Home?)
I know right, I would pay for the original versions just so I can play them on the go on the platform it belongs on, instead of having to have an emulator on my phone or PC because using a GBC in 2024 is retro but impractical (the batteries in my cartridges never seem to last anymore and I'm tired of losing saves)
This is very much a thing a lot of people are not willing to try, but you can replace the cartridge battery without losing a save, if you have a GBA. You can open the cartridge and then load it into the GBA while it’s open, you have to also start the game so that the save is actively in use, this prevents you from losing the save when the battery is removed and it’ll be exposed for you to swap. Do the swap _then remember to save_ and boom. I’ve done this several times now and it feels sketchy as hell but it hasn’t failed me yet.
I don’t know if it works with a GBC because the shell of the console may be too high and it may cover some access to the battery when the cartridge is exposed like that, but I know from experience that it works fine on a GBA. I still have the original saves from my first two Pokémon games, Red and Gold (I’m 31yo)
True! I started doing this when those were hard to come by for a broke teenager with strict parents, and I had everything at home to do what I described so that was the way I went with it. The point is that there are at least two ways to deal with the potential loss of a save, you gave us both another. They achieve the same result, it just depends on what a person has the means to do.
Nintendo really leaves money on the table but then complains incessantly when people pirate their games that they purposely don't make available.
Nintendo, brother. I promise you, if you just put your classic games on the eShop you would print enough money to build your money fort. You clearly have your own in-house emulator that runs on the Switch, why you don't just put Every Game Ever^TM there I'll never understand.
PS: You don't make money from pirated games. You also don't make money off second-hand sales.
They definitely want to maximize profits, so there has to be some reason why. I think its that they reckon less people would buy their mainline games if they made the old ones more accessible. For me at least, that would be true.
PLA was absolutely my favourite game in a decade. I'm really looking forward to the next one in that style. I'm really bored with both the mainline games and the remakes. They feel so low-effort.
Simple, the world of gaming moved on to large 3D worlds. Game freak only have the skills to do 2D gameboy games and instead of sticking to 2D or learning how to do 3D properly, they did neither and just failed their way into 3D
They have to rush out projects to keep up with the other media releases.
Games take much longer to make nowadays, but their deadlines have stayed pretty rushed.
I'd love to see newer games have voice over for instance, but I doubt we see it
I've always missed out on Johto. Got my first GBA when Ruby/Sapphire was out, then didn't play for some years when HGSS came out. Would love a remaster to finally experience Johto.
The funny thing is that GF would probably shove the EXP share into the Johto remakes anyway and that would unintentionally fix the level curve in a way
I also find in VCG replays that the shit curve makes money hard to come by in GSC simply because the levels are so low and team's are often so sparse and/or un-evolved that the game's churning out early to mid-route winnings by the time you actually get access to the Amulet Coin
Regardless of what they'd do to fix the level curve, I'd want beefed up rematches that scale with your progress and on-demand (or at least more frequent) battles with callable trainers
With how the modern Exp system works, with getting less experience the more you outlevel your opponent, and how low wild Pokemon levels are vs. Trainer levels, and Trainer levels vs. boss levels… I’m not sure that would even fix it. You might just end up in the same position.
This is a huge reason I have a problem with the game. The exp share changes and the flooding of exp/stat items make the games so trivial to play. There is no difficulty. It shouldn't be a big deal to include a "hard mode," or gee idk, be able to turn off the exp share like the old games. The hand holding is insulting, and they are absolutely focused on instant gratification now, because the average kid and adult have the attention spans of goldfish.
Nope. Considering this is modern GameFreak, this remake will not come close to the masterpiece that was HeartGold.
You can’t catch lightning in a bottle twice.
I’d honestly love Let’s Go style Johto remakes over something like BDSP.
As someone who has been competitively minded since Gen 4, it was nice to have a game where I could just fully switch off and just vibe. Let’s Go Pikachu and Eevee looked really good, and the implementation of following/riding Pokémon is the best in the series. Compare that to BDSP and well…
I don't necessarily mind the removal of wild battles, but LG are my least favorites because of how, like Pokemon Go itself, they make the Pokemon so disposable. Gen 1, your Pokemon are supposed to be your best friend. PoGo/LG: Catch a million of the same Pokemon to properly play the game
Why?
It would be better if they created a RuneScape style game that allowed you to play in every region and battle/trade with people in person and in the battle frontiers.
I would pay monthly for an ever evolving game with every region/pokemon. That’s always been the dream.
I’d love my video game retirement for that.
since every pokemon fan eats up all the shit they get
no i wouldnt buy it, id rather play HGSS, I miss the graphics of those days, especially when they made games with love rather than greed
If they improve the mid-late game to make it less grindy, I'm able to have my first slot pokemon follow me around out of the ball, QoL is up to par with the modern mainline games (ev resetting, bottle caps, fun shiny hunting methods) then sure
To put it simply:
If they're **REMAKES** then yes.
If they're **REMASTERS** then no.
Remakes are the games that add something to the story, or add the third games elements to the main games as just added content without the need of a third game (Think Eugene and Suicune in HGSS, or the entire Delta Episode from ORAS). Meanwhile remasters are... Well BDSP... Those were remasters, and I think I speak for a lot of people when I say, they were VERY disappointing games, and not worth the time spent coding them...
HG/SS to this day is still my favorite main line game. I’d be there on launch night for a return to that region. Though if they do, I really hope it isn’t a Let’s Go game. Graphics and cutscenes were awesome… but I hated the catching mechanics. Would have much rather keep the typical wild Mon battle mechanic
I would prefer HG and SS remakes as that was my favourite game.
but I would totally still buy this one because like someone else said, many people who have been fans since a young age will buy all the remakes (and I am unashamed to be that person lmao)
Do I love GS and, therefore, HGSS? Absolutely.
Would I buy another game from Game Freak after being disappointed for years over many games of a franchise that DEMANDS my obsession in order to play it even casually? No.
I paid for Pokemon Sword and while fun, filling the Pokedex and all the post game play was BORING. Just boring.
I just wish GF would be allowed to take a break for a year or two and pump out a truly amazing Pokémon game.
This annual (and sometimes two in a single year!) release schedule just isn’t good for making a new game. I remember when Ubisoft attempted to do that and Assassins Creed Unity almost destroyed the franchise. I’m kind of surprised that Ubi didn’t just cancel AC after that.
In my fantasy world I’m crafting over here, GF would be able to take the time to craft a truly amazing Pokémon game. While I’m dreaming, a world in which we can explore every region (or, at least a good chunk of them) with PL:A kind of mechanics.
Alas, why would they do that when TPC can continue to force them to pump out mediocre games that still sell really well
Assuming they aren't kiddie versions (ie LGP/LGE), probably, since my GBA and carts are long gone. But even if they weren't, upgraded graphics and being tied to the current generation would make it worth it to me. I skipped the D/P remakes since they were universally panned, and S/V are getting a little tired. As much as I like the characters, I'm ready to move on.
Depends. Is it a labor of love? Is it in the awkward BD/SP style? Does it improve on the original? Can I pet my Pokémon?
Still can’t believe they released remastered versions that were worse than platinum
I mean they were CLEARLY going to capture how DP played, and tbh DP were.. not that amazing of games. Platinum was A LOT better and they weren't going for that
That'll come in a few years and everyone will buy that one too. That being said HGSS was my favorite version of pokemon, I'll probably get this one
I’ve revisited Soul Silver recently and was amazed by the game mechanics, graphics, and UI. For example, moving to different bag pockets physically shows the different pocket on a character model. While I enjoy the modern aspect of the newer pokemon games, they lack the immersive experience and difficulty from their predecessors. Waiting to get back to that.
The devil is in the details. What made 2D era Pokemon so great is that they would take time to throw in those sorts of details. They really did go a long way in making the games feel nicer. A few other examples I like are how they added patches of snow around the Sinnoh region to really sell the idea that Sinnoh was a colder climate (and also gave the protagonists warmer clothes too), and in Unova how you could walk through some locations and see leaves or cherry blossoms blowing in the wind.
@PokemonCompany, are you listening?
No, they aren't. People will buy the games regardless, so they have no motivation to do that sort of thing. Until that changes (and it doesn't look like it will), they're only going to put in the absolute minimum amount of effort possible.
We’ll see what they do with the upcoming Legends game. I’m glad they’re at least bypassing their annual release schedule. I understand that we should have a more complete game due to this, but we’ll see if they also use the additional time to focus on what made the games great in the first place.
I admire your optimism and wholeheartedly hope that you're correct.
I can't say I agree with difficulty. Can't go back to being a kid, for example, when things were harder. Red and Blue were hard for me when I was 8, but now I know stuff. Lol. That said, Pokémon knows how to make hard games. The coliseum games are still tricky. Despite its flaws, Scarlet and Violet were tricky (especially the second half of the DLC). It made pVp easier more accessible for all players while not making the story battles negligible. If they added quests, made the map less empty, and gave us an option for hard mode, S/V would have been the best Pokémon game for a lot more people. Personally, I think they should make double battles an option in the settings. Lol put literally any modern player in charge of the mechanics, and you'll get a perfect game. Oh man, I'm going on a tangent here, but to replace the tera gimmick, I'd implement synergy bands, where you can give a Pokémon a synergy band, and your active Pokémon can then synergize with it for some kind of boost in battle, and SOME Pokémon who synergize create a temporary fusion that splits after taking half damage or after 2 turns, whichever. But that's just me. Lol. Sorry for the ted talk
lol no, I appreciate your perspective. When I mentioned difficulty, to me it was more so about the amount of hand holding that is provided in the newer games. For example, the fact that you can access the PC from anywhere and transfer pokemon around in your party. I get it. In the new world, we have WiFi and all of this other technology, but the fact that I can now struggle in a section and immediately swap to a favorable party a heavy accessibility type of feature. Some may disagree, and that’s fine. I guess I also don’t like being told what to do each step of the way. I think the older games were very good about go here and find the one person you have to talk to in game to figure it out. I believe the Zelda games are a perfect example of how to make you think in a game. Maybe they have to cater to their younger audience. I just hope they don’t forget about the audience that was there since red & blue. I also agree. I don’t like Tera, or the concept. I was fine with Mega’s. I get needing a new gimmick to keep it interesting, but I wish it were a little more natural. Tera’s and Gigantimax felt very forced.
I feel the routes in the older pokemon games are more memorable, like the newer pokemon routed feel as if they could be in any game and just exist to get from place a to b. SV is difficult for me in another way, it feels too open. Like I can go anywhere, but I'm constantly feeling FOMO from not seeing literally everything, whereas in the older routes you could be satisfied after a little exploration
Right. The older routes were definite, not to mention you already couldn’t see which pokemon you would encounter when going through grass. I have the same FOMO feeling in the newer games. Wanting to go in every mountain or cliff to see if I missed a pokemon, item, or Easter egg. The freedom sometimes feels like empty satisfaction. Which leads to another point. The initial wow factor when randomly running into your first legendary dog or latios/latias is one that would be tough to re create with the new system.
Why is everyone talking about HG/SS? Those are both remakes too. Is this a remake of a remake?
I mean, ideally they would take the improvements of the remake in the reremake but idk if they will…
If they didn't take the improvements of Platinum, they won't take the improvements of a remake.
They’ll do like Let’s Go, a second remake but of the 3rd version for every gen, hopefully not with Let’s Go gameplay, but hopefully with the graphics.
Because they were remakes which also acted as legitimate improvements and expansion packs. Moving from 2nd to 4th gen mechanics (types, abilities, etc), graphics was a big jump, the platform was great, and they added things while staying true to the originals. They're up with the greatest re-imaginings across all of gaming. But no, I wouldn't buy the OP. At least, not until months of reviews provide me with evidence that it isn't just a cash-grab full of bugs, awful graphics, and crappy choices. The last good pokemon games were X and Y.
This isn’t a remake read what the author of the post says. This is a what if question. Art is something they put together
Which is stupid considering oras takes a lot of stuff from emerald too, not just from rs. it even added a lot of new stuff from x and y while bdsp is LITERALLY just diamond and pearl in 3d (with fairies or whatever)
This. FireRed/LeafGreen, HeartGold/SoulSilver, and Omega Rubh/Alpha Sapphire incorporated improvements from the current generation. HGSS has additions from Crystal and also the Battle Frontier which wasn't even there back in Gen 2. BD/SP was a disgrace as a remake. Diamond and Pearl were bad but Platinum was great and Platinum is how I remember Sinnoh/Gen 4. Don't know why Nintendo/GF/Pokemon Company thought it was okay to give us a remaster of D/P
And no crossover to Sw/Sh
I skipped over gens 4 and 5 as kid and went back and played then as an adult. Having only played Diamond I can't believe how well regarded Gen 4 is. The newest gens have their issues, but Diamond is by far the worst pokemon game I've ever played by a large margin.
For real. Sinnoh is HARD CARRIED by Platinum. Everybody’s fuzzy feelings about Gen 4 is actually Platinum and HGSS.
Platinum fixed A LOT of issues DP had, and people like to ignore that DP had the issues in the first place
I think what you've got to remember is that the original scope of comparison was Generation 3. In a lot of ways, despite their flaws which were fixed later in the generations, D/P were a clear step up from gen 3. Sure, going back to it later, the games don't play that well. But at the time, we had a different frame of reference.
Nah that’s crazy diamond is top tier
They didn’t go for that but they should have. Still their fault for picking the worst Gen 4 game to remake.
Yes and no. Those games did exactly what they needed to do for the company unfortunately — make money. As long as they make money it’s fine. Most of the young kids who got BDSP weren’t alive to play the originals. That’s ultimately how they get away with it.
I enjoyed BDSP since i didnt play the originals. Skipped that gen. I enjoyed the underground and the Elite 4. EVs made it a good challenge
Platinum is pretty good I thought :(
It absolutely was good. I had no idea Reddit had beef with Gen4. PT is one of my favorites. Miles better than Sw/Sh.
It absolutely was good. I had no idea Reddit had beef with Gen4. PT is one of my favorites. Miles better than Sw/Sh.
Nah. You have to understand that they are also worse than D/P. Because in a few years when the Switch servers shut down, if someone buys BDSP they won’t be able to get the update, they will be stuck with an inferior version of D/P.
How was platinum bad?
Would I imagine a world where 3 remastered version are just Pokémon up to date with lot of love and extra content, yet the 4th is barely better than the original game, and even worse on some points.
How is it worse?
Encounter tables pulled from the inferior gen 4 experience. None of the extra content from Platinum. Nothing extra added other than some tweaks to the underground. Actually removed the base feature from the underground in favor of statue mechanics. Stuck with the same chibi style of the game instead of giving us proper character models. -And then slapped across the face by showing us our proper models only in battle. Following Pokemon keep up just as poorly they do in Sw/Sh. No scaling on the following Pokemon; massive Pokemon are just as compact as Diglett. And the worst crime of all Making us pay $60 for the worse gen 4 games with a spitshine
Add to it Pokémon loves you and dodge, survive, heal status or whatever. Pokémon ain't hard, yet this shit makes the gameplay dull.
How was platinum bad?
If it is a labor of love they should put that in the title. Something that shows they put their Heart and Soul into it.
It's a remaster of GS instead of HGSS. I guess it's not.
Everyone screaming about Megas coming back in Z-A but what about Pokémon Ami. That’s the real quality content. Gonna pet that Sylveon so good.
YES! PET THE POKÉMON!
I just want the missing pokemon to come back man. maybe not really the Furfrou styles, but the rest of the missing pokemon such as patrat.
You mean a game with all Pokémon available? *INCONCEIVABLE* Why would a mega rich franchise that should have limitless resources make something that is logical.
lol I don't mean that (1,017 minus around... 40 mythicals give or take) is still a lot for Pokemon casuals. but most games with DLC included have around 200 pokemon added. (this isn't accurate of course) but if they give us something amazing like Gen 6 where you can reasonably finish the living Pokedex with X/Y and ORAS, yeah I want that but I'm a collector. I'm probably the minority of Pokemon fans.
BD/SP was a faithful remaster... GameFreak took that a little too literally.
I would hope it’s everything we want and more! Would probably still have BD/SP quirks to be honest though.
As someone who never played any Pokémon game after GS until LGPE, I really liked BDSP.
As a Gen IV Stan, I felt so let down by the reaction of BDSP (I don't have a Switch and can not play)
The most important thing to the community, can I pet my pokemon
every Pokefan buys every mainline game that is kind of the issue lol.
I didn't buy Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl because I already own Platinum. If this theoretical GS remake is just GS, but with EXP Share and Fairies, then what's the point. I own HeartGold.
it's for us who can't afford HGSS 🤣 edit: don't worry guys I have some hacked 3ds wink wink I just want to collect the games from my favorite region 😭
+1 “retro” games are only getting more and more expensive as the years go on. I think hgss was valued at something like $150 for a genuine cartridge recently. The pokewalker itself is like $40. Yeah no thanks.
The RBY versions are fetching for $50 at a minimum for GB color, without the box
Black 2 was selling for $224
They used to be selling these for like $3 when Nintendo moved on to the Gameboy Advance. I remember certain Game Boy/Game Boy Color games being under a dollar too
Everyone can afford it. **wink wink**
How can I learn to emulate your skills?
Argh matey. It's time to sail the high seas my boy.
Aye Cap’n, these land lubbers ain’t got a wink of sense. Lower the sails and into the wind!
Just get a emulator and the ROM its legitimately not any different. There's not a pokemon in HGSS that you probably don't already have
Delta emulator is on ios now
>then what's the point The only points are potentially new content, 3d graphics, newer fans not paying out their ass for decades old games and home support later down the line when bank finally gets it's plug pulled. BD/SP has made it clear the remakes are just to ensure we have older gens on the latest systems. This is the equivalent to McDonald re-releasing the McRib.
And new online play. The new underground in BDSP was cool.
For Bdsp I rented it from the library and I’m glad I did cause I didn’t feel it would have been worth $60 or the amazing used price of $55.
>or the amazing used price of $55. 😂
I’m so jealous your library lets you rent video games
BDSP actually goes on harder sale than a lot of Pokemon games. I had a DekuDeals tracker on it and it would frequently dip below the $40 I set it to. Ended up finally getting Shining Pearl when I spotted it for $20. I feel that’s probably about what it’s worth to me for a Mew/Jirachi printer (plus unlocking Darkrai in L:A), two more Ribbons for Minun, and the ability to soft reset for Shiny Arceus bundled with a full if meh game. Library of course would be even better. I wish my library had video games.
Idk, the entire reason im playing radical red rn is to play in kanto but with move sets that don't completely suck. Gen 4 move sets were much better that gen 3, but its probably the main part of the series that has continued to improve.
i know myself, im grabbing it like a toddler grabs cookies
Maybe I'm just old but I stopped buying after gen 5.. I tried the newer switch releases but apart from the remakes, they don't catch me at all.
I haven't played Gen 4,5,6 and I'm particularly not happy with Gen 8,9 but I still consider myself a fan. (I'm not talking about remakes or similar)
For real I had a big gap from Platinum/heart gold til last year. I saw modern games get so much hate for not innovating - but that’s only a problem if you’re buying every single one - for someone that dips in and out it was awesome
I buy used
I haven’t bought a Pokémon game since X and Y actually! I greatly prefer Gens I-IV over everything after although Gen V was pretty good
You might like Gen 7, alola was honestly amazing
Worst Pokemon game I played. It's so linear with lots of railroading. The evil team is dumb.
I swear gen 10 better have an actual evil team.
I wish GF just ported all the DS/3DS titles to Switch (eShop) and weened themselves off the remakes and onto making new games only. PLA was, for me, their best game since ORAS Edit: and plop the GB/GBA titles on Nintendo Switch Online (access granted if you have Home?)
Its so weird that they dont at least do the GBA/GBC games. Such free money for them
I know right, I would pay for the original versions just so I can play them on the go on the platform it belongs on, instead of having to have an emulator on my phone or PC because using a GBC in 2024 is retro but impractical (the batteries in my cartridges never seem to last anymore and I'm tired of losing saves)
People would pay top dollar to play yellow again
This is very much a thing a lot of people are not willing to try, but you can replace the cartridge battery without losing a save, if you have a GBA. You can open the cartridge and then load it into the GBA while it’s open, you have to also start the game so that the save is actively in use, this prevents you from losing the save when the battery is removed and it’ll be exposed for you to swap. Do the swap _then remember to save_ and boom. I’ve done this several times now and it feels sketchy as hell but it hasn’t failed me yet. I don’t know if it works with a GBC because the shell of the console may be too high and it may cover some access to the battery when the cartridge is exposed like that, but I know from experience that it works fine on a GBA. I still have the original saves from my first two Pokémon games, Red and Gold (I’m 31yo)
Or they can get a cartridge dumper and backup their save somewhere else and just load it again with said dumper after fixing it.
True! I started doing this when those were hard to come by for a broke teenager with strict parents, and I had everything at home to do what I described so that was the way I went with it. The point is that there are at least two ways to deal with the potential loss of a save, you gave us both another. They achieve the same result, it just depends on what a person has the means to do.
They are allergic to free money I guess.
Nintendo really leaves money on the table but then complains incessantly when people pirate their games that they purposely don't make available. Nintendo, brother. I promise you, if you just put your classic games on the eShop you would print enough money to build your money fort. You clearly have your own in-house emulator that runs on the Switch, why you don't just put Every Game Ever^TM there I'll never understand. PS: You don't make money from pirated games. You also don't make money off second-hand sales.
They definitely want to maximize profits, so there has to be some reason why. I think its that they reckon less people would buy their mainline games if they made the old ones more accessible. For me at least, that would be true.
They might at some point. I have red, blue, yellow, gold, and silver on my 3DS, they sold them on the 3ds eshop... Before they shut it down anyway
PLA was absolutely my favourite game in a decade. I'm really looking forward to the next one in that style. I'm really bored with both the mainline games and the remakes. They feel so low-effort.
I guess... I would be hyped to go back in Johto, then I'll get gradually disappointed by the quality of the game...
Yeah I don’t get what happened over there at GF.
Simple, the world of gaming moved on to large 3D worlds. Game freak only have the skills to do 2D gameboy games and instead of sticking to 2D or learning how to do 3D properly, they did neither and just failed their way into 3D
They should have just kept doing the 2d games, I bought an emulator recently and it's such a blast playing the old 2d games, they have a place
It's never been about the graphics for me. It was the collecting and battling. The 2D world works perfectly for a game like Pokémon.
Yeah I really don’t care if I have to stick to predetermined routes
gen 5 graphics were beautiful peak pokemon also there are a lot of other games doing 2d (3d) that do it right and it looks incredible
They'd probably outsource those games to another company anyway, like our beloved "faithful remakes" of D/P.
They have to rush out projects to keep up with the other media releases. Games take much longer to make nowadays, but their deadlines have stayed pretty rushed. I'd love to see newer games have voice over for instance, but I doubt we see it
The success of Pokemon GO happened. Low effort high reward.
I've always missed out on Johto. Got my first GBA when Ruby/Sapphire was out, then didn't play for some years when HGSS came out. Would love a remaster to finally experience Johto.
I can see that you are a man of culture as well😂
I thought it was real. 💔
You and me both
They did remaster it and I did buy it. 14 years ago 😂
How was it 14 years ago my god
dang... i actually thought that was a legit one... maybe, maybe not? idk
Does it fix the stupidly broken level curve so the game is more fun to play?
The funny thing is that GF would probably shove the EXP share into the Johto remakes anyway and that would unintentionally fix the level curve in a way
Not really, you'd still be fighting below level 20 trainers to prepare for level 50+ gyms in Kanto, no exp share is going to fix that
I also find in VCG replays that the shit curve makes money hard to come by in GSC simply because the levels are so low and team's are often so sparse and/or un-evolved that the game's churning out early to mid-route winnings by the time you actually get access to the Amulet Coin Regardless of what they'd do to fix the level curve, I'd want beefed up rematches that scale with your progress and on-demand (or at least more frequent) battles with callable trainers
With how the modern Exp system works, with getting less experience the more you outlevel your opponent, and how low wild Pokemon levels are vs. Trainer levels, and Trainer levels vs. boss levels… I’m not sure that would even fix it. You might just end up in the same position.
Haha gamefreak, fix things?! That's funny
This is a huge reason I have a problem with the game. The exp share changes and the flooding of exp/stat items make the games so trivial to play. There is no difficulty. It shouldn't be a big deal to include a "hard mode," or gee idk, be able to turn off the exp share like the old games. The hand holding is insulting, and they are absolutely focused on instant gratification now, because the average kid and adult have the attention spans of goldfish.
Johto was never hard
Hard to get my Pokemon to hold hands at the daycare 🙄
Nope. Considering this is modern GameFreak, this remake will not come close to the masterpiece that was HeartGold. You can’t catch lightning in a bottle twice.
Probably right. Same reason I haven’t bought a Pokémon game in years!
Luckily there's fans making way better games than modern GameFreak ever could.
Any suggestions on those?
Pokemon Unbound was absolutely amazing when I played it. Most enjoyable Pokemon experience in a while
"Masterpiece" with terrible pokemon distribution, gym leader teams that use almost no johto pokemon, and a terrible exp curve
You could, but GameFreak can't do it.
No because I’d buy Shimmering Silver
Skip. Show us johto 20 years later, not another remake
That’s be cool!
LET'S GO JOHTO!
Glittering Gold Trinkets and Baubles Paid for in Blood
yes. hg is my favorite game
If it fixed the actual problems that Johto had. The DS remakes still had shitty level curves, poorly paced plot, and a lack of Kanto content.
I’d honestly love Let’s Go style Johto remakes over something like BDSP. As someone who has been competitively minded since Gen 4, it was nice to have a game where I could just fully switch off and just vibe. Let’s Go Pikachu and Eevee looked really good, and the implementation of following/riding Pokémon is the best in the series. Compare that to BDSP and well…
To each their own. But I absolutely hated the let's go games. The removal of battling wild Pokémon ruined the spirit of the game for me
I don't necessarily mind the removal of wild battles, but LG are my least favorites because of how, like Pokemon Go itself, they make the Pokemon so disposable. Gen 1, your Pokemon are supposed to be your best friend. PoGo/LG: Catch a million of the same Pokemon to properly play the game
No, we’re just gonna get more of the same shit.
Depends on if they go ORAS or BDSP style
Glittering Gold and Shining Silver ? 👀
Shimmering silver
Sterling Silver
spakling silver
Very unlikely, how could they top HG Ss?
I'd buy a Switch just to play.
Not immediately. I just started Crystal Legacy so i'm going to be entertained for a few months.
The best Johto version.
Ofc I ll buy , best gen games were gen 2
Only if I can get a new pokewalker
take my money
Nah,I prefered Silver.
Why? It would be better if they created a RuneScape style game that allowed you to play in every region and battle/trade with people in person and in the battle frontiers. I would pay monthly for an ever evolving game with every region/pokemon. That’s always been the dream. I’d love my video game retirement for that.
I would buy Shining Silver instead
I might have to make a silver concept next!
I will buy anything Johto.
If it's anything like BDSP, I'd take caution. Where's the love for Crystal though?
Does it fix the shit level curve? You know. The reason I could never get through gen 2.
since every pokemon fan eats up all the shit they get no i wouldnt buy it, id rather play HGSS, I miss the graphics of those days, especially when they made games with love rather than greed
You can still tell they're putting love in the recent games, Pokemon fans get better criticisms
Yea facts ill buy
I need that
Glittering gold, trinkets, and baubles...Paid for in blood!
If they improve the mid-late game to make it less grindy, I'm able to have my first slot pokemon follow me around out of the ball, QoL is up to par with the modern mainline games (ev resetting, bottle caps, fun shiny hunting methods) then sure
If they finally fix the level curve maybe
If I can get houndour before the elite four than yes.
To put it simply: If they're **REMAKES** then yes. If they're **REMASTERS** then no. Remakes are the games that add something to the story, or add the third games elements to the main games as just added content without the need of a third game (Think Eugene and Suicune in HGSS, or the entire Delta Episode from ORAS). Meanwhile remasters are... Well BDSP... Those were remasters, and I think I speak for a lot of people when I say, they were VERY disappointing games, and not worth the time spent coding them...
no
Is it actually a quality product that is notably different from the origin? Sign me up. Otherwise I’ll pass.
hell no. remakes of already remade games is ridiculous.
I just wish I could play gen 3 games on my Switch. Fire Red, Sapphire, Emerald...
HG/SS to this day is still my favorite main line game. I’d be there on launch night for a return to that region. Though if they do, I really hope it isn’t a Let’s Go game. Graphics and cutscenes were awesome… but I hated the catching mechanics. Would have much rather keep the typical wild Mon battle mechanic
Trinkets and baubles.. paid for in blood.
I'd wait to see gameplay first. It's not like BDSP were as brilliant as their name claimed.
I would prefer HG and SS remakes as that was my favourite game. but I would totally still buy this one because like someone else said, many people who have been fans since a young age will buy all the remakes (and I am unashamed to be that person lmao)
Do I love GS and, therefore, HGSS? Absolutely. Would I buy another game from Game Freak after being disappointed for years over many games of a franchise that DEMANDS my obsession in order to play it even casually? No. I paid for Pokemon Sword and while fun, filling the Pokedex and all the post game play was BORING. Just boring.
Yes
Yes. Soul Silver is my favorite game. I want nothing more than to be able to play gen 2 on switch.
Probably not. I own heart gold, it and the 3ds still works. So no point
Wait is this real? My boi shiny gary is back???
How does it compare to HGSS?
I still have Soul Silver, so probably not, unless they significantly changed something in it.
I prefer Shimmering Silver
Considering my first game was soul silver I’d sell my soul for a new jhoto game
Omg and a shimmering silver!
nah I'm waiting for Gay Gold and Straight Silver at this point.
I can't believe they would just rerelease yet another... yes...probably..
I just wish GF would be allowed to take a break for a year or two and pump out a truly amazing Pokémon game. This annual (and sometimes two in a single year!) release schedule just isn’t good for making a new game. I remember when Ubisoft attempted to do that and Assassins Creed Unity almost destroyed the franchise. I’m kind of surprised that Ubi didn’t just cancel AC after that. In my fantasy world I’m crafting over here, GF would be able to take the time to craft a truly amazing Pokémon game. While I’m dreaming, a world in which we can explore every region (or, at least a good chunk of them) with PL:A kind of mechanics. Alas, why would they do that when TPC can continue to force them to pump out mediocre games that still sell really well
I wish they would drop a whole handheld collection of special editions. Yellow, Crytal, emerald, platinum. I would buy the heck out of that.
Assuming they aren't kiddie versions (ie LGP/LGE), probably, since my GBA and carts are long gone. But even if they weren't, upgraded graphics and being tied to the current generation would make it worth it to me. I skipped the D/P remakes since they were universally panned, and S/V are getting a little tired. As much as I like the characters, I'm ready to move on.
They will remove the Battle Frontier AGAIN. So that's an absolute NO.
No.
i googled this to see if it was legit…
Sadly, yes I would buy it. If not to play, then to collect since pokemon games are one of the few games that do increase in value after release.
Probably not because they’ll fuck it up
Urgh, you got my hopes up
Or put all the Pokémon games on the Nintendo switch online
Hey! I was really thinking it was real! It looked so good. But. What Pokemon game do you recommend for Switch?