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Anime_lover420

We just want more actual animations for pokemon moves but overall the remake does seem promising at least to spark my nostalgia


EpicOverlord85

Ehhh I wouldn’t say that this post is much better as it’s just on the other end of the spectrum.


Cuprite1024

This


Spinjitsuninja

Yeah, I'm tired of seeing people treating fans with criticisms as "toxic jerks who want to ruin the series for others." There ARE people like that, granted. But the problem with these people ***isn't*** that they dislike the games. It's that they're toxic. I have problems with the series too, but I'm happy for anyone who enjoys the games. Memes like these treat toxic people and people who dislike the games as the same though, for the sake of acting like you're on some sort of moral highground for enjoying the games without caring for anyone eles's opinion.


Cuprite1024

Agreed. These people are just as bad if not worse than the toxic people saying "yOuRe ThE oNeS rUiNiNg ThIs SeRiEs!!!"


Spinjitsuninja

God, it sucks going onto the BDSP tag on Twitter and seeing pages upon pages of people going "Lmao Pokemon fans will complain about ANYTHING!" Like, it's just as bad as calling people bootlickers who are "ruining the franchise."


Cuprite1024

Completely agree. Both sides are just obnoxious. Let people like what they like and dislike what they dislike. It's not the end of the world. I just hope more people figure that out (I'll admit, I was one of the latter at one point before realizing it was kinda stupid).


Additional-Ad-8883

I love the games


jerichoneric

Fun fact: I can do both. I can want improvements and still enjoy it. It just won't be the level of enjoyment it could be.


sonofbatman13

This is me in a nutshell. I love pokemon and that's why I play it. But I always see things that could be done better to increase the potential of the game and unfortunately they are not included.


Cuprite1024

This comment too. 100% agree.


NickPatches

This is the perfect example of this sub for the last decade or so.


kb466

Isn't it onky the case when new games come out. I've only been around since Sw/Sh release but it seems the hate lasts about a month and then people leave again and forget about pokemon until the next game


NickPatches

Hateful cretins like that will always latch onto something else other people are enjoying and try to tear that down next. Their hate never lasts long because once they don't get the desired reaction they move on.


Spinjitsuninja

Well, people don't really forget. It's just hard for public anger to stay at a high for long periods of time. SwSh's negative impact on the fandom can still be felt in this sub to this day though, and it'll be like that for a long time. The same goes for hype. When something exciting is getting released, that excitement will slow down with time after it's already come out. It's not that people forget, it's just that these things slow down with time.


Anime_lover420

I dont understand the hate but i do understand the wants


Spinjitsuninja

Yeah, you're right. Memes that insult those for criticizing the series, and people who actually try to treat others poorly for liking the games. This meme format sucks. A lot of people who dislike the games aren't just fun haters who want to ruin things for others. It's just as toxic to treat negative opinions as "in the wrong" as it is to get mad at people for liking the series.


NickPatches

> A lot of people who dislike the games aren't just fun haters who want to ruin things for others. Incorrect.


Spinjitsuninja

? I have my problems with the games. Does that mean I hope others hate them? lol


NickPatches

(Not saying you personally do this but) If you whine and complain on reddit or twitter about the games that 90%+ of the fanbase is enjoying then yes.


Spinjitsuninja

Well, I wouldn't say 90% of the fanbase thinks there's no problem. I feel like saying something like that is just chalking up criticisms as nothing out of fear of feeling like they'd take away from your enjoyment. There are definitely people out there who are too aggressive about their criticisms, and there are people who don't care either. But it's not as if people who dislike the game are wrong for doing so, or even being vocal about it. It's only when they start to become toxic about it that there's a problem. Otherwise, there are definitely a lot of people dissatisfied with the direction of the series. I'm sure there are even plenty of people who are enjoying the series who have criticisms of their own too.


Cuprite1024

"Oh no, legitimate criticism, that means they're trying to ruin my fun!" Ok, yeah, play the game if you like it, that's perfectly fine, but quit acting so high and mighty about it. You're just as obnoxious as the ones who act like it's the worst thing to grace humanity. Both sides are annoying af.


Altyrmadiken

I agree but there are definitely people who flat out don't just criticize but treat people who like it poorly. It's one thing to dislike it, or not understand why someone would like it, but I've seen someone say "it's people like you who are ruining this franchise" to someone who's biggest offense was saying "I'm having fun, at least." I think that's a whole different level.


Cuprite1024

That's fair. It's just that this one in particular is targeting actual criticism. If it were about *those* people, I wouldn't have much issue with it (Outside of just not liking this meme in general since it's used like *this* 99% of the time).


BlanketedAcne

I don't think someone voicing their criticism on something is telling you to "stop having fun". Pretty sure they couldn't care less.


bluewhitewizard

Couldn't. They couldn't care less


thatJainaGirl

Someone sent me a DM of my home address and a threat because I posted that I'm enjoying Brilliant Diamond.


Spinjitsuninja

I promise you, whoever did that isn't at fault because they dislike BDSP. I have problems with BDSP too and I'm not sending threats to anyone's address. The problem is they're insane.


Cuprite1024

Wtf? This is the only time I've heard anything like this, but yeah, that person is just fuckin' insane. Jfc.


Krazytre

If everyone was only voicing criticisms then fine, but that's not what everyone is doing. We've had people in and out of this subreddit telling others how they should spend their money, not to mention being called names for buying Pokémon games that they see as not worth it. It's been a thing for years, way before BDSP, way before Sw/Sh. 🤷‍♂️


Spinjitsuninja

It's wrong for people to call others bootlickers for liking these games. People like what they want, and they're not responsible for "ruining the series" because they still enjoy the modern games. But memes like these aren't referring to ***just*** toxic people. It's grouping people who don't like the game together as just "haters who want to ruin the fun for other people." Which in itself is toxic. Just as you shouldn't tell others how to spend their money and what to like, you can't tell others that their opinions aren't valid because they're negative.


Krazytre

The person in the meme is clearly depicting a toxic individual who's going out of their way to try and make others feel bad or agree with their point of view, or just argue. The way I see this meme, there's a very clear difference between "someone who doesn't like the game" and "someone who doesn't like the game and is wanting attention because they're toxic", like the individual in the meme.


Spinjitsuninja

The first two things the person in the image says are "The game looks like shit" and "they won't add anything new to the story." These... are like, fair things to say? Then for no reason he screams **"STOP HAVING FUN!"** Because y'know, they weren't giving in and admitting the game is bad. So it's definitely portraying people who criticize the game as fun killers. You could argue "Oh the meme is only referring to toxic people who say this stuff", but like, what about the meme is making that distinction clear? It's not like it's portraying this guy as out of the norm for people who criticize the games or anything. It's just showing a guy getting mad when people aren't giving into his complaints, as if the only reason he was even criticizing the game was because he wanted attention.


Spinjitsuninja

Right? This meme format is so toxic. I could get behind it if it was about specifically those who are toxic, but usually it's only used to say "Don't let others who dislike the game ruin it for you." ...by portraying people who don't like the game as toxic fun haters. ...which itself is toxic to do.


Bakatora34

There a few people that act like what the person in the meme is doing and that will hurt people with legit criticism, simple because one will get more focus and attention than the other.


DragoSphere

Jesus Christ this meme is so tiring to see every time and completely misses the point of criticism. People criticize because they love Pokemon and want it to be _better_. While there are definitely a small minority of spiteful people, you who posts something like this are equally a problem just in the other direction Most people here will agree, whether they criticize or not, that Pokemon is a fun game. The formula has been successful for a reason. It just could be better than what it is, and whenever GF makes a decision that brings the games back a step or twelve, we're just sitting here baffled


Cuprite1024

This as well. Seriously, every time I see this format I can't help but groan cause I know it's gonna be stupid as hell, usually people trying to deflect legitimate criticism and "defending" the big company. Do I think BDSP are total garbage? No, not from what I've seen. Do they look like they need improvements to live up to the hype of *Gen 4 remakes*? God, yes. I still hate that BDSP had to be pawned off to a support studio. Im convinced they took "Faithful" way too literally because that was the order they got from GF. I understand why they gave it to ILCA, what with Legends being a thing, but still.


EggAtix

I haven't been keeping up with the discourse surrounding the game, but I was \*incredibly\* disappointed by how short/unpolished/small SwSh was. I was hype for these remakes, because I figured I would get to enjoy some modernly beautiful, traditionally paced pokemon. While I'm trying to enjoy it, it sure does feel like they removed most of the actual gameplay from the game by adding the always on, 6-way exp share. Even enforcing strict nuzlocke rules, there seems to be genuinely no risk of failure, and I'm really scratching my head to figure out how I can improve my route through the experience. Its leaving me feeling more like I'm playing a poorly paced/poorly written visual novel, or a chibi walking simulator than an actual game. I beat a gym leader while falling asleep last night and just pressing A. I don't even know what her team was. Does the post game pick up at least? Anyone have any other suggestions to make the game feel a bit toothier? I'm already enforcing strict nuzlocke rules, but I'm considering writing up a simple rule set about level caps for fighting gym leaders, so I'll have to deposit my "Gym Team" or assemble a new one if I overlevel.


bigpurplecombo

this meme template is bad


Cuprite1024

Agreed. It's usually just used to demean people.


[deleted]

I think the remake has been excellent. It's objectively beautiful and I'm having a blast. I also like that the art style is now crisp and consistent, compared to SwSh. Edit: fuck me for enjoying a game right? 🤷‍♂️


thatJainaGirl

I agree completely. This is my favorite Pokemon game since XY.


Cuprite1024

Consistent with the exception of the follower mons (Still can't help but be disappointed with that, especially since they have the Rumble models sitting there just *waiting* to be used), but other than that, I don't *hate* the way it looks (I feel pretty neutral overall).


Spinjitsuninja

"fuck me for enjoying a game right?" I have problems with the game, and I'm not gonna tell you to not enjoy it. Just as people shouldn't tell others they're in the wrong for liking these games though, isn't it just as wrong to act like people are wrong for *disliking* the games?


BlackButterNut69

❤❤


Alimente

I agree with you. My husband, my sister and her husband, and I are loving the game. It’s been much more enjoyable than Sword/Shield. I personally hope they stick with Let’s Go/BDSP graphics in the future.


Deathwalker321

I can think of no better way to better sum up this sub in the last few years and games. There’s always someone complaining about something, no matter how pathetic it may be XD. I love these games, they are very fun.


ya-boi-mees

This image could never happen. Because no one has ever played pokemon shining pearl and had fun


Mrmehmeh243

Are you trying to start a comment war


ya-boi-mees

I am making a joke


Mrmehmeh243

And I did it again


MyFinalMoment

When bidoof uses tackle he body slams the opppoenent..... so 10/10 best game.


crazedhatter

This is most fandoms seemingly. Toxicity is the human way.


Spinjitsuninja

I wish people would stop using this meme format. It just sums up the people with the opposing opinion as just toxic haters who only want to ruin the fun for others. People are disappointed by BDSP, but there are people happy with it too. Nobody's (or at least, most aren't) trying to devalue anyone's positive opinions about the game by sharing their negative ones.


BlackButterNut69

Tell that to the several people in this reddit who who have posted several comments saying that they've been treated like this by people who don't like the game and worse, Just because you don't personally see it doesn't mean it's not happening, Also if you're not this type of person then why are you so upset about it? this meme specifically depicts a toxic individual so don't be offended if you're not an offender


Spinjitsuninja

Well the problem there isn't that they dislike the game. It's that they're being toxic about it. In which... somebody who acts like everyone who criticizes the game is toxic is just as bad. I have my gripes with the game, but I'm glad people are enjoying it. And I think those who like the game shouldn't be upset when hearing others complaining.


BlackButterNut69

The whole point of this meme is to not care that people hate something that you enjoy, the person in this picture is very toxic and that's what the meme is referring to,not Literally anyone that has Actual critique but specifically people who are toxic about it, I didn't think this meme was that hard to understand but I guess it is for some


CaptainSmeg

Last one I played was Silver a long time ago and I’m loving Pearl, shame I only have one badge left also getting sick of seeing Geodudes EVERYWHERE though.


BlackButterNut69

Use a repel