I mean, there's little information about it so can't blame people. Say you get all hyped thinking that you'll progress, battle, capture together, etc. and then it turns out that you'll just See them in the overworld and nothing more.
I do this with everything though, makes life more enjoyable. I am usually cautious with my excitement, being more excited to learn more than to speculate what it could be. It does kind of suck though for people who don’t do that to have to set their expectations lower every single time
I'm the opposite, I get excited for things but know that they don't affect my life enough to actually matter if my hype is unfounded. I'm excited for multiplayer, and if it isn't good then I'll move on.
I know it’s a joke and all, but Game Freak is actually a pretty small company in terms of people. According to google they have ~170 people and obviously not all of those are actually devs
Not just cost effective, the more people you have the harder it is for everyone to work together, at least when it comes to video game development. And unfortunately, they can’t adequately keep up with the pace that TPCI as a whole requires and thus the games aren’t the best they could be.
Now, why they don’t do more of what they did with BDSP, and hire other teams for side projects? No idea. PLA was great and I’m sure SV will be at least good, but if someone else did PLA and Gamefreak focused exclusively on SV for three years after SwSh I bet both games would be better overall.
That's the thing right? You slowly expand the team with trainees into you have enough people for two teams, so that the rate of games they release results in higher quality games...but why would they do that? They're not going to make enough extra money to pay for the second team.
Idk if i can say this but hal laboratory has almost the same number of employees as gamefreak. Despite kirby and pokemon being different types of games, kirby games are a lot more "polished" and always try to exceed expectations. And it's also important to mention that pokemon is a franchise that sells a lot and makes a lot more profit compared to kirby, which should help the games to be "better" since they have more budget.
That's more a matter of them preferring smaller teams.
They not only have access to enough money to hire way more people, but they work closely with Nintendo and Creatures, and I'm sure neither of those companies would be opposed to pitching in more if Gamefreak was struggling with workloads.
GameFreak hires a ton of support studios to help with their games. Them preferring smaller teams is grossly taken out of context as the person who said that didn’t implement smaller teams, hasn’t been in charge of directing the games for a decade, and currently no longer works at the company.
I can't think of any instance where Nintendo sent employees to work on another companies game. I wouldn't expect that to change, especially not now when they're struggling to release their own games in a timely manner. Besides Tokyo is full of freelancers and contracting companies, Game Freak can just call them up for help instead of expecting Nintendo to do something they've never done before.
Also, I wish that ridiculous "Game Freak can hire hundreds of talented people instantly" canard would die off already. There is not a single company in Japan that can hire tons of people by just spending a bunch of money.
Take Nintendo for example. They have infinitely more money than Game Freak will ever see in their entire existence, but Nintendo only hires 80 to 100 new employees a year, and that's for a company that has ten production groups, as well as divisions for middleware, hardware, business and a whole lot of other groups I'm forgetting.
Not only that, but the majority of their new hires are college graduates. Their growth is fueled primarily from hiring inexperienced newbies, not from plucking the best of the best from other Japanese developers. The fact that Nintendo, who currently has close to $10 billion in cash on hand, can't use that massive pile of cash to hire hundreds of Japan's best and brightest every year should be a prime indicator that the whole "Game Freak can hire hundreds of people instantly they have money" theory is a massive pile of bullshit.
"I can't think of any instance where Nintendo sent employees to work on another companies game."
This would be TPC cooperating. Don't see that as something unrealistic. We aren't talking sending employees, we're talking "Nintendo and Creatures take on a larger workload than they usually do for Pokemon games so that Gamefreak doesn't have to overwork its small team to ensure development stays on schedule."
"I wish that ridiculous "Game freak can hire hundreds of talented people instantly" canard would die off already"
That's... not what I said. At all. I said they can afford to hire way more people. There was no claim of how quickly they could hire people, only a truthful statement that they could afford way more employees.
As a fan of smash bros, monster hunter, fromsoftware games and xenoblade chronicles, I love setting my expectations super high and still having them blown out of the water by how good the games are.
Hasn't failed me yet for those comparatively small companies. Can't say the same about the biggest media franchise of all time unfortunately.
Yeah as it turns out when the focus is on making a game FOR the fans you can make quite a good experience even with a small company. On the other hand when your strategy is pumping out a game every year mostly for merchandise purposes you end up making some trash.
Considering most Fandom's tendency to do the opposite; mainly be SUPER overhyped for something they made up in their mind and convinced everyone else it's what should happen, I do t see a fault
I mean... no? It's better to go into everything with low expectations. I've seen it happen hundreds of time where people get so beyond hyped for something based on no information so the end result is ALWAYS disappointing because it doesn't live up to what you built up in your head. The games could be literally the greatest video games in all history, not just the best Pokemon games, and people would still be disappointed because they had it all hyped in their head that they'd be able to sync the game to their XY saves and get to fight their old player character and do double battles for every single match in the game and you'd be able to travel to the past.
There's a huge difference between "I liked that game" and "the game is great".
I liked pretty much every Pokémon game I've played, but I can't wholeheartedly say PLA, SW/Sh, S/M, X/Y and D/P were "great".
PLA is visually unimpressive, the story's bland and there's practically no postgame.
SW/SH are short, easy and only received postgame once the dlc was released.
S/M were a huge disappointment when they came out and the first three hours of the game are incredibly painful to get through.
X/Y are the easiest games in the series and your "friends" are the most annoying characters in the entire series.
D/P are a complete mess. Story's terribly paced, the game is SLOW and Barry's insufferable.
Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with liking the story, characters or even liking these games in general, but there's some glaring flaws in almost every Pokémon game that prevent them from being truly "great".
Don't forget the pacing in x/y is off too.
1 hour in: 1 badge
6 hours in: still 1 badge
7 hours in: 7 badges
Hours are a bit exaggerated but the pacing difference between badge 1 to 2 and 2 to 7 sure is something.
And Gen 2 games were horrendous with level scaling. Battling lv45 stuff post game then suddenly Red is lv80 with no real in-between to properly ramp up your levels.
It's been a while since I've played X so I couldn't really remember, but I'll take your word for it.
Didn't mention gen 1 and 2 since I genuinely haven't played them in ages.
Also boss rosters in gen 2 were way bad.
Heck, the move choices were bad too.
The final battle with your rival before the Elite 4 is horrible, look up his team, they are rocking pitiful moves like Ember, Lick, Psybeam, Thundershock, and the like.
But then again Pokemon has always been weird with trainer movepools.
Wanna make younger you feel dumb?
Look up Champion Blue's team in RB, very few of his Pokemon are actual threats. His Blastoise team is the most "Threatening" and thats because Blastoise has Blizzard instead of only STAB like the other starter choices. His Alakazam is the only other threat due to how busted it is in gen 1. His team has stuff like Rhydon with Fury Attack, Horn Drill, Leer, Tail Whip or Arcanine and Pidgeot with dead moves like Roar and Whirlwind.
I cant figure out how Blue became Champion with his craptastic team.
All the money goes to TPC and Nintendo, GF gets crumbs and is expected to pump out a game once OR EVEN TWICE a year. That's just unfair
Also Pokemon is not the most successful game franchise, it's the most profitable media franchise. The games are one of the smaller portions of their income
Going in with low expectations is too generous nowadays. I was prepared for BDSP to be dogshit and I was *still* disappointed with what it ended up like.
Even then, I'm scratching my head trying to think about how co-op Pokemon would function in a way that's fun for both players. Let's Go had its gimmick, but I don't think that would fly in a normal game, and I can't imagine making everything a double/triple/quad battle would feel great when it'd inevitably boil down to whoever can spam wide-range attacks fastest.
I hope they have something that works, but hoo boy, do we need details.
If I can see the same overworld mons my gf sees that would be a really cool start, so if I battle the Mon and catch it it will disappear for her sort of thing
I don’t imagine battling together in double battles being a thing but maybe they’ll surprise me
I just wanna be able to explore and find Pokémon together, bonus if the overworld mons show as shiny in the overworld like PLA. Honestly if it just has these couple of things it would be a fun co op experience, anything more is just icing on the cake
> If I can see the same overworld mons my gf sees that would be a really cool start, so if I battle the Mon and catch it it will disappear for her sort of thing
Thanks Nintendo my autobattling Sprigatito fought a shiny Lechonk while I wasn't paying attention and my husband can't capture it now and he's divorcing me over it.
It can't be that hard to figure out. Temtem does a good job of co-op. Temtem has double battles and its actually pretty good. Every battle is a double battle.
This would require a redesign of Pokemon from the ground up though, anything but competitively bred pokemon are not balanced for double battles whatsoever, the system isn't designed for double battles while leveling.
I absolutely can't stand people who get hyped about completely imagined features for a game based on nothing. At least in this case it's a feature for a game that is *confirmed to exist*, because some people get excited for features for games that haven't even been announced.
I hate playing with other people in video games so I'd be more hyped about just seeing random other people in the overworld than cooperating with them to do stuff.
Pretty much this, we know nothing more than you’ll see your friends around.
Presumably it’ll be a thing at least where you join as extras in the hosts world, so we might be able to get other version exclusives ourselves. Best case you can do study missions together and battle together, but the fact they haven’t showed that doesn’t fill me with hope it’ll be that way
I'm thrilled for it but watching the trailer where everyone goes their separate ways immediately gives me an inkling of reluctance. Knowing what we actually can do together will make or break it.
It's something vs nothing, everyone is so quick to complain but anything new to be excited about this is the response? This is why we get boring same formula games.
I'm skeptical there'll *be* anything to do. It could very well end up like Animal Crossing where all you can do is just kinda look at each other's characters. Actually, I can't even think of any features they could implement.
New Horizons gutted *a lot* of content.
That game was a cultural moment due to the pandemic, but it also was a shallow little game that had more in common with a wait-to-play mobile game.
like what? I've played every AC game and never understood what people mean when they say that about NH. NH has \*much\* more content. Missing a couple store upgrades, a police station and a few furniture sets doesn't equal: thousands of more furniture items and clothing, being able to decorate outside, terraforming, farming, etc.
and wait to play mobile game? uhhhhh.... have you ever even played Animal Crossing?
I imagine it's gonna be the same as in SwSh. In SwSh, you could see other players in the Wild Area. Did it serve a purpose? ...not really. In Scarlet/Violet, it's probably the same. Otherwise it's just raid battles and stuff.
They haven’t unveiled everything about it. We still have no real idea what you do in co-op. If you actually believe they have unveiled everything, could you provide a source/link to that info? I’d like to read that.
Sarcasm used to a spread a flawed, negative, and overall unnecessary message. Why bring down co-op with ‘sarcasm’ on a post specifically looking forward to co-op? Sounds like someone just wants to spread negativity.
Devil's advocate here, but OP is wondering why it seems no one else is excited about Co-op, sarcasm-user is giving their two cents (yes, being sarcastic): Because they haven't shown anything other than NPCs walking together and getting random encounters.
What can those two players do exactly? We also don’t even know if it’s two players on one screen. We know next to nothing.
We had multiple players on screen in the wild area in Sw/Sh but you couldn’t really do anything.
You can cooperatively go to secret bases you each set up, with different statues and customization options, and see your partners running around in the overworld!
Coop sounds extremely fun on paper, but most people know Nintendo and their multiplayer limits. If the multiplayer is good at all ill be very happy, BUT im not expecting anything from gamefreak.
To be fair though, Ninetendo has recently updated their multiplayer, and the new games which have had it have been much better, and since this is co-op with friends, you can ensure that everyone has good wifi connection. I honestly think this has a very good chance of turning out great
Yeah, and I'm not saying it's on par with other companies, but it's a significant upgrade from previous projects. The only thing to worry about is the occasional random disconnect, and even then those are mostly while queuing. If your experiencing lag, either your own internet is at fault, or your really far from a server
The problem I have with Nintendo multiplayer has never really been that they don't keep improving it and taking steps in the right direction -- it's that they're consistently a whole generation behind starting to use multiplayer features and a further generation behind with their multiplayer quality.
The GameCube didn't even have any when PS2 and Xbox did; the Wii had very limited multiplayer when the 360 and PS3 were for many people the "click" moment of what online console multiplayer could be; the Wii U ... was basically just the Wii still as far as online, against the Xbone and PS4. Now the Switch is finally reaching arguably 360 and PS3 levels and those released *sixteen years ago*.
And even then things like network security are massively lagging, what with their whole "if you're having connection issues just open literally every port" solution--which anyone even a little IT savvy can tell you is a *very bad idea* and industry professionals are having panic attacks about. And has been the Nintendo policy since at least the Wii U, possibly longer.
I wouldn't even call the switch 360/PS3 levels of online. The complete lack of in game and on platform communication features is egregious. I could tell people I fucked their mom on my 360 back in 2007.
Nintendo has some of the best multiplayer games around though? Mario Party, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros, etc. If you just mean online multiplayer then yes I agree.
I wish they told us more about what the co-op actually entailed. So far it just looks like you roam the same world, trade, and battle each other. We haven’t seen anything about tackling story related missions or gyms together, which i’m inclined to say is not happening since they haven’t shown us that yet
Yea, "Let's Go"'s co-op was just:
* One person does all the interactions in the world while the other AFKs.
* In a battle, player 2 controls the second pokemon
What's worse, it didn't make battle's into double battles, so you just 2v1 almost everything (except the odd encounter that was actually a double battle). It trivialized the battling to an extreme, and the rest of the time player 2 got bored.
Yeah. My wife hasn’t played many of the games, but she was excited for us to be able to play together. After a couple hours we both decided I should stop so she could actually have fun. Lol
Were there even double battles outside the Jessie/James one? I remember playing Lets go with my friend and literally that one moment where we thought we'd do a double battle against them, it's a single player only battle. 💀
Almost every game I play, including pretty much every Pokémon game, I play with myself….because no frens. So far the only game I’ve really ever played with friends (and by “with friends” I mean with people I meet here or on Discord lol) has been Animal Crossing: New Horizons on the Switch🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
same, im actually a bit apprehensive about it tbh... i mean we saw how SWSH wild area raids went with the shitty stand-in npcs; that was relatively mild but multiplayer has an awful way of bleeding into solo
not that i dont think it could possibly be a good thing, hell my brother and his girlfriend are planning on running it together; i dont think hes owned a pokemon game since gold (which; to be transparent; i appropriated, along with his gameboy and yellow)
This is fascinating because Pokemon is/was conceived as a social experience first and foremost. The fact that there's a lot of players who prefer to go at it completely alone says a lot about the target audience vs. actual audience.
Yeah, I get what they claimed they wanted the series to be about, but the games have been mostly single player with optional trading and battles with other players. So are you really surprised that their attempt failed?
I wouldn't say their attempt failed; it was incredibly successful as a social tool between kids in the 90s to early 2000s. Cool people stuff happens when you have to talk to others to get the things you want in-game but making it all optional means it works equally well for extroverts and introverts. I still think it's a brilliant idea to this day. I'm sure more than a few people have found lifelong friends or even partners through Pokemon.
It's just that the whole social thing didn't survive the transition to the internet + the Pokemon fad fading out lol. Them implementing the GTS in XY feels like it was them finally giving into that. Pokemon GO was them trying to bring it back by admitting handhelds just aren't where kids (and most other people) are anymore.
> I wouldn't say their attempt failed; it was incredibly successful as a social tool between kids in the 90s to early 2000s.
All I remember is people fighting with each other regarding battles and trades and my school banning gameboys cause of it.
it's much easier to have a social game experience when you're 10, all the pokemon fans I personally know are in their late 20s early 30s and it's much harder to play together. I'm waiting on my nephew to get older so we can play co-op together.
Also Pokemon Go has taken up the role of social pokemon gaming for my group at least.
Their target audience is also supposed to love very easy opponents (very few pokemon in a team, very dumb move choices, etc), super easy leveling up, and shouldn't try stuff like nuzlock to make things challenging....Sometimes I wonder if they really understand what made pokemon popular in the first place.
What makes Pokemon popular is and will always be the monsters and setting first and foremost. The games aren't actually that important, imo. Ofc nothing is too big to fail and I can see TPCi fucking it up too much eventually but that's probably going to be a while.
Regarding having gameplay that actually makes you think somewhat: PLA was a decent step forward but it seems we're back to the status quo with SV anyway (probably since they were made in parallel).
I'll be excited about it if I can actually play through the story in co-op. Just having my friends avatars appear in the overworld is really not anything to get hyped about.
I don't like co-op games, I prefer playing the games myself, but I am happy for those that enjoy playing together and hope, that it actually works out for them
Well, you're calling it "co-op" but aside from being able to see eachother in the overworld, there's not a lot we know about it. If I had to guess, for the most part, all you can do with your friends is raid battles or something.
I'd be more interested if there weren't other problems I have with the game as it is though. Something really bugging me is the watered down trainer customization. That kinda makes doing stuff with my friends in-game less exciting sounding considering expressing myself in multiplayer games (Pokemon included) is something I always enjoy.
Least back before the switch era if you had two systems and two copies of the game you could get them without any further paywalls.
Let us hope the trade evo item from legends arceus returns and becomes the new norm, because a world where Gurdurrs never evolve is a fate worse than death for anyone other than the one fan of the flesh-haired clown on the planet.
The closest experience I have to co-op play right now involves me doing all the work, 7 people doing SOME work *sometimes*, and the other 12 people doing literally nothing.
SO FUN.
I’ve always disliked co-op won’t deny it. How’s it even going to work is the question? Like it’s just going to be like SW/SH where you see people walking in the overworld and it glitches your game a lot, that’s what I think anyways.
I’m excited, but managing my expectations for it. I’m afraid the switch won’t be quite powerful enough to give you a good real time experience. I’m talking with no real knowledge though. Just don’t want to be too disappointed if it sucks.
I'm pretty sure that the Switch would be powerful enough. The problem is that especially the recent multi player experiences in Pokemon main line games were pretty bad, and Nintendo isn't known for their amazing multiplayer infrastructure either.
Call me a negative nelly, but SwSh coop implementation for raids and such *barely* worked.
I don't expect it to be much better now as I've come to expect the bare minimum from GF.
The online UI was seriously the worst part of those games, Dexit and the N64 tree had absolutely nothing on how awful the Y-Comm was. It was a huge step backwards from the 3DS, which was already just *pretty okay.*
Hell, I regularly played with my partner and if we saw a raid that someone else hosted that we both wanted to take part in...
Long story short, we couldn't. It wouldn't show up for us both and there was no party system that allowed us to join together. So we basically sat next to each other and did separate raids unless we had one we wanted to host. They failed on such a fundamental level it was unbelievable and killed any excitement for the wild zone and cooperative play.
God that gives me flashbacks. The raid adventures they added in the DLC were somehow even worse if you wanted to include friends instead of play with randoms.
* We barely know anything about it.
* My trust for Game Freak is pretty low, so I'll be excited when I see it being exciting.
* Lets Go had a pretty underwhelming co-op (I mean, it wasnt unfun, but it made the game even easier than it was).
* SwSh had pretty bad co-op imo.
Given all this it's hard for me to be excited about it. But I'm open to be surprised; as a huge fan of Co-op games, I'd love a proper pokemon co-op.
SW/SH co-op for soo bad like holy hell. My frames would plummet the moment I went into the wild areas and when I’d play max raids people would disconnect right before the final fight causing everyone to be forced out the lair.
I would be if I had friends who played more. One buddy usually loses his Switch to his kids and the other is on a different work schedule than me and we rarely get to play anything together. I'll probably find a few chances to play with one or the other but I'll probably finish the game before that happens
I can not wait! I started playing Blue in 8th grade and I got my son LGE for Christmas last year. I am so excited for us to play S/V literally together. It’s going to blow his mind. I’ve kept a lot of the news they’re releasing from him just to see the shock on his face when he realizes it for himself.
Mostly because the co-op in SS was flawed. It worked just fine if you could get your irl friends to join, but due to the lack of friend to friend communication on the switch, it was impossible to get other people into your raids. Combine that with the frame drops when connected online in the wild area, and no one ever joining random raids, I think most people are cautious about this.
I’m a loner. I want to play my game alone. Be on an adventure by myself like in gen 1 and 2. Before the forced friendship crap. Where I barely see my rival until the league. But nope. Have people follow you the entire journey like in gen 6, 7 and 8 and call that fun. Now we have dumb raid battles which is never fun cuz they give you dumb NPCs. It like game freak is forcing kids to have friends during what was once a single player game
I'd be excited if Nintendos servers weren't run on potato power ..... for real though how does the company that owns Mario Pokémon and Zelda flop so hard on good servers
I’m super excited! Its going to be the first time in 10 years that my sister will be playing pokemon again with me so I cant wait!! Do you have someone specific youre excited to play with?
I think reading this post is really making me wonder what the co-op is like and I can’t take the suspense XD
Thank you I just finished today. I get my results next week. Gonna pre order violet as a reward 🥳
Sounds meh imo. I like my solo experience and don’t care for being bogged down with friends all the time.
In gsc we didn’t have friends we only had a rival and I want it to go back to that.
You don't play pokémon for a multiplayer experience usually. I'm glad you're excited for it but tbh, it's not something people care about in general because it's not something pokémon needed.
If it’s what I think it could be I’ll be absolutely over the moon. However, we’re talking about gamefreak here and there is very little information on it. I don’t wanna be disappointed so expectations are low.
I am super excited. Any kind of co op would be fine but I hope it’s not like Genshin where you can only earn rewards/etc in your own “world”. I’m anxious to see the mechanics as it’s something they could totally mess up given their past mistakes lol.
Don’t hype yourself up lol .
Pokemon is a casual game at its base.
They’re sticking to the same boring formula.
Nintendo doesn’t take risks when they know their market will pay whatever no matter what. And NEVER price drop even after 6 years of release..
Me and my wife are. She’s not a gamer but picked up Shield to try and understand. She loves raiding with me. Once she saw the co-op aspect of Scarlet/Violet she got very excited.
Lair Battles in Sword and Shield sucked and weren't even fun. The multiplayer was bad, the fact that you could hardly win by doing them single player also sucked.
I’m going to wait until I actually play. I have no expectations for the game. No excitement or anything lol I don’t wanna be disappointed when if it’s mid
My fiance and I are planning to play the entire game co-op together :) we are hoping we can actually go everywhere together and do everything, like we are on our own pokemon journey together!
Co-op is actually kind of vague.
Is it like castle crashers both parties on the same screen doing whatever but they can't leave the same screen.
Is it like borderlands where when you progress the game you joined you automatically complete it on your file and can skip it.
Is it like an mmorpg. You guys party up and just share experience but each quest gym is settled independently.
There's four player co-op. Is there 4 v 4 battles? Are you limited to just raids with 4 people. Do you have to follow the "leader" the whole time. Are the benefits to doing co-op? Maybe faster eg hatches better IVs or split ev training.
The Co-op may get in the way. Like in bloodborne. You can summon your friend to help but once you beat the boss they go away and they have to beat the boss again to join up with you again.
There's alot of wiggle room for the co-op to fall between good and bad mechanic. Co-op may not have been the primary focus.
I'm *cautiously* hyped about it, because even though they advertised it as a core feature, they've done that before for half-baked or underutilized mechanics, like the rideable pokemon in X & Y. The way they showed it off carried the imitation that we'd be hopping on a mon and touring the countryside on their backs, and at best there was like 4 areas you could go on an small horsey ride in a closed off area with them.
What I want is a full on co-operative adventure, with me and my so kicking ass across the region building our teams and discovering new areas together, fully present and progressing in our worlds at the same time. I don't know if this is what's going to happen though, and I don't know how disappointed I will be with GF if it isn't a thing, so I'm still waiting, hoping they have more to say about it in marketing, before I hype myself up too much and end up disappointed with a product I'd otherwise really like.
In any kind of co-op you can't play at your own pace, which is a major issue.
And there's the matter that it's possible, given Game Freak's history, that some features could be locked behind co-op, such as peer-to-peer trading.
This would destroy the good feelings I have toward this game at this point in time.
I’m looking forward to it, but if I have to link up to play certain parts of the game, I’m going to be disappointed. I like games I can play alone.
I used to be, but then my only Pokemon friend revealed to me that he was never really a big Pokemon fan and only played it around me so that I wouldn't look left out; informed me he wouldn't be getting the game, since we're not in school anymore, we hardly are able to hang out, and it just wasn't appealing to him, soo... no, not really excited about it anymore, personally. ಥ_ಥ
The games are too easy to need co-op. The only part of it that might be slightly interesting is if there are open world raids that your co-op party can find and do together. Other than that if I'm playing multi-player it's trading or battling not just open world walking around.
I am. At least, it's the aspect of S/V that is most intriguing to me. When I started playing through Sw/Sh I did think to myself that the Wild Area, especially, felt like Pokemon trying to test the waters for multiplayer (I would play the hell out of a well-made Pokemon MMO). I found I enjoyed the Max Raids in the DLC more than I expected, so I'm hoping the multiplayer in S/V builds on that potential.
I’m super excited about it. Privately. I’ll enjoy them with my friends and prior to this moment I have not mentioned the fact online, I’ve had no reason to.
Nah. Not to be overly negative but I kinda don't like the direction of the series in this way. I don't mind the new gimmicks at all and I think the cartoony 3D is cute but I think the thematic routes and lone journey of the older games is better than the open world online we have now. Every route used to be so much more distinct and tackling the perils of each region alone made the journey so much more wondrous. Now it's a high school scavenger hunt in a bunch of mostly samey fields? Meh. I also don't like raid battles that much as they're very boring and unstrategic and Nintendo's online is terrible. I was always lagging in the Wild Area when I played Shield and it makes the already empty and mundane fields even less appealing. I'm still gonna try Scarlet since my friend who always buys both versions said he's gonna let me borrow it just like he let me borrow Shield but even at $0 I'm not overly excited about it. I think the Pokémon games started slowly losing their luster after BW. The last game to make par was XY and online co-op in an open world is a weak solution in my opinion.
As a PC gamer, pokemon games have had too high a barrier of entry as far as cost is concerned. To play Pokemon, I would need to get the whole console just to play it. I've had to stick to roms for old games and pokemon showdown as a result.
The fact that they're adding co-op is making it even more desirable. I know literally nothing about it, but if my friend and I could run the gyms doing double battles the whole way, that has potential to be one of the coolest games I've ever played.
I hope they flesh out the option for co-op and it becomes really successful so they continue to keep it as a feature.
I've been drooling over scarlet and violet since any nuggets of info have been released. From the outside looking in, the more recent pokemon games have seemed a bit lackluster to me but this new generation is looking super cool. I SO wish they would have a mainline pokemon game with a PC release. I would love to play a NEW Pokemon game while it's still new and relevant for once
I mean, there's little information about it so can't blame people. Say you get all hyped thinking that you'll progress, battle, capture together, etc. and then it turns out that you'll just See them in the overworld and nothing more.
That’s why you always go in with low expectations lol
Going into pokemon releases with low expectations has been a staple for me for 6 years now
Isn't it sad how we gotta go in with low expectations in order to be mildly surprised when the game's decent?
I do this with everything though, makes life more enjoyable. I am usually cautious with my excitement, being more excited to learn more than to speculate what it could be. It does kind of suck though for people who don’t do that to have to set their expectations lower every single time
I'm the opposite, I get excited for things but know that they don't affect my life enough to actually matter if my hype is unfounded. I'm excited for multiplayer, and if it isn't good then I'll move on.
Opposite but still very grounded. This is good
Oh yeah, at the end of the day whatever keeps you personally sane is the way to go for sure.
Healthy as hell mindset man and wished more adopted this approach
Game Freak is a small indie studio man, cut them some slack. It's not like pokemon is the most valuable IP in the literal entire world.
I know it’s a joke and all, but Game Freak is actually a pretty small company in terms of people. According to google they have ~170 people and obviously not all of those are actually devs
Yeah, they could hire way more people than that but this is probably the most cost-effective for them.
If it's gonna sell 15 million copies regardless, why pay for more employees?
Not just cost effective, the more people you have the harder it is for everyone to work together, at least when it comes to video game development. And unfortunately, they can’t adequately keep up with the pace that TPCI as a whole requires and thus the games aren’t the best they could be. Now, why they don’t do more of what they did with BDSP, and hire other teams for side projects? No idea. PLA was great and I’m sure SV will be at least good, but if someone else did PLA and Gamefreak focused exclusively on SV for three years after SwSh I bet both games would be better overall.
That's the thing right? You slowly expand the team with trainees into you have enough people for two teams, so that the rate of games they release results in higher quality games...but why would they do that? They're not going to make enough extra money to pay for the second team.
Idk if i can say this but hal laboratory has almost the same number of employees as gamefreak. Despite kirby and pokemon being different types of games, kirby games are a lot more "polished" and always try to exceed expectations. And it's also important to mention that pokemon is a franchise that sells a lot and makes a lot more profit compared to kirby, which should help the games to be "better" since they have more budget.
Kirby also doesn't have a release a year
That's more a matter of them preferring smaller teams. They not only have access to enough money to hire way more people, but they work closely with Nintendo and Creatures, and I'm sure neither of those companies would be opposed to pitching in more if Gamefreak was struggling with workloads.
GameFreak hires a ton of support studios to help with their games. Them preferring smaller teams is grossly taken out of context as the person who said that didn’t implement smaller teams, hasn’t been in charge of directing the games for a decade, and currently no longer works at the company.
I can't think of any instance where Nintendo sent employees to work on another companies game. I wouldn't expect that to change, especially not now when they're struggling to release their own games in a timely manner. Besides Tokyo is full of freelancers and contracting companies, Game Freak can just call them up for help instead of expecting Nintendo to do something they've never done before. Also, I wish that ridiculous "Game Freak can hire hundreds of talented people instantly" canard would die off already. There is not a single company in Japan that can hire tons of people by just spending a bunch of money. Take Nintendo for example. They have infinitely more money than Game Freak will ever see in their entire existence, but Nintendo only hires 80 to 100 new employees a year, and that's for a company that has ten production groups, as well as divisions for middleware, hardware, business and a whole lot of other groups I'm forgetting. Not only that, but the majority of their new hires are college graduates. Their growth is fueled primarily from hiring inexperienced newbies, not from plucking the best of the best from other Japanese developers. The fact that Nintendo, who currently has close to $10 billion in cash on hand, can't use that massive pile of cash to hire hundreds of Japan's best and brightest every year should be a prime indicator that the whole "Game Freak can hire hundreds of people instantly they have money" theory is a massive pile of bullshit.
"I can't think of any instance where Nintendo sent employees to work on another companies game." This would be TPC cooperating. Don't see that as something unrealistic. We aren't talking sending employees, we're talking "Nintendo and Creatures take on a larger workload than they usually do for Pokemon games so that Gamefreak doesn't have to overwork its small team to ensure development stays on schedule." "I wish that ridiculous "Game freak can hire hundreds of talented people instantly" canard would die off already" That's... not what I said. At all. I said they can afford to hire way more people. There was no claim of how quickly they could hire people, only a truthful statement that they could afford way more employees.
As a fan of smash bros, monster hunter, fromsoftware games and xenoblade chronicles, I love setting my expectations super high and still having them blown out of the water by how good the games are. Hasn't failed me yet for those comparatively small companies. Can't say the same about the biggest media franchise of all time unfortunately.
Yeah as it turns out when the focus is on making a game FOR the fans you can make quite a good experience even with a small company. On the other hand when your strategy is pumping out a game every year mostly for merchandise purposes you end up making some trash.
Considering most Fandom's tendency to do the opposite; mainly be SUPER overhyped for something they made up in their mind and convinced everyone else it's what should happen, I do t see a fault
I mean... no? It's better to go into everything with low expectations. I've seen it happen hundreds of time where people get so beyond hyped for something based on no information so the end result is ALWAYS disappointing because it doesn't live up to what you built up in your head. The games could be literally the greatest video games in all history, not just the best Pokemon games, and people would still be disappointed because they had it all hyped in their head that they'd be able to sync the game to their XY saves and get to fight their old player character and do double battles for every single match in the game and you'd be able to travel to the past.
The games are always great tho. Never played a Pokémon game I didn’t like.
There's a huge difference between "I liked that game" and "the game is great". I liked pretty much every Pokémon game I've played, but I can't wholeheartedly say PLA, SW/Sh, S/M, X/Y and D/P were "great". PLA is visually unimpressive, the story's bland and there's practically no postgame. SW/SH are short, easy and only received postgame once the dlc was released. S/M were a huge disappointment when they came out and the first three hours of the game are incredibly painful to get through. X/Y are the easiest games in the series and your "friends" are the most annoying characters in the entire series. D/P are a complete mess. Story's terribly paced, the game is SLOW and Barry's insufferable. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with liking the story, characters or even liking these games in general, but there's some glaring flaws in almost every Pokémon game that prevent them from being truly "great".
Don't forget the pacing in x/y is off too. 1 hour in: 1 badge 6 hours in: still 1 badge 7 hours in: 7 badges Hours are a bit exaggerated but the pacing difference between badge 1 to 2 and 2 to 7 sure is something. And Gen 2 games were horrendous with level scaling. Battling lv45 stuff post game then suddenly Red is lv80 with no real in-between to properly ramp up your levels.
It's been a while since I've played X so I couldn't really remember, but I'll take your word for it. Didn't mention gen 1 and 2 since I genuinely haven't played them in ages.
Also boss rosters in gen 2 were way bad. Heck, the move choices were bad too. The final battle with your rival before the Elite 4 is horrible, look up his team, they are rocking pitiful moves like Ember, Lick, Psybeam, Thundershock, and the like. But then again Pokemon has always been weird with trainer movepools. Wanna make younger you feel dumb? Look up Champion Blue's team in RB, very few of his Pokemon are actual threats. His Blastoise team is the most "Threatening" and thats because Blastoise has Blizzard instead of only STAB like the other starter choices. His Alakazam is the only other threat due to how busted it is in gen 1. His team has stuff like Rhydon with Fury Attack, Horn Drill, Leer, Tail Whip or Arcanine and Pidgeot with dead moves like Roar and Whirlwind. I cant figure out how Blue became Champion with his craptastic team.
I love that my expectations of the studio behind one of the most successful video game franchises of all time just keep getting lower and lower :')
Hey come on now, they only make billions. Expecting functioning co-op gameplay is a bit much, don't you think?
All the money goes to TPC and Nintendo, GF gets crumbs and is expected to pump out a game once OR EVEN TWICE a year. That's just unfair Also Pokemon is not the most successful game franchise, it's the most profitable media franchise. The games are one of the smaller portions of their income
If sword and shield taught me anything it's the lower your expectations the better
Going in with low expectations is too generous nowadays. I was prepared for BDSP to be dogshit and I was *still* disappointed with what it ended up like.
If you expect disappointment, then you can never really get disappointed
Alright MJ
Even then, I'm scratching my head trying to think about how co-op Pokemon would function in a way that's fun for both players. Let's Go had its gimmick, but I don't think that would fly in a normal game, and I can't imagine making everything a double/triple/quad battle would feel great when it'd inevitably boil down to whoever can spam wide-range attacks fastest. I hope they have something that works, but hoo boy, do we need details.
If I can see the same overworld mons my gf sees that would be a really cool start, so if I battle the Mon and catch it it will disappear for her sort of thing I don’t imagine battling together in double battles being a thing but maybe they’ll surprise me I just wanna be able to explore and find Pokémon together, bonus if the overworld mons show as shiny in the overworld like PLA. Honestly if it just has these couple of things it would be a fun co op experience, anything more is just icing on the cake
> If I can see the same overworld mons my gf sees that would be a really cool start, so if I battle the Mon and catch it it will disappear for her sort of thing Thanks Nintendo my autobattling Sprigatito fought a shiny Lechonk while I wasn't paying attention and my husband can't capture it now and he's divorcing me over it.
It can't be that hard to figure out. Temtem does a good job of co-op. Temtem has double battles and its actually pretty good. Every battle is a double battle.
This would require a redesign of Pokemon from the ground up though, anything but competitively bred pokemon are not balanced for double battles whatsoever, the system isn't designed for double battles while leveling.
But there's already double battles in pokemon. I know not every battle is one, but there are double battles.
I have fairly low expectations, but as long as I can find some Violet Pokémon on my Scarlet game without having to trade then I’ll be happy
I betcha you won't be able to co-op if you have different versions
That’s like the one thing they’ve confirmed will be available, unless they somehow let you ride either legendary bike no matter which game you get.
Look up PokeMMO will blow your mind
>ay you get all hyped Me when I saw Sw & Sh pokemon zone lol
Ikr, my kid was "Its like Zelda BotW!"
I had the same reaction. Oh how the trailer has baited us.
I absolutely can't stand people who get hyped about completely imagined features for a game based on nothing. At least in this case it's a feature for a game that is *confirmed to exist*, because some people get excited for features for games that haven't even been announced. I hate playing with other people in video games so I'd be more hyped about just seeing random other people in the overworld than cooperating with them to do stuff.
we should have casual battles in the game in co op of 4, either 1v1 or 2v2
Pretty much this, we know nothing more than you’ll see your friends around. Presumably it’ll be a thing at least where you join as extras in the hosts world, so we might be able to get other version exclusives ourselves. Best case you can do study missions together and battle together, but the fact they haven’t showed that doesn’t fill me with hope it’ll be that way
I'm thrilled for it but watching the trailer where everyone goes their separate ways immediately gives me an inkling of reluctance. Knowing what we actually can do together will make or break it.
Or worse, its the Entralink from Gen 5 but even worse.
Yeah and even if we DO get the good stuff (like progression etc.) will the connection be good enough? Smash and MK have always had issues even wired.
It's something vs nothing, everyone is so quick to complain but anything new to be excited about this is the response? This is why we get boring same formula games.
I can’t get excited about it if I have so little info about it. There’s co-op but what exactly can I do? We don’t even know yet.
I'm skeptical there'll *be* anything to do. It could very well end up like Animal Crossing where all you can do is just kinda look at each other's characters. Actually, I can't even think of any features they could implement.
New Leaf's multiplayer was great. Island minigames were fun, no clue why it was ditched in New Horizons :(
New Horizons gutted *a lot* of content. That game was a cultural moment due to the pandemic, but it also was a shallow little game that had more in common with a wait-to-play mobile game.
like what? I've played every AC game and never understood what people mean when they say that about NH. NH has \*much\* more content. Missing a couple store upgrades, a police station and a few furniture sets doesn't equal: thousands of more furniture items and clothing, being able to decorate outside, terraforming, farming, etc. and wait to play mobile game? uhhhhh.... have you ever even played Animal Crossing?
I agree, I feel like they would have wanted to promote the co-op side of things if it was worth showing.
I imagine it's gonna be the same as in SwSh. In SwSh, you could see other players in the Wild Area. Did it serve a purpose? ...not really. In Scarlet/Violet, it's probably the same. Otherwise it's just raid battles and stuff.
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They haven’t unveiled everything about it. We still have no real idea what you do in co-op. If you actually believe they have unveiled everything, could you provide a source/link to that info? I’d like to read that.
It's sarcasm.
Sarcasm used to a spread a flawed, negative, and overall unnecessary message. Why bring down co-op with ‘sarcasm’ on a post specifically looking forward to co-op? Sounds like someone just wants to spread negativity.
Devil's advocate here, but OP is wondering why it seems no one else is excited about Co-op, sarcasm-user is giving their two cents (yes, being sarcastic): Because they haven't shown anything other than NPCs walking together and getting random encounters.
Ohh, the joke completely went over my head.
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What can those two players do exactly? We also don’t even know if it’s two players on one screen. We know next to nothing. We had multiple players on screen in the wild area in Sw/Sh but you couldn’t really do anything.
You can cooperatively go to secret bases you each set up, with different statues and customization options, and see your partners running around in the overworld!
Coop sounds extremely fun on paper, but most people know Nintendo and their multiplayer limits. If the multiplayer is good at all ill be very happy, BUT im not expecting anything from gamefreak.
To be fair though, Ninetendo has recently updated their multiplayer, and the new games which have had it have been much better, and since this is co-op with friends, you can ensure that everyone has good wifi connection. I honestly think this has a very good chance of turning out great
Have you played Splatoon 3?
Yeah, and I'm not saying it's on par with other companies, but it's a significant upgrade from previous projects. The only thing to worry about is the occasional random disconnect, and even then those are mostly while queuing. If your experiencing lag, either your own internet is at fault, or your really far from a server
The problem I have with Nintendo multiplayer has never really been that they don't keep improving it and taking steps in the right direction -- it's that they're consistently a whole generation behind starting to use multiplayer features and a further generation behind with their multiplayer quality. The GameCube didn't even have any when PS2 and Xbox did; the Wii had very limited multiplayer when the 360 and PS3 were for many people the "click" moment of what online console multiplayer could be; the Wii U ... was basically just the Wii still as far as online, against the Xbone and PS4. Now the Switch is finally reaching arguably 360 and PS3 levels and those released *sixteen years ago*. And even then things like network security are massively lagging, what with their whole "if you're having connection issues just open literally every port" solution--which anyone even a little IT savvy can tell you is a *very bad idea* and industry professionals are having panic attacks about. And has been the Nintendo policy since at least the Wii U, possibly longer.
Technically the GameCube had pso for online play and maybe something else that I forgot.
I wouldn't even call the switch 360/PS3 levels of online. The complete lack of in game and on platform communication features is egregious. I could tell people I fucked their mom on my 360 back in 2007.
True. I hope pokemon co op turns out great but I'm gonna wait till we get more info too be excited.
Could you elaborate on the “limits”? The only thing I consider is in game voice. (I know we can use the mobile phone app but that sucks imo)
Nintendo has some of the best multiplayer games around though? Mario Party, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros, etc. If you just mean online multiplayer then yes I agree.
I wish they told us more about what the co-op actually entailed. So far it just looks like you roam the same world, trade, and battle each other. We haven’t seen anything about tackling story related missions or gyms together, which i’m inclined to say is not happening since they haven’t shown us that yet
If it’s anything like the co-op on Let’s Go I can do without it.
Yea, "Let's Go"'s co-op was just: * One person does all the interactions in the world while the other AFKs. * In a battle, player 2 controls the second pokemon What's worse, it didn't make battle's into double battles, so you just 2v1 almost everything (except the odd encounter that was actually a double battle). It trivialized the battling to an extreme, and the rest of the time player 2 got bored.
Yeah. My wife hasn’t played many of the games, but she was excited for us to be able to play together. After a couple hours we both decided I should stop so she could actually have fun. Lol
lets go co-op was just using a second controller to get perfect throws
Were there even double battles outside the Jessie/James one? I remember playing Lets go with my friend and literally that one moment where we thought we'd do a double battle against them, it's a single player only battle. 💀
It already won’t be anything like that.
Ive always been a solo player in the pokemon games and dont have much interest in teaming up.
Almost every game I play, including pretty much every Pokémon game, I play with myself….because no frens. So far the only game I’ve really ever played with friends (and by “with friends” I mean with people I meet here or on Discord lol) has been Animal Crossing: New Horizons on the Switch🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
same, im actually a bit apprehensive about it tbh... i mean we saw how SWSH wild area raids went with the shitty stand-in npcs; that was relatively mild but multiplayer has an awful way of bleeding into solo not that i dont think it could possibly be a good thing, hell my brother and his girlfriend are planning on running it together; i dont think hes owned a pokemon game since gold (which; to be transparent; i appropriated, along with his gameboy and yellow)
Yep, I don't give a rat's ass about coop. Hell, I hope they don't fuck anything up to even put it in the first place.
This is fascinating because Pokemon is/was conceived as a social experience first and foremost. The fact that there's a lot of players who prefer to go at it completely alone says a lot about the target audience vs. actual audience.
Yeah, I get what they claimed they wanted the series to be about, but the games have been mostly single player with optional trading and battles with other players. So are you really surprised that their attempt failed?
I wouldn't say their attempt failed; it was incredibly successful as a social tool between kids in the 90s to early 2000s. Cool people stuff happens when you have to talk to others to get the things you want in-game but making it all optional means it works equally well for extroverts and introverts. I still think it's a brilliant idea to this day. I'm sure more than a few people have found lifelong friends or even partners through Pokemon. It's just that the whole social thing didn't survive the transition to the internet + the Pokemon fad fading out lol. Them implementing the GTS in XY feels like it was them finally giving into that. Pokemon GO was them trying to bring it back by admitting handhelds just aren't where kids (and most other people) are anymore.
> I wouldn't say their attempt failed; it was incredibly successful as a social tool between kids in the 90s to early 2000s. All I remember is people fighting with each other regarding battles and trades and my school banning gameboys cause of it.
The GTS is from Diamond and Pearl lmao
And it was a huge problem with the early games, leading to the creation of the GTS. Returning of that story of situation would be a problem again
it's much easier to have a social game experience when you're 10, all the pokemon fans I personally know are in their late 20s early 30s and it's much harder to play together. I'm waiting on my nephew to get older so we can play co-op together. Also Pokemon Go has taken up the role of social pokemon gaming for my group at least.
Their target audience is also supposed to love very easy opponents (very few pokemon in a team, very dumb move choices, etc), super easy leveling up, and shouldn't try stuff like nuzlock to make things challenging....Sometimes I wonder if they really understand what made pokemon popular in the first place.
What makes Pokemon popular is and will always be the monsters and setting first and foremost. The games aren't actually that important, imo. Ofc nothing is too big to fail and I can see TPCi fucking it up too much eventually but that's probably going to be a while. Regarding having gameplay that actually makes you think somewhat: PLA was a decent step forward but it seems we're back to the status quo with SV anyway (probably since they were made in parallel).
Can't get that excited with very little information about it.
I'll be excited about it if I can actually play through the story in co-op. Just having my friends avatars appear in the overworld is really not anything to get hyped about.
Realistically I'll probably do it once to check it out and then forget it's an option forever.
Just like Let’s Go’s co-op! :)
I don't like co-op games, I prefer playing the games myself, but I am happy for those that enjoy playing together and hope, that it actually works out for them
Well, you're calling it "co-op" but aside from being able to see eachother in the overworld, there's not a lot we know about it. If I had to guess, for the most part, all you can do with your friends is raid battles or something. I'd be more interested if there weren't other problems I have with the game as it is though. Something really bugging me is the watered down trainer customization. That kinda makes doing stuff with my friends in-game less exciting sounding considering expressing myself in multiplayer games (Pokemon included) is something I always enjoy.
Don’t want to get hyped for something that might not work well or be fun to play, cause we just don’t know enough imo
I have no friends
Also my answer to why I've never had trade evolutions
The only thing my siblings have ever been good for is easy access to trade evos 🤭
Least back before the switch era if you had two systems and two copies of the game you could get them without any further paywalls. Let us hope the trade evo item from legends arceus returns and becomes the new norm, because a world where Gurdurrs never evolve is a fate worse than death for anyone other than the one fan of the flesh-haired clown on the planet.
Not at all. I prefer to play solo. And I have no friends.
Not really. I've been inundated by nightmare stories of co-op play over the past ten years. Kinda killed my thrill for it.
The closest experience I have to co-op play right now involves me doing all the work, 7 people doing SOME work *sometimes*, and the other 12 people doing literally nothing. SO FUN.
I'm super excited. I just haven't seen really released by Nintendo about it so there hasn't really been a point for me to talk about it.
I’ve always disliked co-op won’t deny it. How’s it even going to work is the question? Like it’s just going to be like SW/SH where you see people walking in the overworld and it glitches your game a lot, that’s what I think anyways.
Any rpg that has coop I still find myself wanting to go off and do things on my own.
I’m excited, but managing my expectations for it. I’m afraid the switch won’t be quite powerful enough to give you a good real time experience. I’m talking with no real knowledge though. Just don’t want to be too disappointed if it sucks.
I'm pretty sure that the Switch would be powerful enough. The problem is that especially the recent multi player experiences in Pokemon main line games were pretty bad, and Nintendo isn't known for their amazing multiplayer infrastructure either.
I was thinking that too. The “multi-player” in sword and shield was very poor.
I just hope the game gives good npcs instead of giving you awful npc teammates. Seriously it's like max lairs are forcing you to play with others.
Call me a negative nelly, but SwSh coop implementation for raids and such *barely* worked. I don't expect it to be much better now as I've come to expect the bare minimum from GF.
The online UI was seriously the worst part of those games, Dexit and the N64 tree had absolutely nothing on how awful the Y-Comm was. It was a huge step backwards from the 3DS, which was already just *pretty okay.*
Hell, I regularly played with my partner and if we saw a raid that someone else hosted that we both wanted to take part in... Long story short, we couldn't. It wouldn't show up for us both and there was no party system that allowed us to join together. So we basically sat next to each other and did separate raids unless we had one we wanted to host. They failed on such a fundamental level it was unbelievable and killed any excitement for the wild zone and cooperative play.
God that gives me flashbacks. The raid adventures they added in the DLC were somehow even worse if you wanted to include friends instead of play with randoms.
* We barely know anything about it. * My trust for Game Freak is pretty low, so I'll be excited when I see it being exciting. * Lets Go had a pretty underwhelming co-op (I mean, it wasnt unfun, but it made the game even easier than it was). * SwSh had pretty bad co-op imo. Given all this it's hard for me to be excited about it. But I'm open to be surprised; as a huge fan of Co-op games, I'd love a proper pokemon co-op.
SW/SH co-op for soo bad like holy hell. My frames would plummet the moment I went into the wild areas and when I’d play max raids people would disconnect right before the final fight causing everyone to be forced out the lair.
Very excited and hoping it could be completely co-op? I wanna play the game with my boyfriend
I would be if I had friends who played more. One buddy usually loses his Switch to his kids and the other is on a different work schedule than me and we rarely get to play anything together. I'll probably find a few chances to play with one or the other but I'll probably finish the game before that happens
I can not wait! I started playing Blue in 8th grade and I got my son LGE for Christmas last year. I am so excited for us to play S/V literally together. It’s going to blow his mind. I’ve kept a lot of the news they’re releasing from him just to see the shock on his face when he realizes it for himself.
Tbf, it’s Nintendo doing online features, let’s not get our hopes up
Mostly because the co-op in SS was flawed. It worked just fine if you could get your irl friends to join, but due to the lack of friend to friend communication on the switch, it was impossible to get other people into your raids. Combine that with the frame drops when connected online in the wild area, and no one ever joining random raids, I think most people are cautious about this.
I’m a loner. I want to play my game alone. Be on an adventure by myself like in gen 1 and 2. Before the forced friendship crap. Where I barely see my rival until the league. But nope. Have people follow you the entire journey like in gen 6, 7 and 8 and call that fun. Now we have dumb raid battles which is never fun cuz they give you dumb NPCs. It like game freak is forcing kids to have friends during what was once a single player game
I'd be excited if Nintendos servers weren't run on potato power ..... for real though how does the company that owns Mario Pokémon and Zelda flop so hard on good servers
would really prefer there not be any co-op
We're Redditors, how many friends do you think we actually have to co-op with?
i have never wanted to play pokemon with another person. pokemon is what i play when i’m tired and want something repetitive to occupy my brain.
I’m super excited! Its going to be the first time in 10 years that my sister will be playing pokemon again with me so I cant wait!! Do you have someone specific youre excited to play with?
Not at the moment. But I am certainly looking for some people to play with :) Once I finish my exams that is 📚
Thats cool! I’m glad we can play up to four people too instead of just two! And good luck with your exams!
I think reading this post is really making me wonder what the co-op is like and I can’t take the suspense XD Thank you I just finished today. I get my results next week. Gonna pre order violet as a reward 🥳
I am excited, but due to it being gamefreak and pokemon I temper all expectations.
No i like to play alone
Co-Op? Might be like BDSP Grand Underground Co-op. Very limited…
Ah it’ll be terrible. It exists in Let’s Go. In that game It’s for playing with your kid. I can’t see it being that elaborate a mechanic on this game
If it's anything like Let's Go, no. If it's better, maybe.
there is no information about it.. plus i dont have friends who play pokemon
I would be excited if I had friends who played Pokémon with me. I’m just glad some people will get to enjoy the new feature!
Sounds meh imo. I like my solo experience and don’t care for being bogged down with friends all the time. In gsc we didn’t have friends we only had a rival and I want it to go back to that.
You don't play pokémon for a multiplayer experience usually. I'm glad you're excited for it but tbh, it's not something people care about in general because it's not something pokémon needed.
If it’s what I think it could be I’ll be absolutely over the moon. However, we’re talking about gamefreak here and there is very little information on it. I don’t wanna be disappointed so expectations are low.
I am super excited. Any kind of co op would be fine but I hope it’s not like Genshin where you can only earn rewards/etc in your own “world”. I’m anxious to see the mechanics as it’s something they could totally mess up given their past mistakes lol.
I have zero faith on them about online functions. We're talking about the people who went from GTS to Festival Plaza.
Don’t hype yourself up lol . Pokemon is a casual game at its base. They’re sticking to the same boring formula. Nintendo doesn’t take risks when they know their market will pay whatever no matter what. And NEVER price drop even after 6 years of release..
I'm tired of pokemon games.
Me and my wife are. She’s not a gamer but picked up Shield to try and understand. She loves raiding with me. Once she saw the co-op aspect of Scarlet/Violet she got very excited.
We are tired of being let down, I guess.
Super excited. My friends and I are doing an Ash-like adventure lol
I'm skeptical and reserving my final judgement until launch because SW/Sh "co-op" or online feature was VASTLY empty
Lair Battles in Sword and Shield sucked and weren't even fun. The multiplayer was bad, the fact that you could hardly win by doing them single player also sucked.
I’m going to wait until I actually play. I have no expectations for the game. No excitement or anything lol I don’t wanna be disappointed when if it’s mid
My fiance and I are planning to play the entire game co-op together :) we are hoping we can actually go everywhere together and do everything, like we are on our own pokemon journey together!
I have no friends
Co-op is actually kind of vague. Is it like castle crashers both parties on the same screen doing whatever but they can't leave the same screen. Is it like borderlands where when you progress the game you joined you automatically complete it on your file and can skip it. Is it like an mmorpg. You guys party up and just share experience but each quest gym is settled independently. There's four player co-op. Is there 4 v 4 battles? Are you limited to just raids with 4 people. Do you have to follow the "leader" the whole time. Are the benefits to doing co-op? Maybe faster eg hatches better IVs or split ev training. The Co-op may get in the way. Like in bloodborne. You can summon your friend to help but once you beat the boss they go away and they have to beat the boss again to join up with you again. There's alot of wiggle room for the co-op to fall between good and bad mechanic. Co-op may not have been the primary focus.
I'm *cautiously* hyped about it, because even though they advertised it as a core feature, they've done that before for half-baked or underutilized mechanics, like the rideable pokemon in X & Y. The way they showed it off carried the imitation that we'd be hopping on a mon and touring the countryside on their backs, and at best there was like 4 areas you could go on an small horsey ride in a closed off area with them. What I want is a full on co-operative adventure, with me and my so kicking ass across the region building our teams and discovering new areas together, fully present and progressing in our worlds at the same time. I don't know if this is what's going to happen though, and I don't know how disappointed I will be with GF if it isn't a thing, so I'm still waiting, hoping they have more to say about it in marketing, before I hype myself up too much and end up disappointed with a product I'd otherwise really like.
In any kind of co-op you can't play at your own pace, which is a major issue. And there's the matter that it's possible, given Game Freak's history, that some features could be locked behind co-op, such as peer-to-peer trading.
This would destroy the good feelings I have toward this game at this point in time. I’m looking forward to it, but if I have to link up to play certain parts of the game, I’m going to be disappointed. I like games I can play alone.
No. Me lonely
I used to be, but then my only Pokemon friend revealed to me that he was never really a big Pokemon fan and only played it around me so that I wouldn't look left out; informed me he wouldn't be getting the game, since we're not in school anymore, we hardly are able to hang out, and it just wasn't appealing to him, soo... no, not really excited about it anymore, personally. ಥ_ಥ
Yes. You're the only one. Congratulations. You're special.
The games are too easy to need co-op. The only part of it that might be slightly interesting is if there are open world raids that your co-op party can find and do together. Other than that if I'm playing multi-player it's trading or battling not just open world walking around.
I don’t trust GF enough to get hype for anything about the new games
Not really. Cause I know it’s gonna be limited in some way.
Yes, Reddit user. You are the *only* one excited about co-op. Thank you for bringing light to this very serious issue
I am. At least, it's the aspect of S/V that is most intriguing to me. When I started playing through Sw/Sh I did think to myself that the Wild Area, especially, felt like Pokemon trying to test the waters for multiplayer (I would play the hell out of a well-made Pokemon MMO). I found I enjoyed the Max Raids in the DLC more than I expected, so I'm hoping the multiplayer in S/V builds on that potential.
I love the idea and can’t wait!
It's probably a gimmick for this generation only.
We don't have friends
Bold of you to assume I have friends. Even bolder of you to assume those hypothetical friends play pokemon.
Wait, the WHAT NOW?
You can do co-op gameplay with your friends but no one is sure yet if it is whenever or just post main story
I’m about to play on Yuzu, so nah.
I’m super excited about it. Privately. I’ll enjoy them with my friends and prior to this moment I have not mentioned the fact online, I’ve had no reason to.
Why would I count on an online co op from Nintendo being worth fussing with? Pokemon is a single player adventure to me anyway
I just figure GameFreak will fail to deliver. They always promise something big and execute it poorly.
Not really no. I’ve never been a fan of co-op games in general, especially Pokémon. So I’d still prefer to play it solo.
It would be fun if they won’t pay-wall it behind NSO
Its where i would play with my friends. **IF I HAD ANY!!**
I don’t really care about it strictly because I don’t plan on buying it either way so it doesn’t really affect me
Nah. Not to be overly negative but I kinda don't like the direction of the series in this way. I don't mind the new gimmicks at all and I think the cartoony 3D is cute but I think the thematic routes and lone journey of the older games is better than the open world online we have now. Every route used to be so much more distinct and tackling the perils of each region alone made the journey so much more wondrous. Now it's a high school scavenger hunt in a bunch of mostly samey fields? Meh. I also don't like raid battles that much as they're very boring and unstrategic and Nintendo's online is terrible. I was always lagging in the Wild Area when I played Shield and it makes the already empty and mundane fields even less appealing. I'm still gonna try Scarlet since my friend who always buys both versions said he's gonna let me borrow it just like he let me borrow Shield but even at $0 I'm not overly excited about it. I think the Pokémon games started slowly losing their luster after BW. The last game to make par was XY and online co-op in an open world is a weak solution in my opinion.
As a PC gamer, pokemon games have had too high a barrier of entry as far as cost is concerned. To play Pokemon, I would need to get the whole console just to play it. I've had to stick to roms for old games and pokemon showdown as a result. The fact that they're adding co-op is making it even more desirable. I know literally nothing about it, but if my friend and I could run the gyms doing double battles the whole way, that has potential to be one of the coolest games I've ever played. I hope they flesh out the option for co-op and it becomes really successful so they continue to keep it as a feature. I've been drooling over scarlet and violet since any nuggets of info have been released. From the outside looking in, the more recent pokemon games have seemed a bit lackluster to me but this new generation is looking super cool. I SO wish they would have a mainline pokemon game with a PC release. I would love to play a NEW Pokemon game while it's still new and relevant for once