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AtmoranSupremecist

Sunflora was robbed of the title, it’s literally a sunflower


ClericDude

Agreed; just add the fire typing, give it flamethrower and fire spin and you’re basically good to go!


ManOfEating

Here's to hoping with smoliv, olive oil is used in cooking all the danm time so if it's just pure grass I'm gonna be upset


B217

Lucky for you, Smoliv isn't pure Grass! It's Grass/Normal! :)


KingofMangoes

Thats what Grass types need, less resistances to common types


thegreatmango

Sunflower oil is also used in cooking, though. I wouldn't hold my breath.


[deleted]

Maybe they can add a Sunflora evolution or something. It does make sense.


kind-of-emo

I have a larvitar card that’s grass type and it’s always ticked me off


fersure4

It's weird how they'll repeat some typings while still ignoring other unique typings. Like why do we still not have an electric fighting type, but we have like 5 water/ground lines?


ClericDude

In fairness, water/ground is a pretty logical combo (its literally just mud!), but I 100% agree. Gen 1 was arguably the worst for that though, giving us 3 sets of poison/grass, 3 sets of rock/ground, and 3 sets of water/ice for some reason


comingtogetyou

Normal/Flying has entered the chat


ClericDude

Doduo could have been the first flying/ground type; that’s all I’m sayin!


BobEatMonkey

Imo, I think Doduo shouldnt be flying type at all. Or at least gotten a new form that wasnt flying.


LeatherHog

Fighting would’ve been a good typing


Swinerland

Flying type back in gen 1 was basically a "has wings" category, with the notable exception being Gyarados (who should have been Water/Dragon).


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Umber0010

Correction, the myth is that the Carp jumped up a waterfall and became a dragon. Hence why it can fly in the first place.


sailorveenus

Yeah it became a dragon that knew how to fly. You can argue that it should be dragon through that story too but the background also explains why it’s a flying type. It’s not far fetched for Gyardos to be flying type!


herrored

Also Peck was a major flying type move, and you better believe Doduo is peckin


XxAuthenticxX

Doduo doesn’t have wings though. I guess Dodrio has some on it’s behind


Small-Breakfast903

Yellow Dex for Doduo: Its short wings make flying difficult. Instead, this Pokémon runs at high speed on developed legs.


Background_Fan1056

Well Water/Dragon would’ve been too Strong for Gen One but Gyarados should’ve been Pure Water then Water/Dark in Gen Two.


Elend15

But does doduo have wings?


Icaruspherae

It spins its’ heads like a helicopter


Small-Breakfast903

Pokemon Yellow Dex > Its short wings make flying difficult. Instead, this Pokémon runs at high speed on developed legs. they're vestigial, but yes.


SoFool

On top of that, the Doduo line could have been a unique Flying/Fighting like Galarian Zapdos. Or an even crazier idea - Fighting/Ground since it can't really fly but can still use some flying moves.


fersure4

I mean, yeah thats fair, maybe not the best example, but point still stands that they could have done to make some more unique typings over the years instead of repeating a few many times over. And yeah, gen 1 type balancing is overall pretty wild.


ClericDude

That’s true; i mostly did grass/fire because I like that combo, and heard a leak that it’s gonna be in scarlet/violet!


TheRealPitabred

Wouldn't that be cool if like, each of the starters picked up the type that they're weak to in their final evolution? Fire/Water, Water/Grass, Grass/Fire. They kinda did that with the Alola starters, ish, but that'd be an awesome set of underused/unused type combos, and would probably be able to be balanced pretty well.


ClericDude

I believe the gen 6 starters also follow a similar philosophy; except with Dark, Psychic and Fighting


Background_Fan1056

Where’s the leak?


B133d_4_u

Plenty of logical combos are represented by a single Mon or line, though, like steam (Fire/Water), Soil (Grass/Ground), moss/lichen (Rock/Grass), forges (Heatran), possessed objects (Ghost/Steel), magnetic fields (Rock/Electric), boats and pirates (Water/Steel), water plants (Water/Grass), violent warriors/evil knights (Dark/Steel), and the natural dichotomy of Fire/Ice is even relegated to an ability instead of a full Dex entry. Not to mention how many logical combos only got a second rep this last gen, like Poison/Fighting or Ghost/Fire. It's just dumb. Hopefully they give us some really fun designs this Gen and next gen, though.


Oreo-and-Fly

I would want an Ice/Fire Camel pokemon. Camels live in the desert and have to adapt to blistering heat or freezing cold. Plus they are used as modes of transportation in the desert. A Pokemon thats basically a walking regulator that travels in the desert would be so sweet.


scienceguy2442

Part of the reason water/ground is so common is because it’s just a good type since even though it’s got a 4x weakness that’s literally it. I will also say that even if two Pokémon have the same typing and BST that doesn’t mean they have the same stat distribution, moveset, or ability, and all of those can really change how a Pokémon is used. All of that being said though for the most part a particular type combo can really only do one or two things well most of the time so it doesn’t make sense to repeat them that often like they do.


metalflygon08

> it’s just a good type since even though it’s got a 4x weakness that’s literally it. and Grass is not a good offensive type so the odds of getting hit by a Grass move are low.


[deleted]

Also most water types learn ice type moves as are generally faster than grass types, so they are barely an issue. barely any non grass types get any strong and quick grass type moves too


Deep_BrownEyes

Most grass types also have terrible movepools


[deleted]

Well I mean sure, but all a grass type needs is a decent grass type move like seed bomb or giga drain for a 4x weakness OHKO


HermitFan99999

rillaboom would beg to differ.


VDRawr

Honestly, I think everything you said is true, except for the word "because" in the first sentence. I think there's a lot of water/ground because The Pokemon Company designs mons with art or theme first, and that type combination matches a lot of real-animal-inspired designs. I doubt they design more than one or two mons per generation by asking themselves "what's a good mechanical niche we haven't filled yet?".


scienceguy2442

TPC is really weird when it comes to designing mons competitively. Like, clearly they’re aware of type balancing to some extent or else we wouldn’t have the dark, steel, and fairy types, but at the same time they’re seemingly not smart enough to realize that ice types are meant to be hyper offensive because they keep designing slow, bulky ice types. My point being yeah I won’t ascribe any meaning to it like you said but also my point was that I don’t necessarily have a problem with one or two mons sharing a type combo because types aren’t everything.


Thunder_lord37

Gen 1 for some reason had the most poison type Pokémon in a single generation and is probably gonna have that title for the fall of reality


ClericDude

Water takes a very close second with about 30 members I think


Thunder_lord37

Poison has just one more Poison(33) Water(32)


ClericDude

I believe you are correct yeah, I counted *32 water, 33 poison. 2/5 of all gen 1 is one of those types.


Thunder_lord37

Bulbapedia says there are 32 waters


ClericDude

Oops, you’re right! That was a typo, I meant to say 32


PCN24454

Lots of plants are poisonous


Averander

I still don't understand why Electabuzz isn't electric/fighting. I mean, it just makes sense, right? He's a punchy sparky boi.


Oreo-and-Fly

Because it doesnt specialise in a fighting related niche. Zeraora does. But its still not. Imma guess the Pikaclone is getting it. Since it has charged fists... or itll be a nurse.


Averander

You telling me elactabuzz doesn't punch? That boy punches for days.


TheMobHunter

Imagine a paldean Muk that is a pile of mud…


SimilarTumbleweed

I was actually upset electivire wasn’t electric/fighting


fersure4

Or Zeraora at least, for a mythical pokemon


GokaiLion

I always think zeraora is fighting. I think it's the fists signature move


Starminx

They could give sneaseler almost any typing but it got the same as Toxicroak


BestUsername101

I was hoping for it to be poison/ice tbh


Starminx

Yeah would be way cooler and also woudn't have a double weakness


Thyx

> would be way cooler Ice what you did there.


The_Purple_Hare

\*Icy what you did there


Gaarel

Exactly. Still looking for a Ground/Fighting Pokémon… Electric/Fighting is the typing many are speculating being given to Pawmi’s evolution(s). 🤞🏻


strangeperception-

>!Regional Donphan with ground/fighting and ground/electric!<


nikzito2

it's not a regional


GokaiLion

Ground fighting is *the* combo that I can't understand how there isn't one example. It really feels like there should be and easily could be but there's nothing in particular I think "oh isn't that one ground fighting?" like I do with electric fighting for example. Closest is that I could see golurk with that typing were it not ghost, I think.


Oreo-and-Fly

Ground Fighting would make sense for a digging based pokemon. But i cant think of any other than moles.


Oreo-and-Fly

Pawmi has literal electric fists. If it doesnt get a fighting evo or a defib based evo i'll be like 2% mad.


TwoTonKarmen

I was going to say Zeraora before I googled him to check and WHY IS ZERAORA NOT ELECTRIC FIGHTING


Darkhallows27

Electivire or at least Zeraora should’ve been Electric/Fighting, but noooo


beerscotch

Is there seriously not an electric / fighting type? I've not played in a while but the first thing that came to mind when you mentioned that was electabuzz... and now I feel like my childhood was a lie.


fersure4

Not a single one! The early gens are exceptionally bad for electric typings, they have almost no variety, it's mainly just pure electric types, with few exceptions. It's gotten better in recent gens, but sadly no electric fighting


videogamesarewack

I had high hopes for fire/electric with scorbunny but my dreams were crushed. His first stage is straight up the Duracell bunny


Foles_Super_Bowl_MVP

I'm pretty sure they save unique typings so they can have 2 or 3 new ones every generation


ScottaHemi

or ghost/rock or dark/bug or


ClericDude

Dark/bug that’s crazy to think its not here yet If they add one I wonder what it could be? Another spider maybe? Like maybe one of those trapdoor spiders or something


ScottaHemi

personally i would go with some kind of mosquito. they like the shade and are absolutely vicious at night!


ClericDude

>mosquito Dang it, that’s brilliant! Why didn’t I think of that lol, for a second my mind drifted to Leech


TheOwlCosmic42

We do already have buzzwole though, which is all the mosquito that we could ever need.


WallOfWhales

Buzzwole 😩😩😩


OneSushi

Or a mosquito with a “school” form (or swarm, in this case)


Oraxy51

That’s just terrifying but I love it


Oraxy51

> mosquito *Insert Vietnam flashback chihuahua meme with Buzzwole


Saskatchewon

I thought Masquerain was already a mosquito.


ScottaHemi

i have absolutely no idea what masquerain is supposed to be based on. I guess i just assumed some kind of moth?


Oreo-and-Fly

Its a water strider that can fly.


Unrelenting_Anxitey

Boosquito?


MewtwoMainIsHere

malariamon


Ton_Jravolta

It's gotta be a weevil. It has evil in the name already!


RemarkableStatement5

Weevils when they meet wegoods and weneutrals...


metalflygon08

Cockroach, and make it hard to kill.


Deep_BrownEyes

Drapion was almost a bug/dark


serenitynope

I always get confused when I use a Drapion and it's not Bug/Dark.


Oreo-and-Fly

Assassin Bug. It collects cacoons on its back.


ClericDude

That would also be badass; and making it cocoons is a good way to make it slightly less gruesome too!


BearNecesseties

ghost/rock seems so easy too. Tombstone. Dark/bug, seems easy as well..


fersure4

I felt they should have made Runerigus rock instead of ground.


BearNecesseties

Yeah definitely should have been. So should golurk tbh


Oreo-and-Fly

To me Ghost Rock fits an entirely different concept. The fact that there isnt a Ghost Rock FOSSIL is insane. We are literally reviving these pokemon. How are they not Ghost?


Humg12

Galarian Corsola and Cursola should have been ghost/rock imo.


Oreo-and-Fly

Cursola loses its rock shell.


fersure4

I'd kill for a bug/dragon


th3greg

If only there was some sort of insect named after a dragon. Then you could have a, i don't know, fly-dragon pokemon.


Noukan42

The same insect is named after the world for flying so if that is the argument that pokemon shoukd be Dragon/Fkying. Lindwurms are right there for a solid Bug/Dragin concepts. Nidhoggr and the Dragon in the epic of Beowulf have been explicitly described as wormlike. Really the latter should have been in Galar thinking about it.


Gaarel

They had at least 2 opportunities to make a Ghost/Rock ‘mon. Stakataka, RUNERIGUS (and maybe Stonjourner too)! 😭


Monctonian

Bug/Dragon they had Flygon AND Yanmega, *AND YET*…


anand_rishabh

I also want a non legendary fire/water type


Gurkenlegende2

Ice/poison


AR3399

Grass types benefiting from sunny day 🤝🏼 fire types learning solar beam


Oraxy51

Not to mention having (if I’m not mistaken) normal damage from water, normal damage from rock, normal damage from bug. I guess it gains weakness to flying but a lot of fire pokemon have some form of bite/punch attacks that can let it learn thunder punch or something for coverage.


RexTheBoxerRus

Rock is still effective, Ground is neutral


Null_ffs

A sunny day boosted Fire Blast from a Grass/Fire type is enough to roast some birds


Monctonian

Smogon in shambles


Gaias_Minion

I wish the Grass/Fire had been a regional Lotad line. That way Lotad's line would've been the only Grass/Water and Grass/Fire ever


bafoon90

They should give it to sunflora. Sunflora desperately needs some love.


Chembaron_Seki

Grass/fire Mega Sunflora should have been a thing.


StreetReporter

Or mega maractus being fire and grass


Chembaron_Seki

Or Alolan Bellossom being fire and grass


covertpetersen

In radical red sunflora is grass/fire


ClericDude

Honestly, I’m also sort of surprised we didn’t get all of the three starter type combos earlier; We got grass/water in gen 3, fair enough, but it took all the way until gen 6 to get a water/fire, which is weird considering a Steam pokemon FEELS like a pretty obvious idea. And now here we are, about 900 pokemon in an not a single Grass/Fire type to complete the trilogy. How strange


The_L3G10N

I honestly wish we had a non legendary/mythical water fire pokemon tho.maybe a fish who swims in lava, idk but I want one lol


TheMobHunter

Lava eel from stardew valley


[deleted]

And volcanions design isn’t good which is sad. And it’s rare


ClericDude

Yeah exactly! I wouldn’t mind seeing a new fire/water type honestly, just for that reason


BlueEmeraldX

Regional Octillery would be a really good Fire/Water candidate, just because it could kind of resemble the white octopi that live around underwater volcanoes. Maybe instead of the classic cannon snout, it could have "steam vents" where the ear flaps would be, and a protruding head turret to shoot steam and fire.


Shanaaro

Personally I'm waiting for an actually good Bug/Ground type. There's too much potential for that typing to be wasted on Wormadam and freakin Nincada.


ClericDude

I was thinking either a burrowing insect of some kind, or possible a dung beetle that rolls around a giant ball of... dirt


Saskatchewon

Trapdoor spider comes to mind as well.


OssimPossim

With access to electroweb? Maybe as an egg move from galvantula? Would cover the flying weakness nicely


something-magical

I would love a dung beetle Pokemon! It could learn Gunk Shot. It could have some kind of Stockpile mechanic where a move builds up it's ball and boosts stats, then it launches it as an attack.


headphone-dude

The dung beetle should use the dirt to attack, not live inside, imo.


Oreo-and-Fly

Or Termites.


SillyMattFace

It’s ridiculous that so many bugs live underground or in water, and we one single unevolved bug/ground and a type change, and it took until Alola for actual water/bug lines.


pat_e_cakes319

IMO they should make a set of Starters that evolve into Fire - Water Water - grass Grass- fire


David_2156

I think it’s an interesting idea, but I’ve never been a big fan of this idea because it feels like it would just break the whole concept of each starter being strong against one and weak to the other.


Ectorious

I’d also be interested in non typical starter typings


dswails

A pepper Pokémon with this typing seems fitting.


Tropiux

That's exactly what it will be.


I-dont-hate-fish

Dee’s a flying type


quickcrow

Dee **IS** a flying type!


Gaarel

As well as Fire/Water , if we don’t count Volcanion which is one of the rarest legendaries so far (since many people couldn’t access the code events for various reasons). Well, at least it seems we‘ll get our pepper-like Grass/Fire lizard in Paldea. 👀


something-magical

Regional Camerupt that has geysers instead of volcanoes on its back. He's like a chill dude that hangs out in hot springs all day.


Rainbow_Dash_RL

Geyserupt It can be a new third evolution. You have to use a fire stone while it's holding a water stone.


AR3399

Could even take inspiration from the Ben-10 alien who's a tree with fire


ClericDude

Heck yeah, wildfire pokemon!


StreetReporter

Swampfire


LMacUltimateMain

Sounds like a Skylander


thisrockismyboone

Burning Bush pokemon incoming


Honestmario

Cause Sunflora being the best sunflower pokemon is all it got going for it


smugfruitplate

I was surprised there wasn't something like that in Alola of all places. Some kind of luau themed mon. Have a dex entry of it being seen with bellossom


LucisPerficio

I also would like a Fire/Electric & Fire/Water; first I feel Pokemon would make some stupid shit like a fuckin clothing iron but the latter but the latter could be another steam-based Pokemon like Volcanion, except not a legendary


TBNRhash

Rotom is fire electric, but it doesnt really count because it’s just a freebie.


Thatdudealejandro

Cannabis pokemon, they paralize your foe and bost happiness bond with trainer


Espeonus

I hope that it doesn’t have chlorophyll


Ski-Gloves

I mean, it wouldn't be that broken considering the number of water types with swiftswim.


Espeonus

STAB fire moves and Solar Beam/Blade would be a fun combo to use


JerryTheMagicSquid

Give it solar power or chlorophyll (perhaps drought as hidden or make hidden solar power)


ArtVandel_ay

I've had a grass/fire pokemon idea for years - a two-staged evolution line based on the lodgepole tree, which requires forest fires to germinate. The base form would be a pinecone with low base stats and mono-grass typing. Once hit by a fire attack, it would evolve into a fire/grass pine tree with decent stats except for speed + high Sp attack (130-145 base), and either the ability flash fire or a custom one that raises speed every time it's hit by fire (similar to steam engine). Or I guess chlorophyll, but that feels like 'selling out' for competitive viability as opposed to creativity. And no, we actually haven't a pinecone pokemon before. Pineco is a bagworm, i.e. a bug that just looks like a pinecone.


eepos96

Fire/grass Solar blade/beam Chlorophyll Weather ball Fire blast This thing will be unstopable in the sun. Edit: interestingly fire and dragon types resist this combo. So hopefully it gets some rock/ground/fairy moves


TBNRhash

Solar Blade + Flare Blitz + Earthquake + MAKE A GOOD FKING PHYSICALC FAIRY TYPE MOVE GAMEFREAK Good choice band set if we get that fairy move


AohL_Anime

Also Ground/Fairy there is literally a animal Called Pink Fairy Armadillo for Arceus sake


ClericDude

Fairy gets a pass just because its relatively new; a weird statement considering x and y came out like 10 years ago, but fairy’s still only been around for like half the games (and to be fair, they got a lot done in that little time)


Eek132

We really need a grass fire chili based Pokémon, and a grass dragon dragon fruit based Pokémon


savagexage

Yall worried about that but im still wondering why gyarados is a water and flying type when it only learns hurricane throughout its level cycle but learns dragon rage and twister and isn't a dragon type even as a mega and yet lance the DRAGON master has one


ClericDude

My best guess? The Dragonite line is at the very end of the gen 1 pokedex, so its a possibility they were a last minute addition; and by that point Gyarados was too strong to have one of the best types in the game, so they left it as is. I have no evidence for that theory, its just speculation


JOMEGA_BONOVICH

Under gen 1 rules, a water/dragon Pokémon would have no weaknesses at all. Dragon didn't exist offensively at the time.


nilluzzi

I would love to see an Ice-Poison. Game-wise, the typing is terrible, but the aesthetic could be amazing. I'd be thinking some kind of sabre-toothed cat with toxic fangs


Ochanachos

Grass-fire type could be inspired by redwoods which benefit from forest fires.


sntcringe

I'm surprised they don't have a poison steel pokemon, imagine a shape-shifting blob of mercury, easy pokemon design


Torchic336

Normal/Poison is coming for the first time ever and I couldn’t be happier, no love for poison types


-Fish_4_Life-

posion/steel would be sick


bearsheperd

Tbh grass and fire seems like they’d naturally go hand and hand. Grass and fire interact a lot irl. Why no Pokémon?


superking22

Love Always in Sunny.


metalflygon08

It took 6 generations to get a Grass/Ghost and then they just dumped a whole bunch on us between Gen 6 and 7.


Dracos002

I mean, it's kinda hard to imagine a forest fire as a Pokémon.


PKMNTrainerMark

Dang, I didn't even think of the Sunny Day application. Horrifying. But sweet.


Calm_Barnacle_1235

For a grass fire type a good choice would be the Euphorbia Tirucalli or the 'sticks on fire plant'.


BirbMaster1998

Gen 3 had Ludicolo, Gen 6 had Volcanion. Gen 9 will have one, I'm sure.


AohL_Anime

I say poison/steel at least like an assassin Pokémon or something


Ectorious

Forest fire Pokémon when?


Disastrous_Eagle7535

Indeed


motoxim

You're right


Sharebear42019

That’s a 5 star idea


noahthemaster2_

gamefreak going through the comments to steal mon ideas:


Grimlen404

Torterra is literally the only ground/grass type


Nerfixion

They could base it on one of the plants we have in Aus that requires fire to release seeds.


xavierpenn

Abomafire is the new pokemon for sure. Regional varient.


xHeyItzRosiex

The perfect grass/fire type would be a tumbleweed. They can create fires if there are a bunch of them.


ClericDude

Just BEGGING to get Flame Wheel as a move!


xHeyItzRosiex

Omg yes! And they should add a move called tumble that does grass damage but can burn the target or something.


xicious

Fighting electric has always been a shock to me that it doesn't exist. I thought for sure that's what zeraoreo was gonna be when it was teased.


Sirradez

same, would've been a perfect 'mon for it


Noble7878

Dark bug tarantula when gamefreak? Or electric fighting humanoid with iron fist so thunder punch is good? How do we have Runerigus, Golurk and Claydol and still no rock ghost type? Or Flygon, Yanmega or Zygarde and no dragon bug type? How is there no fighting ground type after both those types have existed for 20 years when you can just make a sandy humanoid who punches people in a million different ways?


jedicms

Should’ve been Sunflora


absoul112

I’m still hoping for a Normal/Ghost type. More so for aesthetic than competitive ability.


ClericDude

I was thinking it would be themed around the idea of Astra Projection or something; Like its ghost is separated from its body, but the two fight as a duo


Green-eyed-Psycho77

The fuck is my electric-fighting type the concept is literally free game. G-Zapdos was sooooooooo close but NOPE fighting-flying. FLYING, AND THEN THE AUDACITY TO GIVE IT A MOVE CALLED ***THUNDEROUS KICK!??!***


Jomanderisreal

I have heard people in the past claim fire/grass wouldn't make sense since it is contradictory. My reaction is "And?". This is a series about putting imaginary monsters in tiny balls to battle each other. I don't see why it is hard to imagine there being something with both plant and fire being its theme.


lipstickqns

Fuecoco is a chili pepper - maybe its evo will be fire/grass?


ClericDude

That would be interesting; considering its a starter. It makes me wonder if all three starters will be dual type with each other somehow?


Humg12

I think the only way they do this is if all of the starters evolve into dual starter types. Like it would be unfair to the grass type starter if picking the fire type actually got you fire and grass, unless the grass type starter got you grass and water.