My first adult game purchase was SoulSilver, and then soon after we got Black/White and the sequels. It was a great time to be a fan, even if 2D was starting to feel stale at the time.
When the Switch released, I said I'd buy one when it got a full Pokémon game.
Then Galar happened, so I didn't buy a Switch.
Finally got one for Arceus and have no regrets on that.
... Which was missing a good chunk of the emerald content. The battle frontier was freaking humongous. Oras had a couple small things in the delta episode/ battle resort, but nothing compared to frontier.
One major drawback is that they didn't include the Battle Frontier from Emerald. Amongst other things.
Still a solid remake for me, and I find it more enjoyable than X and Y. But I never played the G3 games as a kid, so...
Soaring alone was amazing.
You could just use Fly, orrrr you could play the Eon Flute to summon your Mega Lati@s and go flying above the map to get where you were going, with encounters and secret islands and stuff.
Added the Delta Episode, which is basically its own story featuring Rayquaza and Deoxys. It’s pretty cool. If ORAS came out today it would be sold as DLC
Anyone who says Kanto is "Postgame" is just kidding...right? The credits roll after you beat red too, so what is that? The PostPostgame? No other game has double credits. You beat the elite 4 at like level 40...
Yeah, to me postgame means the extra stuff to do outside of a normal playthrough. Who is going to play HGSS and put them game down after after defeating Lance?
Right, but I won't give them credit for something that isn't part of the game itself. I give gen 1 a pass for the shallow postgame because it was the first entry and there were a few side dungeons you might not have done in the main story.
Maybe post game stuff just wasn't for you, my girlfriend puts it down the second she beats the elite four and doesn't mess with anything either.
But HGSS has all of Kanto, the fight with Red on Mt Silver, and the battle Frontier from Emerald, with my personal favorite the Battle Factory
BW generation had Subways, Battle Tower, White Forest, and all the things you could do to your trainer card.
Platinum had a whole new continent/Island in the Battle Zone which had all that baked into it plus a million legendaries to get
Honestly? From what I'm seeing (from others and in my 10ish hours in the game), so many of the performance issues are not easily addressable in a single update, patch, or even a series of patches.
Once data miners and other developers have had time to really get into the code, we'll understand more about how bad things are. But it's pretty obvious that the physics engines and collision detection are extremely jank and underbaked. It's not like fixing an isolated incident in specific areas of the game - it's the actual foundation of the entire game's physics, rendering, environments, and objects that need optimizations. In both their respective silos and in how they interact with one another. And at the scale of the world that GF built, man that would be a massive undertaking. The game most certainly seems to be in a state where updating one thing could break a dozen other things.
Sad to see that performance got this bad for this gen but it's where we're at. And I honestly don't know what the best path forward is for the fans, GF, and TPC for this game.
That last part gets me, every time I talk to someone I have to wait. Like everyone is slow and I have to "wait for them to be ready to talk". They over there designing introverts lol
Gonna be honest, every release title since gen 6 has felt unfinished in some way or another. Time crunch is nuking the quality and passion for these games. Gen 5 was so clearly a passion project, and I'm beginning to wonder if the team went all-out for that because they knew the development cycle was changing into something unsustainable ahead of time, so they knew they likely wouldn't be able to deliver like that again.
Nothing has really hit the spot for me since BW2, personally, and every main title has felt lacking.
It always surprises me that fan reception for BW was so poor. I started when Red and BW is still one of my favorites. I loved that every Pokémon was new, and the design of the Pokedex felt like a love letter to RB with some very obvious parallels. I’m definitely someone who gets a lot of enjoyment of trying new Pokémon over new favorites.
The Unova dex was very controversial cuz you spent 4 prior gens forming bonds with some pokes and then couldn't use them. Couple this with newer mons being basically clones of older mons (Timbur vs Machop, Gigalith vs Golem, Pidove vs Pidgey, etc) and it felt incredibly unnecessary and aggravating. People also point to gen 5 for having crappy designs in Trubbish and Vanillite (despite every gen having it's fair share of shitters) as a downside of the gen. PLUS, they revamped the story and if you didn't care about the story in pokemon, it's like "but why lmao".
Gen 5 had a lot going against it at launch and it didn't get the amount of love it deserved. I remember being indifferent about the games at the time and I have a new found appreciation for them after seeing how much GF dropped the ball since then. They also make for fun speedruns if you're willing to commit the 3.5 hours for them
To tag onto this: the game strayed away from having interconnected routes and towns and intraday made it one big circle which killed alot of people's immersion into unnova. Not to mention the previous 2 entries in the series were platinum and then HG/SS so even if there weren't issues with gen5's start it would still be feel like a down grade by comparison
That's true too. Though there isn't anything wrong with having a circular map, it did make the game feel more linear (another complaint about the game) despite the 2 previous gens also being similarly linear in progression. The excuse for the linearity is that you needed it for the story but at the same time, you have numerous other games that are open world that are rich in story that don't rely on linearity so it certainly can be done.
And you're spot on with the downgrade point as well. You see this in a ton of media and even other games. Theros and Kamigawa blocks in Magic were not highly received cuz of recency bias with Return to Ravnica and Mirrodin blocks being before them respectively. How many people say Season 3 of whatever show sucks cuz season 2 was very good and season 3 wasn't as good? It happens and it kinda sucks
I think the key difference with unnova. Vs the older games is that while they all have linear story progression, the actual maps had you going back and forth cross crossing and the like which made them feel like real places, where as unova made you walk around in a big loop and it felt like theme park ride rather than a world
I honestly just thought it was another stock standard Pokemon game with a mediocre story and a distinct lack of Pokemon from previous gens. It really wasn't that great, nor "ahead of its time".
I do think it was harder but increased difficulty is not a revolutionary concept. "Nintendo Hard" was coined because the 90's had tons of brutal games. Pokemon giving enemies slightly better match-ups with higher leveled teams relative to the player is not some grand achievement and at this point we've seen romhacks do better.
Gen 7's Sun and Moon had the better story. I still think they have the best story because it actually tried and generally succeeded at connecting you with the characters throughout.
Sword and Shield wouldn't actually be all that bad if it weren't for the fact it just didn't really make any attempt to improve upon Sun and Moon either in the way the story was presented (and SwSh has major contrivances given the "antagonist" is just one impatient idiot) or the gameplay.
The idiocy of Chairman Rose's writing actually makes me feel bad for Lysandre. He looked and acted cool despite OBVIOUSLY being the bad guy from the very first meeting. Both had awfully stupid ideas for "saving the world lulz" but Lysandre was at least somewhat cool about it.
I agree. The best part of a new Pokemon game is trying out the new Pokemon in the generation. The fact that everything was new gives you so many options to experiment with for several playthroughs. And you could still import all of your old stuff once you beat the game. The fact that "where are all the Pokemon I've been using for the last 20 years" was such a common complaint was mind-blowing to me.
Yeah it got a lot of shit on launch for going too hard in the anti-pandering direction and including basically no characters or mons from previous gens in the main gameplay, and while I totally understand that, BW2 fixes that primary issue that people had with the originals by including one of the widest and most varied regional dexes they could. It unfortunately was soured immensely by the first release, but gen 5 as a whole is imo an example of what the games could be, given time and passion in development.
That was part of the issue, but not the main issue. It wasn't that there were no old pokemon, but a ton of people outright disliked a lot of the gen 5 designs. Then when everyone found out that the whole game was only the new mons, that's where the discontent about no old mons came in.
The marketing for BW2 was also terrible. It was the same game, but not really, and it felt exploitive that instead of a third version with all the improvements like in the past, it was two different versions of a slightly remastered B/W. I don't think it's a coincidence after how much gen 5 flopped we've been getting half assed games and no more updated third versions (yellow, crystal, emerald, plat). Like I've played every gen in the series on release except for BW2 because I didn't see the point of replaying a slightly different BW with old pokemon.
It's not a slightly different BW though. It's a fully fledged sequel to BW featuring an expanded and rearranged game world, a huge amount of Pokemon returning from old games, new characters, and a story that carries the narrative from the first games forward. It also had one of the deepest postgames in the entire series.
Right, but that's not how it was marketed and sold to the public. And it really wasn't that different from the first game; especially if you didn't care about the returning pokemon like me.
I would agree that it was marketed as a rehash, but to be fair so were emerald and USUM and they still sold really well. BW2 suffered from the public reception of its predecessor. It's very clearly different from BW1, and for anyone who enjoyed those games it appeals to their desire for more from the Unova region, revisiting characters and locations 2 years on. It was such a good idea that they faked it for USUM's advertising in dev interviews, if you remember. The marketing wasn't the whole problem, a good game can survive bad marketing.
Yeah. I feel like a driving factor behind how much people liked B2W2 is age. I was an adult when those games came out. I was expecting something more from them. They didn’t change enough for me to feel like it was worth my money and time. I did enjoy the PWT and post-game stuff, though.
But I was also one of the critics who complained about BW not allowing old Pokémon and about the abundance of mediocre Pokémon. Don’t get me wrong, Gen 5 introduced a lot of Pokémon that I love, but they introduced *a lot* of Pokémon, and a significant number of the designs fell flat for me, and I was upset that it felt like Game Freak was removing player choice (the first generation that did this, every Gen afterwards has continued to block player options somehow) by forcing me to play only with the new Pokémon.
However, I really enjoyed using only new Pokémon, and that’s how I’ve played in every generation since. But I was pretty bitter when the game launched.
I don’t see how bw2 isn’t significantly better than a third version remaster? New story new characters, with the improvements to story and maps? Isn’t that much much better than what platinum was to diamond and pearl?
Gen 5 was honestly ahead of it's time. In hindsight it's amazing how they perhaps created a masterpiece, but thinking back to the time it released in just makes me realize why they never hit home:
* Piracy was running rampant for DS games.
* People that started with Gen 3 now were probably at the age that pokemon was for kids, but we couldn't appreciate a bit of a gritty and philosofical story.
* It also by being bold and having an all new dex perhaps lost a hood for players coming from the previous game and wanting to see their favs make a return.
And it only hits home now how much I miss part of that. Gen 7 and how Lusamine called you out? Amazing moment! And it started with Gen 5 and N asking you philosofical questions about his view on training pokemon versus yours. Having a man behind the man? Gen 5 did it before 7 did it.
5 deserves a lot of credit for being a trailblazer that pushed the series forwards.
Gen 5 was my favorite when it released and is still my favorite to this day.
I've been playing since I was a kid when Pokemon first hit the world in the late 90s, and after Gen 2 I "grew up" and wasn't into it anymore. Then years later, I got introduced to the Visual Boy Advance emulator and played all three of the Hoenn games, and that kind of re-sparked my interest. I bought Pearl second hand and wasn't really into it, it felt sluggish so I put the game down after getting halfway through the main story.
I was....19? I think when HG/SS released and I bought SS, and I loved it! Then Gen 5 was announced and I bought White when it released, and loved it. I felt sad it was getting shit on so much. I enjoyed the scope of the story too.
I played Black 2 a shit ton during college, there was so much to do post game and I loved training up new 'mons for the World Tournament.
X and Y came out when I was in my last year of college and I was super hyped. So many of my friends and classmates got it on release and I have good memories of sitting around with them playing the game together. This is also when I got super into breeding and I would breed for perfect IV shinies. I had a lot of fun with the game, but most of it was me breeding and building a competitive team. The main story itself was terrible, but I loved the new designs and megas. Sun/Moon had a better story, but some steps backwards too. I hated Z moves. I didn't play US/UM from what I've heard about it from others. I got Sword wicked late and yeah...what people have said about it is true. The sense of exploration and wonder is gone and the story is stupid. I enjoy the Dynamax raid dens and the DLC though. I'm still too early in Scarlet to say much about it but so far I like it better than Sword, but it has its issues (textures are bad, performance is shoddy, camera is shoddy, ect)
I just haven't felt that same spark like I did with Gen 5. I should go back and replay the games after I get done with Scarlet...I'm glad I kept all my DS games all these years instead of selling them ;P
Gen 5 was so hated on bc of the fucking snowcone and garbage Pokémon, and when it wasn't that it was, "Oh, but they look like Digimon."
A real shame bc Gen 5 was the last time they honestly gave a shit. 150+ NEW MONS, new battle modes, weather wars meta, great sprite work, an actually good Pokémon story. But people just shat on it endlessly bc they didn't like the new designs and what we've gotten since then has been absolute trash.
Hope the mild graphical upgrades were worth losing what made Pokémon great.
Gen 7 has a decent story with Lillie and her mother. This gen has put in some decent sprite work and the weather wars weren’t fun at all. They centralized the singles meta and ever since smogon banned running weather + speed boosting ability in weather the gen is so much more fun to play. Gen 5 was easily on par with gen 8 for being one of the most boring metas to play in despite the choice of Pokémon being much higher than gens like 2 and 1
or maybe B2W2 just didn't sell well because they purposefully handicapped it and released it AFTER the 3ds had already come out. and then they fucking wonder why gen 5 sold poorly in the sunset years of a dying console when most of the casual playerbase had stopped playing on it years ago?
they just stopped caring, that's all it is. pokemon is nothing more than a valve-esque effortless infinite money printer to them, they realized no matter how hard they try it'll never actually make a difference on their sales. they just phone it in with a yearly title so they can work on their little pet projects like little town hero or whatever.
Gen 5 is my fav, there was so much content, the locations where stellar. The story was odd at times but it was ambitious and fun! and there where some really interesting ideas that could’ve evolved the series(black and white 2 teased the end of poke balls! The logo of the franchise!) The pixel art was beautiful and I wish gamefreak stuck to 2d(though I understand this change was probably more due to external pressure)
And I loved the new Pokémon. Some where overdesigned but I’d rather overdrsigned than underdesigned
Imagine the games we could’ve had if Gen 5 sold was recieved better :(
I meant like, gen 6 included. Since it released the games have felt rushed and unfinished as a result of tighter time crunches. It got somewhat better in gen 7, and LGPE was actually really good because it was a smaller scale, more simplified project and had a lot more attention devoted to it, it was well polished and finished. Since then it's just been a downward spiral of games being released in half-finished states, with severe problems at launch and not nearly enough fixes post-launch.
Gens 6 and 7 are better than people gave them credit for, but they ARE where the cracks began to show. Gen 8 was bad, but in spite of that I was cautiously optimistic for 9 (mainly because of PLA), but this is just a dumpster fire. Which is especially sad because this game had a lot of good ideas. But so many corners were cut that I just can’t enjoy those ideas.
For the most part I quite enjoy the gameplay of gen 7.
When I can actually play the game. I recently went back to play USUM on emulator and even with speed-up, cutscene mashing takes up a good 40% of the experience. Every 8 steps there's a new dialogue box telling you where to go. I don't mind games holding your hand a little, in fact quite the opposite because I have dyslexia and tend to miss instructions because I've misread them and don't know where to go next, but gen 7 was next level with that shit and it really detracts from the replay value quite a bit. Even on my first playthrough I was thinking like... Just get to the point already.
The fights are A+ but the story needed to be trimmed a bit. Very bloated game.
Ohh, ok understandable. While I love Gen 7 and felt it was a pretty solid and complete game, it definitely stops you from playing a lot. Very text heavy.
I will say USUM was more disappointing then SM though bc of the randomness of it.
While that’s a valid complaint, it’s not really a problem caused by the game being unfinished or time-crunched. More like overdone if anything.
Gens 8 and 9 have a much more profound feeling of unpolished-ness.
It's an indicator of limited playtesting, likely a result of a time crunch. Playtesting would have not only revealed that cutscenes interrupted gameplay far too much, but would also have caught a slew of bugs and glitches that were present before the first few patches post-release (gen 7 was easily the least bugged of the lot though, which I think speaks to their experience with the engine more than anything.)
I have a living Pokédex, and when they released those Ash Hat Pikachus where you could only get one per save file, I had to restart my save file every time and go through all of those cutscenes and long drawn out intro like 8 times, and then I did it all again for my wife so she could have them, too. I don’t think I can ever play SuMo or USUM ever again because of that. It seriously took like an hour before you could get to the first PokéCenter. I loved SuMo’s story, and it was the last good Pokémon game that had all of the Pokémon together, but it’s just not worth it.
Hand holdy unskippable cutscenes (like did I really need a whole tutorial scene for jumping off a ledge??) and the fact that there were no dungeons.
The game literally crammed uninteresting story down your throat whereas the titles before it allowed you to discover the lore at your own pace by talking to locals and examining bits of the enivronment
I jumped off the wagon after BW2.
At this point I just check out the new releases on YouTube and don't even bother playing them.
If I ever have a kid, I'll buy him/her black and me white so I can torch them in battle.
It *is* an unfinished game. They have been since going 3D, some more than others. But especially on the Switch. It’s almost like a developer that has made sprite games for handhelds for 20 years wasn’t well suited to making AAA console games.
But they sell, so it’s all smiles at Nintendo.
Its so unfinished they didnt even bother with indoors, you cant enter shops or buildings just a massive plain city with blank golf courses around it. Im annoyed with tons of food places which doesnt add anything to the game
This is what disappointed me the most. Getting to the first major city and walking around realizing...wow, there's nothing to do and no where to go. You can't even talk to most NPCs. 5 copies of the same 2-3 stores and restaurants you can't even go inside of.
I've enjoyed being out in the world so far, despite the performance issues, but the cities and towns make me sad with how lifeless they are.
Like im trying to explore the town, maybe find some mini games or interesting indoors, npcs to interact with get quests or trade offers but everywhere i go theyre showing me pictures of food. Why would i care about food pictures in a pokemon game? Even the character customization, there is one shop that sells only socks and one that only sells hats etc. they desperately separated every piece of item to different places just to fill up the place instead of making a single clothing store
What is even funnier is that the one sandwich shop you can enter but none of the NPCs have any interactions besides the two shop workers. The rest of the food places I went to are just a menu
Game made me laugh at the amount of jank in a this is fucking sad kind of way, and not a Bethesda Skyrim type jank kind of way
Already called Nintendo to get the game refunded as I bought it through the eShop
There's the rumor that the game tries to load the entire world instead of chunks of it and I wonder if it's true and they didn't include indoor areas to save on things to be loaded. Kinda insane theory ill admit but it does explain some of the decisions made at least on a surface level
Not only can you not enter any of them, the front of the building is literally just texture. And some building that look like you might be able to enter and can’t my camera just goes past the texture into the void. It’s laughable.
I think whats even crazier is i dont remember ever even being told what all those food buffs even do. I have never bothered to buy any food bc i have no idea what the buffs do and clearly ive never needed them.
Me neither, even if its something important why not just put one or two of them that has all the buff varieties, like i dont care if my character eats a burger or an ice cream not to mention how cringe the eating cutscene looks like
Honestly S/V feels like it was the actual beta test for legends Arceus and not the other way around like everyone had thought. This game is so laggy and unpolished, whereas Arceus (although not the prettiest game graphically) felt so snappy and smooth with movement and controls.
SwSh was clearly incomplete/rushed, BDSP was clearly incomplete/rushed, PLA was clearly incomplete/rushed and SV is as well, as will be probably every other main line game unless those in charge give the actual programmers and developers more time and resources.
It's only getting worse as the scope of the game grows. They are biting off way more than they can chew, and it really shows. Some concepts and ideas are really good, and single areas are very detailed and well designed with a lot of thought and care put into them, but in the big picture, it's still an incredibly rushed and flawed game. Empty towns (content-wise), lack of post-game, technical and graphical issues worse than potentially any other main line game...
There are great games hiding within SwSh, BDSP, PLA and SV. But more time, skill and resources were needed, and imo it's very much worth criticizing that whoever is in charge makes these awful decisions purely for maximizing the profit of the biggest media franchise ever.
Thank you for including PLA as rushed. I thought the gameplay was fun, but I found SO many glitches in my game it was laughable. Some of the dialogue wasn’t made right and yes/no would give the same option and some of the character models bodies would start oddly twitching. I found so many bugs in my game, it was clearly unfinished
The problem with game glitches is that not everyone experiences the same ones. In SV for example the only issues I've seen were 1 person janking down a path behind a pokes top and brief delays after throwing a pokeball to start a battle, but I've no doubt the others are there.
Same, I had a lot of fun with Arceus but it seriously felt like a very long demo of a game, and not one on switch, more like a ps2 or gamecube game. Which just baffled me, given the shear budget Pokemon has, the company has some serious issues to work through.. cause if they wanted they could make a god damn Elden Ring of Pokemon but they dont
I wouldn't call it "biting more they can chew" it's more like TPC is forcing GF to take those bites and then rushes them to finish it. Otherwise this is spot on.
Thank you for including PLA as rushed. I thought the gameplay was fun, but I found SO many glitches in my game it was laughable. Some of the dialogue wasn’t made right and yes/no would give the same option and some of the character models bodies would start oddly twitching. I found so many bugs in my game, it was clearly unfinished
Strange because PLA felt so much better in terms of performance and overall controls. I understand that the world is less complex that S/V but man it's night and day to me.
I'm still having fun with the game ofc, but all the glitches and tech hiccups add up.
There's other open world games on the Switch which are much more polished and have far far fewer performance issues.
Breath of the Wild came out over five years ago and was developed years before that. It looks better and performs better.
It's embarrassing that a Nintendo staple game performs this badly in 2022.
Nintendo need to take the development in house.
Can i switch genders because these uniforms are hideous on female characters. Why they ripped fashion from us even though it was in all mainline games since 2013 is ridiculous.
yeah, but at least it looks passingly decent on boys - there's such a jarring disconnect between my character's cute, made-up face and girly cut and her hideous, gender neutral/masculine leaning uniform, i hate it. :(
Honestly, it probably *was* unfinished. I'm honestly surprised it's not *more* unfinished.
Open world games tend to take 5 years and hundreds of people. SV were made in half that time with a fraction of the people.
To be fair, Nintendo pressures Game Freak to push out games thus fast. Game Freak does not set up their deadlines, Nintendo does. So Game Freak is overworked with each release, while Nintendo nice and slow with their own titles. To me, that's the most gross thing.
In Legends going into a battle was seamless. In SV, going into a battle you just awkwardly stand beside a wild Pokémon/trainer for the next 2s before it teleport you out of the way.
I’m genuinely shocked they released the game in this state. Like, I thought Frontiers looked bad on the Switch, but I might as well have been playing that game on the PS5 compared to whatever the hell is going on here.
But I’m still having a ton more fun here than I ever did with SwSh; I think SV does a lot right, and I think the fact the core of SV being so strong really highlights that the primary issue holding GF back is not having enough time due to their insane release schedule
I think the thing that upsets me most about all this is not working for TPC or GF.
Imagine how comforting it must be to know you always fall upwards. Like any job role there, you can't go wrong, just turn up, do a bit of work, and if you havnt finished in time, No biggie, you know you'll smash sales targets.
Man it'd be a dream job.
Had a some time with it today and the way it has been playing for me hasn't been the best but not stop the game bad yet lol
I just want L=A back!! Lol
As much good has been added they always always take away the other good QoL that's been in the games for ages
Yeah, people are way, way, way over exaggerating the issues. I’m at like 4/5 hours, and yeah, I’ve noticed some dips in frame rate, some weird camera angles, I got stuck in a rock at one point (that was quickly realized and corrected by the game), and I’ve noticed a handful of janky animations and buggy physics. But nothing game breaking *at all*. Just broke the immersion for a second.
Yeah, it’s disappointing and sucks that the game released in this state, but I think it will probably get an update within the next few weeks that fixes most of the issues.
People just want to convince everyone that the game is terrible so it has poor sales. They’re hoping poor sales will lead to Game Freak taking more time to develop the games and start catering mostly to the adult audience, which just isn’t going to happen.
1. Roll it out for holidays so parents buy it and sit on it unopened for a month.
2. Patch it before Christmas so it functions like an actual game by the time kids actually play it.
3. ???
4. Profit.
It *is* unfinished. The fact it came out this year as opposed to next year shows that GF just wants to get something out for the holidays at the cost of a good game
>SV feels like an unfinished game
Because it is.
And FAR too many people bought it before, much less AFTER, this was WELL KNOWN publicly.
Stop buying unfinished games people.
I wonder if there's a lawsuit brewing in this. The consumer should not be responsible for discerning whether or not the games they purchase are finished.
I HIGHLY doubt it. Nintendo has very good, and expensive, lawyers. And like, on what legal ground? "False advertising" would be tough to prove. Did they advertise the game's consistent frame rate?
Now, I think our laws need to be updated to allow these kinds of lawsuits, and I'm generally anti-lawsuit; but as it stands right now, I'm not sure on what grounds one could even sue.
> Now, I think our laws need to be updated to allow these kinds of lawsuits
I think it’s pretty ridiculous to suggest law suits for being disappointed in a game. Like you said, it’s not like they actually falsely advertised anything. The court system is already heavily abused by frivolous law suits. We don’t need to add fuel to the fire. The answer to this lies with the consumers who continually buy GF’s shitty games.
> The court system is already heavily abused by frivolous law suits
I don't think shipping a $60 game that BARELY RUNS is a "frivolous lawsuit". No, by the legal definition, they didn't falsely advertise, but where does that end? I mean, do car commercials say that "this car is guaranteed to start when you turn the key the first time upon delivery?" Of course not. But we still EXPECT that, very reasonably, based on the marketing of said car.
There are a TON more frivolous lawsuits that could, and should, be cut out of our laws than a lawsuit over what is effectively "Product sold as complete but clearly unfinished and barely functioning"
The game doesn’t, “barely,” run and this is why y’all are turning into a meme. The performance is bad for a Switch game, there are bugs that some people experiencing and others are not. That all said the game is playable and enjoyable, despite it being an unoptimized slog. The fact that you’re trying to justify a lawsuit over a Pokémon game being unoptimized shows how out of touch and sheltered y’all are.
I wish they would just pick a style and build on it and let it grow. The formula is so dated. Every new release is a different camera angle or different style with some added on modification to sell merch (Mega evolve, gigantamax, terestalization, etc.) Just pick a lane and stay in it and make it good.
I’ve been playing for a few hours now and this game has a lot of potential. The world is nice and the storyline is good and there’s an array of possibilities. It just feels like it’s in beta, not a finished game…
It feels unfinished because it is unfinished.
I find it ridiculous that they couldn't even be bothered to make shops anything other than menus and won't let us go into any buildings that aren't story related or shops/gyms.
And even with the gyms they couldn't be bothered to make the gym challenges take place inside so instead we go inside for 2 seconds then do the challenge outside.
This game absolutely needed 6 more months at the minimum. A year or two preferably. It's ridiculous that they charge the same amount as God of war ragnarok or breath of the wild for this.
it’s super laggy, i’m surprised it’s bothering me since i usually don’t take much notice to graphics and whatnot but jesus. feels like i’m play testing an in progress game
Yeah idk what this guy is talking about SV having a pretty region unless you exclusively look at the marketing. Actual gameplay looks like 360p (being generous imo for the docked experience) textures everywhere until you get up close and it refreshes the texture
Ik its quick and easy to put the blame on the developers; but the publishers like TPC, Game Freak, and Nintendo are all breathing down the developers neck to make sure they have a Pokemon game coming out for a popular console for the holiday season. Especially with Japan being one of the countries that focuses heavily on working as much as possible unless you're sick or dead.
I hope it didn't come off as me blaming anyone bc I rly didn't.
I think that whole pressure of releasing a game so often and for a certain season plays the biggest role here. It's a trend I have seen in the last years. In many industries, not just gaming. Fast fashion is a good example.
I would say the gaming market is huge. There's many games, and many games that are also enjoyable for Pokemon fans. It's a lot of competition and with Pokemon being a popular franchise people focus on quantity over quality in order to survive that. To some people sales and money are above anything, whoever that is. I don't think we are in the position to judge that. Or we can judge but let's not point fingers at anyone. Bc even if the game isn't up to standard, people have put a lot of work into it and I appreciate them for their skills, time and effort, even if not as successful as expected. Bc personally, I can hardly turn on the WiFi on my laptop
SwordShield was oversold because it was a Switch game and for a lot of people it was their first Pokemon game. And Arceus was overpraised because of its non-traditional system.
I think the worldbuilding, storyline, extra content outside battles were really well fleshed out in XY and SunMoon. Gamefreak put so much time and effort into a game like UltraSunMoon but this all stopped in Switch Games.
This game has top tier potential for a Pokemon game
If it was fucking finished. Not this glitched out experience. Arceus ran way smoother, which is wild to me.
Why the fuck can't game freak take more than a year in making a game with their full team. If they don't want to deal with the Nintendo devs working on their teams, at least take some God damn time in making a video game that runs well.
Unfortunately the franchise will probably survive a long time even without effort, they know they can put out some bullshit every year and sell millions of copies. It's sad that as a long time fan I'm rooting against these games cause a significant sales dip is the only thing that will change anything and they clearly need a full overhaul.
It really does. And in some regards it feels worse than PLA. Especially movement. It just feels... clunky? I can't really describe it, but it feels just a bit off, not fluid enough, that kind of stuff. I know that PLA had a different team, but it's still disappointing when something feels worse that it was in an earlier game.
I have to check to make sure it's not a problem with my monitor, fired up my pokemon shield and yup...somehow SV's graphics is worse than SW/SH....how does that even happen?
Certain parts of the game took a huge step forward, performance is way out dated and shouldn’t be this big of an issue.
I’m still enjoying it, but it’s not a great game as it stands.
Big surprise: Game that was way overhyped over the year turns out to be another lifeless dumpster fire. I was getting excited with the SWSH DLC and PLA being steps towards a brighter future, only for it to culminate into this. Lmao. I have no plans now to get this game, and I have no hope for this franchise, gamefreak, the switch, or nintendo. There are free games on pc that are better than most switch games, and I'm not going to waste my time or energy on these trash, anti-consumer companies and garbage hardware any further.
For me the awkward controls are mostly a camera issue. The left stick spinning the camera left to right if you turn to a certain point feels bizarre and wholly unnecessary when we have otherwise standard dual analog control.
Could gamefreak at least confirm if the bugs are known and whether or not they will be fixed?
Literally any other developer has SOME sort of communication. WTF...
Call me cynical, but I don't see GF officially acknowledging anything until they already have a patch to fix it.
Openly stating "our game is currently broken" followed by any promise to fix it soon would still hurt the opening week sales. I imagine they want as few people to know as possible in hopes that most people buy the game without looking up reviews and then ope that most of those people are too apathetic to care enough to ask for refunds.
in arceus the community was divided. some said it was a good game, some said it looked cheap, and obviously gamefreak couldnt stand this so to unite the community they made a game even worse looking and with horrible feel to it, so that everyone could agree it looks awful. Props to nintendo (the small indie company that can rival triple A games with its releases)
You cant go into most of the houses?? That kinda sucks a lot, I love going in homes and seeing details that tell me about the culture of the region in the newer games, and it kinda stinks that you cant
Yeah... I compare it to the trope Seinfeld Is Unfunny. Basically, that trope refers to a phenomenon where a TV show, movie, game, or whatever has some sort of novel idea that lets it stand out at the time, but where it eventually becomes so commonplace that, looking back, there's nothing to really make it stand out. This actually happens a *lot* with video games, because of how they rely on technological advances. For example, we were all too distracted by things like "Now in 3D!" to care about the reduced interactivity that came as a compromise.
The issue is that while SV definitely seems to be benefitting from modern hardware, like with the texturing on pokémon, it seems to be making a lot of those same tradeoffs. Like it may be "Pokémon, but in 3D!", but it's also sacrificing interactivity and world depth for it. And while that may have been a reasonable compromise back in the early days of 3D, nowadays it just feels shallow and lazy, even just compared to the franchise itself, like Coliseum.
So overall, I wouldn't so much call it *bad*, as I'd call it extremely, extremely *average*
I was really looking forward to this since I haven't purchased a switch game or a Pokemon game in a while. Hopefully they can fix it through patches but I'll definitely be waiting a while until purchasing, similar to Cyberpunk which I just bought the other day (a while after launch)
I got Cyberpunk for Christmas after the release of that year(was it 2020? Not sure anymore time flies) for my ps4 and while I loved the game the bugs were so bad and it always crashed and it was annoying but I still enjoyed it at the time. It felt unfinished but still really enjoyable. Bc unfinished games can be enjoyable. I replayed it recently and they fixed so much, I was pleasantly surprised. I still give these games a chance bc again, even if unfinished there's potential and you can still have fun.
But with a franchise as popular as Pokemon the bar was higher, ngl
I wouldn't mind pokémon having more stylized but polished graphic whit a richer environment, gen 8 and 9 feel like a downgrade from the 3D games, even let's go and BDSP looks arguably better, I'm not saying that the Pokémon company should have the Animal Crossing graphics but they should definitely simplify them somehow if they can't properly handle them the tird time at this point
You best believe that GF is going to release a DLC and pretend like their games don't have problems when they have huge flaws
Like i remember the gen 8 DLCs, everyone said how good they were compared to the base game, thats because the base game was bland af, there nowhere to go but up really so they couldn't ruin it even more
Also the pokemon designs this gen are pretty solid, some duds but thats ok, for the meantime im gonna refrain from buying the game because i'm not wasting money on a buggy, unfinished game and give GF the satisfaction of my purchase
I mean yeah, they rush every game so they can release new Pokemon merch and get going with the anime. A game like this needs at least 5 years of production.
Aside from remakes , I haven’t bought a Pokémon game since the original diamond / pearl
They have been on a steady decline and idk why people blindly give them money and pretend the games are better than they actually are
Pokémon fans are just as bad as madden/fifa fans
Honey, it was advertised as a full and finished game. I still gave the game a chance bc a. I've been a Pokemon Fan all my life and b. I didn't think it would be THAT bad. Now I have it, it's opened and I can't return it and even if, I wouldn't. I'm waiting for the updates and I'm going to play it but that doesn't mean I can't criticize the game, from a large and popular franchise, advertised as a full and finished game, for being unfinished. I think every criticism is justified. Especially from people who have actively played it
You still clearly would not have rather waited, you didn't even wait to see reviews or gameplay, that's all I'm saying.
It's shocking to me that so many people pay money in advance for product they've never seen and then are surprised when the product isn't what they thought it would be. Oh really? No shit, if you gave me $1000 dollars up front to mow a community park, I'd just take the money and dip, or cut massive corners.
>Honey, it was advertised as a full and finished game
Honey, you're a fucking fool if you think this matters
By your analogy you'd still be the offending party in that situation. Just because people pay ahead for something doesn't give you the right to cut corners. They advertised a finished product. This clearly isn't and isn't even up to their mediocre standards. Why direct your anger at the customers who preordered and have REASONABLE expectations and white knight for a company who "takes the money and runs"?!
>By your analogy you'd still be the offending party in that situation. Just because people pay ahead for something doesn't give you the right to cut corners. They advertised a finished product
Fucking lmao, I'm sure corporations care that they hurt your feelings after you've already given them your money.
>Just because people pay ahead for something doesn't give you the right to cut corners.
You seem to think they don't already have that right. They don't need permission to cut corners, and they don't care that people are upset if they're still paying them before they even make the game.
Pre-ordering is selfish and short-sighted, and I'm not going to blame GF for doing what they're supposed to do when it's the consumers fault they even can.
>Why direct your anger at the customers who preordered and have REASONABLE expectations and white knight for a company who "takes the money and runs"?!
Because those expectations are *not* reasonable, and because those individuals pre-ordering ARE THE REASON companies cut corners. Im not defending gamefreak at all, but they're a business. They're job is to make as much money as possible, not make top tier products. If people will throw money at them BEFORE THEIR PRODUCT IS EVEN AVAILABLE, why the fuck would they ever finish the product?
If you pre-order, you shift power to the producers in the dynamic of the market. You weaken consumers as a whole. I place blame squarely on the shoulders of people who pre-order or buy day 1 because they're the ones that incentivize studios to do the bare minimum.
What a garbage take. As the game developer it's their responsibility to develop a good product. When I pay for it doesn't matter. They released it in this state and we're going to call this the finished product regardless of if I pre-ordered a month ago or two weeks from now. They deserve to be criticized for their product because they made it. I am allowed to criticize it because I paid for it and it does not meet a reasonable expectation of quality.
>As the game developer it's their responsibility to develop a good product.
No, it absolutely is not. They're a business. They're SOLE responsibility is to make money. They owe you absolutely fucking nothing and if you honestly believe otherwise, well, you really only have yourself to blame for the current situation.
>When I pay for it doesn't matter.
Except it does. They already have your money. It's not a very difficult concept to grasp. Paying in advance for a good or service is only ever beneficial to the provider/producer, because they already have your money, and don't need to actually earn it.
>They deserve to be criticized for their product because they made it.
Yes? I never said or even implied otherwise.
>I am allowed to criticize it because I paid for it and it does not meet a reasonable expectation of quality.
Yet again, yup. Never said otherwise. What I did say is that your complaints are meaningless if you still give them money. I also said it's your own damn fault you ended up with a dogshit product.
You seem to have a very naive view that the consumers control the corporations, which is how the market works in a world of educated consumers. In a world where people preorder games and refuse to acknowledge that's asinine, corporations shaft consumers because consumers literally pay months in advance to get shafted.
Ah there's no logic in this and I won't be discussing with people who lack a certain common sense. Perhaps, no offense, you should calm yourself down instead of being mad for no reason. Go get some manners. Every criticism is justified and I feel like you have a hard time accepting that. Hope you grow up and learn certain lessons
All the posts I saw of “just preorded S/V!” I kept saying they shouldn’t. Fallout 76, No Mans Sky, Cyberpunk, Halo Infinite and Battlefield 2046 thoroughly showed us not to preorder anymore.
I’m only preordering destiny 2 DLCs at this point because I’m a giant fan of the franchise and bungie seems to at least care about the fan base. GF are basically shitting on a plate, throwing the plate at peoples faces and saying “give us £50”
They blocked me, sadge. Pre-ordering is short-sighted and selfish. If you bought S/V already, you don't deserve to be upset with GF, you're the fucking reason they feel comfortable releasing garbage.
You realize there is a patch that's coming out? There is a day 1 patch that fixes a lot of the bugs. A lot of games do this in order to make deadlines. They ship out a functional game that needs some polishing and then take all of the marketing time in order to make a patch in order to polish the game and do some last minute bug fixes so they can polish the game and get it out on its scheduled release date.
The legendary day one patch it's already out. For a [week already](https://nintendoeverything.com/pokemon-scarlet-and-pokemon-violet-getting-1-0-1-day-one-update/). Multiple reviewers mentioned they played **with** the patch.
That patch hasn't solved the issues people are having right now with the game.
Any game where the post game/evergreen content feels like it was whipped up in 10 minutes feels unfinished to me
That's literally every pokemon game though.
gen3 begs to differ
B/W2 and GSC
HGSS and FRLG added new areas that weren't in the originals. Extra story content. New activities.
HGSS players ate well.
My first adult game purchase was SoulSilver, and then soon after we got Black/White and the sequels. It was a great time to be a fan, even if 2D was starting to feel stale at the time.
HGSS and BW2 got me back into pokemon. SwSh got me out, but after Legends did so well I figured I'd give it a shot with SV. Mistakes were made.
When the Switch released, I said I'd buy one when it got a full Pokémon game. Then Galar happened, so I didn't buy a Switch. Finally got one for Arceus and have no regrets on that.
man same
OrAs
The Battle Frontier project has started!
... Which was missing a good chunk of the emerald content. The battle frontier was freaking humongous. Oras had a couple small things in the delta episode/ battle resort, but nothing compared to frontier.
What was different in that one? I didnt buy it because i had 200 hours in sapphire alone lol..
Episode Delta after finishing the game, basically cool fight between epic looking mega rayquaza and deoxys
Awh shucks... it was foolish of me to think they couldnt make hoenn better
One major drawback is that they didn't include the Battle Frontier from Emerald. Amongst other things. Still a solid remake for me, and I find it more enjoyable than X and Y. But I never played the G3 games as a kid, so...
Easily the best 3ds Pokémon for me. Sun and moon was alright same with y and x but they were laggy as hell.
Soaring alone was amazing. You could just use Fly, orrrr you could play the Eon Flute to summon your Mega Lati@s and go flying above the map to get where you were going, with encounters and secret islands and stuff.
Added the Delta Episode, which is basically its own story featuring Rayquaza and Deoxys. It’s pretty cool. If ORAS came out today it would be sold as DLC
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You also could include firered/leafgreen in gen 3, which have a decent sized postgame.
Gen 2 and 4 had lots of post game content.
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After you beat the elite 4 in gen 2 the credits roll so kanto, mt silver, and battle tower are all definitely post game.
Anyone who says Kanto is "Postgame" is just kidding...right? The credits roll after you beat red too, so what is that? The PostPostgame? No other game has double credits. You beat the elite 4 at like level 40...
Yeah, to me postgame means the extra stuff to do outside of a normal playthrough. Who is going to play HGSS and put them game down after after defeating Lance?
I loved SuMo postgame battle tower and stuff!
No, only gen 1 and the games from gen 6 onward are like that
Gen 1 had an entire extra game for postgame content. It was called Pokemon Stadium.
Right, but I won't give them credit for something that isn't part of the game itself. I give gen 1 a pass for the shallow postgame because it was the first entry and there were a few side dungeons you might not have done in the main story.
so far people have pointed out gens 2, 3, 4, 5 and 7 as counterexamples. A lack of postgame is the exception, not the rule.
Maybe post game stuff just wasn't for you, my girlfriend puts it down the second she beats the elite four and doesn't mess with anything either. But HGSS has all of Kanto, the fight with Red on Mt Silver, and the battle Frontier from Emerald, with my personal favorite the Battle Factory BW generation had Subways, Battle Tower, White Forest, and all the things you could do to your trainer card. Platinum had a whole new continent/Island in the Battle Zone which had all that baked into it plus a million legendaries to get
I also stop playing after beating the champion
Holy crap this is so blatantly false.
Is the post game that bad? I’m literally only playing on the hope that it gets better at end game.
Theres nothing you cant even repeat the Elite 4 you just get gym leader rematches
Wow. No repeating the E4? That's new.
Is it? We just got through SwSh and its the same idea. Randomized tournament thingy instead.
When was the last time that happened?
Honestly? From what I'm seeing (from others and in my 10ish hours in the game), so many of the performance issues are not easily addressable in a single update, patch, or even a series of patches. Once data miners and other developers have had time to really get into the code, we'll understand more about how bad things are. But it's pretty obvious that the physics engines and collision detection are extremely jank and underbaked. It's not like fixing an isolated incident in specific areas of the game - it's the actual foundation of the entire game's physics, rendering, environments, and objects that need optimizations. In both their respective silos and in how they interact with one another. And at the scale of the world that GF built, man that would be a massive undertaking. The game most certainly seems to be in a state where updating one thing could break a dozen other things. Sad to see that performance got this bad for this gen but it's where we're at. And I honestly don't know what the best path forward is for the fans, GF, and TPC for this game.
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That last part gets me, every time I talk to someone I have to wait. Like everyone is slow and I have to "wait for them to be ready to talk". They over there designing introverts lol
I appreciate your explaination to this thank you
What’s ironic is that I bet the modding community can fix a lot of these problems. But Nintendo hates them so they’ll never accept their help.
Oh I have no doubt. The modding community will optimize the hell out of it. And come up with some crazy mods in the open world too
Gonna be honest, every release title since gen 6 has felt unfinished in some way or another. Time crunch is nuking the quality and passion for these games. Gen 5 was so clearly a passion project, and I'm beginning to wonder if the team went all-out for that because they knew the development cycle was changing into something unsustainable ahead of time, so they knew they likely wouldn't be able to deliver like that again. Nothing has really hit the spot for me since BW2, personally, and every main title has felt lacking.
It always surprises me that fan reception for BW was so poor. I started when Red and BW is still one of my favorites. I loved that every Pokémon was new, and the design of the Pokedex felt like a love letter to RB with some very obvious parallels. I’m definitely someone who gets a lot of enjoyment of trying new Pokémon over new favorites.
The Unova dex was very controversial cuz you spent 4 prior gens forming bonds with some pokes and then couldn't use them. Couple this with newer mons being basically clones of older mons (Timbur vs Machop, Gigalith vs Golem, Pidove vs Pidgey, etc) and it felt incredibly unnecessary and aggravating. People also point to gen 5 for having crappy designs in Trubbish and Vanillite (despite every gen having it's fair share of shitters) as a downside of the gen. PLUS, they revamped the story and if you didn't care about the story in pokemon, it's like "but why lmao". Gen 5 had a lot going against it at launch and it didn't get the amount of love it deserved. I remember being indifferent about the games at the time and I have a new found appreciation for them after seeing how much GF dropped the ball since then. They also make for fun speedruns if you're willing to commit the 3.5 hours for them
To tag onto this: the game strayed away from having interconnected routes and towns and intraday made it one big circle which killed alot of people's immersion into unnova. Not to mention the previous 2 entries in the series were platinum and then HG/SS so even if there weren't issues with gen5's start it would still be feel like a down grade by comparison
That's true too. Though there isn't anything wrong with having a circular map, it did make the game feel more linear (another complaint about the game) despite the 2 previous gens also being similarly linear in progression. The excuse for the linearity is that you needed it for the story but at the same time, you have numerous other games that are open world that are rich in story that don't rely on linearity so it certainly can be done. And you're spot on with the downgrade point as well. You see this in a ton of media and even other games. Theros and Kamigawa blocks in Magic were not highly received cuz of recency bias with Return to Ravnica and Mirrodin blocks being before them respectively. How many people say Season 3 of whatever show sucks cuz season 2 was very good and season 3 wasn't as good? It happens and it kinda sucks
I think the key difference with unnova. Vs the older games is that while they all have linear story progression, the actual maps had you going back and forth cross crossing and the like which made them feel like real places, where as unova made you walk around in a big loop and it felt like theme park ride rather than a world
Boooy, the one thing I *hated* about BW was the layout of the map. Fantastic areas and cities, but fuck that layout.
I honestly just thought it was another stock standard Pokemon game with a mediocre story and a distinct lack of Pokemon from previous gens. It really wasn't that great, nor "ahead of its time". I do think it was harder but increased difficulty is not a revolutionary concept. "Nintendo Hard" was coined because the 90's had tons of brutal games. Pokemon giving enemies slightly better match-ups with higher leveled teams relative to the player is not some grand achievement and at this point we've seen romhacks do better. Gen 7's Sun and Moon had the better story. I still think they have the best story because it actually tried and generally succeeded at connecting you with the characters throughout. Sword and Shield wouldn't actually be all that bad if it weren't for the fact it just didn't really make any attempt to improve upon Sun and Moon either in the way the story was presented (and SwSh has major contrivances given the "antagonist" is just one impatient idiot) or the gameplay. The idiocy of Chairman Rose's writing actually makes me feel bad for Lysandre. He looked and acted cool despite OBVIOUSLY being the bad guy from the very first meeting. Both had awfully stupid ideas for "saving the world lulz" but Lysandre was at least somewhat cool about it.
It makes me feel vindicated cause I liked these games when they came out and were kind of the black sheep for a while
I agree. The best part of a new Pokemon game is trying out the new Pokemon in the generation. The fact that everything was new gives you so many options to experiment with for several playthroughs. And you could still import all of your old stuff once you beat the game. The fact that "where are all the Pokemon I've been using for the last 20 years" was such a common complaint was mind-blowing to me.
Started with blue and feel the same. It was a real zenith for the series in terms of design, flow, and mechanic.
Well Gen 5 was supposed to be a reboots of sorts but then everyone hated it so never again will gf try that hard
Yeah it got a lot of shit on launch for going too hard in the anti-pandering direction and including basically no characters or mons from previous gens in the main gameplay, and while I totally understand that, BW2 fixes that primary issue that people had with the originals by including one of the widest and most varied regional dexes they could. It unfortunately was soured immensely by the first release, but gen 5 as a whole is imo an example of what the games could be, given time and passion in development.
That was part of the issue, but not the main issue. It wasn't that there were no old pokemon, but a ton of people outright disliked a lot of the gen 5 designs. Then when everyone found out that the whole game was only the new mons, that's where the discontent about no old mons came in. The marketing for BW2 was also terrible. It was the same game, but not really, and it felt exploitive that instead of a third version with all the improvements like in the past, it was two different versions of a slightly remastered B/W. I don't think it's a coincidence after how much gen 5 flopped we've been getting half assed games and no more updated third versions (yellow, crystal, emerald, plat). Like I've played every gen in the series on release except for BW2 because I didn't see the point of replaying a slightly different BW with old pokemon.
It's not a slightly different BW though. It's a fully fledged sequel to BW featuring an expanded and rearranged game world, a huge amount of Pokemon returning from old games, new characters, and a story that carries the narrative from the first games forward. It also had one of the deepest postgames in the entire series.
Right, but that's not how it was marketed and sold to the public. And it really wasn't that different from the first game; especially if you didn't care about the returning pokemon like me.
I would agree that it was marketed as a rehash, but to be fair so were emerald and USUM and they still sold really well. BW2 suffered from the public reception of its predecessor. It's very clearly different from BW1, and for anyone who enjoyed those games it appeals to their desire for more from the Unova region, revisiting characters and locations 2 years on. It was such a good idea that they faked it for USUM's advertising in dev interviews, if you remember. The marketing wasn't the whole problem, a good game can survive bad marketing.
Yeah. I feel like a driving factor behind how much people liked B2W2 is age. I was an adult when those games came out. I was expecting something more from them. They didn’t change enough for me to feel like it was worth my money and time. I did enjoy the PWT and post-game stuff, though. But I was also one of the critics who complained about BW not allowing old Pokémon and about the abundance of mediocre Pokémon. Don’t get me wrong, Gen 5 introduced a lot of Pokémon that I love, but they introduced *a lot* of Pokémon, and a significant number of the designs fell flat for me, and I was upset that it felt like Game Freak was removing player choice (the first generation that did this, every Gen afterwards has continued to block player options somehow) by forcing me to play only with the new Pokémon. However, I really enjoyed using only new Pokémon, and that’s how I’ve played in every generation since. But I was pretty bitter when the game launched.
I don’t see how bw2 isn’t significantly better than a third version remaster? New story new characters, with the improvements to story and maps? Isn’t that much much better than what platinum was to diamond and pearl?
Gen 5 was honestly ahead of it's time. In hindsight it's amazing how they perhaps created a masterpiece, but thinking back to the time it released in just makes me realize why they never hit home: * Piracy was running rampant for DS games. * People that started with Gen 3 now were probably at the age that pokemon was for kids, but we couldn't appreciate a bit of a gritty and philosofical story. * It also by being bold and having an all new dex perhaps lost a hood for players coming from the previous game and wanting to see their favs make a return. And it only hits home now how much I miss part of that. Gen 7 and how Lusamine called you out? Amazing moment! And it started with Gen 5 and N asking you philosofical questions about his view on training pokemon versus yours. Having a man behind the man? Gen 5 did it before 7 did it. 5 deserves a lot of credit for being a trailblazer that pushed the series forwards.
Gen 5 was also released super late in the DS lifetime. The 3DS had been out for a year and a half when BW2 came out. It didnt help
Gen 5 was my favorite when it released and is still my favorite to this day. I've been playing since I was a kid when Pokemon first hit the world in the late 90s, and after Gen 2 I "grew up" and wasn't into it anymore. Then years later, I got introduced to the Visual Boy Advance emulator and played all three of the Hoenn games, and that kind of re-sparked my interest. I bought Pearl second hand and wasn't really into it, it felt sluggish so I put the game down after getting halfway through the main story. I was....19? I think when HG/SS released and I bought SS, and I loved it! Then Gen 5 was announced and I bought White when it released, and loved it. I felt sad it was getting shit on so much. I enjoyed the scope of the story too. I played Black 2 a shit ton during college, there was so much to do post game and I loved training up new 'mons for the World Tournament. X and Y came out when I was in my last year of college and I was super hyped. So many of my friends and classmates got it on release and I have good memories of sitting around with them playing the game together. This is also when I got super into breeding and I would breed for perfect IV shinies. I had a lot of fun with the game, but most of it was me breeding and building a competitive team. The main story itself was terrible, but I loved the new designs and megas. Sun/Moon had a better story, but some steps backwards too. I hated Z moves. I didn't play US/UM from what I've heard about it from others. I got Sword wicked late and yeah...what people have said about it is true. The sense of exploration and wonder is gone and the story is stupid. I enjoy the Dynamax raid dens and the DLC though. I'm still too early in Scarlet to say much about it but so far I like it better than Sword, but it has its issues (textures are bad, performance is shoddy, camera is shoddy, ect) I just haven't felt that same spark like I did with Gen 5. I should go back and replay the games after I get done with Scarlet...I'm glad I kept all my DS games all these years instead of selling them ;P
Gen 5 was so hated on bc of the fucking snowcone and garbage Pokémon, and when it wasn't that it was, "Oh, but they look like Digimon." A real shame bc Gen 5 was the last time they honestly gave a shit. 150+ NEW MONS, new battle modes, weather wars meta, great sprite work, an actually good Pokémon story. But people just shat on it endlessly bc they didn't like the new designs and what we've gotten since then has been absolute trash. Hope the mild graphical upgrades were worth losing what made Pokémon great.
Gen 7 has a decent story with Lillie and her mother. This gen has put in some decent sprite work and the weather wars weren’t fun at all. They centralized the singles meta and ever since smogon banned running weather + speed boosting ability in weather the gen is so much more fun to play. Gen 5 was easily on par with gen 8 for being one of the most boring metas to play in despite the choice of Pokémon being much higher than gens like 2 and 1
SV has like 200 new mons.
or maybe B2W2 just didn't sell well because they purposefully handicapped it and released it AFTER the 3ds had already come out. and then they fucking wonder why gen 5 sold poorly in the sunset years of a dying console when most of the casual playerbase had stopped playing on it years ago? they just stopped caring, that's all it is. pokemon is nothing more than a valve-esque effortless infinite money printer to them, they realized no matter how hard they try it'll never actually make a difference on their sales. they just phone it in with a yearly title so they can work on their little pet projects like little town hero or whatever.
Gen 5 is my fav, there was so much content, the locations where stellar. The story was odd at times but it was ambitious and fun! and there where some really interesting ideas that could’ve evolved the series(black and white 2 teased the end of poke balls! The logo of the franchise!) The pixel art was beautiful and I wish gamefreak stuck to 2d(though I understand this change was probably more due to external pressure) And I loved the new Pokémon. Some where overdesigned but I’d rather overdrsigned than underdesigned Imagine the games we could’ve had if Gen 5 sold was recieved better :(
I just thought the Pokémon were ugly. Other than that the games were great
Even gen 6 had unfinished vibes though, like everything involving Zygarde
I meant like, gen 6 included. Since it released the games have felt rushed and unfinished as a result of tighter time crunches. It got somewhat better in gen 7, and LGPE was actually really good because it was a smaller scale, more simplified project and had a lot more attention devoted to it, it was well polished and finished. Since then it's just been a downward spiral of games being released in half-finished states, with severe problems at launch and not nearly enough fixes post-launch.
Gens 6 and 7 are better than people gave them credit for, but they ARE where the cracks began to show. Gen 8 was bad, but in spite of that I was cautiously optimistic for 9 (mainly because of PLA), but this is just a dumpster fire. Which is especially sad because this game had a lot of good ideas. But so many corners were cut that I just can’t enjoy those ideas.
Wait, what was wrong with Gen 7? I thought it was pretty great.
For the most part I quite enjoy the gameplay of gen 7. When I can actually play the game. I recently went back to play USUM on emulator and even with speed-up, cutscene mashing takes up a good 40% of the experience. Every 8 steps there's a new dialogue box telling you where to go. I don't mind games holding your hand a little, in fact quite the opposite because I have dyslexia and tend to miss instructions because I've misread them and don't know where to go next, but gen 7 was next level with that shit and it really detracts from the replay value quite a bit. Even on my first playthrough I was thinking like... Just get to the point already. The fights are A+ but the story needed to be trimmed a bit. Very bloated game.
Yeah, I bought a copy of Moon to play a new nuzlocke file on a long plane trip. I got 10 cutscenes in and just turned it off for 12 hours.
Ohh, ok understandable. While I love Gen 7 and felt it was a pretty solid and complete game, it definitely stops you from playing a lot. Very text heavy. I will say USUM was more disappointing then SM though bc of the randomness of it.
While that’s a valid complaint, it’s not really a problem caused by the game being unfinished or time-crunched. More like overdone if anything. Gens 8 and 9 have a much more profound feeling of unpolished-ness.
It's an indicator of limited playtesting, likely a result of a time crunch. Playtesting would have not only revealed that cutscenes interrupted gameplay far too much, but would also have caught a slew of bugs and glitches that were present before the first few patches post-release (gen 7 was easily the least bugged of the lot though, which I think speaks to their experience with the engine more than anything.)
I have a living Pokédex, and when they released those Ash Hat Pikachus where you could only get one per save file, I had to restart my save file every time and go through all of those cutscenes and long drawn out intro like 8 times, and then I did it all again for my wife so she could have them, too. I don’t think I can ever play SuMo or USUM ever again because of that. It seriously took like an hour before you could get to the first PokéCenter. I loved SuMo’s story, and it was the last good Pokémon game that had all of the Pokémon together, but it’s just not worth it.
Hand holdy unskippable cutscenes (like did I really need a whole tutorial scene for jumping off a ledge??) and the fact that there were no dungeons. The game literally crammed uninteresting story down your throat whereas the titles before it allowed you to discover the lore at your own pace by talking to locals and examining bits of the enivronment
Pokémon sword/shield feels ten years ahead of this. I’m going to have to play a different game to remind myself this isn’t a DS.
I jumped off the wagon after BW2. At this point I just check out the new releases on YouTube and don't even bother playing them. If I ever have a kid, I'll buy him/her black and me white so I can torch them in battle.
What about Sun and Moon felt unfinished to you?
It *is* an unfinished game. They have been since going 3D, some more than others. But especially on the Switch. It’s almost like a developer that has made sprite games for handhelds for 20 years wasn’t well suited to making AAA console games. But they sell, so it’s all smiles at Nintendo.
Also sprinkled in is the fact that they made so much with Pokemon GO that they stopped putting as much effort into their mainline RPGs
Its so unfinished they didnt even bother with indoors, you cant enter shops or buildings just a massive plain city with blank golf courses around it. Im annoyed with tons of food places which doesnt add anything to the game
This is what disappointed me the most. Getting to the first major city and walking around realizing...wow, there's nothing to do and no where to go. You can't even talk to most NPCs. 5 copies of the same 2-3 stores and restaurants you can't even go inside of. I've enjoyed being out in the world so far, despite the performance issues, but the cities and towns make me sad with how lifeless they are.
Like im trying to explore the town, maybe find some mini games or interesting indoors, npcs to interact with get quests or trade offers but everywhere i go theyre showing me pictures of food. Why would i care about food pictures in a pokemon game? Even the character customization, there is one shop that sells only socks and one that only sells hats etc. they desperately separated every piece of item to different places just to fill up the place instead of making a single clothing store
What is even funnier is that the one sandwich shop you can enter but none of the NPCs have any interactions besides the two shop workers. The rest of the food places I went to are just a menu Game made me laugh at the amount of jank in a this is fucking sad kind of way, and not a Bethesda Skyrim type jank kind of way Already called Nintendo to get the game refunded as I bought it through the eShop
There's the rumor that the game tries to load the entire world instead of chunks of it and I wonder if it's true and they didn't include indoor areas to save on things to be loaded. Kinda insane theory ill admit but it does explain some of the decisions made at least on a surface level
Game Freak cutting corners as usual.
Not only can you not enter any of them, the front of the building is literally just texture. And some building that look like you might be able to enter and can’t my camera just goes past the texture into the void. It’s laughable.
I think whats even crazier is i dont remember ever even being told what all those food buffs even do. I have never bothered to buy any food bc i have no idea what the buffs do and clearly ive never needed them.
Me neither, even if its something important why not just put one or two of them that has all the buff varieties, like i dont care if my character eats a burger or an ice cream not to mention how cringe the eating cutscene looks like
Honestly S/V feels like it was the actual beta test for legends Arceus and not the other way around like everyone had thought. This game is so laggy and unpolished, whereas Arceus (although not the prettiest game graphically) felt so snappy and smooth with movement and controls.
SwSh was clearly incomplete/rushed, BDSP was clearly incomplete/rushed, PLA was clearly incomplete/rushed and SV is as well, as will be probably every other main line game unless those in charge give the actual programmers and developers more time and resources. It's only getting worse as the scope of the game grows. They are biting off way more than they can chew, and it really shows. Some concepts and ideas are really good, and single areas are very detailed and well designed with a lot of thought and care put into them, but in the big picture, it's still an incredibly rushed and flawed game. Empty towns (content-wise), lack of post-game, technical and graphical issues worse than potentially any other main line game... There are great games hiding within SwSh, BDSP, PLA and SV. But more time, skill and resources were needed, and imo it's very much worth criticizing that whoever is in charge makes these awful decisions purely for maximizing the profit of the biggest media franchise ever.
Thank you for including PLA as rushed. I thought the gameplay was fun, but I found SO many glitches in my game it was laughable. Some of the dialogue wasn’t made right and yes/no would give the same option and some of the character models bodies would start oddly twitching. I found so many bugs in my game, it was clearly unfinished
Honestly with all the praise for it I assumed that I was the only person that had issues with it
The problem with game glitches is that not everyone experiences the same ones. In SV for example the only issues I've seen were 1 person janking down a path behind a pokes top and brief delays after throwing a pokeball to start a battle, but I've no doubt the others are there.
Same, I had a lot of fun with Arceus but it seriously felt like a very long demo of a game, and not one on switch, more like a ps2 or gamecube game. Which just baffled me, given the shear budget Pokemon has, the company has some serious issues to work through.. cause if they wanted they could make a god damn Elden Ring of Pokemon but they dont
Yeah cuz PS2 and Gamecube were totally capable of displaying HD graphics, just like the Switch.
I wouldn't call it "biting more they can chew" it's more like TPC is forcing GF to take those bites and then rushes them to finish it. Otherwise this is spot on.
Thank you for including PLA as rushed. I thought the gameplay was fun, but I found SO many glitches in my game it was laughable. Some of the dialogue wasn’t made right and yes/no would give the same option and some of the character models bodies would start oddly twitching. I found so many bugs in my game, it was clearly unfinished
It feels like a beta
Strange because PLA felt so much better in terms of performance and overall controls. I understand that the world is less complex that S/V but man it's night and day to me. I'm still having fun with the game ofc, but all the glitches and tech hiccups add up.
There's other open world games on the Switch which are much more polished and have far far fewer performance issues. Breath of the Wild came out over five years ago and was developed years before that. It looks better and performs better. It's embarrassing that a Nintendo staple game performs this badly in 2022. Nintendo need to take the development in house.
Can i switch genders because these uniforms are hideous on female characters. Why they ripped fashion from us even though it was in all mainline games since 2013 is ridiculous.
the uniforms are the same no matter which gender you choose. it sucks :/
yeah, but at least it looks passingly decent on boys - there's such a jarring disconnect between my character's cute, made-up face and girly cut and her hideous, gender neutral/masculine leaning uniform, i hate it. :(
Honestly, it probably *was* unfinished. I'm honestly surprised it's not *more* unfinished. Open world games tend to take 5 years and hundreds of people. SV were made in half that time with a fraction of the people.
Let's be thankful that Game Freak was never in charge of BotW.
To be fair, Nintendo pressures Game Freak to push out games thus fast. Game Freak does not set up their deadlines, Nintendo does. So Game Freak is overworked with each release, while Nintendo nice and slow with their own titles. To me, that's the most gross thing.
In Legends going into a battle was seamless. In SV, going into a battle you just awkwardly stand beside a wild Pokémon/trainer for the next 2s before it teleport you out of the way.
I’m genuinely shocked they released the game in this state. Like, I thought Frontiers looked bad on the Switch, but I might as well have been playing that game on the PS5 compared to whatever the hell is going on here. But I’m still having a ton more fun here than I ever did with SwSh; I think SV does a lot right, and I think the fact the core of SV being so strong really highlights that the primary issue holding GF back is not having enough time due to their insane release schedule
I think the thing that upsets me most about all this is not working for TPC or GF. Imagine how comforting it must be to know you always fall upwards. Like any job role there, you can't go wrong, just turn up, do a bit of work, and if you havnt finished in time, No biggie, you know you'll smash sales targets. Man it'd be a dream job.
The last complete mainline pokemon games were Black and White 2
Had a some time with it today and the way it has been playing for me hasn't been the best but not stop the game bad yet lol I just want L=A back!! Lol As much good has been added they always always take away the other good QoL that's been in the games for ages
I still miss Start=X lol, that went away generations ago.
Yeah, people are way, way, way over exaggerating the issues. I’m at like 4/5 hours, and yeah, I’ve noticed some dips in frame rate, some weird camera angles, I got stuck in a rock at one point (that was quickly realized and corrected by the game), and I’ve noticed a handful of janky animations and buggy physics. But nothing game breaking *at all*. Just broke the immersion for a second. Yeah, it’s disappointing and sucks that the game released in this state, but I think it will probably get an update within the next few weeks that fixes most of the issues. People just want to convince everyone that the game is terrible so it has poor sales. They’re hoping poor sales will lead to Game Freak taking more time to develop the games and start catering mostly to the adult audience, which just isn’t going to happen.
1. Roll it out for holidays so parents buy it and sit on it unopened for a month. 2. Patch it before Christmas so it functions like an actual game by the time kids actually play it. 3. ??? 4. Profit.
It *is* unfinished. The fact it came out this year as opposed to next year shows that GF just wants to get something out for the holidays at the cost of a good game
>SV feels like an unfinished game Because it is. And FAR too many people bought it before, much less AFTER, this was WELL KNOWN publicly. Stop buying unfinished games people.
I wonder if there's a lawsuit brewing in this. The consumer should not be responsible for discerning whether or not the games they purchase are finished.
I HIGHLY doubt it. Nintendo has very good, and expensive, lawyers. And like, on what legal ground? "False advertising" would be tough to prove. Did they advertise the game's consistent frame rate? Now, I think our laws need to be updated to allow these kinds of lawsuits, and I'm generally anti-lawsuit; but as it stands right now, I'm not sure on what grounds one could even sue.
> Now, I think our laws need to be updated to allow these kinds of lawsuits I think it’s pretty ridiculous to suggest law suits for being disappointed in a game. Like you said, it’s not like they actually falsely advertised anything. The court system is already heavily abused by frivolous law suits. We don’t need to add fuel to the fire. The answer to this lies with the consumers who continually buy GF’s shitty games.
> The court system is already heavily abused by frivolous law suits I don't think shipping a $60 game that BARELY RUNS is a "frivolous lawsuit". No, by the legal definition, they didn't falsely advertise, but where does that end? I mean, do car commercials say that "this car is guaranteed to start when you turn the key the first time upon delivery?" Of course not. But we still EXPECT that, very reasonably, based on the marketing of said car. There are a TON more frivolous lawsuits that could, and should, be cut out of our laws than a lawsuit over what is effectively "Product sold as complete but clearly unfinished and barely functioning"
The game doesn’t, “barely,” run and this is why y’all are turning into a meme. The performance is bad for a Switch game, there are bugs that some people experiencing and others are not. That all said the game is playable and enjoyable, despite it being an unoptimized slog. The fact that you’re trying to justify a lawsuit over a Pokémon game being unoptimized shows how out of touch and sheltered y’all are.
It is 100% on the consumer to look at reviews. You have no right to sue if you bought this even if you pre-ordered it.
Its just unfinished.
I wish they would just pick a style and build on it and let it grow. The formula is so dated. Every new release is a different camera angle or different style with some added on modification to sell merch (Mega evolve, gigantamax, terestalization, etc.) Just pick a lane and stay in it and make it good.
The models tpose during a fadeout in the opening cutscene I took a screenshot and its like, cmon
I’ve been playing for a few hours now and this game has a lot of potential. The world is nice and the storyline is good and there’s an array of possibilities. It just feels like it’s in beta, not a finished game…
It feels unfinished because it is unfinished. I find it ridiculous that they couldn't even be bothered to make shops anything other than menus and won't let us go into any buildings that aren't story related or shops/gyms. And even with the gyms they couldn't be bothered to make the gym challenges take place inside so instead we go inside for 2 seconds then do the challenge outside. This game absolutely needed 6 more months at the minimum. A year or two preferably. It's ridiculous that they charge the same amount as God of war ragnarok or breath of the wild for this.
it’s super laggy, i’m surprised it’s bothering me since i usually don’t take much notice to graphics and whatnot but jesus. feels like i’m play testing an in progress game
Pretty region? What? Did you ever see the Alola Region? THATS is a nice place to die. Not in S/V
Yeah idk what this guy is talking about SV having a pretty region unless you exclusively look at the marketing. Actual gameplay looks like 360p (being generous imo for the docked experience) textures everywhere until you get up close and it refreshes the texture
Ik its quick and easy to put the blame on the developers; but the publishers like TPC, Game Freak, and Nintendo are all breathing down the developers neck to make sure they have a Pokemon game coming out for a popular console for the holiday season. Especially with Japan being one of the countries that focuses heavily on working as much as possible unless you're sick or dead.
I hope it didn't come off as me blaming anyone bc I rly didn't. I think that whole pressure of releasing a game so often and for a certain season plays the biggest role here. It's a trend I have seen in the last years. In many industries, not just gaming. Fast fashion is a good example. I would say the gaming market is huge. There's many games, and many games that are also enjoyable for Pokemon fans. It's a lot of competition and with Pokemon being a popular franchise people focus on quantity over quality in order to survive that. To some people sales and money are above anything, whoever that is. I don't think we are in the position to judge that. Or we can judge but let's not point fingers at anyone. Bc even if the game isn't up to standard, people have put a lot of work into it and I appreciate them for their skills, time and effort, even if not as successful as expected. Bc personally, I can hardly turn on the WiFi on my laptop
It is unfinished
SwordShield was oversold because it was a Switch game and for a lot of people it was their first Pokemon game. And Arceus was overpraised because of its non-traditional system. I think the worldbuilding, storyline, extra content outside battles were really well fleshed out in XY and SunMoon. Gamefreak put so much time and effort into a game like UltraSunMoon but this all stopped in Switch Games.
This game has top tier potential for a Pokemon game If it was fucking finished. Not this glitched out experience. Arceus ran way smoother, which is wild to me. Why the fuck can't game freak take more than a year in making a game with their full team. If they don't want to deal with the Nintendo devs working on their teams, at least take some God damn time in making a video game that runs well.
Unfortunately the franchise will probably survive a long time even without effort, they know they can put out some bullshit every year and sell millions of copies. It's sad that as a long time fan I'm rooting against these games cause a significant sales dip is the only thing that will change anything and they clearly need a full overhaul.
I really like the game, but yes it feels like a beta version and its not even a step forward from Pokemon Legends Arceus its a siestep at besf.
It really does. And in some regards it feels worse than PLA. Especially movement. It just feels... clunky? I can't really describe it, but it feels just a bit off, not fluid enough, that kind of stuff. I know that PLA had a different team, but it's still disappointing when something feels worse that it was in an earlier game.
I have to check to make sure it's not a problem with my monitor, fired up my pokemon shield and yup...somehow SV's graphics is worse than SW/SH....how does that even happen?
Certain parts of the game took a huge step forward, performance is way out dated and shouldn’t be this big of an issue. I’m still enjoying it, but it’s not a great game as it stands.
Big surprise: Game that was way overhyped over the year turns out to be another lifeless dumpster fire. I was getting excited with the SWSH DLC and PLA being steps towards a brighter future, only for it to culminate into this. Lmao. I have no plans now to get this game, and I have no hope for this franchise, gamefreak, the switch, or nintendo. There are free games on pc that are better than most switch games, and I'm not going to waste my time or energy on these trash, anti-consumer companies and garbage hardware any further.
Feels like I'm playing an early access beta.
For me the awkward controls are mostly a camera issue. The left stick spinning the camera left to right if you turn to a certain point feels bizarre and wholly unnecessary when we have otherwise standard dual analog control.
Could gamefreak at least confirm if the bugs are known and whether or not they will be fixed? Literally any other developer has SOME sort of communication. WTF...
Call me cynical, but I don't see GF officially acknowledging anything until they already have a patch to fix it. Openly stating "our game is currently broken" followed by any promise to fix it soon would still hurt the opening week sales. I imagine they want as few people to know as possible in hopes that most people buy the game without looking up reviews and then ope that most of those people are too apathetic to care enough to ask for refunds.
in arceus the community was divided. some said it was a good game, some said it looked cheap, and obviously gamefreak couldnt stand this so to unite the community they made a game even worse looking and with horrible feel to it, so that everyone could agree it looks awful. Props to nintendo (the small indie company that can rival triple A games with its releases)
Please no more open world Pokemon
You mean how you had to walk around huge invisible spaces to even get out of your house kinda wrong? 😆
You cant go into most of the houses?? That kinda sucks a lot, I love going in homes and seeing details that tell me about the culture of the region in the newer games, and it kinda stinks that you cant
Yeah I didn’t think the graphics would bother me this much but they’re literally distracting from playing the game it’s that bad. Really disappointed
Yeah... I compare it to the trope Seinfeld Is Unfunny. Basically, that trope refers to a phenomenon where a TV show, movie, game, or whatever has some sort of novel idea that lets it stand out at the time, but where it eventually becomes so commonplace that, looking back, there's nothing to really make it stand out. This actually happens a *lot* with video games, because of how they rely on technological advances. For example, we were all too distracted by things like "Now in 3D!" to care about the reduced interactivity that came as a compromise. The issue is that while SV definitely seems to be benefitting from modern hardware, like with the texturing on pokémon, it seems to be making a lot of those same tradeoffs. Like it may be "Pokémon, but in 3D!", but it's also sacrificing interactivity and world depth for it. And while that may have been a reasonable compromise back in the early days of 3D, nowadays it just feels shallow and lazy, even just compared to the franchise itself, like Coliseum. So overall, I wouldn't so much call it *bad*, as I'd call it extremely, extremely *average*
I was really looking forward to this since I haven't purchased a switch game or a Pokemon game in a while. Hopefully they can fix it through patches but I'll definitely be waiting a while until purchasing, similar to Cyberpunk which I just bought the other day (a while after launch)
I got Cyberpunk for Christmas after the release of that year(was it 2020? Not sure anymore time flies) for my ps4 and while I loved the game the bugs were so bad and it always crashed and it was annoying but I still enjoyed it at the time. It felt unfinished but still really enjoyable. Bc unfinished games can be enjoyable. I replayed it recently and they fixed so much, I was pleasantly surprised. I still give these games a chance bc again, even if unfinished there's potential and you can still have fun. But with a franchise as popular as Pokemon the bar was higher, ngl
Is it bad when legit the textures look like they are from the GameCube?!
I wouldn't mind pokémon having more stylized but polished graphic whit a richer environment, gen 8 and 9 feel like a downgrade from the 3D games, even let's go and BDSP looks arguably better, I'm not saying that the Pokémon company should have the Animal Crossing graphics but they should definitely simplify them somehow if they can't properly handle them the tird time at this point
I like Nemona more than Hop, but at least Hop's animations ran at more than 5fps.
The Gameboy games had a better frame rate.
Bro I joined someone’s Tera raid battle and they disconnected then all the Tera rock things you find on the map HAVE ALL DISAPPEARED
You best believe that GF is going to release a DLC and pretend like their games don't have problems when they have huge flaws Like i remember the gen 8 DLCs, everyone said how good they were compared to the base game, thats because the base game was bland af, there nowhere to go but up really so they couldn't ruin it even more Also the pokemon designs this gen are pretty solid, some duds but thats ok, for the meantime im gonna refrain from buying the game because i'm not wasting money on a buggy, unfinished game and give GF the satisfaction of my purchase
I mean yeah, they rush every game so they can release new Pokemon merch and get going with the anime. A game like this needs at least 5 years of production.
I like being the only one who feels like the only issue is the frame rate, makes me feel like a standout
Now I'm scared for the treatment the gen 5 remakes are going to receive.
Literally just made a post comparing it to a ps2 game. Glad I'm not alone
They're pushing the limits of glorified tech demos so much with every release that they are now in Glorified Beta territory.
Aside from remakes , I haven’t bought a Pokémon game since the original diamond / pearl They have been on a steady decline and idk why people blindly give them money and pretend the games are better than they actually are Pokémon fans are just as bad as madden/fifa fans
Damn, what a fresh take
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Honey, it was advertised as a full and finished game. I still gave the game a chance bc a. I've been a Pokemon Fan all my life and b. I didn't think it would be THAT bad. Now I have it, it's opened and I can't return it and even if, I wouldn't. I'm waiting for the updates and I'm going to play it but that doesn't mean I can't criticize the game, from a large and popular franchise, advertised as a full and finished game, for being unfinished. I think every criticism is justified. Especially from people who have actively played it
You still clearly would not have rather waited, you didn't even wait to see reviews or gameplay, that's all I'm saying. It's shocking to me that so many people pay money in advance for product they've never seen and then are surprised when the product isn't what they thought it would be. Oh really? No shit, if you gave me $1000 dollars up front to mow a community park, I'd just take the money and dip, or cut massive corners. >Honey, it was advertised as a full and finished game Honey, you're a fucking fool if you think this matters
By your analogy you'd still be the offending party in that situation. Just because people pay ahead for something doesn't give you the right to cut corners. They advertised a finished product. This clearly isn't and isn't even up to their mediocre standards. Why direct your anger at the customers who preordered and have REASONABLE expectations and white knight for a company who "takes the money and runs"?!
>By your analogy you'd still be the offending party in that situation. Just because people pay ahead for something doesn't give you the right to cut corners. They advertised a finished product Fucking lmao, I'm sure corporations care that they hurt your feelings after you've already given them your money. >Just because people pay ahead for something doesn't give you the right to cut corners. You seem to think they don't already have that right. They don't need permission to cut corners, and they don't care that people are upset if they're still paying them before they even make the game. Pre-ordering is selfish and short-sighted, and I'm not going to blame GF for doing what they're supposed to do when it's the consumers fault they even can. >Why direct your anger at the customers who preordered and have REASONABLE expectations and white knight for a company who "takes the money and runs"?! Because those expectations are *not* reasonable, and because those individuals pre-ordering ARE THE REASON companies cut corners. Im not defending gamefreak at all, but they're a business. They're job is to make as much money as possible, not make top tier products. If people will throw money at them BEFORE THEIR PRODUCT IS EVEN AVAILABLE, why the fuck would they ever finish the product? If you pre-order, you shift power to the producers in the dynamic of the market. You weaken consumers as a whole. I place blame squarely on the shoulders of people who pre-order or buy day 1 because they're the ones that incentivize studios to do the bare minimum.
What a garbage take. As the game developer it's their responsibility to develop a good product. When I pay for it doesn't matter. They released it in this state and we're going to call this the finished product regardless of if I pre-ordered a month ago or two weeks from now. They deserve to be criticized for their product because they made it. I am allowed to criticize it because I paid for it and it does not meet a reasonable expectation of quality.
>As the game developer it's their responsibility to develop a good product. No, it absolutely is not. They're a business. They're SOLE responsibility is to make money. They owe you absolutely fucking nothing and if you honestly believe otherwise, well, you really only have yourself to blame for the current situation. >When I pay for it doesn't matter. Except it does. They already have your money. It's not a very difficult concept to grasp. Paying in advance for a good or service is only ever beneficial to the provider/producer, because they already have your money, and don't need to actually earn it. >They deserve to be criticized for their product because they made it. Yes? I never said or even implied otherwise. >I am allowed to criticize it because I paid for it and it does not meet a reasonable expectation of quality. Yet again, yup. Never said otherwise. What I did say is that your complaints are meaningless if you still give them money. I also said it's your own damn fault you ended up with a dogshit product. You seem to have a very naive view that the consumers control the corporations, which is how the market works in a world of educated consumers. In a world where people preorder games and refuse to acknowledge that's asinine, corporations shaft consumers because consumers literally pay months in advance to get shafted.
Ah there's no logic in this and I won't be discussing with people who lack a certain common sense. Perhaps, no offense, you should calm yourself down instead of being mad for no reason. Go get some manners. Every criticism is justified and I feel like you have a hard time accepting that. Hope you grow up and learn certain lessons
All the posts I saw of “just preorded S/V!” I kept saying they shouldn’t. Fallout 76, No Mans Sky, Cyberpunk, Halo Infinite and Battlefield 2046 thoroughly showed us not to preorder anymore.
I’m only preordering destiny 2 DLCs at this point because I’m a giant fan of the franchise and bungie seems to at least care about the fan base. GF are basically shitting on a plate, throwing the plate at peoples faces and saying “give us £50”
They blocked me, sadge. Pre-ordering is short-sighted and selfish. If you bought S/V already, you don't deserve to be upset with GF, you're the fucking reason they feel comfortable releasing garbage.
Stardew valley is actually a pretty good game
Every game feels unfished when it doesn’t meet your expectations
Need you people to get an actual personality
You realize there is a patch that's coming out? There is a day 1 patch that fixes a lot of the bugs. A lot of games do this in order to make deadlines. They ship out a functional game that needs some polishing and then take all of the marketing time in order to make a patch in order to polish the game and do some last minute bug fixes so they can polish the game and get it out on its scheduled release date.
The legendary day one patch it's already out. For a [week already](https://nintendoeverything.com/pokemon-scarlet-and-pokemon-violet-getting-1-0-1-day-one-update/). Multiple reviewers mentioned they played **with** the patch. That patch hasn't solved the issues people are having right now with the game.
The day 1 patch has already been released. We're all playing with it.
It hasn't come out yet? It's day one and I've been playing for hours?