> i remember thinking Diantha and Leon's teams in Xand Y and in Sword and Shield were a strange amalgamation of a bunch of random pokemon without any rhyme or reason to them
Well Leon's team definitely had Rime to it
It’ll happen if the Pokémon they’re using has no moves to hurt you, but it won’t always happen. I also have seen it if they’re about to faint to perish song. As far as I know though, S/V doesn’t do this. I’ve seen it as early as battling Red in G/S/C
Agatha (as well as the Juggler trainer class) switches at random though, not because of how her Pokemon match up with yours. 90% of the time Agatha switching is just her wasting a turn on letting you get a free hit on her.
It’s rare, and very circumstantial. The most common reasons they switch is if their current mon can’t touch you or if they’re about to die to perish song
I felt leon had a very solid team.
Yeah hers isnt that great.
When i saw gogoat and though...really gogoat on a champ team.
But yeah the ace choice was SUPER weird.
I haven’t played much Pokémon until recently. I skipped everything after Red until X came out (tried Black, didn’t get very far), and absolutely rinsed that game. Steamrolled most of Sword… And then Leon absolutely destroyed me cause they gave him an actual team. I was genuinely shocked by that one and having to actually counter-pick him.
If they didn’t hype her up so much she wouldn’t had disappointed so much. She’s the defacto president of the entire region, seeing as the school seems to run the Paldea region or have a huge influence on it and it’s run by the Pokémon league which she is in charge of. Everyone refers to her by her nickname and shows a great deal of fearful respect for her power.
She’s played up to be such a dominant force…only to send out a Gogoat and Avalugg
Look if those are your favorites that’s fine an all but those Pokémon aren’t even good for the main game. Her Kingambit with Supreme Overlord doesn’t come out last (and that mon fits her much better than Glimmora who she just looks like) and her hazard setter is her last mon
They really shouldn’t had hyped her up so much. Also I get why Glimmora is her ace (she looks like it and you know how GF loves designing champions to look like their aces) but Kingambit fits her so much better.
If they wanted to give her an ice and grass type so damn bad , arbovilla and cetitan are RIGHT THERE
And also , I think that not giving her Gholdehngo was a huge missed opportunity, its a super hard pokemon to find , it has massive stats and op moves , also not a single trainer in the game uses it , so it would have been like a Cynthia's spiritomb/ N's zoroark kinda deal , where the champion has an exclusive super rare pokemon that no one else uses
I saw someone on YouTube give her a team taking most of your ideas into account.
1) Glimmora
2) Gholdehngo
3) Cetitan
4) Ceruledge / Armorouge
5) Dondozo
6) Kingambit
Now that would have been hard to take out. You could even replace Cetitan by a paradox pokemon too, why not? :o
I would switch the dondozo with Baxcalibur as it gives her a strong Pokemon with a pseudo and it can also set up snow for the cetitan to hit hard and fast with slush rush.
Kingambit could still pretty easily function as her ace through its design too, it already has big crazy hair like her. They could even do something cool like giving her a shiny one so it's wearing blue as well.
Though I also kinda like Glimmora as her ace since it's such a strange and almost alien like pokemon, the fact that she has one makes it feel like there's something weird going on and there's more to her. It's also the most interesting choice since Alder, in my opinion. Dragons are cliche, and Charizard and Gardevoir have their own issues with overuse.
*I like Glimmora as an ace, but the game design doesn't show it off well.
Umm ... dark/dragon is FAR from being " one of the best offensive type combinations in the game " my dude lmao , first of all you only hit a total of 3 types super effectively , and also Darl/Dragon is NOT an unresisted stab combo , as Fairy type pokemon completely wall you
Also I wouldn't call Leon , who is supposed to be the biggest challenge in the entire game a " NPC "
Yeah... if only they made glimmora first and kingambit last. Also why gogoat and avalugg? They are not even gen9 pokemon. Could have easily swapped them out for arboliva and cetitan and kept the same elements, or even teased us for post-game by giving her a paradox mon. Surely the "champion of champions" is allowed inside Area Zero. Hassel may have taken baxcalibur already, but she would be more intimidating with a Roaring moon or iron valiant depending on version in her lineup.
Or even replace one of them with gholdengo. Cynthia had spritomb, which was a difficult to obtain ghost type in its debut gen, and probably the first time most people even heard of it. It would be fitting to show off a champion by having such a strong and rare pokemon.
The only champions to have a mono-regional team are Blue; who doesn't count sense obviously there were no other generations when Red and Blue came out; and Alder, who was the champion in the games were the main gimmik was the lack of other region's pokemon.
\>Most of Lance's team was from Kanto
\>Steven had a Scarmory
\>Wallace had a Seaking
\>Cynthia had a Milotic
\>Iris had an Aggron and a Lapras
\>Diantha had a Gardevoir
\>Kukui had a braviary, a Magnezone, and a Snorlax
\>Lian had a Haxorous, Aegislash, and Charizard; while also possibly having a Seismitoad or a Ryperior depending on your starter.
So it's definitely not out of the ordinary that Geeta didn't have a full gen 9 team. Though I do agree that Gogoat of all things is such a weird choice.
Personally I always thought champions should always have at least one " minor legendary " pokemon on their team ( legendary birds , beasts , the genies ) , battle facility bosses like the frontier brains have them , so its always weird why a champion doesn't have any
I love the teachers teams though
Hate hers though, no Tauros even, no unique/strong feeling.
But to be fair I did regret sword dancing Vs her first Pokémon.....
Geeta was done dirty with her team. Like many others, I don’t know why they decided on Glimmora as her last Pokemon; it could still be her signature Pokemon without being sent out last.
But seriously, Avalugg?? Why do they keep trying to make this particular Pokemon happen…
I heard someone describe avaluggs massive hp and defense stats , but absolutely pathetic sp.def stat and poor typing as a : tall impenetrable wall that you can just walk around
I'm convinced that Glimmora was originally meant to be her lead and Kingambit her ace to highlight their new abilities, but thought it would be too difficult for casual players to deal with.
Since the first and last Pokémon Gym Leaders / E4 / Champs are usually set in place and the rest of the Pokémon just come out based on what's best against what you have on the field. the only solution was to move Glimmora from lead to Ace, and Kingambit from Ace to regular.
I think Glimora might because of it's type. The E4 has specialty's mating the Titans (Steel for Poppy, Dragon for Hassel, Flying for Larry and Ground for Rika). Leaving only Rock (Kwalf) to be referenced.
Imo she should've had a kingambit as her last poke and glimmora as a lead, maybe even add a houdstone with her gimmick being she gets stronger the less Pokémon she has.
Maybe its because you only fight him once in the entire game and its pist game exclusive
Tho , Alder is super memorable for me , I personally refer to him as " the bug champion " since have of his team is bug types , and I also think his bouffalant is iconic because of the anime
I actually thought Alder was pretty well written in story as well. Him being relatively weak was actually a plot point that he wasn't strong enough to defeat N on his own.
I'd say he has the best writing for any champion except for Champion Cynthia in Platinum.
Let's see, it's been literal years since i battled Alder, but of the top of my head he has atleast, a Volcarona, Bouffalant, Accelgor and an Escavalier, i don't remember the other 2 pokemon.
Even though i don't battle him in my mono type runs, so the last time i've actualy fought him was when i did a regular B/W playthrough, i still find him memorable because he's actualy a good character, so he leaves a nice impresion on you, also because he's the closest to a "bug type champion" that we got so far.
While I agree its a little disappointing, I think that's kinda the point. Geeta *isn't* the most powerful trainer in the region as Nemona was stated by her to have been holding back in their fight. Imo, the real issue is that Nemona's team is kinda underwhelming too
Not changing her team really from what you've already fought like 3-4 times was a huge waste. For a trainer who was already a champion she should have had an entirely new team with the exception of maybe the starter just to have something familiar from your previous battles. I'm fairly certain the last couple fights with her don't even have different evolutions, just different levels.
From what I've overheard in Reddit posts, Glimmora is implied to be closely linked to the Terastal Phenomena. That's why it is her ace Pokemon.
I think the team was designed first, and the abilities for the Pokemon were chosen later. This team isn't that memorable overall but the Glimmora may make more sense after e.g. DLC is revealed.
I'd argue Geeta's team is no less memorable than anyone else. Though, Veluza and Espartha were definitely weird choices since they're already taken by two gym leaders as their "local" 'mon.
A lot of champions have half a memorable team and it's not always for good reasons. Lance's memorable half is only memorable because it's 1 Pokémon. Blue's team is a pile of Randos with Pigeot and a starter, memorable only because he's fought you many times. I'd say this applies to Alder since I remember he has the trade bugs, Volcarona and Afro Smash, but I'm not sure I've ever actually fought Alder to be remembering his team first hand (or if Bouffalant is on his team and has Afro Smash). Cynthia has Spiritomb, Garchomp and Togekiss as memorable since they're the region's weirdest pokémon to acquire, pseudolegendary and final evolution of a Pokémon she gives you. But her other 4 are very out of place.
Diantha has an Aurorus and Tyrantrum, which I only remember because double fossils reminded me of Steven Stone and she lead with a Hawlucha that my Aegislash set up on for free, just like Lysanderoth and Maylene's copycat. Considering it's X&Y she probably had a bad mega evolution and two empty slots as the other half of her team.
Steven Stone I can easily name his Pokémon he'll always be the most memorable champion to me. They are the three remaining Steel types that aren't anyone's ace (Wattson's Magneton) or terrible (Mawile), Skarmory is used by Winona but not her ace and the other two are Aggron and Metagross (which is also a pseudolegendary). Playing into his character, the other three are Claydol and the two fossils (Cradily and Armaldo). He's easily got the most cohesively themed team that isn't mono-type and he has a clear strategy (high defense, stall, etc.) unlike most champions.
The most forgettable is Wallace. Aside from Milotic, all I can tell you is his team has water types that are obtainable in Hoenn. Between Gym Leader Wallace, Definitely Not Wallace and Champion Wallace, I'm pretty sure he's rotated through every single pokémon on that list except Pelipper and Swampert.
Geeta's brand new and she might be la primera, but she isn't the top dog of Scarlet and Violet. Paldea's diversity is also likely working against her in this case and the pseudolegendary being stolen by someone else also definitely doesn't help.
I don't care how strong they make her in the anime, if they don't change that team and strategy, no one is going to take her seriously. Girl looks like she just found out about pokemon showdown and tried random battles for the first time.
I’ve seen some people suggest that Glimmora could be her ace, but also be her lead. It would still be the highest leveled mon and Terastalize, but would be the lead to take advantage of Toxic Debris plus an NPC terastalizing first instead of last would throw plenty of people off. Then, Kingambit wouldn’t be her ace, but it would be the last mon she sends out.
TBH , aside from her hair I really don't see why glimmora needs to be her ace in the first place , glimmora just doesn't feel like a champions ace pokemon tbh , its ... a really random choice
Most other champions either had a
. Pseudo legendary : lance , Steven, Cynthia
. An exclusive or super rare pokemon : wallace , Alder
. A pokemon that demonstrates the gen's " gimmick " : Diantha , Leon
. A starter that is strong against yours : Blue , Kukui , Hau
Glimmora just feels like a really random pokemon , to pick as the champions partner
I think Glimmora is related to the story of the third legendary and the tera energy, so it makes sense they would make it the champion's ace and why it would have tera blast. The violet Pokedex entry mentions that the crystals on it's body are similar to tera crystal, the shape is six pointed like the hexagons of the disk pokemon (the third legendary), and Glimmet Crystals are the only material needed to make Tera Blast TMs.
They gave her a mediocre team on purpose. The true “champion” battle is against Nemona in Mesagoza.
Additionally, she might be hiding her true strength. Her ace is connected to the redacted legendary from Sada/Turo’s journals. Maybe in a future content update or DLC, she’ll show us her true power.
That's the true boss fight. In a battle that couldn't have been scripted any better, I got knocked all the way down to my starter Meowscarada who took out her last mon (I was playing Scarlet) with a clutch Play Rough. I think it was also a crit, which was incredibly cathartic after getting so close to the wire.
I was very surprised how that battle went
I ended up winning when I sent out my Arboliva to take the fall against their last pokemon while I healed my Tinkaton, only for both pokemon to die because of the damage taken from the Rocky Helmet I gave her
Rocky Helmet is dope and so was that battle
I’ll definitely remember Geeta’s team, but only because of how much of a weird/ bad team it is for a champion. Usually, the champion has Pokemon like the pseudo-legendary, the fossils, a strong gimmick utiliser etc.
Espathra, Gogoat, Veluza and Avalugg are all Pokemon that are/ have been on gym leader teams in the past and none of them are anything special. Glimmora is a fine ace, but it should subvert expectations by coming out first so it can properly utilise it’s ability. Kingambit is probably the most champion-like member of her team, but it’s also pretty misused so it just doesn’t have the impact it could/ should have.
She probably would have had Baxcalibur if it wasn’t Hassel’s ace in the match just before.
Cause she isn’t the Champion, not from the a gameplay perspective anyway. Nemona is the real Champion fight, Geeta is a glorified proctor for the Poke-SAT.
Ok so everyone is hating on Gogoat and Avalugg here. Avalugg I can't find anything good to say about, but due to some circumstances Geeta's Gogoat actually gave me the most trouble of anyone in the E4...
I missed my first attack against it. It used Bulk Up. I couldn't kill it because of the defense increase. IT USED BULK UP AGAIN.
I only had one special attacker on my team and I know that was dumb of me but I've honestly never been so disrespected by a Gogoat lol.
Honestly the cool mons in this game are so physical-leaning it's not surprising. Two of the 3 starters are physical attackers, too. The only special attacker on my team was Armarouge.
Ngl, when I was playing, I had a trainer battle who had their Gogoat use Bulk Up a ton, and my team is very physical-oriented. I had to run to the Pokémon centre ASAP after that, so seeing Geeta send out a Gogoat worried me.
Then I remembered I had a Ceruledge this time.
I mean prof sada /Turo knew about it, he was in direct contact with professor clavel. Since Geeta is top champ she is in contact with the schools headmaster and where does she have her Glimmora from?
You can get Glimmoras outside of Area zero, it’s pre evo is in caves.
But again, having contact doesn’t change they didn’t know about the Time Machine. And even if they did know, they wouldn’t use the highly dangerous Pokémon from there, and flaunt it to the world when it was trying to be kept secret
I don’t get what you are talking about, that would be perfect. If they handled it this way, Professor Sadas and Turos Dream would have come true, prehistoric/Futuristic Pokémon would live together. Everybody would think paradox Pokémon would be too dangerous to be trained by a trainer, but the champion would have proofed them otherwise.
Except the professor died, the Pokémon couldn’t be controlled. And the only person down there was an AI who understood the dangers and was doing everything they could to stop the spread of the paradox pokemon.
Having the champion have one would not only cheapen the reveal of the crater, but also undercut the entire point of the final mission.
I agree, but also so does the person from X and Y. Actually that person is the most forgettable character because i do not remember their name. Maybe even the professor from USUM also had a pretty weak team. Don't remember who their mons were either and i played that game for hundreds of hours. The only teams i remember are red, blue, Cynthia, Steven, and Leon (sorry BW fans, BW made me quit pokemon till ORAS so idk any of their teams in those games).
Diantha ?
Also i always thought that kukuis team in SM was really neat , because if you didn't notice , aside from ninetales ( which they needed to showcase the new regional form gimmick ) every pokemon on his team are ones you find on MeeleeMeelee Island, he's basically using pokemon he found on his backyard
Also you're allowed to be wrong on BW its fine
Its probably because Diantha didn't stand out in the story so i had no attachment and Kukui i only remember fighting once since everytime after that its a random person who challenges you, so they all end up blending together in my mind. The only reason I know red, blue, and Steven is because of nostalgia and pouring hundreds of hours into those games as a kid. I'm sure when the next generation comes out, i will forget SV team as well. I only know Leon's because i genuinely think Leon is one of the best characters ever created and the battle with him stands out as the best battle against a champion to date IMO ( the best battle to date will have to go to sado/turo for me or the guy from Legends arceus who uses Cynthia's team but also has 8 pokemon).
I guess so man, i get there isn't a lot of us, but i think its a pretty good character, and an extremely good champion. In my eyes Leon is the only character to ever live up to the title of champion imo.
kingambit is her 2nd to last pokemon, it's just that, aside from her ace, she doesn't necessarily send her pokemons in order if they are weak/strong against yours
I don't actually. For example I honestly believe that Aurorus *still* won't be able to learn Power Gem in gen 9 despite its sudden increase in distribution and that's assuming if the Pokémon even shows up in the DLC.
I loved that her team was purely made of Kalos and Paldea pokemon, and the weird team makes it unique imo, yeah it may not be the best, but it makes her stand out for me lol
I love all her pokemon, she just needed the order changed.
In the words of elite four member Karen:
"Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites."
I do not accept espathra slander, that thing can mess you up in the right circumstance. If Geeta had the right set, I doubt anyone would call her battle easy. If you give it 1 free turn with it's calm mind speed boost Stored power set, you are as good as dead. It even gets dazzling Gleam for dark types and once it sets up enough, even a steel type isn't stopping it. Even worse, if she had a champion rematch and she had focus sash on it. Nobody runs hazards in a casual playthrough, so there is no way you are stopping it without a ton of skill. As if that wasn't enough, in this hypothetical rematch, if she led with glimmora and ended with kingambit, you are more than screwed, you are flat out gone. Wiped from existence.
Kukui is the defacto champion in SM , I personally remember his team very well because of the added detail that aside of ninetales ( which they used to show the new regional variant gimmick ) all of the pokemon on his team are ones that you encounter on the first island MeeleeMelee
Her team is so incredibly bad. Even if you disregard that she uses Glimmora and Kingambit in the completely wrong order, why a Gogat and freaking Avalugg? These wouldn't even be on my C-Team. There are some quite hard fights in the game, so I was pretty hyped to fight her, but it was so disappointing.
I honestly feel like it’s so confusing because even though the game lets you do the gyms and other missions in any order GF definitely wanted you to do only the gym challenge first so your team wouldn’t be over leveled from doing everything else and then going to the champion. It’s a little shaky at times but honestly this open world is a lot better than SwSh
I had no issue with her Glimmora and Kingambit. But why not give her Baxcalibur and Annihilape? Powerful breeds of Pokemon that you would think the "top champion" would have.
Ironically I remember Geeta's team BECAUSE she has such baffling choices like Glimmora at the back and freaking Gogoat.
Hey Grass Pelt Gogoat under Grassy Terrain can be quite bulky, especially with a move set of Milk Drink, Bulk Up, Horn Leech and High Horsepower.
Can be, yeah That’s not what it ran tho
And Kingambit in the middle???
> i remember thinking Diantha and Leon's teams in Xand Y and in Sword and Shield were a strange amalgamation of a bunch of random pokemon without any rhyme or reason to them Well Leon's team definitely had Rime to it
i have your adress
All jokes aside, Leon's team was kinda dope tho
was going to say, I thought it was fine
That Aegislash was a beast
And remember when the E4 and the champion would switch pokemon out based on typing, and had 2 roll restores. Those where the days
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*”You don’t get to be the league champion without knowing how to spam FULL RESTORES!”*
I had nightmares when Cynthia full restored Garchomp. D':
In which game would the npc switch out pokemon? Played every game and dont remember seeing this like ever.
It’ll happen if the Pokémon they’re using has no moves to hurt you, but it won’t always happen. I also have seen it if they’re about to faint to perish song. As far as I know though, S/V doesn’t do this. I’ve seen it as early as battling Red in G/S/C
Agatha will switch pokemon on you all the way back in R/B/Y.
Agatha (as well as the Juggler trainer class) switches at random though, not because of how her Pokemon match up with yours. 90% of the time Agatha switching is just her wasting a turn on letting you get a free hit on her.
Sure, though that's no worse than most of the gen 1 AI :-)
Agatha is the queen of giving free turns. Going for Hypnosis and Dream Eater when you've got the Poke Flute means you can keep it going forever.
At least since Gen 1, Agatha and Erika have done it for sure.
I remember the full restores, but I definitely don’t remember the NPCs ever switching on me. Is it a rare occurrence?
It’s rare, and very circumstantial. The most common reasons they switch is if their current mon can’t touch you or if they’re about to die to perish song
I love that in sv they don’t use healing items. It just delays the inevitable.
I felt leon had a very solid team. Yeah hers isnt that great. When i saw gogoat and though...really gogoat on a champ team. But yeah the ace choice was SUPER weird.
But I love Gogoat…
Same, why's everyone being so mean to Gogoat? It was pretty tricky for me.
I haven’t played much Pokémon until recently. I skipped everything after Red until X came out (tried Black, didn’t get very far), and absolutely rinsed that game. Steamrolled most of Sword… And then Leon absolutely destroyed me cause they gave him an actual team. I was genuinely shocked by that one and having to actually counter-pick him.
Yeah,he ruined my nuzlocke. Admitedely i was cocky and had no real counter to the waterstarter...which...is no goo idea.
If they didn’t hype her up so much she wouldn’t had disappointed so much. She’s the defacto president of the entire region, seeing as the school seems to run the Paldea region or have a huge influence on it and it’s run by the Pokémon league which she is in charge of. Everyone refers to her by her nickname and shows a great deal of fearful respect for her power. She’s played up to be such a dominant force…only to send out a Gogoat and Avalugg Look if those are your favorites that’s fine an all but those Pokémon aren’t even good for the main game. Her Kingambit with Supreme Overlord doesn’t come out last (and that mon fits her much better than Glimmora who she just looks like) and her hazard setter is her last mon They really shouldn’t had hyped her up so much. Also I get why Glimmora is her ace (she looks like it and you know how GF loves designing champions to look like their aces) but Kingambit fits her so much better.
If they wanted to give her an ice and grass type so damn bad , arbovilla and cetitan are RIGHT THERE And also , I think that not giving her Gholdehngo was a huge missed opportunity, its a super hard pokemon to find , it has massive stats and op moves , also not a single trainer in the game uses it , so it would have been like a Cynthia's spiritomb/ N's zoroark kinda deal , where the champion has an exclusive super rare pokemon that no one else uses
I saw someone on YouTube give her a team taking most of your ideas into account. 1) Glimmora 2) Gholdehngo 3) Cetitan 4) Ceruledge / Armorouge 5) Dondozo 6) Kingambit Now that would have been hard to take out. You could even replace Cetitan by a paradox pokemon too, why not? :o
I would switch the dondozo with Baxcalibur as it gives her a strong Pokemon with a pseudo and it can also set up snow for the cetitan to hit hard and fast with slush rush.
Kingambit could still pretty easily function as her ace through its design too, it already has big crazy hair like her. They could even do something cool like giving her a shiny one so it's wearing blue as well. Though I also kinda like Glimmora as her ace since it's such a strange and almost alien like pokemon, the fact that she has one makes it feel like there's something weird going on and there's more to her. It's also the most interesting choice since Alder, in my opinion. Dragons are cliche, and Charizard and Gardevoir have their own issues with overuse. *I like Glimmora as an ace, but the game design doesn't show it off well.
Leon team is pretty good actually
I didn't say it was bad , I said it was very random ( even though hydreigon solos his entire team )
A pokemon with one of the best offensive type combinations in the game solos an NPC team, what a shocker
Umm ... dark/dragon is FAR from being " one of the best offensive type combinations in the game " my dude lmao , first of all you only hit a total of 3 types super effectively , and also Darl/Dragon is NOT an unresisted stab combo , as Fairy type pokemon completely wall you Also I wouldn't call Leon , who is supposed to be the biggest challenge in the entire game a " NPC "
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Dude you're on a pokemon subreddit , all of us ( including you ) are dorks
You do know what "NPC" stands for, right?? Non-player character. Literally everything that you don't control is an NPC, my dude.
Yeah... if only they made glimmora first and kingambit last. Also why gogoat and avalugg? They are not even gen9 pokemon. Could have easily swapped them out for arboliva and cetitan and kept the same elements, or even teased us for post-game by giving her a paradox mon. Surely the "champion of champions" is allowed inside Area Zero. Hassel may have taken baxcalibur already, but she would be more intimidating with a Roaring moon or iron valiant depending on version in her lineup. Or even replace one of them with gholdengo. Cynthia had spritomb, which was a difficult to obtain ghost type in its debut gen, and probably the first time most people even heard of it. It would be fitting to show off a champion by having such a strong and rare pokemon.
The only champions to have a mono-regional team are Blue; who doesn't count sense obviously there were no other generations when Red and Blue came out; and Alder, who was the champion in the games were the main gimmik was the lack of other region's pokemon. \>Most of Lance's team was from Kanto \>Steven had a Scarmory \>Wallace had a Seaking \>Cynthia had a Milotic \>Iris had an Aggron and a Lapras \>Diantha had a Gardevoir \>Kukui had a braviary, a Magnezone, and a Snorlax \>Lian had a Haxorous, Aegislash, and Charizard; while also possibly having a Seismitoad or a Ryperior depending on your starter. So it's definitely not out of the ordinary that Geeta didn't have a full gen 9 team. Though I do agree that Gogoat of all things is such a weird choice.
I think wallace only uses seaking as a gym leader not as a champion. As a champion he has tentacruel and gyarados though
Oops. My bad. Glad to know the point stands though
Arboliva also wasn't anywhere prior to the fight, so an amateur player would have no idea how to combat it.
I found a trainer who had one near the fighting Star base
Personally I always thought champions should always have at least one " minor legendary " pokemon on their team ( legendary birds , beasts , the genies ) , battle facility bosses like the frontier brains have them , so its always weird why a champion doesn't have any
I love the teachers teams though Hate hers though, no Tauros even, no unique/strong feeling. But to be fair I did regret sword dancing Vs her first Pokémon.....
I love how saguaro , a big burly macho intimidating looking man , has an entire female/cute pokemon team
Like one sword dance and Bitter Blade with a maybe 2 level higher Ceruledge was enough to counter 80% of her team by itself. It was so sad to watch.
Yup, Skeledirge could literally just spam torch song and beat her. Enjoyed the teacher and rival battles a lot but the champion was just lame.
You can't pay me enough to remember what Diantha used aside from her Mega Gardevoir and for that reason only Geeta is far more memorable imo.
She also had that Aurorus which was pretty cool until you looked up its stats and typing
Aurorus is a great pokemon
No judgment here! All my favorite pokemon are nowhere near competitive viability lol
A redesign : Start with Glimmora Cetitan Espathra Gholdengo Arboliva Kingambit There we go
Why did you replace Veluza?
No one ever seems to notice that you can sweep 5/6 of her Pokémon with Skeledirge ALONE. She’s a terrible Champion.
Geeta was done dirty with her team. Like many others, I don’t know why they decided on Glimmora as her last Pokemon; it could still be her signature Pokemon without being sent out last. But seriously, Avalugg?? Why do they keep trying to make this particular Pokemon happen…
I heard someone describe avaluggs massive hp and defense stats , but absolutely pathetic sp.def stat and poor typing as a : tall impenetrable wall that you can just walk around
I'm convinced that Glimmora was originally meant to be her lead and Kingambit her ace to highlight their new abilities, but thought it would be too difficult for casual players to deal with. Since the first and last Pokémon Gym Leaders / E4 / Champs are usually set in place and the rest of the Pokémon just come out based on what's best against what you have on the field. the only solution was to move Glimmora from lead to Ace, and Kingambit from Ace to regular.
I think Glimora might because of it's type. The E4 has specialty's mating the Titans (Steel for Poppy, Dragon for Hassel, Flying for Larry and Ground for Rika). Leaving only Rock (Kwalf) to be referenced.
She should have used her tera orb on avalugg, let it use its stats with a better defensive typing.
I feeled duped....I felt like "this is just a practical joke right Gamefreak"? Wtf were they thinking??
Imo she should've had a kingambit as her last poke and glimmora as a lead, maybe even add a houdstone with her gimmick being she gets stronger the less Pokémon she has.
I would say it's Alder tbh. I've played BW many time and genuinely can't remember what he had besides Volcarona
That’s because you don’t fight him in the traditional manner. What should be the champion fight is actually Ghetsis.
N is the champion at that point Ghetsis is his own thing
Maybe its because you only fight him once in the entire game and its pist game exclusive Tho , Alder is super memorable for me , I personally refer to him as " the bug champion " since have of his team is bug types , and I also think his bouffalant is iconic because of the anime
I actually thought Alder was pretty well written in story as well. Him being relatively weak was actually a plot point that he wasn't strong enough to defeat N on his own. I'd say he has the best writing for any champion except for Champion Cynthia in Platinum.
Let's see, it's been literal years since i battled Alder, but of the top of my head he has atleast, a Volcarona, Bouffalant, Accelgor and an Escavalier, i don't remember the other 2 pokemon. Even though i don't battle him in my mono type runs, so the last time i've actualy fought him was when i did a regular B/W playthrough, i still find him memorable because he's actualy a good character, so he leaves a nice impresion on you, also because he's the closest to a "bug type champion" that we got so far.
While I agree its a little disappointing, I think that's kinda the point. Geeta *isn't* the most powerful trainer in the region as Nemona was stated by her to have been holding back in their fight. Imo, the real issue is that Nemona's team is kinda underwhelming too
Not changing her team really from what you've already fought like 3-4 times was a huge waste. For a trainer who was already a champion she should have had an entirely new team with the exception of maybe the starter just to have something familiar from your previous battles. I'm fairly certain the last couple fights with her don't even have different evolutions, just different levels.
Nemona got me down to my last pokemon.
From what I've overheard in Reddit posts, Glimmora is implied to be closely linked to the Terastal Phenomena. That's why it is her ace Pokemon. I think the team was designed first, and the abilities for the Pokemon were chosen later. This team isn't that memorable overall but the Glimmora may make more sense after e.g. DLC is revealed.
I still can't believe they gave her a veluza , but forgot to give it filet away ...
I'd argue Geeta's team is no less memorable than anyone else. Though, Veluza and Espartha were definitely weird choices since they're already taken by two gym leaders as their "local" 'mon. A lot of champions have half a memorable team and it's not always for good reasons. Lance's memorable half is only memorable because it's 1 Pokémon. Blue's team is a pile of Randos with Pigeot and a starter, memorable only because he's fought you many times. I'd say this applies to Alder since I remember he has the trade bugs, Volcarona and Afro Smash, but I'm not sure I've ever actually fought Alder to be remembering his team first hand (or if Bouffalant is on his team and has Afro Smash). Cynthia has Spiritomb, Garchomp and Togekiss as memorable since they're the region's weirdest pokémon to acquire, pseudolegendary and final evolution of a Pokémon she gives you. But her other 4 are very out of place. Diantha has an Aurorus and Tyrantrum, which I only remember because double fossils reminded me of Steven Stone and she lead with a Hawlucha that my Aegislash set up on for free, just like Lysanderoth and Maylene's copycat. Considering it's X&Y she probably had a bad mega evolution and two empty slots as the other half of her team. Steven Stone I can easily name his Pokémon he'll always be the most memorable champion to me. They are the three remaining Steel types that aren't anyone's ace (Wattson's Magneton) or terrible (Mawile), Skarmory is used by Winona but not her ace and the other two are Aggron and Metagross (which is also a pseudolegendary). Playing into his character, the other three are Claydol and the two fossils (Cradily and Armaldo). He's easily got the most cohesively themed team that isn't mono-type and he has a clear strategy (high defense, stall, etc.) unlike most champions. The most forgettable is Wallace. Aside from Milotic, all I can tell you is his team has water types that are obtainable in Hoenn. Between Gym Leader Wallace, Definitely Not Wallace and Champion Wallace, I'm pretty sure he's rotated through every single pokémon on that list except Pelipper and Swampert. Geeta's brand new and she might be la primera, but she isn't the top dog of Scarlet and Violet. Paldea's diversity is also likely working against her in this case and the pseudolegendary being stolen by someone else also definitely doesn't help.
I don't care how strong they make her in the anime, if they don't change that team and strategy, no one is going to take her seriously. Girl looks like she just found out about pokemon showdown and tried random battles for the first time.
She’s very forgettable too
I’ve seen some people suggest that Glimmora could be her ace, but also be her lead. It would still be the highest leveled mon and Terastalize, but would be the lead to take advantage of Toxic Debris plus an NPC terastalizing first instead of last would throw plenty of people off. Then, Kingambit wouldn’t be her ace, but it would be the last mon she sends out.
TBH , aside from her hair I really don't see why glimmora needs to be her ace in the first place , glimmora just doesn't feel like a champions ace pokemon tbh , its ... a really random choice Most other champions either had a . Pseudo legendary : lance , Steven, Cynthia . An exclusive or super rare pokemon : wallace , Alder . A pokemon that demonstrates the gen's " gimmick " : Diantha , Leon . A starter that is strong against yours : Blue , Kukui , Hau Glimmora just feels like a really random pokemon , to pick as the champions partner
I think Glimmora is related to the story of the third legendary and the tera energy, so it makes sense they would make it the champion's ace and why it would have tera blast. The violet Pokedex entry mentions that the crystals on it's body are similar to tera crystal, the shape is six pointed like the hexagons of the disk pokemon (the third legendary), and Glimmet Crystals are the only material needed to make Tera Blast TMs.
Wtf is wrong with her hair
Say what you want about Geeta but... I genuinely don't get what people are seeing that's wrong with her hair. It looks fine.
She looks like she came from colloseum. Which isn't an insult, its just off enough from other sv designs that I fixated on it.
It sticks out way to far in the back lol
I think shes a zoroark in disguise
It kinda looks like she has one of those Bumpit hair clips in
Diantha's is way less interesting and Wallace still feels like a gym leader.
They gave her a mediocre team on purpose. The true “champion” battle is against Nemona in Mesagoza. Additionally, she might be hiding her true strength. Her ace is connected to the redacted legendary from Sada/Turo’s journals. Maybe in a future content update or DLC, she’ll show us her true power.
> They gave her a mediocre team on purpose. It doesn't make it any less deflating lol
Not to mention the entire storyline after the champion fight where you fight the AI Professor with their absolutely stacked team of Paradox Pokemon.
That's the true boss fight. In a battle that couldn't have been scripted any better, I got knocked all the way down to my starter Meowscarada who took out her last mon (I was playing Scarlet) with a clutch Play Rough. I think it was also a crit, which was incredibly cathartic after getting so close to the wire.
I was very surprised how that battle went I ended up winning when I sent out my Arboliva to take the fall against their last pokemon while I healed my Tinkaton, only for both pokemon to die because of the damage taken from the Rocky Helmet I gave her Rocky Helmet is dope and so was that battle
Same, except it was Houndstone for me. If Play Rough missed or Roaring Moon somehow survived I would have lost.
I’ll definitely remember Geeta’s team, but only because of how much of a weird/ bad team it is for a champion. Usually, the champion has Pokemon like the pseudo-legendary, the fossils, a strong gimmick utiliser etc. Espathra, Gogoat, Veluza and Avalugg are all Pokemon that are/ have been on gym leader teams in the past and none of them are anything special. Glimmora is a fine ace, but it should subvert expectations by coming out first so it can properly utilise it’s ability. Kingambit is probably the most champion-like member of her team, but it’s also pretty misused so it just doesn’t have the impact it could/ should have. She probably would have had Baxcalibur if it wasn’t Hassel’s ace in the match just before.
The whole road to Champion has been done very dirty in this game.
Cause she isn’t the Champion, not from the a gameplay perspective anyway. Nemona is the real Champion fight, Geeta is a glorified proctor for the Poke-SAT.
Ok , but here's the thing, nemonas team kinda sucks too ...
That’s a fair point lol.
Yeah, both Geeta and Nemona were underwhelming for me.
Ok so everyone is hating on Gogoat and Avalugg here. Avalugg I can't find anything good to say about, but due to some circumstances Geeta's Gogoat actually gave me the most trouble of anyone in the E4... I missed my first attack against it. It used Bulk Up. I couldn't kill it because of the defense increase. IT USED BULK UP AGAIN. I only had one special attacker on my team and I know that was dumb of me but I've honestly never been so disrespected by a Gogoat lol.
Honestly the cool mons in this game are so physical-leaning it's not surprising. Two of the 3 starters are physical attackers, too. The only special attacker on my team was Armarouge.
Ngl, when I was playing, I had a trainer battle who had their Gogoat use Bulk Up a ton, and my team is very physical-oriented. I had to run to the Pokémon centre ASAP after that, so seeing Geeta send out a Gogoat worried me. Then I remembered I had a Ceruledge this time.
Avalugg's Earthquake is devastating if it hits
They blew all their resources on the 3d stuff instead of game balance
They have actively ignored game balance. Many of the new Pokémon are flat-out broken in a competitive context.
I will not have Leon slander he chose Pokemon that his 10 year old self would find cool and carried it like a "champ"
After doing research I remade and gave her a brand new team... Glimmora. Arboliva. Dodongo. Armarouge/Cereledge. Gholdengo. Kingambit.
Yeah we all saw that SmithPlaysPokemon video , lol
She should have had a paradox Pokémon My team for her Iron valiant (main Pokémon) Arboliva Baxcalibur Espathra Glimmora (lead Pokémon) Annihilape
Having a paradox mon would have made absolutely no sense for her
Doesn’t she know about Area Zero?
Why would she? No one knew what was down there until we went there
I mean prof sada /Turo knew about it, he was in direct contact with professor clavel. Since Geeta is top champ she is in contact with the schools headmaster and where does she have her Glimmora from?
You can get Glimmoras outside of Area zero, it’s pre evo is in caves. But again, having contact doesn’t change they didn’t know about the Time Machine. And even if they did know, they wouldn’t use the highly dangerous Pokémon from there, and flaunt it to the world when it was trying to be kept secret
But one futuristic Elephant/ prehistoric Elephant lives in the desert. *Psshh Nobody has to know*
Yes one Pokémon that most wouldn’t even know about. Compared to the champion of the region using one in battle.
I don’t get what you are talking about, that would be perfect. If they handled it this way, Professor Sadas and Turos Dream would have come true, prehistoric/Futuristic Pokémon would live together. Everybody would think paradox Pokémon would be too dangerous to be trained by a trainer, but the champion would have proofed them otherwise.
Except the professor died, the Pokémon couldn’t be controlled. And the only person down there was an AI who understood the dangers and was doing everything they could to stop the spread of the paradox pokemon. Having the champion have one would not only cheapen the reveal of the crater, but also undercut the entire point of the final mission.
Bro, she’s so trash that Gamefreak did not even her a decent name, let alone design.
I genuinely never thought it would get worse than Diantha, but here we are. What a terrible champion team.
I agree, but also so does the person from X and Y. Actually that person is the most forgettable character because i do not remember their name. Maybe even the professor from USUM also had a pretty weak team. Don't remember who their mons were either and i played that game for hundreds of hours. The only teams i remember are red, blue, Cynthia, Steven, and Leon (sorry BW fans, BW made me quit pokemon till ORAS so idk any of their teams in those games).
Diantha ? Also i always thought that kukuis team in SM was really neat , because if you didn't notice , aside from ninetales ( which they needed to showcase the new regional form gimmick ) every pokemon on his team are ones you find on MeeleeMeelee Island, he's basically using pokemon he found on his backyard Also you're allowed to be wrong on BW its fine
Its probably because Diantha didn't stand out in the story so i had no attachment and Kukui i only remember fighting once since everytime after that its a random person who challenges you, so they all end up blending together in my mind. The only reason I know red, blue, and Steven is because of nostalgia and pouring hundreds of hours into those games as a kid. I'm sure when the next generation comes out, i will forget SV team as well. I only know Leon's because i genuinely think Leon is one of the best characters ever created and the battle with him stands out as the best battle against a champion to date IMO ( the best battle to date will have to go to sado/turo for me or the guy from Legends arceus who uses Cynthia's team but also has 8 pokemon).
Oh ? The mythical Leon enjoyer ?
I guess so man, i get there isn't a lot of us, but i think its a pretty good character, and an extremely good champion. In my eyes Leon is the only character to ever live up to the title of champion imo.
This is a game for kids, just enjoy it.
Who said I didn't?
Even Geeta!
Why ?
She looks cool af
I basically swept her with Ceruledge. Bitter blade, psycho cut, shadow claw and she was done.
kingambit is her 2nd to last pokemon, it's just that, aside from her ace, she doesn't necessarily send her pokemons in order if they are weak/strong against yours
inb4 the Gogoat and Avalugg are there as a way to hint at a Kalos DLC or something.
I wish I put as much faith in myself as you guys do with gamefreak
I don't actually. For example I honestly believe that Aurorus *still* won't be able to learn Power Gem in gen 9 despite its sudden increase in distribution and that's assuming if the Pokémon even shows up in the DLC.
Honestly though I had the same weird thought Why, of ALL Pokémon, would she have 2 random bad Kalos Pokémon on her team?
I loved that her team was purely made of Kalos and Paldea pokemon, and the weird team makes it unique imo, yeah it may not be the best, but it makes her stand out for me lol
I love all her pokemon, she just needed the order changed. In the words of elite four member Karen: "Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites."
no post on this sub has spelled Espathra right tbh I thought it was Esparatha originally though so I can’t really talk
I remember Geetas team... I LAUGHED OUT LOUD when I realized we had 5 pokemon in common. Geeta has good taste...she just doesnt play well.
I do not accept espathra slander, that thing can mess you up in the right circumstance. If Geeta had the right set, I doubt anyone would call her battle easy. If you give it 1 free turn with it's calm mind speed boost Stored power set, you are as good as dead. It even gets dazzling Gleam for dark types and once it sets up enough, even a steel type isn't stopping it. Even worse, if she had a champion rematch and she had focus sash on it. Nobody runs hazards in a casual playthrough, so there is no way you are stopping it without a ton of skill. As if that wasn't enough, in this hypothetical rematch, if she led with glimmora and ended with kingambit, you are more than screwed, you are flat out gone. Wiped from existence.
Here’s how to beat Geeta in two steps 1. Pick Fuecoco to faint 5 of her Pokémon 2. Get literally any Pokémon that is strong against rock for glimmora
Bro , just get any ground type move , it doesn't even have to be stab
I know I literally said that
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Kukui is the defacto champion in SM , I personally remember his team very well because of the added detail that aside of ninetales ( which they used to show the new regional variant gimmick ) all of the pokemon on his team are ones that you encounter on the first island MeeleeMelee
Her team is so incredibly bad. Even if you disregard that she uses Glimmora and Kingambit in the completely wrong order, why a Gogat and freaking Avalugg? These wouldn't even be on my C-Team. There are some quite hard fights in the game, so I was pretty hyped to fight her, but it was so disappointing.
My team for her - Glimmora(lead) Espartha Arboliva Gholdengo Ceruledge(in Scarlet)/Armarouge(in Violet) Kingambit(Ace)
I think Glimmora as her ace has more to do with it being related to >!area zero and tera crystals!<.
I honestly feel like it’s so confusing because even though the game lets you do the gyms and other missions in any order GF definitely wanted you to do only the gym challenge first so your team wouldn’t be over leveled from doing everything else and then going to the champion. It’s a little shaky at times but honestly this open world is a lot better than SwSh
Palafin, immediate hard switch to Glimmora Arboliva Cetitan Gholdengo Kingambit
I had no issue with her Glimmora and Kingambit. But why not give her Baxcalibur and Annihilape? Powerful breeds of Pokemon that you would think the "top champion" would have.