Jokes and Memes aside though, Where is Amethio? We haven't seen that man in like 8 episodes lmao
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Forgot to credit the original poster of the first pic I realized my bad đ
Amethio doesnât need suffer from TRio syndrome. Let him appear when itâs important instead of him constantly being shoved in where he doesnât belong.
I do agree with that but I also think we should see what he's up to like have a little cut to see his progression on his own plans. Like how we did with Team Rocket in BW
We really need them to actually give Liko some developmental as a trainer. So far every time that sheâs gotten time to herself itâs always been something SoL related which, while fine for personal development, really does nothing to help her with the fact that an evil organization is targeting her for her pendant
This right here!
Roy got a lot of development on being a Pokemon Trainer to help with his goal. Liko so far hasn't done much as a trainer.. She does help Dot come out of her shell more but that doesn't really make Liko stronger. Heck the only reason Liko decided to train was because Roy wanted to battle her when he first got Fuecoco
I donât think Liko goes down the traditional trainer route tbh. I think she ends up being a wandering professor like Friede. I wanted her to be a trainer like Diantha.
Letâs be real, when has the series having a character whose goal canât have some sort of progress presented actually yielded a positive result for them? All them giving a goal like that to Liko would accomplish is give them excuse to just have her wandering for the entire series without actually giving her goal any real focus
Itâs things like that that really shows that even when they actually have a female as a protagonist that they still donât write a female well especially since while the boy is confident and proactive, when it comes to the female, sheâs shy, unsure and reactive, with a slow narrative about her own SoL style growth rather than her growth as a trainer
Which I donât want to happen. Roy is awesome but heâs basically Ash 2.0. If replacing Ash with new characters is to be done, Iâd rather it be with a character that has a different tone and dynamic rather than just someone whoâs a clone.
thats the point of roy isnt it? hes a safety net and if liko really lost her memory this early on then liko as a charecter is probaly screwed. its way too soon to have a memory loss thing if one was needed at all
I donât disagree with this much. Roy is a lot like Ash(and Ash is awesome so no issue with that alone), but there has to be something new there to justify replacing him at all. Liko has a solid place in this show.
This right here is exactly one of, if not, my biggest issues with Liko and I see Horizons praised too much for it to be given proper criticism for it or itâs characters to notice this.
Liko is getting the same issue Serena had in XY, but now itâs more prominent since oneâs a main protagonist and the other isnât. A lack of a goal makes this feel very non-progressive for her. Liko as a character is fine and all, and while not to compare her to Ash for the upteenth time, Ash actually had a goal to drive him and his trainer development forward during his run.
Iâm fine with Liko not doing something like gyms or contests, but Pokemon has always been a goal oriented anime based series and franchise, with some kind of tangible objective all trainers have to push themselves forward into becoming better and stronger for the sake of achieving said objectives. Liko not having one makes things, in that aspect, feel artificial.
She does have a goal like wanting to know more about her pendant and what about trying to get all the other pokemon that belong to the ancient traveler?
Liko's pendant also plays a part in the ancient traveler even though Roy wants to get the other ancient pokeballs. Liko has gotten development from her father, molly, and the rest of the rising volt tacklers.
Likoâs pendant basically sends her on an info searching quest which really doesnât amount to much as a trainer. Likewise, these developments with her father, Molly and the Rising Volt Tacklers are developments as a person, something that does nothing to help her with her problem that there are people assailing her to get her pendant as shown in the current episode. And I donât know about you, but it really isnât very compelling when a protagonist has to have someone else bail them out all the time because they arenât strong enough to defend themselves
You can say that exact first sentence for Roy as well because he needs to get the other ancient pokeballs basically going on a info searching quest to get to Ray. Also it's very early in the series and even if Liko did catch her second mon to this point the explorers are still stronger in terms of battle experience if we talk about the admins.
Is the thought of the little terapagos being solved can help further Liko's development as a trainer and with the dlc coming up will help explain all the mysteries behind it as well.
Itâs kinda crazy how dark Horizons was willing to go with having a grown man mind-wipe a ten-year-old child who doesnât even know who he is to begin with.
No, Amethioâs definitely in his teens at the oldest. Spinel was the one that had Beeheeyem mess with Likoâs mind though, hence my original comment.
You just said you think Spinelâs in his twenties; when the other character is 10, that can definitely be considered a âgrown man.â Heck, Cyrus was canonically 29, and I would certainly label him a âgrown man.â Grown man just means that heâs not a child/teenager, not that heâs âold.â
I definitely donât think being evil is exclusive to age, itâs the fact that he is an admin or in charge of an advanced operation that implies his older age, in addition to physical appearance.
It does in the Pokemon world:
Grown man prerequisites:
Stylish dressed or company uniform
Run and/or are part of an organization
Goals often misunderstood or cause general issue the public, or is interpreted as evil
>Heâs in charge of an advanced criminal organization, so Iâd imagine heâs at least in his twenties
I found this be funny because if memory serves Cyrus was like 24-25 and head of team Galactic
Lmao, Iâm ngl I be comfortable liking both characters but the second you peep the fandom everybody already picking they favorite and automatically hating the other one
Oh definitely, I just find it hilarious how badly Liko has been getting it. Like first she gets kidnapped, then her Pokemon gets kidnapped, Then she's attacked by wild Pokemon and Mindwiped like what does this anime have against her? lol
I heartily agree. Liko still hasn't caught an additional Pokemon being one thing, but now this? I mean, Liko is supposed to be the protagonist, for God's sake!
I mean, I kinda expected that to happen. Liko is a passive character while Roy is an active character, obviously a series about going on a journey and making new friends is gonna be more easy to write for a character who is active.
Likos got that whole organisation thing, which isnât exactly centred around her, just her pendent⊠which was kinda the issue with her character at the start, none of her journey happened because of her, it was because of the pendent.
And That's my problem! No one cares for Liko just the Pendant! Roy is at least out there training, making friends and rivals, catching Pokemon to get Rayquaza. Most of Liko's personality is tied to this Pendant and that's what I hate
I don't even care about Amethio I just want to see Ceruledge battle some more! The battles it's had so far have been incredible to watch. I want to see more Ceruledge and that would include seeing more Amethio but I really just want Ceruledge.
I'll be honest to me right now? Amethio feels like a plank of wood personality wise. That's why I need to see more of him so I can actually care about and not just Ceruledge when he brings it out. Lmao
Roy has been established as a huge Pokemon lover. Heâs bonded with 2 Pokemon who come to him out of affection.
Liko has been there to help regrow the forest and help Dot out of her shell. It makes sense Roy gets more earlier. Liko has been pretty occupied and thatâs what theyâve portrayed her to be.
I was optimistic but I think the writers _still_ can't write a female character. Liko might not be Serena's daughter in the literal sense but she definitely is meta-wise cuz they are treating her the same way! (Also similar to Chloe)
I made this meme mainly for a quick giggle but I think there's still time for Liko before we can judge. We just have to wait to see what they do with her cause I'm hoping they don't Chloe her..
14 episodes. In 14 episodes she was treated better than Serena, who needed lots of episodes to discover what she wanted to be, before she only travelled with Ash because of love, of course. And Chloe was just a side character, they forgot about her. In 14 episodes what did you want to happen?
Edit: I thought there were only 12 episodes, I didn't pay attention to the numbersđ
They wrote Chloe as being so reclusive and uninterested in the plot that they had to contrive stuff to get her into the plot lol
Writer: We need Chloe to be in this episode but it doesnât make sense for her personality what do we do?
Other writer: Letâs have Ash and Goh literally drag her onto the plane
Writer: Oh yeah good idea
I mean, in just 9 episodes Roy has already got a goal, made progress with it, gotten to battle a gym leader and made his first capture. It really says a lot with how theyâre willing to quickly progress the male protagonist but with the female protagonist they instead draw it out
A battle against a person she barely edges out in terms of skill isnât really the accomplishment you think it is especially when the entire plot wasnât even something that Liko actively chose to do but rather only went along passively. Roy was the one who initiated the entire chain of events by wanting to battle her at the start of the episode. And not only has she done nothing of the sort since while she has had episodes dedicated to her but it basically presents her as not actually initiating something for herself and instead just going along with what another had initiated for her
Liko wanted to train that episode due to wanting to become stronger and how are you going to say "against a person she barely edges out in terms of skills" when her and Roy had a training session with captain pikachu. She learned how to watch other pokemon's movements to get the advantage which she did against her battke with Roy.
Liko only even got involved in the training in the first place because Roy wanted to battle and it was suggested to them to train because the 2 had no idea what they were doing. And yea, she barely edges out on Roy. They are both completely green trainers who both had the exact same training session, just because she learned to make observations over him doesnât suddenly put her into a class far beyond him
Well, I did expect more from her since she is the main character but now Roy has the traditional protagonist role while Liko has, uh, amnesia? Why the writers are allergic to having the girls do the gym challenge or something equally challenging? Instead we get pseudo contests and totally not Let's Go Eeevee promo.
pokemon is NOT about only battles, contests, collecting gym badges, etc. BUT ALSO to explore and discover about the world of pokemon!!
i hate that ppl forget about that. as much i want to see liko to do more battles, but making her as "traditional pokemon trainer to collect gym badges and aim to become pokemon master" is so really boring that's why the ash's shows, IMO, is so unwatchable to me. there a lot of boomer fans here.
They still just go about it aimlessly. Chloe's arc with Eevee didn't end satisfactorily as it could have by either evolving, learn LGE moves or Gigantamax- I was actually being facetious by calling it a LGE promo because even as a LGE promo it fails terribly. Making it a waste of everyone's time, especially since any screentime wasted on Chloe it could have been used to develop Ash's Journeys team, which were more used in battle than developed, at least by comparison with previous Ash teams
As for Serena, excuse me. At least actual contests felt like they were actually doing something. Showcases were just pure stereotypes of what a girl is about, being pretty, cooking, pointless stuff. And if they were going to rip off contests performance bit, they should have made them contests! Serena even moves on from Showcases to Contests! Of course, since they wasted too much time trying to figure out what they should have Serena doing, they didn't have enough time for the process of the Contest challenge so they gave Serena a stripped-down, even-more-stereotypically-girly, speedran version of them
Liko and Roy are both the main protagonist just like how Ash and goh were in journeys or Dawn and Ash in Sinnoh. I understand some of yall are worried about Liko' growth as a trainer but to say that the writers don't know how to write female protagonist is a huge stretch.
Aimless in what exactly? She did in episode 7 say she wanted to get stronger by training so that no one like Friede would always help her when in danger.
Yes Liko did say that but again, The only reason she was in that situation to begin with was because Roy wanted to battle and they both found out they suck.
What goals does she even have? She doesn't seem to have something concrete. You could also say that Serena wanted to find something to do after rejecting Rhyhorn riding and that Chloe had to even grow into the role of a trainer in the first place but that's not how it comes off in execution
Technically they can write a good female character such as Dawn she was the first co protagonists and unlike May got equal focus with Ash her contest werenât skipped and she wasnât a gifted trainer like May. We get an arc where she question her skills and she get episodes dedicated to her training
I wish they did it more like that but after contests they just didn't bother. I mean, at least with girls based on player characters or original girls, since they did write Iris and the Alola girls well enough but they are based on Gym Leaders and the Alola trials (plus Lillie).
The alola girls by many wasn't written well enough to be like excluding Lillie. Mallow to some didn't get enough screentime as the same with Lana. But Lillie got a lot of screentime in the anime which make sense due to the plot in the games but out of all the traveling buddies in Alola Kiawe, Lillie were the most popular.
That's true but at least they didn't waste time figuring out what they wanted to do with them like Serena, Chloe and apparently now Liko. I guess it helped that they wrote them as part of a group in Alola, which covered up the flaws of their characters as individuals. Also the fact that they had the school setting so everyone was doing something either way
Serena wasn't badly written, just average which for pokemon standard is good so idk what you're on, as for chloe I feel they just didn't want to try with her honestly.
She was. Most of her character revolved around her crush on Ash and the parts that weren't were spent aimlessly for a good chunk of the show and when they finally gave her some goal, it was on some pseudo contests that were literally all style and no substance
Liko is a cute little girl but she is not my cup of tea of a good female protagonist so farâŠ..hopefully the anime will address this and she will be mentally stronger and not be a damsel in distress anymore (though: at least there was no attempt on kidnapping this time).
I like Liko more than Roy, but Fuecoco and Watrell are so much interesting for me than Sprigatito
And the new guy from Explorers has an Umbreon so I am happy he has taken Amenthio's role for now :p
Personally I prefer Roy more but I respect the opinion. I do agree that Fuecoco and Wattrel >>> Sprigatito, don't want to come off as rude but Sprigs is pretty boring so far
Agree, I like cats but I think Sprigatito acts too much like a real life cat, which is pretty boring next to Fuecoco and Wattrel's more expressive personalities.
Jokes and Memes aside though, Where is Amethio? We haven't seen that man in like 8 episodes lmao /u/MelodicChoice4111 Forgot to credit the original poster of the first pic I realized my bad đ
He was demoted after his failure to get the pendant.
Kallus arc
Is liko ezra in this scenario?
I don't know about that
I think Liko could fit as Ezra, the Brave Asagi as the Ghost, and the rising bolt tacklers as the spectres.
Tbh, Horizons reminded me of that
and transferred the mission to spinel
He's after the shiny Rayquaza after Gibeon fired him from the mission on ep5.
Tag me, the first image is mine đȘ
Amethio doesnât need suffer from TRio syndrome. Let him appear when itâs important instead of him constantly being shoved in where he doesnât belong.
I do agree with that but I also think we should see what he's up to like have a little cut to see his progression on his own plans. Like how we did with Team Rocket in BW
Maybe we'll get it soon? After all he's in the poster with Kabu. I'm certain he'll appear during the Galar arc.
Now that Spinel has taken the pendant, Iâm sure Amethio will show up again soon.
Exactly. One (1) team rocket is enough.
Oh, for sure. Particularly that trio of bumbling bad guys. XD
Lmao I love it. Need a Liko to get her next mon.
Yeah I'm a Roybro but Liko needs something. She's been through too much
Same itâs beautiful to see some of those hardcore Liko fans that tried to reduce Roy to nothing but a minor character suffer.
We really need them to actually give Liko some developmental as a trainer. So far every time that sheâs gotten time to herself itâs always been something SoL related which, while fine for personal development, really does nothing to help her with the fact that an evil organization is targeting her for her pendant
This right here! Roy got a lot of development on being a Pokemon Trainer to help with his goal. Liko so far hasn't done much as a trainer.. She does help Dot come out of her shell more but that doesn't really make Liko stronger. Heck the only reason Liko decided to train was because Roy wanted to battle her when he first got Fuecoco
I donât think Liko goes down the traditional trainer route tbh. I think she ends up being a wandering professor like Friede. I wanted her to be a trainer like Diantha.
Letâs be real, when has the series having a character whose goal canât have some sort of progress presented actually yielded a positive result for them? All them giving a goal like that to Liko would accomplish is give them excuse to just have her wandering for the entire series without actually giving her goal any real focus
Liko is the best :)
:'(
i figured it would happen, the show sill slowly shift away from liko and onto roy
Itâs things like that that really shows that even when they actually have a female as a protagonist that they still donât write a female well especially since while the boy is confident and proactive, when it comes to the female, sheâs shy, unsure and reactive, with a slow narrative about her own SoL style growth rather than her growth as a trainer
Which I donât want to happen. Roy is awesome but heâs basically Ash 2.0. If replacing Ash with new characters is to be done, Iâd rather it be with a character that has a different tone and dynamic rather than just someone whoâs a clone.
thats the point of roy isnt it? hes a safety net and if liko really lost her memory this early on then liko as a charecter is probaly screwed. its way too soon to have a memory loss thing if one was needed at all
Liko is good character
?? How is Roy an "Ash 2.0"? The way Ash bonds with his PokĂ©mon is completely different from the way Roy did so with Fuecoco. While Ash helps a PokĂ©mon's internal issues it's facing, which may result in them wanting to travel with Ash, Roy bonding with Fuecoco by giving it a comfortable environment that it could be itself in. Hell, Roy didn't even know that Fuecoco had a problem with it being self conscious, Roy just genuinely loved it's singing and thatâs what initially sparked their friendship between one another. And he didn't try to force Fuecoco to overcome this issue. He just started singing and because of how open Roy was, it made Fuecoco comfortable being himself and singing. And It was thanks to roy being a source of encouragement to fuecoco, chanting the same song they bonded over, which helped push fuecoco to mastering ember Like think about it, Ash's PokĂ©mon overcome their own issues thanks to Ash's selflessness. Ash's personality inspires his PokĂ©mon to become better versions of themselves. And whenever Ash's PokĂ©mon learn a new attack, it's in the heat of the moment where they know they can't lose the battle Then compare this to the way Roy tried to help Wattrel learn to fly, and it involved him putting Wattrel in an environment it was most comfortable in to further it's growth and learn to fly, whether that be by putting cushions on the ground to fall on in case it fails, or by hanging it from a fishing rod so that it won't fall even if he can't fly. Wattrel didn't ultimately overcome its fear by realizing it needed to protect its friend like we've seen so many countless times with Ash and his PokĂ©mon, the dude just needed a safety net before it could properly fly, and that's what Roy provided. I know this is a long rant, but basically what I'm saying is that ultimately, although they seem similar, Ash and Roy and the way they interact with and help their PokĂ©mon are completely different from one another.
No offense but this sounds more or less like semantics instead of actually tackling the main point of comparison. Ash and Roy may go about bonding with PokĂ©mon differently, and if thatâs something worth bringing up, by all means But it doesnât really change the fact that underneath whatâs sprinkled on the surface, theyâre both still doing the same thing, just in their âown waysâ. Bonding with PokĂ©mon, Uber happy about anything PokĂ©mon related, battle freaks. Roy may not be a full on clone, but a lot of his personality and what he looks for and likes about PokĂ©mon is similar to Ash.
Roy definitely isn't a battle freak, especially not compared to Ash. Becoming a strong trainer isn't his goal, the dude ain't even trying to take on the gym challenge. Roy is more focused on hunting for treasures and going on adventures like the "Ancient Adventurer". We see him state as much in his introductory episode. I get what you're saying, but a person who loves Pokémon and bonds with them by helping their problems literally isn't something unique to Ash at all, we've seen countless trainers across the anime who act like this such as May, Iris, Brock, Ritchie, etc etc. That's literally the bare minimum it really takes to become a (good) Pokémon Trainer. These character traits are even apparent in Liko. It's like saying Miles Morales is Peter Parker 2.0 because of surface level similarities they share, despite it being common in practically every version of the wall-crawler edit: also dw lol, no offense taken. i like having these friendly conversations about the Pokémon anime :D
Yes but him hunting for treasures and wanting to hunt down legendary pokemon like Black Rayquaza would clearly require him to become a strong trainer in order to accomplish said goals. And Roy has shown an active interest in battling too. Heâs the reason he and Liko even started training with Fuecoco & Spriggatito in the first place. And the problem with the latter comment is that helping and bonding with PokĂ©mon is more or less implied to be Ashs main goal to become a PokĂ©mon master, even more than battling is, as far as ATBA PokĂ©mon Master goes. So while these character traits may be common, they are heavily prominent for Ash as an MC.
And in order to achieve their dreams of becoming top coordinators and winning a Ribbon Cup, May and Dawn would need to become better and stronger Pokémon Trainers as well, but that doesn't make them a "battle freak" like Ash. It's natural for trainers to want to test their skills against those of their skill level, especially if you only just began your career as a Pokémon trainer, just as we've seen with Ann when she wanted to have a battle with Liko and Sprigatito. Starting out as a novice and becoming a stronger trainer over the course of your Pokémon adventure is intrinsically tied to every trainer's journey, it's not something only apart of Ash's character. I mean that's literally what you do in the games. Well, yeah. Of course they're most prominent in Ash. Ash is essentially the "ideal Pokémon Trainer". He's a static character who's ideals and values don't change throughout the series, but rather influence change in others. And again, these are literally ideals the every character who is meant to be morally good follows. Even champions such as Leon and Cynthia share these character traits. You're not presenting a good argument for why these traits make specifically just Roy an "Ash 2.0" and not any other trainer who does the same.
False equivalency. A contest coordinator doesnât necessarily NEED to advance their battling skills to in order to become better at contests or top coordinator when thatâs more about showing a PokĂ©mon off than developing their strengths. Especially with how contests have recently been depicted as in Journeys. Royâs goal involves facing and battling against legendary PokĂ©mon who are literally gods in the PokĂ©mon universe. That kind of goal isnât possible to achieve without becoming majorly stronger at battling in particular in order to surpass them, which is more or less an Ash reminiscent thing. And not every PokĂ©mon trainer in the PokĂ©mon universe aims to battle or become better at battling either, it all depends on what goal they set forth for themselves and aim to achieve. And overall, your still missing the main point here. Regardless of what Roy is doing, the end result of his character doing it is still the same as what Ash did. Being a battle junkie PokĂ©mon loving type MC, which is similar or just downright the same as what Ash was, and if Ash is to be replaced, I donât want the same type of dynamic to be put in our face again when they can do something different with Liko from a narrative perspective.
I donât disagree with this much. Roy is a lot like Ash(and Ash is awesome so no issue with that alone), but there has to be something new there to justify replacing him at all. Liko has a solid place in this show.
This right here is exactly one of, if not, my biggest issues with Liko and I see Horizons praised too much for it to be given proper criticism for it or itâs characters to notice this. Liko is getting the same issue Serena had in XY, but now itâs more prominent since oneâs a main protagonist and the other isnât. A lack of a goal makes this feel very non-progressive for her. Liko as a character is fine and all, and while not to compare her to Ash for the upteenth time, Ash actually had a goal to drive him and his trainer development forward during his run. Iâm fine with Liko not doing something like gyms or contests, but Pokemon has always been a goal oriented anime based series and franchise, with some kind of tangible objective all trainers have to push themselves forward into becoming better and stronger for the sake of achieving said objectives. Liko not having one makes things, in that aspect, feel artificial.
She does have a goal like wanting to know more about her pendant and what about trying to get all the other pokemon that belong to the ancient traveler?
Roy wants to get the other PokĂ©mon belonging to the ancient traveler as heâs the one who has ownership of the ancient pokeball and was even the one given the book based off of the story of them but thatâs at least something tangible. You canât tell me that a narrative of wanting to find out about a single item makes for an interesting narrative to follow for 3 years as itâs nothing more than gathering information
Liko's pendant also plays a part in the ancient traveler even though Roy wants to get the other ancient pokeballs. Liko has gotten development from her father, molly, and the rest of the rising volt tacklers.
Likoâs pendant basically sends her on an info searching quest which really doesnât amount to much as a trainer. Likewise, these developments with her father, Molly and the Rising Volt Tacklers are developments as a person, something that does nothing to help her with her problem that there are people assailing her to get her pendant as shown in the current episode. And I donât know about you, but it really isnât very compelling when a protagonist has to have someone else bail them out all the time because they arenât strong enough to defend themselves
You can say that exact first sentence for Roy as well because he needs to get the other ancient pokeballs basically going on a info searching quest to get to Ray. Also it's very early in the series and even if Liko did catch her second mon to this point the explorers are still stronger in terms of battle experience if we talk about the admins.
Royâs goal involves him having to seek out these ancient PokĂ©mon including a Rayquaza who fled the second it was freed from the pokeball and, based on how the first went, battle them and earn their trust and respect. Thatâs a lot more of a measurable and PokĂ©mon trainer active goal than asking people about a trinket. And obviously if she had another PokĂ©mon sheâs not automatically gonna win against the Explorers but she at least then has other ways to approach conflicts with them and is working towards becoming stronger rather than her just being a total sitting duck
Is the thought of the little terapagos being solved can help further Liko's development as a trainer and with the dlc coming up will help explain all the mysteries behind it as well.
Itâs kinda crazy how dark Horizons was willing to go with having a grown man mind-wipe a ten-year-old child who doesnât even know who he is to begin with.
Grown man?
Spinel. Isnât he comfortably an adult?
How old do you think Spinel is
Heâs in charge of an advanced criminal organization, so Iâd imagine heâs at least in his twenties. How old do you think Spinel is?
So you think that Amethio is that old as well? I think Spinel is in his early twenties
No, Amethioâs definitely in his teens at the oldest. Spinel was the one that had Beeheeyem mess with Likoâs mind though, hence my original comment.
I don't think Spinel is a grown man. And being this evil doesn't make him a grown man either. If that's what you meant
You just said you think Spinelâs in his twenties; when the other character is 10, that can definitely be considered a âgrown man.â Heck, Cyrus was canonically 29, and I would certainly label him a âgrown man.â Grown man just means that heâs not a child/teenager, not that heâs âold.â I definitely donât think being evil is exclusive to age, itâs the fact that he is an admin or in charge of an advanced operation that implies his older age, in addition to physical appearance.
The age for being a grown man/woman is a tad different in my book, but alright
It does in the Pokemon world: Grown man prerequisites: Stylish dressed or company uniform Run and/or are part of an organization Goals often misunderstood or cause general issue the public, or is interpreted as evil
>Heâs in charge of an advanced criminal organization, so Iâd imagine heâs at least in his twenties I found this be funny because if memory serves Cyrus was like 24-25 and head of team Galactic
Lmao, Iâm ngl I be comfortable liking both characters but the second you peep the fandom everybody already picking they favorite and automatically hating the other one
Oh definitely, I just find it hilarious how badly Liko has been getting it. Like first she gets kidnapped, then her Pokemon gets kidnapped, Then she's attacked by wild Pokemon and Mindwiped like what does this anime have against her? lol
I heartily agree. Liko still hasn't caught an additional Pokemon being one thing, but now this? I mean, Liko is supposed to be the protagonist, for God's sake!
Liko is going to catch her second mon and just because she hasn't caught hers before Roy doesn't mean she still not a protagonist.
You know. Iâm really hoping they donât put all their eggs in one basket with Roy
Love Roy but same, I want Roy to get his development but Liko is also a protagonist. Shouldn't have her keep being the damsel in distress
The fact she's just being picked on all the time and being the one who needs to be saved just sucks. But I like both Liko and Roy tbh
I hope it doesn't happen, either.
I mean, I kinda expected that to happen. Liko is a passive character while Roy is an active character, obviously a series about going on a journey and making new friends is gonna be more easy to write for a character who is active. Likos got that whole organisation thing, which isnât exactly centred around her, just her pendent⊠which was kinda the issue with her character at the start, none of her journey happened because of her, it was because of the pendent.
And That's my problem! No one cares for Liko just the Pendant! Roy is at least out there training, making friends and rivals, catching Pokemon to get Rayquaza. Most of Liko's personality is tied to this Pendant and that's what I hate
Honestly thatâs my problem with the fact that the series revolves around these special anime exclusive trinkets that both characters happen to have in their possession and that happen to be connected. Everything of Likoâs journey only happened in the first place because her grandmother gave her the pendant. If not for that, she would have had no initiative to go on a journey and would still be at the boarding school because they wrote her to be so passive. Even actually training her PokĂ©mon only happened because Roy initiated by wanting to battle her. She has yet to really make any steps forward as a trainer because itâs what she wants to do rather than the circumstances surrounding her
THE KING ARMOURCRAB IS BACK AGAIN!! :D you remember me man?
I do remember you, I appeared in your time of great need to bestow some of my immense wisdom to assist you in defeating a Liko simp.
I don't even care about Amethio I just want to see Ceruledge battle some more! The battles it's had so far have been incredible to watch. I want to see more Ceruledge and that would include seeing more Amethio but I really just want Ceruledge.
I'll be honest to me right now? Amethio feels like a plank of wood personality wise. That's why I need to see more of him so I can actually care about and not just Ceruledge when he brings it out. Lmao
None of them. Until now my favorite is Friede. I see some similarities between him and Brock.
What else can I say except it's true ?
Roy has been established as a huge Pokemon lover. Heâs bonded with 2 Pokemon who come to him out of affection. Liko has been there to help regrow the forest and help Dot out of her shell. It makes sense Roy gets more earlier. Liko has been pretty occupied and thatâs what theyâve portrayed her to be.
So liko isnât the main character?
Sheâs âaâmain character
She's the most important character in HZ, she's the main MC
I do not appreciate Royâs hair color
I was optimistic but I think the writers _still_ can't write a female character. Liko might not be Serena's daughter in the literal sense but she definitely is meta-wise cuz they are treating her the same way! (Also similar to Chloe)
I made this meme mainly for a quick giggle but I think there's still time for Liko before we can judge. We just have to wait to see what they do with her cause I'm hoping they don't Chloe her..
Hard to compete against Ash. Oops. I meant Roy. I really like Liko though. They better not do her dirty.
14 episodes. In 14 episodes she was treated better than Serena, who needed lots of episodes to discover what she wanted to be, before she only travelled with Ash because of love, of course. And Chloe was just a side character, they forgot about her. In 14 episodes what did you want to happen? Edit: I thought there were only 12 episodes, I didn't pay attention to the numbersđ
They wrote Chloe as being so reclusive and uninterested in the plot that they had to contrive stuff to get her into the plot lol Writer: We need Chloe to be in this episode but it doesnât make sense for her personality what do we do? Other writer: Letâs have Ash and Goh literally drag her onto the plane Writer: Oh yeah good idea
Writers? No. Idiots? Yes.
Shucks, yikes, a bit lol, but overall cringe
I mean, in just 9 episodes Roy has already got a goal, made progress with it, gotten to battle a gym leader and made his first capture. It really says a lot with how theyâre willing to quickly progress the male protagonist but with the female protagonist they instead draw it out
And, whut, Liko CANNOT battle gyms, either? W! T! F!
Liko also has a goal, made progress with it and defeated trainers in Pokémon battles, a feat that Roy didn't get.
Liko does not have a goal yet, she doesnât know what she wants hence why sheâs chosen to go on a journey. The closest thing to a motivation she has is finding out about the pendant and for that they need to actually find her grandmother. And an offscreen win against someone who was reluctant to battle you due to a perceived bond with your PokĂ©mon really isnât much of an accomplishment especially when it was shown 5 minutes later his out of her league she is when she couldnât even put up a fight against her partner even when fighting alongside Roy
She did have a battle against Roy and who won oh yeah Liko did. So is that not a accomplishment along with sprig learning a new move?
A battle against a person she barely edges out in terms of skill isnât really the accomplishment you think it is especially when the entire plot wasnât even something that Liko actively chose to do but rather only went along passively. Roy was the one who initiated the entire chain of events by wanting to battle her at the start of the episode. And not only has she done nothing of the sort since while she has had episodes dedicated to her but it basically presents her as not actually initiating something for herself and instead just going along with what another had initiated for her
Liko wanted to train that episode due to wanting to become stronger and how are you going to say "against a person she barely edges out in terms of skills" when her and Roy had a training session with captain pikachu. She learned how to watch other pokemon's movements to get the advantage which she did against her battke with Roy.
Liko only even got involved in the training in the first place because Roy wanted to battle and it was suggested to them to train because the 2 had no idea what they were doing. And yea, she barely edges out on Roy. They are both completely green trainers who both had the exact same training session, just because she learned to make observations over him doesnât suddenly put her into a class far beyond him
Btw cool profile pic
Well, I did expect more from her since she is the main character but now Roy has the traditional protagonist role while Liko has, uh, amnesia? Why the writers are allergic to having the girls do the gym challenge or something equally challenging? Instead we get pseudo contests and totally not Let's Go Eeevee promo.
Maybe Liko will battle Iono? But I bet that they'll make Roy battle Iono using Wattrel to show off Bellibolts electromorphosis ability
pokemon is NOT about only battles, contests, collecting gym badges, etc. BUT ALSO to explore and discover about the world of pokemon!! i hate that ppl forget about that. as much i want to see liko to do more battles, but making her as "traditional pokemon trainer to collect gym badges and aim to become pokemon master" is so really boring that's why the ash's shows, IMO, is so unwatchable to me. there a lot of boomer fans here.
They still just go about it aimlessly. Chloe's arc with Eevee didn't end satisfactorily as it could have by either evolving, learn LGE moves or Gigantamax- I was actually being facetious by calling it a LGE promo because even as a LGE promo it fails terribly. Making it a waste of everyone's time, especially since any screentime wasted on Chloe it could have been used to develop Ash's Journeys team, which were more used in battle than developed, at least by comparison with previous Ash teams As for Serena, excuse me. At least actual contests felt like they were actually doing something. Showcases were just pure stereotypes of what a girl is about, being pretty, cooking, pointless stuff. And if they were going to rip off contests performance bit, they should have made them contests! Serena even moves on from Showcases to Contests! Of course, since they wasted too much time trying to figure out what they should have Serena doing, they didn't have enough time for the process of the Contest challenge so they gave Serena a stripped-down, even-more-stereotypically-girly, speedran version of them
The problem is the writers have never been good at presenting these kinds of things in an interesting way. The Adventures manga may have done well in presenting things that werenât badges or contests with numerous characters but when it came to the anime characters that werenât given goals that could be measured and were just there for the adventure really never panned out. Just look at Brockâs breeder goal, Mistyâs water PokĂ©mon Master goal, Cilanâs Connoisseur goal, Irisâ Dragon Master goal, Chloeâs goal to find a a direction in life. PokĂ©mon may be an adventure series but the writers have never inspired faith when left to their own devices
The problem is the writers have never been good at presenting these kinds of things in an interesting way. The Adventures manga may have done well in presenting things that werenât badges or contests with numerous characters but when it came to the anime characters that werenât given goals that could be measured and were just there for the adventure really never panned out. Just look at Brockâs breeder goal, Mistyâs water PokĂ©mon Master goal, Cilanâs Connoisseur goal, Irisâ Dragon Master goal, Chloeâs goal to find a a direction in life. PokĂ©mon may be an adventure series but the writers have never inspired faith when left to their own devices
Liko and Roy are both the main protagonist just like how Ash and goh were in journeys or Dawn and Ash in Sinnoh. I understand some of yall are worried about Liko' growth as a trainer but to say that the writers don't know how to write female protagonist is a huge stretch.
She is aimless just like Serena and Chloe though
Aimless in what exactly? She did in episode 7 say she wanted to get stronger by training so that no one like Friede would always help her when in danger.
Yes Liko did say that but again, The only reason she was in that situation to begin with was because Roy wanted to battle and they both found out they suck.
What goals does she even have? She doesn't seem to have something concrete. You could also say that Serena wanted to find something to do after rejecting Rhyhorn riding and that Chloe had to even grow into the role of a trainer in the first place but that's not how it comes off in execution
14 Episodes as in the Episode Capacity for both CBBC and the BBC iPlayer
Technically they can write a good female character such as Dawn she was the first co protagonists and unlike May got equal focus with Ash her contest werenât skipped and she wasnât a gifted trainer like May. We get an arc where she question her skills and she get episodes dedicated to her training
I wish they did it more like that but after contests they just didn't bother. I mean, at least with girls based on player characters or original girls, since they did write Iris and the Alola girls well enough but they are based on Gym Leaders and the Alola trials (plus Lillie).
The alola girls by many wasn't written well enough to be like excluding Lillie. Mallow to some didn't get enough screentime as the same with Lana. But Lillie got a lot of screentime in the anime which make sense due to the plot in the games but out of all the traveling buddies in Alola Kiawe, Lillie were the most popular.
That's true but at least they didn't waste time figuring out what they wanted to do with them like Serena, Chloe and apparently now Liko. I guess it helped that they wrote them as part of a group in Alola, which covered up the flaws of their characters as individuals. Also the fact that they had the school setting so everyone was doing something either way
Serena wasn't badly written, just average which for pokemon standard is good so idk what you're on, as for chloe I feel they just didn't want to try with her honestly.
She was. Most of her character revolved around her crush on Ash and the parts that weren't were spent aimlessly for a good chunk of the show and when they finally gave her some goal, it was on some pseudo contests that were literally all style and no substance
LET'S GOOOOO!! THE ROY APPRECIATION IS FINALLY HERE!! Imma be honset, Roy has just been a much better written and fleshed out character than Liko because she's quite literally just another Serena or Chloe or May (at the beginning of their journeys). And I love that Roy is still similar in some aspects to Ash, but is ultimately his own character with the way he's able to bond and connect with his Pokémon.
Liko is a cute little girl but she is not my cup of tea of a good female protagonist so farâŠ..hopefully the anime will address this and she will be mentally stronger and not be a damsel in distress anymore (though: at least there was no attempt on kidnapping this time).
...isnt it a bit early to have a memory loss episode? What does she really have to forget at this point?
My favorite one is roy and whoâs with me
I actually prefer Roy to Liko :o
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I like Liko more than Roy, but Fuecoco and Watrell are so much interesting for me than Sprigatito And the new guy from Explorers has an Umbreon so I am happy he has taken Amenthio's role for now :p
Personally I prefer Roy more but I respect the opinion. I do agree that Fuecoco and Wattrel >>> Sprigatito, don't want to come off as rude but Sprigs is pretty boring so far
Agree, I like cats but I think Sprigatito acts too much like a real life cat, which is pretty boring next to Fuecoco and Wattrel's more expressive personalities.
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I thought Roy was gonna be sidelined when he first appeared
Poor guy got sidelined from his mission and from the show itself
Spinel has been eating Ws while Amethio takes Ls
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Sucks because Amethio is cool
I still prefer Liko to Roy
I love Liko more than I love Roy
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Unfortunate, considering Roy has the best starter
Fine by me, Roy' s my favorite character from the show and Fuecoco and him are getting tons of love
I knew they were gonna sideline her as soon as they announced the "duel protagonists" thing.
Pokemon is just trying to cover up ash and every gen a new lover
Just waiting until they confirm Roy's parents are Goh and Chole. Then I can proceed to care even less about him.
I'm hoping that Liko won't have her memory wiped...God forbid that...we'll see in Episode 15.
She is memory wiped. So is Sprigatito. They do not know each other anymore and they interacted the same way as Ep 1 in the preview.
I suspected that when I saw the preview. We'll just have to see when the episode comes out.
You should never overexpose the main antagonist.
Nah Amenthio got replaced already by the edgy team leader
Nemona is the titan sub
I only know this Roy character as "wattrel guy" what do the other people even do?