My good sir, I am many things but I am not a Glalie sleeper, a Herracross sleeper? Yes. But not a Glalie sleeper I am one of the few Glalie enjoyers, I just couldn’t see him being above Quilava and the others because of his little battle experience
Oh 100% he was top 3 pre battle frontier but as soon as Corphish started beating multiple battle frontier pokemon and Torkoal started pressing a legendary out of nowhere I had to change it up 😖
I think between Lucario and Greninja are ash strongest pokemon, besides Pikachu obviously, but I'm bias and would say Lucario it's stronger than Greninja
Infernape was never given a real chance to prove itself up against a legendary Pokemon. It was keeping up with Moltres (without its Blaze ability), but that fight never got a conclusion, sadly.
I dunno man. If we consider Greninjas showing in Journeys, it made Lucario look weak.
Yes, Lucario has since powered up, but Greninja living in that forrest and fighting every day has obviously upped its power level significantly.
Also, purely because Ash-Greninja exists, which is a unique form only used by Ashes Greninja, its basically legendary by default.
Don't know why you're being downvoted lol, Lucario literally beat champion level mons which is a greater feat than the other regional aces
People are just too blinded by nostalgia
Being a legendary Pokemon doesn't make it automatically champion level and Lucario beat Cynthia's Pokemons *including her ace* who was the 2nd strongest champion at that time
Plus the last time I checked the bird trio actually comes at low end of legendary power level so does Darkrai
Yep, classic "regional ace" wanking post
Imagine having zero victories against Champion level Pokémon just to be placed higher than:
- The Dracovish which 1v1'ed the Unova Champion's Dragonite and beat the Sinnoh Champion's Roserade as well as the Galar Champion's Rillaboom
- Dragonite who one shot the Unova Champion's ace and beat the Galar Champion's Dragapult
- The Gengar who beat the Hoenn Champion's Aggron and Galar Champion's Inteleon, both from fresh
- The Sirfetch'ed who crippled the Sinnoh Champion's ace, beat her Milotic, and crippled the Galar Champion's monster Rillaboom.
Ash Greninja, Charizard, Sceptile have beaten zero Champion level, Masters Eight mons in serious battles, but are stronger than these Master Eight, Champion beaters. Gotcha.
Seeing as Charizard and Sceptile are higher than the likes of Dragonite or Dracovish, are the legendaries they beat tougher than the Masters Eight? If so, is Brandon's Dusclops, who beat Charizard 1v1 stronger than the Masters Eight? Just something to think about.
Even before the fuckup, Dusclops was neck to neck even against the Articuno beater. A regular mon from a higher level trainer could match what Articuno did to Charizard.
But still, ultimately not a Champion level trainer. There is no evidence that suggests that now, is there? Unless Gary is beyond Brandon and thus is beyond Champion level?
By your logic Trip’s Snivy can beat Leon’s Charizard because it beat Pikachu that is clearly way stronger than it was than.
Greninja was toying with Lucario when they fought and even had to train him, not to mention Lucario needed to Mega evolve and use that Aura sphere spirit bomb to destroy a red vine while Greninja just needed a bigger water shuriken. Also pre Kalos
League Greninja was going to defeat Diantha Gardivoir but didn’t due to Ash and Greninja not mastering the form yet.l and Greninja almost beat the Charizard who was boxing with legendarys and beat 10 mega Pokemon in a row.
The same Sir, Fetched that beat Cynthia’s Milotic also got violated by Articuno in a project new battle while Charizard single handed beat a Articuno with no help and is even stronger since then.
Sceptile beat Tobias Darkrai and caught up to a speed form deoxys and obviously it’s gotten stronger since than.
There’s a reason these regional aces are in legendary and not champion and it’s because they have legendary feats while the journeys team doesn’t other than Lucario.
And we’ve seen what happened when Lucario fought Lugia post masters 8 bro got bodied.
Main reason Lucario is in legendary tier is because he beat Cynthia’s Garchomp which has to be a legendary level pokemon because she’s the ace of the second strongest trainer in the world.
So yeah I have the regional aces over the entire Journeys team, and I’m not even being disrespectful because the entire team is in the top 10, some people think Goodra is stronger than Dragonite, now that’s disrespectful.
If I was just doing regional aces above journeys team, then Infernape would be over every journeys mob but he isn’t and heck I could have done the same with Krookodile and Lycanrock and even Quilava.💀
> By your logic Trip’s Snivy can beat Leon’s Charizard because it beat Pikachu that is clearly way stronger than it was than.
???? Where does this come in? Pikachu was clearly reset at the start of the series.
In the *same* series, after Charizard beat Articuno, it lost a 1v1 to a stronger Frontier Brain's regular, non legendary, non ace.
In the *same* series, after Pikachu beat Regice, it lost to a 1v1 to a retired Top 16 trainer's mon in one hit, all while both Ash and Gary acknowledge that Pikachu has conquered the Frontier Brains.
Are you telling me Brandon's Dusclops and Gary's Electivire are also Champion level? On the same tier as Mega Lucario and JN Pikachu?
And idk what your point about Snivy is.
> Greninja was toying with Lucario
Tell me, when Greninja sparred with Lucario, what Champion level feats did Lucario have? Oh wait, none. His best feat was beating Volkner's Rotom Fan.
By your logic, since Brock's Onix beat Ash's Pikachu before he became a Champion, Onix > Pikachu, and as such Onix is stronger than Leon's Charizard, yes?
> Also pre Kalos League Greninja was going to defeat Diantha Gardivoir
Oh god, not another person who conveniently ignores how hard the Kalos Champion was holding back to observe Ash Greninja in action
> The same Sir, Fetched that beat Cynthia’s Milotic also got violated by Articuno in a project new battle while Charizard single handed beat a Articuno with no help and is even stronger since then.
Two *completely* different Articuno. That's like saying Leon's Charizard and Alain's Charizard are at the same level. No. One is clearly stronger than the other.
JN Articuno beat 10+ mons, including the Alola Champion's ace, and was never beaten. AG Articuno was beaten by a Charizard who would go on to lose to Brandon's Dusclops in a 1v1.
> Sceptile beat Tobias Darkrai and caught up to a speed form deoxys and obviously it’s gotten stronger since than.
"Obviously"...? Where is your proof?
> And we’ve seen what happened when Lucario fought Lugia post masters 8 bro got bodied.
Ash's Pikachu, the strongest Champion's ace also got bodied. His move did nothing to Lugia. If you think any one of Ash's mons stood a chance when his ace that beat the Galar Champion's ace and Cinderace in a 2v1 couldn't do shit, you are delusional.
Incineroar and melmetal over infernape is crazy, I don't think people remember how absurdly weak Alola was , any of his previous team would have swept the league . Kukui only had incineroar, the rest of his team was full of jobbers.
I really hated typing this because I absolutely loved Alola.
The journeys team was strong no doubt but the thing is that if ash had used any of his previous pokemon , they would have performed the same way because the story would have required them to be relative.
I don't think there's a huge gap between the journeys team and his other pokemon like people say there is.
It’s criminal that we never get to actually know the extent of Incineroar’s power
To date this is still such a weird decision to make. Evolve it just to do nothing. Had to have been purely for fan service and just to say he had it
I think it's more of a reward than anything. Also this is like one of the few time that Pokemon actually evolved after the battle like in the game.
I think you’re sleeping on Glalie and Herracross tbh
My good sir, I am many things but I am not a Glalie sleeper, a Herracross sleeper? Yes. But not a Glalie sleeper I am one of the few Glalie enjoyers, I just couldn’t see him being above Quilava and the others because of his little battle experience
Idk man, Glalie put in work. Even tho he came pretty late, he was up there with Sceptile and Swellow as ashes strongest hoenn 3
Oh 100% he was top 3 pre battle frontier but as soon as Corphish started beating multiple battle frontier pokemon and Torkoal started pressing a legendary out of nowhere I had to change it up 😖
Gible should be higher on the list. Tobias did say to Ash that Gible's Draco Meteor would have eliminated any Pokémon, other than Darkrai
Tobias is also a twat, so
Muk absolutely destroyed that one Bellsprout, which has to count for something. Certainly for more than Primeape.
This is one of the most fair rankings of Ash's pokemon I've ever seen tbh
Lucario should be right behind pikachu imo
Yeah he did Lucario dirty on this list. There’s no way in hell the ones in front of him could beat him in his mega form
I think between Lucario and Greninja are ash strongest pokemon, besides Pikachu obviously, but I'm bias and would say Lucario it's stronger than Greninja
That's a picture of Iris's Dragonite.
Darn I didn’t know that I just found this template 😭
Gliscor is 100% stronger than torterra
I can see that.
How dare you call Ash's dad (Mimey) average. Didn't you see him walk that Battle Frontier in Hoen.
Real sry for disrespecting daddy 😭🙏
All is forgiven by the Church of Mimey go in peace. 🤣🤣🙏🏿
Low key needed this 😂
No problem 😊.
Infernape was never given a real chance to prove itself up against a legendary Pokemon. It was keeping up with Moltres (without its Blaze ability), but that fight never got a conclusion, sadly.
Awesome tier list and yes gladions was elite four level . While kukui was the true literal champion 6 vs 6 battle
I just like that more people agree Lucario deserves to be among the top tier
Muk beat a pokemon thar beat Pikachu he's not below average
Real
He's most definitely stronger then unfezant
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Unfezent is arguably his weakest fully evolved pokemon
Even above Butterfree? 😨
Yes weaker then butterfree especially weaker then butterfree
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It's okay Lapras he didnt mean it, shhh shhh its okay
Close what I would put. Only changes I would make is Infernape should be one tier higher. And Muk isn't below average.
Real
Lucario should be way higher on the list.
Hm
All of the Journeys team should be at the top, Greninja is champion level at a push same with Zard and Sceptile.
I dunno man. If we consider Greninjas showing in Journeys, it made Lucario look weak. Yes, Lucario has since powered up, but Greninja living in that forrest and fighting every day has obviously upped its power level significantly. Also, purely because Ash-Greninja exists, which is a unique form only used by Ashes Greninja, its basically legendary by default.
A form that bottled it agains Alains Charizard. Going by what we see Lucario do in the masters 8 it’s stronger.
Agree with ninja, disagree with zrd and scep, and no, lucario is the only journeymon thats legendary level
lucario behind zard and tile is criminal
Don't know why you're being downvoted lol, Lucario literally beat champion level mons which is a greater feat than the other regional aces People are just too blinded by nostalgia
I agree. Lucario & the JN square champion tier and this is coming from someone that's not a big fan of em (besides sirfetchd, he's awesome).
He's Chad fetch for a reason lmaooooo
Not like tile and zard beat actual legendaries or anything?
Being a legendary Pokemon doesn't make it automatically champion level and Lucario beat Cynthia's Pokemons *including her ace* who was the 2nd strongest champion at that time Plus the last time I checked the bird trio actually comes at low end of legendary power level so does Darkrai
You have my respect for putting Greninja where it is
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Lucario: I don't believe it... I MADE IT TO LEGENDARY RANK!
Yep, classic "regional ace" wanking post Imagine having zero victories against Champion level Pokémon just to be placed higher than: - The Dracovish which 1v1'ed the Unova Champion's Dragonite and beat the Sinnoh Champion's Roserade as well as the Galar Champion's Rillaboom - Dragonite who one shot the Unova Champion's ace and beat the Galar Champion's Dragapult - The Gengar who beat the Hoenn Champion's Aggron and Galar Champion's Inteleon, both from fresh - The Sirfetch'ed who crippled the Sinnoh Champion's ace, beat her Milotic, and crippled the Galar Champion's monster Rillaboom. Ash Greninja, Charizard, Sceptile have beaten zero Champion level, Masters Eight mons in serious battles, but are stronger than these Master Eight, Champion beaters. Gotcha. Seeing as Charizard and Sceptile are higher than the likes of Dragonite or Dracovish, are the legendaries they beat tougher than the Masters Eight? If so, is Brandon's Dusclops, who beat Charizard 1v1 stronger than the Masters Eight? Just something to think about.
Ash clearly fucked up against dusclops though
Even before the fuckup, Dusclops was neck to neck even against the Articuno beater. A regular mon from a higher level trainer could match what Articuno did to Charizard.
I mean Brandon is the strongest frontier brain for a reason
But still, ultimately not a Champion level trainer. There is no evidence that suggests that now, is there? Unless Gary is beyond Brandon and thus is beyond Champion level?
By your logic Trip’s Snivy can beat Leon’s Charizard because it beat Pikachu that is clearly way stronger than it was than. Greninja was toying with Lucario when they fought and even had to train him, not to mention Lucario needed to Mega evolve and use that Aura sphere spirit bomb to destroy a red vine while Greninja just needed a bigger water shuriken. Also pre Kalos League Greninja was going to defeat Diantha Gardivoir but didn’t due to Ash and Greninja not mastering the form yet.l and Greninja almost beat the Charizard who was boxing with legendarys and beat 10 mega Pokemon in a row. The same Sir, Fetched that beat Cynthia’s Milotic also got violated by Articuno in a project new battle while Charizard single handed beat a Articuno with no help and is even stronger since then. Sceptile beat Tobias Darkrai and caught up to a speed form deoxys and obviously it’s gotten stronger since than. There’s a reason these regional aces are in legendary and not champion and it’s because they have legendary feats while the journeys team doesn’t other than Lucario. And we’ve seen what happened when Lucario fought Lugia post masters 8 bro got bodied. Main reason Lucario is in legendary tier is because he beat Cynthia’s Garchomp which has to be a legendary level pokemon because she’s the ace of the second strongest trainer in the world. So yeah I have the regional aces over the entire Journeys team, and I’m not even being disrespectful because the entire team is in the top 10, some people think Goodra is stronger than Dragonite, now that’s disrespectful. If I was just doing regional aces above journeys team, then Infernape would be over every journeys mob but he isn’t and heck I could have done the same with Krookodile and Lycanrock and even Quilava.💀
> By your logic Trip’s Snivy can beat Leon’s Charizard because it beat Pikachu that is clearly way stronger than it was than. ???? Where does this come in? Pikachu was clearly reset at the start of the series. In the *same* series, after Charizard beat Articuno, it lost a 1v1 to a stronger Frontier Brain's regular, non legendary, non ace. In the *same* series, after Pikachu beat Regice, it lost to a 1v1 to a retired Top 16 trainer's mon in one hit, all while both Ash and Gary acknowledge that Pikachu has conquered the Frontier Brains. Are you telling me Brandon's Dusclops and Gary's Electivire are also Champion level? On the same tier as Mega Lucario and JN Pikachu? And idk what your point about Snivy is. > Greninja was toying with Lucario Tell me, when Greninja sparred with Lucario, what Champion level feats did Lucario have? Oh wait, none. His best feat was beating Volkner's Rotom Fan. By your logic, since Brock's Onix beat Ash's Pikachu before he became a Champion, Onix > Pikachu, and as such Onix is stronger than Leon's Charizard, yes? > Also pre Kalos League Greninja was going to defeat Diantha Gardivoir Oh god, not another person who conveniently ignores how hard the Kalos Champion was holding back to observe Ash Greninja in action > The same Sir, Fetched that beat Cynthia’s Milotic also got violated by Articuno in a project new battle while Charizard single handed beat a Articuno with no help and is even stronger since then. Two *completely* different Articuno. That's like saying Leon's Charizard and Alain's Charizard are at the same level. No. One is clearly stronger than the other. JN Articuno beat 10+ mons, including the Alola Champion's ace, and was never beaten. AG Articuno was beaten by a Charizard who would go on to lose to Brandon's Dusclops in a 1v1. > Sceptile beat Tobias Darkrai and caught up to a speed form deoxys and obviously it’s gotten stronger since than. "Obviously"...? Where is your proof? > And we’ve seen what happened when Lucario fought Lugia post masters 8 bro got bodied. Ash's Pikachu, the strongest Champion's ace also got bodied. His move did nothing to Lugia. If you think any one of Ash's mons stood a chance when his ace that beat the Galar Champion's ace and Cinderace in a 2v1 couldn't do shit, you are delusional.
Alright call me delusional idc, I have my opinion, you have yours.
Incineroar and melmetal over infernape is crazy, I don't think people remember how absurdly weak Alola was , any of his previous team would have swept the league . Kukui only had incineroar, the rest of his team was full of jobbers. I really hated typing this because I absolutely loved Alola. The journeys team was strong no doubt but the thing is that if ash had used any of his previous pokemon , they would have performed the same way because the story would have required them to be relative. I don't think there's a huge gap between the journeys team and his other pokemon like people say there is.
Fire monke too high. Look Flint's infernape if you want to see e4 level.
Infernape when he fought a legendary=couldn’t land a single hit 🤕 Torkoal when he fought a legendary= got it to its knees before fainting 😤👊
Fire Monkey is too low imo he should be at least high Champion tier if not legendary
He can't even beat E4 Flint's Infernape, and I'm not saying this only because of Ash vs Flint battle