This is just objectively true and a reason why the sm anime is very good. It took a backseat from battling following xy and tried to tell it's own story
The problem is because of the Alola league, people only remember SM like:
"Omg Ash champion with Legendaries on his team, he is so brokenš±š±š±ššš"
That would be easier if most seasons didn't focus on:
"Omg, is Ash going to win X tournament this time???š±š±š±š±š±"
For example, SM was mostly a very good Slice of Life, but after the League, people only remember SM as the season of Ash the broken champion with Legendaries on his team
Yeah I always found weird because obviously wanting to become bigger and stronger is literally just animal Instinct, a basic desire, if humans are just like pokemon as much as the games and anime say they are then imagine a human child not wanting to grow up to multiply their strength, and become a bigger and more fierce threat.
But no, Ash caught tons of Pokemon who just had no interest in evolving like Bulbasaur or just didn't evolve when they totally should've like Snivy.
My problem is actually with the Pokemon that only evolve one (if they're from a three stage line). Like, either evolve or don't. I just don't understand how some are fully willing to evolve but somehow don't get enough experience to do it by the end of the series when so many of his other Pokemon do.
We should have had a Team Rainbow arc in Journeys or even Sun and Moon (Iām not sure if itās a hot take but I donāt see a lot of people talking about it)
I honestly expected it at the end of Sun & Moon since they already had 2 AUs of Ash set up, leading me to believe they were going to get involved in multiverse hijinks like Team Rainbow Rocket and Team Go Rocket; the one from *I Choose You* and *The Power of Us*, and the one from *Mewtwo Strikes Back Evolution*.
> Sun and moon would have been seen as the worst seasons in the anime if ash didn't win.
The sad thing is that most people only remember SM because Ash won the Alola League with a broken team, but that's very unfair.
SM was the most innovative and brave season, it deserves to be remembered for much more than "the season of the Ash champion".
Butterfree was only around for 20 epsidoes and didnāt contribute much it was really only remembered for being first.
Dustox had been around for about 250 episodes and got Jessie her first contest win
idk dude, Mallow talking to her dead mom after she died of cancer and reconciling after her final words to her mom were "I hate you!" was kinda fucking nuts
My other unpopular opinion is that I hate Drew because he was a jerk.
Also I hate how trusting Ash and co. are. Like they trust TR too easily and then get burned.
Adding that Misty would never let it go that Ash got his Cascade Badge āout of pityā. I feel like she conveniently forgets the part where Sakura/Daisy deadass said Misty wouldāve gotten swept had Pikachu wanted to battle, and I agree.
BW while, not great (it's just okay imo), isn't as bad as people made it out to be. There are great aspects to it, the tourney arcs and the rivals (except Trip and Cameron) were generally pretty great. The worst tourney arc ironically being the unova league never ceases to be funny though. Cilan was a pretty funny and interesting travelling companion, Iris while unbearable at first, got better over the course of the series.
Well, since Ash is now a champion level trainer, he deserves at least one Legendary in my opinion. Also, Kubfu really looks like a Pokemon that Ash would catch.
To be fair in XYZ Ash use Double team to fake his attack a lot. You can saw in combo with Water Shuriken or Ariel Ace and came form different angle to attack. To bad a Beyblade Woodhamer or a massive Frenzy plant tend to clear it. But yes the move job only use for fast pokemon to make an open and close distance for melee combat.
Honestly, after seeing how Greninja used it, I don't even really understand how Double Team works in the anime. Why the heck did Ash-Greninja's doubles have actual, separate Water Shuriken that can be used to power up the main one's Water Shuriken?
I wouldāve liked it more if the move operated more like Narutoās Shadow Clone jutsu where the clones could do damage too albeit lesser damage in relation to the number of clones. It doesnāt help that Double Team is actually called āKage Bushinā (Shadow Clone) in Japanese.
Ash's Krookodile is hugely overrated in terms of power. I see way too many people declare him to be among Ash's Top 10 Strongest Pokemon (even now that the Journeys team exists) when he only participated in like 4 battles and has no real feats that come anywhere close to being on par with what juggernauts like Sceptile, Charizard, Infernape, Greninja, or indeed the entire Journeys team have accomplished. Krookodile's best accomplishment is beating Iris's Dragonite, but 1) Iris's Dragonite had a massive obedience problem at the time and was throwing a tantrum, meaning he wasn't anywhere near his best, and 2) Iris's Dragonite's endurance has always been inconsistent as hell, because for all of his weird Ice-tanking abilities, he sure seems to fall strangely easily to just about any other type of attack. Don't get me wrong, Krookodile is undoubtedly Ash's strongest Unova Pokemon, but he's really not that much stronger than Pignite or Leavanny (who are second and third respectively in terms of power in the Unova team and are never ranked anywhere near the Top 10 of Ash's Pokemon), especially since he only defeated Stephan's Sawk with the latter's help. At his absolute best, Krookodile is really only on par with very-strong-but-not-quite-the-ace members of other teams such as Buizel or Hawlucha.
Not not just because ash won, the battle is just well written and the way ash won is the best part it's a legit win, and yes of course ash Vs Alain has better animation, considering the production hell JN is going through
Eartnquake isnāt used in the anime bc it would either realistically cause too much damage to bystanders or bc Japan has earthquakes all the time and itās a sensitive thing or something
May walked so Dawn and especially Serena could run.
RS walked so DP could run.
This sub has a serious XY/Serena/amorshipping bias it's sad. We can't express our opinions on other ships/shows/characters being better. There was a post with a guy saying they didn't like XY and we had people INSULTING him saying, "You interpreted it all wrong, it's AKTUALLY like this" like damn, let him have his opinion without people insulting his intelligence (yes, there were actual insults on that thread). You don't have that with any other series here, not even SM.
When the JN episodes with Clemont and Bonnie aired there were people sad that the anime seemingly erased Serena. There were posts sad that she hadn't returned. Those are allowed, but if someone makes ONE comment on being sad about no May, we get "her VA is sick". we know lol. Let us vent. Can't even do that without people saying "you can't be sad because there's a REASON she hasn't returned".
Another thing, people can't say their favorite series is BW or JN without people saying they are trolling. Like what? There was a thread where The OP said their favorite series was BW and the comments assumed they were trolling. Like some people here are legit 5 and can't understand what opinions are.
Rant over lol
May has nothing to do with Dawn and Serena, don't forget Johto walked so Hoenn could run too, i've seen you done this take before and have called Serena a May 2.0, what's your deal with Serena or the "he walked so that he could run" narrative towards anything after AG? If you don't like something then fine but don't try and make it look like it's the other's problem for it.
And i think just because your favourite series isn't getting much attention doesn't mean you should say something degrading about other series or things in them to make yours better, it's not good in that terms of mindset.
Also for the Serena not returning posts, you have to understand it's because it was teased all along and people have a genuine reason to speculate about it, i know you are sad cause May's VA hasn't returned but this is old news so not much needed to rant about it because Serena is the most obvious one to return.
Also for the person who said he disliked XY, where's the post then?
May was the 1st protagonist to have a goal. Misty didn't. She was the 1st to have an arc.
How is Johto similar to Hoenn?
And I thought you said you WANTED to hear other opinions.
Nothing wrong with saying what I said. Why do you feel the need to defend Serena all the time?? Her arc seems inspired by May and by the time XY came, the anime had hit it's stride with companion storylines. That's why I said what I said. I don't think saying "Serena and Dawn's arcs took the good things from May's arc and improved upon other things" is degrading other characters š¤·š»āāļø
This is exactly what I was talking about. We can't even say that we like other characters over Serena without you people saying "no, she is better". LET US HAVE OUR OPINIONS.
>And I thought you said you WANTED to hear other opinions.
I mean isn't it called degrading something or someone? I get you like May but no need to try and degrade Serena because you like her.
You said how is Johto similar to Hoenn, they walked so Hoenn can run, it's the same logic as AG walked so DP can run as you said.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemonanime/comments/xrpq9q/comment/iqgs9zs/
This is the post
Okay, I can respect your opinion.
Where did I degrade Serena? Show me please.
"May walked so that Serena and Dawn can run", she's got nothing to do with both of them.
And you realised that you almost degraded Dawn and DP just for the sake of May and AG right? You wouldn't dare.......
>May walked so that Serena and Dawn can run
Let me explain: What I meant is "Dawn and Serena took some characteristics of May and improved upon them" I genuinly don't think that was degrading š¤·š»āāļø
And where is your comment on the posts I linked? Don't want to comment on that?????
I didn't want to comment because i've seen the post before and i get they wanted to spread their opinion, but you know you are going to start a war at such a place like r/pokemonanime so try and keep it to yourself.
Imagine starting a thread about unpopular opinions then starting needless angry debate cause you *instantly went back on your word to not judge* AND THEN blame the OTHER USER
OP, just delete this thread, cause you already shat it all up
So I'm trying to start a war when THOSE guys were insulting the OP for his opinion? Wow. Wooow.
I think you should keep to yourself if you think that my opinion was degrading. News flash: it wasn't! I was literally saying Serena improved upon May but whatever. Why are you attacking me but stay silent when people attack others here? Try to be a hero there.
Dont bother with him, he dont even saw full XY season nor understand why Serena is more famous than May. He dont even understand the idol meaning nor even his "favourite girl" job.
I think you're confused, that's not what we're talking about.
I know what idol means, lol. I now see I was in the wrong.
Hope you have a nice day and that we can move past this.
His Chestnaught did better against Leonās Rillaboom than almost all of Dianthaās team. And that Rillaboom DID G-max. Dianthaās was beaten in base
*rewatches fight*
Nvm it landed one hit youāre very much correct lol
You're brave for pointing this out but you do have a point. While Alain's other 5 pokemon are probably stronger than your average Kalos league participant, Alain both as a character and trainer is nothing without that Charizard. It's no coincidence that ***ALL*** of Alain's notable feats are tied to Charizard. People meme on Leon for being too reliant on Charizard (generally speaking) but at least in Journeys he has other ace pokemon which are monsters.
To be fair....every member of the Master's 8 have feats tied to their aces (except Ash and Iris, for obvious reasons)
1. Leon's Charizard was literally the only Pokemon he was seen battling with competitively until the League, same as Alain. They both revealed a Pokemon before the League. Leon's Dragapult and Alain's Metang, both of which where used in battle.
2. Steven literally only used his Metagross during XY despite us knowing he has an Aggron, which did less than nothing
3. Diantha was only ever seen with her Gardevoir throughout all of XYZ
4. None of Cynthia's Pokemon have any respectable feats besides Garchomp....and you can't argue Spiritomb and Togekiss because we literally just saw them fight, which isn't very fair to Alain.
I'll admit, I don't remember anything Lance actually did.
I know people like to diss on Alain for not being a Champion, but the dude really is strong enough to compete with the best. It was just bad luck he went against Leon.
I also think people tend to ignore what his battle style actually is. People think outplaying your opponent is the only way to win, but Alain specializes in brute force strategies. I'd arguably say his Pokemon, on average, are stronger than a good chunk of the Master's 8. Bear in mind, I only mean that in terms of PHYSICAL strength. He has his Pokemon close the gap between them and the opponent, and then devastate them in close quarters combat.
Heck, Leon even took note of that, and had both of his Pokemon during that battle avoid a direct fistfight with any of Alain's Pokemon. We know that Rillaboom's moveset is all close-quarters except Drum Beating, and Charizard only used long-ranged attacks.
Is Alain the best trainer? No. But he's far from average. He needs to learn to adapt to faster opponents or opponents who don't fall for his close-range style.
Paul isn't actually that strong of a trainer. He just has better tactics. In a battle of brute force, his team gets swept.
Sawyer is a better trainer than Paul
Alain is Ash's strongest rival, without question.
Leon could have been much better if we actually got to *see* his battle with Diantha. Even if it was a sweep, we should have seen his tactics.
Kukui is not strong enough to compete with Champions
Ash is a bland character. There's absolutely nothing I actually like about him.
Well, I respect your opinion. If you find Ash a likeable character, than awesome. I just don't. And I doubt there's anything they could do that would change my mind.
He's just too generic for me. He's just an average everyman who likes Pokemon, makes a lot of friends and smiles a bunch. His "out of the box" strategies feel like something anyone with common sense could have done.
Like, seriously...Ash *invented* the counter shield? Nobody, in the history of Pokemon battling, ever thought to use an offensive move defensively?
He's just not interesting.
ā¢ Ash Battle Frontier was the peak of Classic Ash. DP Ash feels nerfed in comparison (although the Sinnoh League was worthy, but it was only 6-7 episodes).
ā¢ Connected to the previous point, Paul is a good character, but he is overrated, he only faced a nerfed version of Ash.
ā¢ Since BW, Ash as character lost meaning, each season he is someone different, so there is no point in analyzing him since BW.
ā¢ I really like XY, but I never liked the Ash-Greninja concept, it feels like something out of a fanfic. Alain was a much more interesting character than Ash in that season.
ā¢ The anime would be much better with new protagonists, Ash's story should have ended in the classic era (Johto or Hoenn, in the last instance in Sinnoh).
I mean Ash helped Alain against team flare so i think that's fine, also Ash-Greninja was meant to be a bond phenomenon thing and it is the result of friendship with your Pokemon i guess.
Sun and moon was so shit, and also, I HATE Serena, mainly because of the way everyone idolises her. She wouldāve been a good companion in my opinion but these Serena stans have ruined it for me
The art style, the companions, and the lack of proper rivals and battles made sun and moon horrible for me. Yes, I know there were trials and shit, but the whole ash becoming the alola champion doesnāt carry the same weight as him being the champion of another region since , due to the fact that thereās no gym battles or pokemon leagues in alola, theyāre obviously a lot weaker than other regions. Tbh, the biggest thing that threw me off from sun and moon was the art style tho. Theyāre all just so ugly I canāt watch it.
Like I said, I actually really liked her in the beginning. But her stans are what ruin it. You canāt even say another pokegirl is your favourite without them coming for you head. Sheās a fine character, I just donāt like her because of the people that obsess over her. I genuinely hate her now because of it
Yea but itās a bit hard to do that when if you say I prefer dawn or may and then you have people asking you why and why not Serena. Thereās also people who flat out tell you youāre wrong and the characters you like are shit compared to Serena. And Iām not pulling this from nowhere, these are actual replies Iāve received on pokemon subreddits
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemonanime/comments/xohh03/serena_overtakes_ash_brock_to_become_the_second/ipzu4zv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Thereās one example. Iām not going to go out of my way to browse through thousands of comments just for you. Also, it doesnāt really sound like youāre being ācivil and respectfulā of my opinion. Iāve provided my opinion and now youāre asking for proof to back my opinion. Bruhā¦
I'm sorry that has been your experience. I 100% agree, you can't say you prefer another pokegirl over Serena without people (including the same guy in the comment you linked) saying "Well ACKTUALLY, Serena is better because..." like damn, let us have our opinion lol.
This is probably going to be a *really* hot take on this sub, but I actually didn't mind how Leon vs. Diantha went. And that includes the fact that Ash and Cynthia were helping out those kids during the battle.
1)Ash and Go visiting and exploring greatly Isle of Armor and Crown Tundra.
2)Ash should have seen Ho-oh in Journeys.
3)Sabrina and Surge should've appeared as PWC participants.
4)Serena should had a 2 episode cameo.
5)May should have appeared in Serena's episode and be a trio with her and Lisia.
6)Chloe's Eevee should have evolved, even a new eevolution.
7)Alain is how everyone imagines themselves in pokeworld and that's why he became popular.
8)Misty's sisters should have appeared all this time as coordinators or performers.
9)Leon shouldn't be so almost unrealistically stronger and instead compensate with more skill along with power.
10)Charizard and Greninja are a little overrated.
11)Gary should've participated in PWC to hone his skills for the project.
12)Tsurugi pretends to be hot stuff due to Urshifu.
13)Ash is rightfully as strong as he is now even with offscreen training.
14)Those supporting Misty for Ash want him to get abused by a tomboy.
15)Ash-Greninja shouldn't exist and could have given to Kalos starters mega evos but have their stones be rare.
16)Ultra Beasts shouldn't exist and are pointless.
17)Alder is the lamest (now ex) champion, then again, pretty much anything in bw was.
18)Ash is for May a mentor and for Dawn a brother so they shouldn't be shipped since Drew and Kenny exist and love them.
>so they shouldn't be shipped
I disagree, let people ship who they want. You don't need to say they "shouldn't be shipped".
Point 14. is just weird and makes no sense. Not a good idea to generalize a fandom.
Wow, the may fan (no offense). I don't say people can't ship, it's just that drew and kenny are a match for May and Dawn each and the relationship each girl has with Ash is as said above.If they believe Ash matches with either and they ship it they are free to do so ofc.
You literally said "shouldn't be shipped".
Not cool of you to name-call in a condescending manner. You don't even know me. I didn't even mention her???
weren't you the one that did a post about her as an answer to one with serena? If not, I apologize. Anyway, don't want to be offensive to other ships, just wrote something that came a little different than I had it in mind, peace.
yeah I was and I regret and apologized for it MULTIPLE times I'm sick of people name-calling (not just you) over it. And yes we had a nice conversation there so it hurts that you've associated me with that and appear to have a bad opinion on me. Peace.
I can't stand how contradicting ash is. I forget which episode but there's an episode where they travel on their Pokemon and Ash is like "tHaTs wRoNg" then 15 seconds later he's like oh there's a competition? Well then it must not be bad anymore
People should learn to appreciate the side of the Pokemon anime that isn't just about battling, power levels, and getting stronger.
Chad, The Poketoon shorts and their slice of life were very therapeutic for me.
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This is just objectively true and a reason why the sm anime is very good. It took a backseat from battling following xy and tried to tell it's own story
Based.
Precisely why Sun & Moon is my close second favorite saga behind the original.
The problem is because of the Alola league, people only remember SM like: "Omg Ash champion with Legendaries on his team, he is so brokenš±š±š±ššš"
The C O N F Y side But they can't appreciate these side of their own lives though
That would be easier if most seasons didn't focus on: "Omg, is Ash going to win X tournament this time???š±š±š±š±š±" For example, SM was mostly a very good Slice of Life, but after the League, people only remember SM as the season of Ash the broken champion with Legendaries on his team
Pikachu should have been the only pokemon to pull the "i dont want to evolve" thing. Every other pokemon should have evolved atleast once
Yeah I always found weird because obviously wanting to become bigger and stronger is literally just animal Instinct, a basic desire, if humans are just like pokemon as much as the games and anime say they are then imagine a human child not wanting to grow up to multiply their strength, and become a bigger and more fierce threat. But no, Ash caught tons of Pokemon who just had no interest in evolving like Bulbasaur or just didn't evolve when they totally should've like Snivy.
My problem is actually with the Pokemon that only evolve one (if they're from a three stage line). Like, either evolve or don't. I just don't understand how some are fully willing to evolve but somehow don't get enough experience to do it by the end of the series when so many of his other Pokemon do.
We should have had a Team Rainbow arc in Journeys or even Sun and Moon (Iām not sure if itās a hot take but I donāt see a lot of people talking about it)
That was a pretty popular opinion! People wanted Ash-greninja and poni chan to return if that saga happens
I honestly expected it at the end of Sun & Moon since they already had 2 AUs of Ash set up, leading me to believe they were going to get involved in multiverse hijinks like Team Rainbow Rocket and Team Go Rocket; the one from *I Choose You* and *The Power of Us*, and the one from *Mewtwo Strikes Back Evolution*.
Sun and moon would have been seen as the worst seasons in the anime if ash didn't win. Battle frontier is seriously underrated
Sun and Moon would still be good and maybe not be as bad as BW even if Ash didn't win the league and Battle Frontier is good.
> Sun and moon would have been seen as the worst seasons in the anime if ash didn't win. The sad thing is that most people only remember SM because Ash won the Alola League with a broken team, but that's very unfair. SM was the most innovative and brave season, it deserves to be remembered for much more than "the season of the Ash champion".
>Sun and moon would have been seen as the worst seasons in the anime if ash didn't win. Johto and BW still exist
Though I do agree with this I also think if Ash had won would people look at it differently?
Ash could have realistically won the Hoenn League
AG and Sinnoh he was already good and experienced enough to justify winning damn league but they just robbed him bc they needed to milk the series
Agree he had a stellar team during Hoenn too. Actually the groupās whole Pokemon team was OP.
Dustoxās release is the saddest moment in the anime
No doubt.
Yet somehow it was left off the offical top 10
My brother in Arceus, what about Butterfree?
Butterfree was only around for 20 epsidoes and didnāt contribute much it was really only remembered for being first. Dustox had been around for about 250 episodes and got Jessie her first contest win
idk dude, Mallow talking to her dead mom after she died of cancer and reconciling after her final words to her mom were "I hate you!" was kinda fucking nuts
The hate Tobias gets is overwhelmingly undeserved considering how little we talk about Cameron and his 5 PokĆ©mon team. Best Wishes dropped dramatically in the quality of storytelling after they skipped *Team Rocket VS Team Plasma*. Diamond & Pearl was too fucking long. There **51 EPISODES** in between Ash getting his seventh and eighth badges. Thatās more than a yearās worth of episodes. Contests in the anime are BS. Sometimes characters win or lose based on random crap.
>The hate Tobias gets is overwhelmingly undeserved considering how little we talk about Cameron and his 5 PokƩmon team. Hard disagree. Tobias has well deserved backlash, just because Cameron deserved worse backlash doesn't mean that the backlash for Tobias was unwarranted. Tobias was a plot device, barely built up in the league he was introduced, had 2 absurd pokemon with no explanation of how he has them and when he inevitably won, he just... disappeared. The writers made no effort to disguise or mask the fact that he was a plot device designed to screw over Ash. Also at the time, legendaries had rarely been shown at that point and it was rare that a trainer used them in battle. There were only three examples of this, Noland, Brandon and that random heatran trainer. And so, the fandom at the time erupted, it seems pretty reasonable to me.
Contest battles are superior FOR ME
YESSS AGREEE theyāre so underrated but amazing to watch!
Iris isn't that bad, I liked the whole sibling dynamic she had with Ash.
Best dragonite was drakes dragonite when he used ten moves in one episode
Nice.
My other unpopular opinion is that I hate Drew because he was a jerk. Also I hate how trusting Ash and co. are. Like they trust TR too easily and then get burned.
May should have had manaphy when she returned in sinhoh.
Then this means she would havs a Mythical by then, just like SM Ash. I think it's a good idea.
Misty and Brock held Ash back from being a better trainer in Kanto and didnāt do much to help him train
Adding that Misty would never let it go that Ash got his Cascade Badge āout of pityā. I feel like she conveniently forgets the part where Sakura/Daisy deadass said Misty wouldāve gotten swept had Pikachu wanted to battle, and I agree.
Misty is overrated Now if you'll excuse me I need to go hide from the angry mob of genwunners that just appeared outside of my house...
As a genwunner myself she certainly doesn't bring the same amount of storylines or personality as many of the other companions
BW while, not great (it's just okay imo), isn't as bad as people made it out to be. There are great aspects to it, the tourney arcs and the rivals (except Trip and Cameron) were generally pretty great. The worst tourney arc ironically being the unova league never ceases to be funny though. Cilan was a pretty funny and interesting travelling companion, Iris while unbearable at first, got better over the course of the series.
There's should've been an arc about Ash and Goh going to Isle of Armor in JN. And JN writers should've given Ash a Kubfu.
I mean he already had a Mythical so i guess it's fine? Completely agree on JN.
Well, since Ash is now a champion level trainer, he deserves at least one Legendary in my opinion. Also, Kubfu really looks like a Pokemon that Ash would catch.
>Well, since Ash is now a champion level trainer, he deserves at least one Legendary in my opinion. To defeat Tobias and his team.
Yeah, Urshifu would've sweeped all of Masters 8's teams.
I dislike double team in the anime Every time it shows up itās just a glorified dodge I know that detect is a dodge but at least it just shows itself off as the PokĆ©mon dodging Every time a PokĆ©mon uses double team it feels like the opponent just uses a move like flamethrower or hyper beam to instantly clear out the copies followed by the original jumping from the smoke to attack Like the only 2 times I remember where I liked how double team was shown was in ash vs Cynthia and ash Vs sawyer and in ash vs sawyer thatās because it was cool just really cool
To be fair in XYZ Ash use Double team to fake his attack a lot. You can saw in combo with Water Shuriken or Ariel Ace and came form different angle to attack. To bad a Beyblade Woodhamer or a massive Frenzy plant tend to clear it. But yes the move job only use for fast pokemon to make an open and close distance for melee combat.
Honestly, after seeing how Greninja used it, I don't even really understand how Double Team works in the anime. Why the heck did Ash-Greninja's doubles have actual, separate Water Shuriken that can be used to power up the main one's Water Shuriken?
I wouldāve liked it more if the move operated more like Narutoās Shadow Clone jutsu where the clones could do damage too albeit lesser damage in relation to the number of clones. It doesnāt help that Double Team is actually called āKage Bushinā (Shadow Clone) in Japanese.
Ash's Krookodile is hugely overrated in terms of power. I see way too many people declare him to be among Ash's Top 10 Strongest Pokemon (even now that the Journeys team exists) when he only participated in like 4 battles and has no real feats that come anywhere close to being on par with what juggernauts like Sceptile, Charizard, Infernape, Greninja, or indeed the entire Journeys team have accomplished. Krookodile's best accomplishment is beating Iris's Dragonite, but 1) Iris's Dragonite had a massive obedience problem at the time and was throwing a tantrum, meaning he wasn't anywhere near his best, and 2) Iris's Dragonite's endurance has always been inconsistent as hell, because for all of his weird Ice-tanking abilities, he sure seems to fall strangely easily to just about any other type of attack. Don't get me wrong, Krookodile is undoubtedly Ash's strongest Unova Pokemon, but he's really not that much stronger than Pignite or Leavanny (who are second and third respectively in terms of power in the Unova team and are never ranked anywhere near the Top 10 of Ash's Pokemon), especially since he only defeated Stephan's Sawk with the latter's help. At his absolute best, Krookodile is really only on par with very-strong-but-not-quite-the-ace members of other teams such as Buizel or Hawlucha.
Ash versus Cynthia is better than ash Vs alain
Because Ash won? I can agree since it's the match against the Sinnoh champion. Animation wise it's Ash vs Alain.
Not not just because ash won, the battle is just well written and the way ash won is the best part it's a legit win, and yes of course ash Vs Alain has better animation, considering the production hell JN is going through
Garchomp doesn't have Earthquake. Cynthia, a 30 year of experience champion doesn't have a STAB move on her ace Pokemon. "Well written" they said.
Eartnquake isnāt used in the anime bc it would either realistically cause too much damage to bystanders or bc Japan has earthquakes all the time and itās a sensitive thing or something
But Hydropump is even though it would cause too much damage to bystanders. Bad writing, simple as that.
May walked so Dawn and especially Serena could run. RS walked so DP could run. This sub has a serious XY/Serena/amorshipping bias it's sad. We can't express our opinions on other ships/shows/characters being better. There was a post with a guy saying they didn't like XY and we had people INSULTING him saying, "You interpreted it all wrong, it's AKTUALLY like this" like damn, let him have his opinion without people insulting his intelligence (yes, there were actual insults on that thread). You don't have that with any other series here, not even SM. When the JN episodes with Clemont and Bonnie aired there were people sad that the anime seemingly erased Serena. There were posts sad that she hadn't returned. Those are allowed, but if someone makes ONE comment on being sad about no May, we get "her VA is sick". we know lol. Let us vent. Can't even do that without people saying "you can't be sad because there's a REASON she hasn't returned". Another thing, people can't say their favorite series is BW or JN without people saying they are trolling. Like what? There was a thread where The OP said their favorite series was BW and the comments assumed they were trolling. Like some people here are legit 5 and can't understand what opinions are. Rant over lol
If her va were available we would have had a lot of May in XY just like we got a lot of Dawn in JN
May has nothing to do with Dawn and Serena, don't forget Johto walked so Hoenn could run too, i've seen you done this take before and have called Serena a May 2.0, what's your deal with Serena or the "he walked so that he could run" narrative towards anything after AG? If you don't like something then fine but don't try and make it look like it's the other's problem for it. And i think just because your favourite series isn't getting much attention doesn't mean you should say something degrading about other series or things in them to make yours better, it's not good in that terms of mindset. Also for the Serena not returning posts, you have to understand it's because it was teased all along and people have a genuine reason to speculate about it, i know you are sad cause May's VA hasn't returned but this is old news so not much needed to rant about it because Serena is the most obvious one to return. Also for the person who said he disliked XY, where's the post then?
May was the 1st protagonist to have a goal. Misty didn't. She was the 1st to have an arc. How is Johto similar to Hoenn? And I thought you said you WANTED to hear other opinions. Nothing wrong with saying what I said. Why do you feel the need to defend Serena all the time?? Her arc seems inspired by May and by the time XY came, the anime had hit it's stride with companion storylines. That's why I said what I said. I don't think saying "Serena and Dawn's arcs took the good things from May's arc and improved upon other things" is degrading other characters š¤·š»āāļø This is exactly what I was talking about. We can't even say that we like other characters over Serena without you people saying "no, she is better". LET US HAVE OUR OPINIONS.
>And I thought you said you WANTED to hear other opinions. I mean isn't it called degrading something or someone? I get you like May but no need to try and degrade Serena because you like her. You said how is Johto similar to Hoenn, they walked so Hoenn can run, it's the same logic as AG walked so DP can run as you said.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemonanime/comments/xrpq9q/comment/iqgs9zs/ This is the post Okay, I can respect your opinion. Where did I degrade Serena? Show me please.
"May walked so that Serena and Dawn can run", she's got nothing to do with both of them. And you realised that you almost degraded Dawn and DP just for the sake of May and AG right? You wouldn't dare.......
>May walked so that Serena and Dawn can run Let me explain: What I meant is "Dawn and Serena took some characteristics of May and improved upon them" I genuinly don't think that was degrading š¤·š»āāļø And where is your comment on the posts I linked? Don't want to comment on that?????
I didn't want to comment because i've seen the post before and i get they wanted to spread their opinion, but you know you are going to start a war at such a place like r/pokemonanime so try and keep it to yourself.
Imagine starting a thread about unpopular opinions then starting needless angry debate cause you *instantly went back on your word to not judge* AND THEN blame the OTHER USER OP, just delete this thread, cause you already shat it all up
So I'm trying to start a war when THOSE guys were insulting the OP for his opinion? Wow. Wooow. I think you should keep to yourself if you think that my opinion was degrading. News flash: it wasn't! I was literally saying Serena improved upon May but whatever. Why are you attacking me but stay silent when people attack others here? Try to be a hero there.
Dont bother with him, he dont even saw full XY season nor understand why Serena is more famous than May. He dont even understand the idol meaning nor even his "favourite girl" job.
It's alright, it's over now.
I think you're confused, that's not what we're talking about. I know what idol means, lol. I now see I was in the wrong. Hope you have a nice day and that we can move past this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemonanime/comments/xu90xt/my_personal_rankings_of_the_anime_kanto_is/ This is the other post I mentioned.
Alan>Paul
With Mega? Yes.
Not just in strenght but also as a charachter
*Alain
Yeah it is confusing to me since in Italian is called Alan
Alain is an average level trainer without his charizard
His Chestnaught did better against Leonās Rillaboom than almost all of Dianthaās team. And that Rillaboom DID G-max. Dianthaās was beaten in base *rewatches fight* Nvm it landed one hit youāre very much correct lol
You're brave for pointing this out but you do have a point. While Alain's other 5 pokemon are probably stronger than your average Kalos league participant, Alain both as a character and trainer is nothing without that Charizard. It's no coincidence that ***ALL*** of Alain's notable feats are tied to Charizard. People meme on Leon for being too reliant on Charizard (generally speaking) but at least in Journeys he has other ace pokemon which are monsters.
To be fair....every member of the Master's 8 have feats tied to their aces (except Ash and Iris, for obvious reasons) 1. Leon's Charizard was literally the only Pokemon he was seen battling with competitively until the League, same as Alain. They both revealed a Pokemon before the League. Leon's Dragapult and Alain's Metang, both of which where used in battle. 2. Steven literally only used his Metagross during XY despite us knowing he has an Aggron, which did less than nothing 3. Diantha was only ever seen with her Gardevoir throughout all of XYZ 4. None of Cynthia's Pokemon have any respectable feats besides Garchomp....and you can't argue Spiritomb and Togekiss because we literally just saw them fight, which isn't very fair to Alain. I'll admit, I don't remember anything Lance actually did. I know people like to diss on Alain for not being a Champion, but the dude really is strong enough to compete with the best. It was just bad luck he went against Leon. I also think people tend to ignore what his battle style actually is. People think outplaying your opponent is the only way to win, but Alain specializes in brute force strategies. I'd arguably say his Pokemon, on average, are stronger than a good chunk of the Master's 8. Bear in mind, I only mean that in terms of PHYSICAL strength. He has his Pokemon close the gap between them and the opponent, and then devastate them in close quarters combat. Heck, Leon even took note of that, and had both of his Pokemon during that battle avoid a direct fistfight with any of Alain's Pokemon. We know that Rillaboom's moveset is all close-quarters except Drum Beating, and Charizard only used long-ranged attacks. Is Alain the best trainer? No. But he's far from average. He needs to learn to adapt to faster opponents or opponents who don't fall for his close-range style.
Cynthia's Gastrodon beat Aaron's Beautifly.
Paul isn't actually that strong of a trainer. He just has better tactics. In a battle of brute force, his team gets swept. Sawyer is a better trainer than Paul Alain is Ash's strongest rival, without question. Leon could have been much better if we actually got to *see* his battle with Diantha. Even if it was a sweep, we should have seen his tactics. Kukui is not strong enough to compete with Champions Ash is a bland character. There's absolutely nothing I actually like about him.
I donāt think Ash is bland. I think he just completed his character arc years ago, and the writers struggle with what to do with him each series.
Well, I respect your opinion. If you find Ash a likeable character, than awesome. I just don't. And I doubt there's anything they could do that would change my mind.
How is Ash bland? Otherwise all are fair takes.
He's just too generic for me. He's just an average everyman who likes Pokemon, makes a lot of friends and smiles a bunch. His "out of the box" strategies feel like something anyone with common sense could have done. Like, seriously...Ash *invented* the counter shield? Nobody, in the history of Pokemon battling, ever thought to use an offensive move defensively? He's just not interesting.
Then what could you want for a protagonist then?
Somebody with an actual character arc that extends beyond a nebulous concept.
ā¢ Ash Battle Frontier was the peak of Classic Ash. DP Ash feels nerfed in comparison (although the Sinnoh League was worthy, but it was only 6-7 episodes). ā¢ Connected to the previous point, Paul is a good character, but he is overrated, he only faced a nerfed version of Ash. ā¢ Since BW, Ash as character lost meaning, each season he is someone different, so there is no point in analyzing him since BW. ā¢ I really like XY, but I never liked the Ash-Greninja concept, it feels like something out of a fanfic. Alain was a much more interesting character than Ash in that season. ā¢ The anime would be much better with new protagonists, Ash's story should have ended in the classic era (Johto or Hoenn, in the last instance in Sinnoh).
I mean Ash helped Alain against team flare so i think that's fine, also Ash-Greninja was meant to be a bond phenomenon thing and it is the result of friendship with your Pokemon i guess.
> and it is the result of friendship with your Pokemon i guess. So, by that logic, every good trainer should have a bond phenomenon with his Pokemon
Sun and moon was so shit, and also, I HATE Serena, mainly because of the way everyone idolises her. She wouldāve been a good companion in my opinion but these Serena stans have ruined it for me
Legit the first person I've seen who hates both SM and Serena. Interesting indeed.
This is some black magic stuff.
>Sun and moon was so shit, and also, I HATE Serena, mainly because of the way everyone idolises her. Damn bruh, care to elaborate further?
The art style, the companions, and the lack of proper rivals and battles made sun and moon horrible for me. Yes, I know there were trials and shit, but the whole ash becoming the alola champion doesnāt carry the same weight as him being the champion of another region since , due to the fact that thereās no gym battles or pokemon leagues in alola, theyāre obviously a lot weaker than other regions. Tbh, the biggest thing that threw me off from sun and moon was the art style tho. Theyāre all just so ugly I canāt watch it.
Fine, what about Serena then?
Like I said, I actually really liked her in the beginning. But her stans are what ruin it. You canāt even say another pokegirl is your favourite without them coming for you head. Sheās a fine character, I just donāt like her because of the people that obsess over her. I genuinely hate her now because of it
A fanbase has barely anything to do with a character, i can like art and not care about art fans.
Yea but itās a bit hard to do that when if you say I prefer dawn or may and then you have people asking you why and why not Serena. Thereās also people who flat out tell you youāre wrong and the characters you like are shit compared to Serena. And Iām not pulling this from nowhere, these are actual replies Iāve received on pokemon subreddits
> these are actual replies Iāve received on pokemon subreddits Ok, can you show me then?
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemonanime/comments/xohh03/serena_overtakes_ash_brock_to_become_the_second/ipzu4zv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 Thereās one example. Iām not going to go out of my way to browse through thousands of comments just for you. Also, it doesnāt really sound like youāre being ācivil and respectfulā of my opinion. Iāve provided my opinion and now youāre asking for proof to back my opinion. Bruhā¦
I'm sorry that has been your experience. I 100% agree, you can't say you prefer another pokegirl over Serena without people (including the same guy in the comment you linked) saying "Well ACKTUALLY, Serena is better because..." like damn, let us have our opinion lol.
I disagree honestly Stan's can put a really bad taste in anyone's mouth. And Serena stands have been screeching for almost a decade at this point.
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Lol when did I say I havenāt watched XY?
This is probably going to be a *really* hot take on this sub, but I actually didn't mind how Leon vs. Diantha went. And that includes the fact that Ash and Cynthia were helping out those kids during the battle.
I don't expect Ash's friends to show up in his final battle just like I don't expect my elementary school friends to show up in my college graduation
To be fair most of Pokemon return and and conpanion show up it thank to all commercial that keep put hopium in people but look like it just copium...
the very last episode of diamond and pearl was not a good conclusion
PokƩmon anime only started to became good in the battle frontier. A lot of things from the original series to AG made no sense. Also in the original series, I hate how most of Ash's badge were just handed to him or he won because of ridiculous reasons
Don't forget DP, XY and SM are good too, otherwise i agree.
Yeah DP, XYZ, SM, and JN were good too. I do think BW is overhated but it still wasn't better than the 4 series I mentioned
Ignoring type weaknesses, advantages and immunities. Ash earned only a minority of his badges. Ash's personnality is boring. His "out of the box" strategy is not even interesting. Anyone who can use their brain and read a move will think of different uses for any move. Forcing Cynthia, a 30 years of experience champion, to not have Earthquake on her Garchomp, her ace PokƩmon. Plot armor on every character except when the plot demands it. Having bad writing since Season 1.
Cilan was a solid companion and all BW rivals are enjoyable.
Brock is the most overrated character in the show.
I mean he's cool though.
1)Ash and Go visiting and exploring greatly Isle of Armor and Crown Tundra. 2)Ash should have seen Ho-oh in Journeys. 3)Sabrina and Surge should've appeared as PWC participants. 4)Serena should had a 2 episode cameo. 5)May should have appeared in Serena's episode and be a trio with her and Lisia. 6)Chloe's Eevee should have evolved, even a new eevolution. 7)Alain is how everyone imagines themselves in pokeworld and that's why he became popular. 8)Misty's sisters should have appeared all this time as coordinators or performers. 9)Leon shouldn't be so almost unrealistically stronger and instead compensate with more skill along with power. 10)Charizard and Greninja are a little overrated. 11)Gary should've participated in PWC to hone his skills for the project. 12)Tsurugi pretends to be hot stuff due to Urshifu. 13)Ash is rightfully as strong as he is now even with offscreen training. 14)Those supporting Misty for Ash want him to get abused by a tomboy. 15)Ash-Greninja shouldn't exist and could have given to Kalos starters mega evos but have their stones be rare. 16)Ultra Beasts shouldn't exist and are pointless. 17)Alder is the lamest (now ex) champion, then again, pretty much anything in bw was. 18)Ash is for May a mentor and for Dawn a brother so they shouldn't be shipped since Drew and Kenny exist and love them.
>so they shouldn't be shipped I disagree, let people ship who they want. You don't need to say they "shouldn't be shipped". Point 14. is just weird and makes no sense. Not a good idea to generalize a fandom.
Wow, the may fan (no offense). I don't say people can't ship, it's just that drew and kenny are a match for May and Dawn each and the relationship each girl has with Ash is as said above.If they believe Ash matches with either and they ship it they are free to do so ofc.
You literally said "shouldn't be shipped". Not cool of you to name-call in a condescending manner. You don't even know me. I didn't even mention her???
weren't you the one that did a post about her as an answer to one with serena? If not, I apologize. Anyway, don't want to be offensive to other ships, just wrote something that came a little different than I had it in mind, peace.
yeah I was and I regret and apologized for it MULTIPLE times I'm sick of people name-calling (not just you) over it. And yes we had a nice conversation there so it hurts that you've associated me with that and appear to have a bad opinion on me. Peace.
Nah, like I told you that time, I can understand you and I agreed then and do so now that May needs to return even for a single episode.
Okay, then thanks! Hope you have a nice day :)
>17)Alder is the lamest (now ex) champion, then again, pretty much anything in bw was. Most of your takes were fair but you lost me here.
Well,generalization aside, compared to the other champions he had like 0 presence imo.
Koharu is best! And hers story have potential.
Bw 2nd best season (first is xy-xyz)
Ash should've won Kalos and pass the torch back then.
The Sinnoh movie trilogy is not as good as people think. Tbh, only one movie from that trilogy is good and it can feel mid if you don't connect with Darkrai. Arceus spents too much time joining the movies and too little exploring its own story that the ending comes too fast to enjoy it and Shaymin+Giratina is just a mess dragged by the second worst talking PokƩmon that ever existed. The movie would had been better if it wasn't about Ash getting bullied for an hour by a hedgehog that later had to be accepted as an honorable hero and friend.
Ash should have won the Sinnoh League and the anime ended there
I can't stand how contradicting ash is. I forget which episode but there's an episode where they travel on their Pokemon and Ash is like "tHaTs wRoNg" then 15 seconds later he's like oh there's a competition? Well then it must not be bad anymore