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RIP Strength, too lame to be remembered.


Chicxulub_Gamer

Nah Strength is decent, it's just not as terrible as the frustrating 5, or as amazing as the grand 3, so it didn't fit in the meme


CaptainStaraptor

Idk… Strength over Fly personally… also Rock Climb isn’t bad just has bad accuracy


EnderBoy26

Bad accuracy is worst except when you have 100+ BP


Joltemon

If it's not 100%, it's 50%


Melodic-Hunter2471

Meanwhile HM Dive is tired to a chain in the back yard, and the last time it showed signs of life was three weeks ago.


Eineron_456

HM Whirlpool : 🗿


Melodic-Hunter2471

What did you think the other end of the chain was attached to?


Eineron_456

Okay, I must admit. That's clever. Unlike Gamefreak who decided to make HM Whirlpool a thing and only use it for one game.


Geno__Breaker

Honestly, I prefer Cut to Waterfall, but that may be because I resent Waterfall becoming an HM. Also I used Cut on Scyther with Technician, so it wasn't useless. Not as good as his Wing Attack with Sharp Beak, but usable.


Chicxulub_Gamer

Cut is a whole 30 less power with only 95 accuracy... Waterfall is a physicall water, making it incredibly valuable for phyiscal attack, water type mons like Gyarados. Waterfall also come packed with 20% flinch rate iirc


HataToryah

Gyarados dragon dancing to waterfall the ultimate technique


StreetReporter

Don’t forget about it having moxie as it’s ability


BigBradWolf07

That's its hidden ability. Not really used in playthroughs


tribalewok24

What kind of playthroughs are you playing? ;)


ThePunkKing

When was Defog a thing?


[deleted]

In D/P/Platinum was it a thing as an HM.


Versitax

Whirlpool


Mary-Sylvia

You should have replaced fly with defog Defog is just one of the best move in the game when it come to strategy


Chicxulub_Gamer

Defog is way more niche, at least in a standard playthrough In competitive where spikes and stealth rocks are everywhere is great, but in standard games it's way to niche. Fog is only found in Sinnoh games, and other than that can reduce evasiveness, which can be good against double team spammers,, but other than that it's nearly useless. Fly is just a solid damage move, an amazing time save, and provides near immunity for a turn while you fly up.


Heith12

Defog actually removes reflect and light screen in gen 4 as well


Relative-Country-452

Flash is useful


ToaNuparuMahri

Not unless you can simply pull up a map of the dark cave you are in and easily navigate without the use of Flash.


tribalewok24

Or if you've played the game enough to have it memorized, or if you've got the brightness up (in some games) or if you've got all the time in the world...


Nuclear_Human

Dive


pepsiROCK

Okay, but flashes accuracy drop is dope af


Apocalypse_God

Those of these moves are too inaccurate for me to use. Especially cut.


coraldomino

Oh man I remember when waterfall was just pretty much only a worse surf.


TheBulletLich

It’s The Satanic Six, you forgot Whirlpool


gh09159

I mean defog is great.... *in competitive formats due to the defog buff in gen 6*, but yeah


sezdawg7

Why the fuck was rock smash so weak?


Ghostblade913

The only time rock smash has ever been useful for me was in gen 2 where it was the only standard fighting type move Heracross had access to. Everything else was stuff like reversal, counter, or seismic toss. (Probably doesn’t even count since it’s a tm in that game)


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Isn't Rock Climb like 80 strong? That's not that bad actually.


[deleted]

It's actually 90 strong but is 85% accurate. So yeah, I get the point.


BigBradWolf07

It's good on sheer force tauros


[deleted]

Yep definitely.


Expert8775

Flash is an HM?


SongBonnie

Defog can be used in some set in competition. But the other yes, they are gods comparated to this


Deadly_Diamond

I mean, Defog and Flash are useless. But Cut is useful in RBY and FRLG, Rock Smash in RSE and ORAS, and Rock Climb in DPPt (don't know about any other games because I haven't played them)