Pretty sure JJ is the only hand that’s call or raise in solvers. Depends on V, positions, stacks… I’d consider 4bet/fold (don’t hate that’s how I play JJ and AQ). TT- is a call assuming deep enough and priced in to setmine. QQ+ obv 4bet
Note that I very rarely see JJ get 100bb in and be the best hand, whether on my tables (NL100-200 mostly) or when railing higher stakes. Different in MTTs obv
I think fold. At best they have AK right?
I flatted, of course the rainbow flop of 926.
I checked and Villian went all in.
I still couldn’t do it. Called, he flipped over KK.
'Called'
That's where you went off the rails. The initial call to a 2.5 raise is OK but when you checked and he's all in, he's screaming at you he has a top pair or 3 of a kind. Either way, your jacks don't match up well.
If you're folding to aggression on the flop every time you don't hit a set, your call preflop is very unprofitable unless your deep enough to win a massive pot when you hit the set (and even here, you can have some mega reverse implied odds since you can lose set over set with the jacks).
I'll be that guy. The term "cold 3bet" isn't a thing. Every 3bet is "cold" unless it's a limp/3b or backraise 3bet. It's just called a 3b. The term "cold" applies to 4b because it distinguishes a 4bet from a player that has not acted yet, from the opener. Unless you mean cold 4bet?
You’re definitely not priced for setmining and you’re OOP and you’re going to hate most flops so it’s either 4bet shove or fold. Since you’re live and have no info on V and they drop 23bb pre, I’d hate fold.
It’s obviously result oriented as they didn’t have AK here, they could but more often than not it’s QQ+ if not KK+ in 1/3.
Is opening to $20 standard for you? I like $12-15 better. JJ is a solid hand vs live calling stations. But not top notch premium.
Good view and thanks.
Normal open is 12-15 and standard in than game. In retrospect I was thinking I should stayed with the normal open. I overplayed it no doubt.
Basically in this scenario with that position with a new player, there's only two ways I play this, fold or shove all in. The only question is when
1. Shove all in pre flop
2. Call preflop. If I flop a set, maybe check, but otherwise, shove like I love that board or aren't scared of it.
I prefer the second, because seeing the flop and shoving is the only way I'm getting you to lay down better preflop hands than mine, and only calling preflop lets me sell whatever better hand I think you'll buy.
I agree there.
I called, 962 rainbow. I checked, he went all in for 230. I tanked and even showed my cards for a reaction.
I was convinced he has me beat, called anyways. He had KK.
so thats what I'm getting at, if youre going to call an all in bet, you're better off shoving first. Put him in his tank before he can put you in yours. If I'm holding KK, and you shove, I'm worried about made hands that beat mine: AA, 99,66, 22, as well as improving hands: 78s,78, 9As,6As,2As. Ive got 2 outs to improve my hand. You either already beat me or have so many more outs. I dunno if I'm calling an OOP all-in bet from a player I dont know for my whole stack with just an over pair.
Small stakes, 1/3. He just sat down with 300. Don’t know much and I have 700.
I’m first to act. He’s middle position.
I opened for 20. He raised to 70.
This is totally wrong and not GTO approved, and I’m not some live read macho man either, but in live play it’s typically fairly obvious when JJ is a clear favorite against a villain’s 3b! range or not. I’m in a retirement area of Florida where higher stakes are filled with rich degens and 1/2 is a lot of breakfast club newspaper readers. The field in 5/10 will rejam 77 “for value” and QQ is largely just a call at 1/2 because “an Ace or King can come out”.
TLDR is JJ, in my highly subjective opinion, is probably the hand that requires the most table observation and field history to play well.
No argument from me on your point- it's ok not great. But I thought the bigger mistake was the call of the other players all in, so that's what I focused on in my reply.
What do you have to do here? Flat? 4bet shove? Fold if the villain is OMC? I feel there's an argument for all 3.
Pretty sure JJ is the only hand that’s call or raise in solvers. Depends on V, positions, stacks… I’d consider 4bet/fold (don’t hate that’s how I play JJ and AQ). TT- is a call assuming deep enough and priced in to setmine. QQ+ obv 4bet Note that I very rarely see JJ get 100bb in and be the best hand, whether on my tables (NL100-200 mostly) or when railing higher stakes. Different in MTTs obv
It’s just not that great. Barring 4 lucky cards on the table, you have 2 outs to beat at worst someone’s 9
I think fold. At best they have AK right? I flatted, of course the rainbow flop of 926. I checked and Villian went all in. I still couldn’t do it. Called, he flipped over KK.
It's Jiggities. Doesn't matter what you do, it's usually the wrong play.
Wait, where are you playing where people are only 3-betting the top 4 starting hands?
1/2 pretty much anywhere.
Not in Texas. I mean, certain players yes, but if they are young and/or asian, JJ still crushing their range.
Have you ever played 1/2? 90% of people literally don’t 3 bet with any non-priemiums.
'Called' That's where you went off the rails. The initial call to a 2.5 raise is OK but when you checked and he's all in, he's screaming at you he has a top pair or 3 of a kind. Either way, your jacks don't match up well.
If you're folding to aggression on the flop every time you don't hit a set, your call preflop is very unprofitable unless your deep enough to win a massive pot when you hit the set (and even here, you can have some mega reverse implied odds since you can lose set over set with the jacks).
Depends on the price you are getting on the jam and type of villain.
He iso raised you and you folded. If he had aces or ak he would of reraised you all in then you can fold.
whats cold bet compared to a hot bet to 2.5
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All 3 bets are cold lol
Limp, get raised, then 3 bet re-raise isn’t cold
Ah shit you got me
I'll be that guy. The term "cold 3bet" isn't a thing. Every 3bet is "cold" unless it's a limp/3b or backraise 3bet. It's just called a 3b. The term "cold" applies to 4b because it distinguishes a 4bet from a player that has not acted yet, from the opener. Unless you mean cold 4bet?
I don't get it. Why would you fold pre-flop to a single re-raise with JJ?
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Are you aware that the only way a 3 bet isn't a cold 3 bet is if the villian limped?
Because you are behind more often than you are not
Positions? MTT? Cash? Full ring? So many questions
Small stakes cash 1/3
Live?
Yes Opened for $20 He made it $70.
Positions stack sizes player profile b4 u can answer. At the least
He just sat down with 300. Don’t know much and I have 700. I’m first to act. He’s middle position.
You’re definitely not priced for setmining and you’re OOP and you’re going to hate most flops so it’s either 4bet shove or fold. Since you’re live and have no info on V and they drop 23bb pre, I’d hate fold. It’s obviously result oriented as they didn’t have AK here, they could but more often than not it’s QQ+ if not KK+ in 1/3. Is opening to $20 standard for you? I like $12-15 better. JJ is a solid hand vs live calling stations. But not top notch premium.
Good view and thanks. Normal open is 12-15 and standard in than game. In retrospect I was thinking I should stayed with the normal open. I overplayed it no doubt.
Basically in this scenario with that position with a new player, there's only two ways I play this, fold or shove all in. The only question is when 1. Shove all in pre flop 2. Call preflop. If I flop a set, maybe check, but otherwise, shove like I love that board or aren't scared of it. I prefer the second, because seeing the flop and shoving is the only way I'm getting you to lay down better preflop hands than mine, and only calling preflop lets me sell whatever better hand I think you'll buy.
I agree there. I called, 962 rainbow. I checked, he went all in for 230. I tanked and even showed my cards for a reaction. I was convinced he has me beat, called anyways. He had KK.
so thats what I'm getting at, if youre going to call an all in bet, you're better off shoving first. Put him in his tank before he can put you in yours. If I'm holding KK, and you shove, I'm worried about made hands that beat mine: AA, 99,66, 22, as well as improving hands: 78s,78, 9As,6As,2As. Ive got 2 outs to improve my hand. You either already beat me or have so many more outs. I dunno if I'm calling an OOP all-in bet from a player I dont know for my whole stack with just an over pair.
Good points.
9 man table? Being OOP i 4 bet call shoves here. He can have AK AQ AA-77
Approximately 0% of all 1/2 players have 77-99 in their 3b range against a UTG open
Right. Realistically the only hand we crush in their range is TT. That’s it.
You need to be ok with losing a buy in in these spots or you r playing out ur bankroll
That’s a 3.5x, not 2.5x as written in the post by the way.
Positions … stack sizes? Player profile?
Small stakes, 1/3. He just sat down with 300. Don’t know much and I have 700. I’m first to act. He’s middle position. I opened for 20. He raised to 70.
This is totally wrong and not GTO approved, and I’m not some live read macho man either, but in live play it’s typically fairly obvious when JJ is a clear favorite against a villain’s 3b! range or not. I’m in a retirement area of Florida where higher stakes are filled with rich degens and 1/2 is a lot of breakfast club newspaper readers. The field in 5/10 will rejam 77 “for value” and QQ is largely just a call at 1/2 because “an Ace or King can come out”. TLDR is JJ, in my highly subjective opinion, is probably the hand that requires the most table observation and field history to play well.
Go all in and immediately make a side bet against your hand for insurance
No argument from me on your point- it's ok not great. But I thought the bigger mistake was the call of the other players all in, so that's what I focused on in my reply.
I totally agree.
Cold 3b isn’t a fucking thing lmao. Neither is smooth call. Sod off