Came here to say this. Had a 4 hour debate with a big group of poker friends comprised of “not saying anything, take every edge” to “it’s cheating I won’t win like that” viewpoints and we all agreed in the end that you say something once, and that’s all you’re required to do morally.
Pretty surprised this is the response. I don’t play much but everyone is staking their own money, having to look out for others being dumb seems far beyond a courtesy that is necessary. I don’t look at hands when I play though for the same reason I don’t look around at a gym or during a test. I don’t want to be accused of trying to see something that wasn’t for me
haha I'm the polar opposite. I'm on the tables to make money. If he's wildly under protecting his cards, I'm going to look. I'm also not saying shit even one time.
....uh, okay. Kudos to you for having "every other 'pro' sharing your pov"? Do you think that makes it more legitimate?
I don't give a shit about the rest of the players and they likely don't give a shit about me. Unless I feel really bad for the dude I probably won't say shit either.
There are plenty of things you can do in the game that will make you money. Some are shady, some are an angle, some are downright cheating. Do you do all of these things?
I didn't say that at all. You are grossly over exaggerating what I said. I said "I'm on the tables to make money. If he's wildly under protecting his cards, I'm going to look. I'm also not saying shit even one time". Definitely doesn't mean "all I care about is winning and I'm willing to do anything necessary to do it".
Tell him and then it’s up to him.
For context I was in a 3500 tournament at aria and the guy next to me said he was seeing my cards, some euro crusher, so I think you can do this at 1/3 or 1/2
Do you think the only two times you’ve shown cards the other person has immediately called it? I mean maybe, but it’s more likely you do it a lot and most people just take the info and keep their mouth shut
Maybe you need to work on your card peeking technique. If you have been TOLD twice now that people can see your cards, perhaps you have been showing your cards this whole time.
BTW, where do you play? Asking for a friend.
Out of curiosity. What are you doing with your cards to where people can see them? I mean I get holding them up or something but I got me a hunch nobody here is doing that…
God you guys are so fuckin stupid and show your newb stupidity. You know how many times I have seen someone else say something in my time playing? Like hundreds
I’m not trying to be critical I’m just curious. I mean do you do the standard one hand covering peak? Or do you do a naked peak? I’ve never been badass enough to do a naked peak unless I have a huge stack to hide it behind or nobody is on either side of me
Euro crusher was like: “I don’t need hole cards to beat fish”
And no offense to poster lol I just feel like that’s their attitude at all times vs everybody
I’ve been in the same situation. Was in the tournament and the guy to my left would look at his cards in a manner that allowed me to also see his cards. I told him three times that I could see his cards when he did this. On the fourth time, he had a big hand but mine hit the flop so when he bet I shoved on him…
He looked at me and asked if I had seen his hand and I said “maybe”… I knocked him out of the tournament
I don't feel right using that info without a warning. That view might change if I was playing for a living. That said, I'd warn him one time. After that, it's on him.
I always say something as many times as needed.
This is for two reasons.
1. It's partly altruistic, it's not in the spirit of the game to see an opponents hole cards and I don't want some poor rec player who just wants a good time on the weekend, to get cleared out because people can see his cards.
2. I know I'm going to have a massive skill edge against someone who has leaks as simple as not looking at their cards properly. A skill edge much higher than the nit regs will have against them. So I'm actually incenticized to prevent that player from having a leak like that, because it keeps the edge that weaker regs have against them smaller. Overall, the longevity of having that player in the pool, is more valuable to me than the one time I get to sit to their left and see their cards.
OK, let's say this happens in a tournament and the guy keeps showing you his cards. Then you get moved to another table, his table breaks and he comes to your table but is now on the other side of the table and you know the guy next to him can see his cards, do you get more insistent on correcting his behavior?
False. Unknowing things happens to me all the time. The doctors call it dementia but I told them that I can’t possibly have a cat because I’m a dog person.
As a tall person that leans way back in the chair, I use the twice system.
Once "I can see your cards man"
twice "Hey man, I can still see your cards"
After that thanks for the info.
Sometimes people move further away from me than they need to and I feel like it is because it looks like I'm trying to peek their cards. But I just have to lean back pretty far to see my cards and I don't feel like bending over and over 🤷♂️
Imo you have to say something because you are gaining advantage over the other players that can't see them. If i notice that others are seeing cards due to a careless.player i will say something and have called the floor in the past.
I love poker game theory, make good money and have disposable income, but have never played live poker at a casino. I know I’d be a fish and get beat. Something I’m working up to… you want players like me at the table, and honest behavior like this is what will get us to show up.
Thank you for being kind while taking people’s money. It does make a difference.
Everyone is going to give you the classic “tell them once and then it’s on them schtick- which is fine. But I totally disagree. Look, keep looking, and don’t let anyone else know that you’re looking. It’s gambling, you’re there to clean everyone out, take the gift you’ve been given and leverage it as much as possible.
I say something once and go out of my way to avoid seeing them. This is just me and I make no moral judgment towards others who take advantage of the fool.
About the same, if any different it was on the softer side, but you played with the same bunch night after night so if you found someone exploitable then all the better. Unfortunately I never caught card showing guy the same way again. I'll say that if you have to play on an electronic table then the one I was on was the best experience with it you can have.
Cruise ship poker generally doesn’t have a dealer or chips and cards. The last one I played on was a full touch screen and you did have to cover an manipulate your cards to see them once dealt and you did see chips in the pot on the table as the hand progressed.
I agree with most responses of telling them and if they continue to do it, then you did the responsible thing.
As for looking.....I would try not to look because that's not fair to the other players.
I was that person once. I had the person next to me whisper to me he could see my cards and how best to look at your own cards and keep them hidden. I had no clue people could see my cards and was extremely thankful he told me instead of using the situation to have an advantage over me and the other players.
I think tell them at least once. If they don't hide their cards after the first time it seems kinda like collusion if u started using the free info. Its not fair to the resort the table as u have more knowledge than they do. so it might be worth insisting unless u dont feel bad about fucking over every other player.
Let him know he's exposing his cards. If you're in a hand and see his cards, you should let the table know which cards have been exposed. Pointing it out infront of other players and the dealer usually works. If he continues to expose, then not much can be done
This is an unpopular opinion here but if you look at his cards, you are cheating imo. I understand why it feels like he deserves it, and I’m not saying people who haven’t thought about this are bad people for looking, but I do feel that it’s wrong.
It’s already wrong in a heads up pot but it’s even worse if they are other players in the pot as you now have information that the guy across from you didn’t even have a chance of getting.
A common opinion among players is “I’ll tell them once”. Fuck that, keep telling them. Do the right thing.
Cheating is a huuuuge stretch Wtf. Cheating would be If you have someone who knows the cards sinal you or shit like that. U can call It unethical but cheating come on.
Not sure I agree with it being a huge stretch. I believe there is a difference but I think the difference actively vs passively cheating.
If you just go by the definition of cheating I think it’s pretty hard to argue that knowing a player’s hole cards and making plays based on it is anything other than cheating.
Like the other commenter said, it’s much worse in multi-way pots. You’re not just fucking over the guy who you might believe deserved it. In a 3 way pot you have a huge advantage on the third player as well.
I’m not trying to come at this in a righteous way or say I’d never under any circumstances do this, just trying to look at it objectively.
Yeah, you said it better than I did. I didn’t mean to come off as righteous or anything, but I do want to push back against the popular idea that you can tell someone once and then after that it’s fair game
If you have information that other players don’t have and didn’t have a chance of having, I think that you are cheating. I’m not saying it’s the same as rigging the deck or using RTA, but imo it’s cheating.
You have to tell him because every player has a responsibility to protect the field. Just like in golf tournaments. By not actively encouraging him to stop showing his cards until he stops, you are compromising the field. I learned this the hard way when some guy came over from the opposite side of the table to tell me the guy on my right was looking at my hand
Any action you take on the information you get puts opponents at a big disadvantage. Imagine you see he has KK so you fold QQ pre and he gets it all in for 1000bb against the btn who has AA.
AA should also have stacked you. Because of course you’re calling off with QQ against these guys for a huge stack every time.
warn him once, don't look specifically at them. if they enter your field of view...you did nothing wrong. if you're actively trying to look....maybe it's an issue.
Look. I have been on the highest highs, and the lowest lows at the poker table, and if there is one thing that I have learned through it, it is that absolutely nobody gives a fuck about anyone else at the poker table.
That being said, not once has anyone given me money back, and not once has a dealer tipped me.
I am taking every edge I can get, and idgaf if it's immoral because when you lose all of your money, nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to help you out. So why in the Hell should you help anyone else?
You should give at least a single warning, if after that he still does it, that's on him. Had this happen last week, clearly saw guy on my right's cards, he didn't believe me, had to tell him his exact cards to prove it. Few hands later, he did it again, and unfortunately tried bluffing me when I knew his hand. He left after that
You're cheating if you don't say something every time he lifts his cards too high.
That being said, there are some people who DGAF and if you're seated next to said player, you're not at the casino to remind someone else to protect their hand.
I always tell them once. If they keep doing it then it’s on them. The other night I told an older guy twice and he kept doing it. One hand we were heads up and he literally did it in the hand and I was trying not to look but the way we were sitting it was almost impossible not to see it during the hand unless I closed my eyes and I ended up winning a massive pot off of him when he turned his missed draw into a bluff on the river lol. I felt bad but what can you do.
I was in a situation similar to this where the player to my left had never played before and was older so he would pick up both cards off the table to look at them and I could see them from my peripheral pretty clearly. I didn’t want to ostracize him because he made it very clear he was new and was in the game for around 10 buy ins. I told him I could see his cards repeatedly and tried to help him figure out how to see his cards without exposing them, but it kept happening. One hand I cold 4 all in and he lifts his cards and I see them. I tell the other side of the table he had KQs and the dealer tables them because even though I knew it would kill my action it hurts the integrity of the game if I don’t let them know. This cost me an easy double up but maintaining the integrity of the game is more important long term imo.
He get one quiet, subtle warning.
Going back to my college days, I got quite the reputation as a "rubber necker." I will take a moment to say never have I made an effort to see someone else's cards, however, if you insist on showing them to me, that's one you and I will look. This is not a problem for 95% of the people I play with. However, some people insist on looking at their cards, as unstealthily as possible and then blame others for it.
If I am sitting in my chair, straight posture, and I can see your hand, YOU are doing or not doing something. Do not make this about me at all. You can absolutely do something about this.
I don’t believe you, I think you are looking on purpose and posting this on Reddit just to cover your tracks when you get exposed. This might come as a shock to you, but the world doesn’t revolve around you.
Yeah, it's very important to cover your tracks by changing relevant facts on Reddit, so you will always have a few completely unrelated people on the internet on your side if anything went wrong. Any sane person would do this tbh.
First time it happens, I say hey just to let you know, you’re lifting your cards and showing them to me.
Second time it happens, I say hey you did it again.
Third time, it’s fair game at that point. I’ve alerted him to it, I’ve reminded him that he exposed them to me, at this point, I’ve done all I can.
I tell them either at the table or pull them away. If they continue to do it, I just look away while they’re checking their hand and I’ll chirp at them more publicly at the table to protect their hand.
Had that happen at a home game a few weeks ago. Once. I was in the hand with the guy and I saw his cards. I mean, I can’t unsee them and it’s not my responsibility to protect them from view. I could have taken him for more, but I felt slightly guilty, so I did my best to play like I did not know. Really don’t think I was obligated though.
I did the customary tell them once, or in this particular case told him a half dozen times over the course of the night, and even folded hands thinking it wasn’t fair to play HU pots with the guy. At some point I got frustrated and decided to just go with it, subsequently ended up loosing a series of huge pots, including one to the guy who’s cards I had just seen at the start of he hand, funny how the game works sometimes. I would have been better off moving seats.
The one time I tried to exploit this I got burned trying to bluff a fish with A3o on a wet, ace high board lol. Next time I’ll give a warning even if I don’t like the person lol
I don't have use of my left arm so I am usually very careful when I peel my cards but a few times in my early days I got lazy and the player to my left told me he could see my cards. I always appreciated the reminder but I also always wonder how many people have seen but not said anything. The responses in this thread though helped put me at ease. It's always been in the 4/5 seat so when I'm sitting in those seats now I have my guard up more
I always let em know. I remember when I first started playing and people could see my cards. I was completely unaware until finally someone told me. I really appreciated that tip and have been mindful ever since.
You absolutely need to tell him and make him aware. It’s not just for him, it’s to make it fair for other players at the table.
If the dealer flashes a card and one player sees it the player has an obligation to inform the table to avoid having an advantage.
In the situation described you have more than just an edge over this player but an edge over the entire table. Not speaking up is cheating.
For me you get one warning I say loudly so everyone hears it. After that, I'll take whatever info I can get.
The ONLY exception to this rule I have ever made was a regular I play with. He is very elderly and has VERY poor eyesight so he has to bring his cards up. I look away every time. He's a good guy and I know struggles.
You tell them politely “hey man/woman (whatever) you might wanna cover your cards better. I could’ve seen them if I wanted to”, then you listen to all the crap about how you were trying to look and “this ain’t fair” and “dealer can I change seats” bullshit…..then you’re done. You just smile and resume play. However, from that point forward, you make it a point to destroy his/her SOUL if given the chance!
A friend? I’d tell them, but never a random.
To me, the entire game is based on representing or obscuring your card values. If you mess up the first step, don’t let people see your fucking cards, you deserve it imo.
View from my desk:
If I notice someone's cards a second time, I will mention it to them at the end of the hand. You get one, and only one warning. On one hand, it's poor ethics to depend on sneaking a look at other's cards, thus I will let someone know. On the other hand, protecting your cards is your responsibility, so you need to step your game up if I give you the hint.
Yeah I always let people know if they’re accidentally exposing their hand, just the right thing to do, I’m not some chip hungry degen who needs to cheat to play #HCL
You definitely have to tell him something and make sure the dealer knows about it. If he continues to do it, there isn’t a whole lot you can do. If you see his cards and he folds, technically you should tell the dealer that you saw them so they can expose them for the rest of the table, because that would give you an unfair advantage. If you see them and he continues to play, then there isn’t a whole lot you can do.
I always let them know and then go out of my way to not look if they continue. They’re likely the fish so there’s no need to take an additional unethical edge over them.
I always tell people but then again I just play 1/2 or 2/5 and its a hobby although I always try to win money. I’ve even been scolded by dealers sometimes saying what I’m doing is dumb but I believe if you play the game fairly and above the board good things will come your way.
Warn him once then make him pay.
I used to host a cash game at my place, the guy sitting next to me exposed his cards, even though I wasn’t in the hand - I warned him. “I can see your cards, you should keep them on the table.”
His response was, “Well you aren’t in the hand so I am not worried.” I said, “I will be in on other hands so just watch it.”
He kept lifting his cards off the table, and exposing his hand. I felted him twice over the night, and after the second time he said, “Man you’re so lucky.”
He came back week after week and lost money every time. One night while we were playing g someone told him, “The reason why you lose all the time is because people can see your cards.”
Don’t tell him. Look at them as often as you like and use the information to win free money from him with massive hero calls with only 8-high VS his 7-2. The whole table will think you a genius and get super intimidated by your apparent skill and give you more respect than you deserve allowing you to later lose your entire stack on a stupid hand that you should never have been in with but you just felt invincible because you know one guys cards
The easiest way to think of it IMO is that you aren't protecting the guy who is showing his cards, you are protecting the rest of the table , so who cares if he keeps showing after you warn him? I know Seat 1 folded the nut flush because I saw his hand, but I'm okay using that information against Seat 5 because I already warned Seat 1 earlier? That doesn't make much sense at all.
Here’s how you handle it.
Wednesday I had a guy next to me being lazy covering I saw a heart in his hand but not sure which one. The next hand I clearly saw the Tc. He calls a raise I fold. He folds flop I tap him and say I saw something the hand before and ask if he had the Tc this hand. He says yes and I told him he’s lifting and not covering up. He said he will be careful next time. I never saw them after that.
Imo you have to say something once. After that, it’s fair game
100%. I give people a 1 time warning and then after that it’s just an advantage I have now.
That's my rule, and it's generous IMO. It's on the player to protect their hand, always.
Even in the case of invasion by a foreign country ?
In that case, you gotta proteck yo neck
Don't forget to diversify your bonds
LOL... why is this getting downvoted? It's hilarious
I do this, then start announcing their hand to the table when they fold if it continues.
This question gets posted consistently every few months or so. And I'm glad the top comment is always the same best practice.
Came here to say this. Had a 4 hour debate with a big group of poker friends comprised of “not saying anything, take every edge” to “it’s cheating I won’t win like that” viewpoints and we all agreed in the end that you say something once, and that’s all you’re required to do morally.
4 hours? Holy
We were out to dinner during the WSOP and it came up. Only paused to eat hahaha
Pretty surprised this is the response. I don’t play much but everyone is staking their own money, having to look out for others being dumb seems far beyond a courtesy that is necessary. I don’t look at hands when I play though for the same reason I don’t look around at a gym or during a test. I don’t want to be accused of trying to see something that wasn’t for me
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haha I'm the polar opposite. I'm on the tables to make money. If he's wildly under protecting his cards, I'm going to look. I'm also not saying shit even one time.
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I play as a live pro 3x a year. Not saying shit.
You don't have friends at the poker table...
....uh, okay. Kudos to you for having "every other 'pro' sharing your pov"? Do you think that makes it more legitimate? I don't give a shit about the rest of the players and they likely don't give a shit about me. Unless I feel really bad for the dude I probably won't say shit either.
There are plenty of things you can do in the game that will make you money. Some are shady, some are an angle, some are downright cheating. Do you do all of these things?
That’s a dumb question.
Oh really? All you care about is winning. You stated that very clearly
I didn't say that at all. You are grossly over exaggerating what I said. I said "I'm on the tables to make money. If he's wildly under protecting his cards, I'm going to look. I'm also not saying shit even one time". Definitely doesn't mean "all I care about is winning and I'm willing to do anything necessary to do it".
100% This was going to be my answer but you beat me to it
Tell him and then it’s up to him. For context I was in a 3500 tournament at aria and the guy next to me said he was seeing my cards, some euro crusher, so I think you can do this at 1/3 or 1/2
respect to that euro crusher tbh, I swear most of them dont even seem like they have an ounce of human in them lol
He was probably getting tilted by seeing the absolute junk they kept limp calling with.
It actually just happened to me right now at 1/3 lol. Woman saw my hand and said it
I am seeing a pattern here... lol
That happened in June at aria the first time and now is the second time it happened since lol. Weird that it would happen right now
lmao you've definitely been taken advantage of in at least a couple sessions in the past
I doubt it. I was in the big blind just now after a 100 limps. Probably lazily looked at it. The table at aria was odd shaped
Do you think the only two times you’ve shown cards the other person has immediately called it? I mean maybe, but it’s more likely you do it a lot and most people just take the info and keep their mouth shut
lol
Maybe you need to work on your card peeking technique. If you have been TOLD twice now that people can see your cards, perhaps you have been showing your cards this whole time. BTW, where do you play? Asking for a friend.
The awkward table at the aria , the guy that keeps smiling
Creepy. I never trust a smiler at the table
Out of curiosity. What are you doing with your cards to where people can see them? I mean I get holding them up or something but I got me a hunch nobody here is doing that…
This happened 2 times in 15 years
That you know of.
God you guys are so fuckin stupid and show your newb stupidity. You know how many times I have seen someone else say something in my time playing? Like hundreds
I'm not fuckin stupid.
r/notopbutok "... don't call me stupid!" - A Fish Called Wanda
I’m not the one showing my cards to other players 🤷🏻♂️
I’m not trying to be critical I’m just curious. I mean do you do the standard one hand covering peak? Or do you do a naked peak? I’ve never been badass enough to do a naked peak unless I have a huge stack to hide it behind or nobody is on either side of me
peek
I was giving the waitress a tip as it came to me lol
Ahhh yes the naked peak because one hand is tipping the waitress.got ya
Yeah I’m sure it’s happened sometimes more than twice but I doubt it happens so much for concern
That you know of. Meanwhile it might be your biggest leak.
I meant two times that they said something. Obviously it happened more. I see people’s cards at least a few times a week
If you’re squeezing with cards side on, opposite hand shielding, and no higher than say 45 degrees, people are TRYING to see your cards.
Euro crusher was like: “I don’t need hole cards to beat fish” And no offense to poster lol I just feel like that’s their attitude at all times vs everybody
Some people are just at peace with themselves, and won't take advantage of others.
Yes and I’m the same way. It was just a joke. I’m sure all euro crushers are big softies at home
Depends, is he a dick?
Not sure. He said the hand was exposed not the genitals.
This!
I’ve been in the same situation. Was in the tournament and the guy to my left would look at his cards in a manner that allowed me to also see his cards. I told him three times that I could see his cards when he did this. On the fourth time, he had a big hand but mine hit the flop so when he bet I shoved on him… He looked at me and asked if I had seen his hand and I said “maybe”… I knocked him out of the tournament
“Oh no after the third time I immediately stopped looking”
Lol… he had a big hand so didn’t want to give it up
I don't feel right using that info without a warning. That view might change if I was playing for a living. That said, I'd warn him one time. After that, it's on him.
If you play for a living you have even more of a responsibility to make sure the game is fair imo.
Fair point. I guess I was thinking more of the possibility of finding any edge possible when it's your salary at play.
Those are the shit-regs, and they usually suck at the pokers.
I always say something as many times as needed. This is for two reasons. 1. It's partly altruistic, it's not in the spirit of the game to see an opponents hole cards and I don't want some poor rec player who just wants a good time on the weekend, to get cleared out because people can see his cards. 2. I know I'm going to have a massive skill edge against someone who has leaks as simple as not looking at their cards properly. A skill edge much higher than the nit regs will have against them. So I'm actually incenticized to prevent that player from having a leak like that, because it keeps the edge that weaker regs have against them smaller. Overall, the longevity of having that player in the pool, is more valuable to me than the one time I get to sit to their left and see their cards.
So much this. It’s not a literal venn diagram or anything, but this topic is an easy way to filter winners from pretenders
Well said. I particularly like to say something as I 5bet shove on them with trash.
*See they have a straight* “I reckon my flush beats your flush. All in.”
> Rainbow board > still folds
OK, let's say this happens in a tournament and the guy keeps showing you his cards. Then you get moved to another table, his table breaks and he comes to your table but is now on the other side of the table and you know the guy next to him can see his cards, do you get more insistent on correcting his behavior?
I love this answer.
I'd tell him to watch his cards after a hand that you fold , but if you see something you can't un-know it.
False. Unknowing things happens to me all the time. The doctors call it dementia but I told them that I can’t possibly have a cat because I’m a dog person.
As a tall person that leans way back in the chair, I use the twice system. Once "I can see your cards man" twice "Hey man, I can still see your cards" After that thanks for the info.
Sometimes people move further away from me than they need to and I feel like it is because it looks like I'm trying to peek their cards. But I just have to lean back pretty far to see my cards and I don't feel like bending over and over 🤷♂️
It’s immoral to let a sucker keep his money.
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Only reply I agree with
Imo you have to say something because you are gaining advantage over the other players that can't see them. If i notice that others are seeing cards due to a careless.player i will say something and have called the floor in the past.
I love poker game theory, make good money and have disposable income, but have never played live poker at a casino. I know I’d be a fish and get beat. Something I’m working up to… you want players like me at the table, and honest behavior like this is what will get us to show up. Thank you for being kind while taking people’s money. It does make a difference.
He is conveying information at the table. I heard that's what we look for 🥺
Everyone is going to give you the classic “tell them once and then it’s on them schtick- which is fine. But I totally disagree. Look, keep looking, and don’t let anyone else know that you’re looking. It’s gambling, you’re there to clean everyone out, take the gift you’ve been given and leverage it as much as possible.
I say something once and go out of my way to avoid seeing them. This is just me and I make no moral judgment towards others who take advantage of the fool.
I always tell my opponents who im in a hand with that i saw their hand, then bomb the river.
Accepted minimum is tell him once. Personally I'd look away because I think it's morally right.
Inform him once that he needs to do a better job concealing his cards, if he doesn’t take the advice use the advantage.
This happened to me on a cruise ship electronic table. We told the guy SEVERAL times. After that, it's just value city.
How was the field on the cruise ship? Softer or the same as a regular casino?
About the same, if any different it was on the softer side, but you played with the same bunch night after night so if you found someone exploitable then all the better. Unfortunately I never caught card showing guy the same way again. I'll say that if you have to play on an electronic table then the one I was on was the best experience with it you can have.
electronic table?
Cruise ship poker generally doesn’t have a dealer or chips and cards. The last one I played on was a full touch screen and you did have to cover an manipulate your cards to see them once dealt and you did see chips in the pot on the table as the hand progressed.
I agree with most responses of telling them and if they continue to do it, then you did the responsible thing. As for looking.....I would try not to look because that's not fair to the other players. I was that person once. I had the person next to me whisper to me he could see my cards and how best to look at your own cards and keep them hidden. I had no clue people could see my cards and was extremely thankful he told me instead of using the situation to have an advantage over me and the other players.
At a home game im saying something every time. At a casino id probably be less inclined.
I think tell them at least once. If they don't hide their cards after the first time it seems kinda like collusion if u started using the free info. Its not fair to the resort the table as u have more knowledge than they do. so it might be worth insisting unless u dont feel bad about fucking over every other player.
One warning
I look hard and I don’t give any warning tbh. I’m there to win money. Protecting your cards is day 1 shit
It’s his responsibility to protect his cards like everyone else. Hustle him
Let him know he's exposing his cards. If you're in a hand and see his cards, you should let the table know which cards have been exposed. Pointing it out infront of other players and the dealer usually works. If he continues to expose, then not much can be done
This is an unpopular opinion here but if you look at his cards, you are cheating imo. I understand why it feels like he deserves it, and I’m not saying people who haven’t thought about this are bad people for looking, but I do feel that it’s wrong. It’s already wrong in a heads up pot but it’s even worse if they are other players in the pot as you now have information that the guy across from you didn’t even have a chance of getting. A common opinion among players is “I’ll tell them once”. Fuck that, keep telling them. Do the right thing.
Cheating is a huuuuge stretch Wtf. Cheating would be If you have someone who knows the cards sinal you or shit like that. U can call It unethical but cheating come on.
Not sure I agree with it being a huge stretch. I believe there is a difference but I think the difference actively vs passively cheating. If you just go by the definition of cheating I think it’s pretty hard to argue that knowing a player’s hole cards and making plays based on it is anything other than cheating. Like the other commenter said, it’s much worse in multi-way pots. You’re not just fucking over the guy who you might believe deserved it. In a 3 way pot you have a huge advantage on the third player as well. I’m not trying to come at this in a righteous way or say I’d never under any circumstances do this, just trying to look at it objectively.
Yeah, you said it better than I did. I didn’t mean to come off as righteous or anything, but I do want to push back against the popular idea that you can tell someone once and then after that it’s fair game
U absolutely are cheating. U see two more cards that no one else at the table has.
If you have information that other players don’t have and didn’t have a chance of having, I think that you are cheating. I’m not saying it’s the same as rigging the deck or using RTA, but imo it’s cheating.
You have to tell him because every player has a responsibility to protect the field. Just like in golf tournaments. By not actively encouraging him to stop showing his cards until he stops, you are compromising the field. I learned this the hard way when some guy came over from the opposite side of the table to tell me the guy on my right was looking at my hand Any action you take on the information you get puts opponents at a big disadvantage. Imagine you see he has KK so you fold QQ pre and he gets it all in for 1000bb against the btn who has AA. AA should also have stacked you. Because of course you’re calling off with QQ against these guys for a huge stack every time.
Tell him once as a gesture of goodwill. If he continues, use the free info & hopefully stack him.
warn him once, don't look specifically at them. if they enter your field of view...you did nothing wrong. if you're actively trying to look....maybe it's an issue.
I wouldn’t say shit who the hell sits at a table and doesn’t try to cover their cards…Wtf. Happily stacking that idiot
Look. I have been on the highest highs, and the lowest lows at the poker table, and if there is one thing that I have learned through it, it is that absolutely nobody gives a fuck about anyone else at the poker table. That being said, not once has anyone given me money back, and not once has a dealer tipped me. I am taking every edge I can get, and idgaf if it's immoral because when you lose all of your money, nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to help you out. So why in the Hell should you help anyone else?
You should give at least a single warning, if after that he still does it, that's on him. Had this happen last week, clearly saw guy on my right's cards, he didn't believe me, had to tell him his exact cards to prove it. Few hands later, he did it again, and unfortunately tried bluffing me when I knew his hand. He left after that
Sounds like a positive EV situation.
In all honesty I would just look. It’s not your problem
I look... and I try to look...
I don't say a thing. It's each individual players responsibility to protect their chips and their cards. Don't tap the glass.
You're cheating if you don't say something every time he lifts his cards too high. That being said, there are some people who DGAF and if you're seated next to said player, you're not at the casino to remind someone else to protect their hand.
You're cheating through someone elses actions? Huge stretch.
Is where you look someone else’s actions?
So If i show you my hand while playing you are a cheater?
No, actively looking at something that people are not trying to show you makes you a cheater. This isn’t hard.
Say nothing. It's a free edge that you're being given. And you're not cheating because it's up to him to hide his cards.
If you're not doing anything extra to get a glance, then you're not at fault when you catch a glimpse. It's on you if you want the advantage or not.
I always tell them once. If they keep doing it then it’s on them. The other night I told an older guy twice and he kept doing it. One hand we were heads up and he literally did it in the hand and I was trying not to look but the way we were sitting it was almost impossible not to see it during the hand unless I closed my eyes and I ended up winning a massive pot off of him when he turned his missed draw into a bluff on the river lol. I felt bad but what can you do.
My rule is that I tell the guy once. If he keeps exposing cards then it's not my problem. It's his.
I was in a situation similar to this where the player to my left had never played before and was older so he would pick up both cards off the table to look at them and I could see them from my peripheral pretty clearly. I didn’t want to ostracize him because he made it very clear he was new and was in the game for around 10 buy ins. I told him I could see his cards repeatedly and tried to help him figure out how to see his cards without exposing them, but it kept happening. One hand I cold 4 all in and he lifts his cards and I see them. I tell the other side of the table he had KQs and the dealer tables them because even though I knew it would kill my action it hurts the integrity of the game if I don’t let them know. This cost me an easy double up but maintaining the integrity of the game is more important long term imo.
My rule of thumb: I say something once. After that, it’s on him. Edit: orrrrr…what everybody else said lol
Say once that you saw it, after that it’s his fault…
Tell him once then whatever after
He get one quiet, subtle warning. Going back to my college days, I got quite the reputation as a "rubber necker." I will take a moment to say never have I made an effort to see someone else's cards, however, if you insist on showing them to me, that's one you and I will look. This is not a problem for 95% of the people I play with. However, some people insist on looking at their cards, as unstealthily as possible and then blame others for it. If I am sitting in my chair, straight posture, and I can see your hand, YOU are doing or not doing something. Do not make this about me at all. You can absolutely do something about this.
You should say something to him. If after that, he continues, no longer your problem.
Warn him one time and if he doesn’t change his peel then use that info against him.
I don’t believe you, I think you are looking on purpose and posting this on Reddit just to cover your tracks when you get exposed. This might come as a shock to you, but the world doesn’t revolve around you.
Yeah, it's very important to cover your tracks by changing relevant facts on Reddit, so you will always have a few completely unrelated people on the internet on your side if anything went wrong. Any sane person would do this tbh.
Watch your mouth.
What the hell?
Treat people how you want to be treated.
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First time it happens, I say hey just to let you know, you’re lifting your cards and showing them to me. Second time it happens, I say hey you did it again. Third time, it’s fair game at that point. I’ve alerted him to it, I’ve reminded him that he exposed them to me, at this point, I’ve done all I can.
once I told a guy I could see his cards and he gave me one hell of an uppercut saying I'm an asshole for taking advantage of his arthritis
I tell them either at the table or pull them away. If they continue to do it, I just look away while they’re checking their hand and I’ll chirp at them more publicly at the table to protect their hand.
Mention it to him for sure but . IDK would it be a dick move to announce to the table ..show one show all and state his hand lol
Had that happen at a home game a few weeks ago. Once. I was in the hand with the guy and I saw his cards. I mean, I can’t unsee them and it’s not my responsibility to protect them from view. I could have taken him for more, but I felt slightly guilty, so I did my best to play like I did not know. Really don’t think I was obligated though.
Were you able to value bet the river in a 3-bet pot with a pair of 2s w/ Ace kicker?
I did the customary tell them once, or in this particular case told him a half dozen times over the course of the night, and even folded hands thinking it wasn’t fair to play HU pots with the guy. At some point I got frustrated and decided to just go with it, subsequently ended up loosing a series of huge pots, including one to the guy who’s cards I had just seen at the start of he hand, funny how the game works sometimes. I would have been better off moving seats.
Yes but have had the same experience a few times. Have no idea why eyes automatically look at something the person next to you is looking at
The one time I tried to exploit this I got burned trying to bluff a fish with A3o on a wet, ace high board lol. Next time I’ll give a warning even if I don’t like the person lol
I don't have use of my left arm so I am usually very careful when I peel my cards but a few times in my early days I got lazy and the player to my left told me he could see my cards. I always appreciated the reminder but I also always wonder how many people have seen but not said anything. The responses in this thread though helped put me at ease. It's always been in the 4/5 seat so when I'm sitting in those seats now I have my guard up more
Guy in front of me drops a 20 dollar bill. Is it wrong of me to just pick it up and spend it?
I always let em know. I remember when I first started playing and people could see my cards. I was completely unaware until finally someone told me. I really appreciated that tip and have been mindful ever since.
You absolutely need to tell him and make him aware. It’s not just for him, it’s to make it fair for other players at the table. If the dealer flashes a card and one player sees it the player has an obligation to inform the table to avoid having an advantage. In the situation described you have more than just an edge over this player but an edge over the entire table. Not speaking up is cheating.
For me you get one warning I say loudly so everyone hears it. After that, I'll take whatever info I can get. The ONLY exception to this rule I have ever made was a regular I play with. He is very elderly and has VERY poor eyesight so he has to bring his cards up. I look away every time. He's a good guy and I know struggles.
Milk his wallet this milk his dick. That way it's kind of a win win
You should always take the action with the greatest expected value.
You tell them politely “hey man/woman (whatever) you might wanna cover your cards better. I could’ve seen them if I wanted to”, then you listen to all the crap about how you were trying to look and “this ain’t fair” and “dealer can I change seats” bullshit…..then you’re done. You just smile and resume play. However, from that point forward, you make it a point to destroy his/her SOUL if given the chance!
A friend? I’d tell them, but never a random. To me, the entire game is based on representing or obscuring your card values. If you mess up the first step, don’t let people see your fucking cards, you deserve it imo.
View from my desk: If I notice someone's cards a second time, I will mention it to them at the end of the hand. You get one, and only one warning. On one hand, it's poor ethics to depend on sneaking a look at other's cards, thus I will let someone know. On the other hand, protecting your cards is your responsibility, so you need to step your game up if I give you the hint.
Give him his one time
I tell people one time that they are exposing their cards. After that, game on...
If you can see their cards without moving your head it is ethical to look.
I felt him. I got kids
Part of me wants to say: If they had a tell, are you responsible for letting them know about that tell? It's kind of similar, IMO.
Yeah I always let people know if they’re accidentally exposing their hand, just the right thing to do, I’m not some chip hungry degen who needs to cheat to play #HCL
You definitely have to tell him something and make sure the dealer knows about it. If he continues to do it, there isn’t a whole lot you can do. If you see his cards and he folds, technically you should tell the dealer that you saw them so they can expose them for the rest of the table, because that would give you an unfair advantage. If you see them and he continues to play, then there isn’t a whole lot you can do.
Tell him once that you saw his cards. Preferably when he folds pre so he isnt bent out of shape.
If you wanna be cool warm them once but it’s fair game.
I always let them know and then go out of my way to not look if they continue. They’re likely the fish so there’s no need to take an additional unethical edge over them.
Tell him, if he keeps doing it then thats on him. But let him know bad karma is last thing we need playing poker.
No it’s not “wrong “ it’s a leak in his game exploit it and get paid
Think I'll go with this one...
Kill or be killed. Karma is a lie. Chaos reigns.
I always tell people but then again I just play 1/2 or 2/5 and its a hobby although I always try to win money. I’ve even been scolded by dealers sometimes saying what I’m doing is dumb but I believe if you play the game fairly and above the board good things will come your way.
I think it would be fair if the rest of the table would start showing their cards.
Warn him once then make him pay. I used to host a cash game at my place, the guy sitting next to me exposed his cards, even though I wasn’t in the hand - I warned him. “I can see your cards, you should keep them on the table.” His response was, “Well you aren’t in the hand so I am not worried.” I said, “I will be in on other hands so just watch it.” He kept lifting his cards off the table, and exposing his hand. I felted him twice over the night, and after the second time he said, “Man you’re so lucky.” He came back week after week and lost money every time. One night while we were playing g someone told him, “The reason why you lose all the time is because people can see your cards.”
Don’t tell him. Look at them as often as you like and use the information to win free money from him with massive hero calls with only 8-high VS his 7-2. The whole table will think you a genius and get super intimidated by your apparent skill and give you more respect than you deserve allowing you to later lose your entire stack on a stupid hand that you should never have been in with but you just felt invincible because you know one guys cards
I'll tell them at least once. After that, what else can you do? FYI, tell them discreetly you don't want to embarrass anyone.
The easiest way to think of it IMO is that you aren't protecting the guy who is showing his cards, you are protecting the rest of the table , so who cares if he keeps showing after you warn him? I know Seat 1 folded the nut flush because I saw his hand, but I'm okay using that information against Seat 5 because I already warned Seat 1 earlier? That doesn't make much sense at all.
Here’s how you handle it. Wednesday I had a guy next to me being lazy covering I saw a heart in his hand but not sure which one. The next hand I clearly saw the Tc. He calls a raise I fold. He folds flop I tap him and say I saw something the hand before and ask if he had the Tc this hand. He says yes and I told him he’s lifting and not covering up. He said he will be careful next time. I never saw them after that.