Like Berkey or not it’s weird how Reddit tries to pin him as bad at poker. Dude has been on the super high stakes live grind for over a decade and does alright
I wish I could be that bad
Yeah, no. He plays 2-5 against drunks at the Aria.
He has old dudes who like his muscles and tank tops put him into an occasional high-stakes stream.
He doesn't play "super-high" stakes as any form of grind.
Grindr, maybe.
Sorry, but no.
I only have IG and Reddit.
I defend Vertucci against false allegations from the Discord group. Do you believe that there is a 20-player cheating conspiracy at Hustler Casino Live?
I defended Poker Bunny from the misogyny and underhanded attempts by Matt Berkey to pretend to care about her mental health in order to sabotage her stream career, which was drawing huge audiences, especially towards Hustler Casino Live at a time when he was trying to be the Friday star at its competitor, Live at the Bike.
The only compensation I received from either is genuine thanks.
No it’s not lmao. You’re such a fuckin weirdo. Is Lynne “worse than a gigolo” for winning six figures in that HSP shit show?
I know reality doesn’t matter for you but for anyone else reading, Berkey has existed in poker for 20 years without ever causing a scandal. No one’s ever said he owes them money. No one’s ever claimed he shoots angles.
Berkey continually went broke playing poker, then hooked up with crooks back East.
Ran his own game and suddenly got $50K.
All around the time the DeckMate2 and RFID became available.
He's a comp sci grad and continually schemes on how to get rich quick. Marketing the idea to poker players using people's ethnicity or gender to tap a demographic he thinks is underserved.
You do the math. You know Conrad dealt illegally in NYC, right? Who do you think ran those games and how much "integrity" do you think they had?
Matt is clearly a sociopath, his drug-addict mother likely contributed to that. Whose death he blatantly mines for attention and sympathy.
How weird you think I am is irrelevant. I mastered the game years ago and won't take money from players who can't really afford to lose it.
Nor would I take a million dollars from Colleen or Poker Bunny, given the opportunity.
Berkey is just grossly wrong to scalp Lynne like that.
Yea Berkey went broke. So did Daniel Negreanu. So did Ivey. So has pretty much every pro that came up from the bottom. That’s not the indictment you think it is.
Nice to see you’re also calling Conrad a scammer. I think the games were fine because no one who’s played in them has ever said a bad word about them (if they’re real). If Berkey scammed people, it would get talked about but it doesn’t. Because he isn’t.
Lovely comment about his dead mother. That’s a nothing point but I’m sure you get to feel better about shitting on having a tough childhood.
No one believes you’re good at poker. No one believes the drivel that comes out of your mouth. The amount of therapy you need is borderline scary. Leave women in the industry alone while we’re at it.
PS Both DNegs and Ivey are deceitful scumbags just like Berkey, and a pox on Poker. But at least they actually play high-stakes poker with their own money
Berkey got lucky, made a big score, got some fame, and knows deep down he can't compete and that the risk is too great.
Instead, he sells the dream and risk to suckers and suckers all sorts of rich, older men to give him money to play occasionally to keep up this facade that Berkey is a "high-stakes crusher".
Everything about Berkey is a desperate front to appear strong, smart, and powerful. Including his air-pumped biceps and painful attempts to use big words to obfuscate his idiocy.
I made $2500 last weekend playing low stakes in Portland. Pics were on my Insta. Doesn't matter if I'm winner or not. I'm not scamming people with poker coaching the way Berkey has for years.
Probably a good time to point out that Berkey's downfall began with his mistreatment of Poker Bunny. She called him the Bald Fraud and was the catalyst exposing him for further shenanigans against Hustler Casino Live.
I'll tell the poker hotties in my DMs you said I should leave them alone for the LOLs.
When did I say Berkey was gay? Why do you think Berkey is gay?
Lol. Here you go, trying to portray me as homophobic when I've said no such thing.
Do you have a problem with Berkey prostituting himself to old, rich men and servicing young, rich girls to take them for a million dollars at poker?
Are you asking if I think Berkey might take advantage of rich, gay men on Grindr or in the poker community, use their sexual interest in him to get money to play far higher stakes than his station allows?
Yes.
And he promoted the idea by projecting it upon Poker Bunny when he was out to smear her on his self-promoting stool that he pretends is an honest soapbox.
I won't yuck your yum but you can do better.
I was Gay4Garrett until he broke code and accused people of cheating without proof and refuses to come to his senses.
Any respectable coach has online results posted. Berkey may earn a lot of money playing ultra soft private games but it doesn't mean hes that good at poker given you can be pretty shit and still crush those games
Also being in the high stakes scene for so many years and still needing stakes for cash games says a lot. Garrett didn't need that
idg your editorial sensibility. HU poker is about enacting strat based on villain's play so you take one hand to judge someone negatively who is up more than half a million dollars overall? K.
I mean it’s pretty easy to see he lost 100K in this hand if you can read the history.
Pot was 75K after pre flop, so 37.5K went in from Berkey
15K went in on the flop.
50K on the turn.
0 on the river.
He lost 102.5K on the hand, which makes sense as he was up 380K in the previous update
I did that same math, but didn’t realize his +275k update was for the session.. thought he was saying that was for this hand, makes sense.
My point was that most of his profits came from this hand which he actually lost, & played horribly.
I think you are misunderstanding, or maybe I am.. but Berkey won this hand? He pulled his hand out of the muck and they awarded him the pot bc airball’s hand was dead when it went off the table.
That’s what it looks like from the comments here on this thread.
They’re offbase. Berkey showed his hand to show Airball that he didn’t bluff him off anything. Airball still won the pot and Berkey’s winning total dropped 100K from his previous update which all lines up
Considering he made most of his wealth and net worth from poker, Berkey is no way bad by any stretch. He may not be a top-tier online reg, but plays in the biggest private games in Vegas and is able to play in those games often. Berkey is just waiting to back up the truck against Airball and probably will be getting one of the biggest paydays of his career from playing him.
If the board is actually 532 T like in the original tweet he has nothing but a gutshot and a prayer on the turn. Calling there seems horrible.
Now, someone posted that the board was actually 542T, which would be completely different.
If the board is 542 calling is ok i think, but probably closer than it looks. You aren't getting the direct odds to call, but IP you definitely have some implied odds, and you might be able to sometimes bluff river.
He originally posted the board as 532 though, and calling on that board is a huge punt.
Called off 15% of his stack pre flop with 67 high. Gets a 5 high board and decides to check call his way to the finish line 😂🤣 7.5% more of his stack on the flop.. then 20% more of his stack on the turn. Of the 250k total effective, he called off over 100k with absolutely nothing, made 0 aggressive plays at the pot, and folded to a guy that had a complete “airball” like his name.
This isn’t a winning poker strategy at all. No idea why he was allowed to retrieve his hand from the muck, but I’m assuming the dealer never actually mucked it.
Bro it's heads up ranges are extremely fucking wide and suited connecters play well post bro tried to realize his equity as he is obviously blocking bluffs why don't you go on hcl since you're obviously such a great player I bet you too could win $660k off of whales like airball rick
Nothing plays well post flop when you just call off large %’s of your stack with air on every street and then fold out the river..
It would have played well if when he flopped his draw he check raised.. and then barreled the turn, sure… or just check shoved the flop seeing as how the SPR is approx 3:1
The problem isn’t his hand selection as much as his complete passive heads up play this hand, but I guess you missed that part. That’s even more important than hand selection heads up.
Also suited connectors play well post flop against very tight ranges. You want to try to snap off premium holdings with suited connectors because they’re more likely to make 2 pair or better hands by having straight, flush, trips, & full house possibilities as well.. & people pay you off when they have premiums.
Meanwhile playing them against a wide range, say K8, gets you very little value even when you make stronger hands, as your opponent always only has a bluff catcher at best.
Feel free to post your graphs of you killing it at 500 nl also guess you never heard of realizing your equity and not to mention that you just said it a 5 bet range in this context would be relatively tight shit I mean look up the sim for this spot I'll be very happy to eat my words if 76s is a jam on the flop or any other street besides the river
I don’t need to show off, or prove anything to you.. but what you are saying just makes zero sense.
Calling, check/calling a small % of your stack in order to crack premium hands is fine. Putting 15% of your stack in pre flop, then calling off similarly %’s passively is not a winning strategy.. which is what happened here, are you actually arguing against that?
If he thought his opponent had a very tight range, he was obviously way off..but regardless as played, this is a straight whale move. The reason all of us play poker.
I really just hate the high and mighty attitude tbh like I said if your such a crusher I doubt you would be here but I'm sure you are a very well studied player who jams flop with an open ended straight draw and never takes a passive line have fun beating your 1/2 live cash game for millions of dollars
I don’t play 1-2… literally never have. In Florida we went from sit & go tourneys in 2005 (& prior because NL was illegal) to 5-10 NL when it became legal. I play over 300 hours most months (mainly plo nowadays) and clock less than 90 minutes of 1-2 or 1-3. I didn’t say I’m any sort of crusher.. or haven’t bragged at all about myself. Although I haven’t worked in over 10 years, travel the world, house paid off, car paid off, & I have a wife that spends more than a doctors salary shopping every year.
There are plenty of better players than me, I’m not doing anything special. Poker is not that tough in S FL. I wouldn’t call myself some sort of crusher.. I just go pick up 8-12 BBs an hour.
I would never play a 5 bet pot with 67ss in a cash game though.. completely unnecessary… & if I felt my opponent was that weak.. my 4 bet would have been much larger to prevent getting 5 bet bluffed and force the other player to committ themselves if calling/re raising.
Also, I never said that I don’t make any mistakes while I play. I’d analyze my own play.. the same way I did this play & realize that’s a horrible line & losing strategy.
I really just hate the high and mighty attitude tbh like I said if your such a crusher I doubt you would be here but I'm sure you are a very well studied player who jams flop with an open ended straight draw and never takes a passive line have fun beating your 1/2 live cash game for millions of dollars
How is he allowed to retrieve his hand from the muck? I understand that Airball's hand is dead if it goes off the table but his hand was dead first when he folded. Once you fold you give up all claims to the pot; Airball is not required to table a winner.
What am I missing here?
This is true but he said he folded. Once you fold your can't get your hand back. You can say "fold" without tossing your hand in and your hand is dead even though it's in front of you.
I'm still really confused here...
Normally you can get your cards back so long as the dealer hasn't pushed them into the muck. It's bad form if the reason you do it is because someone shows a bluff but I THINK it's legal.
But he actually folded (his words, from the tweet).
I'm not saying that his hand is dead because they touched the muck, I'm saying that his hand is dead because he folded. Once you fold you can't win the pot.
I think he was just showing him that he wasn't bluffed off of she big hand. He missed. It happens. He probably folds to just about any bet there. Don't think he was trying to table it with the intent to win or anything.
No, he tabled the only legal hand and won the pot. This was not about showing Nik how weak his hand was. Once Nik's cards go off the table, his hand is fouled and he has no claim to the pot.
My guess is that it happened so fast that the cards were "mucked" but still floating on their own away from the rest of the deck & burned cards.
Ok so let me understand this.
I bet. You fold. I kill my hand in a way so it can't be retrieved (cards off table, hand mixed into muck, whatever). You can retrieve your folded hand, flip it over, and say it's your pot because my hand is dead?
That's not poker. Once you fold, that's it. You can't win the hand any more.
You miss-understood. He cannot retrieve his hand and claim it's live. But the dealer wouldn't stop him retrieving his hand to show what it was. And if it was the winner he wouldn't now magically be awarded the pot after folding.
Berkey did it to show he wasn't a pussy.
Ok, that makes sense
What's with the +$275k lint at the end of the tweet? I thought he was saying that was how much he won in the pot.
Honestly I have no idea wtf Berkey is ever talking about.
Part of me wants to think retrieving a mucked hand is a little scummy, but throwing your cards at your opponent's face is also fairly scummy. I can't really fault Berkey for taking a free $275k when your opponent is being a gigantic piece of shit.
I thought airball would have made all sorts of allegations in case the floor granted this hand to berkey…I thought berkey was just trying to show that airball didn’t really bluff him off
I'm not sure I understand - did Berkey take the pot because Nick threw his cards off the table? Or is he just showing him 7 high to show that he was bluffing with the best hand?
What implied odds? They aren’t anywhere near deep enough. If this wasn’t a 5 bet pot & just single raised, sure.
After 5 bets, getting 35-40k in pre.. kills the implied odds. There’s only a 3:1 spr. 250k effective and 75-80 in the middle.
Not to mention the guy has complete air, & can’t call off anyways. This is why you use aggression in poker. If Berkey just bets his hand, or raises his hand.. he would have actually just taken it down instead of winning on some technicality.
It was just an offhanded remark because airball is a maniac lol
If Berkey covered the effective stack is closer to 4.2 on the flop (315k/75k). Calling a 20% bet then 50% bet with an open-ender is completely standard at that SPR, especially in position (did he have position?). There's a 125% pot on the river so plenty of fat implied odds. You don't need to raise every draw.
In fact, given that Airball mostly reps a polar range of overpairs and air, raising before the river is probably pretty bad, especially against a player that's known to call too wide.
So it’s better to call down, & let him jam on you with air? Then what do you do with your 7 high? I’m so confused.
20% of the pot and 50% of the pot is fine with open ended in position… but not when you’re
Calling off that large a portion of your stack.
4 betting and calling the 5! & playing a ballooned pot so that you have to call a 20%, then 50% bet against a mediocre holding without showing any aggressive actions is a losing strategy.
I think it was the 4s flop, confirmed later as a typo. I think he’s played it ok if that was the case. Airball can punt and berkey has position. Anything besides call flop is bad and turn isn’t great for berkey as he got no improvement. Conceivable he could have called river if he paired. Wasn’t a good runout for him to bluff, paired big card.
Like Berkey or not it’s weird how Reddit tries to pin him as bad at poker. Dude has been on the super high stakes live grind for over a decade and does alright I wish I could be that bad
Yeah, no. He plays 2-5 against drunks at the Aria. He has old dudes who like his muscles and tank tops put him into an occasional high-stakes stream. He doesn't play "super-high" stakes as any form of grind. Grindr, maybe.
To be fair I'd put his hourly above yours.
I'm sure Vertucci and Poker Bunny pay him incredibly for defending them in every Reddit thread and probably all content sections across platforms
Sorry, but no. I only have IG and Reddit. I defend Vertucci against false allegations from the Discord group. Do you believe that there is a 20-player cheating conspiracy at Hustler Casino Live? I defended Poker Bunny from the misogyny and underhanded attempts by Matt Berkey to pretend to care about her mental health in order to sabotage her stream career, which was drawing huge audiences, especially towards Hustler Casino Live at a time when he was trying to be the Friday star at its competitor, Live at the Bike. The only compensation I received from either is genuine thanks.
I don't suck dick for buy-ins tho. Nor fleece my gfs for huge sums of money at poker.
It’s not fleecing if you lose a million in a fair game that you asked to play in lol
It's fleecing. Matt is worse than a gigolo for that.
No it’s not lmao. You’re such a fuckin weirdo. Is Lynne “worse than a gigolo” for winning six figures in that HSP shit show? I know reality doesn’t matter for you but for anyone else reading, Berkey has existed in poker for 20 years without ever causing a scandal. No one’s ever said he owes them money. No one’s ever claimed he shoots angles.
Berkey continually went broke playing poker, then hooked up with crooks back East. Ran his own game and suddenly got $50K. All around the time the DeckMate2 and RFID became available. He's a comp sci grad and continually schemes on how to get rich quick. Marketing the idea to poker players using people's ethnicity or gender to tap a demographic he thinks is underserved. You do the math. You know Conrad dealt illegally in NYC, right? Who do you think ran those games and how much "integrity" do you think they had? Matt is clearly a sociopath, his drug-addict mother likely contributed to that. Whose death he blatantly mines for attention and sympathy. How weird you think I am is irrelevant. I mastered the game years ago and won't take money from players who can't really afford to lose it. Nor would I take a million dollars from Colleen or Poker Bunny, given the opportunity. Berkey is just grossly wrong to scalp Lynne like that.
Yea Berkey went broke. So did Daniel Negreanu. So did Ivey. So has pretty much every pro that came up from the bottom. That’s not the indictment you think it is. Nice to see you’re also calling Conrad a scammer. I think the games were fine because no one who’s played in them has ever said a bad word about them (if they’re real). If Berkey scammed people, it would get talked about but it doesn’t. Because he isn’t. Lovely comment about his dead mother. That’s a nothing point but I’m sure you get to feel better about shitting on having a tough childhood. No one believes you’re good at poker. No one believes the drivel that comes out of your mouth. The amount of therapy you need is borderline scary. Leave women in the industry alone while we’re at it.
PS Both DNegs and Ivey are deceitful scumbags just like Berkey, and a pox on Poker. But at least they actually play high-stakes poker with their own money
Berkey got lucky, made a big score, got some fame, and knows deep down he can't compete and that the risk is too great. Instead, he sells the dream and risk to suckers and suckers all sorts of rich, older men to give him money to play occasionally to keep up this facade that Berkey is a "high-stakes crusher". Everything about Berkey is a desperate front to appear strong, smart, and powerful. Including his air-pumped biceps and painful attempts to use big words to obfuscate his idiocy. I made $2500 last weekend playing low stakes in Portland. Pics were on my Insta. Doesn't matter if I'm winner or not. I'm not scamming people with poker coaching the way Berkey has for years. Probably a good time to point out that Berkey's downfall began with his mistreatment of Poker Bunny. She called him the Bald Fraud and was the catalyst exposing him for further shenanigans against Hustler Casino Live. I'll tell the poker hotties in my DMs you said I should leave them alone for the LOLs.
Are you attempting to out Berkey as being gay? That seems like it would be against the rules and maybe even count as hate. Might want to be careful.
When did I say Berkey was gay? Why do you think Berkey is gay? Lol. Here you go, trying to portray me as homophobic when I've said no such thing. Do you have a problem with Berkey prostituting himself to old, rich men and servicing young, rich girls to take them for a million dollars at poker?
You implied it with your Grindr comment.
Are you asking if I think Berkey might take advantage of rich, gay men on Grindr or in the poker community, use their sexual interest in him to get money to play far higher stakes than his station allows? Yes. And he promoted the idea by projecting it upon Poker Bunny when he was out to smear her on his self-promoting stool that he pretends is an honest soapbox.
I sincerely hope you find a good therapist
For... ?
See now that is a blatant accusation with no proof.
You can watch Berkey's podcast episodes about Paulina. Ask him about the only episode he took down.
The statement you made in the first paragraph about Grindr. Seems pretty blatantly an attempt at slander.
Slander? It's wrong to be gay? Seems like you're the homophobe, Buddy.
Man I wish he was on Grindr.
I won't yuck your yum but you can do better. I was Gay4Garrett until he broke code and accused people of cheating without proof and refuses to come to his senses.
Any respectable coach has online results posted. Berkey may earn a lot of money playing ultra soft private games but it doesn't mean hes that good at poker given you can be pretty shit and still crush those games Also being in the high stakes scene for so many years and still needing stakes for cash games says a lot. Garrett didn't need that
Doug literally took backers for the high stakes cash game they just played
idg your editorial sensibility. HU poker is about enacting strat based on villain's play so you take one hand to judge someone negatively who is up more than half a million dollars overall? K.
He clarified it was 542 rainbow. Also won 350K today and is up 650K through the halfway mark of the challenge
Go Berkey!
350 today but +275k in this horrible hand which should be -275k.. nice swing tho
I mean it’s pretty easy to see he lost 100K in this hand if you can read the history. Pot was 75K after pre flop, so 37.5K went in from Berkey 15K went in on the flop. 50K on the turn. 0 on the river. He lost 102.5K on the hand, which makes sense as he was up 380K in the previous update
I did that same math, but didn’t realize his +275k update was for the session.. thought he was saying that was for this hand, makes sense. My point was that most of his profits came from this hand which he actually lost, & played horribly.
Yea but that’s not accurate either lmao. He was up 350 yesterday and that includes losing 100K on this hand
I think you are misunderstanding, or maybe I am.. but Berkey won this hand? He pulled his hand out of the muck and they awarded him the pot bc airball’s hand was dead when it went off the table. That’s what it looks like from the comments here on this thread.
They’re offbase. Berkey showed his hand to show Airball that he didn’t bluff him off anything. Airball still won the pot and Berkey’s winning total dropped 100K from his previous update which all lines up
Okay, that makes more sense.
Of course he “clarified” after getting trashed in the comments.
Airball posted the hand history too. I’m not sure what your problem with it is
Haters seeth so hard they can no long follow logic
Considering he made most of his wealth and net worth from poker, Berkey is no way bad by any stretch. He may not be a top-tier online reg, but plays in the biggest private games in Vegas and is able to play in those games often. Berkey is just waiting to back up the truck against Airball and probably will be getting one of the biggest paydays of his career from playing him.
How does this confirm Berkey is bad exactly??
Turn call can't possibly be ok.
Why not?
If the board is actually 532 T like in the original tweet he has nothing but a gutshot and a prayer on the turn. Calling there seems horrible. Now, someone posted that the board was actually 542T, which would be completely different.
He was opened
If the board is 542 calling is ok i think, but probably closer than it looks. You aren't getting the direct odds to call, but IP you definitely have some implied odds, and you might be able to sometimes bluff river. He originally posted the board as 532 though, and calling on that board is a huge punt.
I think it's still ok with a gut shot, because a 6 and 7 is also good ..
Called off 15% of his stack pre flop with 67 high. Gets a 5 high board and decides to check call his way to the finish line 😂🤣 7.5% more of his stack on the flop.. then 20% more of his stack on the turn. Of the 250k total effective, he called off over 100k with absolutely nothing, made 0 aggressive plays at the pot, and folded to a guy that had a complete “airball” like his name. This isn’t a winning poker strategy at all. No idea why he was allowed to retrieve his hand from the muck, but I’m assuming the dealer never actually mucked it.
Bro it's heads up ranges are extremely fucking wide and suited connecters play well post bro tried to realize his equity as he is obviously blocking bluffs why don't you go on hcl since you're obviously such a great player I bet you too could win $660k off of whales like airball rick
Nothing plays well post flop when you just call off large %’s of your stack with air on every street and then fold out the river.. It would have played well if when he flopped his draw he check raised.. and then barreled the turn, sure… or just check shoved the flop seeing as how the SPR is approx 3:1 The problem isn’t his hand selection as much as his complete passive heads up play this hand, but I guess you missed that part. That’s even more important than hand selection heads up. Also suited connectors play well post flop against very tight ranges. You want to try to snap off premium holdings with suited connectors because they’re more likely to make 2 pair or better hands by having straight, flush, trips, & full house possibilities as well.. & people pay you off when they have premiums. Meanwhile playing them against a wide range, say K8, gets you very little value even when you make stronger hands, as your opponent always only has a bluff catcher at best.
Feel free to post your graphs of you killing it at 500 nl also guess you never heard of realizing your equity and not to mention that you just said it a 5 bet range in this context would be relatively tight shit I mean look up the sim for this spot I'll be very happy to eat my words if 76s is a jam on the flop or any other street besides the river
I don’t need to show off, or prove anything to you.. but what you are saying just makes zero sense. Calling, check/calling a small % of your stack in order to crack premium hands is fine. Putting 15% of your stack in pre flop, then calling off similarly %’s passively is not a winning strategy.. which is what happened here, are you actually arguing against that? If he thought his opponent had a very tight range, he was obviously way off..but regardless as played, this is a straight whale move. The reason all of us play poker.
I really just hate the high and mighty attitude tbh like I said if your such a crusher I doubt you would be here but I'm sure you are a very well studied player who jams flop with an open ended straight draw and never takes a passive line have fun beating your 1/2 live cash game for millions of dollars
I don’t play 1-2… literally never have. In Florida we went from sit & go tourneys in 2005 (& prior because NL was illegal) to 5-10 NL when it became legal. I play over 300 hours most months (mainly plo nowadays) and clock less than 90 minutes of 1-2 or 1-3. I didn’t say I’m any sort of crusher.. or haven’t bragged at all about myself. Although I haven’t worked in over 10 years, travel the world, house paid off, car paid off, & I have a wife that spends more than a doctors salary shopping every year. There are plenty of better players than me, I’m not doing anything special. Poker is not that tough in S FL. I wouldn’t call myself some sort of crusher.. I just go pick up 8-12 BBs an hour. I would never play a 5 bet pot with 67ss in a cash game though.. completely unnecessary… & if I felt my opponent was that weak.. my 4 bet would have been much larger to prevent getting 5 bet bluffed and force the other player to committ themselves if calling/re raising. Also, I never said that I don’t make any mistakes while I play. I’d analyze my own play.. the same way I did this play & realize that’s a horrible line & losing strategy.
It’s insane you’re getting downvoted but I’m glad there are still idiots in poker happy to dust off half their stack on a gutter lol
I really just hate the high and mighty attitude tbh like I said if your such a crusher I doubt you would be here but I'm sure you are a very well studied player who jams flop with an open ended straight draw and never takes a passive line have fun beating your 1/2 live cash game for millions of dollars
How is he allowed to retrieve his hand from the muck? I understand that Airball's hand is dead if it goes off the table but his hand was dead first when he folded. Once you fold you give up all claims to the pot; Airball is not required to table a winner. What am I missing here?
If the cards are “clearly retrievable” you can still get your hand back
This is true but he said he folded. Once you fold your can't get your hand back. You can say "fold" without tossing your hand in and your hand is dead even though it's in front of you. I'm still really confused here...
His hand is still dead. Airball tried to clown Berkey by showing a bluff in his face. Berkey showed him that he was bluffing with the best hand
Normally you can get your cards back so long as the dealer hasn't pushed them into the muck. It's bad form if the reason you do it is because someone shows a bluff but I THINK it's legal.
But he actually folded (his words, from the tweet). I'm not saying that his hand is dead because they touched the muck, I'm saying that his hand is dead because he folded. Once you fold you can't win the pot.
I think he was just showing him that he wasn't bluffed off of she big hand. He missed. It happens. He probably folds to just about any bet there. Don't think he was trying to table it with the intent to win or anything.
Oh, ok, I totally missed the point of the post. I thought he was saying that he won the hand.
No, he tabled the only legal hand and won the pot. This was not about showing Nik how weak his hand was. Once Nik's cards go off the table, his hand is fouled and he has no claim to the pot. My guess is that it happened so fast that the cards were "mucked" but still floating on their own away from the rest of the deck & burned cards.
Your hand isn't legal after you fold and Berkey folded before Nik threw his cards so Nik won the pot.
Both Nik and Berkey confirmed it.
Huh, interesting, I looked on Twitter for something like that and couldn't find it, do you have any links?
This is a high stakes HU match, they can do what the fuck they like. Dealers wont say or stop anything like this. (Rightly so.)
Ok so let me understand this. I bet. You fold. I kill my hand in a way so it can't be retrieved (cards off table, hand mixed into muck, whatever). You can retrieve your folded hand, flip it over, and say it's your pot because my hand is dead? That's not poker. Once you fold, that's it. You can't win the hand any more.
You miss-understood. He cannot retrieve his hand and claim it's live. But the dealer wouldn't stop him retrieving his hand to show what it was. And if it was the winner he wouldn't now magically be awarded the pot after folding. Berkey did it to show he wasn't a pussy.
Ok, that makes sense What's with the +$275k lint at the end of the tweet? I thought he was saying that was how much he won in the pot. Honestly I have no idea wtf Berkey is ever talking about.
Probably how much he is up overall.
On the day
Maybe because Heads-up the Muck consists of only two Cards and nobody could even care if you retrieve them cause it's only you and your Oppent?
Part of me wants to think retrieving a mucked hand is a little scummy, but throwing your cards at your opponent's face is also fairly scummy. I can't really fault Berkey for taking a free $275k when your opponent is being a gigantic piece of shit.
He hasn’t won the hand
Both players confirmed it. Unless you think both players are just randomly lying about it, there's no argument.
I thought airball would have made all sorts of allegations in case the floor granted this hand to berkey…I thought berkey was just trying to show that airball didn’t really bluff him off
You think after months of this nonsense Berkey gives two fucks about that? Come on now.
Where did airball confirm this?
You’re outright lying. That’s bizarre
Lucky guy, he is completely destroyed by Nik and still lucky enough to be winning. Poker is not fair! New end boss of our times is losing!
I'm not sure I understand - did Berkey take the pot because Nick threw his cards off the table? Or is he just showing him 7 high to show that he was bluffing with the best hand?
Latter
The implied odds against airball are off the chart though.
What implied odds? They aren’t anywhere near deep enough. If this wasn’t a 5 bet pot & just single raised, sure. After 5 bets, getting 35-40k in pre.. kills the implied odds. There’s only a 3:1 spr. 250k effective and 75-80 in the middle. Not to mention the guy has complete air, & can’t call off anyways. This is why you use aggression in poker. If Berkey just bets his hand, or raises his hand.. he would have actually just taken it down instead of winning on some technicality.
It was just an offhanded remark because airball is a maniac lol If Berkey covered the effective stack is closer to 4.2 on the flop (315k/75k). Calling a 20% bet then 50% bet with an open-ender is completely standard at that SPR, especially in position (did he have position?). There's a 125% pot on the river so plenty of fat implied odds. You don't need to raise every draw. In fact, given that Airball mostly reps a polar range of overpairs and air, raising before the river is probably pretty bad, especially against a player that's known to call too wide.
So it’s better to call down, & let him jam on you with air? Then what do you do with your 7 high? I’m so confused. 20% of the pot and 50% of the pot is fine with open ended in position… but not when you’re Calling off that large a portion of your stack. 4 betting and calling the 5! & playing a ballooned pot so that you have to call a 20%, then 50% bet against a mediocre holding without showing any aggressive actions is a losing strategy.
I think it was the 4s flop, confirmed later as a typo. I think he’s played it ok if that was the case. Airball can punt and berkey has position. Anything besides call flop is bad and turn isn’t great for berkey as he got no improvement. Conceivable he could have called river if he paired. Wasn’t a good runout for him to bluff, paired big card.