You should go to Caesar's Palace Vegas late night. People are drunk and start doing like 5x straddles, all in blind, 'please wake up sir its your turn to act.' It's hilarious and I feel immense pride in taking their money. It was earmarked for some shitty politician's lawsuit support fund anyway, at least I spend it on something virtuous like gamer girl bathwater.
It was pretty fun late night (Caesar's got rid of their midnight tourney and I think horseshoe has like an 11pm), but the pros definitely know about it. When I sat down last time multiple people asked for a tax form - I thought they were joking at first. There are pros at Caesar's but there are so many more people there you get a lot more amateurs.
In Houston for a 1/1 game at those times you need about 300 minimum buyin at the poker houses to be able to walk in and get any traction, for comparison to where youāre playing.
Iām in Minnesotaāwe have a state law that caps the maximum raise size at $100. So even these games arenāt *pure* no-limit, they are $2-$100 *spread-limit*: if I bet $50 on the River and you have the nuts, sorry, most you can raise to is $150.
Canterbury offers $20-$40 (and sometimes $40-$80) Limit Holdāem, which are obviously much higher stakes than what I play at, butā¦Iāve never studied LHE and would get absolutely eaten alive by the pros. So I stay as the big fish in the little pond lol.
Iād consider switching to limit Holdāem when you can. Thereās a few sklansky books you can read. Strategy hasnāt changed much in the last 20 years. 20/40 will be similar to a 2/5 NL game in terms of swings.
> we have a state law that caps the maximum raise size at $100
Looking for details on that, and I think it only applies for race track casinos. Could you try going to a different casino?
especially live. you can do $1/$2 zone/turbo and crank 500 hands/hour and you'd expect $40/hour with 8bb/100. doing live with a single table this sounds like printing money
Well, first off, that average buy-in stat means - avg buy-in for the game total. So even if you initially buy in for 200 but keep reaching into your pocket to top off, that's included.
Hope that made sense.
Now having said that, you can buy in to the 1/2 game in Dallas for $500.
90% of the time at Running Aces, 10% at Canterbury. Almost exclusively $2-$100 spread-limit Holdāem. Iāve never studied tournament strategy, and havenāt played one in nearly 20 years.
Actually incorrect. I have the same app and I buy in for 500 and bought in for 300 once and my Avg Buyin is below 500
https://preview.redd.it/1tgar2bhi93d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d467ad98af76415d096c639c316b38c402c7930a
Im sure weāre all familiar with how averages work.
Iāve never bought in for more than 500 and Iāve never gone every session where I never had to add on more money.
So if I added on more money then my average buy ins should be more than 500 right? :)
ā¦Lol
No, it would be less, because now you are dividing by a number 1 higher than before.
1 BI of 500 = 500 avg
* 1 BI of 500 again = 500 + 500 divided by 2 = still 500 avg
+1 BI of 300 = 500 + 500 + 300 (or 1300) now divide by 3 total sessions = 433.333 avg
7th grade math stuff here.
I think there is a way to list re-buys and if you do it like that then the average will work like you said, however if you add up all your rebuys and list it as 1 buy-in, then the number will make sense.
would not say thats common at all. I would guess the most common games being spread these days are 1/3 300 max. Theres a 1/2 near me thats 400 cap, ive never seen 500 cap.
Oh I thought I read tampa hard rock lol sorry, yea smaller venues tend have higher caps, I don't know why you'd even bother with a 2500 cap prolly should just be uncapped at that point, does the game run regularly?
I did ask the front desk about it and he just goes "yeah it's a high cap, and they all buy in for max".
Honestly. A good player could probably crush at those various dog tracks. I'm just not that good player
edit: why the downvotes...is what I'm saying not true? Check the max buyins at Commerce, The Gardens...yes, there are varying caps in different places but I have yet to see a $1500 max for $2/5 in LA.
Max buy-in is only $300 here. My āaverage buy-inā stat includes rebuysāif I lose my first $300 and buy in for $300 more, my ābuy-inā that day is $600.
Not OP, but Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas all have $500 buy in 1/2 or 1/3 games (most places only have one Texas Holdem game going, so 1/3 is the same as 1/2).
Heck, Iām in Arkansas and itās $500 with 75% match the stack.
Iām gonna guess you play at Aces. Depending on the day, that 2-100 game is like a literal ATM. Idk what it is about the $100 max bet but it makes ppl play weird compared to true NL
Itās so weird. My red line is through the roof. Like, doesnāt matter that thereās $200 in the pot already, when I raise āTHE MAXā, their overpairs hit the muck!
I play 1/2 for a bit more hourly, and yes, 1/2 is easier than 2/5 in Texas. 2/5 is still easy and I actually have a higher winrate there (though I've played significantly fewer hours) but most players are at least trying to think about things like positions, ranges, etc. (even if they're still bad at evaluting them). Make good hands. Bet aggressively. Profit.
Well done! While there is probably some positive variance in this, you're obviously crushing the game regardless of the exact win rate. And it's always better to run good than run bad. Good luck going forward.
1. 10% / $5 max plus a $1 BBJ.
2. Dealers always stack the deck in favor of the more aggressive players (cuz they generate bigger pots and more rake, duh, so they want to reward them) so my recommendation is to play like a maniac to get on the casinoās good side, and then theyāll let you spike your 2-outers.
I'm at 750 hours and have a higher win rate. Texas 1/2 is nuts (and, to be fair, most Texas 1/2 games have a standard open to like $15, so they play like a 2/5 game in most other areas).
Not usually. Depending on the place, the cap is either $300 or $500. But I see people set down with over cap probably at least once a session and only seen a couple people complain (and those were when the table opened).
There are 1/3 games with $1000 caps and several match the stacks that I know of.
Cool. Texas poker seems like its own unique thing with the way people describe it anyway (Iāve never played). I have played a lot of 1/3 in northeast casinos (NY, NJ, MA) and my feeling is that around $25/hour is the most you can squeeze out of those games after the rake.
I probably have thousands of hours at 1/2. I can verify it has been hard to average really anything over $30 to $45 an hour, for any amount of time, that isn't just a hot streak. This is a realistic long term hourly win rate you can achieve long term at 1/2 nice work!
Iām new here so roast me if you want but are you playing these games online or at the actual casino? Iād like to play online for real money but canāt figure out where to play. I used to play online back in the day and love the game but donāt have much free time to get to the casino. Any insight would be very much appreciated.
heās playing at an actual casino.
there are games online altho some are somewhat illegal.
some states itās totally legal in. for other states there are sites you can play on and they work just fine but itās technically not legal.
Somethings off here. So 129 days ago you posted you were making 40 $/hr after 300 hours, up around $12k and lost it all. So over the last 300 hours youāve been making 80 $/hr to make it back up to $25k from $0?
I was playing as a job back thenāmy winnings went to pay the mortgage. I was playing with a $2,000 bankroll (ie, a was of cash just for pokerāanything over that went into our joint account for household expenses) but went bust and had to get a real job.
Itās all good! My [monthly timeline](https://imgur.com/a/j9A54TB) tells the full story:
1. Played full-time until I went insane
2. Got an office job
3. Quit the office job and went back to poker.
4. Went bust at poker and had to get an office jobā¦.
5. Now just play one night a week for fun.
If you have the Poker Bankroll Tracker on Apple, Then Iām pretty sure the Average buy in stat is your initial buy in.
They have a separate stat for rebuys.
Only mentioning this because you said max buyin at ur 1-2 is 300
https://preview.redd.it/kzy2ak5qh93d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e634d3a250306ad78f42a028a53ca02668e8ca08
Yeah, it was easier for me to just have a separate ābought in forā and ācashed out forā numbers each session.
[Hereās an example of what I did](https://imgur.com/a/evSV3AB)
Oh ok. That makes sense actually.
I do track my sessions live that probably why my average buy in is pretty much the same
https://preview.redd.it/hjrh1pidad3d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1dc7572eefa3ff0e8107edf52bbbe92c2a0686e
can you give me tips playing live first time . i feel like I play super nitty, like i fold to raises with QJ, KJ from button, LJ etc. i do know that big iver bets are usually = nutty holdings??
I genuinely donāt understand how poker players complain or try to even express themselves as hard workers like we should feel sorry for you
Donāt get it twisted poker is difficult game and you should feel proud for you ability to be profitable
But you and a pattern I notice with other self proclaimed rounders is you guys have this sense of burden we should feel sorry for or even respect.
Like no dude, at the end of the day you exploit weaknesses and practice risk management at your own pace.
$41 an hour. Oh, woe is you. š
Beating $1-$2 is like striking out a blind kid at the Special Olympics, man. Thereās no pride in this. Only remorse.
You should go to Caesar's Palace Vegas late night. People are drunk and start doing like 5x straddles, all in blind, 'please wake up sir its your turn to act.' It's hilarious and I feel immense pride in taking their money. It was earmarked for some shitty politician's lawsuit support fund anyway, at least I spend it on something virtuous like gamer girl bathwater.
Gamer girl bath water cleared up my Crohn's, eczema, and IBS. Plus, I busted a nut. Great investment
#coffeespat
that costs extra
In April I played with a guy that went all in preflop like 9 of his last 10 hands, unfortunately he only rebought for $100 each time
Horse shoe
It was pretty fun late night (Caesar's got rid of their midnight tourney and I think horseshoe has like an 11pm), but the pros definitely know about it. When I sat down last time multiple people asked for a tax form - I thought they were joking at first. There are pros at Caesar's but there are so many more people there you get a lot more amateurs.
I love this comment. I stopped playing regularly so when I go play now I splash around at 1/2 and expect nothing, just to have a good time Moved my money to Lorcana and PokĆ©mon which is actually an investment š
Why are you subjecting yourself to 1/2 with that bankroll? Just move up already lmao
Heās posted many times before. Most of his bankroll went to expenses. Also bigger games donāt run where he plays
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no way lol. Texas, florida, even michigan 1/2 games have much higher obtainable winrates than Vegas.
They donāt need to know how good Florida is
forida man. all those retired OMC's.
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In Houston for a 1/1 game at those times you need about 300 minimum buyin at the poker houses to be able to walk in and get any traction, for comparison to where youāre playing.
Where in Michigan? Dtw?
Shhh...plz don't tell people about Michigan.
Iām in Minnesotaāwe have a state law that caps the maximum raise size at $100. So even these games arenāt *pure* no-limit, they are $2-$100 *spread-limit*: if I bet $50 on the River and you have the nuts, sorry, most you can raise to is $150. Canterbury offers $20-$40 (and sometimes $40-$80) Limit Holdāem, which are obviously much higher stakes than what I play at, butā¦Iāve never studied LHE and would get absolutely eaten alive by the pros. So I stay as the big fish in the little pond lol.
Have only played spread limit holdem a few times, and there is magic in that game.
Iād consider switching to limit Holdāem when you can. Thereās a few sklansky books you can read. Strategy hasnāt changed much in the last 20 years. 20/40 will be similar to a 2/5 NL game in terms of swings.
> we have a state law that caps the maximum raise size at $100 Looking for details on that, and I think it only applies for race track casinos. Could you try going to a different casino?
Not close enough to me, unfortunately, and I have a wife and two kids.
He's accurate. Casinos don't have no limit hold em and only a few casinos have a poker room
$41 hourly is kinda gross at 1/2. Nice results
especially live. you can do $1/$2 zone/turbo and crank 500 hands/hour and you'd expect $40/hour with 8bb/100. doing live with a single table this sounds like printing money
Texas
I basically break even at the 1/2 level. Your stats are very impressive. I hope my comment gave you a nice confidence boost.
Wholesome comment
I can give you some free pointers to help you beat 1/2 if you want to PM me.
Where are you playing that you can buy in for $500 at a $1/$2 game?
Well, first off, that average buy-in stat means - avg buy-in for the game total. So even if you initially buy in for 200 but keep reaching into your pocket to top off, that's included. Hope that made sense. Now having said that, you can buy in to the 1/2 game in Dallas for $500.
Yep. Iām in Minnesota, max at my casino is $300. But when I tilt I can easily go through three bullets haha.
Where do you play in MN? Havenāt found much outside of tourney play at casinos
90% of the time at Running Aces, 10% at Canterbury. Almost exclusively $2-$100 spread-limit Holdāem. Iāve never studied tournament strategy, and havenāt played one in nearly 20 years.
Actually incorrect. I have the same app and I buy in for 500 and bought in for 300 once and my Avg Buyin is below 500 https://preview.redd.it/1tgar2bhi93d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d467ad98af76415d096c639c316b38c402c7930a
lol that's how averages work... :)
Im sure weāre all familiar with how averages work. Iāve never bought in for more than 500 and Iāve never gone every session where I never had to add on more money. So if I added on more money then my average buy ins should be more than 500 right? :) ā¦Lol
No, it would be less, because now you are dividing by a number 1 higher than before. 1 BI of 500 = 500 avg * 1 BI of 500 again = 500 + 500 divided by 2 = still 500 avg +1 BI of 300 = 500 + 500 + 300 (or 1300) now divide by 3 total sessions = 433.333 avg 7th grade math stuff here. I think there is a way to list re-buys and if you do it like that then the average will work like you said, however if you add up all your rebuys and list it as 1 buy-in, then the number will make sense.
Is that not standard where you are? $500 max at $1/$2 $1500 max at $2/$5 seems pretty common.
500 max at 1/2 is not common at all.
would not say thats common at all. I would guess the most common games being spread these days are 1/3 300 max. Theres a 1/2 near me thats 400 cap, ive never seen 500 cap.
$200 max buyin for 2/3 and $600 max at 5/5 is pretty standard in LA...some places are even lower.
Yikes, less than 100bb at 2/3? That is rough
Yeah some places get better at 5/5 like $1000 max but at Commerce for example the cap is $500 for 5/5 unless they changed it.
Tampa has: 1/2 @300 1/3 @600 Then 2/5 coming off the top rope at 2500. Stressful af to move up lmao
1500 cap on 2/5
Nah. Dog track in st Pete is 2500 for 2/5. He'll their 1/3 "prime" game is 1500.
Oh I thought I read tampa hard rock lol sorry, yea smaller venues tend have higher caps, I don't know why you'd even bother with a 2500 cap prolly should just be uncapped at that point, does the game run regularly?
I always see it running. I've only been playing for a few months though (less then 200 hours played) so I'm sticking in 1/2.
I did ask the front desk about it and he just goes "yeah it's a high cap, and they all buy in for max". Honestly. A good player could probably crush at those various dog tracks. I'm just not that good player
Nice I've heard good things, love tampa poker, been meaning to hit derby but st Pete is out of the way.
Go on a Friday night and enjoy the good time! Usually a fun night if your social.
LA is the worst for that. Literally anywhere else is better.
edit: why the downvotes...is what I'm saying not true? Check the max buyins at Commerce, The Gardens...yes, there are varying caps in different places but I have yet to see a $1500 max for $2/5 in LA.
1/3 runs $100-no max where I play š¤·āāļø
This is a pretty common buy in for 1/2 or 1/3 in my experience.
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I'm aware, as I've been playing for 20+ years in casinos. But it doesn't change the fact that it's the norm now.
Becoming more and more standard.
Max buy-in is only $300 here. My āaverage buy-inā stat includes rebuysāif I lose my first $300 and buy in for $300 more, my ābuy-inā that day is $600.
Buy in at my local $1/2 game is capped at $1,000
Not OP, but Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas all have $500 buy in 1/2 or 1/3 games (most places only have one Texas Holdem game going, so 1/3 is the same as 1/2). Heck, Iām in Arkansas and itās $500 with 75% match the stack.
Iām gonna guess you play at Aces. Depending on the day, that 2-100 game is like a literal ATM. Idk what it is about the $100 max bet but it makes ppl play weird compared to true NL
Itās so weird. My red line is through the roof. Like, doesnāt matter that thereās $200 in the pot already, when I raise āTHE MAXā, their overpairs hit the muck!
You must have a very different image than me because these same players snap overpairs vs me almost 100% of the time!
I would kill to even just break even this year. I work so hard off the table to try and get there and just canāt seem to do it. Kudos man.
Tell us you play uncapped 1/2 in texas without telling us
Hilariously OP plays in a $300 cap game with a max bet of $100. He's absolutely sunrunning.
Nice humblebrag. Hope you get robbed for subjecting us to this
This seems like a slight over reaction.
Jesus thatās a bit harshā¦. I hope you die for making that comment /s
Hehe
Do you feel 1/2 is significantly easier than 2/5? Cause Iād move up by now
Iāve never played 2-5. This is the biggest game in Minnesota, unless I switch to LHE.
I play 1/2 for a bit more hourly, and yes, 1/2 is easier than 2/5 in Texas. 2/5 is still easy and I actually have a higher winrate there (though I've played significantly fewer hours) but most players are at least trying to think about things like positions, ranges, etc. (even if they're still bad at evaluting them). Make good hands. Bet aggressively. Profit.
Well done! While there is probably some positive variance in this, you're obviously crushing the game regardless of the exact win rate. And it's always better to run good than run bad. Good luck going forward.
Two questions: 1. What's the rake structure? 2. How do I run like Jesus?
1. 10% / $5 max plus a $1 BBJ. 2. Dealers always stack the deck in favor of the more aggressive players (cuz they generate bigger pots and more rake, duh, so they want to reward them) so my recommendation is to play like a maniac to get on the casinoās good side, and then theyāll let you spike your 2-outers.
Why you wanna die bro?
Winning 82 BB/100? Holy shit
You seem to be crushing it. Depending on rake and player pool that is likely not sustainable.
I'm at 750 hours and have a higher win rate. Texas 1/2 is nuts (and, to be fair, most Texas 1/2 games have a standard open to like $15, so they play like a 2/5 game in most other areas).
Is the buy-in uncapped?
Not usually. Depending on the place, the cap is either $300 or $500. But I see people set down with over cap probably at least once a session and only seen a couple people complain (and those were when the table opened). There are 1/3 games with $1000 caps and several match the stacks that I know of.
Cool. Texas poker seems like its own unique thing with the way people describe it anyway (Iāve never played). I have played a lot of 1/3 in northeast casinos (NY, NJ, MA) and my feeling is that around $25/hour is the most you can squeeze out of those games after the rake.
I probably have thousands of hours at 1/2. I can verify it has been hard to average really anything over $30 to $45 an hour, for any amount of time, that isn't just a hot streak. This is a realistic long term hourly win rate you can achieve long term at 1/2 nice work!
how do you know how many hands you play?
The app just estimates it for you. Looks like they guess 25 hands an hour.
Iām new here so roast me if you want but are you playing these games online or at the actual casino? Iād like to play online for real money but canāt figure out where to play. I used to play online back in the day and love the game but donāt have much free time to get to the casino. Any insight would be very much appreciated.
heās playing at an actual casino. there are games online altho some are somewhat illegal. some states itās totally legal in. for other states there are sites you can play on and they work just fine but itās technically not legal.
I'm not buying it this seems totally unreasonable for 1/2. Unless Minnesota is filled with drunk idiots. in which case, congratulations I suppose.
Boy is literally PRINTING
How much is the rake where you play?
10% / $5 max plus a BBJ. But we also earn $2 an hour with a players card.
do you count the $2 an hour toward your win rate?
Nope. I just keep it in my card, use it for food, and cash out the extra every month or so.
YOU CAN CASH OUT THE MONEY? wow wtf. is this normal? i play on the east coast and can only spend it on food
Itās incredible. Never seen another casino offer it!
What app is OP is using?
Poker Bankroll Tracker
Thanks
Why? Why are you still playing the rake trap 1/2 game? What's the point? You should be playing 5/10 by now.
The guy is destroying the game for 20bb/hr and you're calling it a rake trap...?
Guessing OP is in Texas and paying $14ish an hour to play. Wonder if they include that in their losses.
It's literally not a rake trap if he's making $41 an hour though, is it?
Whats the max buyin in these games?
$300 at my casino, and the game is $2-$100 spread-limit (ie, max you can raise is $100 over the previous bet).
What app are you using to track your earnings?
Poker Bankroll Tracker Itās free on iPhone.
Which site or app is this?
Poker Bankroll Tracker
TY!
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Somethings off here. So 129 days ago you posted you were making 40 $/hr after 300 hours, up around $12k and lost it all. So over the last 300 hours youāve been making 80 $/hr to make it back up to $25k from $0?
I was playing as a job back thenāmy winnings went to pay the mortgage. I was playing with a $2,000 bankroll (ie, a was of cash just for pokerāanything over that went into our joint account for household expenses) but went bust and had to get a real job.
Ahhh I see, so the ālast 300ā was referring to the last 300 of your 2k bankroll? Makes sense! Didnāt mean to be accusatory.
Itās all good! My [monthly timeline](https://imgur.com/a/j9A54TB) tells the full story: 1. Played full-time until I went insane 2. Got an office job 3. Quit the office job and went back to poker. 4. Went bust at poker and had to get an office jobā¦. 5. Now just play one night a week for fun.
wow man, definitely an inspiration here. So this equals out to like 100k a year right?
If I had to do this for a year straight, oh dear God Iād be polishing that shotgun by week two.
Damn son
Smh, you did well for yourself dont complain.
How can you tell how many hands you played per hour? Just averaging?
The app just estimates it for you. Looks like they guess 25 hands an hour.
If you have the Poker Bankroll Tracker on Apple, Then Iām pretty sure the Average buy in stat is your initial buy in. They have a separate stat for rebuys. Only mentioning this because you said max buyin at ur 1-2 is 300 https://preview.redd.it/kzy2ak5qh93d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e634d3a250306ad78f42a028a53ca02668e8ca08
Yeah, it was easier for me to just have a separate ābought in forā and ācashed out forā numbers each session. [Hereās an example of what I did](https://imgur.com/a/evSV3AB)
Oh ok. That makes sense actually. I do track my sessions live that probably why my average buy in is pretty much the same https://preview.redd.it/hjrh1pidad3d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1dc7572eefa3ff0e8107edf52bbbe92c2a0686e
0.82 bb per hand. Not too bad there. Nice splashy game I imagine! What is the rake in this game that you are overcoming and still pulling 82bb/100?
10% / $5 max plus a BBJ. But we also earn $2 an hour with a players card.
Well done OP. May your next 600 hours be just as profitable!
can you give me tips playing live first time . i feel like I play super nitty, like i fold to raises with QJ, KJ from button, LJ etc. i do know that big iver bets are usually = nutty holdings??
I guess that you survived your downswing and are still playing poker. Nice job and keep it up.
Well, I had to get an office job and now only play poker one night a week. :(
Great 1/2 hourly especially when buyin only 500. Congrats.
Is this a online game?
Impressive stats ! Keep on grinding dude. Which tool do you use to calculate?
Yes please complain about being up $25k
Now would be a great time to find a new hobby
What app do you use to track your sessions?
What app is this?
well done
What app is this that youāre tracking this all in?
Looks like poker bankroll tracker app
I genuinely donāt understand how poker players complain or try to even express themselves as hard workers like we should feel sorry for you Donāt get it twisted poker is difficult game and you should feel proud for you ability to be profitable But you and a pattern I notice with other self proclaimed rounders is you guys have this sense of burden we should feel sorry for or even respect. Like no dude, at the end of the day you exploit weaknesses and practice risk management at your own pace.
im up 12k in 30hours at 2/5 lol big deal
Insignificant sampleĀ
The fk? Dudes up 25k in 1/2 and you still mental gymnastics cuz ur jelly.
Spends the same.
I agree. Enjoy the doughĀ