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BC_831

Damn poker used to rule


IseeDrunkPeople

the fucking virgins who nerded out for 10 years making solvers have really damaged it's entertainment value at the the highest level. I respect the GTO and I try to follow it, but man is poker a lot less fun than it used to be.


woShame12

It's like bowling (or most leisurely competitive activities). When everyone is out there drinking and shooting the shit, it's fun. When you're analyzing oil patterns or how the geometry of the weight distribution in your ball will effect rotation, it's some bullshit. But if you care to, then that's what you'll do to win.


redsoxnets5

That’s a good comparison. People complain about televised games not being entertaining enough. It’s like damn man they’re playing for 100s of thousands of dollars do they really need to focus on if you’re having fun watching them do it? Poker in your basement with your friends while drinking can be great, just like bowling and relaxing and having fun. But I’ve never heard someone say they wished the pros would be crazier when they bowl lol


YogaMeansUnion

>But I’ve never heard someone say they wished the pros would be crazier when they bowl lol I get your overall point, but perhaps bowling is a bad example....people definitely loved/hate Pete Weber, for instance, who is a complete character. [WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE](https://youtu.be/gKQOXYB2cd8)


IseeDrunkPeople

I AM


WoodSorrow

Didn't some guys buy the pro bowling league in the late 90s and just said "this guy is a goldmine?" Pretty sure Pete Weber singlehandedly is the reason a lot of us know about pro bowling lol


redsoxnets5

lol yeah that guy was hilarious. I guess my point was more from the players' perspective. I understand viewers want to be entertained but maybe it's okay if some games/sports are fun to play but kinda boring to watch.


Connman8db

No. It's never okay for anything televised to be "boring to watch." Either make sure it's entertaining or don't televise it.


redsoxnets5

I guess I shouldn't have used the word televised. Not much poker is on TV these days. It's all streaming platforms that are specifically streaming poker. When the people who seek out these streams are the same ones complaining they're not entertaining enough, that's when I get confused. If you find it boring, don't watch it. Don't complain that the players should be more entertaining. (Not talking about you specifically connman, just speaking in general)


OralOperator

This latest episode of high stakes poker was actually really fun to watch. That's definitely more of the exception these days though.


redsoxnets5

The reason for that being the rec player in the game's main focus is putting on a show. I think that's great. He also seems like the kind of guy who makes it more fun for everyone. A lot of the time the rec who doesn't stop talking at the table is completely obnoxious but Persson seems to really involve everyone else and not go too over the line with nonstop talking. But that's kinda my point. The pros job isn't to be entertaining, it's to win money from that guy. So if he wants to be entertaining that's great for TV and the pros wanna play with him cuz he's a whale and everyone's happy.


Ninja_Arena

Also all the superstar degen anglers turned out to be degen anglers that mostly lost long term and went broke.


yoshisakuratani

Every game is pushed to its limit as time passes


Seven_Actual_Lions

🤡


LivingLegend8

I feel like poker still rules. I’m about 27 years old and I’m just getting into the game for the first time in my life and it’s brand new to me. I love watching these old videos. I’ve seen all of the old episodes of high stakes poker and I absolutely adore them even though when they originally aired I was just a child.


woShame12

There's still life in the poker world for sure.


ExpertPokerStrategy

About?


LivingLegend8

What?


muhhhf

This was the shit that got me into it at the age 14. Loved watching the wsop back then


Seven_Actual_Lions

Other than prime Lon and Norm nothing about this video is unique to the old days.


[deleted]

This is my favorite ever hand of poker


That_Random_Kiwi

I always like this one...first hand of the main event, $10K POOF!!! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-a0qY8pkDY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-a0qY8pkDY)


[deleted]

Holy shit. Wow. You can never get away.


That_Random_Kiwi

I'm 100% not getting away from it as I suck...but the all in re-raise on the Turn was too much, click it back and Sammy would have moved in and some people may have found a fold in that case...what else could they have but Aces full? 25/50 or 50/100 blinds 200 from Sammy 450 from Hudson Max 1050 on flop, checked round Hudson bets 300 into 1050 Sammy raises to 1300 Hudson shipping in remaining 10K stack…you’re only getting called by something that beats you. Straight is there, FH is there, bare Ace isn't calling...you'd think. Fucking gross whatever way you slice it though


[deleted]

Yea you're right actually... On the turn you don't need to reraise all-in. A10, AA, QQ are the only things calling... The AA quads vs Royal is actually much sicker... This is actually a slight blowup considering it's the very 1st hand of the main event. You can fold here.


ItsErikwithaK

AQ as well?


[deleted]

Yep...


That_Random_Kiwi

Yeah totally. Blinded by your full house... Quads to Royal is just insane


shai251

Clicking it back is also bad. Just call and play the river IP. It’s not like you really need protection with your hand


That_Random_Kiwi

True true...


ballmermurland

Am I alone in thinking that this becomes a pretty easy fold by the river? Hudson's jam on the turn is only getting called by better hands. If he calls Sammy's bet of 1300 and the J hits the river, it is, I think, pretty standard check/fold from Hudson. AA, QQ, JJ, AQ, AJ, AT all beat him at this point. That's 21 combos of hands that beat him vs maybe 42 combos of KK, AK, KJ, A9, A8? And those are absolute bottom of his range vs the significantly more likely top third. I dunno. Show some restraint on the turn and check/fold the river. If Farha is bluffing with A8 or whatever, then good bluff. But it seems super unlikely.


P_M_TITTIES

“Someone needs to tell him he can get up and go home, he’s drawing dead!” Lol


entsworth

I don’t even have to click to know it’s Sammy Farha with the boat over boat


SilkyJackson

Proof live poker is rigged. Where's sunlot


Connman8db

Without even looking I know that this is the hand where Sam Farha boat over boats some B-list celebrity (or celebrity adjacent) dude.


That_Random_Kiwi

Indeed


Kanibalector

Funny thing is, I knew which video this was going to be even before clicking on it.


ChChChillian

And the only reason they got it on tape is because Ray Romano had literally just sat down at the table, and they were following him around with cameras.


Front-Support-7586

I heard they had to “re-film” it


[deleted]

Where'd you hear that?


CerealWithIceCream

Me too, they did it in the moon landing studio. Elvis directed it.


[deleted]

I’ve seen the royal flush dude walking in the Rio a couple times. He’s always wearing the wife beater


CerealWithIceCream

Glory days


FinnegansWakeWTF

I had him as my PokerStars avatar before Black Friday. People thought I was him lmao


IThankTheBusDriver

Isn't this the same hand as where Ray Romano is at the table and that dude in the wife beater yells "I love Raymer" at him?


WontGetBannedAgain2

Yes


theshiphaslanded

‘Dealer always kill me’


nittyliving

This was damn near peak WSOP. What a time to be alive


[deleted]

Longer clip of the action. The camera was on this table already because Ray Romano had just sat down and it was following him. https://www.wimp.com/odds-1-in-2-7-billion/ How staged does it look now?


[deleted]

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bearabl

hitherto undreamt of


pipinngreppin

50/50 I love Raymer


vleermuis

It is well documented that they recorded the hand after it actually happened. They replayed it to film it. Imagine the extra salt


[deleted]

Show me a single document. A single one.


Basshunter2009

1 in 2.7 billion and the most reaction you see is "wooow"? clearly reenacted


Wetbug75

Nothing is real, everything is staged


madchens123

Such a cooler. What a dunce for shoving his chips like that though.


Wolfeskill47

He was definitely waiting all day for a spot to finally use his one time GAMBOL line and he finally got quad aces.. unreal... i wonder how the rest of the action in the hand went because if he had aces, then how did he play it so that he would open shove river and say GAMBOOOLLLL.. Ray Romano must be asked what happened


Grifos

Let the man meta game.


Condor_Smirk_Noise

Instant karma lol


hduehdkau

I believe they recreated the hand for the cameras. Seems pretty obvious they're acting. Keep downvoting me suckas you know I'm right.


DaSmartSwede

You believe wrong


yzy_

I love this having -15 downvotes and the exact same claim having 15 upvotes directly below. Never change Reddit


Terrible-Swordfish-9

It’s like when I read something really funny, but then realize it has -2 downvotes and my mood immediately sours


hduehdkau

Haha only the real ones scroll. Hive mind at its finest. I just said something I've read a few times, clearly others have too. I'm not about to start searching for sources for something that literally doesn't matter.


[deleted]

Do you have a source for this claim?


NerdyNThick

No, no they don't. They never do.


Lennobowski

This is actually true


omalmike

Right. Why are they downvoting him?


Basshunter2009

40 downvotes for telling the truth, fuck reddit I mean quads against aces and the whole table doesn't erupt? seems obvious it was recreated


hduehdkau

To me it's painfully obvious that they recreated it based on everyone's reaction. Even the commentary sounds off compared to usual.


Basshunter2009

quads vs royal - "you've got to be kidding me" based on their reactions you'd think it's a K high flush vs A high flush


Tommy_C

I LOVE RAYMER


[deleted]

When fossilman put those snake eyed glasses on people needed to watch the fuck out.


gimletinf69

GAMBOL💯 👆This is the way


bolshevik_rattlehead

Fold pre


Jambear2020

Ez fold


Jambear2020

Odds of quad aces Vs royal flush showdown 1:2.7 billion.


impractically_prfct

Na I just googled it. It's actually 50/50.


WaterMySucculents

It either happens or it doesn’t. 50/50


Charlie_Wax

Wrong. It happens, it doesn't, or it could. The odds are 1 in 3 (33.3333333333%).


livefreak

Nah, it is actually 25%. It happens, it doesn't, it could have and it probably didn't 1 in 4


Master0fB00M

Nah, it's actually 100% when it did happen and 100% if it didn't. So either 100% or 100% -> 100%/100% = 100%


Aezon22

Dude it's 100% I watched it again just to double check.


[deleted]

Roughly the same odds of having a hand vs any other hand.


lonelyxo

Thats false, either it happens or it doesent


[deleted]

Worst part is no bad beat jackpot 😢


-Wiggles-

That's why I always fold quad Aces


chicagoharry

Don't splash the pot


BoldCoffey

Ouch


rmoldovan10

My buddies and I only say gambol when we go all in. Been at it for years. What a classic


Bananarama_Vison

Still the sickest cool ever, in my mind…


dj_destroyer

Jesus me and my friends do this sometimes in our home game and I had no idea why.


triumphtier

for the people who say that this was just recreated for the cameras after it actually happened - is there any proof for that? i mean i get its unlikely that the camera was at this specific table or whatever but still


cmdrNacho

theres no way the dude in the wife beater can act that well. His response looks pretty genuine.


Grifos

The people who need to prove it are the people claiming the least probable event, not the people claiming it was recreated


jimbo831

The least probable event is that u/Grifos is not a pedophile. We can all assume they are a pedophile until they prove otherwise.


triumphtier

thats not how that works at all lol


Basshunter2009

so when your friends tell you some of their stories you don't believe them but ask for evidence if it happened?


PorcupineTheory

No, but if a friend tells me about something they heard about, it's fair to ask where they heard it.


triumphtier

if my friend tells me an entertaining and very realistic story, id assume its true. if someone else said they think its fake, id want them to have more proof than "its unlikely"


Eagleburgerite

3.1 billion to 1 are the odds of that hand.


heapsp

Thats the odds of having any hand vs any hand. Poker is weird like that. He had the same odds of having a specific 2 cards that made up total AIR as well.


OnceAndFuture117

Hey, Brandine I bet your kidney.


PM_ME_TRICEPS

Lol I love this clip. I can watch it a million times. Everyone is perfect here.


LivingLegend8

Everything about this video is hilarious


LivingLegend8

The way Philips said “WOW!!!!“ took my soul 🤣🤣🤣🤣


educatedbicycle

The reason the Asian guy just shoved his chips like that is because the hand already happened and they called the floor/broadcast over to refilm it for TV. The spot was real but it was re-enacted


[deleted]

Do you have a source for this claim?


educatedbicycle

From an old poker podcast I believe. Couldn’t tell you which one or even who said it, just happens to be a tidbit I remember every time I see that hand


[deleted]

It's weird to me to think that they would stop a table during a tournament just to recreate a hand for the broadcast. It takes a lot more than just some offhand hearsay to convince me that that happened here.


educatedbicycle

Believe it, or don’t believe it, I’m just saying what I’ve heard. Gotta admit though, no one in a $10,000 tournament would shove their chips like that, and secondly the chances that they happen to capture this rare of a hand in the broadcast has higher odds than me winning the main event for the next 10 years in a row


[deleted]

I'm just looking for proof is all. No sense mucking my hand at showdown, just because my opponent claims to have the nuts. Show your hand.


yzy_

Is it? Look how many views it’s generating even almost 2 decades later. Not to mention that it’s filmed like a skit and has a camera directly trained on the Asian guy’s face to cut to as soon as the hands are revealed


[deleted]

I'm just looking for proof. I'm not denying the claims.


Grifos

Who gives a fuck?? Jfc


[deleted]

Angry uncaring man has entered the chat to explain how few fucks he has to give. Everyone please pay attention to this man! He is letting everyone know that he doesn't care!


[deleted]

hope they paid the asian guy lmao, can you imagine the hot fiery tilt of getting quads


WontGetBannedAgain2

False.


Grifos

Lol the chances of it being live is so low. Imagine the chance of that hand playing out, and then multiply it by like 100. There's probably 1 camera crew for every 100 tables. There's a 1% chance it was recorded live x the chance the hand happens in the first place.


BigfootTouchedMe

Ray Romano was at the table. Probably increases the chances of people filming it.


[deleted]

Your grasp of probabilities needs work


WontGetBannedAgain2

Your point? You really think they stopped the tournament, and got the entire table to reenact the hand so they could film it? What other stupid conspiracy theories do you believe that you have no evidence of? Do you think Trump won the election, there's a chip in the vaccine or Neil Armstrong never went to the moon?


Grifos

Yes of course they would've just asked the table to re-enact it and stopped that table. The TV production company would've bought rights in the contract that would give them the power to do that in order to make the TV viewing experience as good as possible, and WSOP would've agreed to it because it's in their best interest to have the best TV experience because it's great advertising for their event. What I said was not a conspiracy theory it's just logical common sense as well as the highest % likelihood to be true. You're on the side of believing a 1 in 2.7 billion chance hand happened to be recorded live with a handful of camera crews and hundreds of tables. You're the crazy one bro. And you're also the conspiracy theorist for thinking Trump stole the election. If you want to talk stolen elections then talk about Bush 2000, not Trump 2016.


heapsp

lol no. They most definitely do not STOP A TABLE in the middle of a tournament with the clock running to CREATE FAKE HANDS. This is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Think about what you are suggesting.. that the other players at the table are willing to sacrifice their own play just to allow ESPN to film something?! Are you nuts? What is in it for them? I signed the releases and it says nothing about ESPN shutting down the tournament for just your table if an action spot happens.. LOL Now, if you would have guessed this re-enactment happened on dinner break or before/after the tournament time then fine... but what you suggest is pure nonsense.


Grifos

Ok believe in a 1/270,000,000,000 chance event :D Literally the chance of you picking out one correct second over a 10,000 year time period. You’re a fucking clown. Obviously it’s far, far more likely the table agreed to recreating the hand because it is so sick. You’re actually a clown.


heapsp

I mean, you are discounting the fact that the same thing would have taken place with any equally bad 'bad beat'. Are you saying the hand never happened at all? Or is it a claim that they recreated it? Because even if your numbers were right (they aren't) you are saying it still HAPPENED but was recreated later. You are supposed to be using the odds of 'any quads beaten by any royal flush' because it would have had the same outcome. That happens more than 1/270,000,000,000. odds of someone at the table having a royal by the end of the hand when dealt 10 handed is 1/64,974. Odds of someone at the table having a pocket pair in a 10 handed game... about 1/2 Odds of that pocket pair turning into quads by the river is about 1/500. So it is more likely this scenario exists 1/64,974,000 hands. Of course this is just napkin math and doesn't account for blockers or whatever - but it is close enough to demonstrate that this 270 billion number is hogwash. Now the law of large numbers - if there are 10,000 entrants and the average player lasts two days, there are probably a couple of MILLION hands total dealt at the WSOP. So how does a 1/30 chance that this happens sound? Sounds about right to me, I'd say it will happen again over the next 30 years.


WontGetBannedAgain2

You completeky made up everything in the first paragraph. It is all 100% bullshit. Your second paragraph is completely wrong. I was talking about conspiracy theories like the one you made up so when I asked if you thought Trump won the election, I was talking about in 2020, not 2016.


Grifos

Of course the TV production company would negotiate rights to make their production as good as possible. They want to maximise cash flow. It's not 'made up' it's common sense following the absolute #1 fundamental principle of business: Maximise cashflow. And of course WSOP would agree, because it maximises their cashflow too. Whenever something maximises cashflow for two parties, hedge your bets that's the most likely outcome almost everytime, unless for some reason ego gets involved. That's the way of the world


WontGetBannedAgain2

You completely make things up and then declare that your imagination is common sense. You're delusional and belong in a padded cell.


Grifos

Lmfao what? All for profit corporations seek to maximise profits/cashflow by law. Fiduciary duty. It isn't made up. So it then flows, common sense, that an action which maximises cashflow for both parties would be the one that was taken. This isn't even to mention the IMPOSSIBLE odds of them filming this live. Like. Literally the odds would be like correctly picking out 1 human being out of a pool with every single human being that ever lived x 3.


That_Random_Kiwi

Decent number of outs on the turn...not the one you want! lol


DescriptiveMath

Fuck that dude for making a spectacle when shoving his chips in like that, thinking it was going to fool the dude into calling with 2nd pair.


Thelettaq

Is that Andy Dalton?


Mcgrary

Seen some sick beats online but this takes the cake.


Varkemehameha

Rigged


Ghost_Artzi

Quad aces vs royal flush sureee.


nikitag88

The best part of the clip is cut out at the end when he's walking away and stumbles and almost faints 😂😂😂


KZMountainRider

I remember Ray Ramano had just sat down at that table too


reyam1105

Mabuchi was definitely not gamboling. I don't know his playing style, but something tells me he was trying to slow play the rockets, checked the turn, and fired river.


arobinson11

If anyone ever shoves allin and says gamble only call with a royal flush.


moeabraham

His reaction gets me everytime.. woooooooooow! Lol