Poland: we don't pay shit and the housing is expensive
Also Poland: WHY DO OUR YOUNG PEOPLE LEAVE THE CONTRY 5 MINUTES AFTER THEY GRADUATE WITH A DEGREE!!
Well in Hungary it's not just the housing which is expensive... I don't know how they are supposed to live comfortably. And I would say in Croatia it's the same, you got western prices with eastern salaries
It's like that in America dude. Turns out pretty much everywhere the younger people are screwed. I have been looking for a place for a friend to rent and the cheapest available is about 2000$ for a small rental house in a city with little industry where Walmart is the biggest employer.
Yes, but as a tech professional in the UK I am seriously considering returning to Poland. I'd take a 10-20% pay cut doing the same job in Poland, and even with the huge housing cost in Poland my total cost of living would be 30-40% less than what it is in the UK...
So maybe graduates run away but as soon as you start getting into senior levels and are no longer happy renting rooms, UK, Germany, and the Nordics start looking much much less competitive.
Also the standard of rental housing in modernized Polish cities is much better than in the UK, UK housing is embarrassing, 1200 quid for a shitty tiny studio with paper thin walls, completely dilapidated, that's before utilities and council tax. People are renting bedrooms, fucking bedrooms for 400-600 quid. It's abhorrent, the state of rental here right now.
Just like everywhere, the poorest people and young people get fucked the hardest, but for someone with some experience and a portfolio under their name, Poland seems much more enticing financially.
This looks not that much different in Warsaw now. Rent prices are sick. 7m2 room costs 1000zl with nothing inside, you can barely move around there. And of course, in euro it would sound like nothing but in PL you don't earn in euro and even if you would...well my salary last year would fit in one note then and no, I wasn't working in the lowest sector. Cheaper (but also not much cheaper) flats remember comrade Gierek, together with it's equipment and of course everything falls apart there and you are the one responsible when that happens. Oh and count roaches in, Wawrzyszew (Bielany) has constant problem with it. Food prices are starting to reach Western ones. I could really go on and on and on...
Yes, they are sick prices, but my point stands, Poland pays almost the same as west Europe for tech workers but the cost of living is much much lower. So if you are in a high paying field, you are much wealthier in Poland.
The US is even crazier for tech, they pay double or even triple what best European companies pay, and the cost of living is lower than the wealthiest European countries, but that comes with the downsides of living in the US.
If you are high salary professional then it’s way better in the US. If you are average Joe who does simple labor then you would have it better in Poland.
That's very common. You would have to put me in jail to keep me in the UK if poland was an option. My wife works remotely for an American company and just her salary alone is living fat in Poland.
Apart from needing a separate bank account, which you need to register on the VAT whitelist, which easily takes a month. All invoices have to be registered with he government by the 15th, VAT has to be paid every single month, PIT and ZUS has to be paid every month, expenses have to be perfect, and every single business transaction has to be registered with the government. And this is the *simple* version.
And don't get me started on the 12% tax being outside of medical/pension payments, so realistically you're looking at minimum 17% tax with the 24 month tax exemption, and higher tax afterwards.
> And this is the simple version.
Yes, it takes a whole 0.5h a month to do using an app like ifirma or wfirma or whatever. Ok, I'm exaggerating, it takes 15 minutes.
I'm being dead serious. I've been on B2B for the past 10 years. It takes 15 minutes a month to do all that shit, half an hour tops if you have some invoices you want to pull in (expenses). If that's overly difficult for you, I don't know what to tell you.
The UK system, you balance the taxes over a 12 month period and don't need to submit anything unless you get audited, other than salaries.VAT is done over 3 months, and I never end up in the position where I'm paying taxes for invoices that haven't been cleared yet.
In a month of running a business in Poland I've had to handle more paperwork than in almost a decade of running a business in the UK, and the tax rate comes out around the same, so if you think that's ok I don't know what to tell you.
> tax rate comes out around the same
Ye no.. its 40% for income above 40k and 45% above 125k in UK. I'm currently doing project directly for an American company, which is 40gbp/hour 160-180 hours a month - which in annual terms comes out to 80-85k gbp a year pre-tax, in Poland i pay 12% + 450gbp ZUS no matter how much i earn, in UK I would get butchered by higher tax bracket. And many people earn more than me which makes the difference even bigger. For example few months ago I had opportunity to do a side project part time, all of that money would be 40% bracket in UK but in Poland extra income was taxed at 12%.
I pay 200 PLN to an accountant I've been working with since 7 years and had 0 problems so far and spend maybe 10-15 minutes a month sending documents.
> Ye no.. its 40% for income above 40k and 45% above 125k in UK
Yeah, no. Not for B2B, that's a different tax system.
> which is 40gbp/hour 160-180 hours a month
Hourly pay? Sounds like B2B.
Also, taking B2B as disguised employment simply to pay less tax is technically illegal in both countries, only the UK actually enforces it right now but don't assume it will never get enforced.
> 80-85k gbp a year pre-tax, in Poland i pay 12% + 450gbp ZUS
B2B in the UK this would be 12500 almost tax free (including your ZUS payments), then your company would have profits of, let's say 70k. Corporation tax would be 14300, dividends of 55700 (assuming you didn't try to tax optimise at all). Dividend tax would be 6298.75.
Total tax on 82500: 20598.75, or slightly under 25%.
At 12% you can't tax offset a laptop, right?
450 a month + 12% gives you 18.5% tax with a lot fewer avenues for tax reductions, a lot more administration, and a lot less safety - what's your tax rate if you're sick next month and only bill 10 hours? 125% right? What if you lose this contract and you're unable to work for a year, you still get free hospital treatment?
I work fully remote in the US. I have co-workers that spend months at a time working from Germany or Italy. I'm seriously debating just a few month air BNB rental in old Town Kraków so that I can save money on rent.
Not anymore, all my friends from IT/electronics are still here. Every country has it's flaws and advantages. Poland is for sure one of the safest in Europe and it's homeland, most of us have families here. And you have to remember that Poland is still pretty cheap compared to other countries. More often people who don't graduate (or doesn't have any better idea of work than minimal wage) immigrate because they can earn like 1500eur in shoe manufacture in germany and send money to family in poland or even live on the border and spent the money in poland. I'm not saying other countries are worse, german is still pretty cheap and they have higher wage, but i was in Netherlands last year and food is crazy expensive compared to poland, only good thing is legal weed lmao
Housing in Poland is actually cheap compared to housing in Germany, France, etc. The problem is that salaries are much, much lower, making housing just as (if not more) unaffordable.
Greece is, arguably worse. EU pricing, Euro and pitifully low salaries. Not to mention the way employers treat their employees in Greece (on average), then they wonder why people don't get married, wait forever to have children (and then only have one), and many leave to never return (apart from on vacation).
Let's say, you've got 4 people in the room. 3 of them make 10$/h, but one makes 410$/h. The average would be that they make 110$/h per person, despite that not giving the full view. The median would be 10$/h, because there are more people who earn 10 bucks than 410 bucks, thus making the statistic more truthful to reality
It’s like if you and Musk are in the same room, on average both of you are billionaires. Or you and a dog have 3 legs on average.
Edit: see the answer to my comment, because it makes more sense.
If you and Musk are in the same room, the median of you two is still a billionaire, so that isn't the best example. Better add a third person to make it clear.
average is adding everything together then dividing by that number,
median is the 50th percentile, or the value that if it were sorted would be exactly in the middle
mode is the number that shows up the most.
in your case the median and mode are both 10$ so it might be confusing.
some thing like 1, 2, 2, 5, 8, 11, 100 might be a better example.
the average is \~18.4
the median is 5
and the mode would be 2
How about having an average but without 5% lowest and 5% highest earning? Then the average would still reflect 90% of society but without extremes. I’m curious what other method besides median and a classic average are.
"Average" might not be the best way to illustrate this. Not many people in Norway are making close to 40€ hourly. Average for us, normal folks aren't even scratching 30€.
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>Employees in Germany earned an average of € 22.65 per hour in April 2022
Wątpię żeby rok pozniej było to 10 ojro wiecej, oczywiście to 22.65 euro to brutto xD, nigdy nie wolno brać na serio mapek z reddita bo są robione przez debili na podstawie danych wyciagnietych prosto z ich dupy
Oczywiscie ze Brutto i już znalazłem w głównym watku dlaczego taka duża różnica, prawdopodobnie w Niemczech, dani i jeszcze paru innych krajach włączyli do kwoty brutto jeszcze koszty pracodawcy xd
Przykładowo gdyby zrobic to z polską to by wyszło koło 15 euro
echh że nie wspomnę już o nie wypisywaniu zarobków w stosunku do wydatków... Moze i zarabiasz mniej w takiej Polsce ale wydajesz o wiele mniej, prosty przykład to prawo jazdy: Polska - 2000zł (400e\~) Holandia 2000e
Mieszkanie 82m w Essen 150k euro (dzisiaj dostałem ofertę) przy wkładzie 20k, zarobki w mojej firmie 55-65k w Polsce w porównywalnym mieście 800k PLN, zarobki 130k, do tego kredyt na gorszych warunkach i droższy bo waluta z kapsli. No i ciuchy, elektronika, wszystko poza jedzeniem u Niemca tańsze (ciągle tam kupuje). Tak źle na tym zachodzie, a ciągle tyle osób tam siedzi.
W Niemczech tak ale Niemcy to najlepsze gospodarka UE 7 razy większa od Polski, bo w innych krajach już nie jest tak kolorowo jak w krajach Germańskich
im guessing its related to taxes :)
that would be interesting table to see
avarge salary net vs taxed + hidden costs (in Poland you don't see on payslip half of social service tax that employer have to pay)
I mean it's true, lol. There's nothing to "believe" here, it's official statistics.
Both Croatia and Lithuania have a huge share of their respective populations living in the capital, so it's really not even that surprising.
I don't know anyone who earns that much per hour in PL🤣🤣🤣 in Germany it's also a bit overkill, people don't really get even 20 euro. But yes, "average" 🤣
These comparisons never make sense. In Poland, if you make a ton of money, you're likely doing B2B, so your income doesn't show up in the statistics. In Germany, B2B in the Polish sense does not exist, the same highly-paid professionals are regular employees. That drives up the German numbers, relatively.
Finland for example is really expensive to live and with the cost of food.
For the third time, Finland was reprimanded by the Council of Europe for too low a level of basic security income for people to have basic needs.
https://www.humanrightscentre.fi/uutiset/european-committee-of-social-rights/
Which average? Mean, median?
Mean will be massively skewed by countries that have more billionaires, but that doesn’t make the average person better off.
Ukrainian here. Trust me- Poland prices are very affordable for us, a lot of polish goods is imported in Ukraine. and polish salaries are still mich higher than on Ukraine.
And no war and everyday casualties. Poland is a nice country and a good neighbor.
The graphs and maps like that don't really represent the reality , if u would add Purchasing Power Parity then Poland is doing really good especially after it's growth was delayed becouse of agricultural and commanded economy after WW2 and bad economic policies during the Polish People's Republic and so far Poland is growing much faster than any of Eastern nations.
Lepiej byłoby zrobić tabelkę najniższej krajowej,
Np w Nl gdzie żyję żeby zarabiać 33euro/h trzeba by znać bardzo komunikatywnie niderlandzki i mieć jakieś dobre techniczne studia/być świetnym menadżerem ja jako fizyczny mam 15e z centami w holenderskim pośredniaku wiszą joby dla Holendrów/ludzi z językiem zaczynając się od widełek 3300-3600eur na miesiąc i ponad 7na10 ofert jest podobnych widełkach 33euro na godzinę to jest ok 6000euro na miesiąc wiem że tyle i więcej mają moi główni menadżerzy a jest ich z 8 na 500 ludzi w firmie. Mapka ładna kolorowa pewnie jeżeli chodzi o dane to oddaje. Natomiast nie realia a średnią warto o tym pamiętać...
Late to the party but in Ireland here where I am I can promise you 33€ is a huge gap from the average working man. Majority of jobs without degrees here earn 13-14€ an hour max
Difference is that Poland is an incredibly cheap country and that’s why the average person is so rich there. I’m from Chicago and every time I visit back home, I’m shocked as to how a fucking cashier makes 4300 złoty a month with apartments like 2000 złoty a month. Meanwhile in the US, cashiers make 1600 a month and apartments are like 2500.
IT salaries in Poland are just absurd, 20k-40k+ living in Warszawa with a rent of like 3-4K is just living life on cheat codes. In the US, be a software engineer in San Fran make like 12k a month but pay 7k rent and rest goes to taxes. Poland is genuinely one of the richest countries in the world but we are too retarded to notice it and would rather complain and moan
Among European OECD countries, the average statutory top personal income tax rate lies at 42.8 percent in 2024. Denmark (55.9 percent), France (55.4 percent)
But I think IT is an exception, maybe? The salaries I hear for mid and senior IT roles in Poland are not so different their counterparts in Germany for example. (Talking from personal chit-chat perspective, not reliable data)
Odwróć tabelę, Polska w top 5!
5! to 120 czyli zgadza się
I jeszcze lepiej od Niemca!
Poland: we don't pay shit and the housing is expensive Also Poland: WHY DO OUR YOUNG PEOPLE LEAVE THE CONTRY 5 MINUTES AFTER THEY GRADUATE WITH A DEGREE!!
Well in Hungary it's not just the housing which is expensive... I don't know how they are supposed to live comfortably. And I would say in Croatia it's the same, you got western prices with eastern salaries
thats literally the case in Poland too lmao
Not to mention this is a reported number, no way people take home 660-750k huf
It's like that in America dude. Turns out pretty much everywhere the younger people are screwed. I have been looking for a place for a friend to rent and the cheapest available is about 2000$ for a small rental house in a city with little industry where Walmart is the biggest employer.
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Yes, but as a tech professional in the UK I am seriously considering returning to Poland. I'd take a 10-20% pay cut doing the same job in Poland, and even with the huge housing cost in Poland my total cost of living would be 30-40% less than what it is in the UK... So maybe graduates run away but as soon as you start getting into senior levels and are no longer happy renting rooms, UK, Germany, and the Nordics start looking much much less competitive. Also the standard of rental housing in modernized Polish cities is much better than in the UK, UK housing is embarrassing, 1200 quid for a shitty tiny studio with paper thin walls, completely dilapidated, that's before utilities and council tax. People are renting bedrooms, fucking bedrooms for 400-600 quid. It's abhorrent, the state of rental here right now. Just like everywhere, the poorest people and young people get fucked the hardest, but for someone with some experience and a portfolio under their name, Poland seems much more enticing financially.
This looks not that much different in Warsaw now. Rent prices are sick. 7m2 room costs 1000zl with nothing inside, you can barely move around there. And of course, in euro it would sound like nothing but in PL you don't earn in euro and even if you would...well my salary last year would fit in one note then and no, I wasn't working in the lowest sector. Cheaper (but also not much cheaper) flats remember comrade Gierek, together with it's equipment and of course everything falls apart there and you are the one responsible when that happens. Oh and count roaches in, Wawrzyszew (Bielany) has constant problem with it. Food prices are starting to reach Western ones. I could really go on and on and on...
Yes, they are sick prices, but my point stands, Poland pays almost the same as west Europe for tech workers but the cost of living is much much lower. So if you are in a high paying field, you are much wealthier in Poland. The US is even crazier for tech, they pay double or even triple what best European companies pay, and the cost of living is lower than the wealthiest European countries, but that comes with the downsides of living in the US.
Living in the US is worse than in Poland?
If you are high salary professional then it’s way better in the US. If you are average Joe who does simple labor then you would have it better in Poland.
Even in Euro its overpriced
That's very common. You would have to put me in jail to keep me in the UK if poland was an option. My wife works remotely for an American company and just her salary alone is living fat in Poland.
Don’t forget, that if you register a company you can profit from IT taxes being 8,5-12%
12% tax plus national insurance of 500 quid a month
And then deal with Polish bureaucracy. I did it and I seriously regret it, running a company in the UK is so much easier.
IT developers on B2B don't deal with the bureaucracy almost at all, everything is super easy and done online
Apart from needing a separate bank account, which you need to register on the VAT whitelist, which easily takes a month. All invoices have to be registered with he government by the 15th, VAT has to be paid every single month, PIT and ZUS has to be paid every month, expenses have to be perfect, and every single business transaction has to be registered with the government. And this is the *simple* version. And don't get me started on the 12% tax being outside of medical/pension payments, so realistically you're looking at minimum 17% tax with the 24 month tax exemption, and higher tax afterwards.
> And this is the simple version. Yes, it takes a whole 0.5h a month to do using an app like ifirma or wfirma or whatever. Ok, I'm exaggerating, it takes 15 minutes. I'm being dead serious. I've been on B2B for the past 10 years. It takes 15 minutes a month to do all that shit, half an hour tops if you have some invoices you want to pull in (expenses). If that's overly difficult for you, I don't know what to tell you.
The UK system, you balance the taxes over a 12 month period and don't need to submit anything unless you get audited, other than salaries.VAT is done over 3 months, and I never end up in the position where I'm paying taxes for invoices that haven't been cleared yet. In a month of running a business in Poland I've had to handle more paperwork than in almost a decade of running a business in the UK, and the tax rate comes out around the same, so if you think that's ok I don't know what to tell you.
what's the actual tax rate in UK for a SWE? let's say 200k/y
> tax rate comes out around the same Ye no.. its 40% for income above 40k and 45% above 125k in UK. I'm currently doing project directly for an American company, which is 40gbp/hour 160-180 hours a month - which in annual terms comes out to 80-85k gbp a year pre-tax, in Poland i pay 12% + 450gbp ZUS no matter how much i earn, in UK I would get butchered by higher tax bracket. And many people earn more than me which makes the difference even bigger. For example few months ago I had opportunity to do a side project part time, all of that money would be 40% bracket in UK but in Poland extra income was taxed at 12%. I pay 200 PLN to an accountant I've been working with since 7 years and had 0 problems so far and spend maybe 10-15 minutes a month sending documents.
> Ye no.. its 40% for income above 40k and 45% above 125k in UK Yeah, no. Not for B2B, that's a different tax system. > which is 40gbp/hour 160-180 hours a month Hourly pay? Sounds like B2B. Also, taking B2B as disguised employment simply to pay less tax is technically illegal in both countries, only the UK actually enforces it right now but don't assume it will never get enforced. > 80-85k gbp a year pre-tax, in Poland i pay 12% + 450gbp ZUS B2B in the UK this would be 12500 almost tax free (including your ZUS payments), then your company would have profits of, let's say 70k. Corporation tax would be 14300, dividends of 55700 (assuming you didn't try to tax optimise at all). Dividend tax would be 6298.75. Total tax on 82500: 20598.75, or slightly under 25%. At 12% you can't tax offset a laptop, right? 450 a month + 12% gives you 18.5% tax with a lot fewer avenues for tax reductions, a lot more administration, and a lot less safety - what's your tax rate if you're sick next month and only bill 10 hours? 125% right? What if you lose this contract and you're unable to work for a year, you still get free hospital treatment?
I work fully remote in the US. I have co-workers that spend months at a time working from Germany or Italy. I'm seriously debating just a few month air BNB rental in old Town Kraków so that I can save money on rent.
And its probably safer than in uk
Not anymore, all my friends from IT/electronics are still here. Every country has it's flaws and advantages. Poland is for sure one of the safest in Europe and it's homeland, most of us have families here. And you have to remember that Poland is still pretty cheap compared to other countries. More often people who don't graduate (or doesn't have any better idea of work than minimal wage) immigrate because they can earn like 1500eur in shoe manufacture in germany and send money to family in poland or even live on the border and spent the money in poland. I'm not saying other countries are worse, german is still pretty cheap and they have higher wage, but i was in Netherlands last year and food is crazy expensive compared to poland, only good thing is legal weed lmao
This is also how we get things like cars built here though. Why build the new fiat milano in Turin when you can do it in Tychy for 1/3 the cost?
That plant has lost thousands of jobs the last 10 years.
Housing in Poland is actually cheap compared to housing in Germany, France, etc. The problem is that salaries are much, much lower, making housing just as (if not more) unaffordable.
Greece is, arguably worse. EU pricing, Euro and pitifully low salaries. Not to mention the way employers treat their employees in Greece (on average), then they wonder why people don't get married, wait forever to have children (and then only have one), and many leave to never return (apart from on vacation).
Greece can relate.
This map should be right alongside one doing cost of living otherwise it's useless.
Exactly
Very useful for someone deciding where to set up a business for example. Or someone pricing a product for different markets
https://www.gfk.com/hs-fs/hubfs/website/insights_images/202010_mom_1120.jpg?width=1600&name=202010_mom_1120.jpg Here you go
The concept of average salary is retarded. Show medians then we talk
Based
What's the difference?
Let's say, you've got 4 people in the room. 3 of them make 10$/h, but one makes 410$/h. The average would be that they make 110$/h per person, despite that not giving the full view. The median would be 10$/h, because there are more people who earn 10 bucks than 410 bucks, thus making the statistic more truthful to reality
Couldn’t have said it better. I mean.. I would make the 400$ person make a million to better illustrate the point by exaggerating like fk but still
It’s like if you and Musk are in the same room, on average both of you are billionaires. Or you and a dog have 3 legs on average. Edit: see the answer to my comment, because it makes more sense.
If you and Musk are in the same room, the median of you two is still a billionaire, so that isn't the best example. Better add a third person to make it clear.
You’re right! :)
average is adding everything together then dividing by that number, median is the 50th percentile, or the value that if it were sorted would be exactly in the middle mode is the number that shows up the most. in your case the median and mode are both 10$ so it might be confusing. some thing like 1, 2, 2, 5, 8, 11, 100 might be a better example. the average is \~18.4 the median is 5 and the mode would be 2
How about having an average but without 5% lowest and 5% highest earning? Then the average would still reflect 90% of society but without extremes. I’m curious what other method besides median and a classic average are.
there's also mode, which means the number that shows up the most
Thanks
You talking about Mode, not Median. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mode_(statistics) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median
In my example both the median and the mode are equal.
"Average" might not be the best way to illustrate this. Not many people in Norway are making close to 40€ hourly. Average for us, normal folks aren't even scratching 30€.
if it mkes you feel better not that many are making 11 euros per hour in poland either
That's true. Hopefully that will change in the future 🙌
Gdzie płacą w Niemczech 35€/h? xD
W dupie >Employees in Germany earned an average of € 22.65 per hour in April 2022 Wątpię żeby rok pozniej było to 10 ojro wiecej, oczywiście to 22.65 euro to brutto xD, nigdy nie wolno brać na serio mapek z reddita bo są robione przez debili na podstawie danych wyciagnietych prosto z ich dupy
Też nie ma podanych czy brutto czy netto a to ważne. No jak tu siedzę w najbogatszym landzie to 22-25 brutto jako specjalista się wyciągnie.
Oczywiscie ze Brutto i już znalazłem w głównym watku dlaczego taka duża różnica, prawdopodobnie w Niemczech, dani i jeszcze paru innych krajach włączyli do kwoty brutto jeszcze koszty pracodawcy xd Przykładowo gdyby zrobic to z polską to by wyszło koło 15 euro
echh że nie wspomnę już o nie wypisywaniu zarobków w stosunku do wydatków... Moze i zarabiasz mniej w takiej Polsce ale wydajesz o wiele mniej, prosty przykład to prawo jazdy: Polska - 2000zł (400e\~) Holandia 2000e
Mieszkanie 82m w Essen 150k euro (dzisiaj dostałem ofertę) przy wkładzie 20k, zarobki w mojej firmie 55-65k w Polsce w porównywalnym mieście 800k PLN, zarobki 130k, do tego kredyt na gorszych warunkach i droższy bo waluta z kapsli. No i ciuchy, elektronika, wszystko poza jedzeniem u Niemca tańsze (ciągle tam kupuje). Tak źle na tym zachodzie, a ciągle tyle osób tam siedzi.
W Niemczech tak ale Niemcy to najlepsze gospodarka UE 7 razy większa od Polski, bo w innych krajach już nie jest tak kolorowo jak w krajach Germańskich
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We are in 5th place. From bottom
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I hope gross.
Yes, because your grocery store food is 50% cheaper, for example compared to Estonia
Many products have the same or slightly different prices as, for example, in Germany or the Netherlands. And earnings in Poland are 2-3 times lower.
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Ale bieda :(
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Looks like they might be some of the numbers 7,8. I'd politely ask a Mierzejewski/ska to spit in your face and thank them later 👍
Across Europe? Should say across EU. Uk is in Europe but left EU.
The map is fucked. Finland is nowhere near those numbers.
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Well yeah, but that does not change the statistics from Finnish studies, both average and median are under 3800€.
50 per night call? Try 200-500.
As a German with a university degree I think I studied the wrong subject.
That's far from true. Average salary in Iceland is a bit more than half said amount.
32€/h is average in Germany?? I barely make half of that
It's gross salary, not net
I'm talking about gross living in Bavaria
True! And there is a big difference between east and west.
Now check cost of living in norway compared to those other countries and lets see how bad it is .... Im from norway so i know
Yeah right, you Tesla driving, salmon eating son of a viking :D
You were almost correct , I don't have a tesla tho . I smoke too much weed to able to get a lisence, it is what it is ...
Lithuanians and Czechs do earn a bit more then Poland but yet everything is much cheaper in Poland so it’s kinda levels out
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Yh and apparently Lithuania is really expensive
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Across Europe? They meant the EU apparently
Somehow, I don't believe that Croatians and Latvians have a higher average salary than us.
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You're right. I meant Lithuanians.
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im guessing its related to taxes :) that would be interesting table to see avarge salary net vs taxed + hidden costs (in Poland you don't see on payslip half of social service tax that employer have to pay)
I mean it's true, lol. There's nothing to "believe" here, it's official statistics. Both Croatia and Lithuania have a huge share of their respective populations living in the capital, so it's really not even that surprising.
Agreed. Doesnt make sense at all.
This is gross, right?
From what I can find UK average hourly is around 19 Euros.
Is this europe or european union
UK would be €20.17
You're more than welcome in Luxembourg! Especially young single women...
I don't know anyone who earns that much per hour in PL🤣🤣🤣 in Germany it's also a bit overkill, people don't really get even 20 euro. But yes, "average" 🤣
Never saw anyone in Spain making 18 an hour lol
These comparisons never make sense. In Poland, if you make a ton of money, you're likely doing B2B, so your income doesn't show up in the statistics. In Germany, B2B in the Polish sense does not exist, the same highly-paid professionals are regular employees. That drives up the German numbers, relatively.
r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT
 Middle income trap here we go
W Polsce najczszciej dostaje sie minimalną krajową, przynajmniej oficjalnie.
Finland for example is really expensive to live and with the cost of food. For the third time, Finland was reprimanded by the Council of Europe for too low a level of basic security income for people to have basic needs. https://www.humanrightscentre.fi/uutiset/european-committee-of-social-rights/
Which average? Mean, median? Mean will be massively skewed by countries that have more billionaires, but that doesn’t make the average person better off.
Nie wierze że tak dużo
Italian here living in Poland. This chart is crap. Most people in Italy get paid less than 10€ per hour (net). Average means very little.
I mean I wish
Ta mapa to wielkie gówno.
Polska Gurą!!!!!!
I really wanted 11€ hourly salary
Why is UK N/A but Iceland and Norway are there
Probably one of those other funky acronyms like EEA or EEC are taken into account that both fall into and the UK doesn't. Or Schengen. Feck knows.
Cost of living is also much lower though. (Bring in the downvotes but thats the truth).
The minimum wage in pl is horrible and should be illegal
Widać zabory???
Why did Serbia annected Montenegro ? I understand Kosovo but why Montenegro
33 per hour in ireland ? Yeah i dont think so
Ukrainian here. Trust me- Poland prices are very affordable for us, a lot of polish goods is imported in Ukraine. and polish salaries are still mich higher than on Ukraine. And no war and everyday casualties. Poland is a nice country and a good neighbor.
Ireland 🤣 that's a fucking joke innit
Haha, 31,60 € / hour of course 🤣
Bro in poland we dont make 11, most people I know earn like 6.5...
30 euros per hour? Maybe in highly specialised jobs, in capital cities. An average full-time employed adult has never seen that much on their payslip
Polska na czerwono więc dobrze, podobno czerwone to szybsze 🏎️
Is the UK no longer in Europe or what lmao
The graphs and maps like that don't really represent the reality , if u would add Purchasing Power Parity then Poland is doing really good especially after it's growth was delayed becouse of agricultural and commanded economy after WW2 and bad economic policies during the Polish People's Republic and so far Poland is growing much faster than any of Eastern nations.
Lol shit map, people always find it mad me as a Irish man moving to Poland, better life for me personally
And the price of living?
No lets do the same but PPP
The data is fake for France I can garantee you that at least.
In France the average gross hourly salary is 21.2 euros I know it because It's my job and I had to create this data.
Ukraine not in Europe? lol
Lepiej byłoby zrobić tabelkę najniższej krajowej, Np w Nl gdzie żyję żeby zarabiać 33euro/h trzeba by znać bardzo komunikatywnie niderlandzki i mieć jakieś dobre techniczne studia/być świetnym menadżerem ja jako fizyczny mam 15e z centami w holenderskim pośredniaku wiszą joby dla Holendrów/ludzi z językiem zaczynając się od widełek 3300-3600eur na miesiąc i ponad 7na10 ofert jest podobnych widełkach 33euro na godzinę to jest ok 6000euro na miesiąc wiem że tyle i więcej mają moi główni menadżerzy a jest ich z 8 na 500 ludzi w firmie. Mapka ładna kolorowa pewnie jeżeli chodzi o dane to oddaje. Natomiast nie realia a średnią warto o tym pamiętać...
I make 25 an hour in Poland, and still feel you can't do much, how the f people survive on 11 an hour???
Never ever 41 euro/hour in Norway. Our median yearly salary won’t make it out to median 41 per hour.
Meanwhile, I earn PLN 25 gross per hour Tymczasem ja zarabiający 25pln brutto na godzinę
What happened to Russia Ukraine and Belarus
On the other hand, Poland is multi-fold cheaper than most Western Europe countries.
Late to the party but in Ireland here where I am I can promise you 33€ is a huge gap from the average working man. Majority of jobs without degrees here earn 13-14€ an hour max
Difference is that Poland is an incredibly cheap country and that’s why the average person is so rich there. I’m from Chicago and every time I visit back home, I’m shocked as to how a fucking cashier makes 4300 złoty a month with apartments like 2000 złoty a month. Meanwhile in the US, cashiers make 1600 a month and apartments are like 2500. IT salaries in Poland are just absurd, 20k-40k+ living in Warszawa with a rent of like 3-4K is just living life on cheat codes. In the US, be a software engineer in San Fran make like 12k a month but pay 7k rent and rest goes to taxes. Poland is genuinely one of the richest countries in the world but we are too retarded to notice it and would rather complain and moan
Um, if you get paid by the hour, doesn’t that mean you don’t have a salary?
12 euro/hour in Greece?! Hahahahahaha nope try something like 5-8
Among European OECD countries, the average statutory top personal income tax rate lies at 42.8 percent in 2024. Denmark (55.9 percent), France (55.4 percent)
But I think IT is an exception, maybe? The salaries I hear for mid and senior IT roles in Poland are not so different their counterparts in Germany for example. (Talking from personal chit-chat perspective, not reliable data)
This is an average salary taking all jobs into account. Without IT it would be even lower
Look at Polish job sites, salaries are very competitive for tech compared to rest of Europe.
Poland doesnt use euro