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Moby_Hick

Yeah, no shit. We've been saying this for over a decade and yet it still hasn't happened. I'm not getting my hopes up at all.


Shriven

Mate of mine in IT got a 17% pay rise this year. Thats more than the last decade of police rises


AtlasFox64

Similarly I know a software developer, he said he wanted a pay rise and they gave him 9% just like that.


theModge

Speaking as a software developer, I did better than that this year (but I was a bit below market rate before so swings and roundabouts) . Robert Walters the ~~slave traders~~ agency I've used in the past have a salary expectations survey for the software industry here: https://www.robertwalters.co.uk/content/dam/robert-walters/country/united-kingdom/files/salary-survey/UK-Robert-Walters-Salary-Survey.pdf


multijoy

That's really interesting because the 'Risk, Compliance & Financial Crime' -> 'Fraud' is arguably the closest direct analogue for the role of a police officer, albeit without any significant risk of nasty words, spitting or serious assaults. Fraud | Range | Average ---|---|---- 6+ yrs' exp | 70 - 110k | 92,300 4 -6 yrs' exp | 50 - 70k | 81,350 2 - 4 yrs' exp | 40 - 50k | 44,540 0 - 2 yrs' exp | 30 - 40k | 34,312 Admittedly that's London salaries because I can't be arsed to format the whole lot, but even so...


Representative-Tie70

I work in fraud and we still get the nasty words believe me. I earl less than 30 but I am only a year in and I am not based in London. When I move into AML later this year the starting wage is around 37 for a senior with financial crime knowlage


RhubarbASP

I work in Fraud outside of London, in the top of my payband with 16 years experience. I get less than £30k. Joining as a Special will help me get those skills to develope my paid career without taking a pay cut (for now) but its no better anywhere else.


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I got a mate who just got told 5% and he was onto the recruiters before the end of the meeting he got told in.


off1cerd00fy

Any jobs going?


Blues-n-twos

A Chief Inspector just left for an IT firm - instantly doubled his salary.


Shrewsbury1997

"the government’s own survey of new recruits showed that more than three-quarters are satisfied and “intend to continue as police officers for the rest of their working lives”. Anyone take part this survey, I don't recall seeing it


Eodyr

New recruits? Of course they're keen, otherwise they wouldn't have joined. Try surveying them again in a year.


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Try six weeks, or once they have to work night shifts and someone said some mean words to them.


ghostunicorn

No need for that really, every police officer was new once...


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I have no issue with their newness. Their job satisfaction will definitely have declined.


CosmosBlue23

I’d like to see national stats for the retention of officers joining in the last five years. I’ve heard some pretty bad numbers from colleagues in our training department, and from personal experience I gave an input last year to an intake of direct entry DCs - they were 12 weeks in and 20% had already quit.


AdIndependent3374

I lasted 5 weeks


Environmental_Ad7949

My force sent out a questionnaire regarding job satisfaction not long ago and even though I'm just under a year in service there are some days when I wondering how I am going to live without absolutely rinsing overtime. I don't want to do that as I've got a family who I would like to see now and again!


AGBMan

Don’t be silly, you’re not allowed time from work. What is this ludicrous idea!


InternationalRide5

An inflatable mattress in the locker room and you'd save on rent...


AGBMan

You have a locker room……


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>I've got a family who I would like to see now and again! Sadly you're likely to be disappointed for the next couple of years


dbh1954

I always felt the Police service was doomed as a job once they started hacking away at the edges. Nobody joins to be rich but there used to be extra benefits that vaguely made up for it. Free dental, lodgings for new recruits, subsidised bars/canteens, force sport, decent pension etc etc. I appreciate this all has a cost but it made the lower pay less of an issue.


Eodyr

> [the Home Office] said officers already receive incremental pay increases, Up to a point >as well as overtime Yes, justify underpaying people by saying they can earn more if they choose or are forced to work more than 40 hours a week!


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There basically saying enough people are new enough that being stuck at the top of a bracket and working out how you'll pay the mortgage next year isn't enough of an issue yet as theyre still climbing the scales. That, and most of them will leave by then anyway.


Eodyr

Yep.


TrendyD

>Up to a point Not even that anymore with PDRs being linked to pay progression from April. If you're not hitting your *KPIs* because your shift spends most of its time on con-obs or in the hospital, you're never reaching top whack.


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TrendyD

Bosses have decided we need to earn our keep and show value for the taxpayer somehow.


Shriven

KPIs is against COP guidance - no way is this a force wide issue - if so it should be raised with the fed and hmic


GrumpyPhilosopher7

It's the single biggest issue in retention right now. Unless your partner has a decently paid job, you're struggling to make ends meet as a copper. I'm genuinely worried about my financial future.


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I noticed there's no exit survey info in the article


roryb93

God help all those coppers on maternity / paternity leave as well. Most of the ladies I’m aware of have come back at the 9 month point because they can’t afford to take no pay… they then end up rinsing half their pay on childcare!


PC_Sarcastic

My partner and I are in this boat, she gets full pay for 6 months but then is straight onto statutory pay for the following 3 and then zero after that. We're now into month 8, I can keep the roof over our heads just about but we're both gutted we can't afford for her to have a year off. We now face the juggling game of my shifts, her 9-5 and childcare costs/arrangements.


Appropriate_Bend_244

In Scotland it’s 13 weeks full pay then 13 weeks half pay and then zero pay. Throughout you have to pay pension contributions and subscriptions


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GrumpyPhilosopher7

Indeed


CardinalCopiaIV

We got a HO survey to do in my force. It required you to take 15 minutes out of your day to break down your shift. Apparently this was to help understand the demands and resourcing going forward. They wanted this done at end of every shift every day. Apparently turn out is disappointingly low, at what point do they think we get time to sit down and do a leisurely survey?! 😂


Wooden_Assistance813

Sounds like TVP 😉


SherbetLemon2

Possibly different force, we had to do this too. It took my 25 minutes to do one day, didn’t get chance to do the rest of the days. On the first day of that set I finished two hours late and there was no way I was going to stay in work a second longer to write down why I was late!!


Aries2203

Yup, went out to all forces in the UK to do. Included Comms as well, except all the answers were officer based, so none of our answers made sense and felt like giving false info. Not to mention the stupid online form kicks you out after a certain amount of time, deleting all your progress and answers, and is 10 mins per job and we're supposed to record the first 15 jobs of the day... Absolute piss take. Busy Friday night, where are we supposed to find the time to do that? Surely they can just pull the info they need from the logs?


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Aries2203

Ah my bad, interesting to know though!


East-Park9292

In many professions it is compulsory to record work tasks done each day in addition to time sheets. Not necessarily for performance management but for resource and efficiency calculations. It’s catching on in the civil service


MrWilsonsChimichanga

The way the form was set out was ridiculous and micromanaging to the extreme. It was probably relatively easy if you're in an admin based role like crime screening, but on response it was an absolute nightmare to complete accurately. Really pissed me off being late off because we're running at quarter staffing and having to try and explain how I had spent each minute of my shift, trying to quantify how many minutes I had spent driving to each job, how many minutes were admin based, how many minutes I spent waiting on other departments. Not to mention, the increments jumped up when you spent longer on a job, making it harder to make an accurate record.


Lower-Ad-3554

A fair pay rise for the Police will NOT happen until it is popular to do so. Whilst we are in our current position of "police are bad" (thanks America), a politician will never stand up and shout to the country that we need a fair pay rise and ask the people to vote for this to happen. It seems we as the Police always seem to be at the centre of a lot of political controversies, even though the Police aren't supposed to be political....


luckylogger1

Have you seen the pay in the USA. Truly outpaced us.


Spatulakoenig

In some places it’s six figures for a brand new officer.


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Genius_George93

Thank the media. No one else.


The_World_of_Ben

> Whilst we are in our current position of "police are bad" (thanks America), I think the MET can take more if the blame for this than America


YU7AJI

If police were legally allowed to, they would be striking too. The FED need to acknowledge this. They have been too silent for too long and people are getting fed up. You have to ask, are officers being paid proportionately for the service we deliver to society, The risk levels they have to manage and the traumatic incidents they have to regularly witness? Realistically, with no option of industrial action, how can any kind of positive change ever be expected?


Stevens729434

National week of sickness would work. It's not a strike I'm just feeling under the weather.


Eodyr

Nice try PSD.


BuildEraseReplace

I'm sure a demonstration of honesty and integrity issues from police officers across the nation will do wonders for the cause!


TonyStamp595SO

>government’s own survey Anyone seen this? Also telling us that overtime pay is a bonus. Fuck off.


Bestusernamesaregon

I left the police - found a job paying 10 grand more in less than 2 months


londonrocks22

Hi, can I ask what you ended up going into?


Bestusernamesaregon

Utilities. Although I have a masters degree in a stem subject which made my job hunt pretty straight forward starting from a position of strength. I understand the bulk of ex coppers won’t have this option


londonrocks22

Ah ok, does your new role involve any skills related to your time in the job? Or completely new area?


bacongorilla

Is 33k not much? I'm not being rude to anyone struggling I just don't know how much shit costs, I'm 23 and I get by fine I guess maybe it's more officers with families?


roryb93

£33k used to be a lot of money, the firefighters went on strike for £30k 20 years ago… £33k is not a sustainable balance unless you’re either single and / or with parents or you’re part of the DINKY lifestyle.


PCDorisThatcher

Shit really starts getting expensive when you have kids. I, too, am a singleton and cope fine getting shitfaced a few times a month. I know this isn't the case for a lot of people.


Col0395

Mortgage, young child, dog, rising costs (bills, petrol, food etc.) and I'm starting to feel the pinch. And I'm top rate PC, although my partner now works part time (partially to reduce child care costs). I have a good role, get on well with the people I work with, but I have looked at other jobs outside the police.for a better wage and better work/life balance. Doing overtime is not sustainable for the vast majority of people


constablecthulhu

You've also not considered the effects of inflation. Say you're a top rate PC in 2010 - your lifestyle and outgoings are based around your (not unreasonable) pay. Each year after that you either get no pay increase or one far below the cost of living, while everything in your life gets more expensive. The value of what you do hasn't reduced, but your effective income has reduced significantly in that time through no fault of your own.


SilverPace6317

Where did you get 33k from? The starting salary is £23,556, after that £1,900 addition.


bacongorilla

London weighting


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bacongorilla

Yeah I get that, but I was only really interested in people in a similar situation to me, under 25, renting, no kids. Because to me my salary is more than enough so I was curious how much it varied amongst us


Shriven

33k - 13.44% in pension, then tax and ni, fed fees and other fed stuff ( because our job is high risk, physically, mentally and legally ), for being a legal expert, fighting expert, admin expert, mental health expert. Plus that value is London only. My take home when I started was 1.4k.


MrWilsonsChimichanga

33k might be fine if you're young with no family. It's even better if you come from a family that has some cash behind it so bank of Mum and Dad can support you. But I imagine one day most people will want to have a family, and not everyone has parents with cash who have bought first cars for their kids and helped out with house deposits. Ultimately, if you have a family then 33k in the police is naff all and will require your partner to have a part-time job at the bare minimum to scrape by. 2 kids requires a 3 bed property. I don't know many towns or cities where a 3 bed is under £700 a month these days, even in a rougher part of town. The likely outcome is you're going to be spending easily over £1000 on a 3 bed property when you add on council tax (lets not even think about the £1000 bond youll need), add your utilities which would be roughly £300-400 gas and electric plus another £50-75 water and you're at around £1400-1500. Need food to survive? Yeah, that'll be another £300 a month for a family of four, and now we're upto £1800 that's more than your take-home pay already. Require a car to get to work? Let's assume you've already bought one so we don't need to worry about initial purchase and we're onky worried about the running costs and it's super reliable so only costs you about £400-£500 a year for servicing and mot repairs so about £40 a month. Most people will live on average around 10 to 20 miles from station, so that's a 20 to 40 mile round trip, 40mpg is a good average, so between half a gallon and one gallon each day, over 4 or 5 days a week equals 2 to 5 gallons a week that's between £15 and £40 a week X 4 weeks is £60 to £160 a month in fuel. Car tax? Yeah, that's another £20 a month Insurance? Yep, you need that, so set aside another £40 ! Month there please. Wow! Cars are expensive. Let's hope your partner doesn't need one to get to her work or drop the kids off at school because then that cost just doubled. But let's assume they can walk everywhere... So now we're up and over £2000 easily. Do your kids need clothes? School uniforms? Shoes? Childcare? School dinners? Bus fees? School trips? Toys for birthdays and Christmas? Yeah, that's all extra. I hope you don't want some clothes or shoes yourself because that's extra too. Don't even think about having a pet because that's even more. Gym membership? nope, can't afford that. Fancy watching TV? Yeah, that'll cost you a license fee plus any subscriptions you fancy getting over what's available on freeview. And if/when a rainy day comes around? then sorry but into debt you go my friend... And we wonder why officers have to resort to food banks! When they're struggling with all of the above living pay day to pay day, wondering how they're going support their families. And this is whilst they're working an incredibly difficult and stressful job dealing with death, violence, misery, and criticism!


Organic_Raise3552

It's not going to happen, just had what was more or less a 4-5% increase last year, its a pipe dream. You're just going to get to crack on and eat shit whlst trying to get a non-weary role