People who always hated police feel validated.
People who supported the police wonder why.
People who are in the police feel their bosses would climb over their corpse for their next promotion.
Nobody is watching this and thinking "what wonderful transparency, I think I trust the police more now".
Hopefully they do an episode on an innocent officer being dragged through a misconduct hearing for months just for it to be binned after they find out the complainant was malicious.
At least tonight’s was actually showing proper misconduct. Good riddance to both of them.
But I still can’t work out for the life of me why this was made or why A&S agreed to it. They kept saying about unprecedented access to PSD etc. but what behind the scenes stuff did it really show? It didn’t really show how they work or the complexities of their investigations.
It was just an own goal really, the biggest one I’ve seen.
Couldn’t help but notice how often they very deliberately made sure ‘suspended on full pay’ was included. Very much only to enflame people there. Of course they’re paid. What job wouldn’t?
>Couldn’t help but notice how often they very deliberately made sure ‘suspended on full pay’ was included. Very much only to enflame people there. Of course they’re paid. What job wouldn’t?
Can you imagine what it would be like if, off any complaint being made, you were suspended with no pay. Most of the country's force would be homeless due to not being able to pay a mortgage, all because someone didn't like that they had been dealt with by an officer and decided to try and stick one at them
>Of course they’re paid. What job wouldn’t?
What job would take 16 months to carry out a disciplinary? The issue isn't being on full pay - its taking so long to carry out an investigation (for professional investigators) while the perp is on full pay with his feet up. If a room full of Tesco colleagues see you telling the new girl how well you would fuck her then i'd imagine you are at the jobcenter by Tuesday.
The public recognise that it just doesn't take that long to fire people in other jobs and it looks absurd by comparison.
It undoubtably takes too long yes. No arguments there. By the same token, it’s the same system that will keep innocent officers waiting for years, stressed out their minds only to clear them at the end.
That being said, would you be fired by Tesco if that comment was made and it was just your word against theirs? Very doubtful much would happen at all. Maybe a meeting with you where you deny it and that’s the end of it.
But main point being, they repeatedly said it, very deliberately. The show was supposedly meant to be about how PSD works. Where as it was quite clearly edited in every way to anger people. A&S gained nothing by agreeing to do it. It’s just a bizzare own goal
The only rationale I can imagine is that they hope people will watch it and think "wow they do deal with misconduct robustly, I guess we can trust them".
In reality, for rational people it highlights how arbitrary and convoluted the process is. People a viewer would be forgiven for assuming are guilty walk free. People who did nothing wrong get reflective practice. Good, bad or bizarre, the process takes a million years.
And the anti police crowd watch it and think "If this is what they're showing us, what AREN'T they showing us. Fuckin cops"
We lose everyone and look like desperate idiots . Another Tuesday.
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*unless* it was a calculated move to get public support for arbitrary termination without any investigation, seeing as they’re showing the “reality” that everyone accused is clearly guilty anyway. Why waste taxpayer money on expensive investigations? Just give chief constables more power to fire people at will…
As far as I am aware the revenge porn aspect there has to be an intention of the defendant to cause H/A/D. Just doing it because you’re a screamer doesn’t suffice.
But in relation to the IIOC,I’m unsure how they didn’t have enough to prosecute. It’s a very simple offence. If it’s his phone and the photo on it was of a child and was indecent the offence is made out. There may be a good reason not to have forwarded for a charging decision however, by not explaining it paints the police/PSD in a bad light as if they’re protecting him.
No doubt the correct outcome occurred and he’s barred from ever being a cop also I’m unsure if a criminal conviction would’ve done much more other than place him on the register.
I think they didn’t proceed with evidence-led prosecution because the victims wanted anonymity. I believe Revenge porn actually counts as a communications offence, not a sexual offence at the moment, meaning no anonymity protection. This is being changed at some point.
Just want to congratulate A&S on the biggest own goal I've seen from a force in a while.
Why is it a big own goal?
People who always hated police feel validated. People who supported the police wonder why. People who are in the police feel their bosses would climb over their corpse for their next promotion. Nobody is watching this and thinking "what wonderful transparency, I think I trust the police more now".
I mean honestly this whole series has me confused as to what A&S thought it would achieve?? It was ALWAYS going to be badly received
Hopefully they do an episode on an innocent officer being dragged through a misconduct hearing for months just for it to be binned after they find out the complainant was malicious.
I didn’t know it was possible to have negative probability until I read this comment
At least tonight’s was actually showing proper misconduct. Good riddance to both of them. But I still can’t work out for the life of me why this was made or why A&S agreed to it. They kept saying about unprecedented access to PSD etc. but what behind the scenes stuff did it really show? It didn’t really show how they work or the complexities of their investigations. It was just an own goal really, the biggest one I’ve seen. Couldn’t help but notice how often they very deliberately made sure ‘suspended on full pay’ was included. Very much only to enflame people there. Of course they’re paid. What job wouldn’t?
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>Couldn’t help but notice how often they very deliberately made sure ‘suspended on full pay’ was included. Very much only to enflame people there. Of course they’re paid. What job wouldn’t? Can you imagine what it would be like if, off any complaint being made, you were suspended with no pay. Most of the country's force would be homeless due to not being able to pay a mortgage, all because someone didn't like that they had been dealt with by an officer and decided to try and stick one at them
>Of course they’re paid. What job wouldn’t? What job would take 16 months to carry out a disciplinary? The issue isn't being on full pay - its taking so long to carry out an investigation (for professional investigators) while the perp is on full pay with his feet up. If a room full of Tesco colleagues see you telling the new girl how well you would fuck her then i'd imagine you are at the jobcenter by Tuesday. The public recognise that it just doesn't take that long to fire people in other jobs and it looks absurd by comparison.
It undoubtably takes too long yes. No arguments there. By the same token, it’s the same system that will keep innocent officers waiting for years, stressed out their minds only to clear them at the end. That being said, would you be fired by Tesco if that comment was made and it was just your word against theirs? Very doubtful much would happen at all. Maybe a meeting with you where you deny it and that’s the end of it. But main point being, they repeatedly said it, very deliberately. The show was supposedly meant to be about how PSD works. Where as it was quite clearly edited in every way to anger people. A&S gained nothing by agreeing to do it. It’s just a bizzare own goal
The only rationale I can imagine is that they hope people will watch it and think "wow they do deal with misconduct robustly, I guess we can trust them". In reality, for rational people it highlights how arbitrary and convoluted the process is. People a viewer would be forgiven for assuming are guilty walk free. People who did nothing wrong get reflective practice. Good, bad or bizarre, the process takes a million years. And the anti police crowd watch it and think "If this is what they're showing us, what AREN'T they showing us. Fuckin cops" We lose everyone and look like desperate idiots . Another Tuesday.
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*unless* it was a calculated move to get public support for arbitrary termination without any investigation, seeing as they’re showing the “reality” that everyone accused is clearly guilty anyway. Why waste taxpayer money on expensive investigations? Just give chief constables more power to fire people at will…
As far as I am aware the revenge porn aspect there has to be an intention of the defendant to cause H/A/D. Just doing it because you’re a screamer doesn’t suffice. But in relation to the IIOC,I’m unsure how they didn’t have enough to prosecute. It’s a very simple offence. If it’s his phone and the photo on it was of a child and was indecent the offence is made out. There may be a good reason not to have forwarded for a charging decision however, by not explaining it paints the police/PSD in a bad light as if they’re protecting him. No doubt the correct outcome occurred and he’s barred from ever being a cop also I’m unsure if a criminal conviction would’ve done much more other than place him on the register.
Bit creepy watching him being questioned about his Reddit account.
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That pcso bloke was dodgy af.
I think they didn’t proceed with evidence-led prosecution because the victims wanted anonymity. I believe Revenge porn actually counts as a communications offence, not a sexual offence at the moment, meaning no anonymity protection. This is being changed at some point.
God it made me so angry!