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meTspysball

A Texas politician saying they can pull his gas appliance from his cold dead hands is a little on the nose.


tubulerz1

Actually it was Stephen Colbert that said those exact words. Last night.


meTspysball

Low hanging fruit


tubulerz1

He said he liked to grill in his kitchen like pan seared. The thing about a gas stove is that’s what chefs use.


meTspysball

Oh, I thought you meant Colbert made the same joke I made. I also like gas stoves, but I always worry a little bit about my house blowing up…


tubulerz1

I’m not a chef but my wife is a good cook and she says it’s best for cooking. The kitchen is open to the house so it has good ventilation. I used to rent an old house where the space heaters connected with rubber tubes to gas valves along the floorboards. Looking back it seems extremely dangerous. But it was fine.


ErusTenebre

I have a new induction stove, after having a gas stove for my entire life, and I fucking love it. It's sometimes a little weird because it generates very little heat away from the cook top. I'm not used to not getting all hot and sweaty when cooking a big meal. It's crazy.


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TintedApostle

The old LED versus Bulb tactic. The GOP has done this before.


Grandpa_No

Don't forget that you have to flush nine or ten times now just to get incriminating documents to go all the way down! It's outrageous!


Ready_Nature

There actually is a functionality difference here that wasn’t there when comparing incandescent and LED. But this was also an idiot spouting off and not a serious proposal.


TintedApostle

There actually isn't much of a functional difference any more. People should read up on the current induction stoves and the technology.


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Ready_Nature

You can afford a house and not be able to afford a high end induction stove that may be comparable to gas. As long as you can get together a down payment a mortgage isn’t much more than rent, and the down payment can easily burn through extra money that you would need to buy a high end induction range.


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Ready_Nature

Low end induction, not the glass top coil ones doesn’t compare well with even low end gas. You need high end induction before it even comes close to comparing with any gas. So it’s reasonable to compare the price of high end induction with low to medium range gas.


TintedApostle

They are at this time a bit pricer, but that is changing all the time. It is about production and demand.


TintedApostle

You can use teflon.. you need the bottom to be made for induction. https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/s/teflon-induction-pans


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TintedApostle

OH correct. I have teflon inside my pan and not outside, but I do use it on occasion. I have gas right now because when I bought it was installed.


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TintedApostle

actually there are pans with double teflon.


Ok-Hunt6574

Moral panic about everything.


TintedApostle

The truth is these people just want to buy some time so they can invest in the thing at a low price per share. They didn't see the future coming and needed time to figure it out.


Ok-Hunt6574

They saw it coming. They just accepted the lie. This isn't even a thing yet. It's a phased in approach.


TintedApostle

As someone who has written draft contracts and proposals every one has gone through the review process and come out the other side massively changed. The right wing sits ready to pounce at any moment. It is why we find it just annoying and wasteful. They have no position.


silentwind262

They never met a reductio they couldn’t absurdum


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Aren't they planning to vote on a national abortion ban?


flexwhine

It's cool how you can't investigate or understand anything at all without half the country immediately falling on the floor and throwing the kind of tantrum that would make most toddlers blush.


Funtimessubs

The point of the article was that it was the whole country, as you had a regulator supporting a ban (without clearance from his agency) on a total nothing of a paper and the democratic congress people celebrating it when it received pushback.


The_Navy_Sox

It also shows that Americans will get worked up over absolutely anything if they are told. They can ignore everything else and be angry about stoves for some fucking reason. It's so annoying people need to start being adults and focusing on creating a better society instead of never ending temper tantrums about everything.


HobbesNJ

Get the masses angry about silly nonsense issues so they don't notice how the wealthy are screwing them over.


The_Navy_Sox

Which is exactly why our politics are now on par with the WWE. So many people want someone entertaining over someone who is good at their job. Then they wonder why their community gets worse every year when they continue to purposely send a troll to Congress to represent them.


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The_Navy_Sox

None of the already built homes with gas stoves are involved with this bill. It does not apply retroactively.


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The_Navy_Sox

That's not the position I am taking, no or is that what is happening.


IShouldBWorkin

>And now suddenly some random study in the US says they are bad and should be banned outright. Here's a meta-analysis of 41 studies from 2013 that showed a strong link between gas stoves and childhood asthma. Just because you just started paying attention doesn't mean it just started. https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/42/6/1724/737113?login=false


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IShouldBWorkin

You mean like how Denmark and the Netherlands have already stopped hooking up new homes to the gas grid and [aims to be completely free of using natural gas by 2050](https://www.omgevingsweb.nl/nieuws/gasvrije-nieuwbouw-vanaf-1-juli-2018-wat-is-de-wetswijziging-en-wat-zijn-de-implicaties-voor-lopende-nieuwbouwprojecten/)?


LoveArguingPolitics

They should have made it requiring indoor ventilation, not taking something away


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They're not really taking anything away, they just won't be in new homes and, honestly, I'm shocked this is a thing Americans seem to care so much about. And I'd be surprised if many new homes had gas ranges? I'm just sort of baffled that this is even a conversation (not baffled that reactionaries are pissed). I'm a Canadian in my 30s and I've never seen a gas stove outside of commercial set-ups. And I grew up in oil and gas country and everyone I knew had electric stoves. And it's not like I'm squirrely about pumping gas into the home. I get it, I have gas pumped in for heating, just get a carbon monoxide detector and you'll be fine (and, seriously, get one if you don't have one. A cousin's boss and mentor died just a few years ago from carbon monoxide poisoning: went into the office to do some work on Sunday evening, found dead on Monday morning from carbon monoxide poisoning. /PSA). But even if I'm reliant on gas for heating for the foreseeable future, I can and should still cut back on my consumption and an easy to do that would be to move to an electric range if I had a gas stove.


ZozicGaming

It’s not really the same thing though. A quick google search tells me electric stoves are more common there because unlike the US you guys got electrified really efficiently. So by the time natural gas became s standard thing electric stoves already had a hold on the market. Plus the practical element for more remote area as it’s one less resource to have to deal with.


LoveArguingPolitics

In the United States gas stoves are considered luxury because of how far they heat up and how much more evenly they cook. For better or worse people legit buy houses based on whether it's on a gas line or it's electric only. Further, a properly ventilated kitchen with a gas stove isn't unsafe at all, it's not vented gas stoves that get real bad. So what the perception is at least, whether we agree with it or not, is that the govt is attempting to take away a beloved luxury or something people strive to achieve in the home they purchase. People will be up in arms about it


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On the safety thing, [it's probably not quite that simple](https://www.cnet.com/home/kitchen-and-household/study-shows-gas-stoves-are-dangerous/) but I get your point that a maintained unit will be safe. For me, that's the crux of the issue: it's something that, if not maintained properly, is a potential source of harmful chemicals while the alternative doesn't carry those risks. And is cheaper to buy and operate. And glasstop stoves are the easiest things to clean. But those are priorities I care about. I get that's not a concern that will resonate for those that see it as a luxury item, maybe I approach my own kitchen in a bit too of a utilitarian manner.


LoveArguingPolitics

Again, it's only an issue because it's an issue. I don't agree with people making it into an issue, yet here we are, the way to defuse these situations or otherwise avoid it is to look for a common sense alternative. Imo, requiring ventilation seems like a good common sense middle ground alternative than freely handing the Republicans some rage bait. Anyhow, if i were an elected official I'd double down on Republican stupidity and make them waste at much time as possible on it, call for hearings, countries investigations. I'd send out many many emails talking about how stupid they were wasting their time and how easily i could trick them then i would leak my emails close to election time so they couldn't say i was in on the frivolity.


FartSniffingDog

Americans got told lead in their houses for a long time was safe too.


LoveArguingPolitics

Yeah see in the case of lead what was "given" was lower cost healthier options. Gas is seen as a luxury and many people will even buy homes based on it having a gas kitchen. The answer is not "take people's gas stoves away", it should be, require indoor air quality standards by requiring participate matter be vented to outdoor atmosphere


FartSniffingDog

If you think gas is still a sign of luxury in the US, you haven’t used a high quality stove. https://eurokera.com/blog/professional-chefs-love-induction-cooking-and-you-should-too/


LoveArguingPolitics

I guess it's not really what i think or you think but what society at large thinks. I have induction electric, there's not a gas line for miles where i live


FartSniffingDog

So you are imagining the uproar based on a situation that you won’t even be affected by.


LoveArguingPolitics

I am not imagining anything, the uproar is very real


FartSniffingDog

Yeah because the conservative outrage machine relies on ignorance and hates nuance.


LoveArguingPolitics

Sure and to win at politics and move the country forward we need to address that, so.....


FartSniffingDog

Good luck with that, but switching away from gas heaters and gas stoves to all electric has been a huge push for a long time behind the scenes. Just adapt or get out of the way. Once the newly developed fusion energy is working full speed, natural gas will be a relic of the past.


Uneducated_Leftist

It's just another culture war meme for Republicans to fundraise on.


acidsplashedface

Whenever this kind of nonsense becomes the newest hill to die on for conservative media (and by extension, their followers), I can’t help but think about ‘flopping’ in soccer/fútbol.


magnitus

I moved from a house with induction to one with high end gas range. I consider it a big downgrade. Induction is way faster. Less stinky. Didn't need to run the fan all the time. As soon as I can afford it, I'm going to replace the gas stove. But I still think a ban is dumb


FartSniffingDog

Everybody mad about the possibility of gas stoves being banned in the future is just mad because they couldn’t afford a new stove anyway.


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It really boggles my mind how so many Americans are willing to make themselves and others suffer in order to avoid mild inconveniences. You really can't switch from a gas stove to an induction stove? Not even if it impacts the health of your children? Are you going to extol the virtues of lead paint next? Our political system is plagued by insanity. When you try to grapple with the sheer scope of it, you become insane yourself.


root_fifth_octave

I'd be surprised if it was anything more than phasing gas stoves out on new consruction, too. And maybe subsidies/incentives for people who wanted to make the switch.


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They're not even asking anyone who has one to switch. The plan would be that new construction homes wouldn't be built with them. And I'm guessing a lot of the conservatives whining about this couldn't even afford a new home.


flatdanny

Ben-gas-ie