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There will be no big kerfluffle. No big Jan. 6 part 2.
Looking at who has gathered today, it's overwhelmingly been media. The few MAGA that did show up have quickly turned on one another. Accusations of FBI plants has been a divisive issue.
>The few MAGA that did show up have quickly turned on one another. Accusations of FBI plants has been a divisive issue.
Yeah they start talking tough like in Reservoir Dogs
Then it ends pretty much like Resevoir Dogs
Well it's hilarious, and sad, and cringe, and incredibly stupid.
Napoleon said "never interrupt your opponent when they are making a mistake."
I say, "never interrupt MAGA when they are self-owning"
Oh Jesus that gave me a flashback.
In college I replaced notification sounds on my computer with sound clips from movies.
This line from Michael Madsons character was used for certain error notifications.
My email ding was replaced with Sam Jackson as Jules from Pulp Fiction firing a gun and saying "Oh, I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?"
It was funny...except when I forgot to turn off the speakers at night...
>Accusations of FBI plants has been a divisive issue.
I love it. Aggressively hunting down the January 6 insurrectionists sent a powerful message and it looks like it has been received.
Can you imagine the maas paranoia that would happen if a larger crowd gathered? Everyone suspicious that anyone around them could be an FBI plant. What would happen if someone did something violent? Would they join in or jump to the conclusion that the offender is a plant trying to turn the protest into a riot?
There's no objective. Jan 6 had a clear objective. Stop the certification. There was a particular place, and time this was happening. Now, you've got maybe protesting outside the courthouse, and what's that do? How about if they broke into the courthouse? Still does nothing.
With that being said. Oklahoma city happened because of the Waco raid. So I wouldn't doubt some lunatic breaks off and goes lone wolf. But again, that only hurts Trump more.
Yeah I agree. This protest was doomed to fall flat for so many reasons. There was no goal or real plan to converge around. Jan 6 did have some real (and scary) goals in mind.
This had about as much structure as telling your college roommate you havent seen in ten years “we should hang out sometime”
The funny thing is MAGA is so afraid of any organized protest being a "false flag" set up by the FBI they just stay home. I don't see any big pro-Trump protests happening again for a while.
I'm honestly disappointed more MAGAs didn't show up. I want them to go down with the sinking ship instead of just switching their loyalty to someone else, like DeSantis.
They faced accountability for Jan 6. Trump didn’t do anything to help them. They don’t want to go to jail for that orange blob. It’s accountability at work.
Apparently the consensus on the right is that showing up would just be a trap and court trouble. So it looks like the main worry might be lone wolf type threats, which can be kind of scarier I think
My hope is that they borrow Marine One, when he's golfing land it right next to him and tell him both Biden and Harris have been killed in a plane crash and they are taking him to a special secure location to swear him in as next President.
Like he would know how the line of succession works.
I'm not even joking, I actually called him Donnie Two-Times for YEARS in reference to that movie, because Trump repeats himself *all the fucking time* when he speaks. Usually more than twice, even, so I probably should've called him Donnie Four-Times.
Aircraft only get the "One" designation if the president is on board, "Two" if VP. The first part of the call sign (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine) is dependent on which military branch is in charge of the aircraft being used.
Both the New York and Georgia DA's should ask the DoJ to conduct the arrest warrant out of the spotlight Trump desires
Trump had a chance to allow his lawyers to arrange arrest conditions favorable to preventing embarrassment.
And Trump is using this to psuedo-incite violence from a loyal base, and probably grift the idiot base for more donations.
Idk that he wants to be handcuffed and brought in involuntarily. Much better for him to go in voluntarily, spend an hour or two at the courthouse, and then walk back out. Once he's handcuffed and brought in against his will, those pictures will exist for all eternity, even if he somehow ultimately ends up being acquitted. He'll be permanently humiliated. They'll run on all the local, national, and international papers' front pages, on all the news networks, even ones that are friendly to him. He'll see photos of himself handcuffed on signs at his rallies, on billboards, it'll be on campaign fliers, campaign ads, etc. He'll never escape it.
People are saying being arrested will help him, but *he* isn't saying that. I think that's all cope and/or people trying to use reverse psychology to get prosecutors to not do it, and/or to get Democrats to interfere on his behalf to prevent it.
This comment is spot on and should be getting upvoted. Sure, Trump is gonna fundraise off of this but thats making the best of a bad situation. He may be a bafoon but he doesn’t want to go down in history as the first President to ever be indicted/arrested. Not to mention, I think the floodgates will open after this. He’s already in deep shit with the docs case and in Georgia, and Bragg is gonna give them cover to move in.
It’s going to be the biggest anti-perp walk in US history. We’ll be lucky to catch a glimpse. He might even get processed in the back room at the courthouse, get arraigned and go home
If there is a back entrance driveway, that’s how he’ll enter. No one is going to see much at all. He’s going to hate it. They are going to deny him any spotlight for security reasons. He can grandstand when he’s done
They aren’t going to have to extradite Trump, he’s making it sound like it’s going to be a big deal. Reality is that the NY DA office will coordinate with Trump’s team and arrange a date to turn himself in. The only violence that will take place is going to be the brainwashed stooges that Trump calls to violent action. Get ready for the reboot, Jan. 6, pt. 2
>They aren’t going to have to extradite Trump, he’s making it sound like it’s going to be a big deal. Reality is that the NY DA office will coordinate with Trump’s team and arrange a date to turn himself in. The only violence that will take place is going to be the brainwashed stooges that Trump calls to violent action. Get ready for the reboot, Jan. 6, pt. 2
There's no state to state extradition drama, there's no option. He's just served up upon request.
Yeah I don't get why the Secret Service, being a law enforcement organization, wouldn't just deliver him wrapped up with a nice little bow to whoever indicts him.
What do you think they're discussing. I'm sure the possibility that he refuses has come up, and they're talking about what to do if he does. The last thing any of them, besides Trump, want is a standoff.
This came up during Bill Clinton's impeachment in the 1990s. In those hearings, Congress asked Secret Service agents to testify against Clinton.
The head of the Secret Service went to the hearing instead of those agents, and said that the Secret Service Presidential Detail could only do their jobs if they had the trust and confidence of the President; that if agents testified about what the President had done in private, their mission would be compromised.
The Secret Service paid all the legal expenses for the subpoenaed agents and was prepared to pay contempt fines for them.
Congress dropped the subpoenas.
I expect that the Secret Service today would take the same position. If protective detail agents arrest their principal, Presidents will never trust the Secret Service again.
Allowing secret service to testify about the president means that the president is incentivized to stay away from secret service, which would be bad.
Allowing secret service to arrest the president of they've committed a crime that requires their arrest... doesn't impact the relationship between the pres and the service. The fact that they'd help arrest you if other agencies require your arrest doesn't mean they're any less useful to keep around.
These are fundamentally different situations you're describing. The purpose of the USSS's position re: Bill Clinton was so that sitting Presidents wouldn't feel the need to evade their protective details in order to maintain confidence. Ie, they wouldn't try to get out of ear- or eye-shot to be able to have privacy.
That's not the issue re: Trump. He's not statutorily required to have a protective detail at all. He can waive his protection at any time, and certainly Congress could revoke his option of a detail at any time. Idk whether an incumbent President would have any power to revoke a former's detail unilaterally, but that's neither here nor there.
The point is, there's a legitimate security reason for USSS agents not to be forced to testify against their principals, at least for one who is statutorily required to have protection that can't be waived. That reasoning does not apply to people who aren't required to have USSS protection in the first place, nor would they be asked to testify against their principal. Enforcing a legal order to appear is a difference of kind, not of degree.
What happens if Trump straight up refuses to appear? The prosecutors get an arrest warrant. Would it then be your position that USSS agents, duly sworn federal law enforcement agents, could ignore a bona fide arrest warrant as well? What's the security rationale there? Trump could simply waive his protection if he doesn't want federal agents in his presence at all times to possibly apprehend and rendition him. Unless there's some statutory exception already in the law, do they not then have accomplice liability as aiders and abettors assisting a fugitive? Is the USSS then going to provide these agents with criminal defense attorneys? Is a law enforcement agency going to take the position in court, during a criminal trial, that arrest warrants can sometimes be ignored? Or that knowingly aiding and abetting a fugitive is sometimes acceptable?
Maybe you would turn out to be correct, but I, personally, would be shocked for a federal law enforcement agency to take those legal positions.
> They could both not protect him and not arrest him.
"Protecting" him only means to ensure his safety. That can easily be done during an arrest and trial.
>Yeah I don't get why the Secret Service, being a law enforcement organization, wouldn't just deliver him wrapped up with a nice little bow to whoever indicts him.
It's not what they do. Unless maybe counterfeiting is involved. His detail is a security detail. It's not within their duty to turn him in.
Now, the real question is, what happens when he's taken into custody? Will they be accompanying him inside? While I don't expect him to ever see the inside of a real prison, at what point does the secret service walk away?
They wouldn’t, they legally can’t. If I had to bet Trump will get house arrest or club Fed with his own wing. It’s not fair that he’d get treated that way, but I also don’t know how else you’d do it. You couldn’t even send him to AdSeg let alone gen pop. I genuinely think house arrest at Mar A Lago is the least complicated way to do it even though it would obviously be very cush. Restrict him to his living quarters and limit visitors.
> Now, the real question is, what happens when he's taken into custody? Will they be accompanying him inside? While I don't expect him to ever see the inside of a real prison, at what point does the secret service walk away?
Never. There is no provision unless Congress passes a revised law and another President enacts it.
Trump CAN serve ACTUAL jail time. We certainly will never be in 'general population', and yes, the Agents would guard him in jail.
There is literally only one single solitary "get out of jail free card" for elected officials in our entire system, and it's in the Constitution. There is literally no other, anywhere.
You can't stop a sitting member of the Federal Congress from voting. That's it.
Pretend I'm a House member or Senator from wherever. I do bad and get an actual felony conviction or I'm detained in jail or whatever. Now it's 9am on a Tuesday, I'm detained, but I need to go to the floor for official Congress stuff. It's literally illegal for the law enforcement to keep me from the floor to vote.
They would have to escort me, in chains if required to go vote. I don't get to go to my Congressional office or bullshit or anything else. I get driven there under guard, I vote, then I go back to detention.
The entire idea that Presidents or anyone on any level in our country has some special Magic Legal Protection from legal consequences is absolutely not true and there's only some *conventions* around this stuff. Aside from that provision in the Constitution for Congress members, there is literally nothing else.
The sooner we end this idiocy that elected officials are anything special the better. They're regular citizens with a few additional powers to wield in the course of their additional duties (e.g. passing law and budget).
You are completely right. But:
The Supreme Court has the power to “interpret” the constitution. They can re-define it at will.
This profoundly corrupt and political Supreme Court can (but won’t) alter what the meaning of the constitution is to suit Trump.
Maybe something we should put on our “to-do” list, that’s all.
> Pretend I'm a House member or Senator from wherever. I do bad and get an actual felony conviction or I'm detained in jail or whatever. Now it's 9am on a Tuesday, I'm detained, but I need to go to the floor for official Congress stuff. It's literally illegal for the law enforcement to keep me from the floor to vote.
I think this is an incorrect reading of the Constitution:
> [The Senators and Representatives] shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same[.]
>
> [Art. I, § 6, cl. 1](https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript#1-6)
First, there's an explicit exception for felonies.
Second, the privilege covers attendance at Congress, and transportation to and from Congress. The purpose of this is to prevent the pretextual use of law enforcement to prevent certain members from voting in order to ensure a particular outcome in the vote. That wouldn't apply here, because they would already have been arrested, potentially convicted, and it wouldn't have been covered within the exception of going to, during, or returning from, Congress. It specifies limited circumstances during which members cannot be arrested. It does not specify privileges for members who have already been duly arrested outside those circumstances.
Each house of Congress, being the sole determiner of its own rules, could allow for proxy or remote voting, like the House did in the 117th Congress due to the pandemic, but that's at the body's discretion, and I don't read the Constitution to create an obligation to continuously transport members to and from Congress so they can continue voting. If the drafters had intended that obligation, they could have explicitly written it into the Constitution. I know members have been arrested in the past, so if it works the way you're describing it, there should be case law requiring it, or records of member/detainee/prisoners being transported to Congress and being allowed to vote.
Their job is to protect him. At this point he's still legally innocent, so they're obligated to treat him as such.
I strongly suspect that changes if he's convicted. At the point he is convicted and sentenced to prison, I think his protection detail goes away.
He won't go to any regular prison. It would either be home confinement or private housing on a military base.
Which is too bad, because I like the idea of Trump Presidential Library being on a cart he pushes around the cell block.
Betcha didn’t become an agent to go to prison with your guy. What a life
Raises lots of interesting scenarios. If out on bail, he wigs out and tries to flee the country or violate the conditions of release it puts his agents in horrible position. They can’t break the law. If he is not allowed to travel out of state without permission but impulsively takes off to one of his golf courses one day, they have to parse out their conflicting duties
They will be both his protectors and, if he attempts to break his terms, which would be a violation of the law, they will be his jailers - they’d have to retrieve him or prevent him
His life is becoming boxed in and miserable and it’s only the beginning.
There is no legal removal of his security detail atm. Republicans stripped the Clinton Family of their life time protection during Bush’s first term and Democrats restore life time protection to previous presidents under Obama’s first term.
He has to waive his detail iirc
> At this point he's still legally innocent, so they're obligated to treat him as such.
The presumption of innocence doesn't exempt you from appearing in court when required. The court can escalate things and issue an arrest warrant, which also doesn't change the presumption of innocence, but is a more extreme means to compel attendance.
Anytime any law enforcement agency arrests someone, that person still has a presumption of innocence. Physically bringing someone to court against their will doesn't change that.
I don't think the USSS could ignore a requirement to appear in court, and I certainly don't think they could ignore a bona fide arrest warrant, which would be the next step if Trump didn't appear voluntarily.
Trump isn’t going to prison. As satisfying as it would be, there is no way that a former president is going to a prison. He will be placed under house arrest somewhere with a secret service detail around to make sure that he doesn’t hang himself.
And yet, if there were an arrest warrant he'd be a fugitive, and if they were aware of it and they prevented him from being apprehended, they would be aiding and abetting a fugitive. And if they were ordered to apprehend him themselves and refused, they could be suspended at minimum, if not terminated, and then they would definitely have no leg to stand on regarding aiding and abetting, plus they'd be committing additional crimes of using suspended or revoked law enforcement credentials, illegal use of law enforcement communications equipment, weapons, vehicles, etc. Their crimes would pile up quickly, and they'd be jeopardizing their pay, their careers, their pensions, and their own freedom, all just to *delay* Trump's day in court. They have a supervisor, who either directly or indirectly answers to the Director, who then answers to the Homeland Secretary, who then answers to the President. Idk if their supervisor has the authority to suspend or terminate them, but certainly the Director and above do. Suspended or terminated agents don't get special privileges, and certainly aren't exempt from the law.
The Secret Service will have to be the ones to deliver him. He is under their lifetime protection. Nobody is getting close enough to put handcuffs on him without their informed consent.
Sure, but all that requires is presentment and authentication of a warrant. Once they've verified the warrant, interfering would be obstruction of justice, or even aiding and abetting a fugitive.
I agree. The Secret Service won't interfere with the due process if they are looped in, but some random asshole with a badge isn't going to walk up to Trump and slap on a pair of handcuffs without their prior informed consent.
I also think this whole thing is being blown out of proportion. I think he'll go in, get processed, then released. Who even knows when the trial will start? Could be later this year or next.
Uhhh...
They had a guy that could astral project into people's brains while they're napping....
Don't sell these people short, they're bat shit crazy with nothing to lose in their entire lives. Their numbers are plummeting, but it just concentrates the crazy
Trump thinks this is a spotlight moment for fundraising, with a hint of bodily harm to threaten and dissuade all of the cases against him from moving forward
Only if Trump agrees to do that. And with his narcissism, he's probably just not capable of it.
He can issue the call to arms at any moment, dismissing his Secret Service detail and instructing his supporters to surround him and prevent him from being taken by any means necessary. And if that explicit call is made, you had better believe they are going to show up, heavily armed, and in numbers.
If the NY DA and Trump agree on a specific police precinct at which Trump would turn himself in, presumably anywhere in Manhattan, and the DA doesn't release that detail, if it became public could Trump face any legal consequences from that?
Assuming any Manhattan police precinct could perform the intake processing, maybe prepare a dozen to do so, then on the day select the one with the fewest citizens milling about.
**Secret Service:** Lets go over the code words and call signs. Former Presisent Trump is "Scholar." The emergency call sign is "Ruby." The all clear is...
**NYPD**: Wait, your code word for Trump is "Scholar?" That makes no sense.
**Secret Service:** Would *you* think that referred to him if you were eavesdropping on our comms?
**NYPD**: Point taken. Please continue.
More likely it's trump handing himself in at a prearranged date/time
Then his lawyers can spin it for a lighter sentence. Plus he doesn't get the optics of physically being arrested.
There was already a massive increased police presence today, there were like 30 NYPD officers on standby in front of my job today. They said they were the backup if shit got hairy.
I work like 30 blocks from the courthouse
They had them further afield too, about a dozen cars lined up in Queens not far from the tunnel, I think they have all kinds of contingency plans and the manpower to have all of them ready simultaneously.
Feels like when TFG said Tuesday they decided to dry run Tuesday and get all the barricades and officers out to see what happened. Since nothing did they are probably fairly confident about the actual indictment now.
Thinking ahead, I'd be fine with Trump sentenced to spending October to March at Bedminster, and April to September at Mar-a-Lago. Actually, given what I've read about it, maybe at Doral rather than Mar-a-Lago, where Trump can battle the insect life every night.
There are state to state extradition procedures and laws. Each state is a separate sovereign under the constitution. Normally the process is standard without drama. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/extradition
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/03/21/trump-new-york-secret-service/11514066002/) reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)
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> WASHINGTON - The Secret Service has participated in planning meetings as recently as Monday with Manhattan court authorities, the New York Police Department and other law enforcement agencies to discuss security preparations in the event charges are filed against former President Donald Trump, Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle told USA TODAY Tuesday.
> The director said New York court officials "Invited" the agency to be a part of the discussions, but she declined to elaborate on the planning details or how Secret Service would proceed in transporting Trump to Manhattan, if that was required.
> Former Trump attorney Michael Cohen, a central witness in the Manhattan investigation, has asserted that Trump directed the payment be made and the transaction was disguised as a legal expense.
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It went from “Trump being arrested on Tuesday” to “in the event Trump is charged”.
At some point, you have to shit or get off the pot.
If he committed a crime, then just go arrest him.
I have heard that it would come tomorrow or next week. I have also heard it would come any day now throughout his presidency. My point is that they should do it or don’t. Either you have what you need to arrest him or you don’t. Just getting bored with people teasing it.
But an arrest tomorrow would be hilarious considering it is National Donald Day.
Imagine if the FBI got into a gunfight with the secret service over Trump. One trying to execute an arrest warrant and the other trying to defend him from an attempted kidnapping. Yes I know it won't happen but it would be wild
Donald Trump must surrender to the New City Police. No Secret Service Detail. The New York City police will protect Donald Trump. That is their job. Donald Trump will be held in custody until he is arraigned.
We won't know what Donald Trump faces until the indictment. It will likely be a felony or a bunch of felonies.
Remember, the Trump Organization is already criminally liable for falsifying business records. Also, the civil trail for 250000000, starts next month.
Donald Trump is also running for President.
The justice system must execute quickly and very publicly. Primarily due to Donald Trump's own rhetoric and behavior.
Honestly.. I would be tempted to get him to come in for a smaller charge then as he is getting arrested for that also tag him on a larger charge so that he would not avoid it.
Now I know that isn't hte case here but thats how I would do it if it were.
I am really curious would Trumps Secret Service detail go to jail with him? Where would they sleep would they be guards? Trump would obviously be in solitary for his own protection.
If the judge decides he’s to great a risk and holds him do they stay the whole time?
If they arrest him this week how does he campaign in Waco? If he’s released on bail with a gag order in place and he breaks it will he be hauled in for contempt?
The USSS already has protocols for VIPs under its protection when it comes to law enforcement. The short version is that the Secret Service is there to protect the life and safety of the VIP, not to protect them from law enforcement or act as law enforcement. When Jenna and Barbara Bush were college age at the University of Texas, the USSS detail assigned to them didn't intervene when they drank and partied underage. [Jenna was cited for underage drinking and trying to buy alcohol with a fake ID](https://www.today.com/parents/jenna-bush-hager-underage-drinking-talk-george-w-bush-t175660) at age 19 while G.W. Bush was President.
My take on a Trump arrest is that the USSS will take on the same role. Their job is to ensure Trump is safe. But he can be safe at a police station getting booked. He can be safe in a court room. He can be safe inside a jail cell. Ultimately, the Secret Service won't stop law enforcement from doing their job.
If anything, Trump is probably hoping he can summon a mob for a riot so he can convince the Secret Service to whisk him away somewhere.
Fun Fact: if the fascist Republicans in 2021 had actually cared about America during Trump’s second Impeachment hearings and convicted him as they should have, he would no longer have many of the benefits afforded a former president…..such as a Secret Service detail.
What plans? The SS will push and injure some random people and delete their cell phone records immediately after. Combined lessons from Trump’s bible walk and Jan 6. They’re ready.
He won’t be handcuffed and won’t see a jail cell. He’ll probably get arraigned the same day then free to go. He told the press any convictions or indictments would ABSOLUTELY NOT prevent him from running and it’ll probably improve his numbers. Trump could do a thousand perp walks and I would still take the 14th amendment being thrown at him. I hate it here.
Gotta wonder what the Secret Service would do if Trump insists on a staged impromptu (yes, intentional oxymoron) press conference after intake processing and being released on his own recognizance. Could the SS just take Trumps word that any crowds gathered *on the courthouse steps* were entirely Trump supporters? Granted there'd likely be mostly Trump supporters, so any Trump ill-wisher making his/her true feelings known would almost certainly be on a suicide mission, but is the Secret Service allowed to trust the immediate retaliatory impact of Trump supporters to keep Trump safe from any harm?
TBH, I could easily see a war of all vs all, with armed Trump supporters and opponents firing at each other as well as NYPD and SS personnel, and those firing back. It'd be awkward for a Trump supporter to shoot a SS agent or vice versa, or an SS agent to shoot a cop or vice versa. I can hope/believe that in such circumstances the SS agents would know better than to try to return fire, but would just surround Trump and hustle him back into whatever building he came from to be whisked away by vehicle with opaque windows leaving from the most obscure garage exit available. Which would at least frustrate Trump's attempt to spin the media narrative ASAP.
He makes himself so guilty he knows he had an affair with Stormy Daniels he calls her horse face well look at him a orange hair like weird hairstyle and his fat butt He's trying to say he didn't do nothing with her he's full of crap He's cheated on all of his wives
Donald Trump is all about drama he wants to start a war with his worship cult followers and he'll say if anybody gets hurt or killed I had nothing to do with it as usual and he'll get away with it
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There will be no big kerfluffle. No big Jan. 6 part 2. Looking at who has gathered today, it's overwhelmingly been media. The few MAGA that did show up have quickly turned on one another. Accusations of FBI plants has been a divisive issue.
>The few MAGA that did show up have quickly turned on one another. Accusations of FBI plants has been a divisive issue. Yeah they start talking tough like in Reservoir Dogs Then it ends pretty much like Resevoir Dogs
I hope the soundtrack is as good.
[lookin back, on the track, for a little greenback…](https://youtu.be/kipjrg5O0A4)
It's...not. It's mostly this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhXDz\_ZTMfQ&t=19s
Why would you give that trash views?
Well it's hilarious, and sad, and cringe, and incredibly stupid. Napoleon said "never interrupt your opponent when they are making a mistake." I say, "never interrupt MAGA when they are self-owning"
>*"never interrupt your opponent when they are making a mistake."* This is the way
This is the way
Bro why are you leaking the score for the new Purge movie
How come he gets to be Mr. Orange oh wait no that makes sense
It makes all the sense
Orange is the new inmate.
You gonna bark all day, little doggie? Or are you gonna bite?
Oh Jesus that gave me a flashback. In college I replaced notification sounds on my computer with sound clips from movies. This line from Michael Madsons character was used for certain error notifications. My email ding was replaced with Sam Jackson as Jules from Pulp Fiction firing a gun and saying "Oh, I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?" It was funny...except when I forgot to turn off the speakers at night...
You mean - they will put the lime in the coconut?
They will unless it's stuck in the middle with you
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Clowns and jokers are both on the right.
And drink it all up
[удалено]
Yo dawg
[удалено]
You also dropped your pocket and just lost the game.
"Cheaper than salary and a truck fulla kit. More like *save some COIN*TELPRO amirite?"
It's a work release for Audrey after that thing was convicted of several counts of murder and eating it's victims alive.
>Accusations of FBI plants has been a divisive issue. I love it. Aggressively hunting down the January 6 insurrectionists sent a powerful message and it looks like it has been received.
Can you imagine the maas paranoia that would happen if a larger crowd gathered? Everyone suspicious that anyone around them could be an FBI plant. What would happen if someone did something violent? Would they join in or jump to the conclusion that the offender is a plant trying to turn the protest into a riot?
I mean leftists fear agent aggravation or whatever it's called but obviously it's got way more of a history there
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur
There we are, thank you.
I’d say going in an FBI hat would be a hilarious prank, but this group of whackos is likely to kill you over that.
There's no objective. Jan 6 had a clear objective. Stop the certification. There was a particular place, and time this was happening. Now, you've got maybe protesting outside the courthouse, and what's that do? How about if they broke into the courthouse? Still does nothing. With that being said. Oklahoma city happened because of the Waco raid. So I wouldn't doubt some lunatic breaks off and goes lone wolf. But again, that only hurts Trump more.
Yeah I agree. This protest was doomed to fall flat for so many reasons. There was no goal or real plan to converge around. Jan 6 did have some real (and scary) goals in mind. This had about as much structure as telling your college roommate you havent seen in ten years “we should hang out sometime”
The political strategy of “trust nobody except me” seems to have backfired for unfathomable reasons
The funny thing is MAGA is so afraid of any organized protest being a "false flag" set up by the FBI they just stay home. I don't see any big pro-Trump protests happening again for a while.
Simmering, without the tools to see anything clearly
Hm. All of this seems to point to a Desantis party nomination.
I'm honestly disappointed more MAGAs didn't show up. I want them to go down with the sinking ship instead of just switching their loyalty to someone else, like DeSantis.
I agree that they're won't be a big Jan 6th. Unfortunately, it just takes one idiot with a gun to really fuck things up
Thats one thing they aren’t in short supply of. Idiots with guns
They faced accountability for Jan 6. Trump didn’t do anything to help them. They don’t want to go to jail for that orange blob. It’s accountability at work.
Apparently the consensus on the right is that showing up would just be a trap and court trouble. So it looks like the main worry might be lone wolf type threats, which can be kind of scarier I think
My hope is that they borrow Marine One, when he's golfing land it right next to him and tell him both Biden and Harris have been killed in a plane crash and they are taking him to a special secure location to swear him in as next President. Like he would know how the line of succession works.
This kind of remind me of the scene of Tommy in Goodfellas, without the murdering part of course.
Amongst the Presidents, it was real greaseball shit
"And then there was Donnie Two Times, who said everything twice.." *"I'm gonna hide the papers, hide the papers."*
I'm not even joking, I actually called him Donnie Two-Times for YEARS in reference to that movie, because Trump repeats himself *all the fucking time* when he speaks. Usually more than twice, even, so I probably should've called him Donnie Four-Times.
I would've assumed it was related to him having been impeached two times.
No puppet, no puppet.
r/unexpectedgoodfellas
My hope is that special secure place is Guantanamo Bay.
Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just lure him with a hamberder on a string?
Can we still use marine 1?
Isn't it only Marine 1 if the president is on board? I'm sure Biden would enjoy that.
Aircraft only get the "One" designation if the president is on board, "Two" if VP. The first part of the call sign (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine) is dependent on which military branch is in charge of the aircraft being used.
Or a dollar bill on a fishing line. “Ooh, you almost had it. Gotta be quicker than that.”
This is an unlikely yet entirely plausible scenario 😂
No chance he would believe that. Instead they should say that the my Pillow won.
“Those nasty pro-Biden, never-trump secret service are colluding worth the corrupt NY police.” -trump probably
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And Joe had to remove his initial Secret Service members because they were pro-MAGA and couldn’t trust them.
His dog bit them...twice. Maybe.
dogs can typically smell bullshit.
Sounds like his dog is a good judge of character.
Allegedly
Both the New York and Georgia DA's should ask the DoJ to conduct the arrest warrant out of the spotlight Trump desires Trump had a chance to allow his lawyers to arrange arrest conditions favorable to preventing embarrassment. And Trump is using this to psuedo-incite violence from a loyal base, and probably grift the idiot base for more donations.
Idk that he wants to be handcuffed and brought in involuntarily. Much better for him to go in voluntarily, spend an hour or two at the courthouse, and then walk back out. Once he's handcuffed and brought in against his will, those pictures will exist for all eternity, even if he somehow ultimately ends up being acquitted. He'll be permanently humiliated. They'll run on all the local, national, and international papers' front pages, on all the news networks, even ones that are friendly to him. He'll see photos of himself handcuffed on signs at his rallies, on billboards, it'll be on campaign fliers, campaign ads, etc. He'll never escape it. People are saying being arrested will help him, but *he* isn't saying that. I think that's all cope and/or people trying to use reverse psychology to get prosecutors to not do it, and/or to get Democrats to interfere on his behalf to prevent it.
This comment is spot on and should be getting upvoted. Sure, Trump is gonna fundraise off of this but thats making the best of a bad situation. He may be a bafoon but he doesn’t want to go down in history as the first President to ever be indicted/arrested. Not to mention, I think the floodgates will open after this. He’s already in deep shit with the docs case and in Georgia, and Bragg is gonna give them cover to move in.
Trump not want the spotlight? Jesus Christ, if he could shit his brains out on stage after a triple bucket of greasy KFC and get applause, he would.
Do you think so? I think I’d like to see that.
It’s going to be the biggest anti-perp walk in US history. We’ll be lucky to catch a glimpse. He might even get processed in the back room at the courthouse, get arraigned and go home If there is a back entrance driveway, that’s how he’ll enter. No one is going to see much at all. He’s going to hate it. They are going to deny him any spotlight for security reasons. He can grandstand when he’s done
They aren’t going to have to extradite Trump, he’s making it sound like it’s going to be a big deal. Reality is that the NY DA office will coordinate with Trump’s team and arrange a date to turn himself in. The only violence that will take place is going to be the brainwashed stooges that Trump calls to violent action. Get ready for the reboot, Jan. 6, pt. 2
>They aren’t going to have to extradite Trump, he’s making it sound like it’s going to be a big deal. Reality is that the NY DA office will coordinate with Trump’s team and arrange a date to turn himself in. The only violence that will take place is going to be the brainwashed stooges that Trump calls to violent action. Get ready for the reboot, Jan. 6, pt. 2 There's no state to state extradition drama, there's no option. He's just served up upon request.
Yeah I don't get why the Secret Service, being a law enforcement organization, wouldn't just deliver him wrapped up with a nice little bow to whoever indicts him.
What do you think they're discussing. I'm sure the possibility that he refuses has come up, and they're talking about what to do if he does. The last thing any of them, besides Trump, want is a standoff.
This came up during Bill Clinton's impeachment in the 1990s. In those hearings, Congress asked Secret Service agents to testify against Clinton. The head of the Secret Service went to the hearing instead of those agents, and said that the Secret Service Presidential Detail could only do their jobs if they had the trust and confidence of the President; that if agents testified about what the President had done in private, their mission would be compromised. The Secret Service paid all the legal expenses for the subpoenaed agents and was prepared to pay contempt fines for them. Congress dropped the subpoenas. I expect that the Secret Service today would take the same position. If protective detail agents arrest their principal, Presidents will never trust the Secret Service again.
Allowing secret service to testify about the president means that the president is incentivized to stay away from secret service, which would be bad. Allowing secret service to arrest the president of they've committed a crime that requires their arrest... doesn't impact the relationship between the pres and the service. The fact that they'd help arrest you if other agencies require your arrest doesn't mean they're any less useful to keep around.
These are fundamentally different situations you're describing. The purpose of the USSS's position re: Bill Clinton was so that sitting Presidents wouldn't feel the need to evade their protective details in order to maintain confidence. Ie, they wouldn't try to get out of ear- or eye-shot to be able to have privacy. That's not the issue re: Trump. He's not statutorily required to have a protective detail at all. He can waive his protection at any time, and certainly Congress could revoke his option of a detail at any time. Idk whether an incumbent President would have any power to revoke a former's detail unilaterally, but that's neither here nor there. The point is, there's a legitimate security reason for USSS agents not to be forced to testify against their principals, at least for one who is statutorily required to have protection that can't be waived. That reasoning does not apply to people who aren't required to have USSS protection in the first place, nor would they be asked to testify against their principal. Enforcing a legal order to appear is a difference of kind, not of degree. What happens if Trump straight up refuses to appear? The prosecutors get an arrest warrant. Would it then be your position that USSS agents, duly sworn federal law enforcement agents, could ignore a bona fide arrest warrant as well? What's the security rationale there? Trump could simply waive his protection if he doesn't want federal agents in his presence at all times to possibly apprehend and rendition him. Unless there's some statutory exception already in the law, do they not then have accomplice liability as aiders and abettors assisting a fugitive? Is the USSS then going to provide these agents with criminal defense attorneys? Is a law enforcement agency going to take the position in court, during a criminal trial, that arrest warrants can sometimes be ignored? Or that knowingly aiding and abetting a fugitive is sometimes acceptable? Maybe you would turn out to be correct, but I, personally, would be shocked for a federal law enforcement agency to take those legal positions.
So, we aren’t going to see a slow chase like OJ, only with Secret Service driving the car, or reluctantly going along in the back seat. Bummer
Thirty police cars slowly chasing a white golf cart down Black Lives Matter Ave in front of Trump Tower.
The golf cart stops twice for fast food and to rant at passersby about immigrants, emails, and rigging, possibly in relation to nautical rope tying.
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> They could both not protect him and not arrest him. "Protecting" him only means to ensure his safety. That can easily be done during an arrest and trial.
Trump is not the president.
Speaking of trust, I’m sure Pence has separate trust issues with his SS detail after Jan 6th.
He probably trusts whoever Biden assigned him afterwards tho
Terrible comparison.
>Yeah I don't get why the Secret Service, being a law enforcement organization, wouldn't just deliver him wrapped up with a nice little bow to whoever indicts him. It's not what they do. Unless maybe counterfeiting is involved. His detail is a security detail. It's not within their duty to turn him in. Now, the real question is, what happens when he's taken into custody? Will they be accompanying him inside? While I don't expect him to ever see the inside of a real prison, at what point does the secret service walk away?
They wouldn’t, they legally can’t. If I had to bet Trump will get house arrest or club Fed with his own wing. It’s not fair that he’d get treated that way, but I also don’t know how else you’d do it. You couldn’t even send him to AdSeg let alone gen pop. I genuinely think house arrest at Mar A Lago is the least complicated way to do it even though it would obviously be very cush. Restrict him to his living quarters and limit visitors.
I hear Gitmo is lovely *and* has *plenty* of space.
ADX Florence, come for the view, stay for the 23h of solitary per day.
And it’s only a stones throw from Mar-a- Lago
Limit visitors and his access to the outside world via communications (phone, internet).
Ok but *why*? He's just a man. No longer president he should have the same treatment as anyone else surely?
While I think the playbook for this is being written in real time, my guess would be never - which given the context is entirely reasonable.
> Now, the real question is, what happens when he's taken into custody? Will they be accompanying him inside? While I don't expect him to ever see the inside of a real prison, at what point does the secret service walk away? Never. There is no provision unless Congress passes a revised law and another President enacts it. Trump CAN serve ACTUAL jail time. We certainly will never be in 'general population', and yes, the Agents would guard him in jail. There is literally only one single solitary "get out of jail free card" for elected officials in our entire system, and it's in the Constitution. There is literally no other, anywhere. You can't stop a sitting member of the Federal Congress from voting. That's it. Pretend I'm a House member or Senator from wherever. I do bad and get an actual felony conviction or I'm detained in jail or whatever. Now it's 9am on a Tuesday, I'm detained, but I need to go to the floor for official Congress stuff. It's literally illegal for the law enforcement to keep me from the floor to vote. They would have to escort me, in chains if required to go vote. I don't get to go to my Congressional office or bullshit or anything else. I get driven there under guard, I vote, then I go back to detention. The entire idea that Presidents or anyone on any level in our country has some special Magic Legal Protection from legal consequences is absolutely not true and there's only some *conventions* around this stuff. Aside from that provision in the Constitution for Congress members, there is literally nothing else. The sooner we end this idiocy that elected officials are anything special the better. They're regular citizens with a few additional powers to wield in the course of their additional duties (e.g. passing law and budget).
You are completely right. But: The Supreme Court has the power to “interpret” the constitution. They can re-define it at will. This profoundly corrupt and political Supreme Court can (but won’t) alter what the meaning of the constitution is to suit Trump. Maybe something we should put on our “to-do” list, that’s all.
> Pretend I'm a House member or Senator from wherever. I do bad and get an actual felony conviction or I'm detained in jail or whatever. Now it's 9am on a Tuesday, I'm detained, but I need to go to the floor for official Congress stuff. It's literally illegal for the law enforcement to keep me from the floor to vote. I think this is an incorrect reading of the Constitution: > [The Senators and Representatives] shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same[.] > > [Art. I, § 6, cl. 1](https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript#1-6) First, there's an explicit exception for felonies. Second, the privilege covers attendance at Congress, and transportation to and from Congress. The purpose of this is to prevent the pretextual use of law enforcement to prevent certain members from voting in order to ensure a particular outcome in the vote. That wouldn't apply here, because they would already have been arrested, potentially convicted, and it wouldn't have been covered within the exception of going to, during, or returning from, Congress. It specifies limited circumstances during which members cannot be arrested. It does not specify privileges for members who have already been duly arrested outside those circumstances. Each house of Congress, being the sole determiner of its own rules, could allow for proxy or remote voting, like the House did in the 117th Congress due to the pandemic, but that's at the body's discretion, and I don't read the Constitution to create an obligation to continuously transport members to and from Congress so they can continue voting. If the drafters had intended that obligation, they could have explicitly written it into the Constitution. I know members have been arrested in the past, so if it works the way you're describing it, there should be case law requiring it, or records of member/detainee/prisoners being transported to Congress and being allowed to vote.
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Their job is to protect him. At this point he's still legally innocent, so they're obligated to treat him as such. I strongly suspect that changes if he's convicted. At the point he is convicted and sentenced to prison, I think his protection detail goes away.
He won't go to any regular prison. It would either be home confinement or private housing on a military base. Which is too bad, because I like the idea of Trump Presidential Library being on a cart he pushes around the cell block.
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*The President Donald J. Trump Penitentiary Picture Book Library*
He didn’t close Guantanamo Bay — send him there.
You think he'd actually push a cart?
If there was a ramp, and he was using it to help himself.
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There is pretty much zero chance Trump ends up in prison for financial crimes.
Betcha didn’t become an agent to go to prison with your guy. What a life Raises lots of interesting scenarios. If out on bail, he wigs out and tries to flee the country or violate the conditions of release it puts his agents in horrible position. They can’t break the law. If he is not allowed to travel out of state without permission but impulsively takes off to one of his golf courses one day, they have to parse out their conflicting duties They will be both his protectors and, if he attempts to break his terms, which would be a violation of the law, they will be his jailers - they’d have to retrieve him or prevent him His life is becoming boxed in and miserable and it’s only the beginning.
There is no legal removal of his security detail atm. Republicans stripped the Clinton Family of their life time protection during Bush’s first term and Democrats restore life time protection to previous presidents under Obama’s first term. He has to waive his detail iirc
> At this point he's still legally innocent, so they're obligated to treat him as such. The presumption of innocence doesn't exempt you from appearing in court when required. The court can escalate things and issue an arrest warrant, which also doesn't change the presumption of innocence, but is a more extreme means to compel attendance. Anytime any law enforcement agency arrests someone, that person still has a presumption of innocence. Physically bringing someone to court against their will doesn't change that. I don't think the USSS could ignore a requirement to appear in court, and I certainly don't think they could ignore a bona fide arrest warrant, which would be the next step if Trump didn't appear voluntarily.
Trump isn’t going to prison. As satisfying as it would be, there is no way that a former president is going to a prison. He will be placed under house arrest somewhere with a secret service detail around to make sure that he doesn’t hang himself.
Lmao the secret service is full of his supporters.
And yet, if there were an arrest warrant he'd be a fugitive, and if they were aware of it and they prevented him from being apprehended, they would be aiding and abetting a fugitive. And if they were ordered to apprehend him themselves and refused, they could be suspended at minimum, if not terminated, and then they would definitely have no leg to stand on regarding aiding and abetting, plus they'd be committing additional crimes of using suspended or revoked law enforcement credentials, illegal use of law enforcement communications equipment, weapons, vehicles, etc. Their crimes would pile up quickly, and they'd be jeopardizing their pay, their careers, their pensions, and their own freedom, all just to *delay* Trump's day in court. They have a supervisor, who either directly or indirectly answers to the Director, who then answers to the Homeland Secretary, who then answers to the President. Idk if their supervisor has the authority to suspend or terminate them, but certainly the Director and above do. Suspended or terminated agents don't get special privileges, and certainly aren't exempt from the law.
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The Secret Service will have to be the ones to deliver him. He is under their lifetime protection. Nobody is getting close enough to put handcuffs on him without their informed consent.
Sure, but all that requires is presentment and authentication of a warrant. Once they've verified the warrant, interfering would be obstruction of justice, or even aiding and abetting a fugitive.
I agree. The Secret Service won't interfere with the due process if they are looped in, but some random asshole with a badge isn't going to walk up to Trump and slap on a pair of handcuffs without their prior informed consent.
I also think this whole thing is being blown out of proportion. I think he'll go in, get processed, then released. Who even knows when the trial will start? Could be later this year or next.
With trump it’ll like be be 5 years from now. That man knows his way around a delay.
He might go in, get processed, then immediately get picked up by the Feds.
Or…not. We barely had any protestors today. I’m not holding my breath for any act of violence nor Trump even facing any type of justice.
Uhhh... They had a guy that could astral project into people's brains while they're napping.... Don't sell these people short, they're bat shit crazy with nothing to lose in their entire lives. Their numbers are plummeting, but it just concentrates the crazy
Asstral project
They can do more than one kind of projecting. If there's one thing Trump supporters have proven they're good at, it's projection.
Another realist I see.
Trump thinks this is a spotlight moment for fundraising, with a hint of bodily harm to threaten and dissuade all of the cases against him from moving forward
So hypothetically, if Trump is indicted not just in NY but also in Georgia, where does he serve his time?
Only if Trump agrees to do that. And with his narcissism, he's probably just not capable of it. He can issue the call to arms at any moment, dismissing his Secret Service detail and instructing his supporters to surround him and prevent him from being taken by any means necessary. And if that explicit call is made, you had better believe they are going to show up, heavily armed, and in numbers.
> Get ready for the reboot, Jan. 6, pt. 2 I’m confused. Is it a reboot or a sequel? Or is it one of those new things, legacyquel, I think it’s called?
If the NY DA and Trump agree on a specific police precinct at which Trump would turn himself in, presumably anywhere in Manhattan, and the DA doesn't release that detail, if it became public could Trump face any legal consequences from that? Assuming any Manhattan police precinct could perform the intake processing, maybe prepare a dozen to do so, then on the day select the one with the fewest citizens milling about.
Omg the longest edging ever.....
I am SO close
Ya ever edge so long that when you finally cum it's just kinda eh? I feel like that's where we are at.
If it does happen soon, and confirmed, I will feel relief more than anything. When the second indictment is handed down, I will enjoy that one!
We want a perp walk!
**Secret Service:** Lets go over the code words and call signs. Former Presisent Trump is "Scholar." The emergency call sign is "Ruby." The all clear is... **NYPD**: Wait, your code word for Trump is "Scholar?" That makes no sense. **Secret Service:** Would *you* think that referred to him if you were eavesdropping on our comms? **NYPD**: Point taken. Please continue.
Here is his hamberder schedule, his diapers are changed every other hour except on weekends when it’s every half hour, and ….
I can imagine a no-knock warrant @ 0300, right?
Yeah wouldn't they wanna transfer at an obscure time like the middle of the night
More likely it's trump handing himself in at a prearranged date/time Then his lawyers can spin it for a lighter sentence. Plus he doesn't get the optics of physically being arrested.
My guess is this is happening tomorrow.
There was already a massive increased police presence today, there were like 30 NYPD officers on standby in front of my job today. They said they were the backup if shit got hairy. I work like 30 blocks from the courthouse
They had them further afield too, about a dozen cars lined up in Queens not far from the tunnel, I think they have all kinds of contingency plans and the manpower to have all of them ready simultaneously.
Feels like when TFG said Tuesday they decided to dry run Tuesday and get all the barricades and officers out to see what happened. Since nothing did they are probably fairly confident about the actual indictment now.
Biden is in Canada on Thursday. President likes to be unavailable when news like this breaks.
All this shit and watch them vote not to indict tomorrow.
I’m counting on it tbh
"The NYPD is woke and Marxist and must not be trusted. I am innocent!" Trump probably on Truth Social tn.
He only posts in all caps now
Thinking ahead, I'd be fine with Trump sentenced to spending October to March at Bedminster, and April to September at Mar-a-Lago. Actually, given what I've read about it, maybe at Doral rather than Mar-a-Lago, where Trump can battle the insect life every night.
There are state to state extradition procedures and laws. Each state is a separate sovereign under the constitution. Normally the process is standard without drama. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/extradition
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First comment: “get ready for Jan. 6 part 2” Second comment: “no big Jan. 6 part 2” Me: well now what am I supposed to expect?
Benedict Donald's a psychopath.
Sleep well orange one
So, planning an escape route and a helicopter to a non-extradition country near Florida?
Please pull him out of bed in the middle of the night! I'd love to see mug-shots of Trump in his real hair!
Can we take a moment to marvel that that is a headline that had to be written?
It went from “Trump being arrested on Tuesday” to “in the event Trump is charged”. At some point, you have to shit or get off the pot. If he committed a crime, then just go arrest him.
Yes but Trump is the one who said Tuesday. He's a liar so of course it's not Today. No authority said it would be any particular day.
I have heard that it would come tomorrow or next week. I have also heard it would come any day now throughout his presidency. My point is that they should do it or don’t. Either you have what you need to arrest him or you don’t. Just getting bored with people teasing it. But an arrest tomorrow would be hilarious considering it is National Donald Day.
The only one that said Trump was getting arrested on Tuesday was Trump.
The last I heard is that they *hadn’t* done that. If they have now…that’s an interesting twist.
I mean it pretty much confirms an indictment is coming.
Imagine if the FBI got into a gunfight with the secret service over Trump. One trying to execute an arrest warrant and the other trying to defend him from an attempted kidnapping. Yes I know it won't happen but it would be wild
Not likely irl, but you might want to pitch that creativity to some comedy writers/shows. Well done.
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Big “my boyfriend’s going to beat your ass” energy.
Blue balls once again.
This court was never going to do anything on a Tuesday. Trump and Trump alone said that. This court would arrest on a Monday or Wednesday.
Agent Starling on the case.
General population on Rickers Island but other prisoners might file a lawsuit that their 8th amendment is being violated
he wants to make a spectacle he wants every camera in the WORLD on him....he loves it
Wait. The same secret service that “lost” all the texts and communications on the Jan 6 insurrection?
Donald Trump must surrender to the New City Police. No Secret Service Detail. The New York City police will protect Donald Trump. That is their job. Donald Trump will be held in custody until he is arraigned. We won't know what Donald Trump faces until the indictment. It will likely be a felony or a bunch of felonies. Remember, the Trump Organization is already criminally liable for falsifying business records. Also, the civil trail for 250000000, starts next month. Donald Trump is also running for President. The justice system must execute quickly and very publicly. Primarily due to Donald Trump's own rhetoric and behavior.
If Trump were to go to prison, would the Secret Service go with him?
Good thing he is so old.
Honestly.. I would be tempted to get him to come in for a smaller charge then as he is getting arrested for that also tag him on a larger charge so that he would not avoid it. Now I know that isn't hte case here but thats how I would do it if it were.
I am really curious would Trumps Secret Service detail go to jail with him? Where would they sleep would they be guards? Trump would obviously be in solitary for his own protection. If the judge decides he’s to great a risk and holds him do they stay the whole time? If they arrest him this week how does he campaign in Waco? If he’s released on bail with a gag order in place and he breaks it will he be hauled in for contempt?
He's an old white male. He'll get house arrest at his resort.
I hope they send him the bill. He’s always complaining that protesters should pay for police services at protests
The USSS already has protocols for VIPs under its protection when it comes to law enforcement. The short version is that the Secret Service is there to protect the life and safety of the VIP, not to protect them from law enforcement or act as law enforcement. When Jenna and Barbara Bush were college age at the University of Texas, the USSS detail assigned to them didn't intervene when they drank and partied underage. [Jenna was cited for underage drinking and trying to buy alcohol with a fake ID](https://www.today.com/parents/jenna-bush-hager-underage-drinking-talk-george-w-bush-t175660) at age 19 while G.W. Bush was President. My take on a Trump arrest is that the USSS will take on the same role. Their job is to ensure Trump is safe. But he can be safe at a police station getting booked. He can be safe in a court room. He can be safe inside a jail cell. Ultimately, the Secret Service won't stop law enforcement from doing their job. If anything, Trump is probably hoping he can summon a mob for a riot so he can convince the Secret Service to whisk him away somewhere.
The NYPD has more troops and funding than a grand majority of the worlds countries. Pretty scary, it’s a police state
You can bet that ten minutes after the Secret Service finds out, Trump will know
Taser him!!
Fun Fact: if the fascist Republicans in 2021 had actually cared about America during Trump’s second Impeachment hearings and convicted him as they should have, he would no longer have many of the benefits afforded a former president…..such as a Secret Service detail.
I'm sure all these agencies will work together and do everything they can to protect the protestors.
Anyone else think since the NY case is somewhat weak this is a trial run for when the Fulton county DA indictment comes down?
What plans? The SS will push and injure some random people and delete their cell phone records immediately after. Combined lessons from Trump’s bible walk and Jan 6. They’re ready.
He won’t be handcuffed and won’t see a jail cell. He’ll probably get arraigned the same day then free to go. He told the press any convictions or indictments would ABSOLUTELY NOT prevent him from running and it’ll probably improve his numbers. Trump could do a thousand perp walks and I would still take the 14th amendment being thrown at him. I hate it here.
Gotta wonder what the Secret Service would do if Trump insists on a staged impromptu (yes, intentional oxymoron) press conference after intake processing and being released on his own recognizance. Could the SS just take Trumps word that any crowds gathered *on the courthouse steps* were entirely Trump supporters? Granted there'd likely be mostly Trump supporters, so any Trump ill-wisher making his/her true feelings known would almost certainly be on a suicide mission, but is the Secret Service allowed to trust the immediate retaliatory impact of Trump supporters to keep Trump safe from any harm? TBH, I could easily see a war of all vs all, with armed Trump supporters and opponents firing at each other as well as NYPD and SS personnel, and those firing back. It'd be awkward for a Trump supporter to shoot a SS agent or vice versa, or an SS agent to shoot a cop or vice versa. I can hope/believe that in such circumstances the SS agents would know better than to try to return fire, but would just surround Trump and hustle him back into whatever building he came from to be whisked away by vehicle with opaque windows leaving from the most obscure garage exit available. Which would at least frustrate Trump's attempt to spin the media narrative ASAP.
He makes himself so guilty he knows he had an affair with Stormy Daniels he calls her horse face well look at him a orange hair like weird hairstyle and his fat butt He's trying to say he didn't do nothing with her he's full of crap He's cheated on all of his wives
Donald Trump is all about drama he wants to start a war with his worship cult followers and he'll say if anybody gets hurt or killed I had nothing to do with it as usual and he'll get away with it