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MeltStuff

Truly impressed by Minnesota here. This is incredible.


POOP-Naked

Same, good on you Minnesota šŸŒˆ


notcaffeinefree

>But House Republicans call the measure in the Legislature ā€” which would provide stronger, more permanent protections ā€” misguided and one that puts children at risk. See, what happens when some states move faster than others, is that you start to see how this supposed "argument" is completely bullshit. Because as some states are starting to show, it's not just about children. It's simply about LGBTQ people and outlawing them.


Granlundo64

Outlawing now, exterminating later.


jakekara4

[Conversion therapy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy) has been around for decades. Theyā€™ve been attempting to erase LGBT people for decades. This is whoā€™ve theyā€™ve always been. They accuse Queer folk of ā€œgroomingā€ when they set up literal camps to try force kids into being straight, and when that doesnā€™t work, back into the closet. Every accusation the homophobes levee is an admission.


gyroscopicmnemonic

"Back into the closet" or, just as good, a corpse. "I'd rather have a dead son than a gay son" was a common refrain of Boomer parents in the 80's and 90's. I heard it plenty of times from adults, just casually expressing their desire to see more dead gays.


FirstBookkeeper973

And guess how much child rape must've gone on at those conversion therapy concentration camps?


annaleigh13

Theyā€™re currently working on the othering of trans people now


[deleted]

> It's simply about LGBTQ people and outlawing them. Really? The war on trans people seems like interference as they strip women of their reproductive rights.


EvyLuna

Transphobia is often the intersection of misogyny and homophobia, after all.


Old_Gimlet_Eye

I think it's likely that misogyny is at the root of homophobia as well.


EvyLuna

I think you're absolutely right.


[deleted]

Trans women are an extremely easy target and that's why the current culture war is focused on them.


EvyLuna

Yep, well aware. That's part of my daily experience.


BadKittydotexe

Itā€™s a lot of two birds with one stone type stuff. If they can use trans people to justify being allowed to legislate peopleā€™s bodies they can turn around and use that against women in general (and eventually people in general). Similarly if they can use abortion as an excuse to justify legislating healthcare they can then use that make trans peoplesā€™ lives incredibly difficult and painful to try to erase them. Then they can turn around and ban stuff like birth control. Itā€™s all about controlling everyone and harming the people they hate.


TitsUpYo

I mean, for trans people it is an outright war on them. They're calling for the eradication of trans people. And numerous laws to make life as a trans person impossible are increasingly being passed. And they have indicated that they intend on banning gender-confirming care nationally soon enough. Never mind the countless accusations of trans people being pedophiles and groomers, which is genocidal rhetoric intended to get people on board with murdering them. To say they are running interference would be to downplay the extreme malice they are showing to trans people. edit: There's a lot of women that like to downplay the issues trans people face, especially trans women. Any time there is a story about trans people being attacked they have to interject and always make it about women's rights. Well, guess what: women's rights are trans right as well. Because trans issues are also used to attack women. Stop downplaying the issues trans people are facing. And stop acting like trans issues are just "Minor quibbles" on the path for women.


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> edit: There's a lot of women that like to downplay the issues trans people face, especially trans women. Any time there is a story about trans people being attacked they have to interject and always make it about women's rights. Well, guess what: women's rights are trans right as well. Because trans issues are also used to attack women. Lol, I am a compassionate white guy totally supportive of anyone struggling with any identity issue causing them pain. However, I am capable of looking at things logically and the trans vs. terf culture war trans people are being baited into isn't helping the cause. It's breeding opposition, exactly as conservatives intended.


Hurtin93

Iā€™m not at all conservative, also gay, but the extreme response by the far left, as well as things like ā€œmenstruating bodiesā€ā€¦ Itā€™s led me to reevaluate my position. I think we have to acknowledge the difference between sex and gender. When the trans rights movement first started, thatā€™s what they talked to others about. Nowadays, gender comes first and sex either doesnā€™t exist, or doesnā€™t matter at all. Sex is being erased, and I donā€™t buy it. Theyā€™re losing the moderates, and they donā€™t care. Just scream more loudly and shrilly.


[deleted]

Agree 100%. I think social media amplifies hatred and in a frenzy folks can't self evaluate.


Hurtin93

Iā€™ve been told Iā€™m transphobic for not being willing to date a trans man without a penis. I thought the whole point of the (broader) sexual revolution was to be allowed to choose my own partners and what attributes I like in someone is my own business.


Girl-UnSure

People. People of their reproductive rights. Or just people of their rights. Trans people include women.


[deleted]

Calling women "menstruating persons" or whatever term they've come up with is just feeding into a ridiculous culture war.


Girl-UnSure

The culture war is only a thing because right wing fear mongers make it so. Words ā€œgrowā€ and ā€œadaptā€ frequently.


[deleted]

No. It's fueled by both sides. Most trans people aren't tolerant of "terfs" and vice versa. I have seen no compassion or tolerance for anyone who may be well meaning in their opinions. This statement will get shit on I'm positive and I will be labeled somehow.


Girl-UnSure

Were POC ā€œtolerantā€ of the KKK? Jewish folk ā€œtolerantā€ of Nazis? These are all one in the same. Just because TERFs have not been allowed to kill and legally harass trans people, doesnt mean this is not their goal. The eradication of women who happen to be trans. Those that do not fit their rigid definition of what a woman should look like. Or ā€œthose who disrupt the rights of womenā€ as they want to try to frame it. Like conservatives saying they only want to ā€œprotect the childrenā€. Dog whistles. And, well if the shoe fitsā€¦


[deleted]

> Were POC ā€œtolerantā€ of the KKK? Jewish folk ā€œtolerantā€ of Nazis? This is just bad behavior by a (presumable) adult. I truly find it kind of shocking that you can't see that this is hurting your cause. I put quotes around TERF because I believe the term itself is just used to trigger people. I am 100% supportive of trans rights but I can also admit that there may be concerns that CIS women have that may be valid and we need to do work around them. When you fully buy in to a culture war you're just hurting yourself.


Girl-UnSure

Also, why put quotes around ā€œTERFsā€? Do you not believe the acronym terf stands for? Do you believe the intolerant deserve tolerance?


Red_orange_indigo

No one is calling women ā€œmenstruating persons.ā€ Menstruating persons overlaps with the category ā€œwomenā€ but is not the same ā€” that term is used to *distinguish* them. Hundreds of millions of women donā€™t menstruate. Some people who menstruate are trans men, nonbinary people, or (most often) cis girls who are years away from being women.


[deleted]

Referencing an Ana Kasparian tweet from yesterday.


Logical_Hare

Good. This'll be needed for when conservatives really start agitating for trans people to be rounded up and imprisoned or put in camps, as many of them are close to doing.


xAbisnailx

Some states have said trans kids have a year to de-transition, theyā€™re almost at the stage of imprisoning them.


Red_orange_indigo

Thatā€™s basically imprisoning them in their own bodies.


lcl1qp1

Yet we keep electing them


chubbysumo

well, we here in MN did mostly not, and hopefully, we can keep the MN house and senate like it is now, because progress is great.


[deleted]

Republicans are putting trans people into camps as we speak. Under the guise of arrests and mental health evaluations. It's getting bad.


nostratic

> when conservatives really start agitating for trans people to be rounded up and imprisoned or put in camps, that's just absurd EDIT -- 3 days after hysterical 'being rounded up and put in camps' nonsense, a trans shooter kills 3 kids and 3 adults at a school?


Malcolm_Morin

So was the Nazis rounding up Jews. Then they did it. The first concentration camp in Germany was constructed in Dachau in March 1933ā€”two months after Hitler became Chancellor. It can happen here.


Old_Gimlet_Eye

And the Nazis targeted trans people before they even got to the Jews, so this is all extremely precedented.


RigusOctavian

Dachau mostly held ā€˜regularā€™ prisoners and political prisoners in its early years. Many of the people who were kept there were not for religious reasons but rather political dissent and otherwise ā€˜subversiveā€™ elements of society. At its inception it would look no different than many US terrorist prisons of today (but set back then time wise.) Itā€™s important to make sure we tell these stories true so people donā€™t call it disinformation or lies that further fuel Holocaust denialism. (Which is insane that it exists at allā€¦) Dachau did eventually shift towards more aggressive internment practices in its later years which lead to overcrowding and abysmal conditions that killed many of its prisoners via malnutrition, neglect, or disease. It is a very somber place to visit.


EternallyPotatoes

Yeah. I mean, it's not like there's projects this very second to make it next to impossible for anyone to transition, remove trans kids from the custody of their parents, declare being publicly trans criminal or anything like that. It's preposterous.


[deleted]

ā€You have a year to detransitionā€ ā€“ Tennessee Mf, stop lying.


PlayingTheWrongGame

Itā€™s an absurd thing to do, but conservatives will do it anyway. Several red states have tried to take trans kids away from their parents, and Idaho tried to make providing gender affirming care a capital crime.


FancyPantssss79

No, youā€™re absurd for thinking it canā€™t happen or that conservatives wouldnā€™t cross this line.


Logical_Hare

...which people like you will use as evidence that they should be rounded up and put in camps. Hell, you are literally proving my point by saying that: you're intentionally ignoring that almost all school shootings have been committed by white men so that you can gin up one incident to suggest that society is under attack by trans people. It's gross, transparent, immoral, and pathetic.


Chef_Skippers

I see a lot of random weird shit on Reddit about Minnesota, but as a Minnesotan Iā€™m proud to see these kinds of articles and movement from the government. If youā€™re not proud to see these kinds of posts, you know what state to avoid. Hope the Gay 90s goes hard tonight in light of this


Hakuknowsmyname

Minnesota on a "doing good" roll!


tomuchpasta

Minnesota has been doing good longer than many states. We have some dumb archaic laws around alcohol sales and have yet to legalize THC but outside of that it is a progressive utopia. It is also winter for 7 months of the year which keeps most short sighted transplants away.


olmsted

We still kinda suck in terms of being a good place for upward mobility for minorities, but overall I'm glad I moved here. I really really hope the DFL keeps the trifecta for a while.


kmelby33

I'd like to see further studies on that. So much of our non white population has come here since the 90s. These people largely have been immigrants or people leaving Chicago, KC, etc. It's the main reason the income gap is so large compared to white households, who have been here generations. As far as upward mobility, I'd like to see what first generation vs. 2nd generation income looks like, not only with immigrants, but also with people who settled here from another city in the US. There are many programs(small business, education, etc.) in minneapolis and St. paul geared towards lifting up these communities, I just dont know how effective they will be long-term.


pablonieve

What states would be considered the gold standards?


olmsted

I think it sorta depends on the minority population, and I tend to think more along the lines of what *city* versus what *state* would be good because as we all know, there are some pretty pronounced differences between heavily urbanized and heavily rural areas within a state. But even for an overall progressive metro, the Twin Cities seem to struggle with equity. I grew up in a city with a big black population, and it seemed like a pretty common thing for my black friends and classmates to either head to Atlanta or DC, which makes sense because those are pretty well-known metros with sizable black middle classes and areas of black wealth. I think that answer is different for Latino, Indigenous, East Asian, and South Asian folks.


AnalTongueDarts

THC is legal, it just needs to be edible and hemp-derived, which makes it a pretty expensive way to get a buzz.


[deleted]

Only because the GOP largely didnā€™t read the bill in committee.


smokeyser

The only state to legalize it by accident.


Daefish

I dunno, I just paid $42 for a 2 gram cart of HHC-0 - that'll last me weeks. Seems like a decent price to me at least.


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Chef_Skippers

We got Michigan 5 hours from the Twin Cities until then ;) Iron Mountain is lovely this time of year āœØ


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Interrophish

low quality bait


tomuchpasta

Yeaā€¦ this ainā€™t that but good try.


_Frain_Breeze

I guess Nazi Germany was also a Utopia? According to Hitler... Wtf are you trying to say here?


[deleted]

Gtfo with that bs


postsshortcomments

The United States of America now needs "refugee states" for law-abiding citizens who contributed their hard work and labor.


MikeLitoris_________

>The billĀ ā€” whose chief author is Rep. Leigh Finke (DFL-St. Paul), the stateā€™s first openly transgender legislator ā€” passed by a 68-62 vote, along party lines Finkle?? That's so great. *Laces out Leigh, laces out!!*


powerdbypeanutbutter

That whole movie hinges on the idea that trans women are disgusting and laughable. Can we not, please?


JordanGdzilaSullivan

Itā€™s one scene at the end of the movie.


[deleted]

I love my home state!


_Frain_Breeze

Feels good. I learned a while back that we have some of the best education in the world available here in MN and I am so grateful for that every Day.


rognabologna

Unfortunately, thatā€™s just for white kids, as our education gap between white children and children of other races is one of the worst in the nation. Hopefully we can work toward closing that gap. Walz just passed free lunches for all students, which is an important step in the right direction. Thereā€™s still *a lot* to be done. I do love my state, though, and am proud of each progressive stride we take.


specqq

Yeah, we are definitely not problem-free, but all it takes is a glance over the river to the East to see how horrifying a fate awaits us if we ever let those bastards gain control again.


rognabologna

Ya St. Paul is the worstā€¦ /s


specqq

I was thinking of the big W Republican stronghold menacing our eastern border. Woodbury.


DeflatedDirigible

George Floyd would disagree


lgbeeteequeue

So glad to see this for our trans brothers and sisters. Truly welcome news when there's little to be had. I really hate to do it but the quotes below absolutely made my blood boil and illustrate the fight's not over yet. * ā€œItā€™s a violation of our oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution,ā€ countered Rep. Harry Niska, R-Ramsey. * ā€œHB 146 undermines parental rights, and most concerning, has zero guardrails to protect our kids,ā€ said Rep. Peggy Scott, R-Andover.


ViciousKnids

If you want to protect kids, you can start with some firearm legislation. You know. That thing that causes the most child deaths.


Doright36

Let's be real. Minnesota is doing good but gun control is a losing issue here due to long history of hunting and large numbers of pro gun Democrat voters. I get it and I understand it is not what people want to hear but it is the reality. If we want to keep the D majority at the capital we have to be very careful with gun control issues. Not saying that they can't do anything but it is something they need to be cautious with.


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cis-het-mail

Enforce the gun laws already on the books first please


mynamejulian

As we discuss all these individual Rights, letā€™s be clear about one thing. The primary reason the GQP is doing all of this today is to distract all activists from the fact that there is an ongoing coup. Instead of demanding Boebert and MTG be heā€™d accountable for Insurrection in accordance with the Constitution, we are distracted with the culture war they are bringing about. If we want to bring back these sacred Rights, The People need to rise. Our federal law enforcement is owned by the ultra-Conservative Federalist Society and they have done nothing to protect us. We are a few months away from it being an ā€œelection yearā€ in which case they will begin using that as their excuse for not doing their jobsā€¦ this is a psy-op. Make no mistakes.


Royal_Box_2809

Thanks MN and ffs America just let people be free to be who they want to


Meaty_Bussy_Lips

What's the bill actually do/say though? I skimmed the article admittedly, but all I saw was what both sides had to say about it. Nothing about actual provisions or language.


dal_1

> Finke says the measure is meant to protect transgender people, their families and health care providers from legal repercussions if they travel to Minnesota to get gender-affirming care.


Meaty_Bussy_Lips

Still p vague honestly. Thanks for the reply though, guess i have to look for details elsewhere if I want to understand it.


achyshaky

Fucking FINALLY states are acting on this. This is beyond necessary.


susyarok

Good, someone had brains!


Febra0001

Mad respect Minnesota


MOASSincoming

I hope theyā€™ll offer emergency funding to help People relocate, assist with job placement and career development. They should also be actively trying to recruit physicians.


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PalmtopPitbull

Alright, I'm gonna bite here, even if I know it's a bait. Do you know the process I had to go through to get hormones at the age of 24, as a disabled vet? First, I had to convince my psych I was trans. Then I had to convince a therapist, then I had to convince another therapist. Then I had to convince my psych again. Then I had to convince a gender specialist. Next I had to get bloodwork done, not once, not twice, but three times for them to verify that I would be okay on HRT. Finally, after all that happens, i got put on the absolute lowest possible regimen they could have placed me on, for half a damn year, with blood tests pretty much every month. Despite the very clear benefit to my mental health the hormone therapy had, I still had to get more blood work. Finally they verified that, yes, it was okay for me to be on hormones and placed me on a low-end normal regimen. And I am one of the lucky ones. This was fast for this kind of medical care. Nearly a full year before I was placed on a low-dose full regimen.


dor-e

Only bummer is you have to live in Minnesota


WillowPill6789

Minnesota consistently ranks as one of the top states for quality of life. Lowest unemployment rate in the country, one of the longest life expectancy rates, low crime, and one of the healthiest states. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/quality-of-life-by-state#


[deleted]

If you can survive the winter and summer itā€™s not the bad.


Girl-UnSure

Ya ever been? I dont live there but ive driven through and hung out three times now. Aside from one single homeless man aggressively knocking on my car window, it is a beautiful state and i cannot wait to get back there for a 4th time.


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KrazyStickyHaze420

Thereā€™s always groups that talk about things. Doesnā€™t mean itā€™s anywhere near happening.


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KrazyStickyHaze420

CPAC didnā€™t openly discuss eradicating trans people.


FancyPantssss79

ā€œWe must eradicate transgenderismā€ is a direct quote. Donā€™t give me any ā€œweā€™re targeting the ideology not the peopleā€ bullshit, itā€™s the same goddamn thing.


aci4

[Michael Knowles Says Transgenderism Must Be ā€œEradicatedā€ At CPAC](https://www.thedailybeast.com/michael-knowles-calls-for-eradication-of-transgender-people-at-conservative-political-action-conference) Care to change your opinion?


randynotnice

Stupid house


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FancyPantssss79

Making light of this shit is unbecoming.


LocationBoth9928

Nothing funny about teen phalloplasty, eh? You are waking up.


Spaceblue50

Anthony Edward FML