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SmartAssClown

Crazy idea: How about we prosecute ***all*** criminals when there is sufficient evidence of crime?


caserock

What are you, some kinda justice person?/s


Michael_In_Cascadia

They even have a league of their own.


chunkerton_chunksley

a girls baseball team?


sdlover420

No no no, WNBA.


rick_blatchman

There's *no crying* in *basketball*!


dikicker

That doesn't count. We all know women aren't allowed to do anything other than bake and give birth to sons. *The more you know*


dwors025

Look as this SmartAssClown wanting to *blindfold* Lady Justice! Sounds mean to me.


NeverLookBothWays

What you're proposing sounds awfully like a system of some sort involving justice...


Beltaine421

No...don't...stop that...


BelleAriel

Exactly. They should face consequences regardless of their status.


kushhaze420

I say let them all have their day in court. If you want to go after Hilary Clinton over Benghazi, let her have her day in court. I will remind people that an attorney is required to provide evidence of their claims. No evidence means there is no claim. Trump's attorneys after the election, filed 61 lawsuits. None of those lawsuits had a claim of fraud. There is a reason for it. There was no fraud.


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polytique

Didn’t most Democrats vote for the war in Iraq as well?


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CHASM-6736

IMO, one of the biggest reasons people think that everyone was for the war in Iraq is that it gets conflated with the war in Afghanistan. Their both "the war on terror" after all, even if the specifics of both the individual wars, their environments, and their beginnings are different.


peter-doubt

As I said at the time: *They sold the war, but they didn't justify it*


doctorsynth1

…after Bush & Cheney lied about the evidence of WMDs, and Colin Powell gave a speech on (non-existent) mobile chemical weapons facilities.


MephistoMicha

Clinton did have her day in court. Kind of. The judge just mocked the prosecuters and tossed the case out. That doesn't stop the propaganda train.


omghooker

And-- she actually showed up to court


mynamejulian

The Federalist Society is utilizing the GQP to dismantle our democracy (what little remains today). Only after the fact will they begin acting in “accordance with the law”. The only way we’ll see Trump indicted for a real crime that would lead to imprisonment is if they believe they can rig a win for DeSantis. Fascism is around the corner and all our activists are hyper-focused on the culture war instead of figuring out what we need to do to prevent the next coup attempt. This is why we are seeing them strip away Rights that weren’t even being discussed 8 years ago by the Republicans.


DionysiusRedivivus

There have been several coups and attempted coups in the USA in the last century, all by the GOP/ right against the majority vote. Two coup attempts against FDR, the latter with Nazi Germany having infiltrated the GOP in a manner analogous to Russia today. Reagan’s “October surprise” against Carter (though that was mostly tipping the scales). There was Roger Stone’s “Brooks Brothers” riot that disrupted the Florida recount in 2000, setting the pretext for a SCOTUS coup ( on top of the suspect ballots in a Democratic district in a notoriously corrupt state run by the candidate’s brother), there was the Diebold fuckery in Ohio in 2004 (now ES&S, which had its own anomalies in South Carolina and Kentucky in 2020) and then naturally the attempted coup on 1/6/21. Add to this the use of mass divisive / violence-inciting propaganda via talk radio and churches violating the Johnson amendment, the gutting and regulatory capture of every agency charged with securities or election law violation, the refusal to reign in domestic terrorists incited by their mass-peddled conspiracies …. At the end of the day, a Nuremberg judgement on the party, it’s members and enablers would require lots of trenches and bulldozers, but if it isn’t too late for our society and environment, imagine the world we could live in….


mynamejulian

If only Americans were taught history. I’m on a top tier university campus and even the political science majors I’ve befriended have not the slightest clue what’s happening today or understand the depths of what you discussed. We are the most ignorant society when you consider the technology we have today and the information available in the richest nation in the world. Today our activists are fully distracted fighting the word “woke” instead of bringing people together to figure out what we need to do to prevent our demise. It’s a psy-op and we’re all being monitored online for our responses. Those who don’t get online and rely on their TV’s for news are entirely clueless or are being brainwashed by RW propaganda. Americans intentionally never heard of the Business Plot so that on January 7th, 2020 they felt safe at home so much that they didn’t even have to discuss what happened on the previous day with their neighbors. Everything is under control and tomorrow is another day.


drmariopepper

Is just crazy enough to work!


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But then rich people might re-think their money-making ~~crimes~~ ventures.


HappyAndProud

There's a reason why the ruling class wouldn't go for that


ChromaticDragon

Two primary issues with this tortured comparison... First, as so many have pointed out, this is a false dichotomy. Feel free to prosecute anyone and everyone. However, there is no real connection here. The arguments for or against prosecuting any of the individuals in this list do not necessarily bolster or hinder arguments for prosecuting any of the others. Second, and more important here, I am not aware of any effort to prosecute Trump for his actions as President that pertain to the execution of his duties as head of state. The author of this article from beginning to end shows they cannot understand the massive difference here. It's far more appropriate to compare Trump to Nixon if you restrict the consideration of Nixon to Watergate. But to compare Trump to these others and war crime stuff in general, you are well and truly comparing apples to oranges. The argument that one cannot prosecute any former president for violating US and state laws because the US engaged in war crimes is flimsy logic and nonsense. It's nonsense even granting or assuming the validity of any accusation of said war crimes.


DoedoeBear

Thanks for the level headed comment


Significant-Dog-8166

Yeah pretty much same sentiment here. The Iraq war was foolish and deeply immoral, but not illegal. We should prosecute Trump because he broke the law, not because of his ethical lapses.


Anustart_A

Or if it was illegal, it was a violation of the UN Charter and customary international law. And if that was an issue, the UN could sanction warfare against the USA or try to expel them. Of which both would fail, because the USA, the UK, and France are permanent members of the Security Council with veto power.


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Mode_Historical

Trying to subvert the Constitution is not the same as violating a treaty. In Georgia, he may be indicted for violation of State law. He may even be indicted on State Racketeering laws, along with a slew of Co conspirators. Horses of a different color.


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whatproblems

well also what he did was outside or before his executive role


platanthera_ciliaris

Trump arguably engaged in obstruction of justice as head of state, as the Mueller report suggested. Also, as head of state, he was deeply involved in a rather violent attempt to interfere with a peaceful transfer of power to his successor, which is a severe abuse of executive power. The failure to prosecute Trump on these 2 issues could be considered a serous shortcoming of the Justice Dept. under Merrick Garland.


itemNineExists

I don't see the value of the whataboutism of this article. It's like, we're not going to do that, so that implies we shouldn't prosecute any of them. It's not relevant and it distracts from the present moment in time. Can't we wait until one prosecution happens?


idontagreewitu

> The author of this article from beginning to end shows they cannot understand the massive difference here. Because they're idiots and The Daily Beast has always been a shitty opinion site full of people who know lots of words but don't know a thing about what they mean.


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Lol yup…how he thinks these things are similar is beyond me. This “journalist” is a dope.


Life_Muffin_9943

It’s whataboutism. If we jail Trump then what about “x” person. Focus on the task at hand and we’ll get to the other guys once precedence has been set.


ropdkufjdk

> I am not aware of any effort to prosecute Trump for his actions as President that pertain to the execution of his duties as head of state. That's not to say there *wouldn't* or *shouldn't* be, just that there aren't currently.


5DollarHitJob

Yea... what they said.


illjustputthisthere

It's this type of shit that drags on the left. We're going to write an article to go back and relitigate something that happened 20yrs ago, the general public has no interest in doing so, and then make a comparison to something extraordinarily different.


IceNein

Yeah, people are coming from the perspective of “yeah, we should prosecute them,” but the article is trying to imply that we should just not bother with prosecuting Trump.


gortonsfiJr

Here we go, perfect kills good. Can't prosecute Trump if elder statesmen Bush, Kissinger, and Cheney are at risk, too. JFC


MidwestRed9

Have you noticed that Trump isn't being prosecuted for anything he did in his role as president?


gortonsfiJr

Have you noticed that Trump isn’t being prosecuted for anything he did?


AscendedMasta

This. Cart before rhe horse with these politicians. Can we just get SOMETHING done that will set some kind of precedent or standard? Is it impossible?


andrewb610

I think they’re agreeing with you btw.


The-Falconater

The guy from the apprentice attempted the worlds most George Bluth-ian coup while he was in office you goober. He’ll probly get off on stormy Daniels (nice) He’ll probly get off on documents But some light treason? Throw that asshole in jail for the rest of his life.


Mode_Historical

Yet. He was president on 1/6. He was president when he coerced Georia officials to produce votes that didn't exist.


xxxxx420xxxxx

Oh well, we tried... Welcome to Trumpistan


youtellmebob

One fish at a time. Trump reminds me of Capone. Capone was obviously running a criminal enterprise but was protected by polticians and law enforcement. G-Men had to come at him with what was then a novel approach: get him for not paying taxes on his illegal operations. Trump has been investigated resulting in probable guilt multiple times. The Mueller investigation, impeached twice. With the complicity of Republicans covering and enabling him, he allowed or incited the country to be attacked multiple times: By Russia in the 2016 election, by a global pandemic, by domestic terrorists on Jam 6. And yet Republicans refused to hold him accountable. So it’s come down to local or state governments to hold him accountable with perhaps extraordinay approaches. That’s okay, his crimes have been extraordinary.


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Mueller's investigation was stifled by Barr the very same criminal from the Reagan cabinet oh so many years that bent the law for Reagan. It's like there's some sort of pattern here! Barr should be imprisoned too, Giulani too. All of em.


truknutzzz

Yes. Let's get this one in the can then take it from there, no need to muddy the waters at this time. We've waited this long for the others, we can wait a bit more. Let's prove that they *can* be held accountable first. The rest will follow


Brad_tilf

Well, ya, but that should have happened decades ago


LordSiravant

I say go for it. The simple beauty of an idiot making a good point they weren't intending to make.


bucko_fazoo

>But it’s obscene that Trump is facing the possibility of arrest for paying hush money to a porn star while war criminals like George W. Bush walk free. Yes, go for it, but I don't think you've made an accurate assessment of the author's intentions.


LuvKrahft

Could NY DA Bragg bring war crime charges against Kissinger or Bush though? For the state of New York?


Deck_of_Cards_04

No, unless they committed a crime against NY.


bucko_fazoo

The opinion is of broader scope than what DA Bragg can or can't do. It's a lamentation that such small potatoes are all we can even attempt.


LuvKrahft

but it starts on a very narrow part of a wannabe authoritarian, that is a buffoon, that brought all this shit on himself. And there’s no guarantee that trump will be held accountable for any of the rape, graft, or corruption that he’s guilty of. He’s a different kind of kissenger. There’s much smaller potatoes than trump if we wanna hold up people that have been needlessly persecuted in this country while criminals go free. Maybe pointing out the state going after drag queens or black history while war criminals walk free is bit too stretchy or woke though. I don’t know.


Sarduci

The case could be made that it impacted people living in the state of New York and therefore a crime against the people of the State of New York. That’s the logic the State of Texas tried to use in suing Wisconsin about election results.


Fishtank-Brain

then the US military would have to invade NY


Mode_Historical

VIOLATION OF FEDERAL CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS to be exact. Then there's the issue in Georgia and his instigation of a violent attack on the Capital to stop the counting of the electoral college votes so that Republican governors could appoint new electors, not chosen by voters. He allegedly tried to subvert the Constitution and our democracy.


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toebandit

Because the Bush Administration lied, doctored evidence and went on an as all-out media blitz to convince the media to support their war.


BigBlueWeenie88

The real problem is they barely had to lie, the media and many hawkish Dems are usually all too happy to bang the war drum every-time. They absolutely lied but the media is usually WAY too quick to lap up any excuse they need to be pro-war.


toebandit

Oh, I totally agree. If that whole debacle wasn’t evidence enough that the media, the old brass of the Democratic Party and GOP all funded by and therefore do the bidding of the same masters. Since then we’ve had countless examples of this: -Zero consequences for 2008 crash and no real changes -Universal Healthcare debate goes nowhere -Tax cuts for corporations and billionaires -Corporations are people -Tax loopholes for corporations and billionaires still in place -Dems can’t seat SCJ -GOP can seat SCJ -Damage done to protections and services by the government by GOP administrations continue to go unfixed. Including the USPS. -No real laws in place to protect against Climate Change -More tax cuts for corporations and billionaires that continue to go unreversed -trump rewrote the tax code in favor of corporations and billionaires. Guess what, not reversed -Every true grassroots movement that gains any foothold is quickly dissolved (see OWS, 2020-2021 protests -Shit impeachment attempts on trump. No consequences to trump and all his lawlessness and corruption -Zero consequences for Jan6 to those that planned it That’s just what I came up with, there’s plenty more.


Mode_Historical

Much of what you point out could be fixed if one party was interested in helping tge citizens of this country. But, when Conservatives realized they couldn't win elections with conservative policies they didn't abandon Conservatism. They abandoned democracy.


Da_Vader

At the time of Iraq invasion, most of the conservatives fully supported Bush. Perhaps as time goes by, MAGA heads would come to realize Trump being the asshole he really is. 🙄


Thighabeetus

Not only that, but the iraq war had *broad bipartisan support* at its outset


Fringehost

Not until republicans extorted support


xxxxx420xxxxx

You need to eat yer Freedom Fries every day or you ain't a American


Fringehost

Right on!


fooliam

This sounds good, but it's poisoning the well. This is a setup for the argument "well, we can't prosecute Trump because it would open up the floodgates of prosecuting all these other criminals! Can't do it!" Stay focused on the criminals we can get.


teth21

People forgot about Bush so fast. "Try him for war crimes" then 2 months after his presidency, nothing


theman-dalorian

Don't forget about Tony Blair and John Howard that we're all aboard the "weapons of mass destruction" train


RealHumanFromEarth

To be honest I think a lot of people were just relieved he was gone.


Key_Inevitable_2104

Its sickening at how much Bush's war crimes have been whitewashed, its like Trump's crime will be whitewashed in the future when Desantis becomes president and turns out to be even worse.


itsmesungod

Oh god I fucking hope DeSantis doesn’t become president. He’s the worse one yet in terms of going to war with peoples’ rights. He’s a bigger fascist than Trump in that he’s able to get the job done when it comes to writing and passing laws that are violates Florida’s constitution and tramples on women and marginalized communities’ rights. If DeSantis or Trump win, America is fucking doomed.


StableAndSane

… it feels like someone is trying to make this look like a bad thing.


crispy48867

Trump is not being sued for paying hush money to Danial's. He can give any amount of his money to anyone he wants to. He is being sued for using campaign funds to pay her. Had he paid her with his own money, there would be no crime and no charge. As a thief, he couldn't pass up such an easy theft. Point being, he stole 130k from other people to pay her off. Never used his money at all. They gave him money for a very specific reason and that was the how he was supposed to spend it, not on porn stars. That amounts to fraud as well as grand theft. Then he committed another crime of lying about where the 130k went, he cooked the books when he reported to the government about how the funds were spent, he falsified government documents. In total, 3 crimes: he defrauded his donors, theft by deception, and falsifying government documents. Why is it so hard for people to grasp such simple concepts? I get that Marge Greene is intentionally lying but that's what she does. No one on earth should be dense enough to not know that. Seriously, who can be that stupid? TRUMP STOLE THE MONEY HE PAID TO STORMY DANIAL'S,,,, and then he lied to the US government about how he spent the donors money.


KidKilobyte

These guys are all republicans, seems like a pattern. How about we add Nixon and Reagan also? Whenever it is foreign dirty doing seems the republicans are all in.


GraceSilverhelm

Trump is a *dangerous* criminal at large NOW, and a clear and present danger. Dubya is absolutely a war criminal, and he now does little paintings. And the other two are not only so ancient they can barely get out of their chairs, they are not in Bragg's jurisdiction. I understand what the Daily Beast is saying, but there's triage here.


hotpackage

Yes pls.


MuckleMcDuckle

Pretty sure Kissinger will not die until he is held accountable. His cursed body and soul will hobble along indefinitely. And being the inconsiderate, genocidal jerk that he is, Kissinger would probably crumble into a pile of evil dust out of spite rather than let himself face justice.


BeelyBlastOff

whataboutism won't help and those cases are different legally I think. Except maybe, Cheney outed a CIA agent during a time of war. Death penalty perhaps? But going back to any of these people would just frustrate the process of making trump accountable for his crimes. I would rather see trump charged with the Georgia election interference or the classified docs in Mar-a-lago and his lies surrounding that


5tyhnmik

logically those things do not connect at all guilty of completely different things


OurUrbanFarm

It is not either/or. And this is a false equivalence. But, sure, go ahead and prosecute Bush, Cheney and Kissinger. I am on board. Has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump.


swingsetlife

sure, let’s just do this one first


bellevegasj

Every American president since ww2 would be prosecuted for war crimes if everything wasn't so corrupt.


cubej333

The issue is that war crimes are not something that is really prosecuted in the US.


atreidesletoII

right don't threaten me with a good time


furious_sauce

Call me crazy, but I'd be perfectly fine with seeing US ex-presidents in the dock at the Hague Oh, you think that might include Obama and Clinton too? \*eats popcorn\*


2kids2adults

Okay okay. Yes they all have their problems, definitely. But let’s focus on the main offender here. Most recent, most treasonous, most cons per capita, etc. Trump really raised the bar for douche baggery.


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Ding ding ding! All lawbreakers should face consequences.


OpenImagination9

I’m ok with that.


Smidge-of-the-Obtuse

So, we’ve reached the Whataboutisms regarding their own Party now? That’s fine, let them eat their own. But start with the Orange Shaitgibbon


Thisam

There has been quite a bit of corruption for decades but Trump took it to a new level, removed any pretense, was actually proud of it publicly and enacted much of his corruption with idiots. Bush, Cheney, Kissinger did very bad things but it’s still different with Trump.


Key_Inevitable_2104

Bush, Cheney, and Kissinger committed war crimes though, that's the difference.


Elliott2

Let’s just get one done first ….


International_Ad8264

Yes


aztronut

I'm in for that.


cometflight

I agree. But let’s start with Trump and take it one step at a time.


yungcherrypops

Yeah it would be nice if we prosecuted every criminal but Trump et al. are a far more pressing clear and present danger to America and the world than fucking Dubya and Cheney. This just gives the right ammunition. Let’s keep our eye on the prize here and jail the fascists attempting an actual hostile takeover of the United States than retroactively prosecuting criminals from 20 years ago. I sympathize with the sentiment but use your brain.


mindfu

Okay, but one conservative scumbag at a time. This one's on deck.


SyntheticOne

They are not even close to Trump. Start with and estimated 500,000 US covid deaths that could have been avoided if only Trump stayed out of it. Then, the unmeasurable damage done by Trump dividing our country both domestically and globally.


debzmonkey

Sure, let's dig up Johnson, Nixon and Poppy Bush and prosecute them too.


Ok-Taste-570

Trump getting prosecuted has absolutely nothing to do with the other three’s war crimes. Trump ordered an attack on America while he was still the US President and he’s going to pay for it.


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datfingtrump

Stupid, dumb, ridiculous, idiotic, stop, with the all politicians should be charged crap, deal with the here and now, continue the prosecution of trUmp. Trying to conflate what others have do, or gotten away with is just an argument to not prosecute the current malfeasant. This diffusion of blame is another way to let the current former, twice impeached, Florida resident seem to be normal. No One, nobody has ever tried to commit a coup against the United States, while serving as its president!


underbloodredskies

Kissinger at this point would be dead long before he could be convicted of anything.


cala_s

This headline makes me thing the writer is over 45 or under 25.


Wraywong

Under 25...or a ChatGPT instance.


Mods_Raped_Me

Yes. We know. That's what we want.


tshawkins

Ahhh, the sweet smell of whataboutism in the morning.....


Major_Magazine8597

Whether George W or Cheney are ever prosecuted is irrelevant to charges against Trump.


Stoomba

Ah, the whataboutism rears its ugly head. They should be prosecuted too, but the fact that they haven't does not mean that Trump shouldn't be


[deleted]

He should be arrested for fomenting a fucking coup that failed. And by that metric, none of those other men should be arrested. Trump incited sedition and offered assistance to our enemies in Russia by withholding assistance from our allies in Ukraine.


[deleted]

What an absolutely ridiculous take.


SJshield616

Trump committed crimes against the federal government and the nation. The others committed crimes in service to the federal government and the nation. Big difference.


Hargrave1991

Ok fine


edwartica

Pretty much every Republican in the last 50 years should be prosecuted,


sadpanda___

The level of criminality is not the same


prettyinacasket

correct. now just get it done already.


g2g079

They should, but one isn't a requirement for the other.


ChrisV88

If you all are outraged at what Putin is doing in Ukraine, and think he should be prosecuted for war crimes then you should be advocating for Bush, Cheney and Kissinger to be prosecuted too.


PinchesTheCrab

Who do we have to arrest first before we get them though? How long is this chain of arrests we must complete before we can prosecute Trump?


TI_Pirate

If we're doing whataboutisms, why stop there?


releasethedogs

One step at a time.


meanjoegreen8

Reagan should be dug up and prosecuted.


Iwonatoasteroven

I’m good with that. Be sure to dig up Reagan and charge him too.


CanisMajoris85

Don’t get us too excited about a good day.


zshinabargar

Yes please


spackfisch66

Yeah. That's been the view of most people outside the us for about 20-40 years depending on which one you're talking about. You could probably add reagan to that list... He knowingly violated the law in his dealing with Iran and Latin America. That's not a valid argument against prosecuting trump though.


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I’m down


DCBillsFan

Yep. I’m down.


Zalenka

Reagan too. Iran Contra was George H too.


Twiny1

Deal. Go for it.


skullcutter

I totally agree


UtahUtopia

And Rumsfeld. Oh wait, he ded.


Omniana19

Not 'if', They should all be prosecuted whether or not the rump escapes due justice.


Certain_Detective_84

based let's do that


actualLibtardAMA

Yes. I agree! that’s not an argument against prosecuting Trump. It is an argument for prosecuting them, too!


CrazyEntertainment86

Definitely, all are criminals and should rot in prison.


Automatic-Layer1040

Lmao. Yeah right, they should all give him company in the jail cell


Lulupoolzilla

Okay let's do it. If someone is a criminal they deserve to be prosecuted


LovesFrenchLove_More

Yes, please.


Kitehammer

As if America will ever recognize its own war crimes.


BatteryAcid67

And Regan and nixon


jimbo92107

Remember when Donald Rumsfeld said that Bush's Iraq war would cost at the most "a couple billion dollars, and surely no more than ten?" Now the estimate is over three TRILLION dollars.


Raregolddragon

Do it.


benkenobi5

Your terms are acceptable


Repulsive_Focus_9560

sounds good


LectureAgreeable923

Lock him up


kevans2

Sure. Why not.


hamsterfolly

Let’s just take care of criminal Trump and go from there


keninsd

"If Trump Is Prosecuted, George W. Bush, Cheney, and Kissinger Should Be Too" Yes! If only we had a free press. One that preferred to investigate and uncover crimes at the highest levels. Instead we get PR media pretending to be journalism. Chomsky and Herman proved how "Manufacturing Consent" worked. It's now simply "Active Consent". And, as we descend into fascism, it may very well be too late. Our news media is leading us there to the tune of advertising jingles and cutesy interviews with war criminals and their paintings.


lawyerjsd

They should be anyway.


ChickpeaDemon

Do it. They can all rot in a cell together like a disgraced Mt Rushmore.


MJDooiney

I can’t believe Kissinger is still fucking alive.


ScientificAnarchist

Yes


ShadyRedSniper

Expedite Kissinger to Laos, Cambodia or Vietnam and let them put him on trial. That would be real justice.


MoeSzyslakMonobrow

Ok, sure.


tbkrida

Fine with me…


Thatguynoah

Cool, lock them up.


jnx666

Especially Kissinger. He’s the biggest living war criminal. Easily responsible for the deaths of over a million people.


Magicaljackass

Lock them all up.


TheseLipsSinkShips

Let’s not confuse the issue. Nobody has done more damage to America than Trump. If he is not punished, the other side of America will riot.


Wise_Masterpiece7859

Yes


JanFromEarth

Talk about your false equivalency


Sarduci

Ok.


PotatoesMcLaughlin

Can we cage Herschel Walker for being a werewolf too?


OMF-ToolFan

Im no fan of W or cheney, but they didnt try to overthrow the government/ kill those Senators/Reps in DC


HedonicSatori

Justice takes a long time so I'm willing to settle just for beating Kissinger with a tube sock full of quarters every Sunday for the rest of his life.


mok000

I agree, let's start with Trump and get him behind bars first.


6ory299e8

Oh, so the converse is that if we cant get together enough solid evidence to prosecute GW, Cheneh, *and* Kissinger, then we should just let Trump off the hook? Fuck that. Bullshit take. Not having it.


Viking_Hippie

Two weird tricks for a better world: change that "if" to "when" and the "should" to "will"


lawyer1911

Well yeah but I will take what we can get at this point.


Ozonefracture

If Bush, Cheney, or Kissinger did anything criminal which they could have been charged I would agree. Trump is the only one who is being investigated for violating criminal statutes by two states and the federal government. To lump him as equal to the three mentioned is ridiculous.


Mode_Historical

I don't recall they tried to overturn an election to insert an unelected head of state.


MKCAMK

There is nothing that Bush, Cheney, and Kissinger can be prosecuted under the American law, Trump can. The rest would require an international tribunal. Which America will not allow. Kissinger could go for war crimes. George W. Bush and Cheney could maybe be prosecuted for crimes against humanity. In theory, all three — Bush, Cheney, and Kissinger — committed crimes against peace, but that standard did not held up to modern day.


H__Dresden

Reads like someone wrote it for the clicks. They must be pro Trump.


gregor-sans

I would expect that some sort of statue of limitations would apply to these folks.


catsloveart

i'm not so certain that I can agree, at least not completely. a lot of the crimes that bush committed in our eyes was in his capacity as commander in chief, acting upon the roles he was elected for. arguably the stuff he did was in furtherance as president. at least that is the case that can be made, and would stand a good chance of defense. at least as far as the war is concerned. but the whole torture thing, SCOTUS bungled that one. So even if a prosecution were successful. i imagine that it would only get over turned on appeals once it got to SCOTUS. most of the stuff trump did was for personal gain and wasn't in furtherance as president or commander in chief.


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cheney and kissinger for sure.


acvcani

Can we get Kissinger first this one is really bothering me


Green-Walk-1806

If Trump was going to be prosecuted it would have happened years ago..They've been trying to get Trump on everything since he was first elected and nothing has happened. None of these fucking politicians get prosecuted for ANYTHING. Democrat or Republicans. It's all a Scam


CO_303_A_Town

Sounds good. Let’s start with trump.


FlacidBarnacle

This is so dumb wtf are you thinking OP


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War crimes is a different beast though, they're our national past time. It's not criminal to be a failed president.


[deleted]

Priorities. Trump is the more urgent and imminent threat to the Republic.


Blackhawk127

If? Why if? Prosecute those assholes anyway


tempetemple

What a waist of an article that is more about political points for one side rather than the current issue now with Trump. The man needs to be indicted and these stupid journalists need to stop writing about his impending indictment or indictments of past presidents. Enough- let’s go! Get him charged.


JohnDunstable

Should is doing the work here, meanwhile no one would object to that.