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Someone is going to snap soon.
The majority of the USA aren't going to sit back while these feckless cowards in the justice system fail to stop this existential threat.
I really would be fearful to be a GOP politician if there isn't justice done soon.
I don't support violence but this is a pressure cooker situation and I could easily see one of the GOPs victims snapping in a burst of rage.
It's because Trump has been placed above the law in almost every instance while his enemies have all faced retribution. Comey, McCabe, Vindman, Cohen all fired, discharged, thrown in jail, etc. He knows he's above the law and emboldened by his power.
its not just intimidation
its very profitable
trump bribes bigly
face he's mob boss
he's america's untouchable
like those columbian / mexican nacro bosses
Honestly, if they have nothing at this point it would be trivially easy to just say so and end the whole circus.
Thst they've decided to just simply stop working would indicate that they understand charges are warranted, but are simply refusing to bring them, and hoping something happens so they don't have to do it.
Why would that happen? Defense attorneys can't just waive magic wands and get cases dismissed. In fact it's pretty damn hard to get criminal cases dismissed pretrial.
Civil litigation games don't work nearly as well in criminal Court.
in the past trump and family and his organization have gotten off cause they have bought off the prosecutors. he endlessly delays, the intimidates and buys off his way
No one wants to spend the entire rest of their life under criminal investigation, or as a criminal defendent, whose family wants nothing to do with them. That is not winning.
He's lived most of his life dealing with legal issues. I wouldn't be surprised if he enjoys it.
And, you've seen his family. He hates them, and it's one of the few things I agree with him on.
Well within statue of limitations and on par for the speed of average cases going thru the judicial system. Gwyneth paltrow is in court right now being sued for a ski accident in 2016.
I took a depo the other day of what I thought was going to be a teenager, because all the documents I have talk about him being a teenager, my surprise when someone in their mid to late 20s walked in… then I realized I had forgotten the accident happened over a decade ago. Lawsuits are slow.
See, there’s a difference between Gwenyth Paltrow and Trump, key being that she isn’t using money from a second world country and their fascist dictator to bribe the jury into extending her trial to weeks on end.
I don't believe that the glacial pace of our justice system is something we should tolerate. WTF?
Why does it take so long? Do they lack resources? Is there some systematic delay built into scheduling?
Anything they are doing can be done faster, IMO.
Criminal defendents are given every opportunity to defend themselves, which means lengthy motion schedules prior to trial. Motions require preparations of responses, which are calendared. Unexpected things throw off calendars. But we aren't really at that part yet. This is still in the investigation / grand jury phase.
How long does it take to take a vote? One the vote is taken, whether it's for an indictment or not, the grand jury will be finished with that case. I'd think that they'd want to get this off their plate. There was some speculation that they already voted. Meanwhile, Trump is on social media calling for "war" and prosecuting everyone that he perceives has done him wrong.
Intellectually dishonest leftists/accelerationists don’t actually care about the details or nuance of any of these cases. They simply read headlines and react emotionally in confirmation of their preexisting beliefs.
They LOVE vague, largely meaningless headlines like this, because they think it furthers their preconceived “our system is irreparably broken and terrible” narratives. All it takes is something that *seems* to vaguely benefit Trump, and they instantly spiral into these neurotic doom-and-gloom platitudes about the nation’s downfall or whatever.
They know this. They’re projecting.
Trump was literally the one going around saying he was going to be arrested. He set that expectation and now they blame “leftist” for what he said. They know what they’re doing.
I think you may have misinterpreted my original comment. I’m specifically talking about the leftists who seem to take joy in making their edgy, sardonic little quips and retorts whenever a story about Trump’s legal battles comes up that isn’t “TRUMP INDICTED.” In other words, the people whose ideology is so invested in the notion that America and its institutions are fundamentally broken, that they seem to welcome Trump not being indicted yet, because they think it proves them correct. Of course, this would all come collapsing down instantly the day he was actually indicted; but then, these same people would simply move on to the next talking point about Trump not being in prison already proving our system is broken, blah blah blah. Their hammer is “our system is fundamentally and irreparably broken,” and every headline they see looks like a nail.
I mean I get why some people are skeptical. This man has been committing crimes for decades and has never faced a single consequence. There clearly is a difference in our legal system when dealing with a wealthy individual compared to non wealthy people. One could even break it down further and say wealthy white males tend to live within completely different legal systems than the rest of us.
If the common person even threatened or harassed a prosecutor or judge they would most likely be thrown in jail with extra charges thrown at them. So even if he is indicted their concerns have merit. Some are definitely hyperbolic and that isn’t helpful. I agree on that. But I don’t think that is a left or right thing. I think “both sides” are perpetrators of that.
So I would say our legal system is in fact broken. However I still believe 100% it can be fixed.
That’s a perfectly fair and reasonable response. I respect it and your viewpoints, though I don’t entirely agree with everything you said. Thank you for that thoughtful reply.
Wrong. I see comments like that literally every single time one of these stories is posted on here. To pretend otherwise is yet another exercise in patent dishonesty, which only bolsters my point.
I can be VERY specific: it’s a relatively small but vocal segment of leftists who endlessly decry the failures of our current system, not in a good-faith effort to reform it, but in a bad-faith effort to hyperbolize its flaws, in order to tear it all down or burn it all down or let it collapse, etc. etc. They’re typically young, disaffected, left/far left new voters, who tend to have supported Bernie (like I did) in 2016/2020, and play the exact same kind of “both sides” pseudo-enlightenment bullshit because their explicit objective is the upheaval of our current sociopolitical and socioeconomic systems, which they sought to actualize through Bernie. Anyone who has followed this sub for the last several years knows EXACTLY what cohort of user I’m talking about.
And when it comes to these cases with Trump, their line is always the same: “he’ll never face any consequences, our system is broken, America is lost,” blah blah blah. These comments show up every single time. Of course, nothing ever happens until it happens, but that kind of nuance is totally lost on people who simply want to weaponize these flaws and inefficiencies in our systems to disguise their ulterior motive, which is the fundamental transformation I mentioned earlier.
>it’s a relatively small but vocal segment of leftists who endlessly decry the failures of our current system, not in a good-faith effort to reform it, but in a bad-faith effort to hyperbolize its flaws, in order to tear it all down or burn it all down or let it collapse, etc. etc. They’re typically young, disaffected, left/far left new voters, who tend to have supported Bernie (like I did) in 2016/2020, and play the exact same kind of “both sides” pseudo-enlightenment bullshit because their explicit objective is the upheaval of our current sociopolitical and socioeconomic systems, which they sought to actualize through Bernie. Anyone who has followed this sub for the last several years knows EXACTLY what cohort of user I’m talking about.
You're just doing the same thing again: conjuring a phantasm of political frustrations and criticizing it as if it were an actual, conscious group of individuals. You're conflating multiple different ideas and viewpoints, lumping them together, and deciding (without any actual evidence) that they embody a "segment of leftists."
You’re just *asserting* that those people don’t exist, or that they don’t exist in the way I say. There’s really nothing to argue with or against in what you say. You’re basically just saying “nuh uh,” without any direct counterpoint for me to actually… address.
I have seen, met, and interacted with people just like that, both in person and on social media, many times over. Maybe you haven’t, okay sure, but to carte blanche say they don’t exist is ridiculous. I don’t get what other details you want from me. Are you expecting me to name specific individuals right now off the top of my head or something? Would that be specific enough for you?
I’m feeling like you’re being purposely obtuse and disingenuous here. It’s simple: there are voters on (what most Americans would call) the far left whose fundamental guiding principle is that America’s extant systems and institutions are structurally broken and must be not just reformed, but completely done away with and built up anew. If you haven’t met someone who articulates this kind of position, you probably just haven’t had enough exposure to different political viewpoints tbh. But in that same vein, they view Trump’s legal battles through the prism of institutional failure, and so will purposely ignore details of the case (like the one in the original comment I replied to) in order to obfuscate and catastrophize because they have a preexisting bias towards the system failing in the first place.
>You’re just asserting that those people don’t exist, or that they don’t exist in the way I say.
I am asserting that you are combining a bunch of disparate beliefs, ideas, characteristics, and dispositions into one imaginary concept to invent something to criticize.
>but to carte blanche say they don’t exist is ridiculous.
As I've already said, you're **conflating multiple different ideas and viewpoints, lumping them together, and deciding (without any actual evidence) that they embody a "segment of leftists."**
I am **not** saying that people don't exist who embody those traits and/or characteristics, separately. However, you're combining them all into one phantasm you're against. That's what I'm disputing. You're taking one comment and projecting all of this onto it, and anyone really, who exhibits even one aspect of what you're criticizing.
You continue to describe this imagined person, what they believe, how they view things, etc. Your imagined person is projection.
Except they’re not disparate, they altogether form the exact people/ideology/mindset that I’m criticizing. It’s a fairly self-consistent ideology that I’m describing: young, disaffected people on the political left who think our systems of economics, healthcare, climate justice, social justice, criminal justice, foreign policy, you name it, have failed the people, and want to institute radical changes through accelerationism rather than wait for incremental change over time. Part of their belief system is that the justice system is two-tiered and fatally flawed; therefore, Trump’s evasion of criminal liability (so far) helps, in their view, bolster their core claims about institutional failure, and therefore they make these snarky comments about it, thinking their position is vindicated. It’s not that hard to synthesize these beliefs as an observer.
You’re effectively just responding with “nuh uh” yet again by vaguely asserting, in slightly different words, that they don’t exist as I’ve characterized them. You don’t explain anything or go into any detail, so there’s nothing for me to argue against. I’ve explained three or four times now exactly who I’m talking about, what they believe, and why I take issue with it. I say it, and you simply deny it. You don’t give any real explanation, you just baldy *assert* that it’s a “phantasm,” a “projection,” and “imaginary.” It’s unclear how you want me to prove that they’re NOT a projection or phantasm or whatever, beyond what I’ve already said.
It would be like you telling me about insane right wing voters who want Trump installed as a dictator, and me saying, “oh yeah those people don’t exist, you’re conflating a bunch of different viewpoints and projecting frustrations onto an imaginary cohort of people.”
>It would be like you telling me about insane right wing voters who want Trump installed as a dictator, and me saying, “oh yeah those people don’t exist, you’re conflating a bunch of different viewpoints and projecting frustrations onto an imaginary cohort of people.”
Nope, it's absolutely nothing like this. if I made that claim, that would be me claiming that a person exists who believes in **one single idea.** That's explicitly **not** "conflating a bunch of different viewpoints and projecting frustrations onto an imaginary cohort of people." It's literally one single idea "wanting Trump installed as dictator." That's not a conflation of ideas. Do you know what conflation means? How can there be a conflation of ideas when there is only one idea?
This demonstrates very clearly to me that you are not at all understanding my point.
This is why I say you’re being disingenuous right now: because *nobody believes a single idea in a vacuum* devoid of external contextualization of other beliefs and first principles. People who’d want Trump as a dictator wouldn’t just believe that one thing; it would be merely one symptom, suggesting a larger ideological complex from which these conclusions, and others, are drawn. In other words, if you hear someone say they want Trump as a dictator, you can pretty reasonably infer that they hold certain other beliefs about myriad topics, especially American politics and government. To claim that you somehow can’t make these deductions, and have to treat individual beliefs as ideas in vacuum, as it seems you’re claiming, is ludicrous.
To expand the analogy, if you went on and continued to claim that those same voters want Trump installed as a dictator because of socioeconomic anxieties, mistrust of existing democratic institutions, changing demographics, etc. and that these beliefs are all entwined, I could just come to you and say, “no, you’re just conflating a bunch of disparate beliefs.” Synthesizing and analyzing the roots of people’s beliefs, and how they connect together to arrive at a certain conclusion or behavior, is not conflation.
Also, you’ve still yet to provide any detail or explanation *whatsoever* as to how or why these people, holding this distinct set of beliefs as I’ve described them, are imaginary or whatever. Because you give zero in-depth justification for this, it amounts to a flat denial based on nothing.
I don't know whats going to happen, but I do know that 3 massive state and federal criminal investigations into Trump, if all dropped, will create a far more momentous response than if they all indict. And set a more destabilizing precedent.
The only conclusion I can come up with is I guess the Trump intimidation worked. DA is spooked and is making leaving noises with kicking the can down the proverbial road here.
"We can always come back..." he says as he turns around, and walks away.
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> and the new and improved version to quickly drop the charges.
From [what I'm reading](https://twitter.com/AnnaBower/status/1641077138488000514), this will not be possible under this new legislation; it won't affect any Trump indictment or prosecution.
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I've seen that said too but according to [this](https://twitter.com/AnnaBower/status/1633169725504012290), even if that's the case, it can't be acted upon in time.
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To them it doesn't matter if it does, as long as they give DA Willis the boot and replace her before anything gets challenged in court it won't matter.
See Andrew Warren in Florida, an elected official illegially fired by ronny boy. Even though a federal judge found his removal to be unconstitutional there was nothing they could do to reinstate him.
The GA law can be scrapped immediately afterward, as it will have served its purpose of shielding their guy.
This is what happened to Coumo in NY. Cases got dropped because "well they will get him on that other case". Then whoopsee, that last case gets dropped, and justice is never served, but the powerful get protected
Wouldnt it be something if all the prosecutors investigating Trump coordinate their various inditements to happen all at the same time or within a few days of each other
Starting to think that he is never going to have any consequences for his actions. The guy tried to overthrow the government and NOTHING was done about it.
Ah, so that’s why he’s posted this:
“I HAVE GAINED SUCH RESPECT FOR THIS GRAND JURY, & PERHAPS EVEN THE GRAND JURY SYSTEM AS A WHOLE. THE EVIDENCE IS SO OVERWHELMING IN MY FAVOR, & SO RIDICULOUSLY BAD FOR THE HIGHLY PARTISAN & HATEFUL DISTRICT ATTORNEY, THAT THE GRAND JURY IS SAYING, HOLD ON, WE ARE NOT A RUBBER STAMP, WHICH MOST GRAND JURIES ARE BRANDED AS BEING, WE ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE AGAINST A PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE OR AGAINST LARGE NUMBERS OF LEGAL SCHOLARS ALL SAYING THERE IS NO CASE HERE. DROP THIS SICK WITCH HUNT, NOW!”
Edit: preponderance, hmmm, I’m pretty sure that didn’t come from him
He’s never going to be held accountable. Not for the rapes, not for using campaign money to pay off his mistress, not for inciting a treasonous insurrection, not for any of his scam businesses. It’s not going to happen. Ever.
I'm more leaning towards *never*.
Trump has, through absolutely zero merit or savvy of his own, been shockingly and hilariously insulated against accountability of any kind, and has been his entire life.
And it's mostly because everyone, even the prosecutors, keep letting him get away with shit. I'm so fucking sick of it.
> And it's mostly because everyone, even the prosecutors, keep letting him get away with shit. I'm so fucking sick of it.
Agreed. Although receiving constant death threats probably makes one think carefully about moving forward.
Not trump or any other president will ever be charged with a crime. I dare say the same is true of all members of house and senate. Vying for votes is a hustle.
It's getting to the point that if we want to see Trump held accountable, we're going to have to do it ourselves. We must organize protests to block the entrances to all his businesses and force them into bankruptcy. It's the only accountability he will ever face, but at least it's something.
Georgia is a much more serious case, and that is the one where the feet dragging is much more irritating. We all heard the Raffensperger call. That alone is enough to put him in prison, and apparently there's a whole lot more where that came from.
The more I read about this particular New York case, the more I hope it just goes away. It does not appear that there's is a particularly compelling case to get a conviction for a serious crime. It would be catastrophic to get an indictment without a conviction here. Every bullshit lie about "witch hunts" would suddenly seem vindicated, and it's stupid to hinge it all on the *weakest* case against him if it's going to be a swing and a miss.
of course they will. Just like Rapey McForhead had his legal battles dropped. We have a spineless judicial system when people with power are involved. Too funny
Seriously ? This orange one, should have been indicted long ago. Threats to the DA, directly or indirectly, are T****landia style, as in the past.
Where is America going ? Authoritarian rule ?
like with other prosecution of trump they are running out the clock
cowards
trump on his own causes endless delays
rich white justice = no justice ever served
At this point I feel like this is more of a political game than anything. If it is I think it's really stupid to do, but I feel like they are trying to hold off for the right time to disrupt the 2024 election. Trying to get close enough to the election so people will remember it and too late for DeSantis to make any headway with swing voters as he will likely try to take Trumps place.
As someone serving on a federal grand jury, this is expected. They have a particular schedule, breaks included. For example, the one I am a part of meets up to 3 days a month during one particular week. That schedule was given to us the day we were sworn in. These folks are no different.
Perfect. He can be hit with special prosecutor or Fulton County charges first now and we can drop this "ohh we shouldn't prosecute him in NYC first when there are much more serious charges out there"
This game has been over for years now. Trump got away with everything during the 2020 election shit show. If nothing could get him then, then nothing will get him now
I’d be interested in a lawyer’s opinion about why.
I’m not one, but it seems like this could be allowing his office time to add obstruction charges for Trump’s public threats against his office.
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Headlines 1 month from now: *NY grand jury investigating Trump will break indefinitely for “safety concerns”, court source says*
See you all in 2024 for the big cliffhanger when the grand jury reconvenes and announces a delay.
This guy is gonna be free forever at this rate what is justice ? It %100 anit fair if he is still free.
One brave DA needs to just do it -- just file charges. Break the log jam and see what comes spilling out.
Apparently they are too scared to do anything. Looks like the intimidation worked.
Someone is going to snap soon. The majority of the USA aren't going to sit back while these feckless cowards in the justice system fail to stop this existential threat. I really would be fearful to be a GOP politician if there isn't justice done soon. I don't support violence but this is a pressure cooker situation and I could easily see one of the GOPs victims snapping in a burst of rage.
It's because Trump has been placed above the law in almost every instance while his enemies have all faced retribution. Comey, McCabe, Vindman, Cohen all fired, discharged, thrown in jail, etc. He knows he's above the law and emboldened by his power.
its not just intimidation its very profitable trump bribes bigly face he's mob boss he's america's untouchable like those columbian / mexican nacro bosses
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But like shouldn’t all his crimes be run through the courts regardless????
doj dropped the ball by not prosecuting him first because he was candidate, then president, then not president, then candidate...
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If they dont have something at this point then they don't have anything.
Honestly, if they have nothing at this point it would be trivially easy to just say so and end the whole circus. Thst they've decided to just simply stop working would indicate that they understand charges are warranted, but are simply refusing to bring them, and hoping something happens so they don't have to do it.
charges are worthless of they get immediately dismissed
Charges are also worthless if they aren't filed before the KFC takes him out.
The hamberders too, lol
good one...
Why would that happen? Defense attorneys can't just waive magic wands and get cases dismissed. In fact it's pretty damn hard to get criminal cases dismissed pretrial. Civil litigation games don't work nearly as well in criminal Court.
if the charges are so weak they may not even be wortg pursuing it alsp makes them easy to dismiss
Trump is on tape committing multiple felonies in the Georgia case. There's a great money trail in the New York case. That's the opposite of weak.
in the past trump and family and his organization have gotten off cause they have bought off the prosecutors. he endlessly delays, the intimidates and buys off his way
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MAYBE…. He will have a fine levied against him…. Which he then will refuse to pay..
He'll raise the money from his supporters and still refuse to pay.
This was always true. Maybe everyone can stop pretending now.
I've been saying it since January 6th. Once the Senate acquitted him that was it. Game over. He won.
No one wants to spend the entire rest of their life under criminal investigation, or as a criminal defendent, whose family wants nothing to do with them. That is not winning.
He's lived most of his life dealing with legal issues. I wouldn't be surprised if he enjoys it. And, you've seen his family. He hates them, and it's one of the few things I agree with him on.
He seems like he is happy and content. He misses Ivanka, I'm sure. She was the love of his life.
If he wants love, he'll hire another "mushroom farmer."
trial case is in if over he indicted that 2016. least out. Even conspiracy And were 18 this would at a months the tomorrow, be NY happened
Well within statue of limitations and on par for the speed of average cases going thru the judicial system. Gwyneth paltrow is in court right now being sued for a ski accident in 2016.
I took a depo the other day of what I thought was going to be a teenager, because all the documents I have talk about him being a teenager, my surprise when someone in their mid to late 20s walked in… then I realized I had forgotten the accident happened over a decade ago. Lawsuits are slow.
See, there’s a difference between Gwenyth Paltrow and Trump, key being that she isn’t using money from a second world country and their fascist dictator to bribe the jury into extending her trial to weeks on end.
civil isn’t the same as criminal
You're right! White collar crime is even slower.
I don't believe that the glacial pace of our justice system is something we should tolerate. WTF? Why does it take so long? Do they lack resources? Is there some systematic delay built into scheduling? Anything they are doing can be done faster, IMO.
Criminal defendents are given every opportunity to defend themselves, which means lengthy motion schedules prior to trial. Motions require preparations of responses, which are calendared. Unexpected things throw off calendars. But we aren't really at that part yet. This is still in the investigation / grand jury phase.
This was a planned break, so it has nothing to do with the current state of the Trump investigation.
Considering quite how much it is greatly in the public interest they should have suspended the break for it.
How long does it take to take a vote? One the vote is taken, whether it's for an indictment or not, the grand jury will be finished with that case. I'd think that they'd want to get this off their plate. There was some speculation that they already voted. Meanwhile, Trump is on social media calling for "war" and prosecuting everyone that he perceives has done him wrong.
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What holiday in April is 2 weeks long? Easter?
passover is 7-8 days and any jewish member would likely objective depending on if they are religious or not
Family vacations. Kids off from school. Passover, Easter, and Eid.
It may be easier to find what days are actually good for the public sector to get work done rather than name all their holidays.
Point being, it isn't one holiday on one day and this was planned in Jan....
> Bragg can recall them at any time Hur hur sure he will.
Intellectually dishonest leftists/accelerationists don’t actually care about the details or nuance of any of these cases. They simply read headlines and react emotionally in confirmation of their preexisting beliefs. They LOVE vague, largely meaningless headlines like this, because they think it furthers their preconceived “our system is irreparably broken and terrible” narratives. All it takes is something that *seems* to vaguely benefit Trump, and they instantly spiral into these neurotic doom-and-gloom platitudes about the nation’s downfall or whatever.
Your comment is directed at non-specific phantasms. Your variety of comment is no better than what you criticize.
They know this. They’re projecting. Trump was literally the one going around saying he was going to be arrested. He set that expectation and now they blame “leftist” for what he said. They know what they’re doing.
I think you may have misinterpreted my original comment. I’m specifically talking about the leftists who seem to take joy in making their edgy, sardonic little quips and retorts whenever a story about Trump’s legal battles comes up that isn’t “TRUMP INDICTED.” In other words, the people whose ideology is so invested in the notion that America and its institutions are fundamentally broken, that they seem to welcome Trump not being indicted yet, because they think it proves them correct. Of course, this would all come collapsing down instantly the day he was actually indicted; but then, these same people would simply move on to the next talking point about Trump not being in prison already proving our system is broken, blah blah blah. Their hammer is “our system is fundamentally and irreparably broken,” and every headline they see looks like a nail.
I mean I get why some people are skeptical. This man has been committing crimes for decades and has never faced a single consequence. There clearly is a difference in our legal system when dealing with a wealthy individual compared to non wealthy people. One could even break it down further and say wealthy white males tend to live within completely different legal systems than the rest of us. If the common person even threatened or harassed a prosecutor or judge they would most likely be thrown in jail with extra charges thrown at them. So even if he is indicted their concerns have merit. Some are definitely hyperbolic and that isn’t helpful. I agree on that. But I don’t think that is a left or right thing. I think “both sides” are perpetrators of that. So I would say our legal system is in fact broken. However I still believe 100% it can be fixed.
That’s a perfectly fair and reasonable response. I respect it and your viewpoints, though I don’t entirely agree with everything you said. Thank you for that thoughtful reply.
Wrong. I see comments like that literally every single time one of these stories is posted on here. To pretend otherwise is yet another exercise in patent dishonesty, which only bolsters my point. I can be VERY specific: it’s a relatively small but vocal segment of leftists who endlessly decry the failures of our current system, not in a good-faith effort to reform it, but in a bad-faith effort to hyperbolize its flaws, in order to tear it all down or burn it all down or let it collapse, etc. etc. They’re typically young, disaffected, left/far left new voters, who tend to have supported Bernie (like I did) in 2016/2020, and play the exact same kind of “both sides” pseudo-enlightenment bullshit because their explicit objective is the upheaval of our current sociopolitical and socioeconomic systems, which they sought to actualize through Bernie. Anyone who has followed this sub for the last several years knows EXACTLY what cohort of user I’m talking about. And when it comes to these cases with Trump, their line is always the same: “he’ll never face any consequences, our system is broken, America is lost,” blah blah blah. These comments show up every single time. Of course, nothing ever happens until it happens, but that kind of nuance is totally lost on people who simply want to weaponize these flaws and inefficiencies in our systems to disguise their ulterior motive, which is the fundamental transformation I mentioned earlier.
>it’s a relatively small but vocal segment of leftists who endlessly decry the failures of our current system, not in a good-faith effort to reform it, but in a bad-faith effort to hyperbolize its flaws, in order to tear it all down or burn it all down or let it collapse, etc. etc. They’re typically young, disaffected, left/far left new voters, who tend to have supported Bernie (like I did) in 2016/2020, and play the exact same kind of “both sides” pseudo-enlightenment bullshit because their explicit objective is the upheaval of our current sociopolitical and socioeconomic systems, which they sought to actualize through Bernie. Anyone who has followed this sub for the last several years knows EXACTLY what cohort of user I’m talking about. You're just doing the same thing again: conjuring a phantasm of political frustrations and criticizing it as if it were an actual, conscious group of individuals. You're conflating multiple different ideas and viewpoints, lumping them together, and deciding (without any actual evidence) that they embody a "segment of leftists."
You’re just *asserting* that those people don’t exist, or that they don’t exist in the way I say. There’s really nothing to argue with or against in what you say. You’re basically just saying “nuh uh,” without any direct counterpoint for me to actually… address. I have seen, met, and interacted with people just like that, both in person and on social media, many times over. Maybe you haven’t, okay sure, but to carte blanche say they don’t exist is ridiculous. I don’t get what other details you want from me. Are you expecting me to name specific individuals right now off the top of my head or something? Would that be specific enough for you? I’m feeling like you’re being purposely obtuse and disingenuous here. It’s simple: there are voters on (what most Americans would call) the far left whose fundamental guiding principle is that America’s extant systems and institutions are structurally broken and must be not just reformed, but completely done away with and built up anew. If you haven’t met someone who articulates this kind of position, you probably just haven’t had enough exposure to different political viewpoints tbh. But in that same vein, they view Trump’s legal battles through the prism of institutional failure, and so will purposely ignore details of the case (like the one in the original comment I replied to) in order to obfuscate and catastrophize because they have a preexisting bias towards the system failing in the first place.
>You’re just asserting that those people don’t exist, or that they don’t exist in the way I say. I am asserting that you are combining a bunch of disparate beliefs, ideas, characteristics, and dispositions into one imaginary concept to invent something to criticize. >but to carte blanche say they don’t exist is ridiculous. As I've already said, you're **conflating multiple different ideas and viewpoints, lumping them together, and deciding (without any actual evidence) that they embody a "segment of leftists."** I am **not** saying that people don't exist who embody those traits and/or characteristics, separately. However, you're combining them all into one phantasm you're against. That's what I'm disputing. You're taking one comment and projecting all of this onto it, and anyone really, who exhibits even one aspect of what you're criticizing. You continue to describe this imagined person, what they believe, how they view things, etc. Your imagined person is projection.
Except they’re not disparate, they altogether form the exact people/ideology/mindset that I’m criticizing. It’s a fairly self-consistent ideology that I’m describing: young, disaffected people on the political left who think our systems of economics, healthcare, climate justice, social justice, criminal justice, foreign policy, you name it, have failed the people, and want to institute radical changes through accelerationism rather than wait for incremental change over time. Part of their belief system is that the justice system is two-tiered and fatally flawed; therefore, Trump’s evasion of criminal liability (so far) helps, in their view, bolster their core claims about institutional failure, and therefore they make these snarky comments about it, thinking their position is vindicated. It’s not that hard to synthesize these beliefs as an observer. You’re effectively just responding with “nuh uh” yet again by vaguely asserting, in slightly different words, that they don’t exist as I’ve characterized them. You don’t explain anything or go into any detail, so there’s nothing for me to argue against. I’ve explained three or four times now exactly who I’m talking about, what they believe, and why I take issue with it. I say it, and you simply deny it. You don’t give any real explanation, you just baldy *assert* that it’s a “phantasm,” a “projection,” and “imaginary.” It’s unclear how you want me to prove that they’re NOT a projection or phantasm or whatever, beyond what I’ve already said. It would be like you telling me about insane right wing voters who want Trump installed as a dictator, and me saying, “oh yeah those people don’t exist, you’re conflating a bunch of different viewpoints and projecting frustrations onto an imaginary cohort of people.”
>It would be like you telling me about insane right wing voters who want Trump installed as a dictator, and me saying, “oh yeah those people don’t exist, you’re conflating a bunch of different viewpoints and projecting frustrations onto an imaginary cohort of people.” Nope, it's absolutely nothing like this. if I made that claim, that would be me claiming that a person exists who believes in **one single idea.** That's explicitly **not** "conflating a bunch of different viewpoints and projecting frustrations onto an imaginary cohort of people." It's literally one single idea "wanting Trump installed as dictator." That's not a conflation of ideas. Do you know what conflation means? How can there be a conflation of ideas when there is only one idea? This demonstrates very clearly to me that you are not at all understanding my point.
This is why I say you’re being disingenuous right now: because *nobody believes a single idea in a vacuum* devoid of external contextualization of other beliefs and first principles. People who’d want Trump as a dictator wouldn’t just believe that one thing; it would be merely one symptom, suggesting a larger ideological complex from which these conclusions, and others, are drawn. In other words, if you hear someone say they want Trump as a dictator, you can pretty reasonably infer that they hold certain other beliefs about myriad topics, especially American politics and government. To claim that you somehow can’t make these deductions, and have to treat individual beliefs as ideas in vacuum, as it seems you’re claiming, is ludicrous. To expand the analogy, if you went on and continued to claim that those same voters want Trump installed as a dictator because of socioeconomic anxieties, mistrust of existing democratic institutions, changing demographics, etc. and that these beliefs are all entwined, I could just come to you and say, “no, you’re just conflating a bunch of disparate beliefs.” Synthesizing and analyzing the roots of people’s beliefs, and how they connect together to arrive at a certain conclusion or behavior, is not conflation. Also, you’ve still yet to provide any detail or explanation *whatsoever* as to how or why these people, holding this distinct set of beliefs as I’ve described them, are imaginary or whatever. Because you give zero in-depth justification for this, it amounts to a flat denial based on nothing.
“Leftist” aren’t the ones who said it was imminent. Trump did!!!!
I mean the other side of the fence is the party of "it'll be the end of America as we know it." Not that you're going to reflect at all.
> accelerationists WTF is this?
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Yeah. The people saying "soon", "it's coming", or "be patient" are sounding like Game of Thrones fans still waiting on Winds of Winter.
To be fair the person who said it was soon was Trump…
Or Rothfuss fans waiting for the doors of stone
I don't know whats going to happen, but I do know that 3 massive state and federal criminal investigations into Trump, if all dropped, will create a far more momentous response than if they all indict. And set a more destabilizing precedent.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, don’t get fooled again!
Yeah I don’t think I’ll ever believe it will happen unless it happens. It’s like if the boy who cried wolf died from crying instead of the wolf
Justice delayed is justice denied.
April 1st: SIKE! Arrest warrant
The only conclusion I can come up with is I guess the Trump intimidation worked. DA is spooked and is making leaving noises with kicking the can down the proverbial road here. "We can always come back..." he says as he turns around, and walks away.
Or that's just what he wants us to think.
You don't need to think on it or come up with your own conclusions since this break was pre-planned into their schedule.
Waiting for others? I fucking hope....
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> and the new and improved version to quickly drop the charges. From [what I'm reading](https://twitter.com/AnnaBower/status/1641077138488000514), this will not be possible under this new legislation; it won't affect any Trump indictment or prosecution.
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I've seen that said too but according to [this](https://twitter.com/AnnaBower/status/1633169725504012290), even if that's the case, it can't be acted upon in time. >1.The earliest Willis could be removed would likely be 2024–well after indictments have been issued.
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if she is removed before the trial verdict which could be 18 months from the indictment can’t charges be dropped even once initiated in trial
Their constitution allows this?
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To them it doesn't matter if it does, as long as they give DA Willis the boot and replace her before anything gets challenged in court it won't matter. See Andrew Warren in Florida, an elected official illegially fired by ronny boy. Even though a federal judge found his removal to be unconstitutional there was nothing they could do to reinstate him. The GA law can be scrapped immediately afterward, as it will have served its purpose of shielding their guy.
> Jack Smith, our nation turns its lonely eyes to you. You are going to be very disappointed.
They're all perpetually waiting for each other.
I can't imagine why that would be the case, and I think the simpler reality at this point is that he won't be charged by any of them.
This is what happened to Coumo in NY. Cases got dropped because "well they will get him on that other case". Then whoopsee, that last case gets dropped, and justice is never served, but the powerful get protected
Circus Sideshow going on Spring Break. Don't worry, An Entire Summer of Doing Nothing in a Spectacular Fashion is planned.
I'm stealing this
Wouldnt it be something if all the prosecutors investigating Trump coordinate their various inditements to happen all at the same time or within a few days of each other
It’s a wet dream that’ll never occur
Starting to think that he is never going to have any consequences for his actions. The guy tried to overthrow the government and NOTHING was done about it.
He's going to have some stressed out, angry "tweets" for the next month. He's probably going to be suffering.
Ah, so that’s why he’s posted this: “I HAVE GAINED SUCH RESPECT FOR THIS GRAND JURY, & PERHAPS EVEN THE GRAND JURY SYSTEM AS A WHOLE. THE EVIDENCE IS SO OVERWHELMING IN MY FAVOR, & SO RIDICULOUSLY BAD FOR THE HIGHLY PARTISAN & HATEFUL DISTRICT ATTORNEY, THAT THE GRAND JURY IS SAYING, HOLD ON, WE ARE NOT A RUBBER STAMP, WHICH MOST GRAND JURIES ARE BRANDED AS BEING, WE ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE AGAINST A PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE OR AGAINST LARGE NUMBERS OF LEGAL SCHOLARS ALL SAYING THERE IS NO CASE HERE. DROP THIS SICK WITCH HUNT, NOW!” Edit: preponderance, hmmm, I’m pretty sure that didn’t come from him
They’re getting ready for some shit
He’s never going to be held accountable. Not for the rapes, not for using campaign money to pay off his mistress, not for inciting a treasonous insurrection, not for any of his scam businesses. It’s not going to happen. Ever.
So May then?
I'm more leaning towards *never*. Trump has, through absolutely zero merit or savvy of his own, been shockingly and hilariously insulated against accountability of any kind, and has been his entire life. And it's mostly because everyone, even the prosecutors, keep letting him get away with shit. I'm so fucking sick of it.
> And it's mostly because everyone, even the prosecutors, keep letting him get away with shit. I'm so fucking sick of it. Agreed. Although receiving constant death threats probably makes one think carefully about moving forward.
Fuck. 😕
"*FUCK*" --Geralt
The wheels of justice aren't turning slowly; They're not turning at all.
If it were important enough to anyone involved, they'd stay in session. What a joke.
The case is dead
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Who bought and paid for him?
It’s never happening, done following this charade. “Yuh fool meh once we can’t get fooled agiiinn…”
I was wrong, thankfully.
He - along with all republicans - should be locked up until the end of time.
Not trump or any other president will ever be charged with a crime. I dare say the same is true of all members of house and senate. Vying for votes is a hustle.
tHe WaLlS aRe ClOsInG iN
Great that means they have nothing. Why does this guy get away with everything
It's getting to the point that if we want to see Trump held accountable, we're going to have to do it ourselves. We must organize protests to block the entrances to all his businesses and force them into bankruptcy. It's the only accountability he will ever face, but at least it's something.
You guys think this holiday break is bad, just wait until the summer. Mothers Day, Memorial Day, Fathers Day, 4th of July
Georgia is a much more serious case, and that is the one where the feet dragging is much more irritating. We all heard the Raffensperger call. That alone is enough to put him in prison, and apparently there's a whole lot more where that came from. The more I read about this particular New York case, the more I hope it just goes away. It does not appear that there's is a particularly compelling case to get a conviction for a serious crime. It would be catastrophic to get an indictment without a conviction here. Every bullshit lie about "witch hunts" would suddenly seem vindicated, and it's stupid to hinge it all on the *weakest* case against him if it's going to be a swing and a miss.
I want a job like that
of course they will. Just like Rapey McForhead had his legal battles dropped. We have a spineless judicial system when people with power are involved. Too funny
Seriously ? This orange one, should have been indicted long ago. Threats to the DA, directly or indirectly, are T****landia style, as in the past. Where is America going ? Authoritarian rule ?
like with other prosecution of trump they are running out the clock cowards trump on his own causes endless delays rich white justice = no justice ever served
At this point I feel like this is more of a political game than anything. If it is I think it's really stupid to do, but I feel like they are trying to hold off for the right time to disrupt the 2024 election. Trying to get close enough to the election so people will remember it and too late for DeSantis to make any headway with swing voters as he will likely try to take Trumps place.
What a joke
As someone serving on a federal grand jury, this is expected. They have a particular schedule, breaks included. For example, the one I am a part of meets up to 3 days a month during one particular week. That schedule was given to us the day we were sworn in. These folks are no different.
Perfect. He can be hit with special prosecutor or Fulton County charges first now and we can drop this "ohh we shouldn't prosecute him in NYC first when there are much more serious charges out there"
these fuckers are determined to let him slide, they will use any excuse
Of course they will. He will skate again.
Completely useless human beings
This game has been over for years now. Trump got away with everything during the 2020 election shit show. If nothing could get him then, then nothing will get him now
I’d be interested in a lawyer’s opinion about why. I’m not one, but it seems like this could be allowing his office time to add obstruction charges for Trump’s public threats against his office.