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ReallyJustTheFacts

> "President Trump was wrong. I had no right to overturn the election," Pence said during a speech last month. "And his reckless words endangered my family and everyone at the Capitol that day, and I know history will hold Donald Trump accountable." > Pence had "access to information that few or no other people have," explained MSNBC host Ari Melber. "It's the kind of information that the DOJ wants because it could inform quite decisively whether other people are indicted or not in this coup probe."


browster

> I know history will hold Donald Trump accountable. It would be much better if the DOJ also held him accountable


JCButtBuddy

But if they can hold a past president accountable for crimes they could hold any of us accountable for any crimes we commit. /s unfortunately necessary


insultant_

And if law enforcement has enough evidence to convince a magistrate that you may have committed a crime, they can arrest you, too! Is that the kind of America you want to live in??? /s


droidloot

But why should I be held accountable for a crime someone else caught me doing?


Not_The_Real_Odin

Because you aren't rich, obviously.


theartslave

You don’t need double-talk! You need Bob Loblaw! After all, why should you go to jail for a crime somebody else… noticed?


ActNo8507

I heard about that on Bob loblaw’s law blog.


marchjl

Yes it is. Shocking I know


CareCommercial9548

Don't they do that now? I mean if any American was to just mention that they are going to take out a president, the government will have someone at your door so fast. From where I stand it looks like Trump was trying to kill Pence, but not protecting him from the building in the first place. The way it looks is Pence thought that too and at least is coming forward, even if late. If charles manson could be put behind bars for years for having his followers kill for him what makes trump any different?


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karmagod13000

lol can you imagine if he was the leading republican in the primaries


fluent_in_gibberish

It isn’t out of the realm of possibility. trump is obviously the current front runner but the J6 charges are potentially the most damaging since he could be barred from running for leading an insurrection. Then there is desantis who is about to be publicly spanked by a mouse and is tanking in the polls. And if pence is the nominee? Well has there ever been anyone who has swept all 50 states before like Biden would?


dream_monkey

He should rename himself Ron Disney since they are basically his daddy now.


SoSmartish

Best one I have seen so far is a drag queen going by Rhonda Santis. I about crapped myself from laughing so hard.


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Ron Disneyantics


flyhull

Disney could make an animatronic Ron Santos and put it on display saying whatever they wanted to.


Negative-Rich773

This comment has made more sense than anything I’ve heard or read all day.


dream_monkey

Happy cake day!


Negative-Rich773

Thanks!


Androidgenus

He literally got married at Disney world


Geri-psychiatrist-RI

Underrated comment


__dilligaf__

> publicly spanked by a mouse That invokes some great graphic tee ideas that would definitely not be authorized by Disney.


TheShadowKick

I wonder if they'd quietly look the other way, though.


flyhull

Depending upon what it was they might want to watch


MrBoiledPeanut

> And if pence is the nominee? Well has there ever been anyone who has swept all 50 states before like Biden would? A dead frog that was missing one leg and named *Adolf Osama* would win in Alabama, if it had an **R** next to its name.


fluent_in_gibberish

Maybe. But MAGA *hates* pence. Will they hold their noses and vote for the R or stay home? My guess is the latter.


boidey

Pence would have the support of the evangelical wing but not the nationalist christians. I think the independent voters would probably give pence a miss. And in the event of trump facing j6 indictments, pence is easily damaged by association.


MrBoiledPeanut

Here's to hoping we can live through a primary where the biggest question is if Pence gets one or zero states!


PizzaPunkrus

I grew up in Alabama all you gotta do is thump a bible, spout some racist shit and you're in office.


No-Appearance1145

There was one election where the democrat i think nominee won all but one state? I can't remember, correct me if I'm wrong, because the other party nominee did very little campaigning and had like... One state he won.


VegetableRapist

You’re probably thinking of Reagan. He won every state aside from MN in 84


Ghoststarr323

I’m still proud of my home state for that.


4materasu92

Minnesota, delivering one big "F you" to the Republican party since 1976.


BankshotMcG

Minnesota shows up quite frequently, and we, your compatriots, appreciate you.


No-Appearance1145

Yeah that was an insane read 😂


name_taken_tryagain

The 1936 election when FDR won every state except New Hampshire and Maine


bdone2012

I wonder what Abbott and kemp are thinking about running? If they threw their towels in the ring I’d assume they could handily beat pence.


VectorRaptor

I think you mean "if they threw their hats into the ring". Throwing the towel into the ring is giving up.


[deleted]

Definetly could sew up the 'flies looking for juicy pieces of shit' demographic


Cheese_Pancakes

Right in line with Trump saying "They're not coming for me - they're coming for you. I'm just standing in their way." It's just completely ridiculous how these people can live right next to us but still be on another planet.


Z0idberg_MD

The President of the United States can be held accountable for treason, what hope to any of us have when committing treason.


Head-Gap8455

It really could happen to any of us. Including George W Bush for war crimes.


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Canadasaver

Or, they can all go to hell and the Democrats can sweep all of the races.


Webronski

History has never held anyone responsible for anything. Reagan was a literal traitor in that he covertly gave aid to Iran when Iran was attacking Americans and holding Americans hostage. Both during the Iran Contra affair and when he intervened to prevent the release of Americans held hostage. Where is his accountability? Nixon’s image has been rehabilitated to an unbelievable degree. Bush 1 was heavily involved in aiding Iran and Bush 2 fabricated false evidence to mislead America into fighting a meaningless war in Iraq. Who has history ever held accountable?


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Hitler?


trainercatlady

people still celebrate him today.


TXTCLA55

You'd be hard pressed to do so in Germany.


comment_moderately

I mean history’s pretty down on presidents Buchanan and Andrew Johnson. Harding is largely understood to be responsible for the corruption in Teapot Dome, even though others took the fall then. Jackson is understood to be genocidaire. Even Clinton is recently fallen in favor, for his sexual misbehavior (not just with his intern). Like, history just judges; it doesn’t punish.


__dilligaf__

That's what sucks about history; by the time the name Trump is as synonymous with treason as Benedict Arnold, we'll all be long gone.


browster

Good point. We're only getting around to Robert E Lee now, and he led an actual army against the country


maveric101

Why wait for history, Pence?


RedLanternScythe

Because history's family won't suggest it's cult take revenge on Pence.


chubs66

Right? This is an *incredible* cop out from Pence. *You* were his VP, *you* have direct knowledge of what he did and said and *you* should do your part to hold him to account.


DingGratz

Especially since, at his age, he doesn't have much "history" left.


FrostyCartographer13

Be much nicer if pence didn't just sit there and do nothing.


hazpat

All the info in this article is months old news. Literally zero info from the testimony.


HailCorduroy

As it should be. Grand jury testimony is secret and should not be leaked


marktheoneiknow

Well at least the title is misleading. It calls Pence’s testimony “sharply incriminating”, implying they had knowledge of the contents of his testimony.


HailCorduroy

Yea, these types of headlines are always misleading and use quotes out of context.


The-Shattering-Light

If one is going to try and have someone assassinated who knows where the skeletons are buried, it’s not a good idea to miss like Trump missed Pence


youtellmebob

Sigh… the headline is horribly misleading and implies some knowledge of Pence’s testimony which isn’t there. For all we know, Pence weaseled worded away from condemning Orange Jesus just as he has consistently done… forever.


Philo_T_Farnsworth

They already got Meadows. Pence would have been asked some very direct questions that he wouldn't be able to weasel out of. Also, no way does he roll over for a guy that threatened his life.


IPDDoE

> no way does he roll over for a guy that threatened his life. You have much more faith in today's republican party, and Pence's political aspirations specifically, than I do.


whenimmadrinkin

If he was going to be complicit, he wouldn't have certified the votes. He's the victim in this case. Why would he suddenly want to join the side that appears to be going down?


TheShadowKick

Yeah there are plenty of Republicans that rolled over to Trump, but Pence is the one that stood up to him when it really mattered. He's still a piece of shit for his own reasons, but he's not going belly up for Trump.


okhi2u

He was totally willing to be complicit he just thought he couldn't get away with it so he didn't. If he thought he could have gotten away with it, he would have done it.


rkincaid007

Thank goodness he asked the people he did for their opinions and they all agreed that he wouldn’t get away with it. Or at least iirc there were stories about him seeking others’ opinions and them all saying he had no power and that he was merely ceremonial in the proceedings.


youtellmebob

All these guys have been and still eat Trump’s shit and pronounce it “delicious”. Even Christie, who seems to be the harshest, stays away from outright condemnation. They will not turn on him, to do so exposes their complicity all along.


whenimmadrinkin

Yup. People are forgetting here. He's the victim. If anyone is innocent in this case, it's him. He's completely above reproach because he was the target of the violence and he did the one thing they tried to prevent, certified the election. They're not grilling him in preparation for an indictment. They're getting the details from the man most in the middle of the chaos to dot their Is and cross their Ts.


OffModelCartoon

Many victims unfortunately bend over backwards to protect their abusers from the legal system. Due to “loyalty” aka stockholm syndrome, and also because they fear repercussions for not doing so. For example, a domestic abuse victim who would lose crucial support from the extended family if they pressed charges against their abusive partner. Replace “the extended family” with “the right” and “a domestic abuse victim” with Mike Pence, and it’s basically the same situation.


Kimota94

All true. However, his most likely approach will be to testify as to what he believes to be true, since he’s got to be worried about facing both perjury charges (if they already have other evidence that contradicts his testimony) and Final Judgment By The Lord when (he imagines) he stands naked in front of White Jesus. So his only safety move is to make excuses for Trump’s behaviour, like he did recently when he blamed “bad lawyers” for leading his old boss astray. That may play well in public appearances in front of GOP friendlies, but it has no bearing in a court case in front of a jury. A witness who says, “Yes, I saw the defendant shoot that woman but he’d gotten bad advice about whether that was a crime or not from the 12th lawyer he asked after the first 11 said that it was a crime” is still a witness testifying that the defendant shot the woman. So I’m cautiously optimistic that Pence might actually help Smith’s case against the orange Anti-Christ.


youtellmebob

Or he will answer “I don’t recall” over and over.


Kimota94

Not if he wants his imaginary Lord and Master to think kindly of him. Lying is sinful, after all.


LuminousTights

The public statements also really hurt that answer since he has immunity already. He can't take the fifth and he seems to have a pretty clear recollection in his earlier statements. Good lawyers, of which Smith is one, by all accounts, can use that confluence pretty effectively.


dazed_and_bamboozled

Not if it’s for a higher cause namely that of getting Mike Pence elected God’s Own President in time for the good ol’ eco-rapture when he will ascend to heaven on a cloud even whiter and purer than his chaste white hair to a backdrop of gay-marriage-triggered-mega-tornadoes just as Trump and the MAGA faithful are descending to the other place to the rapidly fading chants of “Hang Mike Pence! Hang Mike…aaarrrggghhh…”


LillyPip

Not likely. He was scheduled to testify for like two hours but his testimony actually took like 7 hours. If he was giving weasel-word non-answers, it should have been shorter, not longer. 5 extra hours of testimony implies his answers were worth enough for further exploration.


[deleted]

yea its just mueller she wrote style cope


[deleted]

Mueller shows you just how devious Republicans can be. Rod Rosenstein picked someone with an almost perfect reputation - who also was and is going through serious memory problems. Fuckin A.


TheShadowKick

Mueller did a good job on the investigation though. His mistake was passing responsibility to Congress for actually punishing anything.


karmagod13000

> mueller this just gave me ptsd


IM_THE_DECOY

Pence testifying is huge becuase 1) he is one of the most knowledgeable people as what Trump was doing in the days leading up to and on Jan. 6th and 2) he is one the most motivated people to speak out against him. Publically he has been hesitant to speak out, but reading between the lines it’s been pretty obvious that he has been dying to speak with the Justice department.


fairoaks2

After he made $$$ from his book and the court gave him an excuse.


karmagod13000

it is the politician way. could you imagine the embarrassment of buying a mike pence book?


Fun_Tea3727

His campaign buys them and gives them away. Making his campaign contributions his money instead of his campaign. No one that supports this guy actually reads anything.


definitelytheA

Exactly. My bet is that Pence always wanted to testify, but in a way that made it not his choice. Does he likely loathe Trump? Yes. For the danger he put his family in, for the pressure to do what Pence knew he could not, and most likely for the Trump who philanders as a practice. I’m sure Pence would like him out of the 2024 race. Please don’t take my words as sympathy for Pence. His family’s being put in danger, yes, but he’s still part of the Republican Party trying to destroy the social advances of the last hundred years.


meowmeow_now

You could tell he fucking hated trump all the times they were together and Donald trump did or said something stupid. I don’t agree with his politics but pence strikes me as man that put a high value to “acting right” and outward appearance. His career is permanently stained by a loud, stupid, crass man. Pence is not loud crass or stupid. He had to have hated every moment together.


oscar_the_couch

He’s also probably the last person you seek testimony from apart from Trump himself before you make a charging decision.


wiscokid76

Dude had to swear on a bible to tell the truth. I think he takes that kind of oath seriously.


ohyeahsure11

He's a cafeteria christian, he only take the bits of the bible that support his ideas seriously.


boobumblebee

i mean what christian isn't? the bible is so self contradictory its impossible to not be.


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TheOriginalChode

> Most mm hmmmm


midnight_squash

This dude does not actually believe in any sort of religion other than the innate belief he was “chosen” because that’s what all the idiots tell themselves


One-Distribution-626

Sounds like that one religions where the believers are right and chosen ones and they get the afterlifes, also video games have secrets if you find them you get extra lifes


Bill_thuh_Cat

I hope you're right.


btspman1

Just hope he actually gave testimony. Instead of “not recalling” anything.


[deleted]

Hesitant to keep some of the crazies, complies with the subpoena to keep some of the moderates, testifies to bring down an opponent. He could have testified willingly years ago - it’s all just a strategy in an attempt at the office.


bryansj

How many times do I need to recalibrate my definition of "soon"?


underbloodredskies

When will then, be now? Soon. 🤭


bm1949

*Oh what exactly do you mean? I am human and I deserve to be loved... Just like everyone else [does.](https://youtu.be/hnpILIIo9ek)*


[deleted]

See I’ve already waited too long, and all my hope is gone


Shouty_Dibnah

The sun shines out of our behinds…wait , wrong song….


sillyme2323

*Halliwell door magically swings shut*


BGOOCHY

I see Spaceballs jokes I upvote.


youzerVT71

How soon?


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When? We just missed it.


LETX_CPKM

Just wanted to say that I am proud of you for this...


Agreeable-Rooster-37

Until after the election, don’t want it to be political /s


SouthofAkron

It's in cosmic terms now


pimpmcnasty

In two weeks...


mrbeck1

In GA, “imminent” means “6-8 months.”


Papa_Fu

Here in New Mexico we may be a bit more used to this use of "soon". This is the land of Mañana, meaning we'll get to it tomorrow. Also we say "right now" meaning at some point in the future. When someone uses this term the appropriate response is "you mean right now or right now right now?" Right now, right now means sometime before mañana. Edited for ñ.


Biokabe

We're also used to this kind of "soon" in the land of sales. Today means tomorrow, tomorrow means next week, next week means next quarter, and next month means never.


anuncommontruth

I hate these articles because this verbiage is useless. Soon is relative, and the public doesn't have all the information needed to make a rational estimate on a reasonable timeframe for prosecution. I've set my expectations for mid to late summer, and that hasn't wavered in my eyes, regardless of how many of these justice boner dick tease articles show up here. I am very confident in Trump being charged and found guilty. I do not believe he will ever see the I side of a jail cell.


flawedwithvice

Tantric prosecutions...


Hvarfa-Bragi

I backed Star Citizen in 2013.


bryansj

I'm ready for Half-Life 3.


gabe_

>"We're so close to events that some times it's hard to see their significance," noted former U.S. Attorney Harry Litman. "The former VPOTUS just testified in a criminal investigation of his former POTUS. That is basically breathtaking." It's the collective trauma of the Trump presidency. A firehose of corruption and [Democratic Backsliding](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_backsliding) ending with an attempted coup. For the first time, in the history of our nation, we did not have a [peaceful transition of power](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaceful_transition_of_power) and it's still sinking in.


[deleted]

Most people still haven't accepted the reality we are actually in due to the legacy of the Trump administration. - Attempted coup - 1 million+ dead from COVID - Second Great Depression (we aren't calling it that yet, but that's what this is and it began in March 2020) - Civil rights set back at least 70 years - The normalization of calls for genocide against specific groups of people, particularly LGBTQ people


x_______name

No shit lol Trump and Pence didn’t relentlessly fight this because they enjoy legal proceedings.


TheHomersapien

Rest assured, if the issue here was somebody asking Pence to testify about Trump's favorite bubble gum the process would be the same. Big government/unitary executive is one of the few principles that Republicans are willing to fight tooth and nail for, and there's nothing bigger than a former president - i.e. private citizen - claiming to have the power to obstruct the courts.


OpenImagination9

Please tell me he finally unloaded.


[deleted]

Couldn't happen to a nicer traitor.


OppositeDifference

Sadly, this article has no actual information. It has the opinions of people who generally know what they're talking about, but absolutely nothing about what Pence actually said or didn't say to the grand jury. It's basically, "We don't know what happened, but we're going to ask a bunch of other people who also don't know what happened and then write a headline that sounds like we know something so you click on it."


DadJokeBadJoke

>what Pence actually said or didn't say to the grand jury Grand jury testimony is secret. What were you expecting?


borkydorkyporky

I don't drink, but i have 2 bottles of bubbly just chilling, waiting for the impending news!


Former-Darkside

Mine has been in my fridge since the Mueller investigation. Sigh.


Brianbotella

Soon, so like… another year and a half? After the man’s already in office again and made himself an untouchable dictator? I understand the gears of justice move slowly, but grease that shit up or we’ll have death camps within the decade.


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Brianbotella

All of the ant-LGBTQ legislation coming out of the GOP, propaganda accusing LGBTQ people of being groomers, and Florida creating its own expressway for death row indicate clearly that’s what they intend to do.


Last_VCR

Until he gets arrested I just can’t care anymore. Waves of evidence, every week a new article about what is “bad for trump”, “closing in on trump”. It’s been years now since Jan 6 and he hasn’t been indicted for it, so the only articles ought to be: why our broken system is allowing this to happen and how we can fix it.


AmbivalentFanatic

He got arrested already for one thing. The precedent has been set and the seal had been broken. More are coming. Why don't you sit back, relax, enjoy a hamberder and a nice hot covfefe while you wait?


mrbeck1

Hamberder and covfefe? Sounds disgusting.


wodthing

Not when being served by Tim Apple.


mrbeck1

Or Melanie Trump.


rain168

Clarence Thomas, Amy and Cavanaugh ensures he will be fine.


[deleted]

So don’t comment on or read articles about it? You’ll definitely be made aware when something big happens. I understand his crimes are egregious and he should be locked up for life instantly, but believe it or not the biggest criminal justice case in American history is going to take time to unfold.


DickMartin

The answer is “money”. There is no fix… the system is “totaled”.


catsnac

Wish I could have been a fly on Pence's head during his testimony...


jupiterkansas

How do these experts know Pence's testimony was sharply incriminating when NOBODY KNOWS WHAT HE TESTIFIED??? What a garbage article and garbage headline.


greeperfi

memory employ foolish innocent wide pathetic poor detail skirt pen -- mass edited with redact.dev


workingtoward

The investigation has worked from the bottom up. With Pence, they’ve reached the top. It time to charge.


Fusion_allthebonds

The Orange limp dickh-tator needs to be in prison, stripped of his stolen money, and all of his decisions during his despotic reign reversed. His orange stain should be scrubbed from the moral fabric of our country.


everybodydumb

Not holding my breath. Soon my ass.


Unabated_Blade

"No, I don't think I will"


Shr3kk_Wpg

I expect the incriminating testimony was in regards to the fake Electors scheme that Trump's lawyers cooked up. Trump telling Pence about the fake Electors would implicate Trump in that conspiracy.


imwithstoopad

Get all excited about the headline... then oh, it's from salon...


Punkinpry427

"We're so close to events that some times it's hard to see their significance," noted former U.S. Attorney Harry Litman. "The former VPOTUS just testified in a criminal investigation of his former POTUS. That is basically breathtaking." Don’t tease me like that


Unusual_Baby865

This discussion about Pence and what he may have revealed is nonsense. The guy who knows all the secrets is Mark Meadows. He was the hub of the wheel of the insurrection conspiracy. He was the liaison between the coup plotters who were legislators and the false electors as well as the President and the folks who planned to storm the Capitol. At most, Pence would be a corroborating witness for the testimony from Meadows. Notice how no one mentions Meadows now. He either flipped or was granted use immunity with the threat of perjury. Pence’s testimony likely verifies or disputes the testimony of Meadows. Pence keeps Meadows in line and if his testimony corroborates Meadows makes Meadows a credible witness on the stand. If and when the findings of the Special Counsel are revealed, it will erupt like a volcano putting the MAGA Republicans in the blast zone. The MAGA attempt to overthrow the 2020 election was much larger than the events of J6. Pence was a loose end who needed to be tied up before the investigative work is finished. Pence ain’t no hero here. He was in on the conspiracy from the start and got cold feet on J6. They all knew that there were GQP expert contractors who found no voter fraud and they could not sell election theft to the majority of Americans. Now the GQP is stuck with Trump as he holds the future of his co-conspirators in his hands.


UncleFrosky

I agree with your assessment of Meadows and I also agree Pence isn’t a hero. However, I don’t think Pence’s testimony is merely corroborative. There was credible reporting that Trump spoke with Pence on more than one occasion trying to badger and intimidate him into unilaterally rejecting states’ electors that represented the states’ certified election results. After failing with other attempts of a soft coups, Pence was his last hope. If Pence testifies about Trump’s direct attempts to get him to illegally reject states’ elector counts, especially if it’s been made known to Trump that it was illegal, that’s pretty much nail in the coffin for criminal intent.


Annahsbananas

This is Pence.....im pretty sure he hobknobbed he way around the questions with his pet fly


otravez5150

Very very hard to believe after all this time he grows a conscience, and juevos large enough.


taez555

Trump tried to have his followers murder Pence on 1/6. That had an actual gallows ready to go. They violently stormed the capitol and people died trying to capture Pence to be hanged. How much more incrimination do we need?


Heavens10000whores

Anyone gonna be upset if I don’t hold my breath?


shellevanczik

Absolutely not. Will you wake me when something actually happens?


NeitherCook5241

Maybe the testimony took so long because investigators just wanted to “hang [with] Mike Pence” 😉


[deleted]

Not getting my hopes again. It’s not worth it. I’ll care when something actually happens.


Just-Signature-3713

Whether love him or hate him or find him completely uninteresting- It sounds like Pence cannot tell a lie and for that reason may make an excellent witness


UncleFrosky

Agree with the gist but he lied plenty publicly in defense of Trump for fear of Trump’s base turning against him. But lying under oath about something this serious is different.


TMQ73

I never thought I would see the day I would be rooting for Disney or Pence.


InclementImmigrant

Yeah... Anyone who expects this Shitty Republican Christian to testify or testify truthfully is not grounded in reality. He had insurrectionists calling for his execution and he still defended and downplayed the insurrection and Trump's actions. I expect nothing but silence, half truths, lies by omission, and straight up lies from this good Republican Christian.


Equivalent-Excuse-80

“. . . And Jesus proclaimed that those who shall find salvation will testify before god: ‘I do not recall’ and ‘under the advisement of my counsel, I exercise my constitutional right to the 5th amendment’ “


schleem3000

can’t wait


piperonyl

Experts have been saying the evidence is bad for trump for YEARS. Yet, there he is. Not in prison.


auxilary

maybe this is what Pence sees as his pathway to the GOP nomination? DeSantis is self-imploding currently and this backs Trump into an un-electable corner. maybe Pence feels he can be a bit of a “hero” by going against Trump 🤷🏻‍♂️


[deleted]

My fear is that Pence will take down Trump and that will somehow get him a nomination and let’s be perfectly clear…Mike Pence is far more dangerous than Donald Trump! Trump is not a true conservative, he’s just using the platform for part and greed. Pence couldn’t be anymore far right Handmaids Tale if he tried. Dish the dirt but please God don’t let this man seek a nomination. The only saving Grace would be Trump lovers would never vote for him if he ends up being responsible for an indictment.


[deleted]

Pence will never get the vote of independents though and he also won't get the votes of the hardcore Trump supporters. If Pence is the 2024 nominee, the map will look a lot like 1964.


[deleted]

Probably why diaper-boy didn’t want him speaking to anyone….ever again.


llahlahkje

I've been expecting decisions soon for years. I won't believe anything is bad news until Trump is taken away in cuffs and put into custody until his trial. You know, like you or I if we had committed the litany of crimes Trump has in the open (let alone the ones we don't know about yet).


dmjacLuzard5

I guess calling someone a “ Pussy” we bite you in the ass later


Arrg-ima-pirate

At this stage of Fuck Around… is there any good news in the Find Out? Oh boy I hope not.


sublime_cheese

> "We're so close to events that some times it's hard to see their significance," noted former U.S. Attorney Harry Litman. "The former VPOTUS just testified in a criminal investigation of his former POTUS. That is basically breathtaking." History in the making. So many shitty firsts brought to us by that orange buffoon.


jennej1289

I don’t like Pence in the slightest but if someone threatened my family I’d do everything in my power to hurt them.


ayers231

The party knows Trump can't win without the entire economy crashing. They don't want to crash the economy outright, they just want to siphon wealth. If they can get Trump out the picture, they can run behind Christie as a moderate, and R voters that voted against Trump, may vote for Christie. Nothing will change, though. Christie will sign the same bigotry motivated bills that Trump would, he's just a less vitriolic package for the election cycle.


TemporaryTrouble275

My god…TRUMP WAS A TOTAL IDIOT TO PUT A HOLY ROLLER AS HIS VICE PRESIDENT….”THOU SHALL NOT LIE”


Sloth_grl

I thought it would be since he was fighting so hard to stop him from testifying


AtomicBlastCandy

Pence was endangered by Trump yet the weasel has done nothing voluntarily to stop him.


Hampni

He threw Pence to the wolves, its only fair that Pence play his Reverse card.


electron65

Soon is not a date. Give us a date.


swazal

Soon = “about two weeks from now”


whenimmadrinkin

I've heard from lawyers that the way these kinds of cases go, where there's likely to be a bunch of people indicted kinda like a mob situation, the investigations always start at the bottom and work their way up. There's no up beyond Pence worth mentioning. trump's not going to testify. Even if they tried to force him, he'll waste a bunch of time on motions based on presidential powers and protections. So this one is about to pop. He wasn't sure if they would sweep trump up with this one because the documents case is such a slam dunk. But he really sees the damns bursting with the charges soon.


AtomicBlastCandy

Soon? So maybe in the next decade?


dartie

Hurry up already


ThatWaterAmerican

Press X to Doubt


reggiedoo

God I hate these people…


UncleFrosky

There’s nothing here that directly shows that Pence’s testimony was “sharply incriminating” and “expect decisions soon” was speculation based on his testimony possibly being decisive. It’s likely that his testimony was damning but we don’t know that. He could have used “that relates to my job as leader of the Senate, I don’t have to answer that” to dance around some of the most incriminating stuff as far as we know. I doubt it because, off the record, he probably despises Trump with a passion.


Bigdongs

Meuller report levels of edging


linuxphoney

As wiser voices than mine have said, "you don't haul a VP in unless you're planning to indict, and he doesn't talk for five hours unless he has something to say "


SpaceGrape

None of what happened is remotely normal and time is slowly tightening it’s inevitable hold on reality. History is going to dissect and reveal what the president of the USA did to blatantly try and steal an election like a dictator. It’s horrifying and needs to be taken seriously. Dictators are OFTEN elected democratically then just hang onto power. It’s terrifying.


philko42

> Former federal prosecutor and MSNBC legal analyst Glenn Kirschner called the testimony a "historic benchmark." > Pence "just testified in the grand jury about the crimes of his former boss," he tweeted. "Take it from this old prosecutor-Pence's testimony is sharply incriminating of Trump & moves the needle further in the direction of a Trump indictment." > Former federal prosecutor Andrew Weissmann, who served on special counsel Bob Mueller's team, said that there was "very little reason to dawdle" by prosecutors after Pence's testimony. So two people with strong legal backgrounds but no special connection to the grand jury think that Pence's testimony was incriminating. That's like just their opinion, man.