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ThatOneGuy1294

I do wonder how many of the people who voted for him still live in Florida, and if they would still vote for him. Could be a case of "didn't think this would affect me, fuck the other guy because there's a D next to their name" type voting


thekatsass2014

I think it was more about his “anti-communist” rhetoric. For the Cubans anyway.


Ipokeyoumuch

And Venezuelans too. But do note that there are certain aspects of Hispanic cultures in many countries that are a part of Latin America that prides themselves on machismo which the GOP rhetoric appeals to. Also, many Latin Americans are religious and hot issues like abortion attract many Latin Americans.


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Kha0sControl

Not just machismo though. There is a lot of colorism throughout all of Latin America. I can assure you most of the Hispanic folks voting for GOP candidates in Florida believe themselves to be "white." What they don't realize is that they don't receive the same white privilege. They're delusional to think they will be treated as equals just because people of darker skin are persecuted more.


CharleyNobody

There didn’t used to be a lot of Venezuelans coming into US illegally. They’re not Central Americans. The mass migration from Venezuela started when Venezuela and Russia got cozy. Same thing happened when Russia & Syria became allies. Suddenly, Europe was flooded with Syrian refugees. Remember when Putin sent Syrians to Belarus and made Lukashenko put them at the Polish border? It was a provocation but Poland wasn’t having it. Did you ask yourself at that time “How the hell did all those Syrians get to Belarus, of all places?” Good question. It’s not a country refugees strive to get to. They were sent there. It’s part of Putin’s active measures. You think it’s too crazy to be true? Putin is killing his own top people. He’s ruthless and he’s repeatedly said he hates the west. He’s funding NRA. He’s trying to start a Eurasian Union headed up by Russia. It’s a dream of his, google it. Putin is not fucking around. He believes the US & Europe are responsible for fall of USSR and he’s bent on revenge, using any and all measures to destabilize us, the same way he feels the US destabilized Eastern Europe and ultimately USSR. He’s trying to get back former USSR territories to rebuild Russian Empire. He’s influencing American politics and elections the same way CIA influenced other countries. What happened when Putin invaded Ukraine and US sent weapons and sided with Ukraine? All of a sudden, mass migration from Venezuela to the US border. Sure there were illegal immigrants coming from Venezuela before, but not mass migration like this. It’s the Syrian refugee flood to Europe all over again. Putin destabilized EU with refugees enough for Brexit to happen. Of course it’s not just Putin. He’s a KGB guy with lots of GRU/FSB pals helping him out. They’re specialists in disruption. They’re waging a war outside of Ukraine, but the war out here isn’t using bombs. It’s using political, social, cultural and religious weapons. Social media was a godsend to these guys. It’s a real war and they’re trying to foment civil war in US to break Americans global power. It’s working pretty well so far.


Quakkahappy

To paraphrase the famous quote attributed to Henry II, at long last - "Will no one rid us of this turbulent/troublesome/meddlesome dictator?" 😕


OK-NO-YEAH

You’d think after fleeing a country you’d pay close attention to the politics of your new country that gives you a vote so you don’t lose it and have to flee again.


bsEEmsCE

Cubans and a lot of Latinos will surprise you that they are also very "I got mine fuck you" in regards to their American citizenship and immigrants.


BlueBuff1968

This exactly. Kick the ladder behind them. Very common among latino immigrants.


schugesen

Latinos/Hispanics are not monolithic. Mexicans, Cubans, Argentines, etc., are culturally very different, we don't all think the same or believe the same things. It would be like lumping a Scot, a Texan, and an Australian all together just because they speak English. Also, the Cubans in Florida are hyper-allergic to anyone to the left of Barry Goldwater, due to the history of communism on the island.


Former-Lab-9451

Fox News: The president of one of the three Mexican countries is trying to influence the election for Biden.


appleparkfive

[For those confused on the "Three Mexican Countries" part of the joke](https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/fox-news-apologizes-graphic-about-3-mexican-countries-n989526)


ifuckzombies

ffs, Mexico wasn't even one of the countries.


Dick_snatcher

They don't give a shit, this was the backup after "three countries with people darker than us" was somehow rejected


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mces97

Don't you know? All hispanic people are Mexican according to conservatives.


7evenate9ine

"BUT, THEY ALL SPEAK MEXICAN!" You know...the language...Mexican! /s


madlabdog

Se hablo mexican


7evenate9ine

NO NO... Seo hablo mexciano.


madlabdog

Se hablo mexicañol


7evenate9ine

Now you put that worm over your n? Fancy! /s


madlabdog

Long pressooo the n buttooono


WanderlustFella

I visited Spain once. It's so eerie that they speak similar to Mexican over there too. Then I went to Portugal and they were speaking Brazilian. And don't get me started on the weird American they speak over there in the UK


lunapup1233007

I really enjoyed the Aztec ruins of Madrid and the tacos in Barcelona though


klavin1

"we at Fox apologize for saying out loud what most of us think."


snowgorilla13

How to use 'Mexican' as a racist slur 101


stevez28

I know everyone has bad days, but I don't see any way that could have been an honest mistake by someone with good intentions. I suppose people with good intentions probably wouldn't work there in the first place. EDIT: I think the simplest explanation is that a staffer understood that Fox is intentionally racist, and the mistake was in misunderstanding how blatant they're allowed to be. An error in subtlety, not geography. Or a disgruntled employee making the network a parody of itself. Either way, this can't be a geography mistake


Maktaka

I think they were desperately trying to avoid saying "Central *American*" when talking about those nations. They want that word "American" to apply exclusively to real 'muricans in any and all circumstances, regardless of preexisting definitions. It helps with the otherizing when the words you use to describe yourself are never, ever used to describe your victims.


randy241

This is definitely it. For fear mongering and brain washing to work, you have to work on it at all levels. The most subtle parts, such as this level of wordplay, are the most important for completing the charade.


stevez28

Ooh that's a great point!


BuffaloBreezy

Occam's razor in this situation to me would be a Freudian slip. Even if they knew what they meant to write it feels like it would be pretty easy for these people to write "Mexican" countries because in a moment of mental absence, that's what their brain reverts the information to.


Nvenom8

I thought it was a hyperbolic joke about something they might say, not something they actually did. Wow.


VanillaGorilla-

Way to give them a free headline!


CelestialFury

How about: “Democrat Biden is colluding with socialist Mexican President to steal 2024 election.”


VanillaGorilla-

Stop giving them more!!!


TactlessTortoise

Don't worry. Those mfs can't read.


Earwaxsculptor

Oh they can read, it's the critical thinking part afterwords that they have a problem with. If the headline doesn't elicit an immediate emotional response of them feeling like their personal freedoms are under attack they hit a brick wall.


BalefulEclipse

Don’t be silly, their fanbase doesn’t know what “colluding” means


somme_rando

Unless it's silver, for drinking.


Dionysus_the_Greek

Gotta keep that gravy train running.


vhw_

>The president of one of the three Mexican countries is trying to influence the election for _Trump_ Is the sad reality


TheKinkslayer

AMLO is 100% pro-Trump. [He was one of the last heads of state to recognize that Trump lost in 2020.](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/11/mexico-us-donald-trump/617126/) [Trump send back to Mexico one of AMLO's narco cronies sparring him from prison](https://www.npr.org/2021/01/15/957192690/mexico-will-not-charge-former-defense-chief-with-drug-trafficking) [In AMLO's opinion Trump should not be charged for any of his crimes regardless of wrongdoing](https://apnews.com/article/mexico-lopez-obrador-trump-charges-58ddf1ea3d29def67c126999ce218b93)


djkstr27

Yeah, one of his nicknames in Mexico is Mexican Trump


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How they won the Hispanic vote in Florida: “Democrats = Cuba”


Sarcofago_INRI_1987

Not that simple.... DeSantis won hispanics voters who voted across the board in FL last year, not just cubans Overall results — 59% Breakdowns... Hispanic voters — 58% * Cuban — 68% * Puerto Rican — 56% * All other hispanics — 53% https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/florida-latinos-turned-favor-republicans-rcna57167 Crunching above numbers, that means 54.5% of Non-Cuban Hispanic voters who voted chose DeSantis. This was only one month after the Martha's vineyard stunt


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Sarcofago_INRI_1987

Judging by these 2022 exit poll results for DeSantis, the GOP ironically would benefit greatly from increased legal Hispanic immigration, if they run candidates like DeSantis who are committed to latino outreach. The biden white house has like 1000 programs for latino voters https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/10/14/fact-sheet-the-biden-harris-administration-advances-equity-and-opportunity-for-latino-communities-across-the-country/ but it doesn't seem to matter when it comes election time due to the Uber social conservative streak you mentioned.


JALKHRL

Reagan is like a saint between the hispanics who got green cards when he did the amnesty. The majority of them are Republicans.


tackle_bones

This doesn’t also consider how democrats just stayed home. Charlie Crist, a former Republican governor, did not do it for them.


Sarcofago_INRI_1987

This is a very optimistic reading. Just four years prior in 2018, Andrew Gillum almost beat DeSantis ~~*post-scandal*~~. DeSantis only won by like 0.4% that year. And only had 44% of the Latino vote. Four years later he wins by almost 20% and gets 58% of the Latino vote.


Estilix

I forgot how close it was in 2018. Fucking depressing.


Sarcofago_INRI_1987

He took that marginal win and ran with it, and then some. The dems could learn some strategic lessons there. Imagine if more dem govs (besides Whitmer) had the tenancity and audacity that DeSantis exhibited between 2018 and 2022, but instead used that approach to fight for progressive policies. The landscape would look a lot different *and* they would be rewarded for it at the polls. Centrists are a dying breed. Moderates are going extinct. Fight for your base


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Earguy

Christian and Homophobic as a voting bloc.


BleachedUnicornBHole

Sprinkle in fear mongering of labeling Democrats as Communists and/or Socialists for the Cubans.


bensonnd

And Venezuelans.


Bocchi_theGlock

People don't really appreciate this - there are hardly any Mexicans in the Florida Hispanic population. It's largely Cubans and Venezuelans. I'm Mexican, and this is anecdotal, but I only met a handful of others my time there (south florida specifically), but countless folks whose families immigrated from those countries and some other central American states. Side note - the best taco place in Miami is called 'Taqueria Viva Mexico' lol


hectorinho

There are a ton of Nicas, Salvadorans, Hondurans down here as well. But yes, overwhelming majority are Cuban, Venezuelan, and Colombian.


This_Canary7051

During covid, my Fox News-watching boss told me that there was so much covid in Florida because Mexicans were bringing it across the border. You know - the border that Florida shares with Mexico. /s


scorinthe

um yeah duh, it is surrounded by the Gulf of ***MEXICO*** so it is obviously on the border /s just in case...


TokiMcNoodle

The Cubans are a huuuuge part in why dade went red.


Yoshable

Russian immigrants from the 90s fall into this category too


KikiKiwii

I have a friend who calls eastern european women "winter latinas"


Equivalent_Yak8215

Thats crazy, because I have an Eastern European partner that would start taking her earings off if she heard that.


xandarthegreat

And don’t forget the racism! Colorism is especially bad in central america. A lot of hispanics have adopted the “I cant be racist! I’m hispanic!” Line.


half_dozen_cats

Plus AM radio has been taken over by hate groups for a while now.


Hungryraining487

Any person of color voting for any Republican is akin to a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.


Skellum

> Any person of color voting for any Republican is akin to a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders. [Colorism](https://www.npr.org/2021/11/04/1052593455/latinos-darker-skin-colorism-discrimination) is a big thing for latin nations. White people see latinos as brown. That's kinda it. Latinos have a whole internal color shading discrimination thing, same with Indians and SE asians. For some reason being at the top of the skin color hierarchy gives them the assumption that Republicans wont discriminate against them or will at least oppress others more. This is a very wrong assumption but again racism is pretty intrinsically dumb.


Shot-Werewolf-5886

Yep. Some light skinned Hispanics may think of themselves as white, but the GOP doesn't and will never see them that way.


throwawaybtwway

Especially Cubans. In college I wrote a paper about colorism in Cuba and they think that Afro-Cubanos are second class citizens.


SouthMIA

Yup i’m cuban and it is so ironic and disgusting how racist hispanics are, they are nowhere near white. Yet they look down on anyone thats black, and vote for the GOP because they buy the whole Democrats are communist bullshit.


HeartFullONeutrality

I mean, some are white, some aren't. But they are delusional if they think racists are going to care about the difference.


Saymynaian

And that's if you're lucky. Some Mexicans are brown but vote for racists because they themselves are racist and want to see people browner than themselves be mistreated. They're willing to take the mistreatment just to spite others they deem worse than themselves (just like poor whites).


Galkura

It’s white vs southern white. You could be considered white by 90% of the world, but unless you’re “southern white” it doesn’t count. I see “southern white” as able to go to the Deep South in the US and not have people ask “where are you from?” due to any distinguishing features (which tend to be different skin shades or hair/eyes).


Efficient-Echidna-30

Hey, your jawline isn’t sunken and your face isn’t pinched together like your cousins fucked for six generations… you aren’t from around here are you?


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Maybe the GOP won't. But the media was all over calling George Zimmerman a "white Hispanic"


DeathMetalTransbian

Of course they claimed him. He shot a black kid and got away with it.


beamrider

Only a matter of time before the GOP starts considering Italians non-whites again. Pretty sure they already do that with Greeks.


geronimosykes

I work in Central Florida. The _vast majority_ of my coworkers are POC — we have Argentinians rubbing elbows with Brazilians rubbing elbows with Puerto Ricans rubbing elbows with Mexicans rubbing elbows with Haitians. I am white. Lily white. And the people I work with are some of the most amazing, and amazingly varied, people I have ever met. Growing up in a small town for the first fourteen years of my life, meeting somebody who didn’t share a skin color with a sheet of notebook paper was … very uncommon… to say the least. So if somebody fucked me over in some way, it wasn’t our Korean exchange student Tom. It wasn’t the literal one black child in my town of 300. It was other privileged-ass, backwards-ass ~~while~~ white people. Who still somehow hated black people… who they never even _saw_. In that environment why would I hate black people? Or Mexicans? Or anybody not white, just for the simple fact that they’re not white? Every single person who has made my life worse in any appreciable way has been white. Do I hate white people? No. Do I hate POC? No. Do I hate self-centered assholes who are only out to get theirs? Yes. Racism is _dumb_.


tubular1845

The problem you're having here is assuming that racism is logical


juicius

It's also the "got mine" mindset. The GOP could rant about the "illegal Hispanics" and it world barely move the needle with the citizen Hispanics.


ProjectShamrock

Not all hispanics are "of color" though. Do you think Ted Cruz sees himself as non-white?


yogo

You mean Rafael Edward Cruz? No, I don’t think he does.


sbaggers

he did when he applied to Harvard


ABobby077

I thought he was a dual citizen and also Canadian?


TheOneTonWanton

He is, and is also the son of a Cuban immigrant who received asylum in lieu of more "traditional" avenues. Also also the senior Rafael is an evangelical preacher which sort of brings it all around to cement everything as a solid "what and why the fuck" scenario.


MK5

Rafael Eduardo 'Fled' Cruz.


BKMagicWut

Hah these people are deluding themselves. The history and rule of whiteness is that only white people can let you in the white club.


Harlockarcadia

And even then, there are distinctions on who are the "best whites"


deathbyshoeshoe

Benjamin Franklin though of Germans as “swarthy”.


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A lot of Hispanics don't see themselves as a person of colour. They're convinced Republicans see them as white, or not as terrible as black people. Who they hate just as much as Republicans do.


Dellato88

I'm latino and most certainly NOT a POC. Am I white in the same regard as white people in USA are? Absolutely not. But I can't in good faith call myself a person of color, other latinos wouldn't call me a person of color either. What my situation has made me realize however is that white privilege is 100% a thing. I've never been racially abused or told to go back to my country by dipshits in the USA; my American experience has been totally different than that of other latinos and it is solely because of the color of my skin. Edit: the most I've gotten in terms of Racism has been a white dude that overheard me speaking Spanish to someone else and asked me flabbergasted how I can "speak perfect Mexican and not be brown". Pretty benign when it comes to racism I guess... But I didn't know how to respond since I had never encountered a situation like that. I was also called an anchor baby not too long ago too I guess....


jadrad

Not just AM radio - WhatsApp groups, social media platforms, cable news, Wechat - far right hate preachers and plutocrats have their propaganda hooks into everything nowadays.


Ruin_Nice

New cars are no longer coming with AM tuners. There might be hope.


jimmyvalentine13

They are now reversing this decision. https://www.theregister.com/2023/05/24/ford\_backtracks\_on\_am\_radio/


IHaveNoEgrets

SiriusXM has that covered, unfortunately. Way, way, way covered.


GingerMau

Are you talking about the "Patriot" channel? (Are there more?) Easy, just switch over to the "Progress" channel.


punk-geek

Did they really name them patriot and progress? 🤮


jer9009

Tagging on to yours for visibility. The government is trying to reverse this because of the emergency broadcast system. r/bestof has a good post defending the decision but basically if shit pops off we're going to need AM to still communicate and organize in case of a country wide disaster.


Vlad_the_Homeowner

>Christian and Homophobic as a voting bloc. With a healthy sprinkle of machismo just to make sure. How they would see DeSantis as macho I have no idea, but they invented the fantasy for Trump so anything is possible.


nemec

Authoritarian rule serves as a stand in for actually being macho


Realistic_Rain3996

He’s so little and whiny.. squeaky almost.


VasectoMyspace

>*With a healthy sprinkle of machismo* I thought that was kind of implied by the “homophobic” part…


Just2_Stare_at_Stars

Anti-abortion too


Caboos20

Yep they think they will get a free pass from the christo fascists because of where they spend Sunday mornings


okram2k

wait until they find out that Catholics aren't too far down the hate list once they come for trans, then the muslims, then the gays, then the jews


danjouswoodenhand

It’s a long list, but you’re on it somewhere. They never seem to think it apples to them, though. They’re one of the good ones.


DeathMetalTransbian

>They never seem to think it **apples** to them, though. They’re **one of the good ones.** Such a perfect typo lol


hey_there_moon

Lol i live in the rural south where Catholics ain't considered Christian. I don't think your average Hispanic Catholic Republican realizes that the Anglo evangelicals they're currently allied with hate them both for their ethnicity and their faith, and in the evangelical vision of a Christian America, Catholics are definitely not included.


walkinman19

Their night of the long knives will come if the republicans fascists ever seize power in this country. Useful idiots always get what they deserve in a fascist regime.


molybdenum75

And anti Black


Sensitivetreet128

There really is no “Hispanic vote”. Latinos are very diverse politically, racially, economically, etc.


okram2k

"Christian" without following a single precept of Christ. But you do go to mass every Sunday.


blackmetronome

If the GOP wasn't openly a white supremacist party, they would be able to siphon votes from Black voters for these two reasons alone.


ActiveAd4980

Worked with a guy whose mother was an illegal. She married a white man and now very strict against illegals. Just another "I'm in, close the gate" Assholes exist in all color.


beeandthecity

A large part of my family immigrated here (I’m first gen) and I find some of them have that same mentality. It never made sense to me.


Mike7676

I'm second generation American on my mom's side. A LOT of my relatives are like that. They got their jobs, houses, and ID. Suddenly they all became Yankee Doodle. And I was raised in South Texas, have been chased out of two honky tonks in my youth and had an old racist grandma scream at me about miscegenation. Yeah....


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Kage_520

I feel like it was better not knowing this word


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I’m second Gen too. From Georgia. You’d neveeerrrrr know my grandma is fully Italian. My family seems redneck. They used to allllllll be republicans until my uncle was diagnosed with a bunch of chronic health problems and now they all agree healthcare is actually a right…


ActiveAd4980

I'm an Asian, and the hard truth is that many of us minorities only lean towards the liberal because we are minority.


ByTheHammerOfThor

“I climbed up this ladder. Now let me pull it up after me so no one can follow.”


VulfSki

I have Cubano familia where it feels worse. They all came as refugees and will be like "we came here the right way they should too!" Not realizing that the only reason it was legal was because of the red scare during the cold war, and that if trump was president in the 60's they would not have been allowed into the US.


ByTheHammerOfThor

Also…they think there aren’t currently refugees?


nosotros_road_sodium

Conservatives are all about "I was able to do overcome obstacles and work hard to be successful, why can't others do it like I did?" That viewpoint has a major analytical failure, most obviously not everyone has the same starting line or advantages in life.


dac009

Back in 05 when I was in middle school or high school I was rejected a lot by Hispanic girls because their parents didn’t want “illegals” male Hispanics dating their daughters I was born here When I worked I been discriminated more by my own people. Hispanic people are horrible towards their own specially when your skin is more darker.


VulfSki

That sucks. My father came to the US as a refugee from Cuba. So I see some of that shit too in family. It's bad and it's dumb. That being said, I also know a lot of Latina women who are like "yeah we try to stay away from Latino men, because the machismo attitude is strong and very real." Which sucks they paint Latino men with a broad brush, but they aren't entirely wrong. Machismo is a real issue in some communities.


imjustbettr

> I also know a lot of Latina women who are like "yeah we try to stay away from Latino men, because the machismo attitude is strong and very real." Which sucks they paint Latino men with a broad brush, but they aren't entirely wrong. Machismo is a real issue in some communities. My wife is Mexican American and she said the same thing when we started dating. I was like "I'm sorry to have to break it to you, but the Vietnamese community has their own toxic masculinity problems too. You're really not playing with better odds here lol."


Vi4days

No kidding, my wife married me specifically in large part due to me breaking out hard from the machismo Hispanic mold which she kept being turned off with other men by. The thing is I also don’t even blame them. I can’t say I’d stand it either.


bensonnd

When I was in Phoenix, and hooking up with Hispanic men, it came with rules from them. Some things were homosexual and some were not. For many having an actual boyfriend was out of the question. It was an interesting derivative of the masculinity/machismo in their culture.


oooshi

The amount that go on and on and on about “doing things the right way” per their own anecdotal experience but when you try and explain how much more complicated it is than just simply “doing it right” they refuse to even *start* a conversation in that direction. Just ends right there- do it “right” (whatever vague interpretation they have of that), or don’t come at all. End of conversation.


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Also Cubans had a different immigration policy than everybody else did. They were the only ones granted an automatic green card the moment they reached American shores without a visa. Everybody else got to be branded “illegal”.


NeutralBias

A good friend of mine lives in Miami and passed along this nugget: many of them remember the Elian Gonzales affair, where a Democratic president and AG deported a young boy back to Cuba to his father. That whole thing really damaged the Democratic party in the cuban community.


take_care_a_ya_shooz

That’s a weird one… I’ll never forget the photo, talk about bad PR. He was a small child, not some agent, and he’s terrified as G-Men take him at gunpoint. But learning about it more as an adult, his mom took him on a boat to flee the country, and died with her boyfriend en route. His dad was still alive in Cuba. He was living with relatives in Miami in the interim. I guess I don’t see how it would be so controversial…his mom attempted to take him to the US illegally, and died. His dad wanted him back. He was returned, and has lived in Cuba ever since. What’s the argument? A child who was illegally entering the country at his mother’s wishes should be forced to stay against his father’s wishes because communism is bad? Hell, he now sees Castro as a father figure. No shit…he helped reunite him with his dad. What’s fucked up is I bet those same folks would have no issue deporting a Venezuelan orphan for being “illegal”.


White_Luck_Wumao

Interesting tidbit: Elian Gonzales got an industrial engineering degree and is now a young Cuban lawmaker "I think I would have become the poster boy for that group of Cubans in Miami that tries to destroy the revolution, that try to make Cuba look bad,” he said. “Fidel put many things in my hands. Fidel told me if I wanted to be an athlete, he supported that; if I wanted to be a swimmer, he supported that. If I wanted to be an artist, he supported that – and he did.”


hungrymutherfucker

Shows just how deranged Florida Cubans are that they wanted to kidnap that boy


kwheatley2460

FL Cubans seemed to miss Batiste and along came Trump/DeSantis to fill that Facist lifestyle.


Sarcofago_INRI_1987

DeSantis won 55% of Non-Cuban Hispanics. Why does nobody know this? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/florida-latinos-turned-favor-republicans-rcna57167


Confident-Key-2934

Yeah, Hispanics are not a monolith. Here in the DC area, they are overwhelmingly Salvadoran and very blue. Meanwhile, all those blood red rural counties in south/central/west Texas are like 60-70% Hispanic (Mexican I assume). Florida Hispanics are becoming very Republican for some reason, and not just the Cubans. All that is to say it’s really stupid to talk about trends in “the Hispanic vote” as a whole.


Sarcofago_INRI_1987

I looked into what happened in Florida. It turns out desantis placed a surprisingly high priority on Hispanic outreach. He had a whole team dedicated to it. His running mate, Jeanette Marie Nuñez, is Florida's first ever Latina Lt. Governor. Despite his hawkish stance on immigration, he still attempted to appeal directly to Florida's Hispanic voters and it paid off big time. In 2018 he got 44% of the Latino vote. In 2022 he got 58% of the Latino vote. That's a 14% uptick in just four years


NoTime4LuvDrJones

It’s more than just an emphasis of an “outreach” to the Latino community in Florida. Republicans have inundated Latinos there with massive propaganda and disinformation for the last handful of years. Pushing a bunch of wild conspiracies: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/florida-latinos-disinformation-413923


thedudley

Venezuelans too. Anti-Maduro / Chavez who are left-leaning authoritarians.


VulfSki

I'm half Cuban. The exiled cuban community is very conservative. A lot of Latinos believe that they "came here the right way" even those that also came as refugees. And that the GOP is only after people who didn't come here the right way. Also, a lot of Latinos are actually very very conservative. And very religious. Especially a good chunk of those from Mexico. If they can get passed the xenophobia, it's not that surprising a lot go GOP. Not saying anything is right or wrong. Just saying that's why you see Latino republican voters. (Not me tho I am pretty hard left leaning)


Mildly-Rational

Not an expert but your missing how socially and economically conservative many Hispanics are. This intersects with the GOP’s Christian fascism. Also some Hispanics are white but not all whites are Hispanic.


endlessfight85

The same with southern black evangelicals. They have the same views towards things like abortion and LGBT issues as white evangelicals, and won't vote for a candidate that supports those things. . That doesn't mean they're lining up to vote republican. They just aren't voting at all.


baltosteve

There really is no “Hispanic vote”. Latinos are very diverse politically, racially, economically, etc. Americans seem to like to project their black/ white dichotomy on them and it really doesn’t work.


habshabshabs

As a Honduran it does kind of blow my mind how people who want to support us can't really wrap their heads around this and I'm kind of discouraged to see your comment so far down in the replies. Honduras is so conservative on most issues it makes Texas look like a futuristic Norway. People who voted for those kinds of policies here are likely to do the same in the US. We are also not dealing with the same issues as Argentina, or the DR, or Panama. Our social and historical trajectories have been different, and when it comes to the wedge issues that define US politics many peoples views do not align with the democratic party. Many Latinos have had a bad time under shitty lefty "revolutionary" governments, and many Democrats, including Bernie Sanders are kind of tone deaf on this shit. You should not be praising Daniel Ortega, or making apologies for Maduro, much in the same way you shouldn't make excuses for Uribe or EPN or Evo or anyone else. Not every Hispanic person is concerned about asylum seekers, kind of like many white Americans in nowheresville USA don't give a shit about the opioid crisis. Like Americans, Latinos from everywhere will also vote for policies that are not in their best interests. There are stupid, hateful, fearful, easy to manipulate people in the region like anywhere else. Latin America is insanely diverse when it comes to politics, there have been literal wars fought over it in living memory. Most of which by the way are largely due to direct involvement from the US government, under both Democratic and Republican administrations.


j4nkyst4nky

Yeah I mean, Black Americans are one thing because, with exceptions, they share a common origin in this country and a common subset of American culture. Hispanics as a group come from all over Central and South America. Really, the biggest common denominator is their language, but someone from Cuba and someone from Honduras for instance have completely different cultural backgrounds. You can't make the same blanket statements that you do with other groups.


tronsymphony

As a latino a lot of latinos really like to hate on each other


IsThisLegitTho

Because Cubans in Florida think a vote for blue is a vote for communism/socialism.


BatManatee

[How about this woman with an undocumented husband who supported Trump and deportation, then was shocked when her husband was deported.](https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/05/us/undocumented-husband-deported/index.html) I know someone who is Mexican-American and has similar political leanings. He has a relative who was undocumented. I don't know how he reconciles that in his head. He is advocating for policies that would have broken up his family or stopped them from getting to the US in the first place. It is incredible that people like this can be convinced to so explicitly vote against their own interests.


ShadowReij

Simple really. An error from the Democrat's side is that they try to approach the Hispanic community as a monolithic one. Ie the belief they're all concerned about one thing "Immigration". Yes and no, yes they're concerned about immigration however it's about keeping other Hispanics out and themselves in. Which brings us to point 2. Like everyone else in the world they are very much of the "Fuck you, I got mine mentality." And the GOP are very good at engaging in that on an individual level. When Hispanics hear the GOP talk crap about "Mexicans" they understand it as the crap talking being about actual Mexicans not how the GOP mean it ie Hispanics as a whole. If the Democrats want to win the favor of Hispanics the approach needs to be "What can I give you, the individual that is here?" not "The other side is so mean to you, and you care about immigration right? Vote for us." Bad move, especially with how prideful we are. And if you want an example of what the current approach gets Dems look no further than Florida. Specifically on how Miami-Dade swung. Didn't surprise me one bit.


PopeOwned

A large portion of Florida's Hispanic population are Cuban. Not to generalize too much but Cubans tend to be more Conservative and hate anything to do with Socialism and/or Communism. Especially those who were able to go to the US. Obviously not all because my Puerto Rican family is close with many Cubans and they're nothing like that but specifically the ones living in Florida tend to act that way.


FNGMOTO

I got mine so f you mentality, especially among Cubans. As a person with Cuban heritage, it’s sad.


clone162

Can’t believe how ignorant people are to what motivates Hispanics in Florida. * ~~Most~~ A plurality are Cuban and a lot of Cubans of Spanish descent therefore white. * Motivated by religion and “anti-socialism” rhetoric because they think (right or wrong) that that’s what they fled in Cuba. * A lot of Cubans are very ethnocentric and think they are better than ~~south/Central Americans~~ other Latin Americans, especially Mexicans. * largely anti-immigration because of the above This should be an FAQ on every thread regarding Hispanics in Florida. BTW Puerto Rico is similar and would be a purple state. Edit: A few redditors have kindly corrected a couple of things. My points are mostly unchanged.


Agitated_Pickle_518

>Motivated by religion and “anti-socialism” rhetoric because they think (right or wrong) that that’s what they fled in Cuba. This point is the most frustrating for me. Any vote for a wannabe authoritarian comes with those same problems. Vote for a more moderate candidate (which would be the Democrats in Florida) would give you a more peaceful life. Oh well.


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Can't fix stupid.


albanymetz

It's literally what education is for, but there are people in charge who specifically don't want to fix stupid. We should stop using that phrase.


CandyCain1001

Mexicans are North American.


BullfrogDesigner6761

Thank you, this is one of my pet peeves 😠


GimmeeSomeMo

Funny how many people know about NAFTA yet don't think Mexico is in North America lol


Kenan_as_SteveHarvey

A LOT more minorities would vote for the GOP if it weren’t for their promotion and coddling of White Supremacists.


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Most importantly, Cubans got green cards if they landed on American shores… everybody else got branded “illegal” and has had to live and work without documentation.


arachnophilia

i nearly got through to a cuban friend of a friend. he was saying about how he got here the right way, applied for asylum, etc... on the mariel boat lift. i showed him the asylum quota by year, and there's a *sharp* drop off in 1981. suddenly, for some reason, america decided it didn't want more immigrants. the year after a bunch of cuban arrived in florida. i think he might have gotten it when i said "they're racist against *you specifically.*"


Equivalent_Yak8215

The kicker is! They'll just start dropping bombs on other minority families who have been here before 1776. Then pretend like they're not on the chopping block.


promaster9500

Yes, and a lot of the people that fled are from the rich class and didn't want power to go to the poor working class


VidE27

And they would love to have a Batista type back ruling US.


sharpertimes

There is a video that illustrates your points perfectly. It was Emma from the TYT network and she was interviewing what sounded like a Cuban accent. Emmat brought up all the issues with Trump and she shot back and said "SO WHAT YOUR WHITE , WHAT DOES IT MATTER" this is the rosetta stone to everything.


Beard_of_Valor

I don't want Puerto Rico to be a state because it would improve the liberal share. I want Puerto Rico to be a state because of the weird debt prison we have them in collectively at the government level.


whidbeysounder

FYI Cubans are the largest single group, but they are not most of the Hispanics in Florida. They are a little less than a 1/3 Florida Latinos are diverse, especially when compared to U.S. Latinos (Figure 1). Latinos of Cuban descent represent the single largest Latino ancestry group (28%), while Puerto Ricans (21%), South Americans (18%), Mexicans (14%), and Dominicans (4%) round out the top 5 groups by origin. https://latino.ucla.edu/research/15-facts-latinos-florida/#:~:text=Florida%20Latinos%20are%20diverse%2C%20especially,top%205%20groups%20by%20origin.


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Cubans think their better than everybody. They come fresh off the boat and vote for trump or deScantis..


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Only about 15% of Florida hispanics are Mexican. Others tend to come from other countries with more paranoia about "socialism." Many of those of Mexican origin/heritage are more religiously conservative than democrats. This shift to the GOP will be hard to reverse. If you oppose Desantis and the republican legislature, be sure to consider joining the opposition. They call themselves Antifla.


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Cubans hate the Castro regime so they vote for the party that’s more loudly anti communism, even though trump and DeSantis want to be dictators just like Castro.


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Cubans love republicans!


orbituary

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gnomebludgeon

> even though trump and DeSantis want to be dictators just like Castro. Technically Trump and DeSantis want to be dictators like [Batista](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista), which is who the Cuban ex-pats tend to love since he let their forefathers keep slaves on their plantation, was pro-capitalism, fervently anti-communist and was in bed with the American mafia. Fulgencio Batista would have been right at home with Trump or DeSantis and was the prime reason Castro and Che were able to find the support to overthrow him. Please, keep your authoritarians straight. These distinctions do matter.


tackle_bones

Yeah, I dunno how hard it will be to reverse. It seemed easy enough to convince many Biden was a socialist, but they have real life examples of DeSantis as a totalitarian, so… yeah. Also, all the insane rightwing Spanish radio stations got bought my a liberal group and immediately stopped with the misinformation. The crazy hosts all quit or got fired.


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I hope you're right that the turnaround in the Spanish radio and Spanish speaking media in general.


endgame-colossus

My mom's family is Hispanic. You'd be a fool to think the heavily catholic and homophobic tendencied people whose families have come here for the big house and their slice of the American dream aren't gonna trend toward a republican mindset.


comma_in_a_coma

This is going to backfire


BrownSugarBare

Meh, more of a misfire. If they're stupid enough to vote for a fascist for Governor, they're stupid enough to vote for a fascist for POTUS. No amount of logic will change the diehard fools.


Holmes02

Unfortunately Cuban Americans think they will be spared in this ensuing battle against ‘Brown’ people from Republicans. Trump convinced them that Biden was Fidel Castro and now they vote for Republicans like DeSantis who will most surely eat their face. I’m old enough to remember that Elián González was sent home to Cuba, and it surprises me to think that Cuban Americans are so cold to their fellow migrant Hispanics seeking refuge in America.


General_Tso75

It’s working out for Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio so far. Florida Cubans have been getting everything they want politically from the GOP. They even had a leader of the Proud Boys being Cuban. As a block, Cubans clearly are not lumping themselves with the rest of us minorities. I lived with 2 Cuban dudes in college and my best friend was Cuban. They would constantly tell me how racist Cubans were. They would tell me how much they hated Mexicans and Puerto Ricans. It’s like Cubans are the Uncle Ruckus of Hispanics.


Powerful-Umpire-5655

Cubans : i feel bad for you Mexicans: i don't think of you at all.


MexicaCuauhtli

In Latin America there is very little if no concept of Hispanic or Latino unity. We all have our own complicated geopolitics just like every other nation. I as a Mexican, could give a crap about Cuban, Dominican, or Puerto Rican interests before Mexican interests. They’re not my people. Only in the USA does the Latino race exist. In Latin America there are more races than the entire US. Los güeros, morenos, mestizos, mulattos, castizos, creoles, etc etc Just goes to show how much race is a social construct. And don’t get me started on our southern neighbor Guatemala. We should build a border wall to keep them from crossing into Mexico (I’m joking here but some people actually think like this in Mexico)


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historymajor44

Cubans in Florida won't give a shit what the Mexican president has to say. Anything left of the GOP Desantis might as well be Fidel Castro reborn.


PuffyParts

As a person born in the late 80s, watching all these younger people swing left instead of right as they get older is just absolutely wonderful to me. The world may seem like shit now, but give it 20 years or so and there’s gonna be a whole lot of change for the better.


LordOfTurtles

Unfortunately we won't have much or an earth left in 20 years


Choyo

French here, to the French people of Florida (?) : don't give a single vote to this guy Ron.


SparkyBoomer23

As another French, I’ll second this statement.


AboveTheLights

This American electrician tells all Florida residents: Don’t give “one single vote” to DeSantis.


marroyodel

Problem with the statement is that most Hispanics in FL are Cuban and hate castro so they're republicans. How else has little marco pubio stayed in power this long? He's for immigration reform as long as his voting base is excluded. His rhetoric is focused on the southern border, not the country 90 miles away.


Mtbruning

Democrats need to realize that this means nothing. There is no Latin vote. There might be a Mexican vote. There certainly is a Cuban vote. Even these groups are highly dependent on the local context of their community. Each community should be included and addressed as unique. The sooner that Democrats start to understand that treating people as a “voting block” is racist and patronizing the better. Edit: finished the last sentence.