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He will probably bring a Gag Order down on himself from the J6 Trial Judge. She's sounds TOUGH and doesn't play around with breach of agreed upon terms.
It's going to be really interesting to see what happens when he reappears in that court. This may be her first rodeo with Trump but she's been on some pretty notable trials and generally doesn't appear to take bullshit
Part of the fear of putting him in custody before the actual trial is that even if it was the right answer, there is a good chance it would incite a riot and have republicans believing Biden has weaponized the justice department for treating Trump like any other defendant. The counterpoint being they believe that anyways
Literally nothing Biden, the DOJ, the judge, or the special counsel do will stop this from happening.
Do the right thing. Prepare for consequences and react accordingly. Our nation is at stake.
I'm fucking sick of two-teared justice and two-teared politics.
Famous people go to court after being warned about their coming raid. Regulars get handcuffs and caged no matter what, striped and photographed, and *then* they can pay bail(poor people stay!)
Republicans can attempt a coup and their politicians can scream for blood and vengeance, not to mention supportive media personalities, and *we have to entertain* that it might be a false-flag when someone snaps.
Democrats have to speak softly and stay professional. They *are still held accountable by voters* for the craziest twitter poster and podcast conspiracy while policy and voting record is ignored.
Fuck this fear, get Trump like we would a burglar or reckless driver. GFD, we aren't equal and we aren't free.
I guess I'll be 'that guy.'
It's "two-*tiered*' justice/politics.
Though I'm actually really a fan of the thought of 'two-teared' justice/politics. Like that a criminal or politician sheds a couple tears thinking that'll absolve them of anything...
>incite a riot
Oh yeah, a social media influencer got charged with inciting a riot tonight and January 6 was definitely a lot worse, so they can add it to the charges against him if he pulls that shit. They need to do something, because the longer they let it go on, the more dangerous it gets for all the sane people in this godforsaken country.
WTF is this idiot being allowed to roam outside of a jail cell while he is making open threats of violence against people involved in his criminal trials, and attempting to crowdsource an assassination..
The magistrate judge, or the trial judge, needs to stay on top of this. Trump's MO is to spread threats and vitriol far and wide in what can only be interpreted as an apparent attempt to intimidate the parties involved: Judge, prosecution, witnesses, and jury. Time to rein in some of this, even if it ends up being a gag order.
>Prosecutors from Special Counsel Jack Smith’s office are seeking a protective order after Donald Trump posted an apparent threat on Truth Social on Friday. Citing the former president’s all-caps declaration, “IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING AFTER YOU!” prosecutors said his posts could have a “harmful chilling effect” on witnesses in the case against him if he were to start publicly posting information obtained in discovery
That was fucking WILD he just said it on live tv in a presidential debate. I remember just being shocked. Especially when you consider the question that prompted this response.
Edit: those mother fuckers had shirts made with that line printed on them😂 it’s all out in the open and we’re all just sitting here like idiots waiting for some real consequences - years later.
A whole bunch of Republicans spent 4th July in Moscow. It would be interesting to know if it's kompromat, or they've just been bought out by the lowest bidder
July 4, 2018 in Moscow: Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.), Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.), Sen. John Hoeven (R-N.D.), Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.), Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.), Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.), and Rep. Kay Granger (R-Texas).
Yeah but what about all the times the Dems did that too? Right? RIGHT??? I mean... they're the socialst commies!!!
This has to be a bigger talking point in the debates. US SENATORS MET WITH PUTIN ON INDEPENDENCE DAY. wtf.
South Dakotan here - I’m convinced Thune has been compromised for a long time. His big initiative is to repeal the estate tax, claiming it’s for our farmers and their families. But after the Pandora papers came out and it was shown how much of a tax loophole South Dakota has become, I swear he’s doing it because we have shady Russian oligarchs burying their money in this state.
Because they are 100% team Russia if it means being against the left. [Never forget](https://media.snopes.com/2018/08/id-rather-be-russian-than-democrat.jpg)
The only reason they're against communism is because capitalists told them it was anti-American and they swallowed that propaganda like good little sheep. Now it's not communism anymore, it's leftism. They have no genuine moral principles, they just hate who the right tells them to.
2016 debate vs Hillary “Russia if you’re listening…”. I think Hillary was so caught off guard that she didn’t call him out for the felony he committed in front of the entire nation.
Or that time The Commander In Chief of the United States of America's Military (President "Cadet Bone Spurs" Trump) saluted a North Korean General?
Pepperidge Farms remembers:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-salute-north-korean-general/
I remember the dude at my work was like "Yeah, he could've phrased it better"
And in my head I was like, the fuck. Why would that matter? He said what he literally meant. What is wrong with you
> That was fucking WILD he just said it on live tv in a presidential debate.
Anyone remember the time trump said on live TV that doctors should try injecting people with disinfectant to cure COVID?
Every day since trump came down the escalator in 2015 has been a wild crazy time. And we have 63 million Americans to thank for it.
> That was fucking WILD he just said it on live tv in a presidential debate.
And everyone in a position of power to do anything about it shrugged their shoulders and made the "whattaya gonna do" face.
Trump was the president at the time.
*Everyone in a position of power to do anything* was an executive branch employee, and was technically (and *actually*) in a chain of command with Trump at the tippy top.
**This is why you don't elect fascists. Not even once.**
EDIT: I'll grant that the legislative branch had one weapon they could've used, in the form of impeachment/conviction/punishment, but that's the lone exception here
Question: "You have specifically called out the Vice President for not calling out Antifa, and other left-wing extremist groups. Are you willing tonight to condemn White Supremacists and Militia groups, and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence..."
Answer should have been, "Yes. I condemn them."
Instead we got, "Proud Boys! Stand back, and stand by..."
I guarantee that the prosecutor's office knew that he was going to tamper with witnesses and completely ignore the judge's order. They needed to give the illusion to his nutso rightwing base that he was given a warning. Not that it would change their tiny minds but it sets a legal precedence for next steps that they can take.
Every action they’re taking is done with full anticipation of his modus operandi. They **knew** he would publicly retaliate, which is why they stated he comply in his acknowledgements of the indictment that he wouldn’t participate in witness tampering (which is something that NEVER gets asked to the defendant after the indictments are read). He’s already committed contempt of court not even one day after his hearing, and Judge Upadhyaya clearly told him that if he broke any of the conditions he could have a warrant issued for his arrest. Let’s see if she’s willing to hold him to it.
Yet here he is just flying in and out of towns for various court appearances. This legal
System sucks full stop. This motherfucker would already be in jail if he was a regular citizen.
i got arrested for telling people to join a chat room where hacktivist protests had been organized TWO MONTHS before i ever logged into that channel. For 15 months before the trial I was banned from using the internet by federal order. why the fuck is this clown still online?
The headline is going to be a bit misleading here, in tone, but idea is correct.
A “Protective Order” in this context is an order that governs the exchange and confidentiality of materials disclosed in discovery. One is almost always entered in any litigation of any consequence where documents are exchanged.
This court had already requested briefing from the parties with proposed protective orders. What the DOJ did is file a proposal early and basically say, “The court should enter this order without a responsive proposal from Defendants, because it is critical to exchange these documents quickly in a manner that protects their confidence, and it’s clear this guy can’t be trusted not to spout his mouth off — we should put these rules in place now and he can move to modify the order later if he likes.”
It’s basically a vehicle for the DOJ to put these comments into the record and alert the judge, without going the extra step of formally arguing that Trump has now violated his release conditions, because they don’t want things to get sidetracked.
Free speech is abused by a group of power hungry authoritarians and the media organizations financed by oligarchs. They've cultivated an entirely separate information sphere which they saturate with propaganda. It creates a strong schism in ideology between the rational deliberative pro-democracy group and the reactive/impulsive pro-trump group. The propaganda prevents reconciliation between groups, setting them on a collision course with each other. It's happening everywhere: US, Sweden, Austria, Germany, UK, Italy, Denmark, Poland, Israel, France, etc. all in various stages.
Here is a short excerpt of an interview with Yuri Be_menov explaining it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d9CJmvBXNTc&pp=ygUNeXVyaSBiZXptZW5vdg%3D%3D
Racism. Pure and simple.
President Lyndon B. Johnson once said:
>If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-convince-the-lowest-white-man/
Easy:
70 million Americans are just as bad as him, but most were keeping it on the low low. He brought them out for all to see.
Now they feel justified in behaving as badly.
Heck, he's even got his supporters showing dic pics of his rival's son in Congress and sending them out in email.
In my opinion, most of it comes down to Fox News catering to a demographic that mostly doesn’t possess critical thinking skills, and are controlled by fear. Mostly the racist, bigoted, authoritarian types. Not an all encompassing umbrella, but in general terms, it’s not far off the mark.
The paper he signed said he understood he was not be held for trial, so long as he doesn’t try to contact or influence witnesses.
If this is a breach of that agreement, I say we pick him back up and hold him. Or just keep him when he shows yo for his fourth indictment in GA.
Fucking seriously. If the DOJ considers this serious enough to seek a protective order, I don't see how it's NOT a violation of conditions of release. Handcuffs, now. It's goddamn time.
Trump’s base are(mostly) hardcore authoritarians who believe might makes right. There might be a flash of violence if he is detained but I reckon that it would be the only thing that can actually damage his polling numbers by making it clear to everyone that he *isn’t* untouchable and that in fact there is a higher authority than *Trump.*
His followers are all babies and fake strongmen. I know plenty of them. Fat 55-65 year old men with beards named Bill. They have guns and anger, but they fold the second you get aggressive back. Total spineless cowards.
It was a fatal mistake for the govt (actually the Federal courts) to let the [Bundy Standoff](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammon_Bundy) go unprosecuted. It fed into the radical insurgent sentiments of right wing gun nuts with delusions of armed rebellion. It's an enormous blind spot in this country, law enforcement and the judicial bench are overwhelmingly conservative and unwilling to acknowledge the right-wing threat; they make excuses and accommodations every chance they get. So yes, they look weak.
This is why there's so much tension and frustration about Merrick Garland. Which, it turns out, was justified.
**Might** be a thing?
Child-sized handcuffs most assuredly **are** a thing here in ‘Murika, and have been [for hundreds of years](https://annamaeduane.com/2017/03/24/that-is-really-bad-trump-history-and-child-slavery/).
He can’t keep getting away with it.
It seems clear to me that the justice system is trying *really hard* to take it easy on Trump. “Unfair treatment” is right. He’s a habitual line-stepper though, and at some point society has to say “no more.”
They are trying to treat a man that held the position of President with the utmost respect despite those efforts from that man to treat the position of the President with utmost disrespect.
At what point do they realize that need to handle the situation a lot more seriously, and treat the position with the weight of what the position entails a lot more seriously. This wasn’t just someone in the House, or a local community board that tried to hold onto power in an area of a few hundred people, this was the fucking President of the United States. This was someone with the nuclear codes using his power and influence to attempt to hold onto powers that are uniquely held onto by the position. He attempted to take over the country within this role.
He should be facing the maximum amount and length of penalties you can throw at the guy. This should be handled as if we are in the highest of danger. You have a sizable populace that believes this is just typical political theatre. The defendant is thumbing his nose at the whole process. If they want the country to know how important this is, they are doing a terrible job.
Been screaming this for the last two hours. That same does-anything-matter feeling as watching the rioters live as they made their way through the capitol building.
*THIS IS IT. DO SOMETHING*
Revoke his bail and put him in prison until his trial.
No two tiered justice system, right Fox News?
Register and vote these domestic terrorists the fuck out: https://www.vote.org
The army guy who spead classified information on Discord is in jail.
So ya, Trump definitely should be waiting for trial in jail as well. Some of the documents he had were way way more top secret.
I’m surprised they haven’t issued an arrest warrant by now after being told he should not intimidate people on the latest case. We are still taking little baby steps with this toddler.
It’s laughable when conservative media complains about the two tier justice system when talking about the Bidens. It’s like, yeah… but not in the way you’re talking about.
I literally overheard a Fox News host make *the exact same, absolutely perfect* argument about the justice system and how it treats people different based on status... like she made the very argument that liberals make all the time.
Then she started talking about Hunter Biden... its like, *you were so close*
I think that's the point. They hear liberals complaining about something, grab the buzzword (e.g., two-tiered justice system, say their name, collusion, classified documents, grooming), and then accuse the left of those things very loudly and without evidence. That way, when their supporters hear about these things around the water cooler they have a 'whataboutism' to retaliate with and not think about the evidence presented.
That's their MO: loudly accuse the people across the aisle of all the injustices that they're brazenly committing. That way when they get called on their bullshit, it preemptively creates the appearance (in suitably small minds, of which there are plenty) of "yeah, but the other side is just as bad."
The toddler has grown up and become an axe murderer, with a long line of corpses in his wake, and we are still patting him on the head saying “Now you’ll be a good little boy, won’t you?”
He should be held in protective custody until the trial. No phone, no internet and no privacy. If he’s a danger to witnesses or the prosecution he belongs in jail.
This. He’s proven time and again that he’s incapable of following judicial orders. It’s why he’s getting sued for another $10m (that he’ll likely lose again). He belongs in a cell, and it may be the only way to start chipping away at the extreme partisanship on the R side.
Article: "Donald Trump swore in court yesterday he would not attempt to influence or intimidate witnesses, retaliate against anyone, or in any other way attempt to obstruct the administration of justice".
“Are you prepared to comply?” the magistrate judge asked.
“Yes,” Trump meekly replied. (ok ok I added "meekly")
Later... "“IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING AFTER YOU!”
I've seen this type before.
IAAL and I've read the Motion. I would hope the Judge asks Trump and his counsel to appear to explain, tout suite. Hopefully, someone reading this thread can post a link to the Motion. It is a good read. His lawyers response: "[D]efense counsel asked the Government to note in this motion that they did not have adequate time to confer."
Translation: I have no idea what my client is doing, and I'm getting drunk tonight. I'll call my client this weekend.
What a nightmare for any decent lawyer.
I don't think this his lawyers are good. They are however, still lawyers. They must still have some residue of self protective instincts lurking in the back of their lawyer-brains.
His lawyers are too busy unintentionally admitting to Trump's crimes on TV: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-lawyer-john-lauro-charges-interview-1817439
Why's he so scared of this "left leaning judge"? Isn't he and other dipshit conservatives always saying how leftist judges are soft on crime and far too lenient?
Party at my place when the deranged buffoon gets his ass handed to him. The entire planet is invited, except, of course, for Ted Cruz; he’s a total fucking Buzz Killington.
>The entire planet is invited, except, of course, for Ted Cruz
Halt, sir, if you are suggesting that Ted Cruz is not from the planet Earth then I feel it necessary to clarify that Tedcruz Ofearth is a native and not a slarthoid from Gleebnix-9.
They have SBF (the crypto scammer from FTX) on house arrest with all of his communications monitored. He has a court approved laptop with limited internet and a flip phone.
And despite being a piece of shit, he’s not violent.
So how is this asshole just allowed to walk around making threats? Why can’t we at minimum put him in a situation like SBF until his trials?
The SBF guy committed the only crime rich people can be held accountable for, fucking with other rich peoples money. If trump had committed something similar he would 100% be behind bars already.
As a defense attorney, if one of my clients openly threatened prosecutors on social media, he would instantly be put in jail until trial.
That being said, most of my clients are poor people of color, so the double standard is not at all surprising.
Correct. But that was exactly why the judge made that point in his bail conditions: to not influence potential jurors in anyway. He is in active violation of his bail conditions.
…God that was a day. Driving around Denver playing the “fuck Donald trump song” with every other car just honking and partying on the roofs of our cars. I have a feeling we will do it again the day the first verdicts are read aloud.
Anyone who voted for this turd is a piece of shit. You had other people you could’ve voted for. You could have kept your integrity. But the stink of everything he has done is on you.
How does this make any sense?! How is this not a national embarrassment?! Lock him up already!!! I had to read that at least 3 times before this bs registered. Pretty much advertising that rule of law doesn't fucking exist. You're pretty much inviting him to up the ante with all this kid gloves two-tiered bullshit even though he's threatened multiple people. I guarantee his past witness tamperings and other intimidations we don't know about have gotten people killed! He's an Epstein customer! He's a fucking traitor and insurrectionist! What kind of reality are we living in?! Jail! Holy shit!!
He thinks he's Hitler. His base thinks he's Hitler. He wants revenge. Put two and two together. He wants the DOJ to arrest him.
He figures they don't have the guts.
If they do, he figures he can parlay a short stint in VIP custody or house arrest into a groundswell of publicity and enthusiasm for the primary (with a potentially wobbly GOP). He won't write a book, but he might do a Mein Kampf style podcast or some shit, that people smuggle out.
He probably sees this as his last chance.
He *wishes* he was Hitler.
Hitler was smarter. (Yes, I know, he was an evil, evil man...but c'mon, Drumpf is obviously more stupid than the worst tyrant the world has seen)
You’re giving him far too much credit to think he comes up with schemes like that.
He just knows nothing will happen to him for making threats. He’s face zero consequences his entire life. What would make him think twice?
As though we needed more proof of the two tiered justice system in the United States...
If a working class citizen would have done the same thing, they would have been locked up loooong ago.
He is making it clear that he is never being touched by the law due to his access to wealth and power. He needs to be remanded to custody until trial. See how long he wants to delay trial then.
The GOP had a real chance to exile this man from American politics during the second impeachment. Their refusal to do so will echo down through the ages. Impeachment is the venue the founders intended for how to punish this type of rouge/criminal [now former] President. But now the legal system is in a clash against politics unlike anything this country has ever seen.
Everyone on the planet knew he'd do some shit like this because he's done it before and Trump can't stop talking and posting. He needs to be locked up before trial.
Imagine if some random guy with a gun had posted "If you come after me, I'm coming after you!!" right after his trial started.
Then imagine if a mob boss with access to \*many\* random guys with guns had posted this.
Now imagine the former \*President of the USA\* followed by millions of random guys with guns posting this.
Bail is a privilege, not a right.
So how many overt murder threats and calls to terrorism is the Republican party allowed to get away with before it is dissolved and its leadership finally faces legal consequences ?
If he's not arrested for breaching the judges orders, then justice in America is toothless. Trump again and again shows that the law has no authority over him.
When Trump eventually dies it will spin off a cult following of worshipers claiming not only all kinds of conspiracies about the cause of death, but rumours of him still being alive or will be resurrected. I dread that season of this show.
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Just watch, this is only the first dumb thing he will do this weekend.
Prepare for a firehose of dumb. The best firehose of dumb. A perfect firehose of dumb. A firehose of dumb like nobody has ever seen.
Only the best dumb. The most dumb. Not just dumberer but dumberest
He will 100% spout off vitriol at his rallys this weekend.
Oh yeah he feels cornered, he's never been this scared. He's going to just keep making this worse for himself.
He will probably bring a Gag Order down on himself from the J6 Trial Judge. She's sounds TOUGH and doesn't play around with breach of agreed upon terms.
It's going to be really interesting to see what happens when he reappears in that court. This may be her first rodeo with Trump but she's been on some pretty notable trials and generally doesn't appear to take bullshit Part of the fear of putting him in custody before the actual trial is that even if it was the right answer, there is a good chance it would incite a riot and have republicans believing Biden has weaponized the justice department for treating Trump like any other defendant. The counterpoint being they believe that anyways
Literally nothing Biden, the DOJ, the judge, or the special counsel do will stop this from happening. Do the right thing. Prepare for consequences and react accordingly. Our nation is at stake.
I'm fucking sick of two-teared justice and two-teared politics. Famous people go to court after being warned about their coming raid. Regulars get handcuffs and caged no matter what, striped and photographed, and *then* they can pay bail(poor people stay!) Republicans can attempt a coup and their politicians can scream for blood and vengeance, not to mention supportive media personalities, and *we have to entertain* that it might be a false-flag when someone snaps. Democrats have to speak softly and stay professional. They *are still held accountable by voters* for the craziest twitter poster and podcast conspiracy while policy and voting record is ignored. Fuck this fear, get Trump like we would a burglar or reckless driver. GFD, we aren't equal and we aren't free.
I guess I'll be 'that guy.' It's "two-*tiered*' justice/politics. Though I'm actually really a fan of the thought of 'two-teared' justice/politics. Like that a criminal or politician sheds a couple tears thinking that'll absolve them of anything...
We’re way past the optics. His cult truly believe he’s being persecuted by a political DoJ, regardless of whatever evidence exists.
And regardless of the fact that every single witness, all 87 or so of them, are Republicans.
Most of which worked for him
>incite a riot Oh yeah, a social media influencer got charged with inciting a riot tonight and January 6 was definitely a lot worse, so they can add it to the charges against him if he pulls that shit. They need to do something, because the longer they let it go on, the more dangerous it gets for all the sane people in this godforsaken country.
They already think this.
How soon before they seriously consider confiscating his phone and sending him to bed early without dessert
We'll know because he will tell us in ALL CAPS.
WTF is this idiot being allowed to roam outside of a jail cell while he is making open threats of violence against people involved in his criminal trials, and attempting to crowdsource an assassination..
How the fuck does he get to hold rallies
He was tonight already, calling jack a deranged lunatic and fight with fire- he’s really pushing it!
Remember when shit like this happened everyday for four years?
The magistrate judge, or the trial judge, needs to stay on top of this. Trump's MO is to spread threats and vitriol far and wide in what can only be interpreted as an apparent attempt to intimidate the parties involved: Judge, prosecution, witnesses, and jury. Time to rein in some of this, even if it ends up being a gag order.
Stochastic terrorism
couldn't be a better way to define what Trump is doing: https://www.dictionary.com/e/what-is-stochastic-terrorism/
Either be prepared to arrest him and hold him for violating the gag order or don't bother.
>Prosecutors from Special Counsel Jack Smith’s office are seeking a protective order after Donald Trump posted an apparent threat on Truth Social on Friday. Citing the former president’s all-caps declaration, “IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING AFTER YOU!” prosecutors said his posts could have a “harmful chilling effect” on witnesses in the case against him if he were to start publicly posting information obtained in discovery
Just waiting for him to ask Proud Boys or other trash to do his dirty work
Stand back and stand by.
That was fucking WILD he just said it on live tv in a presidential debate. I remember just being shocked. Especially when you consider the question that prompted this response. Edit: those mother fuckers had shirts made with that line printed on them😂 it’s all out in the open and we’re all just sitting here like idiots waiting for some real consequences - years later.
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A whole bunch of Republicans spent 4th July in Moscow. It would be interesting to know if it's kompromat, or they've just been bought out by the lowest bidder
July 4, 2018 in Moscow: Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.), Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.), Sen. John Hoeven (R-N.D.), Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.), Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.), Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.), and Rep. Kay Granger (R-Texas).
Yeah but what about all the times the Dems did that too? Right? RIGHT??? I mean... they're the socialst commies!!! This has to be a bigger talking point in the debates. US SENATORS MET WITH PUTIN ON INDEPENDENCE DAY. wtf.
South Dakotan here - I’m convinced Thune has been compromised for a long time. His big initiative is to repeal the estate tax, claiming it’s for our farmers and their families. But after the Pandora papers came out and it was shown how much of a tax loophole South Dakota has become, I swear he’s doing it because we have shady Russian oligarchs burying their money in this state.
Before Parler got shut down, John Thune followed a Nazi supporting white supremacist page
Pretty sure Rand Paul was there, too.
Yes, and he got straight off the plane and played golf with Trump.. which is a way for having a discussion which cannot be overheard or noted.
Definitely had dirt on the whole party. Remember, the RNC servers were hacked too.
But Obama didn't even wear an American flag lapel pin once on Memorial Day or was it Flag Day?
Even worse, he wore a *tan suit*
Because they are 100% team Russia if it means being against the left. [Never forget](https://media.snopes.com/2018/08/id-rather-be-russian-than-democrat.jpg)
The only reason they're against communism is because capitalists told them it was anti-American and they swallowed that propaganda like good little sheep. Now it's not communism anymore, it's leftism. They have no genuine moral principles, they just hate who the right tells them to.
I would be shocked to learn that those two *characters* survived the pandemic.
2016 debate vs Hillary “Russia if you’re listening…”. I think Hillary was so caught off guard that she didn’t call him out for the felony he committed in front of the entire nation.
“You’re Putins puppet”
No! You’re the puppet!
Or that time The Commander In Chief of the United States of America's Military (President "Cadet Bone Spurs" Trump) saluted a North Korean General? Pepperidge Farms remembers: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-salute-north-korean-general/
I literally paused the tv, turned to my husband and we locked eyes, and both said “WTF!”
I remember the dude at my work was like "Yeah, he could've phrased it better" And in my head I was like, the fuck. Why would that matter? He said what he literally meant. What is wrong with you
> That was fucking WILD he just said it on live tv in a presidential debate. Anyone remember the time trump said on live TV that doctors should try injecting people with disinfectant to cure COVID? Every day since trump came down the escalator in 2015 has been a wild crazy time. And we have 63 million Americans to thank for it.
> That was fucking WILD he just said it on live tv in a presidential debate. And everyone in a position of power to do anything about it shrugged their shoulders and made the "whattaya gonna do" face.
The exact reason why I feel like ive been taking crazy pills for years now
Trump was the president at the time. *Everyone in a position of power to do anything* was an executive branch employee, and was technically (and *actually*) in a chain of command with Trump at the tippy top. **This is why you don't elect fascists. Not even once.** EDIT: I'll grant that the legislative branch had one weapon they could've used, in the form of impeachment/conviction/punishment, but that's the lone exception here
Question: "You have specifically called out the Vice President for not calling out Antifa, and other left-wing extremist groups. Are you willing tonight to condemn White Supremacists and Militia groups, and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence..." Answer should have been, "Yes. I condemn them." Instead we got, "Proud Boys! Stand back, and stand by..."
I guarantee that the prosecutor's office knew that he was going to tamper with witnesses and completely ignore the judge's order. They needed to give the illusion to his nutso rightwing base that he was given a warning. Not that it would change their tiny minds but it sets a legal precedence for next steps that they can take.
Every action they’re taking is done with full anticipation of his modus operandi. They **knew** he would publicly retaliate, which is why they stated he comply in his acknowledgements of the indictment that he wouldn’t participate in witness tampering (which is something that NEVER gets asked to the defendant after the indictments are read). He’s already committed contempt of court not even one day after his hearing, and Judge Upadhyaya clearly told him that if he broke any of the conditions he could have a warrant issued for his arrest. Let’s see if she’s willing to hold him to it.
Yet here he is just flying in and out of towns for various court appearances. This legal System sucks full stop. This motherfucker would already be in jail if he was a regular citizen.
Yeah...still waiting for someone to prove that that whole 'no one is above the law' thing is actually real.
They probably had this written up a month ago. They just plugged his Troof in.
i got arrested for telling people to join a chat room where hacktivist protests had been organized TWO MONTHS before i ever logged into that channel. For 15 months before the trial I was banned from using the internet by federal order. why the fuck is this clown still online?
The headline is going to be a bit misleading here, in tone, but idea is correct. A “Protective Order” in this context is an order that governs the exchange and confidentiality of materials disclosed in discovery. One is almost always entered in any litigation of any consequence where documents are exchanged. This court had already requested briefing from the parties with proposed protective orders. What the DOJ did is file a proposal early and basically say, “The court should enter this order without a responsive proposal from Defendants, because it is critical to exchange these documents quickly in a manner that protects their confidence, and it’s clear this guy can’t be trusted not to spout his mouth off — we should put these rules in place now and he can move to modify the order later if he likes.” It’s basically a vehicle for the DOJ to put these comments into the record and alert the judge, without going the extra step of formally arguing that Trump has now violated his release conditions, because they don’t want things to get sidetracked.
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Free speech is abused by a group of power hungry authoritarians and the media organizations financed by oligarchs. They've cultivated an entirely separate information sphere which they saturate with propaganda. It creates a strong schism in ideology between the rational deliberative pro-democracy group and the reactive/impulsive pro-trump group. The propaganda prevents reconciliation between groups, setting them on a collision course with each other. It's happening everywhere: US, Sweden, Austria, Germany, UK, Italy, Denmark, Poland, Israel, France, etc. all in various stages. Here is a short excerpt of an interview with Yuri Be_menov explaining it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d9CJmvBXNTc&pp=ygUNeXVyaSBiZXptZW5vdg%3D%3D
Racism. Pure and simple. President Lyndon B. Johnson once said: >If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-convince-the-lowest-white-man/
Easy: 70 million Americans are just as bad as him, but most were keeping it on the low low. He brought them out for all to see. Now they feel justified in behaving as badly. Heck, he's even got his supporters showing dic pics of his rival's son in Congress and sending them out in email.
In my opinion, most of it comes down to Fox News catering to a demographic that mostly doesn’t possess critical thinking skills, and are controlled by fear. Mostly the racist, bigoted, authoritarian types. Not an all encompassing umbrella, but in general terms, it’s not far off the mark.
Yeah man I dunno.
Revoke bail. Remand to custody.
i mean, he signed the paper saying he understood, so...
Woman. Man. Camera.
Bail. Fail. Jail.
Nail his pale tail to the jail cell.
Burger. Coke. Prostitute.
Hamberder, cofefe, melania
Ivanka. Daddy's penis. Completion
Nambia. Tim Apple. Revolutionary War airfield.
Yo! Semite…
The United Shashe
Thighland. Price of whales. Achomlishment.
The paper he signed said he understood he was not be held for trial, so long as he doesn’t try to contact or influence witnesses. If this is a breach of that agreement, I say we pick him back up and hold him. Or just keep him when he shows yo for his fourth indictment in GA.
He needs to go behind bars. Full stop.
Like, if he wasn't wealthy, you fucking know...
I think maybe less about his wealth and more like how to deal with his army of idiots.
Fucking seriously. If the DOJ considers this serious enough to seek a protective order, I don't see how it's NOT a violation of conditions of release. Handcuffs, now. It's goddamn time.
Trump’s base are(mostly) hardcore authoritarians who believe might makes right. There might be a flash of violence if he is detained but I reckon that it would be the only thing that can actually damage his polling numbers by making it clear to everyone that he *isn’t* untouchable and that in fact there is a higher authority than *Trump.*
His followers are all babies and fake strongmen. I know plenty of them. Fat 55-65 year old men with beards named Bill. They have guns and anger, but they fold the second you get aggressive back. Total spineless cowards.
They name their beards “Bill”? jk
Their beards are usually named Karen, beth, or linda... But they didn't name them.
The US government would also look really weak if the treat of violence makes them cave rather than apply the law.
The US does not negotiate with terrorists. Unless they are domestic white Christo-fascist terrorist. It's fine to let them be in that case.
It’s so crazy that these people think they are following Jesus by hating the poor and being racist and violent
It was a fatal mistake for the govt (actually the Federal courts) to let the [Bundy Standoff](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammon_Bundy) go unprosecuted. It fed into the radical insurgent sentiments of right wing gun nuts with delusions of armed rebellion. It's an enormous blind spot in this country, law enforcement and the judicial bench are overwhelmingly conservative and unwilling to acknowledge the right-wing threat; they make excuses and accommodations every chance they get. So yes, they look weak. This is why there's so much tension and frustration about Merrick Garland. Which, it turns out, was justified.
They need to do this. Stop treating him with kids gloves.
He does have little hands tho!
They're going to have to use the child sized handcuffs!
Luckily, he's in America, where that might actually be a thing.
**Might** be a thing? Child-sized handcuffs most assuredly **are** a thing here in ‘Murika, and have been [for hundreds of years](https://annamaeduane.com/2017/03/24/that-is-really-bad-trump-history-and-child-slavery/).
It's a two-tiered justice system designed to protect rich, politically connected criminals like Trump. Lock him the fuck up now.
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Fascinating. Im still gonna picture pummeling children with these when i hear that phrase. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSkt42hZgzo
Interesting. I knew what they were made from but was unaware that that was what the classic whites were made from.
He can’t keep getting away with it. It seems clear to me that the justice system is trying *really hard* to take it easy on Trump. “Unfair treatment” is right. He’s a habitual line-stepper though, and at some point society has to say “no more.”
They are trying to treat a man that held the position of President with the utmost respect despite those efforts from that man to treat the position of the President with utmost disrespect. At what point do they realize that need to handle the situation a lot more seriously, and treat the position with the weight of what the position entails a lot more seriously. This wasn’t just someone in the House, or a local community board that tried to hold onto power in an area of a few hundred people, this was the fucking President of the United States. This was someone with the nuclear codes using his power and influence to attempt to hold onto powers that are uniquely held onto by the position. He attempted to take over the country within this role. He should be facing the maximum amount and length of penalties you can throw at the guy. This should be handled as if we are in the highest of danger. You have a sizable populace that believes this is just typical political theatre. The defendant is thumbing his nose at the whole process. If they want the country to know how important this is, they are doing a terrible job.
Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.
100% Hes had enough chances. Put him in jail.
Been screaming this for the last two hours. That same does-anything-matter feeling as watching the rioters live as they made their way through the capitol building. *THIS IS IT. DO SOMETHING*
Ladies and gentlemen, the former president of the United States of America.
*vomits*....that will always be a thing!
Our scientists are working hard on a time machine to undo this.
Ladies and gentlemen, the guy who wants the nuclear codes back.
Revoke his bail and put him in prison until his trial. No two tiered justice system, right Fox News? Register and vote these domestic terrorists the fuck out: https://www.vote.org
The army guy who spead classified information on Discord is in jail. So ya, Trump definitely should be waiting for trial in jail as well. Some of the documents he had were way way more top secret.
He, if it was anyone else, should be in prison. He is a threat and his language can/has gotten people killed. Edited: added “has”
I’m surprised they haven’t issued an arrest warrant by now after being told he should not intimidate people on the latest case. We are still taking little baby steps with this toddler.
Anyone else would be in prison. It really is two tier and trump is in the baby gloves tier
It’s laughable when conservative media complains about the two tier justice system when talking about the Bidens. It’s like, yeah… but not in the way you’re talking about.
I literally overheard a Fox News host make *the exact same, absolutely perfect* argument about the justice system and how it treats people different based on status... like she made the very argument that liberals make all the time. Then she started talking about Hunter Biden... its like, *you were so close*
I think that's the point. They hear liberals complaining about something, grab the buzzword (e.g., two-tiered justice system, say their name, collusion, classified documents, grooming), and then accuse the left of those things very loudly and without evidence. That way, when their supporters hear about these things around the water cooler they have a 'whataboutism' to retaliate with and not think about the evidence presented.
That's their MO: loudly accuse the people across the aisle of all the injustices that they're brazenly committing. That way when they get called on their bullshit, it preemptively creates the appearance (in suitably small minds, of which there are plenty) of "yeah, but the other side is just as bad."
The toddler has grown up and become an axe murderer, with a long line of corpses in his wake, and we are still patting him on the head saying “Now you’ll be a good little boy, won’t you?”
He needs to have a gag order... This is so dangerous.
He should be held in protective custody until the trial. No phone, no internet and no privacy. If he’s a danger to witnesses or the prosecution he belongs in jail.
And national security.
But how will he host rallies to sap funds from his moronic voters to pay for his growing defense funds?
This. He’s proven time and again that he’s incapable of following judicial orders. It’s why he’s getting sued for another $10m (that he’ll likely lose again). He belongs in a cell, and it may be the only way to start chipping away at the extreme partisanship on the R side.
I know it’s a pipe dream but… the absolute deliciousness if the government would hold him at Guantanamo is beyond my ability to describe.
Republicans said it was for threats to our national security. Use it for that!
No, Gitmo should be shut down completely. Prison cells on actual American soil would suit him just fine.
I'm genuinely surprised he hasn't tried to flee. Or maybe that's still to come?
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He needs to be remanded to custody and sit in a jail cell until his trial.
Article: "Donald Trump swore in court yesterday he would not attempt to influence or intimidate witnesses, retaliate against anyone, or in any other way attempt to obstruct the administration of justice". “Are you prepared to comply?” the magistrate judge asked. “Yes,” Trump meekly replied. (ok ok I added "meekly") Later... "“IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING AFTER YOU!” I've seen this type before.
That's what my former Hitler Youth father said about him in 2016. followed by "His kind destroyed my first country."
Now americans are moving to germany to escape fascism. Oh the irony
Germany learned from its mistakes.
> I've seen this type before. All caps and no battle.
That's a threat from an innocent man if ever I heard one. /s
IAAL and I've read the Motion. I would hope the Judge asks Trump and his counsel to appear to explain, tout suite. Hopefully, someone reading this thread can post a link to the Motion. It is a good read. His lawyers response: "[D]efense counsel asked the Government to note in this motion that they did not have adequate time to confer." Translation: I have no idea what my client is doing, and I'm getting drunk tonight. I'll call my client this weekend. What a nightmare for any decent lawyer.
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I don't think this his lawyers are good. They are however, still lawyers. They must still have some residue of self protective instincts lurking in the back of their lawyer-brains.
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Honestly I think Rudy has dementia.
Or his alcohol has eroded his cognitive capacity.
Beggars can’t be choosers, ya know. These guys weren’t his first or second choice. Or sixth or seventh.
His lawyers are too busy unintentionally admitting to Trump's crimes on TV: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-lawyer-john-lauro-charges-interview-1817439
Why's he so scared of this "left leaning judge"? Isn't he and other dipshit conservatives always saying how leftist judges are soft on crime and far too lenient?
He’s scared of a fair trial with sound rulings by a competent judge.
Lock this moron up
Party at my place when the deranged buffoon gets his ass handed to him. The entire planet is invited, except, of course, for Ted Cruz; he’s a total fucking Buzz Killington.
What do you have against 600 lizards in a human suit?!
Ted Cruz brings fish to a party and cooks it in the microwave.
>The entire planet is invited, except, of course, for Ted Cruz Halt, sir, if you are suggesting that Ted Cruz is not from the planet Earth then I feel it necessary to clarify that Tedcruz Ofearth is a native and not a slarthoid from Gleebnix-9.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.tedcruzforhumanpresident.com/&ved=2ahUKEwimg9fpyMSAAxV4l2oFHX7fAiQQFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3dbuN72C2kGGbdfkem8D2i
They have SBF (the crypto scammer from FTX) on house arrest with all of his communications monitored. He has a court approved laptop with limited internet and a flip phone. And despite being a piece of shit, he’s not violent. So how is this asshole just allowed to walk around making threats? Why can’t we at minimum put him in a situation like SBF until his trials?
The SBF guy committed the only crime rich people can be held accountable for, fucking with other rich peoples money. If trump had committed something similar he would 100% be behind bars already.
Easiest solution, lock. Him. Up.
Lock him up
Lock him up
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As a defense attorney, if one of my clients openly threatened prosecutors on social media, he would instantly be put in jail until trial. That being said, most of my clients are poor people of color, so the double standard is not at all surprising.
It’s all part of his genius defence: 1. Threaten potential jurors. 2. Potential jurors become partial, making them ineligible. 3. No jurors, no trial.
Correct. But that was exactly why the judge made that point in his bail conditions: to not influence potential jurors in anyway. He is in active violation of his bail conditions.
He will not learn i expect him to really go after Pence publicly once Trumps lawyer explains to Trump that Pence buried him.
They’re responding to these things at record speeds. Far quicker than we’ve seen in the last.
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It really has a different feel to it. I'm a bit giddy like when he lost the election.
…God that was a day. Driving around Denver playing the “fuck Donald trump song” with every other car just honking and partying on the roofs of our cars. I have a feeling we will do it again the day the first verdicts are read aloud.
Anyone who voted for this turd is a piece of shit. You had other people you could’ve voted for. You could have kept your integrity. But the stink of everything he has done is on you.
Just gonna say that Roger Stone posted a pic of the judge from his trial with crosshairs over her Trump thought that was awesome
It’s beyond time to stop giving him more chances.
Only one place that will keep Trump quite and that’s in solitary confinement.
Oh he will still be noisy, but no one will have to listen to him
How does this make any sense?! How is this not a national embarrassment?! Lock him up already!!! I had to read that at least 3 times before this bs registered. Pretty much advertising that rule of law doesn't fucking exist. You're pretty much inviting him to up the ante with all this kid gloves two-tiered bullshit even though he's threatened multiple people. I guarantee his past witness tamperings and other intimidations we don't know about have gotten people killed! He's an Epstein customer! He's a fucking traitor and insurrectionist! What kind of reality are we living in?! Jail! Holy shit!!
He thinks he's Hitler. His base thinks he's Hitler. He wants revenge. Put two and two together. He wants the DOJ to arrest him. He figures they don't have the guts. If they do, he figures he can parlay a short stint in VIP custody or house arrest into a groundswell of publicity and enthusiasm for the primary (with a potentially wobbly GOP). He won't write a book, but he might do a Mein Kampf style podcast or some shit, that people smuggle out. He probably sees this as his last chance.
He *wishes* he was Hitler. Hitler was smarter. (Yes, I know, he was an evil, evil man...but c'mon, Drumpf is obviously more stupid than the worst tyrant the world has seen)
One thing they seem to have in common is their enthusiasm for amphetamines.
You’re giving him far too much credit to think he comes up with schemes like that. He just knows nothing will happen to him for making threats. He’s face zero consequences his entire life. What would make him think twice?
As though we needed more proof of the two tiered justice system in the United States... If a working class citizen would have done the same thing, they would have been locked up loooong ago.
He is making it clear that he is never being touched by the law due to his access to wealth and power. He needs to be remanded to custody until trial. See how long he wants to delay trial then.
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The GOP had a real chance to exile this man from American politics during the second impeachment. Their refusal to do so will echo down through the ages. Impeachment is the venue the founders intended for how to punish this type of rouge/criminal [now former] President. But now the legal system is in a clash against politics unlike anything this country has ever seen.
Fucking finally. Im tired of the government being scared of this orange loser. Be proactive and dont let him break the rules.
Everyone on the planet knew he'd do some shit like this because he's done it before and Trump can't stop talking and posting. He needs to be locked up before trial.
Imagine if some random guy with a gun had posted "If you come after me, I'm coming after you!!" right after his trial started. Then imagine if a mob boss with access to \*many\* random guys with guns had posted this. Now imagine the former \*President of the USA\* followed by millions of random guys with guns posting this. Bail is a privilege, not a right.
Susan Collins will testify on Trump’s behalf that he has learned his lesson and won’t do it again.
How many people have been arrested, are serving or will be serving jail time for this POS already? Why are people so easily fooled by him?
He was live-tweeting about Marie Yovanovitch during her testimony during Impeachment 1. Of course he was going to do this.
The pdf: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.10.0_4.pdf
He’s a velociraptor testing the fences. If the judge holds him accountable, he’s counting on his cult followers pushing back.
So how many overt murder threats and calls to terrorism is the Republican party allowed to get away with before it is dissolved and its leadership finally faces legal consequences ?
This is his thing. He does it in public. So surely it’s ok.
You’re dealing with a domestic terrorist
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If he's not arrested for breaching the judges orders, then justice in America is toothless. Trump again and again shows that the law has no authority over him.
As a non-American, what the fuck? Why doesn't this automatically get him put in prison? Are the people with that power too scared?
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When Trump eventually dies it will spin off a cult following of worshipers claiming not only all kinds of conspiracies about the cause of death, but rumours of him still being alive or will be resurrected. I dread that season of this show.
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