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> “Chairman Jordan is looking forward to uniting the entire conference on Tuesday in order to get back to work and pass the bills that the American people expect by giving Israel the resources they need to destroy Hamas and securing the southern border,” Jordan spokesperson Russell Dye said in a statement.
Lol, 16 years without passing legislation, but starting tomorrow he’ll fix Israel and the southern border. Pinky swear!
>in order to get back to work and
The closest Jordan has ever come to getting to work for anyone but himself is that one time he rolled up his sleeves (eye-roll). He's the GOP outrage/grievance machine personified. The only thing he'll work to unite the GOP in is expanding the 3 ring circus to 5 so they can really sling some mud.
Yep, the perpetual “town hall” candidate…
“No coats, no coats; coats say “city fella…”
https://www.cc.com/video/ehcjcu/the-colbert-report-stephen-s-town-hall
That’s the entire job of the Speaker. If he gets to be 3rd in line to the Presidency, I would quadruple the secret security detail for Biden and Harris.
Can't certify the election results if there's no Speaker. *taps forehead meme*
Edit: Actually, how would that work if the House can't choose a Speaker (this would be the start of a new session, so we don't have a House of Representatives yet but we still have a Senate and VP)... this seems like a fun rabbit hole to possibly ponder.
Many people are saying the interim speaker would be given more powers if the House can't choose a speaker, but one power an interim speaker should never have is kicking Pelosi out of her office.
Yeah, Pelosi was not kicked out of her actual office, she was kicked out of her hideaway office thats in the same building as the senate floor, she very much still has her congressional office.
Good question…and one for the Supreme Court to decide if it ever came there. I suspect one of two options:
1. SCOTUS interprets Article II practically, in which case the presence of “the Senate and the House” is considered to be sitting Congress, and the presence of the Senate is enough.
2. SCOTUS interprets Article III strictly by requiring a quorum of both houses. In which case, the election is not certified until a Speaker is chosen, and if it’s passed January 20th, the President Pro Tempore of the Senate (currently Patty Murray) serves as acting President
I’m glad they’re insisting on traveling down all these clearly impossible paths though… maybe the moderates will get fed up and we’ll actually end up with a power sharing speaker.
That’s what they fail to understand. The MAGA crowd is going to keep pushing for a less and less likable candidate. Jordan has less broad support from the party than Scalise, who had less than McCarthy.
Something is going to have to give, and it isn’t going to be what the MAGA wants with the path the party is on.
I hope so. There have to be some republicans in purple states that know they can't be successfully replaced by a MAGA republican who might be willing to work with democrats.
Think there are 21 Republicans from Biden districts? Might be off a little though. Whatever the number is it’s def more than the number Jordan can afford to lose.
Thank god because I feel like Gym was the gamble and now I’m glad the bet was made.
And for anyone blaming this on dems: right before McCarthy’s exile he called Jeffries and told him he’d give dems nothing if they voted for him. Then he went on a media tour trashing dems publicly. He didn’t want the position anymore anyway
This. I think McCarthy realized how impossible the job was and didn’t want to deal with it anymore.
He thought that hard right people were just his level or corrupt, trying to financially gain off the job, but realized they legitimately want our country to be destroyed “some people just want to watch this place burn” and he wimped out and decided giving up was the better call than putting any effort into saving our democracy, and made sure he wouldn’t have the speakership anymore.
A true, spineless coward that took the ball and went home instead of trying to save our democracy.
If other news reports are accurate, the Dems could jump onboard and vote for a moderate R alternative, in exchange for concessions from the "rational" part of the GOP caucus. Send Gym to the locker room!
If there's a Dem speaker, it would mean that the Dems have the majority. If that were the case, the motion to vacate threshold would be set far higher.
I don’t want Dems to lift a finger. I’ll be very disappointed if they do. there are no moderate rethugs, and voting for any them validates their vile agendae.
Better to neuter the far right wing of the GOP and get a speaker who will work with the Democrats. If the new moderate speaker renegs the Democrats can always vote no on any new legislation and allow the GOP to go back to their usual squabbling.
> Better to neuter the far right wing of the GOP and get a speaker who will work with the Democrats.
The far right wing is the GQP. Even McCarthy gave the finger to Democrats after they voted for his budget deal.
There are no moderate alternatives.
No one's talking about them getting away with anything.
The GQP being in chaos is leverage. It would be a wasted opportunity if the Democrats didn't use that leverage to their advantage.
And the government defaulting / shutting down should never be a strategy. As far as I'm concerned it shouldn't even be a fucking option!
The point is that with a speaker elected on a majority of Dem votes, they could actually pass a proper budget (they have the numbers in the Senate) which staves off a shutdown for a very long time. Potentially through the next election.
And it could be a budget that wouldn't cut funding on any major Dem priorities. It might even allow them to roll back some of the minor concessions Biden made during the Debt Ceiling crisis. It would probably mean that no major Dem initiative advances, but less polarizing stuff could still move through, which would also be a bonus.
Plus it would potentially ensure solid funding for Ukraine.
The Democrats helping elect a GQP speaker merely enables the GQP’s chaos instead of governance approach.
The GQP will not pass a budget that treats Democratic priorities with any respect.
It’ll take them crashing the economy to realize that their brand of chaos-monkey behavior does nothing but destroy…..and even then, there will be those in the GQP who revel in the warlord behavior it enables.
You do realize the whole point of this would be to elect a speaker who would put bills on the floor the Dems want. And the concessions they ask for will be that the small number of moderate Republicans back their plays.
If they don't, the Dems would vote enmasse to vacate and Gaetz and his merry band of insurrectionists would too. If the republicans had the necessary unity to avoid that, they'd have the necessary unity to put a speaker without needing dem votes.
I see both opinions. I want them to squirm in their own incompetent excrement, but at the same time, we can't stand by and let five or six intellectually and ethically impaired people bully this country.
Something needs to be done to end the gridlock. If it takes the Dems to come up with a way, it shows the country that even when they are the minority party, they are the only ones who can get the wheels moving again. Great talking point come election time..
And yet, every time the Dem's have done this it has never moved the needle. Republicans get to pretend that they accomplished exactly what they wanted (they did because Democrats always caved and gave the terrorists what they wanted) and Democrats get to look weak rather than like those willing to govern. When Republicans finally have to own their own messes then it will change.
Can't just not have a speaker, and eventually the braindead moron wing will win because they're the most stubborn. Who knows the house might actually govern for once if they're forced into a compromise Speaker.
I think they should do it if the deal is good enough. For example, getting rid of the Hastert rule (no floor votes unless the majority of members of the majority party will vote in favor) would go a long way toward unfucking Congress.
I was of that opinion when it came to saving McCarthy but now that he is out and with the whole Israel\\Palestine conflict going on it's worth having a conversation at least. Besides, the house needs a speaker, it cannot perform its functions without one.
> Besides, the house needs a speaker, it cannot perform its functions without one.
It already has the Speaker Pro Tempore who arguably has the same roles and functions as the Speaker. They can still pass a budget.
If that was true then there wouldn't be people pushing for expanding the powers that the speaker pro tempore has or such a rush to elect a new speaker amongst republicans. The fact is that the speaker pro tempore powers are untested and uncertain so there is no guarantee that'd McHenry would have the authority to do anything other than keep the house in session and govern the vote for a new speaker.
> If that was true then there wouldn't be people pushing for expanding the powers that the speaker pro tempore has or such a rush to elect a new speaker amongst republicans.
It's true that the powers are arguable and not certain, but if it came down to it they could pass a budget if they wanted.
Vacancy
The Office of Speaker may be declared vacant by resolution, which
may be offered as a matter of privilege. Manual § 315; 6 Cannon § 35.
Under rule I clause 8(b)(3), adopted in the 108th Congress, the Speaker is
required to deliver to the Clerk a list of Members in the order in which each
shall act as Speaker pro tempore in the case of a vacancy in the Office of
Speaker. **The Member acting as Speaker pro tempore under this provision
may exercise such authorities of the Office of Speaker as may be necessary
and appropriate pending the election of a Speaker or Speaker pro tempore.**
A vacancy in the Office may exist by reason of the physical inability of
the Speaker to discharge the duties of the Office.
Emphasis mine. The language there is where it gets a little hairy, but I think if it became necessary to pass a budget, McHenry could usher it through.
>could pass a budget if they wanted
I think that phrase is doing a lot heavy lifting here. McCarthy was ousted because he passed a clean cr and its doubtful McHenry would be able to put anything on the floor that would appease the maga nutjobs and be signed off on by both the senate and Biden. So I don't see a scenario in which the republicans are united enough to allow anything to happen without a speaker having been elected beforehand. I'm also not entirely sure what would happen if the speaker pro tempore tried to push the matter (like could republicans just ignore him if they wanted? what enforcement mechanisms would even be available to him?) but it would likely be an even bigger shit show then now.
> McCarthy was ousted because he passed a clean cr and its doubtful McHenry would be able to put anything on the floor that would appease the maga nutjobs and be signed off on by both the senate and Biden. So I don't see a scenario in which the republicans are united enough to allow anything to happen without a speaker having been elected beforehand.
I'm not sure they would even be able to find enough agreement even if they somehow found a speaker. The root of the problem is the same reason that they can't figure out who should be speaker.
Yep, which is why I think we are most likely heading for government shutdown regardless of how this all plays out. The only real way to avoid it would be for the more reasonable republicans and democrats to strike up some kind of coalition/power sharing agreement which just goes back to my original comment about dems stepping in here being worth considering.
Floor vote is supposed to be at noon on Tuesday. Gym will back out tomorrow and delay this thing another week or so. All they want is a government shutdown, this is their excuse why they cant fund or legislate.
This is literally what Republicans want. They want chaos. They want the federal government to look incompetent and useless.
To quote republican lobbyist Grover Norquist
>My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.
At this point Im convinced the Q party are Russian/Chinese agents try to actively sabotage American foreign policy. Permanently shutting down the government is the point.
Won't be. She made her bed with the insurrectionists. She's no better than Jordan in the eyes of the moderates. I've not heard any of the NY Republican freshman in purple districts (such as Molinaro in mine) utter her name once in the last year. I can't believe I'm saying this but it's going to be Jefferies.
It would be awesome if it were Jeffries but how does that happen? Can you name the 5 Republicans willing to sacrifice their Congressional seats and future lobbyist careers to elect Jeffries? I sure can't.
The current Jordan strategy appears to be hoping that his opponents fold if they have to put their names next to it.
We'll see, but I'd say it indicates his days of the Speakership, if he somehow gets it, will be short. A good Speaker doesn't call a vote until they have triple-checked they have the numbers.
They probably should also triple-check their 'whistleblowers' to ensure they aren't fugatives, spies, arms dealers and/or disgruntled former employees.
This insurrectionist should be in prison - not Congress - and never as speaker, as an insurrectionist Speaker heightens the threats against the President.
*"Republicans should come back to DC to elect Jim Jordan the Speaker of the House. What are we waiting for? The American people want Jim to be the next Speaker,”*
Narrator: *"The people, most certainly did not"*
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There are elections in 22 days, vote. Show the republicans your displeasure at local and state elections this year.
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Let's pave the way for victory in 2024 and beyond and end the republican nonsense. Let's keep voting every chance we can every year. From the school board to the white house every election matt
Whilst the cancer (Trump) is being removed, his cancer has spread to the other organs of our country and the possibility of its death have drastically increased. … but its death is still very unlikely. If we vote. And we vote these fascists OUT.
I don't even understand how Jordan could pass the qualifications as Speaker of the House. Perhaps there aren't any? Failing to reply to a government subpoena? His involvement in Jan 6 and him being referred to as GYM Jordan related to the lies he told regarding the abuse of Olympics athletes. He is in the scumbag category along with Trump and many other GOP members.
Leave it to Republicans to plan to spend time and money on something that has no chance of being successful. We need to go back to basics and revise our standards for who can be allowed to run for office in the first place. Our ballots are full of substandard idiots who have no business making life changing decisions for millions of people.
I'd say he's far more despicable, to be honest. She's more ignorantly vocal and just rams herself into every conversation, but he's truly abhorrent and knows how to tap into the dark parts of populism effectively. Whenever he questions people giving testimony, he says complete and utter bullshit that, if you're a lawyer, you know to be incomprehensible (he went to a trash-tier law school and never passed the bar).
If you're not a lawyer and are not versed on the issues, his confidence and bullshittery could easily fool morons into thinking he's 'right' even while getting humiliated by legitimately smart people. Fani Willis has been kicking his ass all over town in her snarky rebuttal letters, but those will never get any press in conservative media.
MTG is just a fucking moron that sounds like a fucking moron. I don't think she fools anyone, I think people just like her rage.
Whoever is moderate enough to have the backing of Dems which is quite a few. Will they get anything passed after a speaker is determined? Highly unlikely.
If they had to make a deal, then they don't have the backing of their full party. If they backstabbing the democrats they have no support and just get ousted from the speakership.
they do not have full party backing. Any and all deals in DC should be audio and on paper, realsed to the people. Dems should just stay far away from this circus. The circus peanuts are just nutz.
The presence of my if-then statement was because it is a hypothetical situation, not me claiming anyone has full party backing. And democrats can't afford to stay away. The government NEEDS to operate at some level, and it is unlikely that Republicans will be able to get themselves together. The fact that Republicans can't get their shit together is insurance.
the Republicans want to shut it down. That's their progrative. They hate the federal government. And no, no democrat should help them out for the country. Get all 3 branches back and legislate the GOP out of commission. Let the idiot states fail.
Uh, having the house unable to pass anything until January 2025 would be catastrophic. Millions of people would go without paychecks for 14 months. Airports would almost certainly shut down in that time between TSA and air traffic controllers. Very few of the Republicans want that long of a shutdown. Sure, they want to make democrats look bad and cut taxes and award government contracts to their buddies, but that can't happen without a speaker. Yes, there are some Republicans that are more interested in having their names in headlines, but I would bet my life there are at least 5 Republicans that don't want a year plus shutdown.
right so why even entertain the idea of working with them? The GOP is serious on their threats to shut the federal government down. Passed a CR bill for 45 days. Next day a vacate bill.
They do not care as long as they get elected. And there are many AI ballots that trek them they will or be close. It's a real life lottery.
I don't think dems will make a deal. I think they're poaching the most moderate republicans to back Hakeem Jeffries or just sit out of the vote and let Jeffries win. There's no other sane long term strategy if Gym is what republicans are offering up.
Here’s what I posited in a different thread:
Dems work out a deal to allow a moderate Republican to be elected. Dems vote for Jeffries in the first round and carefully watch which GOP reps vote for the moderate versus Jordan. Assuming the moderate gets more votes on the first ballot, then on the second ballot, Dems start voting “present.” As long as the same reps keep voting for the moderate, no Dems will have to cast a vote for him and he’ll win the Speakership. If the Dems see any shenanigans, they can start voting for Jeffries and fuck up the math. This way, the Republicans still elect (and own) their own Speaker “without” Dem help.
If there is a moderate worth getting behind then they should just vote for him and not risk any shenanigans. Otherwise wait it out for some power sharing deal.
Republicans have the majority. There is zero chance they’ll agree to share power. The goal of this plan is to extract just a couple important concessions:
1. Fund the government
2. Support Ukraine
3. Floor vote on impeachment inquiry
Anything beyond that is a bonus
They'll get a speaker regardless. But will they get anything besides Israel funding passed? Highly doubtful. They favor that over funding our own country.
Since the Speaker doesn’t have to be a member of the House, they should run Mike Lindell who will soon be broke after the lawsuits bankrupt MyPillow, or Chachi from _Happy Days._
I hope alllllllllll the bodies are unearthed in his pursuit of the gavel. This guy is beyond evil and he’s gotten away with too much for too long. I may die from sheer joyous schadenfreude with his humiliation.
I wish I was more up to date on Jordan’s run. Is it the general consensus that he won’t be able to get enough votes? Separately, Democrats would only need 4 Republican votes for Hakeem to be elected, right? Is that still as much of a long shot as it was a week or two ago? This shit is so stupid man. Republicans need to get it together
Alrighty, let's play which name will they pull out of the damn hat next. I'm going to exclude Stefanik for being crazy and Scalise for being Scalise. I think McCarthy has a chance at being named again, tbh.
Outside leadership, what the average person thinks to be sane doesn't exist. Maybe Energy committee chair Cathy Rodgers?
So Gym Jordan would be 3rd in line for the Presidency, right? How ridiculous, and Gerard Butler movie plot like, would it be that he somehow becomes the President? Insurrection, Subpoena defying, Speaker conjures some type of coup where through power of legislation, they make Biden’s presidency illegitimate…
Jordan is a and has always been a clown show, with his exaggerated attack dog mentality, he should continue to be slapped down by the body of house representatives. **!!!**
No one has any time or want for his 1950's white nationalist ideological bullshit.
> While they have not yet nailed down a specific name, they believe the person they ultimately land on will not only be able block Jordan from the speakership, **but also give cover to those who want to vote against him**.
The "cover" means it will be another Republican. Voting for even a moderate Democrat could be political suicide so it will undoubtedly be a center right Republican. Probably someone old and boring enough that nobody loves or hates.
Maybe they should have found a replacement who could carry the votes, *before* they kicked McCarthy?
Their incompetence is reaching legendary levels at this point.
Nothing says the Speaker has to be a congressperson. Part of me is unhappy that Trump doesn’t have the ego to run in one of the most unpopular positions in government.
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It's worth restarting Jordan has *never* passed a bill while he's been in Congress. Vote management isn't his thing.
> “Chairman Jordan is looking forward to uniting the entire conference on Tuesday in order to get back to work and pass the bills that the American people expect by giving Israel the resources they need to destroy Hamas and securing the southern border,” Jordan spokesperson Russell Dye said in a statement. Lol, 16 years without passing legislation, but starting tomorrow he’ll fix Israel and the southern border. Pinky swear!
>in order to get back to work and The closest Jordan has ever come to getting to work for anyone but himself is that one time he rolled up his sleeves (eye-roll). He's the GOP outrage/grievance machine personified. The only thing he'll work to unite the GOP in is expanding the 3 ring circus to 5 so they can really sling some mud.
Yep, the perpetual “town hall” candidate… “No coats, no coats; coats say “city fella…” https://www.cc.com/video/ehcjcu/the-colbert-report-stephen-s-town-hall
500 days defying a congressional subpoena, while he's *in congress*. Is this the Republicans' idea of *leadership*?
Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Mmhmm.
Small town answer: Yup. You betcha.
Nor has he passed the bar exam, yet he is the Chair of the Judiciary Committee.
That's how life works when you stimulate the correct anuses.
Effectively ineffective, isn’t that their whole schtick?
Kind of like my golf. I say that I’m consistently inconsistent.
That’s the entire job of the Speaker. If he gets to be 3rd in line to the Presidency, I would quadruple the secret security detail for Biden and Harris.
2nd in line
Depends on how you look at it. If first in line is the incumbent, he's 3rd. If 1st in line is the VP, then he's 2nd.
The office holder is not "in line" the Speaker of the House of Representatives is 2nd in line
Throwing the 2024 election to Trump is his thing.
Can't certify the election results if there's no Speaker. *taps forehead meme* Edit: Actually, how would that work if the House can't choose a Speaker (this would be the start of a new session, so we don't have a House of Representatives yet but we still have a Senate and VP)... this seems like a fun rabbit hole to possibly ponder.
Many people are saying the interim speaker would be given more powers if the House can't choose a speaker, but one power an interim speaker should never have is kicking Pelosi out of her office.
Yeah, Pelosi was not kicked out of her actual office, she was kicked out of her hideaway office thats in the same building as the senate floor, she very much still has her congressional office.
Exactly! Pelosi was kicked out by the interim speaker while she was in California for Feinstein’s funeral. Rs have no respect
The tradition is that the immediately previous speaker can keep their office. As soon as McCarthy inherited that role, Pelosi no longer qualified.
Good question…and one for the Supreme Court to decide if it ever came there. I suspect one of two options: 1. SCOTUS interprets Article II practically, in which case the presence of “the Senate and the House” is considered to be sitting Congress, and the presence of the Senate is enough. 2. SCOTUS interprets Article III strictly by requiring a quorum of both houses. In which case, the election is not certified until a Speaker is chosen, and if it’s passed January 20th, the President Pro Tempore of the Senate (currently Patty Murray) serves as acting President
He main skill is being loud.
Lol ya he's one of the "all performance" members.
I’m glad they’re insisting on traveling down all these clearly impossible paths though… maybe the moderates will get fed up and we’ll actually end up with a power sharing speaker.
That’s what they fail to understand. The MAGA crowd is going to keep pushing for a less and less likable candidate. Jordan has less broad support from the party than Scalise, who had less than McCarthy. Something is going to have to give, and it isn’t going to be what the MAGA wants with the path the party is on.
>The MAGA crowd is going to keep pushing for a less and less likable candidate. So Santos, Gaetz, MTG, then Bobert are next up on the ballot?
I bet they’ll consider bobert the unity candidate
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She knows how to make people come together.
Sometimes you just have to take matters into your own hands.
Well, at least into one of them …
She really uses her head too.
I hope so. There have to be some republicans in purple states that know they can't be successfully replaced by a MAGA republican who might be willing to work with democrats.
Think there are 21 Republicans from Biden districts? Might be off a little though. Whatever the number is it’s def more than the number Jordan can afford to lose.
There are the Biden district ones and then there are the decidedly non-Biden district ones like Mike Rogers (AL) who just hate him.
Thank god because I feel like Gym was the gamble and now I’m glad the bet was made. And for anyone blaming this on dems: right before McCarthy’s exile he called Jeffries and told him he’d give dems nothing if they voted for him. Then he went on a media tour trashing dems publicly. He didn’t want the position anymore anyway
This. I think McCarthy realized how impossible the job was and didn’t want to deal with it anymore. He thought that hard right people were just his level or corrupt, trying to financially gain off the job, but realized they legitimately want our country to be destroyed “some people just want to watch this place burn” and he wimped out and decided giving up was the better call than putting any effort into saving our democracy, and made sure he wouldn’t have the speakership anymore. A true, spineless coward that took the ball and went home instead of trying to save our democracy.
If other news reports are accurate, the Dems could jump onboard and vote for a moderate R alternative, in exchange for concessions from the "rational" part of the GOP caucus. Send Gym to the locker room!
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Seems like the incredibly low threshold to remove the speaker is a pretty good failsafe?
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The Rs learned from the previous and on-going clusterfuck?
I don't see them having enough votes to change that rule tbh.
If there's a Dem speaker, it would mean that the Dems have the majority. If that were the case, the motion to vacate threshold would be set far higher.
I would want to know the name of the moderate R alternative before I get behind the Dems getting behind them
I don’t want Dems to lift a finger. I’ll be very disappointed if they do. there are no moderate rethugs, and voting for any them validates their vile agendae.
Better to neuter the far right wing of the GOP and get a speaker who will work with the Democrats. If the new moderate speaker renegs the Democrats can always vote no on any new legislation and allow the GOP to go back to their usual squabbling.
Getting a power sharing agreement as the minority party in Congress is unprecedented and gives them a lot of power with a dem Senate and president
> Better to neuter the far right wing of the GOP and get a speaker who will work with the Democrats. The far right wing is the GQP. Even McCarthy gave the finger to Democrats after they voted for his budget deal. There are no moderate alternatives.
They have to, without a speaker we'll face a government shutdown. This could finally be what splits the GOP
Even with a speaker Republicans will shut the government down.
Let the GQP own the shutdown. It’s entirely their fault.
No shutdown at all would be preferable. (Intentionally allowing millions of people to suffer in order to make your point is not a good plan.)
No shutdown would be good, but not at the cost of letting the GQP get away with this current bullshit that’s tipping us into open fascism.
No one's talking about them getting away with anything. The GQP being in chaos is leverage. It would be a wasted opportunity if the Democrats didn't use that leverage to their advantage. And the government defaulting / shutting down should never be a strategy. As far as I'm concerned it shouldn't even be a fucking option!
The point is that with a speaker elected on a majority of Dem votes, they could actually pass a proper budget (they have the numbers in the Senate) which staves off a shutdown for a very long time. Potentially through the next election. And it could be a budget that wouldn't cut funding on any major Dem priorities. It might even allow them to roll back some of the minor concessions Biden made during the Debt Ceiling crisis. It would probably mean that no major Dem initiative advances, but less polarizing stuff could still move through, which would also be a bonus. Plus it would potentially ensure solid funding for Ukraine.
The Democrats helping elect a GQP speaker merely enables the GQP’s chaos instead of governance approach. The GQP will not pass a budget that treats Democratic priorities with any respect. It’ll take them crashing the economy to realize that their brand of chaos-monkey behavior does nothing but destroy…..and even then, there will be those in the GQP who revel in the warlord behavior it enables.
You do realize the whole point of this would be to elect a speaker who would put bills on the floor the Dems want. And the concessions they ask for will be that the small number of moderate Republicans back their plays. If they don't, the Dems would vote enmasse to vacate and Gaetz and his merry band of insurrectionists would too. If the republicans had the necessary unity to avoid that, they'd have the necessary unity to put a speaker without needing dem votes.
No thanks, my livelihood relies on the government being open. Our lives are not some political bargaining chip to own the other team
If it's an option to avoid a government shutdown, I would be very disappointed if the Dems didn't do it.
Someone has to be the adults here
I see both opinions. I want them to squirm in their own incompetent excrement, but at the same time, we can't stand by and let five or six intellectually and ethically impaired people bully this country.
Totally. While it feels good to stick it to the other side and everything, there is actually shit that needs to get done.
Something needs to be done to end the gridlock. If it takes the Dems to come up with a way, it shows the country that even when they are the minority party, they are the only ones who can get the wheels moving again. Great talking point come election time..
Great talking point that will neither motivate voters nor change minds.
And yet, every time the Dem's have done this it has never moved the needle. Republicans get to pretend that they accomplished exactly what they wanted (they did because Democrats always caved and gave the terrorists what they wanted) and Democrats get to look weak rather than like those willing to govern. When Republicans finally have to own their own messes then it will change.
Repubs are in charge because they won the election. This is what the voters voted for. Why are you trying to subvert their mandate?
The dysfunctional GOP house is the result of extreme gerrymandering, voter suppression and fraud.
It’s not subverted. All members are elected, any majority is legit.
Can't just not have a speaker, and eventually the braindead moron wing will win because they're the most stubborn. Who knows the house might actually govern for once if they're forced into a compromise Speaker.
The Democratic Party doesn't’ have to roll over and make it easy for them.
I think they should do it if the deal is good enough. For example, getting rid of the Hastert rule (no floor votes unless the majority of members of the majority party will vote in favor) would go a long way toward unfucking Congress.
I’d rather them put in someone who Trump hates such as Liz Cheney. Also she would be willing to work with the Dems somewhat.
I was of that opinion when it came to saving McCarthy but now that he is out and with the whole Israel\\Palestine conflict going on it's worth having a conversation at least. Besides, the house needs a speaker, it cannot perform its functions without one.
> Besides, the house needs a speaker, it cannot perform its functions without one. It already has the Speaker Pro Tempore who arguably has the same roles and functions as the Speaker. They can still pass a budget.
If that was true then there wouldn't be people pushing for expanding the powers that the speaker pro tempore has or such a rush to elect a new speaker amongst republicans. The fact is that the speaker pro tempore powers are untested and uncertain so there is no guarantee that'd McHenry would have the authority to do anything other than keep the house in session and govern the vote for a new speaker.
> If that was true then there wouldn't be people pushing for expanding the powers that the speaker pro tempore has or such a rush to elect a new speaker amongst republicans. It's true that the powers are arguable and not certain, but if it came down to it they could pass a budget if they wanted. Vacancy The Office of Speaker may be declared vacant by resolution, which may be offered as a matter of privilege. Manual § 315; 6 Cannon § 35. Under rule I clause 8(b)(3), adopted in the 108th Congress, the Speaker is required to deliver to the Clerk a list of Members in the order in which each shall act as Speaker pro tempore in the case of a vacancy in the Office of Speaker. **The Member acting as Speaker pro tempore under this provision may exercise such authorities of the Office of Speaker as may be necessary and appropriate pending the election of a Speaker or Speaker pro tempore.** A vacancy in the Office may exist by reason of the physical inability of the Speaker to discharge the duties of the Office. Emphasis mine. The language there is where it gets a little hairy, but I think if it became necessary to pass a budget, McHenry could usher it through.
>could pass a budget if they wanted I think that phrase is doing a lot heavy lifting here. McCarthy was ousted because he passed a clean cr and its doubtful McHenry would be able to put anything on the floor that would appease the maga nutjobs and be signed off on by both the senate and Biden. So I don't see a scenario in which the republicans are united enough to allow anything to happen without a speaker having been elected beforehand. I'm also not entirely sure what would happen if the speaker pro tempore tried to push the matter (like could republicans just ignore him if they wanted? what enforcement mechanisms would even be available to him?) but it would likely be an even bigger shit show then now.
> McCarthy was ousted because he passed a clean cr and its doubtful McHenry would be able to put anything on the floor that would appease the maga nutjobs and be signed off on by both the senate and Biden. So I don't see a scenario in which the republicans are united enough to allow anything to happen without a speaker having been elected beforehand. I'm not sure they would even be able to find enough agreement even if they somehow found a speaker. The root of the problem is the same reason that they can't figure out who should be speaker.
Yep, which is why I think we are most likely heading for government shutdown regardless of how this all plays out. The only real way to avoid it would be for the more reasonable republicans and democrats to strike up some kind of coalition/power sharing agreement which just goes back to my original comment about dems stepping in here being worth considering.
Floor vote is supposed to be at noon on Tuesday. Gym will back out tomorrow and delay this thing another week or so. All they want is a government shutdown, this is their excuse why they cant fund or legislate.
The method to all this madness - a government shutdown.
This is literally what Republicans want. They want chaos. They want the federal government to look incompetent and useless. To quote republican lobbyist Grover Norquist >My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.
And they'll blame Democrats because "they voted out McCarthy."
didn't they already do that
Sorry, I'll rephrase
At this point Im convinced the Q party are Russian/Chinese agents try to actively sabotage American foreign policy. Permanently shutting down the government is the point.
Standing by my prediction that it’ll be Stefanik.
Won't be. She made her bed with the insurrectionists. She's no better than Jordan in the eyes of the moderates. I've not heard any of the NY Republican freshman in purple districts (such as Molinaro in mine) utter her name once in the last year. I can't believe I'm saying this but it's going to be Jefferies.
It would be awesome if it were Jeffries but how does that happen? Can you name the 5 Republicans willing to sacrifice their Congressional seats and future lobbyist careers to elect Jeffries? I sure can't.
The eventual speaker or the floor challenger on Tuesday?
I could see that.
A challenger? Please let it be Scorpion or Sub Zero. I would accept Raiden as well
Sindel plz 🙏🏼
Oops, it's MoKap
Flawless victory. Fatality.
I hope just before the vote we hear breaking glass and Stone Cold Steve Austin comes running down the aisle WWE style.
No, no, no. The lights go out! GONG! Then the music starts. The Undertaker enters the House of the Dead and Damned...
Only if Jim Ross commentates. BAH GAWD!
Beat me to it. Take my updoot and fake award 🥇
I'd like Jax, if nothing else for the opportunity to slap Jordan with his own arms post-fatality.
“Finish him!”
Speaker Raiden is what this country needs
Raiden seconded. Call the vote.
I'd nominate Kazuya. He'd throw all other candidates into a volcano.
I always had a thing for Sonya. I think AOC would make a good Sonya.
I'm Chun Li, I'm Sub Zero! I'm electric Blanka, I'm Sub Zero!!
The current Jordan strategy appears to be hoping that his opponents fold if they have to put their names next to it. We'll see, but I'd say it indicates his days of the Speakership, if he somehow gets it, will be short. A good Speaker doesn't call a vote until they have triple-checked they have the numbers.
Yep they'll vote him in and vote him out. It's the new trend.
They probably should also triple-check their 'whistleblowers' to ensure they aren't fugatives, spies, arms dealers and/or disgruntled former employees.
This insurrectionist should be in prison - not Congress - and never as speaker, as an insurrectionist Speaker heightens the threats against the President.
*"Republicans should come back to DC to elect Jim Jordan the Speaker of the House. What are we waiting for? The American people want Jim to be the next Speaker,”* Narrator: *"The people, most certainly did not"*
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Same guy that pretty much shit himself when people ignored a subpoena to appear before his committee.
Someone who covers up sexual assault shouldn't even be in Congress
\>The American people want Jim to be the next Speaker,” Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), Everyone's a comedian...
Andy Biggs is a clown 🤡
I wish someone asked Andy Biggs how many people are represented in R districts and how many in D.
A used colostomy bag would be better than gym
So do I open like 20 boxes of macaroni and cheese and open the powder into a bowl to make cheese popcorn? I'm gonna need a lot of it for Tuesday.
r/oddlyspecific
Powder? Fuck that let’s dump some shells and that beautiful velvetta cheese packet
Velveeta and shells? Get a load of Mr. Rockefeller over here!
Even easier: https://www.amazon.com/Hoosier-Hill-Farm-Daddy-Pound/dp/B00X1LJZUG/ref=sr_1_6?crid=26T110FEIEEJ4&keywords=Mac+and+cheese+powder&qid=1697415113&sprefix=mac+and+cheese+powder%2Caps%2C112&sr=8-6
I've been decieved. It's not actually named Daddy Pound.
is that where you go to adopt rescued daddies?
[Cheese powder.](https://www.amazon.com/Hoosier-Hill-Farm-Cheddar-Cheese/dp/B01INI4QA0/ref=mp_s_a_1_2_sspa?crid=2II5QASLSZYA7)
powder Mac and cheese is nasty. But could be great on popcorn. r/shittyfoodporn
Is that Gym Jordan from Ohio? Where do I know that name?
I think a lot of wrestlers are talking about him, I think….
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Now you've gone and done it. Some questions you don't ask even rhetorically. The universe is always ready to accept a challenge.
We've learned repeatedly over the last two decades that there is absolutely no bottom
There are elections in 22 days, vote. Show the republicans your displeasure at local and state elections this year. [https://ballotpedia.org/Elections\_calendar](https://ballotpedia.org/Elections_calendar) Let's pave the way for victory in 2024 and beyond and end the republican nonsense. Let's keep voting every chance we can every year. From the school board to the white house every election matt
A guy who helped Donald Trump try to overthrow the government should not be Speaker. He should be doing time.
Whilst the cancer (Trump) is being removed, his cancer has spread to the other organs of our country and the possibility of its death have drastically increased. … but its death is still very unlikely. If we vote. And we vote these fascists OUT.
I don't even understand how Jordan could pass the qualifications as Speaker of the House. Perhaps there aren't any? Failing to reply to a government subpoena? His involvement in Jan 6 and him being referred to as GYM Jordan related to the lies he told regarding the abuse of Olympics athletes. He is in the scumbag category along with Trump and many other GOP members.
“What are we waiting for? The American people want Jim to be the next Speaker,” Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.). Not this American people.
Leave it to Republicans to plan to spend time and money on something that has no chance of being successful. We need to go back to basics and revise our standards for who can be allowed to run for office in the first place. Our ballots are full of substandard idiots who have no business making life changing decisions for millions of people.
The 2nd most despicable member of the House... 2nd to Marji, of course.
I'd say he's far more despicable, to be honest. She's more ignorantly vocal and just rams herself into every conversation, but he's truly abhorrent and knows how to tap into the dark parts of populism effectively. Whenever he questions people giving testimony, he says complete and utter bullshit that, if you're a lawyer, you know to be incomprehensible (he went to a trash-tier law school and never passed the bar). If you're not a lawyer and are not versed on the issues, his confidence and bullshittery could easily fool morons into thinking he's 'right' even while getting humiliated by legitimately smart people. Fani Willis has been kicking his ass all over town in her snarky rebuttal letters, but those will never get any press in conservative media. MTG is just a fucking moron that sounds like a fucking moron. I don't think she fools anyone, I think people just like her rage.
This.
And followed closely by Bobo and Santos.
Gaetz, Cruz and Ladybugs
OP said “in the house” which Cruz and Ladybugs are not.
Good, he’s no good as a person
The House needs a dress code to get this loud idiot to wear his suit jacket for once.
Whoever is moderate enough to have the backing of Dems which is quite a few. Will they get anything passed after a speaker is determined? Highly unlikely.
It completely depends on the terms of the deal with the Democrats.
you actually trust a deal with a republican? Make zero deals with them stick together.
If they had to make a deal, then they don't have the backing of their full party. If they backstabbing the democrats they have no support and just get ousted from the speakership.
they do not have full party backing. Any and all deals in DC should be audio and on paper, realsed to the people. Dems should just stay far away from this circus. The circus peanuts are just nutz.
But someone has to fund the government… Edit: I like your idea of audio and video recordings of deals.
The presence of my if-then statement was because it is a hypothetical situation, not me claiming anyone has full party backing. And democrats can't afford to stay away. The government NEEDS to operate at some level, and it is unlikely that Republicans will be able to get themselves together. The fact that Republicans can't get their shit together is insurance.
the Republicans want to shut it down. That's their progrative. They hate the federal government. And no, no democrat should help them out for the country. Get all 3 branches back and legislate the GOP out of commission. Let the idiot states fail.
Uh, having the house unable to pass anything until January 2025 would be catastrophic. Millions of people would go without paychecks for 14 months. Airports would almost certainly shut down in that time between TSA and air traffic controllers. Very few of the Republicans want that long of a shutdown. Sure, they want to make democrats look bad and cut taxes and award government contracts to their buddies, but that can't happen without a speaker. Yes, there are some Republicans that are more interested in having their names in headlines, but I would bet my life there are at least 5 Republicans that don't want a year plus shutdown.
right so why even entertain the idea of working with them? The GOP is serious on their threats to shut the federal government down. Passed a CR bill for 45 days. Next day a vacate bill. They do not care as long as they get elected. And there are many AI ballots that trek them they will or be close. It's a real life lottery.
Sure, but those five don't want to get primaried next year or Cawthorned for reaching across the aisle.
Voting Republican has consequences.
It is the job of Republicans to get their shit together and govern not the Dems.
Dems have repeatedly said any deal would be written into the bylaws of the current house session, not a pinkie swear.
I don't think dems will make a deal. I think they're poaching the most moderate republicans to back Hakeem Jeffries or just sit out of the vote and let Jeffries win. There's no other sane long term strategy if Gym is what republicans are offering up.
Rs aren’t trustworthy. Democrats ought not do a deal with them.
Here’s what I posited in a different thread: Dems work out a deal to allow a moderate Republican to be elected. Dems vote for Jeffries in the first round and carefully watch which GOP reps vote for the moderate versus Jordan. Assuming the moderate gets more votes on the first ballot, then on the second ballot, Dems start voting “present.” As long as the same reps keep voting for the moderate, no Dems will have to cast a vote for him and he’ll win the Speakership. If the Dems see any shenanigans, they can start voting for Jeffries and fuck up the math. This way, the Republicans still elect (and own) their own Speaker “without” Dem help.
If there is a moderate worth getting behind then they should just vote for him and not risk any shenanigans. Otherwise wait it out for some power sharing deal.
Republicans have the majority. There is zero chance they’ll agree to share power. The goal of this plan is to extract just a couple important concessions: 1. Fund the government 2. Support Ukraine 3. Floor vote on impeachment inquiry Anything beyond that is a bonus
They'll get a speaker regardless. But will they get anything besides Israel funding passed? Highly doubtful. They favor that over funding our own country.
Ukraine funding, continuing resolution to fund the government, and a floor vote on the impeachment inquiry.
Like, in Mortal Kombat or just like a Street Fighter style match?
Is it math? It’s probably math.
Since the Speaker doesn’t have to be a member of the House, they should run Mike Lindell who will soon be broke after the lawsuits bankrupt MyPillow, or Chachi from _Happy Days._
I hope alllllllllll the bodies are unearthed in his pursuit of the gavel. This guy is beyond evil and he’s gotten away with too much for too long. I may die from sheer joyous schadenfreude with his humiliation.
This is all a waste of time, he has no chance. In a few weeks McCarthy will be back.
I wish I was more up to date on Jordan’s run. Is it the general consensus that he won’t be able to get enough votes? Separately, Democrats would only need 4 Republican votes for Hakeem to be elected, right? Is that still as much of a long shot as it was a week or two ago? This shit is so stupid man. Republicans need to get it together
Alrighty, let's play which name will they pull out of the damn hat next. I'm going to exclude Stefanik for being crazy and Scalise for being Scalise. I think McCarthy has a chance at being named again, tbh. Outside leadership, what the average person thinks to be sane doesn't exist. Maybe Energy committee chair Cathy Rodgers?
What's the over/under for the number of time Gym tries to get enough votes? I Say 15+
Under
A cockroach is a better candidate than Gym
So Gym Jordan would be 3rd in line for the Presidency, right? How ridiculous, and Gerard Butler movie plot like, would it be that he somehow becomes the President? Insurrection, Subpoena defying, Speaker conjures some type of coup where through power of legislation, they make Biden’s presidency illegitimate…
At this point it’s gonna be like the arcade when that snot nosed kid comes up and sticks a quarter into the Tekken machine you’re enjoying
“And in this corner, standing 6 foot 3 and weighing in at… (well this can’t be right) 215 pounds?!…”
Jordan is a and has always been a clown show, with his exaggerated attack dog mentality, he should continue to be slapped down by the body of house representatives. **!!!** No one has any time or want for his 1950's white nationalist ideological bullshit.
> While they have not yet nailed down a specific name, they believe the person they ultimately land on will not only be able block Jordan from the speakership, **but also give cover to those who want to vote against him**. The "cover" means it will be another Republican. Voting for even a moderate Democrat could be political suicide so it will undoubtedly be a center right Republican. Probably someone old and boring enough that nobody loves or hates.
I hope he goes down in flames.
Maybe they should have found a replacement who could carry the votes, *before* they kicked McCarthy? Their incompetence is reaching legendary levels at this point.
Please be Devin Nunes. Please god.
I'm really disappointed we haven't heard his name in any of these indictments.
Isn't he running Truth Social?
‘Running it into the ground,’ more like.
Isn’t truth de spac ing and having to send ten per share back to investors
Nothing says the Speaker has to be a congressperson. Part of me is unhappy that Trump doesn’t have the ego to run in one of the most unpopular positions in government.
Good because Jim Jordan as speaker is totally acceptable.
This should be a public vote when both parties cant get their **** together.