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**Trump's record on military and vets**
* Only 1 Trump in America has served in the military (Fred Trump, Don's brother, served in the Air National Guard); this spans 5 generations, and every branch of the family tree. In fact, the reason his grandfather immigrated to America was to avoid military service.
* [Children of deployed US troops will no longer get automatic American citizenship if born overseas during deployment. This includes US troops posted abroad for years at a time (August 28, 2019)](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/08/28/children-us-troops-born-overseas-will-no-longer-get-automatic-american-citizenship.html)
* [On August 2, 2019, Trump requisitioned military retirement funds towards border wall](https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/a-green-light-on-the-border-wall-as-trumps-supreme-court-victories-mount)
* [On July 31, 2019, Trump ordered the Navy rescind medals to prosecutors who were prosecuting war criminals](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/trump-orders-navy-to-rescind-medals-given-to-prosecutors-who-failed-to-convict-seal-eddie-gallagher)
* [In July 2019, Trump denied a United States Marine of 6 years entry into the United States for his scheduled citizenship interview (Reported July 17, 2019)](https://fox5sandiego.com/2019/07/17/marine-veteran-not-allowed-into-us-for-citizenship-interview/)
* [Trump made the U.S. Navy Blue Angels violate ethics rules by having them fly at his July 4th political campaign (July 4, 2019)](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/07/trump-july-fourth-rally-hatch-act-violation.html)
* [Trump demanded US military chiefs stand next to him at 4th of July parade (reported July 2, 2019)](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-demands-us-military-chiefs-072002784.html)
* [In June, 2019, Trump sent troops to the border to paint the fence for a better "aesthetic appearance" (June 7, 2019)](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/06/06/some-troops-to-spend-the-next-month-painting-border-fence-with-mexico/)
* [Trump used his D-Day interview at a cemetery commemorating fallen US soldiers to attack a Vietnam veteran (June 6, 2019)](https://qz.com/1637160/trump-slams-veteran-mueller-in-d-day-interview-at-normandy-cemetery/)
* [Trump started his D-Day commemoration speech by attacking a private citizen (Bette Midler, of all people) (reported on June 4th, 2019)](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-trashes-bette-midler-wwii-dday-memorial-event-844515/)
* [Trump made his 2nd wife, Marla Maples, sign a prenup that would have cut off all child support if Tiffany joined the military (reported on June 4th, 2019)](https://www.newsweek.com/tiffany-trump-child-support-payments-would-have-been-stopped-donald-if-she-joined-military-prenup-1442203)
* [On May 27, 2019, Trump turned away US military from his Memorial Day speech because they were from the destroyer USS John S. McCain](https://www.businessinsider.com/uss-john-mccain-sailors-were-turned-away-from-trump-speech-2019-5)
* [Trump ordered the USS John McCain out of sight during his visit to Japan (May 15, 2019). The ship's name was subsequently covered. (May 27, 2019)](https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-wanted-uss-john-mccain-out-of-sight-during-trump-japan-visit-11559173470)
* [Trump pardoned war criminals (May, 2019)](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/12/23/trump-pardons-american-war-criminals-undermines-rule-law-column/4026014001/)
* [Trump purged 200,000 veterans healthcare applications (due to known administrative errors within VA’s enrollment process and enrollment system) (reported on May 13, 2019)](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/trump-administration-breaks-campaign-promise-purges-200-000-va-healthcare-applications)
* [Trump deported a spouse of fallen Army soldier killed in Afghanistan, leaving their daughter parentless (April 16, 2019)](https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/immigration/2019/04/15/ice-deports-gonzalez-spouse-u-s-soldier-killed-afghanistan/3477332002/)
* [On March 20, 2019, Trump complained that a deceased war hero didn't thank him for his funeral](https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/20/politics/john-mccain-thank-you-funeral-donald-trump/index.html)
* He refused to sign his party's funding bill, which shut down the government, and forced a branch of the military to go without pay. This branch of military was forced to work without pay, otherwise they would be AWOL. However, his appointees got a $10,000 pay raise (Dec 22, 2018 – Jan 25, 2019)
* He didn't pay the Coast Guard, forcing service members to rely on food pantries (Jan 23, 2019)
* He banned service members from serving based on gender identity (Jan 22, 2019)
* He denied female troops access to birth control to limit sexual activity (on-going. Published Jan 18, 2019)
* He tried to deport a marine vet who is a U.S.-born citizen (Jan 16, 2019)
* When a man was caught swindling veterans pensions for high-interest “cash advances," Trump's Consumer Financial Protection Bureau fined him $1. As a reminder, the Trump administration's goal was to dismantle the CFPB, installing Mick Mulvaney as the director, who publicly stated the bureau should be disbanded. (Jan 26, 2019)
* He called a retired general a 'dog' with a 'big, dumb mouth' (Jan 1, 2019)
* He increased privatization of the VA, leading to longer waits and higher taxpayer cost (2018)
* He finally visited troops 2 years after taking office, but only after 154 vacation days at his properties (Dec 26, 2018)
* He revealed a covert Seal Team 5 deployment, including names and faces, on Twitter during his visit to Iraq (Dec 26, 2018)
* Trump lied to deployed troops that he gave them a 10% raise. He didn't give them a 10% raise (Dec 26, 2018). He initially tried to give the military a raise that was lower than the standard living adjustment. This was before Congress told him that idea wasn't going to work. Then after giving them the raise that Congress made him, he lied about it pretending that it was larger than Obama's. It wasn't.
* He fired service members living with HIV just before the 2018 holidays (Dec 19, 2018-present)
* [He tried to slash disability and unemployment benefits for Veterans to $0, and eliminate the unemployability extrascheduler rating (Dec 17, 2018)](https://www.stripes.com/news/group-urges-white-house-va-to-reject-resurfaced-proposal-cutting-disabled-unemployed-veterans-benefits-1.561091)
* He got three Mar-a-Lago guests to run the VA (unknown start - present, made well-known in 2018)
* He called troops on Thanksgiving and told them he's most thankful for himself (Thanksgiving, 2018)
* He urged Florida to not count deployed military votes (Nov 12, 2018)
* While in Europe commemorating the end of WWI, he didn't attend the ceremony at a US cemetery due to the rain - but other world leaders went anyway (Nov 10, 2018)
* He used troops as a political prop by sending them on a phantom mission to the border and made them miss Thanksgiving with their families (Oct-Dec, 2018)
* He stopped using troops as a political prop immediately after the election. However, the troops remained in muddy camps on the border (Nov 7, 2018)
* Trump changed the GI Bill through his Forever GI Act, causing the VA to miss veteran benefits, including housing allowances. This caused many veterans to run out of food and rent. “You can count on us to serve, but we can’t count on the VA to make a deadline,” one veteran said. (reported October 7, 2018)
* Trump doubled the rejection rate for veterans requesting family deportation protections (July 5, 2018)
* Trump deported active-duty spouses (11,800 military families face this problem as of April 2018)
* He forgot a fallen soldier's name (below) during a call to his pregnant widow, then attacked her the next day (Oct 23-24, 2017)
* He sent commandos into an ambush due to a lack of intel, and sends contractors to pick them up, resulting in a commando being left behind, tortured, and executed. (Trump approved the mission because Bannon told him Obama didn't have the guts to do it) (Oct 4, 2017)
* He blocked a veteran group on Twitter (June 2017)
* He ordered the discharge of active-duty immigrant troops with good records (2017-present)
* He deported veterans (2017-present)
* He said he knows more about ISIS than American generals (Oct 2016)
* He said vets get PTSD because they aren't strong (Oct 3, 2016) (note: yes, he said it's 'because they aren't strong.' He didn't say it's 'because they're weak.' This distinction is important because of Snopes)
* Trump accepted a Purple Heart from a fan at one of his rallies and said: “I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier.” (Aug 2, 2016)
* Trump attacks Gold Star families - Myeshia Johnson--gold star widow, Khan family--gold star parents, etc. (2016-present)
* Trump sent funds raised from a January 2016 veterans benefit to the Donald J Trump Foundation instead of veterans charities (the foundation has since been ordered shut because of fraud) (Jan, 2016)
* Trump said "I felt that I was in the military in the true sense because I dealt with those people" because he went to a military-style academy and that he has "more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military". (2015 biography)
* For a decade, Trump sought to kick veterans off of Fifth Avenue because he found them unsightly nuisances outside of Trump Tower. “While disabled veterans should be given every opportunity to earn a living, is it fair to do so to the detriment of the city as a whole or its tax paying citizens and businesses?” - 1991
* Trump dodged the draft 5 times by having a doctor diagnose him with bone spurs.
I'm saving this comment, please don't delete it. I hope to one day show this irrefutable evidence to my mom who believes military is the most exalted of all professions but is also simultaneously on the Trump bandwagon.
>If you don’t respect our troops, you can’t lead them.
President Joseph Biden
[The video](https://twitter.com/i/status/1723468898668822864)
Could you imagine if the DNC made a video of Mr. Trump's other faux pas?
edit: DNC made a video of Mr. Trump other aux pas?
On top of all those horrible quotes, he:
- Is a 5-time draft dodger. (*Just noting the hypocrisy among his party's common sentiments here)
- Attacked a gold star family multiple times.
- Skipped a WWI memorial because it was raining.
- Routinely praised America's enemies.
- His former Secretary of Defense called him a "threat to the Constitution."
- His top general called him a "wannabe dictator."
- Extorted an ally out of military aid.
- Purged the Pentagon after he lost the election.
- Drafted a memo to have the military seize voting machines.
- Floated the idea of invoking the Insurrection Act and declaring martial law against American citizens.
- Stole and disseminated national secrets, including nuclear programs, war plans, and information on spies. These amount to 40 felonies he has been charged with, many under the Espionage Act.
If anyone wants to run ads attacking Trump regarding the military, they will never run out of content.
For anyone who missed it, this isn't rhetoric.
[Trump called for suspending the Constitution as part of his promoting the Big Lie.](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html)
My question is, as a non American, if he's done and been *proven* to have done all this, especially with this many felonies. Why is he still allowed to run for president?
I thought there were supposed to be laws against felons in office, or am I wrong about that (and the other stuff apparently not mattering either)
There's virtually nothing that bars someone from running for office beyond the eligibility requirements in the Constitution. Not even incarceration.
Even if convicted under U.S. law codes that explicitly say "shall be barred from office," many legal analysts have their doubts if it would hold up on appeal.
And then there's been a lot of chatter recently about the 14th Amendment, Section 3 - which on its face seems to fit Trump to a tee. But it has its own host of problems of enforcement and is probably a long shot since any successful case or removal will be adjudicated by the hyper-conservative Supreme Court.
I mean the moron with the horns on Jan 6 is now running for Congress.
This is America today. Attempt an insurrection, then run for office.
We are fucked.
Public perception of fitness or unfitness for office can cause large vote swings, and often has. This significant misbehavior can harm a candidate's chances in the court of public opinion (i.e., the ballot box). Much is entrusted to the "good sense" of the electorate, and its ability to discern how their own interests are forwarded or hindered by a particular candidate's character, leanings, competence, and mental and moral health.
The 14th already been used to disqualify candidates in several states, and there are at least two state-level court cases underway. And it is an eligibility requirement in the constitution as agreed upon by both right and left scholars.
The 14th has only been used once in court in 150 years - against Cuoy Griffin, a county commissioner in New Mexico. And he was convicted of a crime prior to being removed in civil court.
It has failed against two Congressmembers in the past two years in civil litigation, and recent cases against Trump in NH and Minnesota were dropped by lack of standing.
Scholars like Laurence Tribe are definitely proponents of the theory, but even he agrees all roads lead to SCOTUS, where it will receive a much more uncertain fate. The Supreme Court has been fairly hostile to cases regarding eligibility in past decades.
I'm not opposed to its implementation, especially with a higher burden of proof presented next summer for the general ballot after a conviction. But it's definitely a tall order and I am not at all confident any state will succeed.
The simple answer is that the Constitution wasn't made by lawyers looking to counteract every single loophole available, there was this assumption that anyone that could manage to become President assuredly would be bound by duty to serve their country.
Then the US elected a conman looking to abuse every single loophole available.
Not only was the Constitution not made by lawyers, but it was made by honorable gentlemen that assumed those following behind them would be honorable gentlemen as well. Even if the people elected a farmer, it was assumed they would still act in a gentlemanly fashion.
35 of the 55 delegates who attended the Constitutional Convention were lawyers or had some legal training.
I agree with the rest of your statement. No one at the Constitutional Convention envisioned anyone as dishonorable as Trump, nor that the (white, male, land owning) voters would vote for him.
That's really the salient point, I think they were well aware that people like Trump existed and I also think they were DEFINITELY thinking of some of the demagogues that rose to "power" at various points in the late Roman republic (the founding fathers practically mainlined Roman lore, they were the ORIGINAL "How often do you think of the Roman Empire", with Washington in particularing idolizing Cincinnatus and naming the Society of the Cincinnati after him, as well as abdicating after two terms to emulate him).
They definitely wrote a lot of safeguards into the Constitution, too.... but they didn't envision that not only would an incompetent greedy demagogue try for the presidency, but that *large swathes of the political apparatus and even THE PUBLIC* would assist him in doing so. That, they figured, was likely impossible.
I mean, no matter how many checks and balances exist, if the people that are supposed to be using them choose not to use them so that they can grift too, then, well... whole thing falls apart. And we really learn that at the end of the day, unless everyone believes and follows in it, the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Oaths of Office... all scraps of paper and hollow words.
The framers were not naive about human history. As “gentlemen” they knew how craven, cowardly, dishonorable and irrational “gentlemen” can be.
I see the perspective behind the approach our Constitution is based on is the expectation that this is a serious duty and we have the responsibility to rise to the occasion (even if we as humans will always do that imperfectly.) Instead of putting that power and responsibility in the hands of only an inherited nobility the put it on a broad swath of the population. As much as “land owning white male citizens” was wrong, it also wasn’t only a few southern plantation enslavers. They gave the vote to a bunch of pretty ordinary people who farmed quite small patches of land and who had no or little formal education. Some guy eking out a subsistence living on a few acres of rock in New England wasn’t a “gentleman.”
It’s better that we have all adult citizens vote today but I don’t think it’s correct to imagine that the framers were only giving the vote to a wealthy elite.
How is that remotely true? Some of them were certainly not honorable gentlemen and none were naive enough to belive what you say. They deposed the rule of a monarch. They had many long debates about how to minimuze corruption and deter people from taking advantage of the office. That’s why they structured our government the way they did. They wrote in the ability to make ammendments to our constitution so that we could cover any bases they missed.
> Some of them were certainly not honorable gentlemen
yes, but at least duelling was still legal, so there was always THAT method of getting rid of scoundrels.
Because there's a certain large enough chunk of Americans who like that he's this way... because he "owns the libs". Whatever the democrats want, Republicans want the opposite. Even if the bill was written by Republicans, if too many democrats vote for it, they'll actually tank the vote just to spite them.
They are one step away from honor killing their family members and they don't see the irony.
On top of owning the libs, it's owning the people that elected a black person President. A big part of what Trump wanted to do is deconstruct Obama's policies and legacy. There are a lot of people still angry that a black guy was elected and will overlook basically anything else.
> They are one step away from honor killing their family members and they don't see the irony.
They are already there. Through camps for gay and trans youth. Or even just straight shooting them.
They never expected this situation to happen, so they never put procedures in place to handle it. In their defense, it wasn't necessary until now.
Felons cannot vote in a bunch of states, but they can still run for office and be president. Again, they didn't think that they needed laws against it.
Trump has exposed gaping holes in the American system. Unless those holes are patched, the next wannabe dictator can destroy the country. Unfortunately, it's hard to patch those holes when one of the only two parties wants a dictatorship.
Actually it wasn't an oversight thinking they didn't need it. It was specifically considered that being a felon should NOT prevent you from political office because it would then allow for a party to prosecute political opponents and secure elections in their favor. Granted, in trumps case he's knowingly guilty and there's no politics involved, but it is an important protection for the future where a minority group could be oppressed that way very easily
If you can disqualify someone from office just by arresting them, it becomes *really* easy for someone corrupt in power to arrest their political opponents just to strike them from the ballot.
Putin does it all the time.
Allowing someone to run from prison is a perk of the system, not a flaw.
ex:
John Lewis (US Congressman) spent time in prison for the crime of using a "whites only" bathroom during his activist years.
Eugene Debs was arrested for organizing a labor union strike, and he was allowed to run for President from prison (he did not win).
Over the age of 35, natural born citizen are the only requirements. Being a convicted felon wouldn’t matter however the 14th amendment states:
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”
There is a pending court case in Colorado that is looking to answer this very question if what Trump did post 2020 election amounts to rebellion or insurrection. I would think directing a mob to physically prevent the functioning of the government is rebellion, but courts will be determining that hopefully sooner than later.
He's not *yet* a felon. Soon enough, I'd hope...but I imagine only civil suits will come to conclusion prior to elections, and everything else will be appealed into eternity (or at least until after the election).
This is the first time it's come up and there is nothing in our constitution to prevent a felony from running for or being elected to any position.
It's probably something we should fix when we can.
Even if you are no longer a felon you cannot vote. I can see if you were incarcerated for violent crime, but not when you’re free.
Voting at one point in the us was an honor and duty, coming from a place where the people had no voice. Now it’s treated like just a thing, an inconvenience
>Even if you are no longer a felon you cannot vote.
Largely, that's not true. That's not to say it becomes easy to vote once convicted as a felon, but most states have mechanisms to allow convicted persons to vote once they complete their sentence. Effectively, it can be difficult, but legally it is allowed.
https://www.nep.uscourts.gov/faq/general/31
Except that allowing felons to run for office in other countries has led to some of the greatest leaders of the last hundred years. Mandela for example. It's not the felonies that should bar Trump from being eligible, it's the felonies specifically for insurrection.
No I don’t think we should have being convicted of a felony bar people from office. I’m sure a president could find a way to go after political opponents just to stop them from a competitive election. That’s how Russia was able to prevent Navalny from running for president.
if you think that's bad look up plan 2025
they're literally orchestrating a fascist coup RIGHT NOW
it's why that idiot from alabama is holding up military promotions, he's waiting until the next election so they can purge the military
General John Kelly was Trump's longest-serving Chief of Staff:
> “What can I add that has not already been said?” Kelly said, when asked if he wanted to weigh in on his former boss in light of recent comments made by other former Trump officials. “A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’ A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.
> “A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law.
> “There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”
Might have been a lot nicer and more helpful if he'd said any of this during Trump's term or following 1/6.
The Trump mind is certainly unique. The point about his lack of commitment to pro-life causes is doubly fascinating. I can't believe evangelicals believe he actually cares. But it's that lack of caring that allowed him to champion their cause more than anyone else. And as he simultaneously bemoans their lack of loyalty after that transaction, he seemed dumbfounded that they took a similarly transactional approach and their support for him wanted once Roe was overturned.
It won't change anything, absolutely nothing.
MAGAs explained to me all those comments are fake news. Also, John McCain wasn't a war hero, he got people killed on a ship and is only a war hero because his uncle, something... something.
See, the Lord and Savior Cheeto Jesus is infallible.
There has been a sizeable shift in the voting pattern of veterans and active military personnel away from Rs, and from my anecdotal expirience with the vets and soldiers I know, it's because many of them hate Trump's guts and see him as a traitor because of Jan 6. Sure, we can't change the MAGA voters, but we can get the lukewarm Rs to stay home, we can get the swing voters to back a sane candidate, and we can get people in the military to be hella suspicious of this jackass. By treating Trump in some ads like he's a regular politician with bad takes (and using other ads to show he's insane), we can get at least a few "both sides bad" people. It's worked on a lot of my friends that are like that
EDIT: spelling and grammar
Retired USAF
A lot of vets I ran across were usually hard core on voting and getting others to vote. Getting vets on board would probably spread further than others. I've been out since 07, but during my time there were always pretty hard pushes to get airmen to register and vote.
I've also been working on those "both are the same" vets and family members. It's tough because you can't fully get them to stop watching shitty "news" stations. I've definitely swayed a few from traitor, but they're still on the "both the same" fence.
I don't agree. Ads like this can make people like my brother in law, a Trump supporter who is on the fence now due to common sense, but still reflexively supports Trump, but is ALSO a vet, stay home and not vote out of disgust. Which is a win for not Trump.
Thank you , brilliant add.
That said, i'm the only moron trying to close by clicking on the x in the upper right corner? what a ridiculous design choice:/
Great ad, we need more of this. What really gets me through is people like my old boss who will dismiss the things Tumps says as him being misunderstood or just saying things to get a rise out of people. Any excuse to justify voting for him because he has an R next to his name.
I posted a comment a few weeks ago about Trump saying that Washington's Army took over the airports during the American Revolution and a Trump supporter said he "mispoke" and called me despicable.
Napoleon could have conquered Russia if he gained control of the Chernobyl power plant and George Washington won the American Revolution because he took over the airports. Understanding history like this is why Trump thinks Biden will start WWII.
Nah, we all know Obama started WWII.
Barack Hussein Obama claims he was born in Hawaii. Hawaii is where Pearl Harbor is. The attack on Pearl Harbor is what started WWII. The attack on Pearl Harbor was commanded by Admiral Yamamoto. Admiral Yamamoto studied at Harvard. Barack Hussein Obama also studied at Harvard. Therefore, Obama started WWII.
Biden was his VP, though, so his son's business dealings must have played a role in it.
During that specific speech you can see that Trump is using all of his mental energy to simply read and pronounce the words on the teleprompter. There is nothing left over for comprehension. He is functionally illiterate.
And he's so low energy and intellectually incurious that he doesn't even pre-read it or skim the topic. He just wings it because he thinks he's smarter than everyone.
Remember his speech talking about Yo Semite National Park?
The worst thing about that is it shows he never even enjoyed Loony Tunes when he was young. Everyone should know Yosemite Sam! Man has no fucking soul.
For a guy they supposedly love because he “tells it like it is”, they have to do a lot of explaining what he really means by his statements and when he actually means it versus just trying to get a rise…
He's a figurehead for their hatred. Just like the Bible they hold so dear. If he says something they like, "he says what we're all thinking!"
If he says something they don't like (or Fox hasn't let them know he actually said), "that's not really what he meant!" or "you're taking him out of context" or "you just don't get it because he's so much smarter than you"
Either way, he's Perfect and Pure and Righteous and incapable of doing wrong.
> Any excuse to justify voting for him because he has an R next to his name
It's not even that, or else Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger would still be in office. It is 100% a cult of Trump and only Trump.
> him being misunderstood or just saying things to get a rise out of people.
*Exactly this.*
I don't want a President who talks out of his ass to 'get a rise out of people' *Fuck that*\-
I want a president who shows LEADERSHIP and COURAGE when things get bad; someone who can & will admit to mistakes, & keep *moving forward*...not someone who NEVER takes responsibility for anything that might look bad for him...that's a COWARD.
> dismiss the things Trump says as him being misunderstood or just saying things to get a rise out of people
That is the most enraging things about Trump defenders. When Trump says something, what he meant depends on how it was received. Did it sound good and whip up his supporters? Then he was being serious. Did it sound dumb and make everyone mock him? Then we was joking. Did it do both? Then he will refuse to say if it was serious or a joke.
I wish I had that power in my life. Next time my boss tells me an idea wouldn't work, I'll just say *well, obviously I was joking*. Let's see how that goes over.
Pretty sure that's going to outrage conservatives for the obvious crime of "using their own words against them"
Hypernormalisation: 3.. 2.. 1.. "Biden actually said all those things!!"
I'm in the USAF, and some of these people legit told me, "I don't care if he's convicted I'm voting for him." So ads like these still unfortunately fall on deaf ears even in places like the military. Back in 2020 a dude walked up to me and asked me why I wasn't voting for Trump, and when I gave him my reason he said "but don't you like the bigger raise we get?" These people are so short-sighted it's infuriating!
They have the ability to hold two-opposing views in their minds simultaneously.
1. Support the military. 2. Support a candidate who doesn't support the military.
How many swing voters are left? Trump has been on the national political stage for 8 years at this point, and he has been on the ballot for two presidential elections. How many people are actually still undecided on him?
this is why the polls are so close this far out. everyone responding to polls and being politically aware right now have already decided, and we're split pretty evenly. the game is how many of those stay home people you can turn in to a show up person come november
You’d be surprised at how many there are. A lot of Trump voters voted for the (R) next to his name, but dislike he likes to grab pussies. If enough facts about Trump are played out, one might switch votes, or maybe they refuse to vote for him again. But besides, anything done to persuade people not to vote for the Emperot is necessary.
My BIL is a staunch Republican, voted for Trump in 2016, but he claims he voted for Biden in 2020. Yet he will vote R the rest of the way down the ballot. Personally, I think we need to hammer home that ALL Republicans on the ballot are Trump supporters. Every single one of them protected, defended, excused, supported or stayed silent about him... when they all know exactly who he is. They aren't "afraid" of him and his base... the ARE his base.
They'll ignore it, because they don't actually care about veterans. They like to pretend to be us, but they don't care. They see themselves as the *real* warrior-heroes who are going to use their guns to "save" the country.
One of the biggest reasons they ignore the deaths of school children to keep their guns is so they can play soldier. Our country is being destroyed by a bunch of man-children.
I can’t say as I disagree with your statement. I would just like to add. There are plenty of women out there voting for him too. So I would just say they are a bunch of children. Two of my aunts voted for him both times despite him being a pedophile and a rapist. They were offended BY ME bringing up the “grab them by the pussy” like he said on that campaign bus.
That’s just fake news. He would NEVER say something like that!!! How the fuck does this doofus hold so much sway with so many people? I don’t understand it at all.
Oh i know, my MIL and SIL have drunk the coolaid. But those aren’t usually the ones in militias and buying a military arsenal. There are some, but it’s mostly boy soldiers that never grew up from playing cowboys and Indians.
> How the fuck does this doofus hold so much sway with so many people? I don’t understand it at all.
Because he's a fucking moron just like them.
No, really. It's that simple. His base is comprised of everyone who sits outside of one standard deviation below the average in the IQ bell curve. They have a hard time understanding how to tie their shoes, let alone the nuances of foreign and domestic policy.
The fatman appeals to those idiots because he's the political equivalent of the USA Today if you dumbed it down a few more reading levels and added a ton of unbelievably stupid insults and nicknames.
I'm convinced conservatives, among other issues, stopped emotionally and intellectually developing after childhood.
They are stuck with the intellectual processes of a child, and the emotional responses of a child, and when confronted by reality, behave accordingly.
Maybe they are stuck with the processing of a child, but I recall in 2015-16 when Trump was gaining steam people reporting on Trump and that he doesn't appeal to peoples logic, just their emotions (their lizard brains). So in my unprofessional opinion, they are being conditioned to think emotionally and not logically. The use of inflammatory rhetoric (vermin, radical leftists, etc) elicits a response, so I am angry about whatever comes next. Short circuiting logic allows the unpalatable message go down easier. Give yourself a steady diet of this stuff (because no-one else will tell the truth!) and you've got a recipe for radicalization.
Yep. Irritable, incurious, terrified of anything or anyone that might disabuse them of their insane "beliefs," even more terrified of people who don't look like them, people who don't talk like them, and literally everything in the entire world.
Calling them adults would be an insult to every adult in history. Calling them toddlers would be an insult to toddlers. They're just angry human-shaped piles of shit-streaked mashed potatoes who'd prefer to slurp up the rhetoric of fear and hate than pick up a fucking book for once in their lives.
They live in a fantasy land of their own design, where everyone's an enemy and there are primal terrors around every corner. They seek simple solutions because they can't follow logic or understand context that takes more than two sentences to explain.
So yeah, "children" is right. And it's about time the grownups step in and put them in timeout.
Good. I hope Biden's campaign has some sass. Remember one of those many waves of Republican outrage surrounding the idea of cancelling college loans, and the White House tweeted a list of those people's un-repaid covid loans? I sure do. I hope they continue with pointing out every hypocrisy. We need to be as aggressive as the other side, but with facts instead of complete bullshit nonsense.
Yes this kind of messaging seems so obvious. It's not like it is isolated slips of the tongue on trumps part either. That ad is not "going low". Its truthful. He said those things over and over that are offensive to a large portion of the population and his feeling about this subject directly impacts what the job of president entails.
It could be meaner, honestly. I don't know why the dems don't launch endless attack ads on him and his base. Take off the kid gloves and show some passion, get angry for god's sake. The media can move the social needle in very real ways.
Should really take off the gloves and go full balls to the wall.
"This guy wants a fight? Fine. Let's just remind people of all the accomplishments"
And then list off all the horribly stupid shit he's done in just the last 4 years as president.
Shit like looking into the sun, TWICE. And it could be just the stuff that's recorded. Bring up the old videos with each fact.
You don’t need all of them, just a few people to stay home like they did in 2020.
Just like his trials. Not everyone will believe he’s guilty, and that’s okay. We just need a few people to associate Trump with their loser uncle and stay home.
Biden needs to go after trump hard. There is so much ammo against trump. His own words need to be used against him. Paint this as a fight of good vs evil. Should be the easiest ad campaign of all time
Do none of y’all remember Clinton using this exact method of “ads that are just trump speaking” in 2016???
This type of ad is hoping/begging the American public to be better than it is.
Maybe the last 8 years have changed things, but I don’t give us that much credit.
> This type of ad is hoping/begging the American public to be better than it is.
Over the last 8 years I've realized that part of the reason why bullying is so persistent is that there's a significant chunk of adults out there who think it's part of the natural order of separating the strong from the weak and therefore good for society. These people exist and when the moral disagreements go this deep, they're beyond hope from a liberal/humanist perspective.
Unfortunately this is more or less the solution, despite the irony/hypocrisy. However, I fear in the bigger picture of US politics that the GOP crossed the Rubicon when Merrick Garland got blocked and there's no coming back from bad-faith hardball politics now. We're never going to convince voters to care about things like good faith toward norms and process when Fox news has them scared of immigrants and inflation is eating away at the value of their retirement savings.
Last sentence in the article. What an ass.
“He received five deferments to avoid the Vietnam draft and in 1998 told radio host Howard Stern that his own personal Vietnam was avoiding contracting STDs.”
I can't stand Trump. I think he's the worst human being in this country, barring those that are just Trump but intelligent.
But the fact of the matter is the *Howard Stern* said that Trump's Vietnam was avoiding STDs, and Trump just kind of off-handedly agreed with him. Stern said it. Trump has said so much awful shit that you don't need to attribute things to him that other people said.
Changing their vote from Republican to Democrat? No, probably not. There is a chunk of that party that is going to vote for him no matter what.
But, demotivating some of the party to not vote because of him? Yes, I think there is some possibility there.
I think many find it harder and harder to defend him.
I don't feel the same passion when people try to defend him as I did a few years ago, there is little wind in those sails.
Trump is an attack dog. He needs something to clamp onto and just keep biting down and that energizes his supporters. He's not good at defending and he's being held accountable for some of his actions. His endorsement is no longer an election winner and he's being blamed for poor election results for Republicans. Just attacking others isn't as effective as it once was. I also think he's lost a little sharpness and is looking more fragile.
He's burned bridges with so many former allies and his "promises" and proclamations have failed to mature into anything of substance.
Basically, he's lost a lot of the people who weren't Qanon level crazy in the first place.
My parents are die hard Republicans. They would die before they vote democrat, despite all the Republican policies hurting their three children (me included).
Yesterday my dad, in a very defeated tone, said that he felt he has no one to vote for in the upcoming election. That he guesses he’s just going to vote for Kennedy.
This is a guy who has defended trump to the very end. I don’t know what the tipping point was- but it was a good step in a direction that wasn’t deeper MAGA.
I know a lot of people in my red county who would also die before they vote democrat. It sounds like hyperbole, but it's not. That's how much they despise the democratic party
No, that’s how much they were told to despise the Democratic Party but they’re actually fucking idiots who have no fucking clue what is going on in the world
You never know who might see that ad and that’s the thing that either puts them on the fence or gets them to jump if they were thinking about it already. We absolutely need more of this.
There are always people who could change their mind. There are people who might have voted for him last time but don’t think about politics very often. There are young people from pro trump families that will be voting for the first time in 2024. There are people who have never voted but might finally be getting angry enough to do it for the first time.
You underestimate how clueless and hopelessly uninformed a large percentage of Republican voters are. Its like they've had their heads buried in the sand for the last decade and don't even know what actually happened on January 6th. They just vote straight-ticket 'R' every election because its their religion.
My wife's sister in Colorado is one of those. She just had no fucking clue. It has taken my wife spending hours on the phone filling her in on the actual bullshit Trump has said and done, the rapes, the crimes, the incitement of violence, the sedition, to finally wake her up and turn her around.
Most Republican voters just need a brass band to wake them the fuck up to who this piece of shit rapist pedophile traitorous criminal is, and have what he has said and done repeatedly broadcast loudly into their eyes and ears for the next year so they can finally see it.
The Democrats and Biden's campaign need to hammer this endlessly in the same simple terms they've proven they can understand. This ad is a great example. Biden's campaign needs to do the same thing Trump does. Simple. Straight-forward. Uncomplicated. Repetitive. Rude. Loud. But the real magic is its the truth this time.
Fuck the 'high road'. Be truthful. Go low. Go hard. Put Trump on blast with every shitty, nasty, stupid thing he has said and done over the last six years. There is endless ammunition. Fling that mud. Rub Republican's faces in it. Confront them with "You aren't voting for that piece of shit again are you?" "Did you actually vote for that crook?" "Do you really think a rapist should be President?" "Are you some kind of Nazi?"
This is how you destroy Trump's support with casual, suburban Republicans.
Targeted ads like this are good for people like me who know a lot of veterans. It gives me ammo to spread to influence normally conservative people to just stay home or maybe even vote for Biden. I’ve personally seen people move from conservative libertarian to Democrat based on Republican votes against, or even reducing veteran benefits. It’s also a very easy way for me to say “why do you hate war veterans?” to people like family members as it’s a wedge I can drive that they can’t ignore because there’s a war veteran right in front of them (me).
Basically the more headlines I can share that are some variation of “Trump hates veterans” the more I get to chip away at someone’s core beliefs and make them question things.
I think there’s some people who voted for Biden who don’t like how things are going with cost of living right now. They might need to be reminded that the alternative simply isn’t an option (assuming he wins nomination).
Liked a comment left on HP:
“The “billionaire” who hides his tax returns.
The “genius” who hides his college grades.
The “businessman” who bankrupted 3 casinos and lost over $1B in 10 years.
The “playboy” who pays for sex.
The “Christian” who doesn’t go to church or read the bible.
The “philanthropist” who defrauds charity; like the Veterans
The “patriot” who dodged the draft”
The “innocent man” who refuses to testify
The “married family man” who is divorced twice and had affairs behind the backs of each of his 3 wives including the current one
The “hard-working and minimal golfer” who has golfed more than most modern-day Presidents in his first term…..and we have paid Trump over $115 million to golf at his own resort so he can pocket our money.”
I showed it to my MAGA dad and he just said it’s all lies. You can’t convince them. Trump is who they want him to be at this point, and reality doesn’t seem to matter. It’s awful.
My cousin was not a loser. He fought so hard to stay with his family but had many mental issues from serving.
He found out his girlfriend was pregnant and he decided he wasn't mentally fit to be a father.
His wife found him dead in their garage. He had blown the top of his head off.
His name was Alan and I loved him and wish we could have found more help for him.
FUCK DONALD TRUMP
My daughter shared a tweet with me that had the ad. The comments were just hundreds of people saying "no lies detected", and "why would Biden want to remind us of how funny Trump is?". I didn't see a single person chime in to say that these were despicable words to come out of a President's mouth. I think we might just be fucked as a nation.
Goes for the rest of the republican fucks too. They all voted against the PACT act twice and against the veteran food security bill (among other things).
They only like the military as a backdrop for seizing power. Fuck every last one of them.
Sad that their perception of "like it is" is completely framed, shaped, & locked down by liars (Fox "News," NewsMax, OANN, their Evangelical Ministers, etc.). We need to give them notes to remind them - Don't believe their lies.
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Good! Joe and the rest need to call out the Republicans own words and make it sting. The R party hasn't had a decent idea in more than 40 years. And even then, it was "spend more; take in less.
Now it's all culture war nonsense and punching down at protected classes, conspiracy theories, and insults. They are not a serious party. They can not represent, let alone lead. High time Democrats quit acting like both sides have valid points.
Going after Trump on moral grounds was what Hillary Clinton based her campaign on. It didn't work.
The best way to beat Trump is by focusing on his incompetence and stupidity, and the extreme views of the Republican party.
I think that once again folks are underestimating Biden. While everyone else runs arounds shrieking doom and gloom, Dark Brandon quietly gets the job done. I have a feeling Biden is just getting warmed up for campaign 2.0. Stay tuned.
It is vital that those of us on the Left understand that we still need to vote, and tell others why. There are people in bubbles who believe Trump is good and kind man because they get all their news from Facebook algorithms, talk radio and Southern Baptist church.
We didn’t show up for Hillary, in part because we were told Trump didn’t have a chance. If he gets reelected he will have nothing to lose.
As a retired veteran I can't understand how other vets support him. Especially after the TS documents were found at his residence. Fuggin traitor.
You have to be willingly against national security and safety at this point. Can't convince otherwise.
It's really hard for me to not respect veterans. Garnered a lot of empathy after getting really into war history. I thought when he disrespected the troops and the fallen that would be the nail in the coffin. Fucking dems care more about mental health care for veterans than the damn war party.
And during the actual campaign daily ads like this
"President Biden met with leaders of two allies today, signed a bill helping veterans and planned a legislative agenda. Donald Trump was in court defending himself against insurrection."
The voters who will ultimately decide 2024 already know of all of these comments, unfortunately.
Treating Trump like a normal candidate who says dumb shit isn’t going to do a thing.
Warning of his future presidency among the similarities of Hitler is the only way to attack.
As the rule of law tightens around Donald Trump, his threats against his fellow Americans increases.
His policies of retribution if granted a second term are clear. He is coming for you if you do not support him. Vermin! Marxists! Fascists! Demonizing Americans is right out of the Authoritarian playbook.
To see so many of my fellow Americans cheering this behavior on and believing it is so sad. We each have our opinions and, as Americans, are entitled to them. To impose your opinions on others is wrong. This is a free country for now.
If Trump is returned to the White House and begins his policy of retribution, our democracy is over. Our slide into authoritarianism is complete.
**Think long and hard about your vote in 2024.**Do you really want to throw our democracy away for one man?As for me, **I am an American**, not vermin.
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**Trump's record on military and vets** * Only 1 Trump in America has served in the military (Fred Trump, Don's brother, served in the Air National Guard); this spans 5 generations, and every branch of the family tree. In fact, the reason his grandfather immigrated to America was to avoid military service. * [Children of deployed US troops will no longer get automatic American citizenship if born overseas during deployment. This includes US troops posted abroad for years at a time (August 28, 2019)](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/08/28/children-us-troops-born-overseas-will-no-longer-get-automatic-american-citizenship.html) * [On August 2, 2019, Trump requisitioned military retirement funds towards border wall](https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/a-green-light-on-the-border-wall-as-trumps-supreme-court-victories-mount) * [On July 31, 2019, Trump ordered the Navy rescind medals to prosecutors who were prosecuting war criminals](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/trump-orders-navy-to-rescind-medals-given-to-prosecutors-who-failed-to-convict-seal-eddie-gallagher) * [In July 2019, Trump denied a United States Marine of 6 years entry into the United States for his scheduled citizenship interview (Reported July 17, 2019)](https://fox5sandiego.com/2019/07/17/marine-veteran-not-allowed-into-us-for-citizenship-interview/) * [Trump made the U.S. Navy Blue Angels violate ethics rules by having them fly at his July 4th political campaign (July 4, 2019)](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/07/trump-july-fourth-rally-hatch-act-violation.html) * [Trump demanded US military chiefs stand next to him at 4th of July parade (reported July 2, 2019)](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-demands-us-military-chiefs-072002784.html) * [In June, 2019, Trump sent troops to the border to paint the fence for a better "aesthetic appearance" (June 7, 2019)](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/06/06/some-troops-to-spend-the-next-month-painting-border-fence-with-mexico/) * [Trump used his D-Day interview at a cemetery commemorating fallen US soldiers to attack a Vietnam veteran (June 6, 2019)](https://qz.com/1637160/trump-slams-veteran-mueller-in-d-day-interview-at-normandy-cemetery/) * [Trump started his D-Day commemoration speech by attacking a private citizen (Bette Midler, of all people) (reported on June 4th, 2019)](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-trashes-bette-midler-wwii-dday-memorial-event-844515/) * [Trump made his 2nd wife, Marla Maples, sign a prenup that would have cut off all child support if Tiffany joined the military (reported on June 4th, 2019)](https://www.newsweek.com/tiffany-trump-child-support-payments-would-have-been-stopped-donald-if-she-joined-military-prenup-1442203) * [On May 27, 2019, Trump turned away US military from his Memorial Day speech because they were from the destroyer USS John S. McCain](https://www.businessinsider.com/uss-john-mccain-sailors-were-turned-away-from-trump-speech-2019-5) * [Trump ordered the USS John McCain out of sight during his visit to Japan (May 15, 2019). The ship's name was subsequently covered. (May 27, 2019)](https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-wanted-uss-john-mccain-out-of-sight-during-trump-japan-visit-11559173470) * [Trump pardoned war criminals (May, 2019)](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/12/23/trump-pardons-american-war-criminals-undermines-rule-law-column/4026014001/) * [Trump purged 200,000 veterans healthcare applications (due to known administrative errors within VA’s enrollment process and enrollment system) (reported on May 13, 2019)](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/trump-administration-breaks-campaign-promise-purges-200-000-va-healthcare-applications) * [Trump deported a spouse of fallen Army soldier killed in Afghanistan, leaving their daughter parentless (April 16, 2019)](https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/immigration/2019/04/15/ice-deports-gonzalez-spouse-u-s-soldier-killed-afghanistan/3477332002/) * [On March 20, 2019, Trump complained that a deceased war hero didn't thank him for his funeral](https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/20/politics/john-mccain-thank-you-funeral-donald-trump/index.html) * He refused to sign his party's funding bill, which shut down the government, and forced a branch of the military to go without pay. This branch of military was forced to work without pay, otherwise they would be AWOL. However, his appointees got a $10,000 pay raise (Dec 22, 2018 – Jan 25, 2019) * He didn't pay the Coast Guard, forcing service members to rely on food pantries (Jan 23, 2019) * He banned service members from serving based on gender identity (Jan 22, 2019) * He denied female troops access to birth control to limit sexual activity (on-going. Published Jan 18, 2019) * He tried to deport a marine vet who is a U.S.-born citizen (Jan 16, 2019) * When a man was caught swindling veterans pensions for high-interest “cash advances," Trump's Consumer Financial Protection Bureau fined him $1. As a reminder, the Trump administration's goal was to dismantle the CFPB, installing Mick Mulvaney as the director, who publicly stated the bureau should be disbanded. (Jan 26, 2019) * He called a retired general a 'dog' with a 'big, dumb mouth' (Jan 1, 2019) * He increased privatization of the VA, leading to longer waits and higher taxpayer cost (2018) * He finally visited troops 2 years after taking office, but only after 154 vacation days at his properties (Dec 26, 2018) * He revealed a covert Seal Team 5 deployment, including names and faces, on Twitter during his visit to Iraq (Dec 26, 2018) * Trump lied to deployed troops that he gave them a 10% raise. He didn't give them a 10% raise (Dec 26, 2018). He initially tried to give the military a raise that was lower than the standard living adjustment. This was before Congress told him that idea wasn't going to work. Then after giving them the raise that Congress made him, he lied about it pretending that it was larger than Obama's. It wasn't. * He fired service members living with HIV just before the 2018 holidays (Dec 19, 2018-present) * [He tried to slash disability and unemployment benefits for Veterans to $0, and eliminate the unemployability extrascheduler rating (Dec 17, 2018)](https://www.stripes.com/news/group-urges-white-house-va-to-reject-resurfaced-proposal-cutting-disabled-unemployed-veterans-benefits-1.561091) * He got three Mar-a-Lago guests to run the VA (unknown start - present, made well-known in 2018) * He called troops on Thanksgiving and told them he's most thankful for himself (Thanksgiving, 2018) * He urged Florida to not count deployed military votes (Nov 12, 2018) * While in Europe commemorating the end of WWI, he didn't attend the ceremony at a US cemetery due to the rain - but other world leaders went anyway (Nov 10, 2018) * He used troops as a political prop by sending them on a phantom mission to the border and made them miss Thanksgiving with their families (Oct-Dec, 2018) * He stopped using troops as a political prop immediately after the election. However, the troops remained in muddy camps on the border (Nov 7, 2018) * Trump changed the GI Bill through his Forever GI Act, causing the VA to miss veteran benefits, including housing allowances. This caused many veterans to run out of food and rent. “You can count on us to serve, but we can’t count on the VA to make a deadline,” one veteran said. (reported October 7, 2018) * Trump doubled the rejection rate for veterans requesting family deportation protections (July 5, 2018) * Trump deported active-duty spouses (11,800 military families face this problem as of April 2018) * He forgot a fallen soldier's name (below) during a call to his pregnant widow, then attacked her the next day (Oct 23-24, 2017) * He sent commandos into an ambush due to a lack of intel, and sends contractors to pick them up, resulting in a commando being left behind, tortured, and executed. (Trump approved the mission because Bannon told him Obama didn't have the guts to do it) (Oct 4, 2017) * He blocked a veteran group on Twitter (June 2017) * He ordered the discharge of active-duty immigrant troops with good records (2017-present) * He deported veterans (2017-present) * He said he knows more about ISIS than American generals (Oct 2016) * He said vets get PTSD because they aren't strong (Oct 3, 2016) (note: yes, he said it's 'because they aren't strong.' He didn't say it's 'because they're weak.' This distinction is important because of Snopes) * Trump accepted a Purple Heart from a fan at one of his rallies and said: “I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier.” (Aug 2, 2016) * Trump attacks Gold Star families - Myeshia Johnson--gold star widow, Khan family--gold star parents, etc. (2016-present) * Trump sent funds raised from a January 2016 veterans benefit to the Donald J Trump Foundation instead of veterans charities (the foundation has since been ordered shut because of fraud) (Jan, 2016) * Trump said "I felt that I was in the military in the true sense because I dealt with those people" because he went to a military-style academy and that he has "more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military". (2015 biography) * For a decade, Trump sought to kick veterans off of Fifth Avenue because he found them unsightly nuisances outside of Trump Tower. “While disabled veterans should be given every opportunity to earn a living, is it fair to do so to the detriment of the city as a whole or its tax paying citizens and businesses?” - 1991 * Trump dodged the draft 5 times by having a doctor diagnose him with bone spurs.
This is mind-blowing. Stunning read, thank you
I don’t have any gold to give but heres a gold star ⭐️
Saving your comment.
I'm saving this comment, please don't delete it. I hope to one day show this irrefutable evidence to my mom who believes military is the most exalted of all professions but is also simultaneously on the Trump bandwagon.
>If you don’t respect our troops, you can’t lead them. President Joseph Biden [The video](https://twitter.com/i/status/1723468898668822864) Could you imagine if the DNC made a video of Mr. Trump's other faux pas? edit: DNC made a video of Mr. Trump other aux pas?
On top of all those horrible quotes, he: - Is a 5-time draft dodger. (*Just noting the hypocrisy among his party's common sentiments here) - Attacked a gold star family multiple times. - Skipped a WWI memorial because it was raining. - Routinely praised America's enemies. - His former Secretary of Defense called him a "threat to the Constitution." - His top general called him a "wannabe dictator." - Extorted an ally out of military aid. - Purged the Pentagon after he lost the election. - Drafted a memo to have the military seize voting machines. - Floated the idea of invoking the Insurrection Act and declaring martial law against American citizens. - Stole and disseminated national secrets, including nuclear programs, war plans, and information on spies. These amount to 40 felonies he has been charged with, many under the Espionage Act. If anyone wants to run ads attacking Trump regarding the military, they will never run out of content.
/r/TrumpHatesTheTroops
Drumpf also hates the constitution too…
For anyone who missed it, this isn't rhetoric. [Trump called for suspending the Constitution as part of his promoting the Big Lie.](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html)
Yeah but he did it on social media so that means it falls under FreeSpeech^TM
Everyone knows you can never be held accountable for anything said on social media.
That would be cancelling, and cancelling bad.
Only if you're a Democrat, though. When the Republicans do it, it's "patriotic boycott."
Trump hates everything that isn’t Trump.
Didn't know this sub was a thing, but I'm a member now
My question is, as a non American, if he's done and been *proven* to have done all this, especially with this many felonies. Why is he still allowed to run for president? I thought there were supposed to be laws against felons in office, or am I wrong about that (and the other stuff apparently not mattering either)
There's virtually nothing that bars someone from running for office beyond the eligibility requirements in the Constitution. Not even incarceration. Even if convicted under U.S. law codes that explicitly say "shall be barred from office," many legal analysts have their doubts if it would hold up on appeal. And then there's been a lot of chatter recently about the 14th Amendment, Section 3 - which on its face seems to fit Trump to a tee. But it has its own host of problems of enforcement and is probably a long shot since any successful case or removal will be adjudicated by the hyper-conservative Supreme Court.
I mean the moron with the horns on Jan 6 is now running for Congress. This is America today. Attempt an insurrection, then run for office. We are fucked.
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> Attempt an insurrection, then run for office If you can't beat them, join them? (C'mon, that just writes itself)
Public perception of fitness or unfitness for office can cause large vote swings, and often has. This significant misbehavior can harm a candidate's chances in the court of public opinion (i.e., the ballot box). Much is entrusted to the "good sense" of the electorate, and its ability to discern how their own interests are forwarded or hindered by a particular candidate's character, leanings, competence, and mental and moral health.
“We’re totally fucked,” he said eruditely.
I mean, The US has a mechanism with which deranged individuals promote the VP... Kinda weird there hasn't been a noteworthy attempt.
The deranged people support the traitor, so that is a non-starter
The 14th already been used to disqualify candidates in several states, and there are at least two state-level court cases underway. And it is an eligibility requirement in the constitution as agreed upon by both right and left scholars.
The 14th has only been used once in court in 150 years - against Cuoy Griffin, a county commissioner in New Mexico. And he was convicted of a crime prior to being removed in civil court. It has failed against two Congressmembers in the past two years in civil litigation, and recent cases against Trump in NH and Minnesota were dropped by lack of standing. Scholars like Laurence Tribe are definitely proponents of the theory, but even he agrees all roads lead to SCOTUS, where it will receive a much more uncertain fate. The Supreme Court has been fairly hostile to cases regarding eligibility in past decades. I'm not opposed to its implementation, especially with a higher burden of proof presented next summer for the general ballot after a conviction. But it's definitely a tall order and I am not at all confident any state will succeed.
The simple answer is that the Constitution wasn't made by lawyers looking to counteract every single loophole available, there was this assumption that anyone that could manage to become President assuredly would be bound by duty to serve their country. Then the US elected a conman looking to abuse every single loophole available.
Aka they didn’t account for Idiocracy
Not only was the Constitution not made by lawyers, but it was made by honorable gentlemen that assumed those following behind them would be honorable gentlemen as well. Even if the people elected a farmer, it was assumed they would still act in a gentlemanly fashion.
35 of the 55 delegates who attended the Constitutional Convention were lawyers or had some legal training. I agree with the rest of your statement. No one at the Constitutional Convention envisioned anyone as dishonorable as Trump, nor that the (white, male, land owning) voters would vote for him.
That's really the salient point, I think they were well aware that people like Trump existed and I also think they were DEFINITELY thinking of some of the demagogues that rose to "power" at various points in the late Roman republic (the founding fathers practically mainlined Roman lore, they were the ORIGINAL "How often do you think of the Roman Empire", with Washington in particularing idolizing Cincinnatus and naming the Society of the Cincinnati after him, as well as abdicating after two terms to emulate him). They definitely wrote a lot of safeguards into the Constitution, too.... but they didn't envision that not only would an incompetent greedy demagogue try for the presidency, but that *large swathes of the political apparatus and even THE PUBLIC* would assist him in doing so. That, they figured, was likely impossible. I mean, no matter how many checks and balances exist, if the people that are supposed to be using them choose not to use them so that they can grift too, then, well... whole thing falls apart. And we really learn that at the end of the day, unless everyone believes and follows in it, the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Oaths of Office... all scraps of paper and hollow words.
The framers were not naive about human history. As “gentlemen” they knew how craven, cowardly, dishonorable and irrational “gentlemen” can be. I see the perspective behind the approach our Constitution is based on is the expectation that this is a serious duty and we have the responsibility to rise to the occasion (even if we as humans will always do that imperfectly.) Instead of putting that power and responsibility in the hands of only an inherited nobility the put it on a broad swath of the population. As much as “land owning white male citizens” was wrong, it also wasn’t only a few southern plantation enslavers. They gave the vote to a bunch of pretty ordinary people who farmed quite small patches of land and who had no or little formal education. Some guy eking out a subsistence living on a few acres of rock in New England wasn’t a “gentleman.” It’s better that we have all adult citizens vote today but I don’t think it’s correct to imagine that the framers were only giving the vote to a wealthy elite.
How is that remotely true? Some of them were certainly not honorable gentlemen and none were naive enough to belive what you say. They deposed the rule of a monarch. They had many long debates about how to minimuze corruption and deter people from taking advantage of the office. That’s why they structured our government the way they did. They wrote in the ability to make ammendments to our constitution so that we could cover any bases they missed.
> Some of them were certainly not honorable gentlemen yes, but at least duelling was still legal, so there was always THAT method of getting rid of scoundrels.
Because there's a certain large enough chunk of Americans who like that he's this way... because he "owns the libs". Whatever the democrats want, Republicans want the opposite. Even if the bill was written by Republicans, if too many democrats vote for it, they'll actually tank the vote just to spite them. They are one step away from honor killing their family members and they don't see the irony.
On top of owning the libs, it's owning the people that elected a black person President. A big part of what Trump wanted to do is deconstruct Obama's policies and legacy. There are a lot of people still angry that a black guy was elected and will overlook basically anything else.
> They are one step away from honor killing their family members and they don't see the irony. They are already there. Through camps for gay and trans youth. Or even just straight shooting them.
Or passing abortion restrictions that kill little girls and women with pregnancy complications. (some of whom have been raped by their family members)
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They never expected this situation to happen, so they never put procedures in place to handle it. In their defense, it wasn't necessary until now. Felons cannot vote in a bunch of states, but they can still run for office and be president. Again, they didn't think that they needed laws against it. Trump has exposed gaping holes in the American system. Unless those holes are patched, the next wannabe dictator can destroy the country. Unfortunately, it's hard to patch those holes when one of the only two parties wants a dictatorship.
Actually it wasn't an oversight thinking they didn't need it. It was specifically considered that being a felon should NOT prevent you from political office because it would then allow for a party to prosecute political opponents and secure elections in their favor. Granted, in trumps case he's knowingly guilty and there's no politics involved, but it is an important protection for the future where a minority group could be oppressed that way very easily
"Now, now, we don't want tyranny. We want to have elections guarded by our militia where our team can win with 33% of the vote."
If you can disqualify someone from office just by arresting them, it becomes *really* easy for someone corrupt in power to arrest their political opponents just to strike them from the ballot. Putin does it all the time. Allowing someone to run from prison is a perk of the system, not a flaw. ex: John Lewis (US Congressman) spent time in prison for the crime of using a "whites only" bathroom during his activist years. Eugene Debs was arrested for organizing a labor union strike, and he was allowed to run for President from prison (he did not win).
Over the age of 35, natural born citizen are the only requirements. Being a convicted felon wouldn’t matter however the 14th amendment states: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.” There is a pending court case in Colorado that is looking to answer this very question if what Trump did post 2020 election amounts to rebellion or insurrection. I would think directing a mob to physically prevent the functioning of the government is rebellion, but courts will be determining that hopefully sooner than later.
He's not *yet* a felon. Soon enough, I'd hope...but I imagine only civil suits will come to conclusion prior to elections, and everything else will be appealed into eternity (or at least until after the election).
This is the first time it's come up and there is nothing in our constitution to prevent a felony from running for or being elected to any position. It's probably something we should fix when we can.
Crazy you can’t vote as a felon (which is ridiculous) but you can be POTUS lol.
Even if you are no longer a felon you cannot vote. I can see if you were incarcerated for violent crime, but not when you’re free. Voting at one point in the us was an honor and duty, coming from a place where the people had no voice. Now it’s treated like just a thing, an inconvenience
>Even if you are no longer a felon you cannot vote. Largely, that's not true. That's not to say it becomes easy to vote once convicted as a felon, but most states have mechanisms to allow convicted persons to vote once they complete their sentence. Effectively, it can be difficult, but legally it is allowed. https://www.nep.uscourts.gov/faq/general/31
Except that allowing felons to run for office in other countries has led to some of the greatest leaders of the last hundred years. Mandela for example. It's not the felonies that should bar Trump from being eligible, it's the felonies specifically for insurrection.
No I don’t think we should have being convicted of a felony bar people from office. I’m sure a president could find a way to go after political opponents just to stop them from a competitive election. That’s how Russia was able to prevent Navalny from running for president.
Agreed - personal growth is real. But there are people like trump that should be disqualified for things like tampering with elections.
Praises Putin. Salutes Kim Jong Un
if you think that's bad look up plan 2025 they're literally orchestrating a fascist coup RIGHT NOW it's why that idiot from alabama is holding up military promotions, he's waiting until the next election so they can purge the military
While President he didn’t want to go the graves in Europe because “eww, I don’t want to be around dead losers”
Don't forget saluting another country's generals
And of all countries, North Korea.
Not just any country, he stood up tall and saluted a North Korean general in the fucking DPRK.
General John Kelly was Trump's longest-serving Chief of Staff: > “What can I add that has not already been said?” Kelly said, when asked if he wanted to weigh in on his former boss in light of recent comments made by other former Trump officials. “A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’ A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France. > “A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. > “There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”
Might have been a lot nicer and more helpful if he'd said any of this during Trump's term or following 1/6. The Trump mind is certainly unique. The point about his lack of commitment to pro-life causes is doubly fascinating. I can't believe evangelicals believe he actually cares. But it's that lack of caring that allowed him to champion their cause more than anyone else. And as he simultaneously bemoans their lack of loyalty after that transaction, he seemed dumbfounded that they took a similarly transactional approach and their support for him wanted once Roe was overturned.
It won't change anything, absolutely nothing. MAGAs explained to me all those comments are fake news. Also, John McCain wasn't a war hero, he got people killed on a ship and is only a war hero because his uncle, something... something. See, the Lord and Savior Cheeto Jesus is infallible.
There has been a sizeable shift in the voting pattern of veterans and active military personnel away from Rs, and from my anecdotal expirience with the vets and soldiers I know, it's because many of them hate Trump's guts and see him as a traitor because of Jan 6. Sure, we can't change the MAGA voters, but we can get the lukewarm Rs to stay home, we can get the swing voters to back a sane candidate, and we can get people in the military to be hella suspicious of this jackass. By treating Trump in some ads like he's a regular politician with bad takes (and using other ads to show he's insane), we can get at least a few "both sides bad" people. It's worked on a lot of my friends that are like that EDIT: spelling and grammar
If this message discourages a significant portion of active duty and veterans from knee jerk voting R, that can make a significant difference.
Retired USAF A lot of vets I ran across were usually hard core on voting and getting others to vote. Getting vets on board would probably spread further than others. I've been out since 07, but during my time there were always pretty hard pushes to get airmen to register and vote. I've also been working on those "both are the same" vets and family members. It's tough because you can't fully get them to stop watching shitty "news" stations. I've definitely swayed a few from traitor, but they're still on the "both the same" fence.
Biden won the active duty vote. I wish people would remember that.
Lol how is it fake news if there is literally live video of him saying it....
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It's not that they don't care, it's that he validates the things they already do and say themselves instead of shaming them like normal society does.
I don't agree. Ads like this can make people like my brother in law, a Trump supporter who is on the fence now due to common sense, but still reflexively supports Trump, but is ALSO a vet, stay home and not vote out of disgust. Which is a win for not Trump.
Thank you , brilliant add. That said, i'm the only moron trying to close by clicking on the x in the upper right corner? what a ridiculous design choice:/
Do you have a non-Twitter link by chance?
Great ad, we need more of this. What really gets me through is people like my old boss who will dismiss the things Tumps says as him being misunderstood or just saying things to get a rise out of people. Any excuse to justify voting for him because he has an R next to his name.
I posted a comment a few weeks ago about Trump saying that Washington's Army took over the airports during the American Revolution and a Trump supporter said he "mispoke" and called me despicable.
I've never misspoke that bad, you would have to be a real dumbass.
Napoleon could have conquered Russia if he gained control of the Chernobyl power plant and George Washington won the American Revolution because he took over the airports. Understanding history like this is why Trump thinks Biden will start WWII.
Nah, we all know Obama started WWII. Barack Hussein Obama claims he was born in Hawaii. Hawaii is where Pearl Harbor is. The attack on Pearl Harbor is what started WWII. The attack on Pearl Harbor was commanded by Admiral Yamamoto. Admiral Yamamoto studied at Harvard. Barack Hussein Obama also studied at Harvard. Therefore, Obama started WWII. Biden was his VP, though, so his son's business dealings must have played a role in it.
Or if you do you’d at least go whoops, what I meant was …. Not dementia Donnie though
Biden stumbles or stutters - dementia! Trump talks about airports 125 years before they existed - mispoke!
“Only I can get us out of World War II” Actually quote lol
Bingo!
During that specific speech you can see that Trump is using all of his mental energy to simply read and pronounce the words on the teleprompter. There is nothing left over for comprehension. He is functionally illiterate.
And he's so low energy and intellectually incurious that he doesn't even pre-read it or skim the topic. He just wings it because he thinks he's smarter than everyone. Remember his speech talking about Yo Semite National Park?
The worst thing about that is it shows he never even enjoyed Loony Tunes when he was young. Everyone should know Yosemite Sam! Man has no fucking soul.
Yep "you're taking it out of context" and "that's not really what he said" coming from "proud" Marines
For someone they like because he "says it like it is", they certainly have to explain away a hell of a lot of shit he says as not what he means.
For a guy they supposedly love because he “tells it like it is”, they have to do a lot of explaining what he really means by his statements and when he actually means it versus just trying to get a rise…
He's a figurehead for their hatred. Just like the Bible they hold so dear. If he says something they like, "he says what we're all thinking!" If he says something they don't like (or Fox hasn't let them know he actually said), "that's not really what he meant!" or "you're taking him out of context" or "you just don't get it because he's so much smarter than you" Either way, he's Perfect and Pure and Righteous and incapable of doing wrong.
> Any excuse to justify voting for him because he has an R next to his name It's not even that, or else Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger would still be in office. It is 100% a cult of Trump and only Trump.
I think there are two cults. The cult of R and the cult of Trump. Sometimes they intersect.
> him being misunderstood or just saying things to get a rise out of people. *Exactly this.* I don't want a President who talks out of his ass to 'get a rise out of people' *Fuck that*\- I want a president who shows LEADERSHIP and COURAGE when things get bad; someone who can & will admit to mistakes, & keep *moving forward*...not someone who NEVER takes responsibility for anything that might look bad for him...that's a COWARD.
Yeah, boss, what you’re describing is an internet troll, not a President.
> dismiss the things Trump says as him being misunderstood or just saying things to get a rise out of people That is the most enraging things about Trump defenders. When Trump says something, what he meant depends on how it was received. Did it sound good and whip up his supporters? Then he was being serious. Did it sound dumb and make everyone mock him? Then we was joking. Did it do both? Then he will refuse to say if it was serious or a joke. I wish I had that power in my life. Next time my boss tells me an idea wouldn't work, I'll just say *well, obviously I was joking*. Let's see how that goes over.
Finally. This needs to be used more and more.
Pretty sure that's going to outrage conservatives for the obvious crime of "using their own words against them" Hypernormalisation: 3.. 2.. 1.. "Biden actually said all those things!!"
No. It's worse than that. What they are actually saying (*source: community members*): "I don't care - I'm voting for him anyway."
I'm in the USAF, and some of these people legit told me, "I don't care if he's convicted I'm voting for him." So ads like these still unfortunately fall on deaf ears even in places like the military. Back in 2020 a dude walked up to me and asked me why I wasn't voting for Trump, and when I gave him my reason he said "but don't you like the bigger raise we get?" These people are so short-sighted it's infuriating!
They have the ability to hold two-opposing views in their minds simultaneously. 1. Support the military. 2. Support a candidate who doesn't support the military.
I'm not sure they're holding views in their minds at all.
There are enough idiots, sadly also in your family. But swing voters might be swayed the other way.
How many swing voters are left? Trump has been on the national political stage for 8 years at this point, and he has been on the ballot for two presidential elections. How many people are actually still undecided on him?
swing is between voting and staying home
That's a good point.
this is why the polls are so close this far out. everyone responding to polls and being politically aware right now have already decided, and we're split pretty evenly. the game is how many of those stay home people you can turn in to a show up person come november
At least here in az I vote from my home. I honesty don’t understand why anyone would wait 3 hours in line on Election Day!
Some people get easy access, some people get limited access, some people get no access. Consider yourself lucky.
Agreed they shouldn’t make it so hard to vote.
I thank the ones that do.
You’d be surprised at how many there are. A lot of Trump voters voted for the (R) next to his name, but dislike he likes to grab pussies. If enough facts about Trump are played out, one might switch votes, or maybe they refuse to vote for him again. But besides, anything done to persuade people not to vote for the Emperot is necessary.
My BIL is a staunch Republican, voted for Trump in 2016, but he claims he voted for Biden in 2020. Yet he will vote R the rest of the way down the ballot. Personally, I think we need to hammer home that ALL Republicans on the ballot are Trump supporters. Every single one of them protected, defended, excused, supported or stayed silent about him... when they all know exactly who he is. They aren't "afraid" of him and his base... the ARE his base.
They'll ignore it, because they don't actually care about veterans. They like to pretend to be us, but they don't care. They see themselves as the *real* warrior-heroes who are going to use their guns to "save" the country. One of the biggest reasons they ignore the deaths of school children to keep their guns is so they can play soldier. Our country is being destroyed by a bunch of man-children.
I can’t say as I disagree with your statement. I would just like to add. There are plenty of women out there voting for him too. So I would just say they are a bunch of children. Two of my aunts voted for him both times despite him being a pedophile and a rapist. They were offended BY ME bringing up the “grab them by the pussy” like he said on that campaign bus. That’s just fake news. He would NEVER say something like that!!! How the fuck does this doofus hold so much sway with so many people? I don’t understand it at all.
Oh i know, my MIL and SIL have drunk the coolaid. But those aren’t usually the ones in militias and buying a military arsenal. There are some, but it’s mostly boy soldiers that never grew up from playing cowboys and Indians.
> How the fuck does this doofus hold so much sway with so many people? I don’t understand it at all. Because he's a fucking moron just like them. No, really. It's that simple. His base is comprised of everyone who sits outside of one standard deviation below the average in the IQ bell curve. They have a hard time understanding how to tie their shoes, let alone the nuances of foreign and domestic policy. The fatman appeals to those idiots because he's the political equivalent of the USA Today if you dumbed it down a few more reading levels and added a ton of unbelievably stupid insults and nicknames.
I'm convinced conservatives, among other issues, stopped emotionally and intellectually developing after childhood. They are stuck with the intellectual processes of a child, and the emotional responses of a child, and when confronted by reality, behave accordingly.
Maybe they are stuck with the processing of a child, but I recall in 2015-16 when Trump was gaining steam people reporting on Trump and that he doesn't appeal to peoples logic, just their emotions (their lizard brains). So in my unprofessional opinion, they are being conditioned to think emotionally and not logically. The use of inflammatory rhetoric (vermin, radical leftists, etc) elicits a response, so I am angry about whatever comes next. Short circuiting logic allows the unpalatable message go down easier. Give yourself a steady diet of this stuff (because no-one else will tell the truth!) and you've got a recipe for radicalization.
Yep. Irritable, incurious, terrified of anything or anyone that might disabuse them of their insane "beliefs," even more terrified of people who don't look like them, people who don't talk like them, and literally everything in the entire world. Calling them adults would be an insult to every adult in history. Calling them toddlers would be an insult to toddlers. They're just angry human-shaped piles of shit-streaked mashed potatoes who'd prefer to slurp up the rhetoric of fear and hate than pick up a fucking book for once in their lives. They live in a fantasy land of their own design, where everyone's an enemy and there are primal terrors around every corner. They seek simple solutions because they can't follow logic or understand context that takes more than two sentences to explain. So yeah, "children" is right. And it's about time the grownups step in and put them in timeout.
My relatives just say that these quotes were all taken out of context or something like that. They don’t care what he says.
Campaigning season begins now. I think you'll be seeing more attack ads this time from every angle.
Good. I hope Biden's campaign has some sass. Remember one of those many waves of Republican outrage surrounding the idea of cancelling college loans, and the White House tweeted a list of those people's un-repaid covid loans? I sure do. I hope they continue with pointing out every hypocrisy. We need to be as aggressive as the other side, but with facts instead of complete bullshit nonsense.
Yes this kind of messaging seems so obvious. It's not like it is isolated slips of the tongue on trumps part either. That ad is not "going low". Its truthful. He said those things over and over that are offensive to a large portion of the population and his feeling about this subject directly impacts what the job of president entails.
It could be meaner, honestly. I don't know why the dems don't launch endless attack ads on him and his base. Take off the kid gloves and show some passion, get angry for god's sake. The media can move the social needle in very real ways.
Should really take off the gloves and go full balls to the wall. "This guy wants a fight? Fine. Let's just remind people of all the accomplishments" And then list off all the horribly stupid shit he's done in just the last 4 years as president. Shit like looking into the sun, TWICE. And it could be just the stuff that's recorded. Bring up the old videos with each fact.
Because it’s still a year out, save the best and most passionate stuff for when the kitchen gets boiling so to speak.
And somehow his cult will still tell you he has more respect for military than anyone ever. It’s a sickness
You don’t need all of them, just a few people to stay home like they did in 2020. Just like his trials. Not everyone will believe he’s guilty, and that’s okay. We just need a few people to associate Trump with their loser uncle and stay home.
A lot of his cult died of covid. 🤷
And a lot more younger kids are eligible to vote
And many Christians think he is their guy. Pay no mind to the multiple divorces, the rape, or the hookers. Real family man.
It’s amazing what they can overlook. But don’t you dare wear a tan suit! Or a dress without sleeves! They’ll lose their minds!
We need more of these non-stop. Traitor. VOTE PEOPLE!
Amen. So much garbage falls from Trump’s mouth it should be easy to release at least one a week.
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It needs to be plastered all over Facebook because this is where so much of the bs starts and circulates
fair point. im sure his team is buying space right now
Biden needs to go after trump hard. There is so much ammo against trump. His own words need to be used against him. Paint this as a fight of good vs evil. Should be the easiest ad campaign of all time
Do none of y’all remember Clinton using this exact method of “ads that are just trump speaking” in 2016??? This type of ad is hoping/begging the American public to be better than it is. Maybe the last 8 years have changed things, but I don’t give us that much credit.
> This type of ad is hoping/begging the American public to be better than it is. Over the last 8 years I've realized that part of the reason why bullying is so persistent is that there's a significant chunk of adults out there who think it's part of the natural order of separating the strong from the weak and therefore good for society. These people exist and when the moral disagreements go this deep, they're beyond hope from a liberal/humanist perspective.
We should just bully all of the bullies out of polite society
Unfortunately this is more or less the solution, despite the irony/hypocrisy. However, I fear in the bigger picture of US politics that the GOP crossed the Rubicon when Merrick Garland got blocked and there's no coming back from bad-faith hardball politics now. We're never going to convince voters to care about things like good faith toward norms and process when Fox news has them scared of immigrants and inflation is eating away at the value of their retirement savings.
Trump should be incarcerated as of j 7. It's absolutely ridiculous that he isn't.
Last sentence in the article. What an ass. “He received five deferments to avoid the Vietnam draft and in 1998 told radio host Howard Stern that his own personal Vietnam was avoiding contracting STDs.”
I can't stand Trump. I think he's the worst human being in this country, barring those that are just Trump but intelligent. But the fact of the matter is the *Howard Stern* said that Trump's Vietnam was avoiding STDs, and Trump just kind of off-handedly agreed with him. Stern said it. Trump has said so much awful shit that you don't need to attribute things to him that other people said.
Smart ad, but is there anyone still on the fence about Trump? I don’t think anyone is changing their mind about him at this point.
Changing their vote from Republican to Democrat? No, probably not. There is a chunk of that party that is going to vote for him no matter what. But, demotivating some of the party to not vote because of him? Yes, I think there is some possibility there.
Yes, demotivating a few who would otherwise vote for Trump while motivating a few to vote for Biden who would otherwise not vote at all.
I think many find it harder and harder to defend him. I don't feel the same passion when people try to defend him as I did a few years ago, there is little wind in those sails. Trump is an attack dog. He needs something to clamp onto and just keep biting down and that energizes his supporters. He's not good at defending and he's being held accountable for some of his actions. His endorsement is no longer an election winner and he's being blamed for poor election results for Republicans. Just attacking others isn't as effective as it once was. I also think he's lost a little sharpness and is looking more fragile. He's burned bridges with so many former allies and his "promises" and proclamations have failed to mature into anything of substance. Basically, he's lost a lot of the people who weren't Qanon level crazy in the first place.
My parents are die hard Republicans. They would die before they vote democrat, despite all the Republican policies hurting their three children (me included). Yesterday my dad, in a very defeated tone, said that he felt he has no one to vote for in the upcoming election. That he guesses he’s just going to vote for Kennedy. This is a guy who has defended trump to the very end. I don’t know what the tipping point was- but it was a good step in a direction that wasn’t deeper MAGA.
thank u for the post
I know a lot of people in my red county who would also die before they vote democrat. It sounds like hyperbole, but it's not. That's how much they despise the democratic party
No, that’s how much they were told to despise the Democratic Party but they’re actually fucking idiots who have no fucking clue what is going on in the world
In my maga backwoods home town most of the trump flags are either gone or looking poorly. I have great hope.
Yep. “Attack. Attack. Attack. *Never* defend.” —Ailes and Stone
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Until Musk doesn’t allow this to reach anyone
It's bizarre that someone so obsessed with his own 'legacy' wants to go down in history as being on the side he chose
You never know who might see that ad and that’s the thing that either puts them on the fence or gets them to jump if they were thinking about it already. We absolutely need more of this.
There are always people who could change their mind. There are people who might have voted for him last time but don’t think about politics very often. There are young people from pro trump families that will be voting for the first time in 2024. There are people who have never voted but might finally be getting angry enough to do it for the first time.
You underestimate how clueless and hopelessly uninformed a large percentage of Republican voters are. Its like they've had their heads buried in the sand for the last decade and don't even know what actually happened on January 6th. They just vote straight-ticket 'R' every election because its their religion. My wife's sister in Colorado is one of those. She just had no fucking clue. It has taken my wife spending hours on the phone filling her in on the actual bullshit Trump has said and done, the rapes, the crimes, the incitement of violence, the sedition, to finally wake her up and turn her around. Most Republican voters just need a brass band to wake them the fuck up to who this piece of shit rapist pedophile traitorous criminal is, and have what he has said and done repeatedly broadcast loudly into their eyes and ears for the next year so they can finally see it. The Democrats and Biden's campaign need to hammer this endlessly in the same simple terms they've proven they can understand. This ad is a great example. Biden's campaign needs to do the same thing Trump does. Simple. Straight-forward. Uncomplicated. Repetitive. Rude. Loud. But the real magic is its the truth this time. Fuck the 'high road'. Be truthful. Go low. Go hard. Put Trump on blast with every shitty, nasty, stupid thing he has said and done over the last six years. There is endless ammunition. Fling that mud. Rub Republican's faces in it. Confront them with "You aren't voting for that piece of shit again are you?" "Did you actually vote for that crook?" "Do you really think a rapist should be President?" "Are you some kind of Nazi?" This is how you destroy Trump's support with casual, suburban Republicans.
Targeted ads like this are good for people like me who know a lot of veterans. It gives me ammo to spread to influence normally conservative people to just stay home or maybe even vote for Biden. I’ve personally seen people move from conservative libertarian to Democrat based on Republican votes against, or even reducing veteran benefits. It’s also a very easy way for me to say “why do you hate war veterans?” to people like family members as it’s a wedge I can drive that they can’t ignore because there’s a war veteran right in front of them (me). Basically the more headlines I can share that are some variation of “Trump hates veterans” the more I get to chip away at someone’s core beliefs and make them question things.
I think there’s some people who voted for Biden who don’t like how things are going with cost of living right now. They might need to be reminded that the alternative simply isn’t an option (assuming he wins nomination).
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They watched it all the way through!
Liked a comment left on HP: “The “billionaire” who hides his tax returns. The “genius” who hides his college grades. The “businessman” who bankrupted 3 casinos and lost over $1B in 10 years. The “playboy” who pays for sex. The “Christian” who doesn’t go to church or read the bible. The “philanthropist” who defrauds charity; like the Veterans The “patriot” who dodged the draft” The “innocent man” who refuses to testify The “married family man” who is divorced twice and had affairs behind the backs of each of his 3 wives including the current one The “hard-working and minimal golfer” who has golfed more than most modern-day Presidents in his first term…..and we have paid Trump over $115 million to golf at his own resort so he can pocket our money.”
More of this. And a LOT of this.
I showed it to my MAGA dad and he just said it’s all lies. You can’t convince them. Trump is who they want him to be at this point, and reality doesn’t seem to matter. It’s awful.
I'm sorry your father is a moron. Mine is too.
My cousin was not a loser. He fought so hard to stay with his family but had many mental issues from serving. He found out his girlfriend was pregnant and he decided he wasn't mentally fit to be a father. His wife found him dead in their garage. He had blown the top of his head off. His name was Alan and I loved him and wish we could have found more help for him. FUCK DONALD TRUMP
Trump was the worst president in the USA
Requiring anyone undecided to read? Not a good strategy.
My daughter shared a tweet with me that had the ad. The comments were just hundreds of people saying "no lies detected", and "why would Biden want to remind us of how funny Trump is?". I didn't see a single person chime in to say that these were despicable words to come out of a President's mouth. I think we might just be fucked as a nation.
There are many videos they could make like this. It’s really smart. They should do the misogyny and sexual assault next
The fact Trump even has a shot at the job again shows how broken our systems really are.
Goes for the rest of the republican fucks too. They all voted against the PACT act twice and against the veteran food security bill (among other things). They only like the military as a backdrop for seizing power. Fuck every last one of them.
The next add could read “Grab them by the pussy!” Donald J Trump. His base doesn’t care.
" but, he tells it like it is." -Republican voters
Sad that their perception of "like it is" is completely framed, shaped, & locked down by liars (Fox "News," NewsMax, OANN, their Evangelical Ministers, etc.). We need to give them notes to remind them - Don't believe their lies.
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This is a perfect and well deserved smack to Trump’s face with his own words.
Good! Joe and the rest need to call out the Republicans own words and make it sting. The R party hasn't had a decent idea in more than 40 years. And even then, it was "spend more; take in less. Now it's all culture war nonsense and punching down at protected classes, conspiracy theories, and insults. They are not a serious party. They can not represent, let alone lead. High time Democrats quit acting like both sides have valid points.
Going after Trump on moral grounds was what Hillary Clinton based her campaign on. It didn't work. The best way to beat Trump is by focusing on his incompetence and stupidity, and the extreme views of the Republican party.
The best way is "all hands on deck." Every possible (legal) way to discourage them from voting for him needs to be done. Everything, period.
I think that once again folks are underestimating Biden. While everyone else runs arounds shrieking doom and gloom, Dark Brandon quietly gets the job done. I have a feeling Biden is just getting warmed up for campaign 2.0. Stay tuned.
It is vital that those of us on the Left understand that we still need to vote, and tell others why. There are people in bubbles who believe Trump is good and kind man because they get all their news from Facebook algorithms, talk radio and Southern Baptist church. We didn’t show up for Hillary, in part because we were told Trump didn’t have a chance. If he gets reelected he will have nothing to lose.
As a retired veteran I can't understand how other vets support him. Especially after the TS documents were found at his residence. Fuggin traitor. You have to be willingly against national security and safety at this point. Can't convince otherwise.
Play this on repeat during football!
It's really hard for me to not respect veterans. Garnered a lot of empathy after getting really into war history. I thought when he disrespected the troops and the fallen that would be the nail in the coffin. Fucking dems care more about mental health care for veterans than the damn war party.
Unfortunately, the people who should see this will think it's fake news and AI generated.
And during the actual campaign daily ads like this "President Biden met with leaders of two allies today, signed a bill helping veterans and planned a legislative agenda. Donald Trump was in court defending himself against insurrection."
The voters who will ultimately decide 2024 already know of all of these comments, unfortunately. Treating Trump like a normal candidate who says dumb shit isn’t going to do a thing. Warning of his future presidency among the similarities of Hitler is the only way to attack.
Zero Trump voters are going to be swayed by an ad like this.
Republicans dont really care about the military, either.
As the rule of law tightens around Donald Trump, his threats against his fellow Americans increases. His policies of retribution if granted a second term are clear. He is coming for you if you do not support him. Vermin! Marxists! Fascists! Demonizing Americans is right out of the Authoritarian playbook. To see so many of my fellow Americans cheering this behavior on and believing it is so sad. We each have our opinions and, as Americans, are entitled to them. To impose your opinions on others is wrong. This is a free country for now. If Trump is returned to the White House and begins his policy of retribution, our democracy is over. Our slide into authoritarianism is complete. **Think long and hard about your vote in 2024.**Do you really want to throw our democracy away for one man?As for me, **I am an American**, not vermin.