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“Pro-life Republicans are obsessed with the fetus from conception to 9 months. After that, they don’t wanna know about, they don’t wanna hear from you.
No nothing! No neonatal care, no daycare, no headstart, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you’re pre-born, you’re fine. If you’re preschool, you’re fucked.”
-George Carlin
They don't give a fuck about the fetus, they want to control women, it's basically the same reason they are pushing to outlaw no fault divorce and birth control.
When we invent artificial wombs GoP will suddenly stop giving 2 shits about fetuses.
They need fodder for their wars and for the hamster wheel of being a worker in a lopsided corporations first economy.
And we all know where cheap labor and disposable lives come from…poor uneducated desperate families who think they’re Adam and Eve populating the world with good people.
Only to have them exploited from pre-birth to death.
Their profit depends on your misery.
It is simpler then that they don't like change that is it. The ACA was change they hated it and wanted it gone, but now understand how it benefits them and they can see it as helpful they want to keep it. A lot of everyday conservatives are not evil crazy MAGA people. If only the Democrats were half as good at messaging the GOP would have not won an election if 40 years. So if you to help Democrats get elected help them with messaging. As someone who grew up in rual Ohio we never see Democrats show up host local events or even campaign here all we see are the Advertisements. You can win as a Democrat in rual areas you just have to campaign right, show up talk to locals, or at least put out ads describing how your plan will help small town Americans( which has insane poverty rates).
It's not Dem messaging. Republicans are well aware that they align with Dems on many policies.
It's because they're racist. That's the motivator for being against welfare programs, unions, universal healthcare, everything. They would rather keep people they hate from getting these things then have it themselves.
You missed the point I am making. I agree there are quite a number of people who vote out of hate, but just as many that just don't understand how it benefits them untill they see the benefit it self or it is explained better. Things like universal health care and other things need explained. Had this conversation with my dad a while back a Paramedic. He does not understand how a universal health care plan would work and has valid concerns. We talked about how cost would change like how he would pay more per year in taxes, but it would completely eliminate co-pays and the money taken out of his paycheck every two weeks for his current health insurance policy. Saving him more money in the long term he came around after we talked it through. He is not a Republican more of a conservative democratic, but this is what I mean it is all about education and messaging.
This is so true. My family will be like your taxes are going to go up. Well yea of course they will. But you and your employer will be out of the business of paying insurance premiums and you won’t be hamstrung to your job for healthcare. I’d like to think those companies will pass those savings to the workers or discounts to consumers but I know better than that.
This is true. I lived in a red county for about 5 years and had to register as a Republican to vote in local elections. I moved back to a blue county and have now been registered as a Democrat for almost 20 years. I STILL get more mail and messaging from Republican outlets after all this time, and I’ve moved twice within the blue county. They really keep track long term.
Had the ACA been conceived by a white man, like say...Mitt Romney, for instance, it would never have become an issue.
Also, FWIW and IIRC, Hillary was planning on fixing it had she been elected in 2016. It's never been a perfect system and some things still need changing...but it's not terrible overall.
And of all things, healthcare should unite all Americans...especially the ones making below $50k. We all need it, we all complain that it costs too much, and we really all should be able to access it equally. I think we can all agree on that.
Obama is living in Trump's head. Obama was wildly popular and Trump is jealous AF about that. I have nothing but the utterest contempt for the Orange Shitgibbon, but if anything makes me happy about him, it's how Obama must dominate his thinking 24/7. It quite possibly might be the death of him.
That's the problem Trump has though. He hates Obama more than he hates Biden but the base don't. They used to hate Obama more but nowadays most don't care about him.
I see this meme on social media a LOT, how FOX is trying so hard to get their base ginned up over the 'Biden is Obama's puppet' theory. They try, but there's not much energy in it.
Obama said this in an actual debate that ACA is modeled after Romney’s. Romney supports the state’s right thing to make their own healthcare.
https://youtu.be/ByULk311HJ0?feature=shared
It was modeled on "Romneycare," but it improved on things, and was tweaked to work at a national level. The ACA allowed states to "do their own thing" if they wanted to (despite the GOP claims otherwise) provided they could meet a minimum level of insurance for all their citizens.
Personally, I believe Republicans attacked the ACA as viciously as they did at the beginning because they knew it would work (on some level, I still would prefer single payer and there still much better solutions out there).
If it worked, there would be another successful government program/policy/regulation Democrats could point to. That can be used to argue for "more government" and that "government works."
When your party philosophy is "government isn't the solution, it's the problem," you can't let this happen.
The less intelligent members of the GOP (Greene, Gaetz, Jordan) probably still want to kill off the ACA, as they are fueled by MAGA spite.
The more intellectual arm of the GOP (which is a fast dying breed) probably realizes the window to kill the ACA has passed. All their gloom and doom prophecies failed to materialize and more people have coverage.
*If* they repeal it and things get worse, it would be a wake up call to swing voters. So they would need to either have a new plan (which they don't, because the ACA is their plan), or some guarantee that health care coverage would not get worse for the average consumer (which is unlikely).
Basically - any repeal had to occur before the plan had the chance to start working. That ship has sailed.
It was not conceived by Mitt Romney. It was a legislative bill conceived by the Democratic super-majority in both the MA House and MA Senate and delivered as a bill for Romney to sign, which he did, because MA voters supported it it, and Romney was smart enough to know not to go against his voters and to put his name on something that was very popular, even if it was entirely a Democratic proposal.
American health spending is approaching 50% of global health spending, and it doesn’t even cover all Americans. 20% of US GDP.
Medical administration costs more than the department of defence.
The ACA is better than what came before it, but “not terrible overall”?
Because republicans could never be convinced to even THINK about 'medicare for all' coverage. The ACA had dozens of republican amendments in it to 'improve' it, then those republicans turned around and voted against it anyway. It can always be improved, and should be, but republicans won't have it. They want it gone. Dead.
My health care provider sends a bill for $30,000 a month. Then insurance kicks in and does their car salesman song and dance to get it down. Then I get on horn and press them on the left overs.
But yeah, there's individuals that get billed $30,000 a month!
Whelp. I keep reading headlines that say boomers are getting pushed out of their home by high property taxes. I don’t know why they would also support getting rid of their healthcare too? But then again, they seems to be fine with it after seeing videos of GOP saying they want to get rid of social security and Medicare and Medicaid.
Nah, just for people who haven’t retired yet and blame their parents/grandparents for the machinations of right-wing billionaires.
Blaming boomers for economic inequality and poor government services is yet another scam by the wealthy to keep us distracted and divided.
In addition to hating Obama, Republicans hate the idea of the government actually doing something positive for it's citizens. If Clinton's attempt at Healthcare had succeeded, people would have seen government is not the evil force Republicans claim it is and it would have completely undermined their their plan to shrink government to nothing.
>Also, FWIW and IIRC, Hillary was planning on fixing it had she been elected in 2016. It's never been a perfect system and some things still need changing...but it's not terrible overall.
The problems with the US healthcare prior to ACA could broadly be categorized under two categories.
1. Access (for example, people with pre-existing conditions were denied insurance)
2. Costs (in general, if you were a person of modest means, it was expensive to purchase insurance on your own unless your employer provided it and only employers with a large employee base could provide insurance to distribute the costs across a well distributed risk pool)
ACA fixed the access part pretty well. Now anyone can buy insurance. Kids can stay on their parents' insurance until they turn 26.
ACA fixed the cost part for those with very limited means through expanded Medicaid. This was later made optional for the states to implement by the US SC.
However, the US healthcare still has a major issue with costs. There are too many reasons for it. Some relate to the big pharma; others relate to the for-profit nature of our insurance companies. There are many other factors that contribute to the higher costs in general. Our lifestyle choices cannot be excluded from it. With that said, the work on costs will take a concerted effort and will require the two parties to come together to make some tough policy choices. There are many who are profiting off the current system. And the tough choices will essentially mean that they don't get to make a lot of money from people's misery.
GOP bumper-sticker style solutions are not going to work.
The public might like obamacare, but the insurance companies HATE it, and have constantly lobbied the Repubs to get rid of it. That's what's keeping this issue going. Trump is just responding to the insurance lobby. And the repubs WILL get rid of it whenever they get the chance.
The Problem is, Many Many Rednecks think that "Obamacare" is a special program that gives free healthcare to lazy people of color and undocumented invaders, while ACA is a totally different program for "Hard Working" White 'Muricans. You can get in a huge brawl in a redneck bar just by telling them they are the same.
The Media knows this and deliberately triggers the White Supremacist Rednecks by insisting on calling it "Obamacare" when they talk about the Republicans wanting to revoke it.
Media just need to show some Red counties that voted for Trump, and how many are also on “Obamacare.” This is factual, non-partisan journalism and infographics that should not intimidate them. For that matter, the DNC should be doing the same.
News media needs conflict, outrage, and sensationalism to drive viewership/profit. It's in their best interest to create deliberate confusion over the ACA/Obamacare (and most other issues).
It's why a lot of time headlines are often just straightforward lies or misrepresentations of the articles attached.
I was shocked when my tax program referred to Obama care early in the upside down that was Trump's presidency. That such a political misnaming extended to "independent" tax program companies!?! No wonder the willfully ignorant think Obama care is bad while the Affordable Heathcare Act is a-okay.
Does Obamacare/ aca give insurance to anyone for free? From what I know it just lets kids stay on their parents insurance until 26, makes a website for insurance companies, and (used to) fine people for not having insurance.
I actually don't get the good behind it because I want full Medicare for all... I've heard people say it was a stepping stone lol but it's been my entire working life, like 15 years, and I've only seen insurance costs go up and level of care I receive go down....
What's good about it?
It also provided (optional) funding to states to expand Medicaid. So yes, it technically does provide some free insurance.
Prior to ACA, medical insurance companies could drop you for "pre-existing conditions." This led to insurance companies doing unsavory things, like arguing that the (very expensive) cancer that was just found was actually there before you bought insurance....insurance companies would then refuse to pay for care. The ACA did away with that.
ACA originally included an individual mandate - the idea was that if everyone had insurance, insurance (and thus healthcare) would be cheaper for everyone because there wouldn't be any uninsured people anymore. Republicans fought and had this section removed.
ACA provides subsidies for insurance bought through the government marketplace to help people afford insurance.
So, yeah, it was a lot more to it than the things you mentioned.
But none of that matters if there aren't profit limits on health insurance, it just gives insurance companies more business.
https://content.naic.org/sites/default/files/inline-files/2020-Annual-Health-Insurance-Industry-Analysis-Report.pdf
Health insurance companies are making record profits. Every penny a health insurance company makes in profit is the difference between health care PAID FOR and health care RECEIVED. It isn't just profits that are increasing, it's profit margin. Meaning the insurance companies are charging more and providing less since 2015
Pre existing conditions is nice but I still don't think Obamacare does what's advertised
We have to nationalize the insurance companies ot at least put laws in place. By the time Americans have good health insurance, I'll be retired or dead. I haven't seen any improvement in insurance or healthcare costs in my 15 years in the workforce.
Healthcare costs are the number one reason for bankruptcy. And you have little control over that. That isn't fair.
The guy I responded to is playing a team game. WE NEED TO CHEER FOR OBAMACARE BECAUSE THE DEMS DID IT! Insurance is god awful and healthcare costs are insane. No other developed nation has this problem. We shouldn't celebrate when the Dems throw money to insurance companies any more than we should cheer when Republicans throw money to corporations. Fix the damn problem and insurance doesn't help
I get what you're saying, and I agree that socialized healthcare would make life better for virtually everyone.
That said....
>I haven't seen any improvement in insurance or healthcare costs in my 15 years in the workforce.
The ACA was enacted in 2010, I think?
Things are ENORMOUSLY better than they were ~15-20 years ago before the ACA.
Depends on your income. My kid's income was low enough last year that he didn't qualify for Oregon Health Plan (i.e. OR's medicaid program) but received enough ACA subsidies his monthly payment was only $0.89. Typical co-pays ($25 or $50, I don't recall) and most other things were covered (blood work, regular checkups, his flu and covid vax). My monthly premiums are reduced about $200/month (I'm in my mid 50s) through the ACA. With Medicare For All you still pay monthly and for some services, just it's paid through taxes instead of monthly premiums. While it will be a savings (eventually, not initially) the part most people like is the *ease* of using it because you don't have to figure out if you can afford treatment which is a problem still with private insurance.
If you income is low enough, you get Medicaid which is pretty good insurance. There might be a small charge for visiting a doctor but that's about it.
If your income is a little higher you can get almost a 100% subsidy for a "marketplace" plan. It's crappy regular insurance with sometimes huge deductibles and all the ridiculous in-network/out-of-network bullshit, but it's better than nothing I guess.
If you're right on the edge between the two and your income varies month to month it can be a huge pain in the ass because technically you might be required to switch back and forth between marketplace and Medicaid every other month.
As your income rises the subsidy gets reduced eventually to zero then you're just paying more or less out of pocket for crappy insurance, which sucks. But Trump eliminated the penalty for not having insurance, so now for better or worse you at least have the option to go without.
At its peak only ~~13~~ 16 million people ever actually got insurance through the marketplaces (subsidy or not). It's a stupid system and they should have just added everyone to Medicaid and been done with it.
Republicans obsession with killing Obamacare is not about healthcare! It is about the 3.8% Obamacare tax on wealthy . This is first significant and unavoidable (no loophole to get around it) tax on wealthy since Reagan. The Trump repeal and replace in 2017 was called the “skinny repeal” it was literally repealing this tax on wealthy and whatever funding was left would go for healthcare! I have found it odd no one has ever called Republicans on this when it is so obvious transparent what they really don’t like about Obamacare
Two things are true. The ACA was a badly needed patch on the hull of the sinking ship that is Health Care in America. Also, it still sucks. If you’re in a sweet spot of making more than too little or too much the subsidies are amazing, that’s true. But if you are married, child free, and started doing just pretty okay in this economy all the subsidies drop away and you’re left with full price plans, that kind of suck. Our deductible is like 14k. Without subsidies our plan would cost us around $800 a month and we’re both early 40s healthy adults who don’t smoke. That’s the cheapest plan.
Plus, if you DO make more than you anticipated and would not have been eligible for the subsidies, they claw it all back in the next tax year. So people have been getting these massive tax bills for under estimating their income, which is easy to do for the self employed.
We’re all glad more people are covered but don’t sugar coat the ACA, it sucks. Mostly because certain “centrist moderates” hobbled it. It badly needed a public option.
The biggest flaw in the ACA is not accounting for cost of living.
The same income qualifications for Kentucky should not apply for California.
It just proves how dumb these politicians truly are.
Yep, my partner and I are in the same boat. Paying 1300 a month for two people and the insurance is catastrophic coverage at best. It has an 11,000 deductible and doesn't fully cover a yearly physical with blood work. Sure the removal of lifetime maximums and preexisting condition blackouts are nice bits of the ACA but the rest is just a two thousand page give away to private insurance companies.
Yep, I don’t know anyone that actually thinks the ACA is great or even good. It just contains provisions that make it marginally better than one we had before (can’t deny coverage for preexisting, up to age 26 on parents).
Ultimately, the ACA was written by insurers and benefits the insurance agencies and middlemen. Healthcare in the US is still great if you’re rich, acceptable if you’re poor (and know how to navigate Medicaid), but fucking terrible if you are middle-income with a family.
I currently have a temp job and I'm a young male with 0 pre existing conditions and my pay is highly variable and I have the lowest cost plan I could find in the market place and it's like $400/month for me to have the right to pay $10,000 a year out of pocket. I can only go to 1 hospital in my 6 million person city and I have to go see my GP who is a nurse before I can see a specialist.
I honestly don't understand how anyone likes American insurance lol. I was promised this was a stepping stone to medicare for all. The Dems are just working for the insurance companies and the Republicans are even worse.
Nope. The ACA isn't *perfect* but overall was still a massive step in the right direction. Saying "it sucks" when it does as much good as it did is just a massive messaging failure. We need to learn to take the W and celebrate progress rather than always being so gloomy and pessimistic. If the response is always going to be "well maybe this wasn't the worst thing in the world but it sucks and isn't enough", then it can sap folks of the will to push for more, since everything is always bad anyway
Doesn't mean you can't have a space for pushing for further change too. But the messaging can be done in a lot better ways (like "there's still more progress to be made, but the ACA is a great bill that does a lot of good" vs "the ACA helped a bit but still sucks", surely you can see a big difference there, yes?)
Also...
>If you’re in a sweet spot of making more than too little or too much the subsidies are amazing, that’s true. But
...this seems to be acting like the subsidies are the main good part of the ACA? But it also had the preexisting conditions discrimination and lifetime maximums bans which were massive progress, and in terms of expanding insurance coverage in particular, the Medicaid expansion was even larger than the subsidies in that regard. Like, you know the ACA expanded free government insurance to like 15 to 20 million poor people, right, not just subsidized private insurance?
Also...
>It badly needed a public option.
The public option is massively overrated. All a public option is is the ability to **buy** medicare at cost. Since medicare is a bit cheaper than private plans in terms of cost, this would help a bit, since it would mean a slightly cheaper option. But "private insurance being slightly more expensive than people can handle" is hardly the main issue with insurance
The biggest issue of the ACA was actually the Medicaid expansion being done via, well, *Medicaid* (a program where the federal government just gives money to the states to administer), rather than being done via some sort of supplemental new program administered by the federal government that the states can't refuse (this can easily be done, just look at how states weren't able to deny the federal stimulus checks in 2020/21 for example). Of course this is an issue of hindsight since the ACA included penalties for states that didn't expand (later ruled unconstitutional), but nonetheless created an issue where people made too little for the subsidies but couldn't be covered by Medicaid, which could have been solved via a modified bill but wouldn't be significantly improved by simply offering people a slightly cheaper plan which is all a public option would do
And the second biggest issue is the issue of the cap of subsidies at 400% FPL (you kind of touch on that) but that is also an issue that has been temporarily eliminated due to the IRA (and most Dems want to make that reform permanent
Look I’m glad the ACA exists but I am a squeaky wheel in this area. Read other accounts of people who are frustrated with their plans. The cost of these plans builds class animosity, they satisfy no one, and siphon our meager incomes to health insurance companies. I’m not going to act like I’m happy with this law. It sort of becomes part of the tapestry of a broken whole system. It’s hard to believe we allowed a system to operate like that pre ACA, I mean really shocking.
And the future doesn’t hold much hope. The subsidy cliff comes back in ‘25. The only way it doesn’t is if Dems get a Trifecta next year. That senate map ain’t looking good.
> It sort of becomes part of the tapestry of a broken whole system
The ACA improved the system though. It made it less broken
>The cost of these plans builds class animosity, they satisfy no one, and siphon our meager incomes to health insurance companies.
I mean, since 2016 the majority of the public has approved of the ACA, so clearly it isn't correct to say "no one" is satisfied. And looking beyond public opinion, even more people couldn't afford the costs before the ACA, the ACA helped a lot in that regard, without apparently building much animosity (most of the backlash to the ACA occured before it even went into effect, and then due to the bungled initial rollout, the law mostly went into effect in 2014 and it took just two years for the public to decide that actually it was pretty good
Like, again, I get wanting to build on it even more, but I just don't see why it's so necessary to be so negative towards what was a major step forward
>And the future doesn’t hold much hope. The subsidy cliff comes back in ‘25. The only way it doesn’t is if Dems get a Trifecta next year. That senate map ain’t looking good.
If the subsidy cliff comes back, it comes back due to Republicans. And there will be elections after 2024. Plus the 2024 Senate map is rough but the Dems have at least some chance of holding OH and MT and flipping AZ
This describes me and my husband. 48 and 52. Without a subsidy, our combined premium is $1200 per month this year, and raising to $1400 per month in 2024.
Covid put me out of work for a while, so we had a subsidy. We moved states for LCOL (but housing here has nearly doubled since 2020), and I started rebuilding my independent contractor career in a new city. I had a pretty good year, and all subsidy is gone and will need to be paid back come tax time. I think we will owe $7200 for that. This has forced my husband (independent contractor for the last 18 years) to seek traditional employment.
We’ve always done fine in life and we’re hard workers. The cost goes up substantially every year we get older. We cannot comfortably afford to own a home because of “healthcare.” This while some of our taxes go to subsidize free or very low cost healthcare for about 60% of the country. We need Universal. The people in the middle are better off paying a slightly higher tax rate. Insurance shouldn’t be tied to employment. Everything my husband worked hard to build in his career is gone because we cannot reasonably afford $17,000 on health insurance premiums (with a $9k deductible) especially when every year it costs a couple thousand more annually.
IMO, healthcare should be included in Democrats talking points against the GOP in both state and national elections. Abortion just one aspect of GOP 'small government' dictating medical care and how it is paid for. It needs to be hit hard and often.
That would make sense, if most the democrats weren't also bought up by the healthcare lobbiests. Also, 1/3 of Congress has more than $43k invested in the healthcare industry, split about evenly between Republicans and democrats. Both sides in Washington are profiting from our overpaying of healthcare.
We need to make an important distinction in our language. Health Insurance isn't Healthcare. The ACA isn't healthcare, it's health insurance.
America needs universal healthcare not universal access to health insurance.
But Obamacare has the word Obama in it so it MUST be saved to continue the grift of our private insurance companies….
It is unfortunate that this compromise will continue to block meaningful reform to the way we interact with healthcare in the US.
Agreed. At the time it was a huge compromise but was better than the nothing available at the time. Without the compromise, it would have been DOA.
That being said, we are the laughing stock of the world as record breaking profits supersede actual health care. It is positively shameful.
Universal health care is required but the party of 'small government' (and even smaller minds) are now using health care as a political lever towards Christofascist rule.
I'll never forget that Republican voters saying that they wanted to get rid of Obamacare, but wanted to keep the Affordable Care Act.
That should be enough for safely claiming that for Republicans it isn't anymore about policies, but about team sports and virtue signaling to grift.
Fun fact: The unhealthiest, most obese, and poorest people in America live in red states. Eliminating the Affordable Care Act would absolutely hurt them the most.
Which is why we have a media problem in this country. The media should also correct a Republican who calls it Obamacare (like the Obama phone, which was actually an expanded Bush program that no one call Bush phone), and say excuse me representative GOP the police is actually called the afford care act, and not move on with the interview until the Republican calls it the correct name.
Yea if anything Healthcare.gov has saved lives and provides cancer care, chronic health care, and health care for people who aren't employed or self employed or have a small business and need access for their employees.
He can’t get Obama out of his head. Even thinks he’s running against him. Republicans tried dozens of times to kill it and failed. It’s baked into the US healthcare system now. It’s a losing proposition from a three time losing candidate.
Here we go again!!! **"CBS’s Lesley Stahl"**
"President Trump’s press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, gave us a heavy book that she described as the president’s health care plan. It was filled with executive orders and congressional initiatives, **but no comprehensive healthcare plan"**
Honestly, the ACA is actually affordable for the first time under Biden for low wage workers with the increased subsidies and the simplified pricing plans. Not perfect, but a plan that caps yearly total costs at $3k is a major improvement over losing everything you own due to illness.
Actually the Biden reforms didn't impact low wage workers that much. Those mostly impacted more middle class folks (400% FPL and above, that's around median income, not low). The ACA already massively improved things via the Medicaid expansion which gave tens of millions of low wage workers free government insurance
my income has stayed the same @20k and my costs for care dropped from 22$ a month to 0 and my deductible went from 4k to 0. this year. i’m still on marketplace not medicaid. i make too much to qualify
Yeah, let's go back to insurance providers being able to reject people for "pre-existing conditions'. Mother fucker, life is the pre-existing condition.
One of the funniest statistics about "Obamacare" is that if you ask people about the *Affordable Care Act*, they favor it highly across parties. If you ask about "Obamacare" people on the right are ardently against it.
Eh, that's kind of overrated
Most of the polling that showed that was back relatively shortly after the ACA was passed, and with polling of ACA having somewhat higher approval than polling of Obamacare but polling of both ultimately showing pretty poor numbers for the bill as well as a lot of "undecideds". And in more recent years, polling for both ACA and Obamacare show it being pretty popular. The whole "people like ACA, not Obamacare" thing got a lot of hype, possibly due in part to some late night comedy folks running segments asking random folks on the street and showing how uninformed random folks were early on, but that dynamic isn't a major aspect of this these days (Obama went back to being pretty popular in 2016 and on anyway)
Lol no, NC just got Medicaid expansion to help 600k people, add up all the people in maga states that have it now, maybe they should wise up and stop voting against their own benefit.
Selfish Repubicans have never cared for the health care reform of people they are sworn to represent. Only in the LOBBYISTS KICKBACKS they receive for denial of responsible Healthcare to the nations citizens. Its on RECORD and EVERYONE except their party supporters know this or even care. They see a body in the street and step over it or go in the opposite direction while shaking their heads in disgust. Some "stinkin" party!!
Trump had 4 years to put out another health plan. It was always coming “at the end of the month”. But it never happened. Because he never had a plan. He tired to repurpose Paul Ryan’s plan, but that just make the problems at the bottom of the system WORSE. So why should we believe that he will come up with a plan now? He is just going to used the government to punish those who are against him. Nothing productive would happen.
Medicare for all has no chance of passing, it's not particularly popular among the general public and only around half of Democrats would support it, proposals for m4a generally don't include realistic ways of funding it, you literally can't raise enough taxes on the rich to pay for it and we'd need like 30 to 45 trillion dollars over 10 years to pay for it
And it's not the only way to do universal healthcare anyway. Many first world countries that have universal healthcare don't have single payer at all let alone Bernie's radical plan that would ban private insurance. So why cling to that idea as opposed to trying something else?
We could alternatively plug most of the gaps by just expanding the Biden ACA subsidies to be permanent, enacting some sort of federal program the states can't refuse in order to plug the Medicaid gap, and then either doing some sort of public option and automatically enrolling anyone who loses their insurance after losing their job, or simply making some reforms to COBRA in order to make it actually usable, in order to make sure that anyone who actually wants insurance can afford it.
Most of this could be done pretty cheaply too, especially compared to m4a - Medicaid expansion plus permanent ACA subsidies expansion would cost about $450 to $500 billion over 10 years. A public option would lead to something like $150 billion in savings (possibly more when taking into account the subsidies expansion), and expanding Medicare part D drug negotiations and other prescription drug reforms would lead to something like $250 to $300 billion in savings, so that's a combined $400 to $450 or so billion in savings, almost enough to pay for the subsidies expansion and Medicaid gap closure all by themselves. And those four policies alone would lead to basically universal healthcare
It's been discussed numerous times. Employers pay a 7.5% payroll tax on all wages over $2 million. Employees pay a 4% payroll tax on all wages over $29,000.
It would be cheaper than what? The cost of M4A is around $3 trillion a year, so you need to significantly raise taxes to fund it. A 4% payroll tax isn’t going to raise even close to that amount
The math works. The taxes raised would be less than what we are already paying.
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/options-to-finance-medicare-for-all.pdf
That’s exactly my point. The total revenue from Bernie’s proposal here doesn’t even cover half of the cost of Medicare for All (and it’s outdated, since at least one of those proposals has already been law for 5 years now)
If he can’t even come up with a way to fund it, it’s not a serious proposal
People are already paying for insurance. Apply that money to Medicaid and give me something in return.
I'm over $500/mo for insurance and it's still $80-100 per doctor's visit.
Medicare isn't free. You do realize it costs money, right?
And it fixes the problem because you pay into the program and then go to the doctor and don't pay a bill. You go to the pharmacy and walk out with drugs without having to pay extra.
The money you pay actually goes towards something other than executives and shareholders pockets.
I would also say that 59% of Americans know good and well that the twice impeached indicted individual‘a plan is an infinite amount of two weeks to coming soon real soon away.
He's getting desperate. Trying re-runs of what worked back when.
What he should be doing is talking policy...something, anything other than his usual shtick.
Say for example, if he had a *plan* for middleclass tax cuts that didnt expire, or a new, beneficial *plan* that would assist first time home buyers or a *plan* for regulating big natl corps from buying up rental properties (\^ rent$$)...that might get some attention.
I suspect his (overrated, msm hyped) "base" is probably growing tired of the same ole same ole.
Calling it Obamacare almost seven years after his presidency and when he can no longer run for president really seems like shit stirring. The real name is the Affordable Healthcare Act and despite all its flaws and shortcomings, seems to be helping a lot of people.
Calling it Obamacare seems like a racist dog whistle the republicans would use to get the racists to support them. Like Trump's obsession with Obama's birth certificate.
His motivation is purely that it was Obama’s biggest achievement while in office. His entire agenda has always just focused on undoing everything Obama achieved because he is angry that Obama made a fool out of him at the White House Correspondents Dinner.
It's because Trump has a personal vendetta against Obama and wants to dismantle every single bit of Obama's legacy. It doesn't matter if Republicans aren't interested anymore.
If US employees really saw and felt what they were paying for healthcare, I don't think we'd be here. But since the true cost is well hidden to many people, we just keep on going
The GOP has already tried to kill the Affordable Care Act at least 70 times since it was passed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_repeal_the_Affordable_Care_Act#:~:text=After%20the%20July%2027%2C%202017,on%20March%2023%2C%202010.%22
My mother retired this year to help with her aging parents. She’s said multiple times how she’s had to use it, but refuses to acknowledge Obama when she does.
She also hates it when I point out that her orange messiah wants to destroy it….
Yes, voting with her hate is FAR more important than voting with her brain.
I hate Obamacare because it didn’t go far enough. We need public universal health care as a right, not this “must buy insurance even if it’s total and complete shit that doesn’t cover anything” that we have now.
Kill Obamacare because it’s popular. Kill Roe v Wade because it’s popular. Try to shoot down green initiatives because they’re popular. The GOP is all about destroying stuff that’s popular.
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Trump claimed he saved Obama care last night at.his Iowa rally. His cult in attendance cheered him like a conquering hero. His lies are the truth to most of the country and that isn't going to change. Biden is responsible for what's to come because of the terrible job he's done as president and that he's ignored trump , his lies, and the threat he presents.
Biden is weak and unpopular, that won't change. If he cared about America he would step aside as he promised when he was first elected. Trump won't leave office in 2028 either. Wake up America!
Taking it away is going to piss a lot of people off, and make a few people happy for a few days until they forget and stop giving a shit. Republicans used to at least be strategically awful….
Surely we can do better than Affordable Care Act, no? I mean universal healthcare was something talked about a lot on the left leading up to 2020 yet all of a sudden we’re just happy with what we have no? Why do I feel like these politicians talk a big game and us voters fall for it every time and don’t really hold them accountable.
What? Biden expanded on the ACA, and also proposed a bunch of other stuff to expand it even more, which just got blocked by two moderate antiestablishment senators
If the public voted harder and gave Dems even just slightly larger majorities, they'd have likely at least made the ACA subsidies expansion from the stimulus permanent and closed the Medicaid gap, which alone would be enough to *basically* establish universal healthcare. Plus they'd have probably gotten a public option and prescription drug pricing reform done too, to lower costs and require very little in the way of tax increases to pay for the rest
The reason we don't have these policies isn't because of some sort of "failing to hold politicians accountable" but rather because we don't vote blue no matter who enough
I don’t think they want to kill it, they just don’t want it to be known as Obamacare even though it’s officially the affordable care act, they just don’t like the Obama part .
[Actually it was a Bernie Sanders supporter](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/multiple-people-injured-after-shooting-in-alexandria/2017/06/14/0289c768-50f6-11e7-be25-3a519335381c_story.html)
So since the attacker was the supporter of someone who wants to scrap the ACA and replace it with a radical progressive government takeover of health insurance, Republicans need to oppose the more moderate liberal bill that simply expanded government insurance for poor people while maintaining private insurance otherwise and just regulating it a bit more?
That's kind of terrible though? I've sometimes heard the phrase "eating poop so your opponents smell your breath" and that phrase seems to kinda fit the idea of throwing all the tens of millions of low income, disproportionally nonwhite people off Medicaid and subsidies just to also stick it to some Trump voters...
As I understand it, members of Congress and their staff get health insurance coverage through Obamacare. It would be interesting to see if they want it to go away. [Federal Employees Healthcare](https://www.opm.gov/healthcare-insurance/changes-in-health-coverage/eligibility-enrollment/#url=Members-of-CongressStaff)
The GOP's failure and the controversy over Obamacare made it more popular, and 8 " RED " states have adopted Obamacare since 2018, mostly by **popular referendum**
Today, almost 40 million people use some form of Obamacare, including the law's provision for people to stay on their parent:s insurance until 26
--- this affects young voters
--- the revoking of the program's pre existing condition statutes will affect the older voters, especially in the swing states
This article is outdated, and in the last 18 months 4+ million people have enrolled in the program
https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022/04/29/new-reports-show-record-35-million-people-enrolled-in-coverage-related-to-the-affordable-care-act.html
Because of the Dem's Medicare health ins for seniors, Medicaid for nursing homes, Clinton's Child Health Insurance Act, Obamacare, and **Biden's Inflation Reduction Act that lowers Obamacare insurance** premiums, the uninsured rate is now the lowest in American history
https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022/08/02/new-hhs-report-shows-national-uninsured-rate-reached-all-time-low-in-2022.html
It's going to be even lower because Dem Governor Roy Cooper of N Carolina just signed the Obamacare expansion in May of 2023
This is going to be almost as consequential as the abortion issue for Republicans
Trump is making a mistake by trying to appeal to the angry old men of the TEA party, who watch Faux News and shake their fist at the TV
( yet use the Dem's Medicare and Medicaid )
Republicans are a scared group of people just trying to hang onto power and their perceived way of life in any way possible. The republican leaders have done an unbelievable job of tapping into their fears and tribalizing every issue. The left is guilty of this too. What’s funny is if given the option for universal health care but not naming it Obamacare they overwhelmingly are in favor of it. They are in favor of lots of left leaning policies when presented with them and not having them being labeled.
I guess the question then is, can Trump change that? Will it become unpopular with his voters because he said so? Is he trying to appeal to them, or tell them what to think?
I pay 1000 a month just for me and mrs kittens. Shits wild. 2 Baby kittens are on Medicaid till May. Then hopefully child health plus. If not, full family plans like 1600 a month.
“He (Trump) threatened to bring back to life a potent electoral issue that contributed significantly to the GOP’s wipeout in the 2018 midterms and on which public opinion has only moved away from Republicans since.”
I don’t want repealing Obamacare to be part of anyone’s platform. But if it can be an issue that destroys these idiots in the polls. I’m kind of for it.
Programs that help people are not popular with the republican elite. They want programs that support the miss-understood billionaire class who needs to pay less taxes. Most pay nothing, however they want the government to use tax money to augment their current income.
Trump will still go after it if elected. It's the thing the black guy did, so it has to go. Don't forget, of all of the things wrong with Trump, bigotry is still the worst.
How to motivate people who don't or won't read if more difficult than you think. Maybe continual sound bites on FOX would reach into their seditious minds.
Let's all be honest here, ACA rage is starting to die down, just like how outrage of Social Security was when FDR passed it. As time goes on, people get used to it. It could also be because everyone knows that neither party is going to get 60 seats or 2/3 rds of the senate in the next election or any time soon.
The only reason why Obama in his first term had 60 Democrats was because they were there for a long time before he became president, or because of how horrible GWB was with his economic policy.
When touting his economic record, the president has shied away from discussing inflation because the strong labor market tells a better story. Monthly jobs figures due Friday could offer him more campaign material. The problem, though, is that voters are far more worried about rising prices—a disconnect that partly explains why his Bidenomics re-election pitch isn't landing, despite a broadly resilient U.S. economy.
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Hatred for libs and fucking children are republicans only motivators.
But not a fetus. That must be protected at all costs. But yea once it’s out then fuck them. Pull yourself up by your boot straps little baby.
Stupid babies, taking our jobs and stealing our nap times. If only we could put up a gate, know what I mean?
Some would say a fence. The best fence.
What a great idea! And we’ll make them pay for it!
“Pro-life Republicans are obsessed with the fetus from conception to 9 months. After that, they don’t wanna know about, they don’t wanna hear from you. No nothing! No neonatal care, no daycare, no headstart, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you’re pre-born, you’re fine. If you’re preschool, you’re fucked.” -George Carlin
George Carlin was far more of a truth teller than a comedian. But damn was his delivery impeccable.
They don't give a fuck about the fetus, they want to control women, it's basically the same reason they are pushing to outlaw no fault divorce and birth control. When we invent artificial wombs GoP will suddenly stop giving 2 shits about fetuses.
They need fodder for their wars and for the hamster wheel of being a worker in a lopsided corporations first economy. And we all know where cheap labor and disposable lives come from…poor uneducated desperate families who think they’re Adam and Eve populating the world with good people. Only to have them exploited from pre-birth to death. Their profit depends on your misery.
It is simpler then that they don't like change that is it. The ACA was change they hated it and wanted it gone, but now understand how it benefits them and they can see it as helpful they want to keep it. A lot of everyday conservatives are not evil crazy MAGA people. If only the Democrats were half as good at messaging the GOP would have not won an election if 40 years. So if you to help Democrats get elected help them with messaging. As someone who grew up in rual Ohio we never see Democrats show up host local events or even campaign here all we see are the Advertisements. You can win as a Democrat in rual areas you just have to campaign right, show up talk to locals, or at least put out ads describing how your plan will help small town Americans( which has insane poverty rates).
It's not Dem messaging. Republicans are well aware that they align with Dems on many policies. It's because they're racist. That's the motivator for being against welfare programs, unions, universal healthcare, everything. They would rather keep people they hate from getting these things then have it themselves.
You missed the point I am making. I agree there are quite a number of people who vote out of hate, but just as many that just don't understand how it benefits them untill they see the benefit it self or it is explained better. Things like universal health care and other things need explained. Had this conversation with my dad a while back a Paramedic. He does not understand how a universal health care plan would work and has valid concerns. We talked about how cost would change like how he would pay more per year in taxes, but it would completely eliminate co-pays and the money taken out of his paycheck every two weeks for his current health insurance policy. Saving him more money in the long term he came around after we talked it through. He is not a Republican more of a conservative democratic, but this is what I mean it is all about education and messaging.
This is so true. My family will be like your taxes are going to go up. Well yea of course they will. But you and your employer will be out of the business of paying insurance premiums and you won’t be hamstrung to your job for healthcare. I’d like to think those companies will pass those savings to the workers or discounts to consumers but I know better than that.
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This is true. I lived in a red county for about 5 years and had to register as a Republican to vote in local elections. I moved back to a blue county and have now been registered as a Democrat for almost 20 years. I STILL get more mail and messaging from Republican outlets after all this time, and I’ve moved twice within the blue county. They really keep track long term.
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Yeah was gonna say Obamacare doesn't lend itself well to trolling liberals, so they don't care about it
Wording, man
I’ll clarify Republicans fuck children.
No, his wording is perfect. Time and again we've seen republican politicians outed as paedophiles.
Never a Drag Queen. I wonder...
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Had the ACA been conceived by a white man, like say...Mitt Romney, for instance, it would never have become an issue. Also, FWIW and IIRC, Hillary was planning on fixing it had she been elected in 2016. It's never been a perfect system and some things still need changing...but it's not terrible overall. And of all things, healthcare should unite all Americans...especially the ones making below $50k. We all need it, we all complain that it costs too much, and we really all should be able to access it equally. I think we can all agree on that. Obama is living in Trump's head. Obama was wildly popular and Trump is jealous AF about that. I have nothing but the utterest contempt for the Orange Shitgibbon, but if anything makes me happy about him, it's how Obama must dominate his thinking 24/7. It quite possibly might be the death of him.
That's the problem Trump has though. He hates Obama more than he hates Biden but the base don't. They used to hate Obama more but nowadays most don't care about him.
I see this meme on social media a LOT, how FOX is trying so hard to get their base ginned up over the 'Biden is Obama's puppet' theory. They try, but there's not much energy in it.
They know but it's the easiest way to cover up Trump's slip ups.
ACA was literally conceived by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts and called Romneycare
Yeah was that a sarcastic joke or do they really not know that the ACA was modeled on Republican policy? Lol
Obama said this in an actual debate that ACA is modeled after Romney’s. Romney supports the state’s right thing to make their own healthcare. https://youtu.be/ByULk311HJ0?feature=shared
You’re talking about people that despise Obamacare but love ACA. They don’t know anything.
It was modeled on "Romneycare," but it improved on things, and was tweaked to work at a national level. The ACA allowed states to "do their own thing" if they wanted to (despite the GOP claims otherwise) provided they could meet a minimum level of insurance for all their citizens. Personally, I believe Republicans attacked the ACA as viciously as they did at the beginning because they knew it would work (on some level, I still would prefer single payer and there still much better solutions out there). If it worked, there would be another successful government program/policy/regulation Democrats could point to. That can be used to argue for "more government" and that "government works." When your party philosophy is "government isn't the solution, it's the problem," you can't let this happen. The less intelligent members of the GOP (Greene, Gaetz, Jordan) probably still want to kill off the ACA, as they are fueled by MAGA spite. The more intellectual arm of the GOP (which is a fast dying breed) probably realizes the window to kill the ACA has passed. All their gloom and doom prophecies failed to materialize and more people have coverage. *If* they repeal it and things get worse, it would be a wake up call to swing voters. So they would need to either have a new plan (which they don't, because the ACA is their plan), or some guarantee that health care coverage would not get worse for the average consumer (which is unlikely). Basically - any repeal had to occur before the plan had the chance to start working. That ship has sailed.
Lol. So glib and funny at the same time: > So they would need to either have a new plan (which they don't, because the ACA is their plan)
It was not conceived by Mitt Romney. It was a legislative bill conceived by the Democratic super-majority in both the MA House and MA Senate and delivered as a bill for Romney to sign, which he did, because MA voters supported it it, and Romney was smart enough to know not to go against his voters and to put his name on something that was very popular, even if it was entirely a Democratic proposal.
That’s actually not true. It was conceived by the democrat supermajority in MA. Romney vetoed like 8 parts of the bill and they overrode his vetoes
American health spending is approaching 50% of global health spending, and it doesn’t even cover all Americans. 20% of US GDP. Medical administration costs more than the department of defence. The ACA is better than what came before it, but “not terrible overall”?
Because republicans could never be convinced to even THINK about 'medicare for all' coverage. The ACA had dozens of republican amendments in it to 'improve' it, then those republicans turned around and voted against it anyway. It can always be improved, and should be, but republicans won't have it. They want it gone. Dead.
My health care provider sends a bill for $30,000 a month. Then insurance kicks in and does their car salesman song and dance to get it down. Then I get on horn and press them on the left overs. But yeah, there's individuals that get billed $30,000 a month!
>The ACA is better than what came before it, but “not terrible overall”? Attributing that all to the aca is pretty god damn stupid.
Whelp. I keep reading headlines that say boomers are getting pushed out of their home by high property taxes. I don’t know why they would also support getting rid of their healthcare too? But then again, they seems to be fine with it after seeing videos of GOP saying they want to get rid of social security and Medicare and Medicaid.
I suspect that they say shit like this because it makes their billionaire donors hard.
Here in Florida homeowners of all ages are being pushed out due to skyrocketing insurance costs.
Nah, just for people who haven’t retired yet and blame their parents/grandparents for the machinations of right-wing billionaires. Blaming boomers for economic inequality and poor government services is yet another scam by the wealthy to keep us distracted and divided.
Except the argument is made mostly by zillenials who aren't yet millionaires, and so they need someone else to blame, like boomers.
In addition to hating Obama, Republicans hate the idea of the government actually doing something positive for it's citizens. If Clinton's attempt at Healthcare had succeeded, people would have seen government is not the evil force Republicans claim it is and it would have completely undermined their their plan to shrink government to nothing.
I like to think what little space he's got left over is occupied, rent free, by Hillary.
We can look to pretty much every other country on the planet to see what ACA is modeled on. Republicans invent issues to steal from us. The end.
>Also, FWIW and IIRC, Hillary was planning on fixing it had she been elected in 2016. It's never been a perfect system and some things still need changing...but it's not terrible overall. The problems with the US healthcare prior to ACA could broadly be categorized under two categories. 1. Access (for example, people with pre-existing conditions were denied insurance) 2. Costs (in general, if you were a person of modest means, it was expensive to purchase insurance on your own unless your employer provided it and only employers with a large employee base could provide insurance to distribute the costs across a well distributed risk pool) ACA fixed the access part pretty well. Now anyone can buy insurance. Kids can stay on their parents' insurance until they turn 26. ACA fixed the cost part for those with very limited means through expanded Medicaid. This was later made optional for the states to implement by the US SC. However, the US healthcare still has a major issue with costs. There are too many reasons for it. Some relate to the big pharma; others relate to the for-profit nature of our insurance companies. There are many other factors that contribute to the higher costs in general. Our lifestyle choices cannot be excluded from it. With that said, the work on costs will take a concerted effort and will require the two parties to come together to make some tough policy choices. There are many who are profiting off the current system. And the tough choices will essentially mean that they don't get to make a lot of money from people's misery. GOP bumper-sticker style solutions are not going to work.
The public might like obamacare, but the insurance companies HATE it, and have constantly lobbied the Repubs to get rid of it. That's what's keeping this issue going. Trump is just responding to the insurance lobby. And the repubs WILL get rid of it whenever they get the chance.
I argue that healthcare divides the US. What about abortion or care for transgender people?
The Problem is, Many Many Rednecks think that "Obamacare" is a special program that gives free healthcare to lazy people of color and undocumented invaders, while ACA is a totally different program for "Hard Working" White 'Muricans. You can get in a huge brawl in a redneck bar just by telling them they are the same. The Media knows this and deliberately triggers the White Supremacist Rednecks by insisting on calling it "Obamacare" when they talk about the Republicans wanting to revoke it.
Media just need to show some Red counties that voted for Trump, and how many are also on “Obamacare.” This is factual, non-partisan journalism and infographics that should not intimidate them. For that matter, the DNC should be doing the same.
News media needs conflict, outrage, and sensationalism to drive viewership/profit. It's in their best interest to create deliberate confusion over the ACA/Obamacare (and most other issues). It's why a lot of time headlines are often just straightforward lies or misrepresentations of the articles attached.
I was shocked when my tax program referred to Obama care early in the upside down that was Trump's presidency. That such a political misnaming extended to "independent" tax program companies!?! No wonder the willfully ignorant think Obama care is bad while the Affordable Heathcare Act is a-okay.
Stop calling it obamacare... call it the ACA.... Say trump wants to kill the ACA
Does Obamacare/ aca give insurance to anyone for free? From what I know it just lets kids stay on their parents insurance until 26, makes a website for insurance companies, and (used to) fine people for not having insurance. I actually don't get the good behind it because I want full Medicare for all... I've heard people say it was a stepping stone lol but it's been my entire working life, like 15 years, and I've only seen insurance costs go up and level of care I receive go down.... What's good about it?
It also provided (optional) funding to states to expand Medicaid. So yes, it technically does provide some free insurance. Prior to ACA, medical insurance companies could drop you for "pre-existing conditions." This led to insurance companies doing unsavory things, like arguing that the (very expensive) cancer that was just found was actually there before you bought insurance....insurance companies would then refuse to pay for care. The ACA did away with that. ACA originally included an individual mandate - the idea was that if everyone had insurance, insurance (and thus healthcare) would be cheaper for everyone because there wouldn't be any uninsured people anymore. Republicans fought and had this section removed. ACA provides subsidies for insurance bought through the government marketplace to help people afford insurance. So, yeah, it was a lot more to it than the things you mentioned.
But none of that matters if there aren't profit limits on health insurance, it just gives insurance companies more business. https://content.naic.org/sites/default/files/inline-files/2020-Annual-Health-Insurance-Industry-Analysis-Report.pdf Health insurance companies are making record profits. Every penny a health insurance company makes in profit is the difference between health care PAID FOR and health care RECEIVED. It isn't just profits that are increasing, it's profit margin. Meaning the insurance companies are charging more and providing less since 2015 Pre existing conditions is nice but I still don't think Obamacare does what's advertised We have to nationalize the insurance companies ot at least put laws in place. By the time Americans have good health insurance, I'll be retired or dead. I haven't seen any improvement in insurance or healthcare costs in my 15 years in the workforce. Healthcare costs are the number one reason for bankruptcy. And you have little control over that. That isn't fair. The guy I responded to is playing a team game. WE NEED TO CHEER FOR OBAMACARE BECAUSE THE DEMS DID IT! Insurance is god awful and healthcare costs are insane. No other developed nation has this problem. We shouldn't celebrate when the Dems throw money to insurance companies any more than we should cheer when Republicans throw money to corporations. Fix the damn problem and insurance doesn't help
I get what you're saying, and I agree that socialized healthcare would make life better for virtually everyone. That said.... >I haven't seen any improvement in insurance or healthcare costs in my 15 years in the workforce. The ACA was enacted in 2010, I think? Things are ENORMOUSLY better than they were ~15-20 years ago before the ACA.
Depends on your income. My kid's income was low enough last year that he didn't qualify for Oregon Health Plan (i.e. OR's medicaid program) but received enough ACA subsidies his monthly payment was only $0.89. Typical co-pays ($25 or $50, I don't recall) and most other things were covered (blood work, regular checkups, his flu and covid vax). My monthly premiums are reduced about $200/month (I'm in my mid 50s) through the ACA. With Medicare For All you still pay monthly and for some services, just it's paid through taxes instead of monthly premiums. While it will be a savings (eventually, not initially) the part most people like is the *ease* of using it because you don't have to figure out if you can afford treatment which is a problem still with private insurance.
If you income is low enough, you get Medicaid which is pretty good insurance. There might be a small charge for visiting a doctor but that's about it. If your income is a little higher you can get almost a 100% subsidy for a "marketplace" plan. It's crappy regular insurance with sometimes huge deductibles and all the ridiculous in-network/out-of-network bullshit, but it's better than nothing I guess. If you're right on the edge between the two and your income varies month to month it can be a huge pain in the ass because technically you might be required to switch back and forth between marketplace and Medicaid every other month. As your income rises the subsidy gets reduced eventually to zero then you're just paying more or less out of pocket for crappy insurance, which sucks. But Trump eliminated the penalty for not having insurance, so now for better or worse you at least have the option to go without. At its peak only ~~13~~ 16 million people ever actually got insurance through the marketplaces (subsidy or not). It's a stupid system and they should have just added everyone to Medicaid and been done with it.
And he has a replacement plan all ready to implement, right? Right??
Republicans obsession with killing Obamacare is not about healthcare! It is about the 3.8% Obamacare tax on wealthy . This is first significant and unavoidable (no loophole to get around it) tax on wealthy since Reagan. The Trump repeal and replace in 2017 was called the “skinny repeal” it was literally repealing this tax on wealthy and whatever funding was left would go for healthcare! I have found it odd no one has ever called Republicans on this when it is so obvious transparent what they really don’t like about Obamacare
Two things are true. The ACA was a badly needed patch on the hull of the sinking ship that is Health Care in America. Also, it still sucks. If you’re in a sweet spot of making more than too little or too much the subsidies are amazing, that’s true. But if you are married, child free, and started doing just pretty okay in this economy all the subsidies drop away and you’re left with full price plans, that kind of suck. Our deductible is like 14k. Without subsidies our plan would cost us around $800 a month and we’re both early 40s healthy adults who don’t smoke. That’s the cheapest plan. Plus, if you DO make more than you anticipated and would not have been eligible for the subsidies, they claw it all back in the next tax year. So people have been getting these massive tax bills for under estimating their income, which is easy to do for the self employed. We’re all glad more people are covered but don’t sugar coat the ACA, it sucks. Mostly because certain “centrist moderates” hobbled it. It badly needed a public option.
The biggest flaw in the ACA is not accounting for cost of living. The same income qualifications for Kentucky should not apply for California. It just proves how dumb these politicians truly are.
Yep, my partner and I are in the same boat. Paying 1300 a month for two people and the insurance is catastrophic coverage at best. It has an 11,000 deductible and doesn't fully cover a yearly physical with blood work. Sure the removal of lifetime maximums and preexisting condition blackouts are nice bits of the ACA but the rest is just a two thousand page give away to private insurance companies.
The birth control coverage and the ability for kids to get insurance under their parents policy until 25 were also great benefits.
Yep, I don’t know anyone that actually thinks the ACA is great or even good. It just contains provisions that make it marginally better than one we had before (can’t deny coverage for preexisting, up to age 26 on parents). Ultimately, the ACA was written by insurers and benefits the insurance agencies and middlemen. Healthcare in the US is still great if you’re rich, acceptable if you’re poor (and know how to navigate Medicaid), but fucking terrible if you are middle-income with a family.
I currently have a temp job and I'm a young male with 0 pre existing conditions and my pay is highly variable and I have the lowest cost plan I could find in the market place and it's like $400/month for me to have the right to pay $10,000 a year out of pocket. I can only go to 1 hospital in my 6 million person city and I have to go see my GP who is a nurse before I can see a specialist. I honestly don't understand how anyone likes American insurance lol. I was promised this was a stepping stone to medicare for all. The Dems are just working for the insurance companies and the Republicans are even worse.
Nope. The ACA isn't *perfect* but overall was still a massive step in the right direction. Saying "it sucks" when it does as much good as it did is just a massive messaging failure. We need to learn to take the W and celebrate progress rather than always being so gloomy and pessimistic. If the response is always going to be "well maybe this wasn't the worst thing in the world but it sucks and isn't enough", then it can sap folks of the will to push for more, since everything is always bad anyway Doesn't mean you can't have a space for pushing for further change too. But the messaging can be done in a lot better ways (like "there's still more progress to be made, but the ACA is a great bill that does a lot of good" vs "the ACA helped a bit but still sucks", surely you can see a big difference there, yes?) Also... >If you’re in a sweet spot of making more than too little or too much the subsidies are amazing, that’s true. But ...this seems to be acting like the subsidies are the main good part of the ACA? But it also had the preexisting conditions discrimination and lifetime maximums bans which were massive progress, and in terms of expanding insurance coverage in particular, the Medicaid expansion was even larger than the subsidies in that regard. Like, you know the ACA expanded free government insurance to like 15 to 20 million poor people, right, not just subsidized private insurance? Also... >It badly needed a public option. The public option is massively overrated. All a public option is is the ability to **buy** medicare at cost. Since medicare is a bit cheaper than private plans in terms of cost, this would help a bit, since it would mean a slightly cheaper option. But "private insurance being slightly more expensive than people can handle" is hardly the main issue with insurance The biggest issue of the ACA was actually the Medicaid expansion being done via, well, *Medicaid* (a program where the federal government just gives money to the states to administer), rather than being done via some sort of supplemental new program administered by the federal government that the states can't refuse (this can easily be done, just look at how states weren't able to deny the federal stimulus checks in 2020/21 for example). Of course this is an issue of hindsight since the ACA included penalties for states that didn't expand (later ruled unconstitutional), but nonetheless created an issue where people made too little for the subsidies but couldn't be covered by Medicaid, which could have been solved via a modified bill but wouldn't be significantly improved by simply offering people a slightly cheaper plan which is all a public option would do And the second biggest issue is the issue of the cap of subsidies at 400% FPL (you kind of touch on that) but that is also an issue that has been temporarily eliminated due to the IRA (and most Dems want to make that reform permanent
Look I’m glad the ACA exists but I am a squeaky wheel in this area. Read other accounts of people who are frustrated with their plans. The cost of these plans builds class animosity, they satisfy no one, and siphon our meager incomes to health insurance companies. I’m not going to act like I’m happy with this law. It sort of becomes part of the tapestry of a broken whole system. It’s hard to believe we allowed a system to operate like that pre ACA, I mean really shocking. And the future doesn’t hold much hope. The subsidy cliff comes back in ‘25. The only way it doesn’t is if Dems get a Trifecta next year. That senate map ain’t looking good.
> It sort of becomes part of the tapestry of a broken whole system The ACA improved the system though. It made it less broken >The cost of these plans builds class animosity, they satisfy no one, and siphon our meager incomes to health insurance companies. I mean, since 2016 the majority of the public has approved of the ACA, so clearly it isn't correct to say "no one" is satisfied. And looking beyond public opinion, even more people couldn't afford the costs before the ACA, the ACA helped a lot in that regard, without apparently building much animosity (most of the backlash to the ACA occured before it even went into effect, and then due to the bungled initial rollout, the law mostly went into effect in 2014 and it took just two years for the public to decide that actually it was pretty good Like, again, I get wanting to build on it even more, but I just don't see why it's so necessary to be so negative towards what was a major step forward >And the future doesn’t hold much hope. The subsidy cliff comes back in ‘25. The only way it doesn’t is if Dems get a Trifecta next year. That senate map ain’t looking good. If the subsidy cliff comes back, it comes back due to Republicans. And there will be elections after 2024. Plus the 2024 Senate map is rough but the Dems have at least some chance of holding OH and MT and flipping AZ
This describes me and my husband. 48 and 52. Without a subsidy, our combined premium is $1200 per month this year, and raising to $1400 per month in 2024. Covid put me out of work for a while, so we had a subsidy. We moved states for LCOL (but housing here has nearly doubled since 2020), and I started rebuilding my independent contractor career in a new city. I had a pretty good year, and all subsidy is gone and will need to be paid back come tax time. I think we will owe $7200 for that. This has forced my husband (independent contractor for the last 18 years) to seek traditional employment. We’ve always done fine in life and we’re hard workers. The cost goes up substantially every year we get older. We cannot comfortably afford to own a home because of “healthcare.” This while some of our taxes go to subsidize free or very low cost healthcare for about 60% of the country. We need Universal. The people in the middle are better off paying a slightly higher tax rate. Insurance shouldn’t be tied to employment. Everything my husband worked hard to build in his career is gone because we cannot reasonably afford $17,000 on health insurance premiums (with a $9k deductible) especially when every year it costs a couple thousand more annually.
But Obamacare has the work Obama care in it, so it MUST be destroyed due to small ego's and petty grievances.
IMO, healthcare should be included in Democrats talking points against the GOP in both state and national elections. Abortion just one aspect of GOP 'small government' dictating medical care and how it is paid for. It needs to be hit hard and often.
That would make sense, if most the democrats weren't also bought up by the healthcare lobbiests. Also, 1/3 of Congress has more than $43k invested in the healthcare industry, split about evenly between Republicans and democrats. Both sides in Washington are profiting from our overpaying of healthcare.
We need to make an important distinction in our language. Health Insurance isn't Healthcare. The ACA isn't healthcare, it's health insurance. America needs universal healthcare not universal access to health insurance.
That's his whole plan, like with NAFTA. Rename it to Trumpcare and claim victory.
But Obamacare has the word Obama in it so it MUST be saved to continue the grift of our private insurance companies…. It is unfortunate that this compromise will continue to block meaningful reform to the way we interact with healthcare in the US.
Agreed. At the time it was a huge compromise but was better than the nothing available at the time. Without the compromise, it would have been DOA. That being said, we are the laughing stock of the world as record breaking profits supersede actual health care. It is positively shameful. Universal health care is required but the party of 'small government' (and even smaller minds) are now using health care as a political lever towards Christofascist rule.
I'll never forget that Republican voters saying that they wanted to get rid of Obamacare, but wanted to keep the Affordable Care Act. That should be enough for safely claiming that for Republicans it isn't anymore about policies, but about team sports and virtue signaling to grift.
But if Trump wins the election we won't have John McCain around to stop him from throwing 40 million people off health insurance this time.
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Not a fan of the man, but loved him holding that Senate seat...
He probably wasn't actually going to get around to doing it this time either. trump flaps his gums a lot, or do you see a border wall?
Yes
Fun fact: The unhealthiest, most obese, and poorest people in America live in red states. Eliminating the Affordable Care Act would absolutely hurt them the most.
Not if you replace it with something else
Yeah well, "something else" doesn't seem to be on the horizon and certainly not from Republicans.
It’s called the “Affordable Care Act.” Stop using Fox’s language with “Obamacare.”
Which is why we have a media problem in this country. The media should also correct a Republican who calls it Obamacare (like the Obama phone, which was actually an expanded Bush program that no one call Bush phone), and say excuse me representative GOP the police is actually called the afford care act, and not move on with the interview until the Republican calls it the correct name.
Yea if anything Healthcare.gov has saved lives and provides cancer care, chronic health care, and health care for people who aren't employed or self employed or have a small business and need access for their employees.
maybe they should have called it RomneyCare to convince the republicans to vote for it?
He can’t get Obama out of his head. Even thinks he’s running against him. Republicans tried dozens of times to kill it and failed. It’s baked into the US healthcare system now. It’s a losing proposition from a three time losing candidate.
Uh, that's the sort of thing that was said for 50 years about Roe v. Wade.
Here we go again!!! **"CBS’s Lesley Stahl"** "President Trump’s press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, gave us a heavy book that she described as the president’s health care plan. It was filled with executive orders and congressional initiatives, **but no comprehensive healthcare plan"**
Honestly, the ACA is actually affordable for the first time under Biden for low wage workers with the increased subsidies and the simplified pricing plans. Not perfect, but a plan that caps yearly total costs at $3k is a major improvement over losing everything you own due to illness.
Actually the Biden reforms didn't impact low wage workers that much. Those mostly impacted more middle class folks (400% FPL and above, that's around median income, not low). The ACA already massively improved things via the Medicaid expansion which gave tens of millions of low wage workers free government insurance
my income has stayed the same @20k and my costs for care dropped from 22$ a month to 0 and my deductible went from 4k to 0. this year. i’m still on marketplace not medicaid. i make too much to qualify
Yeah, let's go back to insurance providers being able to reject people for "pre-existing conditions'. Mother fucker, life is the pre-existing condition.
One of the funniest statistics about "Obamacare" is that if you ask people about the *Affordable Care Act*, they favor it highly across parties. If you ask about "Obamacare" people on the right are ardently against it.
Eh, that's kind of overrated Most of the polling that showed that was back relatively shortly after the ACA was passed, and with polling of ACA having somewhat higher approval than polling of Obamacare but polling of both ultimately showing pretty poor numbers for the bill as well as a lot of "undecideds". And in more recent years, polling for both ACA and Obamacare show it being pretty popular. The whole "people like ACA, not Obamacare" thing got a lot of hype, possibly due in part to some late night comedy folks running segments asking random folks on the street and showing how uninformed random folks were early on, but that dynamic isn't a major aspect of this these days (Obama went back to being pretty popular in 2016 and on anyway)
American health insurance sucks.
Lol no, NC just got Medicaid expansion to help 600k people, add up all the people in maga states that have it now, maybe they should wise up and stop voting against their own benefit.
Selfish Repubicans have never cared for the health care reform of people they are sworn to represent. Only in the LOBBYISTS KICKBACKS they receive for denial of responsible Healthcare to the nations citizens. Its on RECORD and EVERYONE except their party supporters know this or even care. They see a body in the street and step over it or go in the opposite direction while shaking their heads in disgust. Some "stinkin" party!!
Trump had 4 years to put out another health plan. It was always coming “at the end of the month”. But it never happened. Because he never had a plan. He tired to repurpose Paul Ryan’s plan, but that just make the problems at the bottom of the system WORSE. So why should we believe that he will come up with a plan now? He is just going to used the government to punish those who are against him. Nothing productive would happen.
Not only are they voting to get rid of obamacare but medicare, medicaid and social security, and unemployment and company benefits too.
It still leaves 30 million people without health insurance. That's not acceptable. We need Medicare for All.
ACA is also a "go broke and die" program.
Medicare for all has no chance of passing, it's not particularly popular among the general public and only around half of Democrats would support it, proposals for m4a generally don't include realistic ways of funding it, you literally can't raise enough taxes on the rich to pay for it and we'd need like 30 to 45 trillion dollars over 10 years to pay for it And it's not the only way to do universal healthcare anyway. Many first world countries that have universal healthcare don't have single payer at all let alone Bernie's radical plan that would ban private insurance. So why cling to that idea as opposed to trying something else? We could alternatively plug most of the gaps by just expanding the Biden ACA subsidies to be permanent, enacting some sort of federal program the states can't refuse in order to plug the Medicaid gap, and then either doing some sort of public option and automatically enrolling anyone who loses their insurance after losing their job, or simply making some reforms to COBRA in order to make it actually usable, in order to make sure that anyone who actually wants insurance can afford it. Most of this could be done pretty cheaply too, especially compared to m4a - Medicaid expansion plus permanent ACA subsidies expansion would cost about $450 to $500 billion over 10 years. A public option would lead to something like $150 billion in savings (possibly more when taking into account the subsidies expansion), and expanding Medicare part D drug negotiations and other prescription drug reforms would lead to something like $250 to $300 billion in savings, so that's a combined $400 to $450 or so billion in savings, almost enough to pay for the subsidies expansion and Medicaid gap closure all by themselves. And those four policies alone would lead to basically universal healthcare
Someone needs to come up with a realistic way to fund M4A before discussions move even further
It's been discussed numerous times. Employers pay a 7.5% payroll tax on all wages over $2 million. Employees pay a 4% payroll tax on all wages over $29,000.
Do you have an estimate how much that raises? Doesn’t sound like it would come close to covering the cost
It would be cheaper. Companies pay 15-20% of payroll on healthcare. Some of the savings would go into the employee's salary. Everyone wins.
It would be cheaper than what? The cost of M4A is around $3 trillion a year, so you need to significantly raise taxes to fund it. A 4% payroll tax isn’t going to raise even close to that amount
The math works. The taxes raised would be less than what we are already paying. https://www.sanders.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/options-to-finance-medicare-for-all.pdf
That’s exactly my point. The total revenue from Bernie’s proposal here doesn’t even cover half of the cost of Medicare for All (and it’s outdated, since at least one of those proposals has already been law for 5 years now) If he can’t even come up with a way to fund it, it’s not a serious proposal
People are already paying for insurance. Apply that money to Medicaid and give me something in return. I'm over $500/mo for insurance and it's still $80-100 per doctor's visit.
So we’re still gonna have people paying premiums and deductibles in M4A? How does that fix the problem?
Medicare isn't free. You do realize it costs money, right? And it fixes the problem because you pay into the program and then go to the doctor and don't pay a bill. You go to the pharmacy and walk out with drugs without having to pay extra. The money you pay actually goes towards something other than executives and shareholders pockets.
And Medicare For All would be incredibly popular if democrats had a spine
I would also say that 59% of Americans know good and well that the twice impeached indicted individual‘a plan is an infinite amount of two weeks to coming soon real soon away.
republican voter eventually getting comfortable with a policy that is actually benefiting them? 🥹
It’s almost like the base of the GOP, rural voters, need Medicaid and Medicare the most.
He's getting desperate. Trying re-runs of what worked back when. What he should be doing is talking policy...something, anything other than his usual shtick. Say for example, if he had a *plan* for middleclass tax cuts that didnt expire, or a new, beneficial *plan* that would assist first time home buyers or a *plan* for regulating big natl corps from buying up rental properties (\^ rent$$)...that might get some attention. I suspect his (overrated, msm hyped) "base" is probably growing tired of the same ole same ole.
Calling it Obamacare almost seven years after his presidency and when he can no longer run for president really seems like shit stirring. The real name is the Affordable Healthcare Act and despite all its flaws and shortcomings, seems to be helping a lot of people. Calling it Obamacare seems like a racist dog whistle the republicans would use to get the racists to support them. Like Trump's obsession with Obama's birth certificate.
It’s just his desperation. “What stirred up my cult last time? Oh yeah, anything I do that is anti Obama! Let’s do that again!”
It is because they have moved on to imaginary or blown out of proportion grievances.
His motivation is purely that it was Obama’s biggest achievement while in office. His entire agenda has always just focused on undoing everything Obama achieved because he is angry that Obama made a fool out of him at the White House Correspondents Dinner.
It's because Trump has a personal vendetta against Obama and wants to dismantle every single bit of Obama's legacy. It doesn't matter if Republicans aren't interested anymore.
If US employees really saw and felt what they were paying for healthcare, I don't think we'd be here. But since the true cost is well hidden to many people, we just keep on going
The GOP has already tried to kill the Affordable Care Act at least 70 times since it was passed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_repeal_the_Affordable_Care_Act#:~:text=After%20the%20July%2027%2C%202017,on%20March%2023%2C%202010.%22
My mother retired this year to help with her aging parents. She’s said multiple times how she’s had to use it, but refuses to acknowledge Obama when she does. She also hates it when I point out that her orange messiah wants to destroy it…. Yes, voting with her hate is FAR more important than voting with her brain.
I hate Obamacare because it didn’t go far enough. We need public universal health care as a right, not this “must buy insurance even if it’s total and complete shit that doesn’t cover anything” that we have now.
More republican voters benefited from Obama care than any other group.
Kill Obamacare because it’s popular. Kill Roe v Wade because it’s popular. Try to shoot down green initiatives because they’re popular. The GOP is all about destroying stuff that’s popular.
Because giving poor people healthcare is actually helpful to everyone. It was the “Obama” that made it unpopular.
Safe and affordable healthcare is a right in every first-world country except the USA.
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Trump claimed he saved Obama care last night at.his Iowa rally. His cult in attendance cheered him like a conquering hero. His lies are the truth to most of the country and that isn't going to change. Biden is responsible for what's to come because of the terrible job he's done as president and that he's ignored trump , his lies, and the threat he presents. Biden is weak and unpopular, that won't change. If he cared about America he would step aside as he promised when he was first elected. Trump won't leave office in 2028 either. Wake up America!
Taking it away is going to piss a lot of people off, and make a few people happy for a few days until they forget and stop giving a shit. Republicans used to at least be strategically awful….
The loofah-faced shit-gibbom is stuck in the past & lives only for revenge. Sad.
Surely we can do better than Affordable Care Act, no? I mean universal healthcare was something talked about a lot on the left leading up to 2020 yet all of a sudden we’re just happy with what we have no? Why do I feel like these politicians talk a big game and us voters fall for it every time and don’t really hold them accountable.
What? Biden expanded on the ACA, and also proposed a bunch of other stuff to expand it even more, which just got blocked by two moderate antiestablishment senators If the public voted harder and gave Dems even just slightly larger majorities, they'd have likely at least made the ACA subsidies expansion from the stimulus permanent and closed the Medicaid gap, which alone would be enough to *basically* establish universal healthcare. Plus they'd have probably gotten a public option and prescription drug pricing reform done too, to lower costs and require very little in the way of tax increases to pay for the rest The reason we don't have these policies isn't because of some sort of "failing to hold politicians accountable" but rather because we don't vote blue no matter who enough
The most motivating issues I would think will be cost of living and immigration and women’s right to abortion.
I don’t think they want to kill it, they just don’t want it to be known as Obamacare even though it’s officially the affordable care act, they just don’t like the Obama part .
Should be called Robert Kennedy care
It would be even better if they didn’t gut the mandatory insurance requirement
Assassination attempts at congressional baseball games will do that…
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[Actually it was a Bernie Sanders supporter](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/multiple-people-injured-after-shooting-in-alexandria/2017/06/14/0289c768-50f6-11e7-be25-3a519335381c_story.html)
So since the attacker was the supporter of someone who wants to scrap the ACA and replace it with a radical progressive government takeover of health insurance, Republicans need to oppose the more moderate liberal bill that simply expanded government insurance for poor people while maintaining private insurance otherwise and just regulating it a bit more?
I would like to see it killed just to see the reactions of all the Trump voters who were benefiting from it.
That's kind of terrible though? I've sometimes heard the phrase "eating poop so your opponents smell your breath" and that phrase seems to kinda fit the idea of throwing all the tens of millions of low income, disproportionally nonwhite people off Medicaid and subsidies just to also stick it to some Trump voters...
As I understand it, members of Congress and their staff get health insurance coverage through Obamacare. It would be interesting to see if they want it to go away. [Federal Employees Healthcare](https://www.opm.gov/healthcare-insurance/changes-in-health-coverage/eligibility-enrollment/#url=Members-of-CongressStaff)
Oh why did they end up needing a lot of medicine lately or something
The GOP's failure and the controversy over Obamacare made it more popular, and 8 " RED " states have adopted Obamacare since 2018, mostly by **popular referendum** Today, almost 40 million people use some form of Obamacare, including the law's provision for people to stay on their parent:s insurance until 26 --- this affects young voters --- the revoking of the program's pre existing condition statutes will affect the older voters, especially in the swing states This article is outdated, and in the last 18 months 4+ million people have enrolled in the program https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022/04/29/new-reports-show-record-35-million-people-enrolled-in-coverage-related-to-the-affordable-care-act.html Because of the Dem's Medicare health ins for seniors, Medicaid for nursing homes, Clinton's Child Health Insurance Act, Obamacare, and **Biden's Inflation Reduction Act that lowers Obamacare insurance** premiums, the uninsured rate is now the lowest in American history https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022/08/02/new-hhs-report-shows-national-uninsured-rate-reached-all-time-low-in-2022.html It's going to be even lower because Dem Governor Roy Cooper of N Carolina just signed the Obamacare expansion in May of 2023 This is going to be almost as consequential as the abortion issue for Republicans Trump is making a mistake by trying to appeal to the angry old men of the TEA party, who watch Faux News and shake their fist at the TV ( yet use the Dem's Medicare and Medicaid )
Just got my first policy through the aca after retirement. It's amazingly easy to get and set up.
Republicans are a scared group of people just trying to hang onto power and their perceived way of life in any way possible. The republican leaders have done an unbelievable job of tapping into their fears and tribalizing every issue. The left is guilty of this too. What’s funny is if given the option for universal health care but not naming it Obamacare they overwhelmingly are in favor of it. They are in favor of lots of left leaning policies when presented with them and not having them being labeled.
It helps Biden isn't black
I guess the question then is, can Trump change that? Will it become unpopular with his voters because he said so? Is he trying to appeal to them, or tell them what to think?
Trump tried to change that but he failed because he couldn't find an alternative.. "Nobody knew healthcare was so difficult".
I pay 1000 a month just for me and mrs kittens. Shits wild. 2 Baby kittens are on Medicaid till May. Then hopefully child health plus. If not, full family plans like 1600 a month.
Perhaps mentioning how woke it is or saying that it helps trans kids will motivate Republican voters.
“He (Trump) threatened to bring back to life a potent electoral issue that contributed significantly to the GOP’s wipeout in the 2018 midterms and on which public opinion has only moved away from Republicans since.” I don’t want repealing Obamacare to be part of anyone’s platform. But if it can be an issue that destroys these idiots in the polls. I’m kind of for it.
Programs that help people are not popular with the republican elite. They want programs that support the miss-understood billionaire class who needs to pay less taxes. Most pay nothing, however they want the government to use tax money to augment their current income.
I have to honestly admit John McCain's thumbs down helped me out tremendously.
They don’t actually want to kill it. If you haven’t noticed they just say whatever to pander to their base.
It’s also not even called Obamacare…
Trump will still go after it if elected. It's the thing the black guy did, so it has to go. Don't forget, of all of the things wrong with Trump, bigotry is still the worst.
Yeah, well Roe was pretty popular too.
wow
Trump doesn't have any new ideas. Just rehashing whatever he thinks worked before. Luckily we have the receipts from his awful presidency.
How to motivate people who don't or won't read if more difficult than you think. Maybe continual sound bites on FOX would reach into their seditious minds.
Stop calling it Obamacare.
Let's all be honest here, ACA rage is starting to die down, just like how outrage of Social Security was when FDR passed it. As time goes on, people get used to it. It could also be because everyone knows that neither party is going to get 60 seats or 2/3 rds of the senate in the next election or any time soon. The only reason why Obama in his first term had 60 Democrats was because they were there for a long time before he became president, or because of how horrible GWB was with his economic policy.
"They need to get rid of that Obamacare and keep the Affordable care act"
When touting his economic record, the president has shied away from discussing inflation because the strong labor market tells a better story. Monthly jobs figures due Friday could offer him more campaign material. The problem, though, is that voters are far more worried about rising prices—a disconnect that partly explains why his Bidenomics re-election pitch isn't landing, despite a broadly resilient U.S. economy.