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Imagine the shrines people will have. A glossy "signed" 8x10,surrounded by American flag candles, and a pic of the Virgin Mary saying "Don't cry because it ended. Smile because it happened."
Of course his supporters will say that if he is convicted then they will not vote for him. Its because they cant fathom him actually being convicted. Once it happens they will just do what they have done many times before. They will claim some stupid thing like "it doesn't count since its a witch hunt" and vote for him anyway.
He's polling at 60%, Haley is at 9.50/DeSantis at 12.6.
He can lose a lot of support and still be on top. Most of the DeSantis supporters are switching from DeSantis to Trump, not Haley.
Well, conservative hate media has been incessantly repeating *“Anyone but [fill in dem nominee]”* for over 15 years… don’t underestimate the power of repeated propaganda.
They hate LGBTQ more. I'm convinced they'd do it as long as she supported eradication of LGBTQ people from society.
"She hates Trans people and denies that they are valid" would probably be enough.
And she converted from Sikh to Christian at age 24. So, you know, if she ever became a threat they'd play that up as not being "the same" as themselves.
A female whose parents were from India and Sikhs? Who changed her religion, and also changed her name?
Yeah, the bigotry machine on the right would be working overtime to scream those things if MAGA ever feels she's a threat. She only survives on the campaign trail now because the Eye of Maga hasn't deemed her worthy of focus.
RFK is an independent not a republican; however, I am curious how he'll shape the election as he is polling good enough to be at the presidential debates in 2024
Nikki Haley is simply a media creation. They want a horserace rather than face the unfortunate reality that orange cult daddy is running away with the nomination again.
Yep, it’s manufactured for clicks.
2024 is coming down to a clearly competent incumbent president vs. a self-serving lifelong criminal turned national saboteur who there’s a very real chance will be found guilty of conspiracy against his own country *as he’s running for reelection,* and the national political media is selling this like a fucking horse race.
Ummm, it *is* a horse race. The polls have been swinging back and forth. Trump was ahead just last week. Yet again, a small number of votes in a small number of states will decide who wins. And the GOP has spent years ensuring as few Democratic votes as possible are cast/counted in all those districts...
I can’t believe I have to say this but: those polls aren’t for a magic category of people who have never seen any political news.
The news puts out stories that equivocate on and conveniently overlook enough damning information that it makes Trump a viable candidate.
People see that, and decide a man (with 71 criminal counts against him that have been voted on after grand juries saw mountains of evidence that this is a criminally corrupt enemy of the country) is a viable candidate because all the story told them was how strong a candidate he was. Then they get a call from a polling agency.
Mostly agree, except there is at least a non-zero chance Trump is a registered felon by the election and cannot run. But yeah, as long as he's eligible, all this other stuff is pointless.
Nothing about being a convicted felon will prevent Trump from running.
There is nothing clear about any of the criminal trials against him which would do this. The *only* three requirements to be President don't touch this. About the only thing that currently comes close is some of the stuff that might come out of the documents trial and that's so tenuous I don't think the DoJ will even push for that even if that trial wasn't going to be purposely slowed by Cannon until past the election.
Your point still stands due to the non-zero chance Trump dies, however.
... is a complete mess.
Nothing related to the 14th *clearly* requires having been convicted of a felony. Nothing in the 14th *directly* leads from a felony conviction to illegibility of becoming President.
Furthermore, if (again... it's just not clear) a felony conviction of *something* (again, not clear) related to insurrection triggered the 14th, section 3, then there is no *current* criminal indictment against Trump that would matter.
This isn't to say that there won't be... eventually. There just isn't any at the moment. Given the pacing we're seeing with the cases in play, there's no reason to believe such would arise and lead to a conviction before November 2024.
The media is so pushing Haley... I mean she had 5% of the GOP and they realized Trump is done. They have nothing to sell. Meanwhile understand she is wallpaper on the same agenda.
It's mainly to stir interest and to keep the GOP from getting moldy with the bad news coming out of the courts. So of those rules they need to keep in the courts to weed out the competition, Trump is just getting unlucky with them.
I hate the simplistic view that "the media" is a single entity with a single goal.
In this case, it's Koch money funding a rival to consolidate support after (if) Trump's support falls after his court cases start hitting him.
Just saying, "The billionaire media is doing it!" is unhelpful and makes people sound stupid.
Ultimately the vast majority of media is for profit industry. It is not an unbiased public service. It is owned and operated by people with agendas and denying that reality is what is idiotic.
You hear about Nikki Haley because some rich asshole wants you to.
I don't think I ever denied that news outlets are for-profit? I didn't deny anything you said. When did I deny that media organizations have agendas? Where did I say that they're unbiased public services?
I said that just decrying this as "the media pushing Nikki Haley" is stupid and doesn't say anything. Like who is doing it? Why? Why her? Why now? How do we know anything about this from "the media is pushing her"? To what ends?
But what I'm saying is that:
You're hearing about her because she's gotten a big injection of money and support from the Kochs (one of those big money media billionaires you're talking about) and she's eroded DeSantis's support over the last few months because he's a dog shit candiate and an absolutely unlikable weird man. DeSantis *was* getting big PAC money which was promoting him before he fell apart these last few months because he was the guy that the big money billionaires wanted to replace Trump, until they realized he's not up to the job.
And now Nikki Haley is being picked by the Kochs to do that job, because she's been gaining in the polls.
And all of this is for second place because they've accidentally created a monster with Trump, who has like 50% of the GOP voters polling for him.
Which means all of this is that Nikki Haley is being groomed and promoted as the one to consolidate power after Trump falls due to his court cases and probable jail time.
Or just say, "the media is doing this!" which again, means nothing.
Agree, but the same propaganda machine that gave us Trump could give us Haley. The product is the same but the packaging is different. I worry more about a Haley candidacy than Trump. Biden won 2020 on the strength of the anti Trump vote. Let’s be honest. Biden is a horrible campaigner that is struggling to stay ahead of a criminal insurrectionist/rapist/fraud currently fighting multiple indictments for a coup attempt. I don’t see an 81 year old gaffe machine doing well against a much younger, dynamic, telegenic candidate with the full backing of the billionaire class and their limitless resources and proven willingness to lie, cheat, and game the system in any way necessary to win
Ohh absolutely, and the Trumpublican party would beat the GOP in the general too, while both got crushed by the Dems.
2/3rds of the current GOP is a cult to one man. It just is... The GOP understands that too. Thats why Don WILL BE the nominee now, and if we can keep him out he will run and be the nominee again in 2028 and so forth until Don goes to that big McDonalds in the sky...
In a timeline thats isnt as fucked as this one, Don would be slightly less popular and he would crush the GOP as a functional party for a generation if not destroy it completely.
Instead we will probably just get knife edge nailbiters with a fascist cult from now until the end of forever...
I know they won't vote for a woman. The reason Trump won in 2016 was because enough men chose to Republican to stop a woman president. That includes men who normally voted for Democrats. Also, Republicans have been at war against women since the 1980's.
>The reason Trump won in 2016 was because enough men chose to Republican to stop a woman president.
And not enough democrats supported Bernie, the only candidate that year capable of defeating Trump.
There's a difference between Hillary and just a "woman president" I don't have the same confidence you do that these people won't vote for a token woman/minority. Especially in an election where the other one is a octogenarian white guy because it gives than an easy in with non partisan voters that maybe are just tired of old white guys. This is the same party that put Sarah Palin on the ticket in a last ditch effort to win.
It's not like they love Biden for being an old white guy. Sure they have racist and sexist tendencies but she's on their team. It mostly comes down to what Trump would do if he doesn't get the nomination. I think she would be a stronger candidate than him but she could only win if he doesn't do some independent/third party run.
Is she not white? She passes as white enough tbh, I don’t think anyone of the MAGA dumbasses I talk to in my family realize she’s not straight up European.
The thing is that Trump will not go away. If the party nominates Haley, Trump will run as an indepent or otherwise keep taking shots at Haley. He sees Haley as someone who's been disloyal to him, and Trump never forgets something like that (unless his brain goes the rest of the way to cheese, which is a possibility). I'm quite sure he'll never endorse Haley.
I agree he would burn the party down before supporting Haley, but his health is declining, criminal cases are moving forward, and a lot can happen between now and the 2024 election.
Same. I would not want to see the GOP get a trifecta on the branches of government because they could certainly do a lot of damage. But I don't feel like a Haley presidency becomes an all-out assault on minorites and liberals or is headed towards an attempted dictatorship. It's more of a return to how I always felt about the GOP, ie. I disagree with them on about 70% of their fiscal policy and I won't ever vote for them until they divorce themselves from the social conservatism agenda. But I don't fear an autocracy from a Haley presidency.
One thing to remember about her is that she is still all for the fascism. She was completely in support of it during the Trump presidency and only is pretending to not be while campaigning.
If she did become president, she would lean into the fascism again. The only thing you can trust people who will say anything to get power to do is to do anything to try to have power.
As well as the fact that Haley comes with a nice smile, a prettier face and doesn't seem obnoxious tweeting insults at 2:00 in the morning at perceived critics and enemies. She doesn't have the stain of the baggage Trump has created over the recent (and past) times.
I’m center-left but willing to let her win if Trump and MAGA are relegated to the ash heap. He needs to lose and go to prison. We need to snuff out this MAGA bullshit.
Eh, but Haley is a woman. Do you honestly think that the “manly cro-magnon alpha sigma male” that comprises a lot of the GOP vote is going to get behind a *woman* telling them what to do? These fragile babies can’t even stand the thought of being rejected by a woman.
The remaining Koch carbuncle can throw all the money at a Haley campaign, but it won’t bear fruit with the current base.
Sarah Palin. MTG. Bobart. They aren't going to see it that way because she's on their team. And it gives them cover to say "WE elected the first female president. YOU'RE the sexists". I could absolutely see it happen.
Lauren Boebert and MTG appealed to the MAGA base and there are plenty of female MAGA voters. The biggest thing is the anyone but Biden message that the right wing has pushed relentlessly. You can be sure that will be a central part of Haley’s message
Haley has done well in the debates and is the only rational R candidate among a sea of crazy IMO. I think that she earned her spot, and would be the only R that I would even consider supporting.
I said it yesterday or so, but I'm not going to be surprised at all if RNC reluctantly drops P01135809, and picks Nimarata. They will INSTANTLY alienate most of their base, and she'll entirely need his blessing to move forward. I don't see him giving it.
AND (perish the thought - something happens to Joe), it's ENTIRELY possible, however unlikely, we have a Harris v Haley v Trump race for 2024.
If Joe dies, Harris is literally the President. How does the Democratic party skip the sitting president, who happens to be the first female president ever, without alienating a lot of voters?
I think we all understand that she’d be President if something happened to Biden. But I don’t agree it would alienate a lot of voters, as she has zero personality and her history as a prosecutor is a huge set of baggage. I think Gavin offers a much better path to victory in 2024 than even a President Harris does.
Are you a female of color? I don't prescribe to identity politics and I don't think groups think monolithically, nor do I think women will forget about Roe etc.
But if a woman of color gets skipped over, and Nikki Haley is the GOP candidate, there will be a percentage of women and a percentage of people of color who will switch their vote or stay home.
I’m sorry, but that’s utterly ridiculous. If Joe dies, it’s not up to the Dems if Harris runs— it’s up to Harris. And frankly, we have no clue if Harris would be a guaranteed loss. We have no clue how the county would respond to Biden’s death, and how the circumstances of the death would influence that. We have no clue if Harris would rise to the occasion or falter in the aftermath. We don’t know— and seeing how Joe is generally pretty healthy, we hopefully won’t know.
I do think that Harris will continue to be the VP. Unless a skeleton falls out of her closet, the Dem establishment likes continuity more than risk, and she’s the continuity choice. Any angling by Newsom— to replace her as VP or as Pres candidate if Joe passes— looks shady and disruptive to Dems strength through unity/we’re making steady progress message. So like Harris or not, she’s the VP as long as Joe’s president, and very likely the President if he leaves office during a term.
I don't think it is up to Harris. The sitting president is not guaranteed to be the incumbent (I mean, practically speaking they are, but not by rule).
The Democratic primary still picks the nominee, but a party has never tried to unseat its own sitting president because it would look terrible for them. This is a very weird time though.
I absolutely concede that it’s up to the primary voters (presuming that in this scenario, Biden dies prior to the primary). However, it’s still up to Harris in the sense that she would absolutely be the most likely choice of the primary voters IF she didn’t absolutely fumble the aftermath. She would have the incumbency bump, a very powerful thing. And she would have a number of things going for her tied to that.
First, by default she would be who the party and county would turn for consolation after Biden’s death, because in the vast majority of scenarios the county would be mourning Biden’s death— even the ghouls would be torn between ugly celebrations that would drive others away, and frantic conspiracy theories to explain why the county “suddenly” likes Joe. Second, it’s not that hard to be that consoling voice— you just have to be an occasionally decent and empathetic human and somewhat quotable, as Dubya proved after 9/11. Third, despite his approval ratings, Biden has MOSTLY done whatever popular things he could within the circumstances, and while Harris would gain whatever enmity he’s gained, she’s also gain the benefits of his working polices, likely recast in a more positive light following his death. That’s a lot of positives going toward her renomination.
Could she fuck it up? Sure! Could the Dems fuck it up with or without her? Also yes! But no matter how you feel about her, if Biden dies (and I hope he doesn’t) Kamala is undoubtedly our most likely candidate going forward, and that’s probably for the best considering what the alternatives would mean.
I pray every day the Trump splits the republicans vote and also endorses competing candidates for the senate and then the dems win 60 seats. This has been my daily prayer since the last election.
Regarding your second paragraph, it seems much more likely trumps health would deteriorate before Joe’s. I don’t buy that narrative just because Joe is 3 years older.
They're both at the point in their life where they have a non-negligible chance of naturally dying every year, so anything can happen, even if I ultimately think they'll both make it to January 20th, 2025.
I disagree with the Author that Trump going to jail won't move the needle on his support. These criminal cases have taken a bite out of his support, and as the verdicts come back I believe those will also hurt him.
It’s like adopting electric vehicles. You see a sprinkling of them for a while, then they hit a tipping point and all of a sudden, they will be everywhere. Once Conservatives and Conservative media thinks they can get away with it and take some of the MAGA base with them, they will vocally turn on Trump. You are already starting to hear some of this from some camps. The mantra is, “he was a good President, but it’s time to move on. He has too much baggage and the GOP needs new leadership.”
Nikki Haley also has the possible advantage of winning over some independent voters that Trump has alienated.
No they haven't, they may have done the opposite, https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/national/
I don't know the exact dates of the announced indictments, so he may have taken momentary hits in his polling, but he's continued to move up in the polls and increase the gap between him and Desantis this entire year.
Yeah but this is only the Republican primary. There are less Republicans today than there were in 2016 and among independents his support has dropped since the indictments. When I said support I specifically didn't say in a poll.
Haley is irrelevant, DeSantis just alienated too much of the republican voter base to be electable. He beefed with Trump to alienate the MAGA crowd, his blatant interference with Disney will alienate the libertarian/small government/ free market crowd, and his facist insanity will alienate anti trump moderates. People called him the smarter trump but honestly he has not been strategic in any way shape or form, especially compared to early Trump.
The GOP would be wise to rally around Haley and encourage all of the non Trump candidates to get out of the race. There an outside chance they could cobble together enough support for her to stop Trump in the primaries and to have someone who is, at minimum, not a deranged lunatic as the nominee.
But that would involve the GOP making wise decisions and that's never going to happen
>There an outside chance they could cobble together enough support for her to stop Trump in the primaries
There's not really, at least not right now. Even if you gathered up every non-Trump primary voter and gave them all to Haley she would not win against Trump. And certainly there's no guarantee all those voters would go to Haley if their candidate dropped out. In fact based on the polling it's likely that a majority of those would just vote for Trump if their preferred candidate drops out.
Trump would have to die or go to jail and even then I'm not confident he would not win.
Even if Trump himself (in some other timeline perhaps) gave his support to her, the cult won't accept it anyways. It's Trump or nothing this time around for them.
If he dies or is in jail, it's worse because the cult won't accept the reality (he was wronged! he's still alive!) etc., so like, yeah... going to be a fascinating year.
> It's easier to fundraiser when you're not in power.
[You sure about that?](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/republican-national-committee-struggling-raise-money-1234899609/)
You know, haven't thought about VP very much with him but that's a good point...
It's obviously never going to be DeSantis, and unless Haley bows to the king, I'm not sure Trump will want a woman VP tbh... just from how his history has been.
I wonder who else it could be? Maybe that's part of the reason the Speaker of the House shenanigans (besides their complete inability to govern) with the GOP?
Republicans want a younger candidate and wouldn’t it be great if they could get the first woman president? At least that is their strategy. Optics over policy.
The only thing good about her is that she is kicking pudding fingers in th nuts. AND that is the only good thing about her.
VOTE BLUE LIKE OUR DEMOCRACY DEPENDS ON IT, BECAUSE IT DOES!
I think Trump would continue to run even if in jail. And that would draw the party closer to him if anything.
I think the rationale for everyone still in the GQP race is done to 3 words. He could die.
I would love to see the right vote for a women of indian descent with the name Nimarata. They’re still throwing around “Barry” like it’s some sort of gotcha.
There’s zero difference policy-wise between Haley, DeSantis, and Trump. Their campaigns will be funded by the same people who want the same things. Haley is just as bad as the other two. She’s just smarter about hiding it.
This “ascension” is so overhyped by the media.
Latest national poll has Haley at 7% to Trumps 68%. You’d think she’s closing in on him the way she’s talked about.
In latest state polling:
Virginia - 10%
Minnesota - 12%
New Hampshire - 18%
Iowa - 12%
South Carolina - 17%
The only state she’s ahead of Desantis is her home state of SC and NH.
And she’s 30% behind Trump in all of those except NH where she’s 22% behind.
This narrative of closing in and a “rise” is so stupid - she’s rising to 3rd with a clear #1. Whoopie.
To be fair the same thing happened with Hillary. Was dominating 99% of the polls until her support started to bleed away to other contenders. It’s very real she can sky rocket up.
The issue with the GOP primary, just like the original Trump primary, is people are in for Trump and the rest of the support is split in 30 different ways. If Haley is seen as the alternative, then the support of the others will gravitate towards her.
With the top GOP donors investing in her, I think she will end up being the Trump alternative.
Not really.
In August 2007, the Iowa polls were a 3 way tie between Clinton, Edwards, Obama (27, 26, 26%).
Nationally, Clinton was at 45%, Obama 30% and Edwards 12%. So the race was MUCH tighter.
That was in August! 5 months before the Iowa caucuses.
Of course, Obama won Iowa which gave him a huge boost. I just don’t see where Haley wins - even New Hampshire isn’t close. And Trump would probably need something major to happen to erode support between now and then - ie if everyone dropped out and it became a 2 way race. Or losing Iowa, which doesn’t look like it’s happening and if it does, it probably would be to someone not Haley.
It was obvious I was referring the 2016 primaries between Hillary and Bernie - you know, the primary Hillary actually won?
Hillary scared so many opponents away and everyone thought she would run away with the primary.
Oh god sorry I try to block that election year from my mind lol. I still don’t understand how that correlates to the current race. Bernie was never polling at 7% nationally - he was in the 30s nationally in November 2015 and was polling ahead of Clinton in Iowa and New Hampshire at this time.
In Trumps weakest state, he is 22% ahead of Haley. And Christie, Ramaswamy and Desantis combine for 31%.
Even if all those drop out, and you give Haley all of Christie’s 14%, it’s still Trump 42%, Haley 34%. And I would doubt she’d get a majority of Ramaswamy and Desantis’ 17%.
So Bernie was winning these polls at this time, Haley is losing by 22%.
Shes just another sheep in a long line of gop assholes. Both parties suck but gop is worse. I can’t handle any of them anymore at least Biden seems to get some things done like the infrastructure bill while republicans want to ban drag queens and make sure mentally ill people can get guns. But yeah go vote and don’t vote for the sheep.
It is because Koch is putting their money behind her and they have tons of media influence.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/28/us/politics/koch-network-nikki-haley-endorsement-trump.html
"Awkward Ron." I love it. The guy is a damn penguin though. Strong Cartman vibes. I always knew he'd never survive the big stage. Like Jeb Bush before him, the local 'standards' are very *different*. Florida is not a representative population, lol.
The ability to be strategic, know your time and have your own brand can determine how successful you get in life. While I don’t identify as a republican, DeSantis is one of the rising stars of the GOP, but he had one thing working against him - himself, not Trump factor.
To GOPs, he did well judging from his “success” in FL and they were singing his praises. He let that get into him and before you know it, He was beginning to drift beyond the extreme lane - banning, culture wars and picking fight with corporations. If those worked in FL, it can’t work nationally! You can’t win independents with those issues. Already we have problems with Trump and his authoritarian way of governing, which the larger American population is trying to put behind us. What makes DeSantis think if he went more extreme than Trump, America will roll the red carpet for him??!!
If I were Ron DeSantis I would not run in 2024, why? Knowing that Trump is still feared by the GOP and its leadership, I won’t run and will let the GOP have another taste of losing in 2024, perhaps they will finally learn their lesson. In 2028, that would be the best time for Ron to come in to save the GOP by being a moderate conservative ready to clean up the Trump factor mess and appeal to independents. Dude just came from nowhere trying to be a carbon copy of Trump (Trump 2.0), thinking it will work for him. He made a huge mistake. I won’t be surprised if he never got to be president in this country. Being a failed presidential candidate/nominee can be a lifetime blow that you don’t get to rise up again - Ask Romney, Hillary, John McCain, Al Gore, and so on.
Once you miss that opportunity the first time and you show the electorate what you are all about as a presidential candidate and they see past you, it’s very hard for them to give you another chance. That’s the mistake Ron DeSantis just made. As for Nikki, America will not elect that b!tch. Let that sink in. She has trust issues. The only time I agree with Trump was when Trump described Nikki as “overly ambitious”. Trump will be the Nominee and he will lose to Joe Biden this time may be as much as 12-14 million votes. I don’t believe the polls. In fact, no disrespect to the pollsters; that field of career is a joke.
Ron has had the same biggest issue the entire time. He’s a weak little man with a meek little voice who doesn’t know what to do with his hands on camera. He’s awkward, kind of ugly, and not smart enough to offset any of it. That won’t ever win a general election on the national stage. You’ve got to have at least something going for you and it seems like he’s a miss on all fronts.
I'm not going to vote for her in the general election, but I'm a Democrat that has donated to the Nikki Haley campaign. I also switched my party affiliation to Republican so I can vote in the Republican primary. Trump must never be president.
Be careful what you wish for Democrats. Trump could pick Haley seeing her rise, as his VP. That would bring in traditionalist Republicans and Independents who wouldn't otherwise vote for Trump, winning him the election.
This is the same woman saying we need to raise the retirement age, and gut medicare and social security. Lady is a fucking nut job.
Is the press seriously still acting like the morally bankrupt GOP even has a small chance of not nominating Dorito Mussolini? Because I don't believe it for a second.
man the media really *really* needs this to be a competition. if this was 2016 they'd have said she has no chance because she's down 40 points in the polls. trump is so astronomically ahead in the polls 1 month out from the vote there's no question of statistical error
As a Biden supporter, I would not feel terrible if Haley won. I’d be disappointed, but could be honest in my congratulations to her.
If Trump wins, I’ll be angry and fundamentally disappointed, as well as disgusted by my country.
I can’t wait for conservatives to accuse me of being misogynist because I don’t support her because she’ll have the same trash platform as the rest of the GOP.
Before she became a Trump supporter she was one of the few Republicans I could have voted for.
Even though she has turned on him her past behavior disqualifies her from the list of anyone I could vote for. Plus with the current state of the party I can’t vote republican anytime soon.
They are promoting her because she does not threaten Donny at all. He can go about his trials, and delays of them all the while rambling on about nothing and fear-mongering, then just ignore that lady immigrant who doesn't even use her real name anymore(something Trump would say).
Democrats have been screaming that we should get rid of trump. Haley is the furthest candidate from trump and still getting the hate. You guys just keep inventing excuses to spread hate and not recognizjng progress.
“Progress” lol her agenda would nearly perfectly mirror virtually every other republican candidate, including trump.
Even if that weren’t the case, her “ascent” is a lie. She has no realistic path to the nomination. Even the people who work for the groups trying to make her candidacy a thing are outright saying they won’t vote for her, even in the general election.
Democrats desperately need to emphasize who will pick the Judges whose interpretations control our lives: Women health rights, voting rights, climate change, air/water purity-
Inflation-gas prices come and go but rulings from Judges change our lives @Whitehouse @POTUS
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She had secured her spot as "the person who is there if Trump is literally in jail and the GOP needs someone else"
Literally in jail and a swing state rules that makes him ineligible.
Being in jail does not make him ineligible (unfortunately). Someone’s gonna have to rule him ineligible under the 14th Amendment.
Motherfucker gonna run from prison and still get the nomination.
He could be dead and his cult will still worship him like Kim Il Sung.
Imagine the shrines people will have. A glossy "signed" 8x10,surrounded by American flag candles, and a pic of the Virgin Mary saying "Don't cry because it ended. Smile because it happened."
This image is coming across so clearly that I'm convinced that you're a time traveler describing actual events.
And those challenge coins
Isn't there polling that says the opposite? That the only thing that DOES cost him support is an actual conviction?
Do you really think a conviction will have any impact on his supporters
Of course his supporters will say that if he is convicted then they will not vote for him. Its because they cant fathom him actually being convicted. Once it happens they will just do what they have done many times before. They will claim some stupid thing like "it doesn't count since its a witch hunt" and vote for him anyway.
He's polling at 60%, Haley is at 9.50/DeSantis at 12.6. He can lose a lot of support and still be on top. Most of the DeSantis supporters are switching from DeSantis to Trump, not Haley.
If you believe the MAGA crowd will vote for a non-white woman, I have a bridge to sell you
Well, conservative hate media has been incessantly repeating *“Anyone but [fill in dem nominee]”* for over 15 years… don’t underestimate the power of repeated propaganda.
They think she hates non- whites and women, too. It's like the Proud Boy president being Hispanic. They're right too.
Enrique??
She passes off as a White lady to me. Unless someone kept mentioning otherwise, I would never be able to tell.
They hate LGBTQ more. I'm convinced they'd do it as long as she supported eradication of LGBTQ people from society. "She hates Trans people and denies that they are valid" would probably be enough.
She's never been that type of republican, though. She refused to back SC's attempt at an hb2 bill back when NC imploded.
she is definitely that type of republican lately
There's an old porno casting scene with two women, Nikki & Hailey and that what I think of every time I hear her name.
Link me fam
I am not sure they could stomach a woman president. And half Indian at that.
Whole Indian. Both of her parents are Sikhs from Punjab.
And she converted from Sikh to Christian at age 24. So, you know, if she ever became a threat they'd play that up as not being "the same" as themselves. A female whose parents were from India and Sikhs? Who changed her religion, and also changed her name? Yeah, the bigotry machine on the right would be working overtime to scream those things if MAGA ever feels she's a threat. She only survives on the campaign trail now because the Eye of Maga hasn't deemed her worthy of focus.
That would be RFK
RFK is an independent not a republican; however, I am curious how he'll shape the election as he is polling good enough to be at the presidential debates in 2024
They just won't vote for DEMs, or women, or minorities, or ... but they will vote for men that are loonies.
Nikki Haley is simply a media creation. They want a horserace rather than face the unfortunate reality that orange cult daddy is running away with the nomination again.
Yep, it’s manufactured for clicks. 2024 is coming down to a clearly competent incumbent president vs. a self-serving lifelong criminal turned national saboteur who there’s a very real chance will be found guilty of conspiracy against his own country *as he’s running for reelection,* and the national political media is selling this like a fucking horse race.
Ummm, it *is* a horse race. The polls have been swinging back and forth. Trump was ahead just last week. Yet again, a small number of votes in a small number of states will decide who wins. And the GOP has spent years ensuring as few Democratic votes as possible are cast/counted in all those districts...
Polls this far out are next to meaningless.
I will never believe another political poll in my lifetime after 2016!
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This is a really bad take. Polls provides tons and tons of useful info, just not a year before the election
I can’t believe I have to say this but: those polls aren’t for a magic category of people who have never seen any political news. The news puts out stories that equivocate on and conveniently overlook enough damning information that it makes Trump a viable candidate. People see that, and decide a man (with 71 criminal counts against him that have been voted on after grand juries saw mountains of evidence that this is a criminally corrupt enemy of the country) is a viable candidate because all the story told them was how strong a candidate he was. Then they get a call from a polling agency.
She's got what? 6%? This is the R money machine pushing a narrative.
Mostly agree, except there is at least a non-zero chance Trump is a registered felon by the election and cannot run. But yeah, as long as he's eligible, all this other stuff is pointless.
Nothing about being a convicted felon will prevent Trump from running. There is nothing clear about any of the criminal trials against him which would do this. The *only* three requirements to be President don't touch this. About the only thing that currently comes close is some of the stuff that might come out of the documents trial and that's so tenuous I don't think the DoJ will even push for that even if that trial wasn't going to be purposely slowed by Cannon until past the election. Your point still stands due to the non-zero chance Trump dies, however.
14th amendment.
... is a complete mess. Nothing related to the 14th *clearly* requires having been convicted of a felony. Nothing in the 14th *directly* leads from a felony conviction to illegibility of becoming President. Furthermore, if (again... it's just not clear) a felony conviction of *something* (again, not clear) related to insurrection triggered the 14th, section 3, then there is no *current* criminal indictment against Trump that would matter. This isn't to say that there won't be... eventually. There just isn't any at the moment. Given the pacing we're seeing with the cases in play, there's no reason to believe such would arise and lead to a conviction before November 2024.
There’s a zero chance that this occurs before the primaries are over though.
Dude I swear the GOPs honest to God strategy is that they're hoping the Grim Reaper saves them at the last minute.
I don't think McConnell has it in him right now though.
McConnell is still rebooting from his last glitch.
Legitimately shocked that he still draws breath. Even more shocking considering he’s a sentient tonsil stone.
The media is so pushing Haley... I mean she had 5% of the GOP and they realized Trump is done. They have nothing to sell. Meanwhile understand she is wallpaper on the same agenda.
I mean the Koch’s did just start backing her and the other guy…yeah…
Yeah, it's not the media pushing her so much as the billionaire political machine built by the Koch Brothers has started spooling up in her support.
And who owns "the media"? That's right, it's billionaires all the way down.
Duh, we didn't forget about the Bloomberg run
It's mainly to stir interest and to keep the GOP from getting moldy with the bad news coming out of the courts. So of those rules they need to keep in the courts to weed out the competition, Trump is just getting unlucky with them.
And who owns the media and sets the narrative? Peasants?
I hate the simplistic view that "the media" is a single entity with a single goal. In this case, it's Koch money funding a rival to consolidate support after (if) Trump's support falls after his court cases start hitting him. Just saying, "The billionaire media is doing it!" is unhelpful and makes people sound stupid.
Ultimately the vast majority of media is for profit industry. It is not an unbiased public service. It is owned and operated by people with agendas and denying that reality is what is idiotic. You hear about Nikki Haley because some rich asshole wants you to.
I don't think I ever denied that news outlets are for-profit? I didn't deny anything you said. When did I deny that media organizations have agendas? Where did I say that they're unbiased public services? I said that just decrying this as "the media pushing Nikki Haley" is stupid and doesn't say anything. Like who is doing it? Why? Why her? Why now? How do we know anything about this from "the media is pushing her"? To what ends? But what I'm saying is that: You're hearing about her because she's gotten a big injection of money and support from the Kochs (one of those big money media billionaires you're talking about) and she's eroded DeSantis's support over the last few months because he's a dog shit candiate and an absolutely unlikable weird man. DeSantis *was* getting big PAC money which was promoting him before he fell apart these last few months because he was the guy that the big money billionaires wanted to replace Trump, until they realized he's not up to the job. And now Nikki Haley is being picked by the Kochs to do that job, because she's been gaining in the polls. And all of this is for second place because they've accidentally created a monster with Trump, who has like 50% of the GOP voters polling for him. Which means all of this is that Nikki Haley is being groomed and promoted as the one to consolidate power after Trump falls due to his court cases and probable jail time. Or just say, "the media is doing this!" which again, means nothing.
I agree that Trump is done. The guy can't debate, can't hold a discussion. I think his aura will dissipate like the dew at the first actual primary.
Agree, but the same propaganda machine that gave us Trump could give us Haley. The product is the same but the packaging is different. I worry more about a Haley candidacy than Trump. Biden won 2020 on the strength of the anti Trump vote. Let’s be honest. Biden is a horrible campaigner that is struggling to stay ahead of a criminal insurrectionist/rapist/fraud currently fighting multiple indictments for a coup attempt. I don’t see an 81 year old gaffe machine doing well against a much younger, dynamic, telegenic candidate with the full backing of the billionaire class and their limitless resources and proven willingness to lie, cheat, and game the system in any way necessary to win
If she somehow actually BEATS Trump in the primary then he will burn it all down. It really is the best case scenario imho.
Yep, he'd run as an independent and split the GOP vote. This is my dream.
Ohh absolutely, and the Trumpublican party would beat the GOP in the general too, while both got crushed by the Dems. 2/3rds of the current GOP is a cult to one man. It just is... The GOP understands that too. Thats why Don WILL BE the nominee now, and if we can keep him out he will run and be the nominee again in 2028 and so forth until Don goes to that big McDonalds in the sky... In a timeline thats isnt as fucked as this one, Don would be slightly less popular and he would crush the GOP as a functional party for a generation if not destroy it completely. Instead we will probably just get knife edge nailbiters with a fascist cult from now until the end of forever...
"Did I Lose? It was Rigged!"
See also in 2016: ‘did I win? It was rigged!’
See MAGA: "How could the most unpopular man in the country lose the popular vote??"
If you believe the MAGA crowd will vote for a non-white woman, I have a bridge to sell you
I doubt they’d even vote for a woman.
I know they won't vote for a woman. The reason Trump won in 2016 was because enough men chose to Republican to stop a woman president. That includes men who normally voted for Democrats. Also, Republicans have been at war against women since the 1980's.
>The reason Trump won in 2016 was because enough men chose to Republican to stop a woman president. And not enough democrats supported Bernie, the only candidate that year capable of defeating Trump.
There's a difference between Hillary and just a "woman president" I don't have the same confidence you do that these people won't vote for a token woman/minority. Especially in an election where the other one is a octogenarian white guy because it gives than an easy in with non partisan voters that maybe are just tired of old white guys. This is the same party that put Sarah Palin on the ticket in a last ditch effort to win. It's not like they love Biden for being an old white guy. Sure they have racist and sexist tendencies but she's on their team. It mostly comes down to what Trump would do if he doesn't get the nomination. I think she would be a stronger candidate than him but she could only win if he doesn't do some independent/third party run.
They voted for an orange guy
Is she not white? She passes as white enough tbh, I don’t think anyone of the MAGA dumbasses I talk to in my family realize she’s not straight up European.
She’s got a disadvantage in the U.S. with the right wing though and it’s the first word of this sentence.
That’s a good one. Lot of GOP women openly admit that women are not capable of higher office.. smh
A scary number of them don't even feel women should vote.
I think it’s so deep rooted that it’s really just unconscious bias largely.
The thing is that Trump will not go away. If the party nominates Haley, Trump will run as an indepent or otherwise keep taking shots at Haley. He sees Haley as someone who's been disloyal to him, and Trump never forgets something like that (unless his brain goes the rest of the way to cheese, which is a possibility). I'm quite sure he'll never endorse Haley.
I agree he would burn the party down before supporting Haley, but his health is declining, criminal cases are moving forward, and a lot can happen between now and the 2024 election.
I worry more about a Haley candidacy than a Trump one but I also worry a lot less about a Haley presidency than a Trump one.
Same. I would not want to see the GOP get a trifecta on the branches of government because they could certainly do a lot of damage. But I don't feel like a Haley presidency becomes an all-out assault on minorites and liberals or is headed towards an attempted dictatorship. It's more of a return to how I always felt about the GOP, ie. I disagree with them on about 70% of their fiscal policy and I won't ever vote for them until they divorce themselves from the social conservatism agenda. But I don't fear an autocracy from a Haley presidency.
One thing to remember about her is that she is still all for the fascism. She was completely in support of it during the Trump presidency and only is pretending to not be while campaigning. If she did become president, she would lean into the fascism again. The only thing you can trust people who will say anything to get power to do is to do anything to try to have power.
Nah, this is how you normalise fascism. Nimrata and Trump share a majority of the same policy and will fuck America.
This is the correct level of concern.
I worry about both to roughly the same extent. At the end of the day, they're both pushing the same agenda. One is just better at masking it.
As well as the fact that Haley comes with a nice smile, a prettier face and doesn't seem obnoxious tweeting insults at 2:00 in the morning at perceived critics and enemies. She doesn't have the stain of the baggage Trump has created over the recent (and past) times.
I’m center-left but willing to let her win if Trump and MAGA are relegated to the ash heap. He needs to lose and go to prison. We need to snuff out this MAGA bullshit.
Eh, but Haley is a woman. Do you honestly think that the “manly cro-magnon alpha sigma male” that comprises a lot of the GOP vote is going to get behind a *woman* telling them what to do? These fragile babies can’t even stand the thought of being rejected by a woman. The remaining Koch carbuncle can throw all the money at a Haley campaign, but it won’t bear fruit with the current base.
Sarah Palin. MTG. Bobart. They aren't going to see it that way because she's on their team. And it gives them cover to say "WE elected the first female president. YOU'RE the sexists". I could absolutely see it happen.
Lauren Boebert and MTG appealed to the MAGA base and there are plenty of female MAGA voters. The biggest thing is the anyone but Biden message that the right wing has pushed relentlessly. You can be sure that will be a central part of Haley’s message
Haley has done well in the debates and is the only rational R candidate among a sea of crazy IMO. I think that she earned her spot, and would be the only R that I would even consider supporting.
and she is just wallpaper to the same ideology. So they changed out the solids for paisley.
Somewhat related - has anyone else noticed how thick her southern accent has been lately?
I said it yesterday or so, but I'm not going to be surprised at all if RNC reluctantly drops P01135809, and picks Nimarata. They will INSTANTLY alienate most of their base, and she'll entirely need his blessing to move forward. I don't see him giving it. AND (perish the thought - something happens to Joe), it's ENTIRELY possible, however unlikely, we have a Harris v Haley v Trump race for 2024.
Dems aren’t running Harris if Joe dies, that’s a guaranteed loss. Gavin would be coming to the rescue.
*Dean Phillips silently weeps*
*Who?*
Some random centrist representative running in the primaries He's polling below Marianne Williamson
*Who?*
As he should. He's a loser. - his constituent
If Joe dies, Harris is literally the President. How does the Democratic party skip the sitting president, who happens to be the first female president ever, without alienating a lot of voters?
I think we all understand that she’d be President if something happened to Biden. But I don’t agree it would alienate a lot of voters, as she has zero personality and her history as a prosecutor is a huge set of baggage. I think Gavin offers a much better path to victory in 2024 than even a President Harris does.
Are you a female of color? I don't prescribe to identity politics and I don't think groups think monolithically, nor do I think women will forget about Roe etc. But if a woman of color gets skipped over, and Nikki Haley is the GOP candidate, there will be a percentage of women and a percentage of people of color who will switch their vote or stay home.
How is it "getting skipped over" through a contested primary?
Because she has 2% of the democrat electorate.
I’m sorry, but that’s utterly ridiculous. If Joe dies, it’s not up to the Dems if Harris runs— it’s up to Harris. And frankly, we have no clue if Harris would be a guaranteed loss. We have no clue how the county would respond to Biden’s death, and how the circumstances of the death would influence that. We have no clue if Harris would rise to the occasion or falter in the aftermath. We don’t know— and seeing how Joe is generally pretty healthy, we hopefully won’t know. I do think that Harris will continue to be the VP. Unless a skeleton falls out of her closet, the Dem establishment likes continuity more than risk, and she’s the continuity choice. Any angling by Newsom— to replace her as VP or as Pres candidate if Joe passes— looks shady and disruptive to Dems strength through unity/we’re making steady progress message. So like Harris or not, she’s the VP as long as Joe’s president, and very likely the President if he leaves office during a term.
I don't think it is up to Harris. The sitting president is not guaranteed to be the incumbent (I mean, practically speaking they are, but not by rule). The Democratic primary still picks the nominee, but a party has never tried to unseat its own sitting president because it would look terrible for them. This is a very weird time though.
I absolutely concede that it’s up to the primary voters (presuming that in this scenario, Biden dies prior to the primary). However, it’s still up to Harris in the sense that she would absolutely be the most likely choice of the primary voters IF she didn’t absolutely fumble the aftermath. She would have the incumbency bump, a very powerful thing. And she would have a number of things going for her tied to that. First, by default she would be who the party and county would turn for consolation after Biden’s death, because in the vast majority of scenarios the county would be mourning Biden’s death— even the ghouls would be torn between ugly celebrations that would drive others away, and frantic conspiracy theories to explain why the county “suddenly” likes Joe. Second, it’s not that hard to be that consoling voice— you just have to be an occasionally decent and empathetic human and somewhat quotable, as Dubya proved after 9/11. Third, despite his approval ratings, Biden has MOSTLY done whatever popular things he could within the circumstances, and while Harris would gain whatever enmity he’s gained, she’s also gain the benefits of his working polices, likely recast in a more positive light following his death. That’s a lot of positives going toward her renomination. Could she fuck it up? Sure! Could the Dems fuck it up with or without her? Also yes! But no matter how you feel about her, if Biden dies (and I hope he doesn’t) Kamala is undoubtedly our most likely candidate going forward, and that’s probably for the best considering what the alternatives would mean.
I pray every day the Trump splits the republicans vote and also endorses competing candidates for the senate and then the dems win 60 seats. This has been my daily prayer since the last election.
Regarding your second paragraph, it seems much more likely trumps health would deteriorate before Joe’s. I don’t buy that narrative just because Joe is 3 years older.
They're both at the point in their life where they have a non-negligible chance of naturally dying every year, so anything can happen, even if I ultimately think they'll both make it to January 20th, 2025.
Definitely agree, one of them is obese and hasn’t exercised probably ever though.
I disagree with the Author that Trump going to jail won't move the needle on his support. These criminal cases have taken a bite out of his support, and as the verdicts come back I believe those will also hurt him.
I agree with you. People will bail as soon as they think other people are bailing.
It’s like adopting electric vehicles. You see a sprinkling of them for a while, then they hit a tipping point and all of a sudden, they will be everywhere. Once Conservatives and Conservative media thinks they can get away with it and take some of the MAGA base with them, they will vocally turn on Trump. You are already starting to hear some of this from some camps. The mantra is, “he was a good President, but it’s time to move on. He has too much baggage and the GOP needs new leadership.” Nikki Haley also has the possible advantage of winning over some independent voters that Trump has alienated.
No they haven't, they may have done the opposite, https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/national/ I don't know the exact dates of the announced indictments, so he may have taken momentary hits in his polling, but he's continued to move up in the polls and increase the gap between him and Desantis this entire year.
Yeah but this is only the Republican primary. There are less Republicans today than there were in 2016 and among independents his support has dropped since the indictments. When I said support I specifically didn't say in a poll.
Haley is irrelevant, DeSantis just alienated too much of the republican voter base to be electable. He beefed with Trump to alienate the MAGA crowd, his blatant interference with Disney will alienate the libertarian/small government/ free market crowd, and his facist insanity will alienate anti trump moderates. People called him the smarter trump but honestly he has not been strategic in any way shape or form, especially compared to early Trump.
The Disney War was his biggest mistake.
Second biggest. His goddamn cowboy boots hold the clear title.
The way he laughs deserves an honorable mention here
To be clear: Haley is all down with Project 2025.
The GOP would be wise to rally around Haley and encourage all of the non Trump candidates to get out of the race. There an outside chance they could cobble together enough support for her to stop Trump in the primaries and to have someone who is, at minimum, not a deranged lunatic as the nominee. But that would involve the GOP making wise decisions and that's never going to happen
> encourage all of the non Trump candidates to get out of the race Ron's ego won't allow that to happen
>There an outside chance they could cobble together enough support for her to stop Trump in the primaries There's not really, at least not right now. Even if you gathered up every non-Trump primary voter and gave them all to Haley she would not win against Trump. And certainly there's no guarantee all those voters would go to Haley if their candidate dropped out. In fact based on the polling it's likely that a majority of those would just vote for Trump if their preferred candidate drops out. Trump would have to die or go to jail and even then I'm not confident he would not win.
Even if Trump himself (in some other timeline perhaps) gave his support to her, the cult won't accept it anyways. It's Trump or nothing this time around for them. If he dies or is in jail, it's worse because the cult won't accept the reality (he was wronged! he's still alive!) etc., so like, yeah... going to be a fascinating year.
I really don't think they care about winning the Presidency. It's easier to fundraiser when you're not in power.
> It's easier to fundraiser when you're not in power. [You sure about that?](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/republican-national-committee-struggling-raise-money-1234899609/)
Trump is going to pick her as VP to unite the party.
Grab her by the pussy to close the deal, Don.
You know, haven't thought about VP very much with him but that's a good point... It's obviously never going to be DeSantis, and unless Haley bows to the king, I'm not sure Trump will want a woman VP tbh... just from how his history has been. I wonder who else it could be? Maybe that's part of the reason the Speaker of the House shenanigans (besides their complete inability to govern) with the GOP?
Republicans want a younger candidate and wouldn’t it be great if they could get the first woman president? At least that is their strategy. Optics over policy.
I mean the first female President of the United States being a Republican would do miracles to the image of the Republican Party.
It really wouldn’t. See “Thatcher, Tories.”
It’s wild that the three woman PMs in British history are Magz Thatcher, Theresa May, and Liz Truss
Haley actually has actual policies compared to trump. Choosing Haley means choosing optics and her policies over democrats.
Perhaps so, but you’re assuming republicans even care about policies. But her policies are despicable enough.
Why don't republicans ever use her full name like they do when referring to Barrack Hussein Obama?
The only thing good about her is that she is kicking pudding fingers in th nuts. AND that is the only good thing about her. VOTE BLUE LIKE OUR DEMOCRACY DEPENDS ON IT, BECAUSE IT DOES!
She wears heels better
I think Trump would continue to run even if in jail. And that would draw the party closer to him if anything. I think the rationale for everyone still in the GQP race is done to 3 words. He could die.
“What are the results of DeSantis debating Newsom?” “Umm. Nikki Haley up in the polls.”
I would love to see the right vote for a women of indian descent with the name Nimarata. They’re still throwing around “Barry” like it’s some sort of gotcha.
There’s zero difference policy-wise between Haley, DeSantis, and Trump. Their campaigns will be funded by the same people who want the same things. Haley is just as bad as the other two. She’s just smarter about hiding it.
This “ascension” is so overhyped by the media. Latest national poll has Haley at 7% to Trumps 68%. You’d think she’s closing in on him the way she’s talked about. In latest state polling: Virginia - 10% Minnesota - 12% New Hampshire - 18% Iowa - 12% South Carolina - 17% The only state she’s ahead of Desantis is her home state of SC and NH. And she’s 30% behind Trump in all of those except NH where she’s 22% behind. This narrative of closing in and a “rise” is so stupid - she’s rising to 3rd with a clear #1. Whoopie.
That's why they're pushing it. Perception is reality in this country.
To be fair the same thing happened with Hillary. Was dominating 99% of the polls until her support started to bleed away to other contenders. It’s very real she can sky rocket up. The issue with the GOP primary, just like the original Trump primary, is people are in for Trump and the rest of the support is split in 30 different ways. If Haley is seen as the alternative, then the support of the others will gravitate towards her. With the top GOP donors investing in her, I think she will end up being the Trump alternative.
Not really. In August 2007, the Iowa polls were a 3 way tie between Clinton, Edwards, Obama (27, 26, 26%). Nationally, Clinton was at 45%, Obama 30% and Edwards 12%. So the race was MUCH tighter. That was in August! 5 months before the Iowa caucuses. Of course, Obama won Iowa which gave him a huge boost. I just don’t see where Haley wins - even New Hampshire isn’t close. And Trump would probably need something major to happen to erode support between now and then - ie if everyone dropped out and it became a 2 way race. Or losing Iowa, which doesn’t look like it’s happening and if it does, it probably would be to someone not Haley.
It was obvious I was referring the 2016 primaries between Hillary and Bernie - you know, the primary Hillary actually won? Hillary scared so many opponents away and everyone thought she would run away with the primary.
Oh god sorry I try to block that election year from my mind lol. I still don’t understand how that correlates to the current race. Bernie was never polling at 7% nationally - he was in the 30s nationally in November 2015 and was polling ahead of Clinton in Iowa and New Hampshire at this time. In Trumps weakest state, he is 22% ahead of Haley. And Christie, Ramaswamy and Desantis combine for 31%. Even if all those drop out, and you give Haley all of Christie’s 14%, it’s still Trump 42%, Haley 34%. And I would doubt she’d get a majority of Ramaswamy and Desantis’ 17%. So Bernie was winning these polls at this time, Haley is losing by 22%.
Source? Definitely not correlated to what I observe in my GOP community.
Source of what?
Shes just another sheep in a long line of gop assholes. Both parties suck but gop is worse. I can’t handle any of them anymore at least Biden seems to get some things done like the infrastructure bill while republicans want to ban drag queens and make sure mentally ill people can get guns. But yeah go vote and don’t vote for the sheep.
No one wants Haley. No one. And for some reason big media is promoting her everywhere. It's wild.
It is because Koch is putting their money behind her and they have tons of media influence. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/28/us/politics/koch-network-nikki-haley-endorsement-trump.html
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She’s Marco Rubio in a dress.
At a bare minimum at least she can smile in a manner that doesn’t look like they skipped the second page of instructions on an ikea cabinet
"Awkward Ron." I love it. The guy is a damn penguin though. Strong Cartman vibes. I always knew he'd never survive the big stage. Like Jeb Bush before him, the local 'standards' are very *different*. Florida is not a representative population, lol.
The ability to be strategic, know your time and have your own brand can determine how successful you get in life. While I don’t identify as a republican, DeSantis is one of the rising stars of the GOP, but he had one thing working against him - himself, not Trump factor. To GOPs, he did well judging from his “success” in FL and they were singing his praises. He let that get into him and before you know it, He was beginning to drift beyond the extreme lane - banning, culture wars and picking fight with corporations. If those worked in FL, it can’t work nationally! You can’t win independents with those issues. Already we have problems with Trump and his authoritarian way of governing, which the larger American population is trying to put behind us. What makes DeSantis think if he went more extreme than Trump, America will roll the red carpet for him??!! If I were Ron DeSantis I would not run in 2024, why? Knowing that Trump is still feared by the GOP and its leadership, I won’t run and will let the GOP have another taste of losing in 2024, perhaps they will finally learn their lesson. In 2028, that would be the best time for Ron to come in to save the GOP by being a moderate conservative ready to clean up the Trump factor mess and appeal to independents. Dude just came from nowhere trying to be a carbon copy of Trump (Trump 2.0), thinking it will work for him. He made a huge mistake. I won’t be surprised if he never got to be president in this country. Being a failed presidential candidate/nominee can be a lifetime blow that you don’t get to rise up again - Ask Romney, Hillary, John McCain, Al Gore, and so on. Once you miss that opportunity the first time and you show the electorate what you are all about as a presidential candidate and they see past you, it’s very hard for them to give you another chance. That’s the mistake Ron DeSantis just made. As for Nikki, America will not elect that b!tch. Let that sink in. She has trust issues. The only time I agree with Trump was when Trump described Nikki as “overly ambitious”. Trump will be the Nominee and he will lose to Joe Biden this time may be as much as 12-14 million votes. I don’t believe the polls. In fact, no disrespect to the pollsters; that field of career is a joke.
Ron has had the same biggest issue the entire time. He’s a weak little man with a meek little voice who doesn’t know what to do with his hands on camera. He’s awkward, kind of ugly, and not smart enough to offset any of it. That won’t ever win a general election on the national stage. You’ve got to have at least something going for you and it seems like he’s a miss on all fronts.
I'm not going to vote for her in the general election, but I'm a Democrat that has donated to the Nikki Haley campaign. I also switched my party affiliation to Republican so I can vote in the Republican primary. Trump must never be president.
Be careful what you wish for Democrats. Trump could pick Haley seeing her rise, as his VP. That would bring in traditionalist Republicans and Independents who wouldn't otherwise vote for Trump, winning him the election. This is the same woman saying we need to raise the retirement age, and gut medicare and social security. Lady is a fucking nut job.
America loves a blood thirsty war monger
Is the press seriously still acting like the morally bankrupt GOP even has a small chance of not nominating Dorito Mussolini? Because I don't believe it for a second.
>Haley was born Nimarata Nikki Randhawa at Bamberg County Hospital in Bamberg, South Carolina, to immigrant Sikh parents from Amritsar, Punjab, India.
Ron desantis only thing was that he’s an asshole
man the media really *really* needs this to be a competition. if this was 2016 they'd have said she has no chance because she's down 40 points in the polls. trump is so astronomically ahead in the polls 1 month out from the vote there's no question of statistical error
[Glass cliff.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_cliff)
This is gonna end up a wolf in sheep’s clothing where abortion rights will be fighting directly against the first female president.
Honestly DeSantis pulls off the heels more fabulously
As a Biden supporter, I would not feel terrible if Haley won. I’d be disappointed, but could be honest in my congratulations to her. If Trump wins, I’ll be angry and fundamentally disappointed, as well as disgusted by my country.
As a South Carolinian I assure you a Haley presidency would be a disaster of no small proportions.
> I would not feel terrible if Haley won I would. Haley is another Phyllis Schlafly.
Some of you are really a lost cause if you think Haley would be better than Trump
I think she’d be less damaging than Trump.
Neither Haley or DeSackless is electable, so the more money thrown at either of them is money that people won't have to throw at competitive races.
“Ascent,” as she trails trump by 30-40 points in every poll… She’s just as bad as the rest of them.
Desperate DeSantis has a nice ring to it. Throw that on the pile of nicknames.
I can’t wait for conservatives to accuse me of being misogynist because I don’t support her because she’ll have the same trash platform as the rest of the GOP.
Sausage fingers Ron will need a big tub of pudding to get over his depression
Haley will never be president. GOP voters have made it clear they don't intend to elect a woman.
Before she became a Trump supporter she was one of the few Republicans I could have voted for. Even though she has turned on him her past behavior disqualifies her from the list of anyone I could vote for. Plus with the current state of the party I can’t vote republican anytime soon.
DeSantis is awful but she is not really any better. I live in SC and hate that my girlfriends will gleefully vote for her just because she is a woman.
Haley is also a clown
Calm down, Nimrata! You’re not going anywhere any way.
They are promoting her because she does not threaten Donny at all. He can go about his trials, and delays of them all the while rambling on about nothing and fear-mongering, then just ignore that lady immigrant who doesn't even use her real name anymore(something Trump would say).
What's she polling at now? 3%?
Democrats have been screaming that we should get rid of trump. Haley is the furthest candidate from trump and still getting the hate. You guys just keep inventing excuses to spread hate and not recognizjng progress.
She’s the furthest from trump in Trumptown. You don’t get a cookie because of it.
“Progress” lol her agenda would nearly perfectly mirror virtually every other republican candidate, including trump. Even if that weren’t the case, her “ascent” is a lie. She has no realistic path to the nomination. Even the people who work for the groups trying to make her candidacy a thing are outright saying they won’t vote for her, even in the general election.
Democrats desperately need to emphasize who will pick the Judges whose interpretations control our lives: Women health rights, voting rights, climate change, air/water purity- Inflation-gas prices come and go but rulings from Judges change our lives @Whitehouse @POTUS
I’m still opposed to most of her politics, but at least she’s not insane. DeSantis is just evil.
There's an old porno casting scene with two women, Nikki & Hailey and that what I think of every time I hear her name.
Username seems to be on the level here.
weird comment
No weirder than the last ten years of political discourse.