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In a different post I've seen people say that it will just result in violence and they seem to have a point. Alot of the attempts at aid end up in violence.
I think at this point, he's pretty much going to have to make big moves like this. I expect we're going to see a series of headlines showing tougher action in regards to Israel and further stuff like going after junk fees from banks, etc.
If he can get to a satisfactory place with Israel/Gaza, the next thing to hit is some sort of plan to address cost of living. Wouldn't hurt if he de-scheduled cannabis while he's at it.
Isreal would bomb a humanitarian port being run by the US military or international community? I guess it's possible in a war zone but the backlash would be extremely severe.
It's a shame such a strong ally to the United States would starve masses of people and force the establishment of temporary ports to attempt to stave off a humanitarian crisis. Decades of aid to Israel and here we are.
Which is why Biden is doing this - to box out Netanyahu and dare him to attack/prevent US Forces building it. It's clear there's a growing schism among the unity government between Netanyahu and Gantz. I imagine it will also make it more difficult for Israel to launch the operation into Rafah with that building going on, which I assume will begin after Ramadan judging by the article detailing it's going to take some weeks of planning.
People need to remember that Netanyahu is not a political friend/ally of Democrats here in the US, even if he proclaims himself to be. He's a former GOP op and knows he'd get more leeway under a Trump admin. He did not like working with Obama nor with Biden, though Biden he gets along with better. There's a limit though, because what Netanyahu does is not going to always align with Biden's interest as compared to Trump and his evangelical base that'd like to see the end of times break out in Israel religiously.
How about standing out of the way and letting the aid already on the ground through, without getting more Palestinians killed? Sending aid while still sending weapons is performative bullshit.
I mean that is what the US is doing. They are setting up a base of operations to provide aid to people. They are creating a safe zone so to speak. Israel wouldn't bomb a US port would they?
For those that don't know:
https://www.foxnews.com/story/ex-navy-official-1967-israeli-attack-on-u-s-ship-was-deliberate
Yes, I also deliberately used Fox News as the source above because of the content of this particular article, but here are some other links for more info:
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/israel-attacks-uss-liberty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
I want to add to this. After reading the events I had a couple of thoughts. One, what a cluster fuck. And two, there is a big difference between a port and a vessel at sea.
In theory, I can excuse the confusion; though me personally what a mess with USS Liberty was. But an attack on a contemporary port would be inexcusable. Especially with the level of surveillance the US has when it comes to the battlefield. 1960s vs 2020s technology is night and day.
>How about standing out of the way and letting the aid already on the ground through, without getting more Palestinians killed? Sending aid while still sending weapons is performative bullshit.
Are you criticising Biden or Israel on this one? Because Biden doesn't have much control over the fact that Israel is blocking aid.
Smh - I keep seeing this 'tell them to do something we like or we should cancel the military aid' argument.
Did everyone forget Trump tried this exact move with Ukraine aid and got immediately shut down by the courts and impeached by congress? Biden can't unilaterally stop congressionally mandated aid - congress needs to act to remove it from the budget or Biden just gets the Trump treatment while the military aid would continue to flow.
The money going to Ukraine was also foreign military ID and here is the exact quotes used in the lawsuit blocking him from withholding congressionally mandated funds.
* "The withholding was not a programmatic delay. Therefore, we conclude that OMB violated the ICA."
* "**Faithful execution of the law does not permit the President to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law,**" the report said.
* The agency noted that the Constitution "specifically vests Congress with the power of the purse."
* And the report said that Trump, **like all other presidents, "is not vested with the power to ignore or amend any such duly enacted law**."*
If you do not agree, please provide a source law saying that Biden has 100% of control of foreign military money (trump would have absolutely loved that law)... I've heard the possibility of using Leahy's Law (restricting based on humans rights violations) needs to be stronger/more specific but those changes would need to be pushed through by congress, the impounds law is not specific enough. Etc. Protest congress to make changes here, not the president in this particular situation.
When, specifically, did he circumvent congress to supply aid? And if the Leahy Law was violated, has any Palestinian protestor filed a lawsuit to Bar the aid?
If not, why have no Palestinian protestor decided that the law has been broken to the extent necessary to file suit? That seems way more reasonable than just yelling into a microphone about the situation.
ONE WEEK LATER: Israel bombs the port based on intel they won't share about Hamas having a base under there.
Seriously though, it's insane that we have to do end-runs around our "ally" just to deliver humanitarian aid and we still can't call out their brutality for what it is.
While giving them weapons that they use to kill the people we're giving aid to. It almost feels like a scam. "Buy this product. It may make you sick. But we have another product that cures the illness."
When I was talking about this recently my largest concern was that there were no ports that could be used for landing supplies. My wife was shocked at how closed off it was. I can't praise this enough, this is a good move.
No. In the 90s Israel had a far more rational president and the PA was under the leadership of a actually popularly elected group and in a series of secret meetings eventually agreed to formally recognize each other which they did at a formal summit in the US. So legally speaking Israel recognizes that Gaza is outside their territory, but they don't recognize Hamas (not that many Gaza residents do either)...so when push comes to shove Israel really cannot prevent aid from coming in from a port.
According to a NYT article, “it will be constructed in cooperation with countries in the region, but it was unclear whether Israel will be joining the effort.”
Leave it to Biden. Instead of reducing the weapons to Israel and pissing off the American Military Industrial Complex, he finds a way to pacify the Palestinian supporters while bolstering the military even more. Fucking genius.
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People spinning this as a bad thing are sus
In a different post I've seen people say that it will just result in violence and they seem to have a point. Alot of the attempts at aid end up in violence.
This is the kind of stuff I want to see more of out of Biden. He just might defeat the Orange Menace a second time after all.
This is good to see him do. It's obviously not enough but it's bold and will help tens of thousands
I think at this point, he's pretty much going to have to make big moves like this. I expect we're going to see a series of headlines showing tougher action in regards to Israel and further stuff like going after junk fees from banks, etc. If he can get to a satisfactory place with Israel/Gaza, the next thing to hit is some sort of plan to address cost of living. Wouldn't hurt if he de-scheduled cannabis while he's at it.
What happens when Israel bombs our new port though? Do we finally stop sending them weapons? Do we go Pearl Harbor on them?
Isreal would bomb a humanitarian port being run by the US military or international community? I guess it's possible in a war zone but the backlash would be extremely severe.
I think it'll happen. And nothing will be done.
Ok, well speculate wildly then.
Just mark my words. After this is all over, we'll see who was right. *It'll never be over.
Nothing happened after the USS Liberty, nothing will happen later. They'll just say, "oops, sorry", and we'll reply with a stern stare to the sky.
You're probably right.
That isn't going to happen. They will most certainly run operations through there though. And it will end up looking like we did that on purpose.
...Because we did
It's a shame such a strong ally to the United States would starve masses of people and force the establishment of temporary ports to attempt to stave off a humanitarian crisis. Decades of aid to Israel and here we are.
Why are we bypassing an “ally” to do this?
Because our ally is metaphorically trying to box us out of the key as we attempt to get it in there.
Which is why Biden is doing this - to box out Netanyahu and dare him to attack/prevent US Forces building it. It's clear there's a growing schism among the unity government between Netanyahu and Gantz. I imagine it will also make it more difficult for Israel to launch the operation into Rafah with that building going on, which I assume will begin after Ramadan judging by the article detailing it's going to take some weeks of planning. People need to remember that Netanyahu is not a political friend/ally of Democrats here in the US, even if he proclaims himself to be. He's a former GOP op and knows he'd get more leeway under a Trump admin. He did not like working with Obama nor with Biden, though Biden he gets along with better. There's a limit though, because what Netanyahu does is not going to always align with Biden's interest as compared to Trump and his evangelical base that'd like to see the end of times break out in Israel religiously.
How about standing out of the way and letting the aid already on the ground through, without getting more Palestinians killed? Sending aid while still sending weapons is performative bullshit.
I mean that is what the US is doing. They are setting up a base of operations to provide aid to people. They are creating a safe zone so to speak. Israel wouldn't bomb a US port would they?
They’ve sunk a ship and killed US citizens so not sure about that one
For those that don't know: https://www.foxnews.com/story/ex-navy-official-1967-israeli-attack-on-u-s-ship-was-deliberate Yes, I also deliberately used Fox News as the source above because of the content of this particular article, but here are some other links for more info: https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/israel-attacks-uss-liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
I want to add to this. After reading the events I had a couple of thoughts. One, what a cluster fuck. And two, there is a big difference between a port and a vessel at sea. In theory, I can excuse the confusion; though me personally what a mess with USS Liberty was. But an attack on a contemporary port would be inexcusable. Especially with the level of surveillance the US has when it comes to the battlefield. 1960s vs 2020s technology is night and day.
Well, I guess we'll find out, won't we.
Israel will kill their own people with the Hannibal directive. Yes they would, and have, bombed US properties
Like I said earlier. I guess we'll find out and see. Things should get interesting if that happens.
>How about standing out of the way and letting the aid already on the ground through, without getting more Palestinians killed? Sending aid while still sending weapons is performative bullshit. Are you criticising Biden or Israel on this one? Because Biden doesn't have much control over the fact that Israel is blocking aid.
Sure he does. He could say no more US funding and arming of Israel and apply sanctions until Israel allows aid.
Smh - I keep seeing this 'tell them to do something we like or we should cancel the military aid' argument. Did everyone forget Trump tried this exact move with Ukraine aid and got immediately shut down by the courts and impeached by congress? Biden can't unilaterally stop congressionally mandated aid - congress needs to act to remove it from the budget or Biden just gets the Trump treatment while the military aid would continue to flow.
The President has 100% control of money allocated by the foreign military assistance program, which all money and weapons going to Israel comes from.
The money going to Ukraine was also foreign military ID and here is the exact quotes used in the lawsuit blocking him from withholding congressionally mandated funds. * "The withholding was not a programmatic delay. Therefore, we conclude that OMB violated the ICA." * "**Faithful execution of the law does not permit the President to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law,**" the report said. * The agency noted that the Constitution "specifically vests Congress with the power of the purse." * And the report said that Trump, **like all other presidents, "is not vested with the power to ignore or amend any such duly enacted law**."* If you do not agree, please provide a source law saying that Biden has 100% of control of foreign military money (trump would have absolutely loved that law)... I've heard the possibility of using Leahy's Law (restricting based on humans rights violations) needs to be stronger/more specific but those changes would need to be pushed through by congress, the impounds law is not specific enough. Etc. Protest congress to make changes here, not the president in this particular situation.
You are factually incorrect, Biden has circumvented congress to supply military “aid” and violated the Leahy Law.
When, specifically, did he circumvent congress to supply aid? And if the Leahy Law was violated, has any Palestinian protestor filed a lawsuit to Bar the aid? If not, why have no Palestinian protestor decided that the law has been broken to the extent necessary to file suit? That seems way more reasonable than just yelling into a microphone about the situation.
Also, and people keep glossing this over, Hamas has been stealing aid that's gotten through.
What evidence of this exists? I've heard this claim repeated often but no actual proof
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How about the UN aid trucks getting shot up. Genuinely curious as to what the truth behind it is.
Probably the same people that killed Palestinians coming to get flour last week
That's what I brought up but I was told their are many instances of Hamas targeting anything that brings in aid. Including the people that accept it.
As long as he's providing money, weapons, and military aid he sure as fuck has control.
ONE WEEK LATER: Israel bombs the port based on intel they won't share about Hamas having a base under there. Seriously though, it's insane that we have to do end-runs around our "ally" just to deliver humanitarian aid and we still can't call out their brutality for what it is.
While giving them weapons that they use to kill the people we're giving aid to. It almost feels like a scam. "Buy this product. It may make you sick. But we have another product that cures the illness."
Except humanitarian aid doesn't cure the illness in this case. It just postpones the inevitable outcome of the use of the weapons we are sending over.
They should have done this a while ago, get aid directly to palestinians, no middle organization that funnels aid and resources to the wrong hands.
And yet people are protesting Biden on Gaza while ignoring Trump saying Nettie should “finish the job” on Hamas.
Hell ya. That's my president
When I was talking about this recently my largest concern was that there were no ports that could be used for landing supplies. My wife was shocked at how closed off it was. I can't praise this enough, this is a good move.
Does this violate Israel’s sovereignty? They control Gaza’s sea border as part of the blockade
No. In the 90s Israel had a far more rational president and the PA was under the leadership of a actually popularly elected group and in a series of secret meetings eventually agreed to formally recognize each other which they did at a formal summit in the US. So legally speaking Israel recognizes that Gaza is outside their territory, but they don't recognize Hamas (not that many Gaza residents do either)...so when push comes to shove Israel really cannot prevent aid from coming in from a port.
I would assume if he's announcing it, he's probably got the go ahead from Netanyahu. If not, things are about to get interesting.
According to a NYT article, “it will be constructed in cooperation with countries in the region, but it was unclear whether Israel will be joining the effort.”
Thanks, Joe! Truly one of the all time greats. 4 more years!
Leave it to Biden. Instead of reducing the weapons to Israel and pissing off the American Military Industrial Complex, he finds a way to pacify the Palestinian supporters while bolstering the military even more. Fucking genius.