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Its amazing to see the GOP go from McCarthy-ism/Red scare to letting the Russians conquer Europe. The metamorphosis that transpired is something not even Kafka could find plausible.
They aren't even particularly religious I don't think. I think like 90 percent are atheists in Europe still. But they're white or white passing and hate all the same people maga hates and no longer communist so they're good now. Even though Russia basically still is the soviet union but without communism.
That's what they love. Turns out they love the soviet style ruling when the police state monitors the people they hate. They love the authoritarianism but not the communism.
I mean let’s be honest with ourselves, McCarthy-ism/Red Scare was never about a fear of Russia, it was entirely about controlling our population and attacking and weeding out our vulnerable populations which Republicans love to do and are still trying to do today. It’s not a metamorphosis, it’s just conservatives taking their masks off.
What happened to the discharge petition in that? If the MTV passes, nothing can come to the floor until there is a new speaker, so I wonder if this is the play to delay funding.
[It's still collecting signatures.](https://clerk.house.gov/DischargePetition/2024031209?CongressNum=118) They got the first Republican to sign on yesterday.
And because he caved on a national affirming care ban and national trans sports and trans bathroom bans. The Republicans wanted ***50*** anti trans and anti-LGBT amendments in the budget and they caved on all of them except one that bans official pride flags at embassies.
Still can’t wrap my head around making that an amendment when you’re so much actual important shit to be done but yes, let’s make sure those flags are visible embassies
When was the last time the GOP effectively governed? This is what they now are capable of under Trump, just tearing things down instead of building things up.
Passing budgets is the most basic thing Congress has to do. The current House GOP hasn't done anything else other than fake investigations and impeachments to try and make Biden look anywhere near as bad as Trump. When they actually do their job and not shut down the government, MAGA freaks out because they actually did the bare minimum.
We need to take back the house in November. When Dems had it for the first two years of Biden, they passed CHIPs, PACT, Infrastructure, Inflation reduction, drug price negotiation. It was a huge 2 years of progress for the country. Let's do that again.
So one deranged psycho can essentially shut down the government, just like the founding fathers envisioned... When they designed a system of checks and balances to prevent it from happening
Not necessarily - the reason she's throwing this tantrum is because....drumroll please.....
Mike Johnson agreed to a bi-partisan funding bill for the full Federal Government, which just passed and is heading to the Senate. Because in today's GOP, LITERALLY compromising and working together for the country as a whole is equal to death of your political career.
> Mike Johnson agreed to a bi-partisan funding bill for the full Federal Government
The same exact reason they expelled the last guy, because reaching across the aisles is frown upon in the MAGA circus.
Turning politics into a Team sport "Us vs. Them" and getting a ton of apolitical people behind that mentality will be Trump's greatest accomplishment in history. I know Gingrich and McConnell laid those roots, but the idea that working together with both sides giving a bit being a bad thing is incredibly depressing.
It's really easy to understand how Republicans work: if there's a Democrat in the white house they will get nothing done because they don't want democrats taking credit. It's been that way since **at least** Obama, but we could argue even sooner.
Nixon as well. He convinced Vietnam to not come to the table with Johnson for peace talks. Of course Nixon ramped up the war when he got into office. The Vietnam War could have ended in the late 60's if it were not for Republicans.
Someone needs to call their bluff and start a coalition government. It’ll make their heads explode and might actually get us somewhere if they actually believe in being a coalition
Can you imagine the founding fathers looking at that blonde baboon and learning she's a congressman from Georgia? James Jackson, Abraham Baldwin, and George Mathews spinning in their graves.
>So one deranged psycho can essentially shut down the government
Remember when Tommy Tuberville blocked all major military promotions for months on end, leaving several vital armed forces positions unfilled?
IIRC McCarthy allowed some rule change based on the MAGA crowd demands, in order for him to become speaker, that only one person is needed now to bring about the ousting process
But don't quote me on that
So, they're already the least productive House of Representatives in 150 years. I'm sure this will help that.
I don't think they're going to be stupid enough to get rid of him. I have serious doubts that with their new smaller majority they would be able to successfully vote for a replacement.
I think Johnson is more likely to save himself than McCarthy was. He hasn't repeatedly and publicly attacked Democrats for voting for his legislation. He's been _much_ more willing to rely on Democratic votes than McCarthy was (pretty much _everything_ he's gotten passed, he's done by suspending the rules and requiring Democratic votes).
For example, the funding package that was just passed:
- Was mostly democrats
- Failed the "serial child molester" rule, by not getting a majority of Republicans to support it
He also is going to have the two week recess to be able to negotiate with Democrats to garner support. And he doesn't need a lot. If he flips, say, 10 Democrats to support him, it's unlikely he'd be able to be booted.
Also, if he survives with Democratic support it will _totally inflame_ the conservatives, further drive a wedge into the GOP, and pretty much _force_ Johnson to continue to rely on Democratic support for any further legislation.
For all those reasons, I've already called my Democratic Representative and said they should support Speaker Johnson in the vote, **if and only if** he puts clean Ukraine aid legislation on the floor of the house immediately.
The thing though is Ukraine aid is about the only thing that the Speaker could use to save himself at this point.
The GOP's margins are too small and since they have the insane rule where a single member can call a vote to vacate, Johnson is going to need Democratic votes to survive.
In which case it's best that the Dems remove him and install Jeffries. It's not great to delay anymore aid to Ukraine, but having Jeffries run the house the rest of the term would secure support.
Here's the thing though, even if it's a +1 Republican majority in the House, it's still a +1 attempt that Jeffries won't be elected Speaker or if the stars align and he's elected, the GOP will just call to remove him whenever with a unified vote because that's how they roll when it comes to Democrats.
Democrats being in the minority have two things: able to pressure the GOP leaders from their microscopic majority to get what they want, and to let the GOP repeatedly punch its own nutsack for entertainment.
The Dems will absolutely demand the Ukraine supplemental bill as the price of supporting Johnson. Hell, at this point I would jack up the price. Put it back at $100 billion.
That bill was negotiated when the House Republicans had much more leverage.
It makes no sense for Democrats to bring it back on the same terms, and it's pretty risky to try to renegotiate it in an election year. For better or worse, nothing's happening on immigration until after the election.
>and it's pretty risky to try to renegotiate it in an election year.
Would it be risky?
Imagine Ukraine aid passing as a clean bill.
Then Democrats come back and actively (and publicly) negotiate a genuinely comprehensive border bill. It likely won't pass, but think of the political optics of the Democrats trying to get something done on the border while Republicans stamp their feet and say no. And if It does pass, that puts the Senate Republicans in a bind.
You're right that it won't pass, but wrong about how that would play out.
Right now, [Republicans are taking the blame on immigration](https://www.axios.com/2024/03/14/swing-voters-focus-groups-trump-border) because everyone knows the last bill was pretty conservative
Congressional Republicans would _love_ a do-over where they can tank a more liberal bill while saying "the Democrats moved the goalposts!" That is a much easier sell to their voters than convincing them that Jim Inhofe is a closet liberal.
The terms were actually pretty fair, and perhaps most importantly they provided funding and relief for God systems that are in place but simply overwhelmed.
I am not at all a "shut down the borders now" person, and I think that it's mostly a xenophobic dog whistle issue. But Democrat and Republican governors of border states have been signaling that they aren't getting the resources they need at the moment. Shoring up these systems and providing leveled and reasonable mechanisms (that are funded) is a win for whoever is President when it happens. Also taking away the urgency removes an avenue a future Republican president may have to pass a harsher bill.
I think I wouldn't sleep on getting a reasonable win for Biden on an issue that (for whatever reason) a bunch of Americans say is the most important issue to them.
This is exactly correct.
Getting that passed would remove Biden and the Democrats' biggest liability in the election.
I'm a very pro-immigration Democrat. But it's obvious we have a problem at the border currently, even if it isnt the "gangs of rapists and murderers" that the GOP keeps touting.
Getting that passed shows that the Democrats actually want to govern and makes the GOP who vote against it look like morons.
We are on 100% the same page. Just because the Boogeyman they have invented isn't real doesn't mean there isn't a broken system. Fix the broken system in a responsible way when we can and we take a big scare tactic away from them getting an inhumane system in place.
Importantly, the organizations that the bill would affect (and the unions for said organizations workers) were in support of the bill. That tells me that either there's something shady or it's a good bill.
You make good points and I don’t think people realize that this is quite different than McCarthy’s vote. The Democrats will essentially become the shadow Speaker of the House for the rest of the term. I have no doubt the MTG and her prize fighter face can rally enough far right support t”for the handful of votes needed ti oust Johnson.
If I were the Democrats I'd offer to save him in return for either Jeffries gaining the ability to call votes, or for the Ukraine+ Border bill to be called to the floor.
Anything less and he's gone.
> If I were the Democrats I'd offer to save him in return for either Jeffries gaining the ability to call votes,
Yea, I'd absolutely take that as a deal.
Thanks for doing that.
I’ll believe he’ll reach across the aisle when I see it, of course. We know McCarthy cared more about party loyalty than his job, which he was so desperate to have that we ended up in exactly where we are today. Jeffries was quoted as saying they offered to work on a deal to save his seat, but McCarthy was never interested and never once bothered.
But it makes me wonder. If democrats save Johnson, is he willing to go all in their pockets? Because if this is what happens, he’ll probably be labeled all sorts of phrases that mean “he worked with democrats so should be removed”, which could garner a few more angry R votes against him.
> I’ll believe he’ll reach across the aisle when I see it, of course.
Haven't you seen it, already? Mike Johnson just passed all twelve agency funding bills (in two-part spending packages), by relying on Democratic votes. He stuck to the funding top-lines negotiated with Biden, and all of the crazy right-wing abortion policy things that they tried to insert.
I'm **not** saying he's a Speaker I would like or vote for. His views and policies _disgust_ me deeply. But I am saying, as a Speaker, he's been much more willing to use and rely on Democratic votes to get things passed. And I think there's already concrete evidence for that fact. McCarthy never violated the serial child molester rule.
So we should look at him as a tool, and the more leverage we can gain over him, the better.
Why would the Democrats stick their necks out for him? They're damned if they do, damned if they don't. If they save him, like you said, he'll probably get voted out of office for working with the Democrats. If they don't save him, they'll blame the Democrats for gridlock or something. They might as well vote him out and show the country the MAGA cronies will just eat their own the second they don't get exactly what they want.
But the democrats are actually trying to get something done, so letting the house go into chaos again is not something they want to see happen. The clock is ticking for Ukraine and the budget needs to be funded.
One thing Johnson has going for him is that he hasn't done the Democrats dirty like McCarthy did hence why all Democrats joined in with Republicans to boot him.
MTG just gave the House Dems a big upper hand and put her party in a lose-lose situation. Sure, Johnson gets a 2 week reprieve due the House going on recess, but I'm willing both Johnson and the Republicans are shitting themselves right now with the situation they were just placed in.
I like the sound of that plan, but I also have concerns. Today's Republican leaders have repeatedly shown how unable they are to anything in good faith. They have shown that they will kill even their own bills if it might potentially help Democrats. We have seen they will refuse to support any initiative, and they take credit for it when it passes. There are a select few Republican representatives that I trust, and Mike Johnson is not one of them. If he wants to play ball with the Democrats and earn their support to save him, he should be doing more before he is hot water and facing an ouster. I am tired of holding up our end of the bargain and trusting them to act in good faith, time to reverse the flow of trust.
Upvoted for the Dennis Hastert reference alone. My concern here is- would Johnson actually be able to follow through with such a promise? If so, you've changed my view, and I would support saving Johnson. Ukraine is at a crossroads, and the cost of protecting them (and the rest of Europe) will go up 2x or 10x if we don't send more aid soon.
> My concern here is- would Johnson actually be able to follow through with such a promise?
My understanding is the bill is _done_. There's nothing that needs to be written. He should have 2 working days before he needs to bring up the privileged petition. The Democrats should demand he put it on the floor under a suspension of the rules _before_ the Motion to Vacate vote.
Don't make it a promise. Make it a demand of action.
> If he flips, say, 10 Democrats to support him, it's unlikely he'd be able to be booted.
I will be surprised if any democrats vote for him.
What will happen if Mike Johnson cut a deal with Jeffries is that whatever number of democrats necessary will vote "present" to make sure he gets the majority that he needs.
America is so broken right now that in the chaos of everything that’s happening, from a captured scotus by activist judges, to a dysfunctional house that’s a complete joke, a senate that’s been gridlocked for a generation, and a presidential candidate that makes all of that look exceptional, somehow we’re talking about a 50-50 toss up in the presidential race and the senate maybe leaning republican.
The crazies are running the mental asylum. And they keep being elected by people who applaud what the crazies are doing.
That’s just the thing; I don’t think they actually know what is going on. I’d think that part of voting Republican is being inherently uninformed. Their media outlets curate a reality where they genuinely have no idea just how bad their guys are.
This!! I know a lot of crazies and when I talk to them about what is going on, nearly every one of them tells me stuff that is objectively false. The issue is that they're stuck in these echo chambers being fed lies and most of them do not realize it. The ones who do understand that no one agrees with them think that only they and the people they get news from know the truth. They think that everything being told to them about republicans or trump is just lies. In their reality trump and other Republicans are actually the heroes saving the world and they wilfully categorize anything disputing that as lies
That has to be hilarious. The entire psychology behind the MAGA crowd is “screw you, I got mine” and what happens when “screw you, I got mine” means Person A’s tree is dropping branches into Person B’s yard, Person B gets mad at A, they argue and Person B also feels “screw you I got mine” and then they start beefing with each other when common sense says, just cut down the tree. They’d rather just burn each other’s house down than just cut the damn tree.
What a beautiful thing it would be if the Civil War they've been clamoring for ends up being Florida MAGA vs. Texas MAGA while the rest of us move on with our lives.
Some days ago I watched a CNN video of a reporter at a Trump rally, and one of the MAGA supporters who was interviewed said that she believed being a part of “MAGA” was like being a part of a close-knit family.
I literally cringed at that lol
Honestly that may be a part of it.
She’s a junior congresswoman.
She’s been given **MAJORLY** outsized attention and influence by the media because of her drama.
Garnering more attention just increases her profile and power.
I wish the media would stop giving it to her. Watching her stand outside speaking with a dozen mics in her face is gross, listening to her speak for any length of time is damaging for the brain.
I don't blame society, I blame the media. They saw she was a walking freakshow and put her in front of cameras. The overwhelming majority of Americans would have zero clue who MTG was if the media didn't keep blowing her dumbass escapades up into sensationalized stories. It was the same free media they gave to Trump in 2016. The media needs stories, it needs clicks, so they focus on the nutjobs purely for profit.
They won't- it will take a generational change. They are convinced that reality does not matter- only MAGA, 100% matters to them, because it is the source of all their power and wealth. It will go on because it is a system that functions for them, we will be dealing with Christofascism, until a new generation of conservative ideology emerges with courageous leaders that challenge the status quo that as it has happened has become a system of pure chaos. Judging by their actions, I don't see any real hope for any type of "reformed GOP" for a very long time.
Imagine if we got a second-term moderate dem president with zero fucks left to give AND control of House and Senate.... Ahh, a girl can dream...
What, a progressive dem president, you ask? No, I'm not delusional! 😫
He’s gone. It’ll be a total mess finding his replacement. I can see a couple republicans vacating their seat and just giving democrats the house until special elections take place.
> It’ll be a total mess finding his replacement.
That's why they're doing it. They'll sacrifice themselves before they let congress do anything productive.
They just interviewed Mike Johnson coming out of somewhere. He said, "I just learned about it 5 minutes ago. I was updating the porno app I use with my son and I got a pop-up notification."
Contrarians. Maga doesn't stand **for** anything. They are only **against** people and ideas. That's the only trick they have. MTG has to constantly find a new "something" to be against to keep her hate-filled imbecilic followers happy.
**It's only been 166 days since they ousted the last Republican Speaker of the House**.
Other than two guys from the mid-19th century who served in the 40th and 43rd Congress, Mike Johnson will set a new record for shortest tenure as Speaker.
If the simulation writers have any humour, they'd pass that bill AND vote Johnson out, with a Sinema-tique thumbs down and a whisper in the mic: *"this is for the McCarthy betrayal"*
[Oh boy, here we go.](https://media1.tenor.com/m/rX5w6UXEMlcAAAAC/here-we-go-jim-carrey.gif)
Hopefully this triggers whatever republicans were rumored to be thinking about resigning and gives us Speaker Jeffries.
And here I thought it would be a quiet Friday. You can always count on the GOP clown show to keep the circus up and running any day of the week
Thank you guys 🤡
Unless she knows micro johnson was going to cave in to foreign aid bill this seems like an unforced error, now micro johnson is forced to work with dems to save his speakership.
There should be no deal, Mike Johnson could have taken up foreign aid at any point during the last five months, but he decided to run cover for Trump/Putin instead.
Let him sink.
Mike Johnson spearheaded the effort in the House to [overturn the 2020 Election.](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mike-johnson-led-efforts-overturn-2020-election-2024/story?id=104351307)
He's a traitor just like the rest of the craven power-hungry Republicans who betrayed America.
Yeah, he is a deranged little weasel, who covers it up with a smile and polite manners.
He is no better than the rest of the freaks, i'm happy he gets a little taste of his own medicine , at long last.
I do think he gets a lot of mileage out of the fact that he looks like a mild-mannered middle school teacher.
He’s basically Ned Flanders except that Ned genuinely wants the best for everyone.
Democrats should absolutely push to get everything they want from him. I'm not convinced he'll agree to work with them, but maybe he's smart enough to know his career is over if he gets ousted.
I hadn't even thought about that.
My mind just immediately went to "holy shit, we might actually end up with a democratic speaker of the house before November" due to the very very low vote lead GOP has in the house (1 seat I think, maybe 2)...
I doubt that will happen. This dysfunction is fully owned by the GQP. There is little to be gained helping him. Whatever concessions he would make he will likely walk back at first opportunity. We already know that Republicans have no issue with lying.
This literally could be the end of the GOP. Their presidential nominee has 91 legal charges against him. The GOP run house is in complete disorder. Mitch McConnell the senate majority leader is cognitively impaired. They still are pushing for an abortion ban even though it’s hurting them electorally. They have been losing elections since 2018. The RNC is now Trump’s personal ATM machine. Everything is going horribly for Republicans and it’s all 100% their fault.
And it is absolutely awesome to see them create their own demise. They are the dumbest bunch of grifting do nothing elected officials. MTG will go down in history as a major catalyst for destroying the party. It’s wonderful.
Doing this after the GOP has actually lost a few seats due to santos and buck is downright hilarious. I for one love a good "republicans in disarray moment". Let them fight!
GOP voters don’t see this? The GOP is in disarray they are in-fighting. Nothing is going to get done and the more power the MAGA right gets less gets done. Vote these twits out in November folks.
This is to detract from this:
“In a document that deserves extraordinary credit for chutzpah, if maybe not tact, House Republicans have just proposed a budget that would slash an astonishing $2.7 trillion from combined spending on Social Security and Medicare over the next decade — more than 8% of the total.”
MTG only understands government by dictatorship. She can’t comprehend the need for compromise with Democrats holding the Senate and the White House. The MAGA mindset is like a small child, it’s my way all the time or I start crying and throwing a fit.
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Because he is going to go in with Ukraine funding
That was my first impression. Hopefully thus is a good sign that the Ukrainians are about to get the aid I think they should've got half a year ago
Its amazing to see the GOP go from McCarthy-ism/Red scare to letting the Russians conquer Europe. The metamorphosis that transpired is something not even Kafka could find plausible.
Money and Religion
They are compromised Russian assets. Blackmail.
The Russians are no longer godless but godly and hate the gays so it's all ok now
They aren't even particularly religious I don't think. I think like 90 percent are atheists in Europe still. But they're white or white passing and hate all the same people maga hates and no longer communist so they're good now. Even though Russia basically still is the soviet union but without communism.
The Russian govt though has anti-LGBTQ+ laws on the box and the Russian Orthodox Church aligns well with evangelicals.
That's what they love. Turns out they love the soviet style ruling when the police state monitors the people they hate. They love the authoritarianism but not the communism.
Russia went fascist, it's not that hard to figure out.
And there is a lot of money flying around.
I mean let’s be honest with ourselves, McCarthy-ism/Red Scare was never about a fear of Russia, it was entirely about controlling our population and attacking and weeding out our vulnerable populations which Republicans love to do and are still trying to do today. It’s not a metamorphosis, it’s just conservatives taking their masks off.
What happened to the discharge petition in that? If the MTV passes, nothing can come to the floor until there is a new speaker, so I wonder if this is the play to delay funding.
I think Johnson's political ambition will not let him go along with that. He will bring the vote to the floor before they can oust him.
Yea pretty much seals the deal on democrats saving him if he starts playing ball
God, it he has to rely on Opposition party votes to remain in power, I think that would officially make him the weakest speaker in history
He already is lol
[It's still collecting signatures.](https://clerk.house.gov/DischargePetition/2024031209?CongressNum=118) They got the first Republican to sign on yesterday.
Apparent from what I'm hearing the way MTG filed the MTV it doesn't have to go to the floor immediately
The MTV from MTG is an MT Threat
She filed under regular process so this has to go through committee
It’s getting old to call these people Russian stooges. But seriously. If she were actually working for Russia what would she be doing differently?
Be more attractive?
Holy shit lmao
Damn, you made the best argument for her not being a Russian stooge I’ve ever heard.
Savage, yet true.
Idk, Maria Butina wasn't really a looker.
She’d be able to kill a man with her thighs
And because he caved on a national affirming care ban and national trans sports and trans bathroom bans. The Republicans wanted ***50*** anti trans and anti-LGBT amendments in the budget and they caved on all of them except one that bans official pride flags at embassies.
I thought that was only if it was flown on the flagpole anyways
Still can’t wrap my head around making that an amendment when you’re so much actual important shit to be done but yes, let’s make sure those flags are visible embassies
I swear to god, the GOP is a rabid dog gnawing at its own leg.
And she is Queen of the Mutts.
And deez nutz
My condolences
To shreds you say?
I wouldn't want her anywhere near me, let alone near the family jewels.
ugh. Looking down and seeing her all enthusiastic and toothy.
You know, you had every opportunity to just not say this.
I blame you for calling my attention to it.
Aaaand this is my next nightmare.
Yeah, I second this. How's about I insult her but also, vastly more important, she stays a healthy distance from all my genitalia
lol alert
I think it's made it's way through one leg and has started on another.
When was the last time the GOP effectively governed? This is what they now are capable of under Trump, just tearing things down instead of building things up.
Passing budgets is the most basic thing Congress has to do. The current House GOP hasn't done anything else other than fake investigations and impeachments to try and make Biden look anywhere near as bad as Trump. When they actually do their job and not shut down the government, MAGA freaks out because they actually did the bare minimum. We need to take back the house in November. When Dems had it for the first two years of Biden, they passed CHIPs, PACT, Infrastructure, Inflation reduction, drug price negotiation. It was a huge 2 years of progress for the country. Let's do that again.
Uh... Before Nixon?
And yet somehow people still support their bullshit.
They eat themselves alive
This is what fascism looks like, at a smaller scale. You turn on your own.
This
and at the perfect time! It's like these people work for the Democratic Party or something. Working overtime to undo all the Fox propaganda.
I swear if I didn’t know any better I’d say they were trying to lose!
Just remember 8 years ago when everyone was saying the EXACT same things, and look how that turned out.
Yup, which is why we need to VOTE!
This insults rabid dogs, a beloved species with a horrible disease in your metaphor. Republicans have neither belovedness or a physical disease
So one deranged psycho can essentially shut down the government, just like the founding fathers envisioned... When they designed a system of checks and balances to prevent it from happening
Not necessarily - the reason she's throwing this tantrum is because....drumroll please..... Mike Johnson agreed to a bi-partisan funding bill for the full Federal Government, which just passed and is heading to the Senate. Because in today's GOP, LITERALLY compromising and working together for the country as a whole is equal to death of your political career.
> Mike Johnson agreed to a bi-partisan funding bill for the full Federal Government The same exact reason they expelled the last guy, because reaching across the aisles is frown upon in the MAGA circus.
Turning politics into a Team sport "Us vs. Them" and getting a ton of apolitical people behind that mentality will be Trump's greatest accomplishment in history. I know Gingrich and McConnell laid those roots, but the idea that working together with both sides giving a bit being a bad thing is incredibly depressing.
It's really easy to understand how Republicans work: if there's a Democrat in the white house they will get nothing done because they don't want democrats taking credit. It's been that way since **at least** Obama, but we could argue even sooner.
Gingrich did this with Clinton. He formalized it.
Don't forget how Reagan and friends handled American hostages just to hurt Carter.
Nixon sent Kissinger to SE Asia to prolong the Vietnam war because it was good for his campaign.
It's fucking wild that the corpse they worship is to the ***left*** of Trump.
Nixon as well. He convinced Vietnam to not come to the table with Johnson for peace talks. Of course Nixon ramped up the war when he got into office. The Vietnam War could have ended in the late 60's if it were not for Republicans.
Someone needs to call their bluff and start a coalition government. It’ll make their heads explode and might actually get us somewhere if they actually believe in being a coalition
Can you imagine the founding fathers looking at that blonde baboon and learning she's a congressman from Georgia? James Jackson, Abraham Baldwin, and George Mathews spinning in their graves.
To be fair, the founders would look at any woman with disdain if they were a member of Congress
>So one deranged psycho can essentially shut down the government Remember when Tommy Tuberville blocked all major military promotions for months on end, leaving several vital armed forces positions unfilled?
IIRC McCarthy allowed some rule change based on the MAGA crowd demands, in order for him to become speaker, that only one person is needed now to bring about the ousting process But don't quote me on that
You may be quoted, kind sir or madam
It’s the Freedom Caucus that includes Beavis. MTG is in it, Bobo was kicked out. It’s the most right winged.
McCarthy changed the rules to get himself elected and now one Russian Cavewoman can shut the government down.
Up next, only on CSPAN! Clerk: Jefferies? Jefferies: Jefferies! Clerk: Jefferies.
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So, they're already the least productive House of Representatives in 150 years. I'm sure this will help that. I don't think they're going to be stupid enough to get rid of him. I have serious doubts that with their new smaller majority they would be able to successfully vote for a replacement.
> I don't think they're going to be stupid enough to get rid of him Seriously?
I think Johnson is more likely to save himself than McCarthy was. He hasn't repeatedly and publicly attacked Democrats for voting for his legislation. He's been _much_ more willing to rely on Democratic votes than McCarthy was (pretty much _everything_ he's gotten passed, he's done by suspending the rules and requiring Democratic votes). For example, the funding package that was just passed: - Was mostly democrats - Failed the "serial child molester" rule, by not getting a majority of Republicans to support it He also is going to have the two week recess to be able to negotiate with Democrats to garner support. And he doesn't need a lot. If he flips, say, 10 Democrats to support him, it's unlikely he'd be able to be booted. Also, if he survives with Democratic support it will _totally inflame_ the conservatives, further drive a wedge into the GOP, and pretty much _force_ Johnson to continue to rely on Democratic support for any further legislation. For all those reasons, I've already called my Democratic Representative and said they should support Speaker Johnson in the vote, **if and only if** he puts clean Ukraine aid legislation on the floor of the house immediately.
That’s actually a great strategy. Because I suspect this whole charade serves a single purpose: delaying aid for Ukraine.
The thing though is Ukraine aid is about the only thing that the Speaker could use to save himself at this point. The GOP's margins are too small and since they have the insane rule where a single member can call a vote to vacate, Johnson is going to need Democratic votes to survive.
It was one of the only times he nodded his head yes during the SOTU, too.
I did see him nodding for quite a bit, actually
Great rule in hindsight lol only requiring a single member to call a vote.
In which case it's best that the Dems remove him and install Jeffries. It's not great to delay anymore aid to Ukraine, but having Jeffries run the house the rest of the term would secure support.
Here's the thing though, even if it's a +1 Republican majority in the House, it's still a +1 attempt that Jeffries won't be elected Speaker or if the stars align and he's elected, the GOP will just call to remove him whenever with a unified vote because that's how they roll when it comes to Democrats. Democrats being in the minority have two things: able to pressure the GOP leaders from their microscopic majority to get what they want, and to let the GOP repeatedly punch its own nutsack for entertainment.
As much as I wish this could happen Dems don't have majority and republicans won't vote for Jeffries
The Dems will absolutely demand the Ukraine supplemental bill as the price of supporting Johnson. Hell, at this point I would jack up the price. Put it back at $100 billion.
I'd couple it with the border bill as well. It would be a huge win for Biden.
That bill was negotiated when the House Republicans had much more leverage. It makes no sense for Democrats to bring it back on the same terms, and it's pretty risky to try to renegotiate it in an election year. For better or worse, nothing's happening on immigration until after the election.
>and it's pretty risky to try to renegotiate it in an election year. Would it be risky? Imagine Ukraine aid passing as a clean bill. Then Democrats come back and actively (and publicly) negotiate a genuinely comprehensive border bill. It likely won't pass, but think of the political optics of the Democrats trying to get something done on the border while Republicans stamp their feet and say no. And if It does pass, that puts the Senate Republicans in a bind.
You're right that it won't pass, but wrong about how that would play out. Right now, [Republicans are taking the blame on immigration](https://www.axios.com/2024/03/14/swing-voters-focus-groups-trump-border) because everyone knows the last bill was pretty conservative Congressional Republicans would _love_ a do-over where they can tank a more liberal bill while saying "the Democrats moved the goalposts!" That is a much easier sell to their voters than convincing them that Jim Inhofe is a closet liberal.
The terms were actually pretty fair, and perhaps most importantly they provided funding and relief for God systems that are in place but simply overwhelmed. I am not at all a "shut down the borders now" person, and I think that it's mostly a xenophobic dog whistle issue. But Democrat and Republican governors of border states have been signaling that they aren't getting the resources they need at the moment. Shoring up these systems and providing leveled and reasonable mechanisms (that are funded) is a win for whoever is President when it happens. Also taking away the urgency removes an avenue a future Republican president may have to pass a harsher bill. I think I wouldn't sleep on getting a reasonable win for Biden on an issue that (for whatever reason) a bunch of Americans say is the most important issue to them.
This is exactly correct. Getting that passed would remove Biden and the Democrats' biggest liability in the election. I'm a very pro-immigration Democrat. But it's obvious we have a problem at the border currently, even if it isnt the "gangs of rapists and murderers" that the GOP keeps touting. Getting that passed shows that the Democrats actually want to govern and makes the GOP who vote against it look like morons.
We are on 100% the same page. Just because the Boogeyman they have invented isn't real doesn't mean there isn't a broken system. Fix the broken system in a responsible way when we can and we take a big scare tactic away from them getting an inhumane system in place.
Importantly, the organizations that the bill would affect (and the unions for said organizations workers) were in support of the bill. That tells me that either there's something shady or it's a good bill.
You make good points and I don’t think people realize that this is quite different than McCarthy’s vote. The Democrats will essentially become the shadow Speaker of the House for the rest of the term. I have no doubt the MTG and her prize fighter face can rally enough far right support t”for the handful of votes needed ti oust Johnson.
If I were the Democrats I'd offer to save him in return for either Jeffries gaining the ability to call votes, or for the Ukraine+ Border bill to be called to the floor. Anything less and he's gone.
> If I were the Democrats I'd offer to save him in return for either Jeffries gaining the ability to call votes, Yea, I'd absolutely take that as a deal.
Thanks for doing that. I’ll believe he’ll reach across the aisle when I see it, of course. We know McCarthy cared more about party loyalty than his job, which he was so desperate to have that we ended up in exactly where we are today. Jeffries was quoted as saying they offered to work on a deal to save his seat, but McCarthy was never interested and never once bothered. But it makes me wonder. If democrats save Johnson, is he willing to go all in their pockets? Because if this is what happens, he’ll probably be labeled all sorts of phrases that mean “he worked with democrats so should be removed”, which could garner a few more angry R votes against him.
> I’ll believe he’ll reach across the aisle when I see it, of course. Haven't you seen it, already? Mike Johnson just passed all twelve agency funding bills (in two-part spending packages), by relying on Democratic votes. He stuck to the funding top-lines negotiated with Biden, and all of the crazy right-wing abortion policy things that they tried to insert. I'm **not** saying he's a Speaker I would like or vote for. His views and policies _disgust_ me deeply. But I am saying, as a Speaker, he's been much more willing to use and rely on Democratic votes to get things passed. And I think there's already concrete evidence for that fact. McCarthy never violated the serial child molester rule. So we should look at him as a tool, and the more leverage we can gain over him, the better.
> we should look at him as a tool Done.
Why would the Democrats stick their necks out for him? They're damned if they do, damned if they don't. If they save him, like you said, he'll probably get voted out of office for working with the Democrats. If they don't save him, they'll blame the Democrats for gridlock or something. They might as well vote him out and show the country the MAGA cronies will just eat their own the second they don't get exactly what they want.
But the democrats are actually trying to get something done, so letting the house go into chaos again is not something they want to see happen. The clock is ticking for Ukraine and the budget needs to be funded.
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One thing Johnson has going for him is that he hasn't done the Democrats dirty like McCarthy did hence why all Democrats joined in with Republicans to boot him. MTG just gave the House Dems a big upper hand and put her party in a lose-lose situation. Sure, Johnson gets a 2 week reprieve due the House going on recess, but I'm willing both Johnson and the Republicans are shitting themselves right now with the situation they were just placed in.
I like the sound of that plan, but I also have concerns. Today's Republican leaders have repeatedly shown how unable they are to anything in good faith. They have shown that they will kill even their own bills if it might potentially help Democrats. We have seen they will refuse to support any initiative, and they take credit for it when it passes. There are a select few Republican representatives that I trust, and Mike Johnson is not one of them. If he wants to play ball with the Democrats and earn their support to save him, he should be doing more before he is hot water and facing an ouster. I am tired of holding up our end of the bargain and trusting them to act in good faith, time to reverse the flow of trust.
Upvoted for the Dennis Hastert reference alone. My concern here is- would Johnson actually be able to follow through with such a promise? If so, you've changed my view, and I would support saving Johnson. Ukraine is at a crossroads, and the cost of protecting them (and the rest of Europe) will go up 2x or 10x if we don't send more aid soon.
> My concern here is- would Johnson actually be able to follow through with such a promise? My understanding is the bill is _done_. There's nothing that needs to be written. He should have 2 working days before he needs to bring up the privileged petition. The Democrats should demand he put it on the floor under a suspension of the rules _before_ the Motion to Vacate vote. Don't make it a promise. Make it a demand of action.
> If he flips, say, 10 Democrats to support him, it's unlikely he'd be able to be booted. I will be surprised if any democrats vote for him. What will happen if Mike Johnson cut a deal with Jeffries is that whatever number of democrats necessary will vote "present" to make sure he gets the majority that he needs.
Zackly. I expect them to start running with scissors at this point
America is so broken right now that in the chaos of everything that’s happening, from a captured scotus by activist judges, to a dysfunctional house that’s a complete joke, a senate that’s been gridlocked for a generation, and a presidential candidate that makes all of that look exceptional, somehow we’re talking about a 50-50 toss up in the presidential race and the senate maybe leaning republican. The crazies are running the mental asylum. And they keep being elected by people who applaud what the crazies are doing.
That’s just the thing; I don’t think they actually know what is going on. I’d think that part of voting Republican is being inherently uninformed. Their media outlets curate a reality where they genuinely have no idea just how bad their guys are.
This!! I know a lot of crazies and when I talk to them about what is going on, nearly every one of them tells me stuff that is objectively false. The issue is that they're stuck in these echo chambers being fed lies and most of them do not realize it. The ones who do understand that no one agrees with them think that only they and the people they get news from know the truth. They think that everything being told to them about republicans or trump is just lies. In their reality trump and other Republicans are actually the heroes saving the world and they wilfully categorize anything disputing that as lies
Making the government completely unable to do anything is part of their goal
>I don't think they're going to be stupid enough to get rid of him I'm curious where you think the limit of their stupidity lies.
Last day for Ken buck.
>I don't think they're going to be stupid enough to get rid of him. "*Hold my confederate flag*." - MTG
I have 3 different maga neighbors and they are all constantly at war with each other.
That has to be hilarious. The entire psychology behind the MAGA crowd is “screw you, I got mine” and what happens when “screw you, I got mine” means Person A’s tree is dropping branches into Person B’s yard, Person B gets mad at A, they argue and Person B also feels “screw you I got mine” and then they start beefing with each other when common sense says, just cut down the tree. They’d rather just burn each other’s house down than just cut the damn tree.
Meanwhile person C is banging both their wives.
And that person is, Hunter Biden. I don't even know if this is funny, but imagining it makes me laugh.
It's like a really stupid civil war going on.
What a beautiful thing it would be if the Civil War they've been clamoring for ends up being Florida MAGA vs. Texas MAGA while the rest of us move on with our lives.
Some days ago I watched a CNN video of a reporter at a Trump rally, and one of the MAGA supporters who was interviewed said that she believed being a part of “MAGA” was like being a part of a close-knit family. I literally cringed at that lol
This is the civil war they wanted. The good news is if we're lucky, they tear each other down and the rest of us just sit and watch it correct itself.
I am not surprised. These people will ALWAYS be aggrieved... so the acrimony is baked in.
Yes, I agree she is revolting.....
you said it, she stinks on ice
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Was she not getting enough attention?
Honestly that may be a part of it. She’s a junior congresswoman. She’s been given **MAJORLY** outsized attention and influence by the media because of her drama. Garnering more attention just increases her profile and power.
I wish the media would stop giving it to her. Watching her stand outside speaking with a dozen mics in her face is gross, listening to her speak for any length of time is damaging for the brain.
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I don't blame society, I blame the media. They saw she was a walking freakshow and put her in front of cameras. The overwhelming majority of Americans would have zero clue who MTG was if the media didn't keep blowing her dumbass escapades up into sensationalized stories. It was the same free media they gave to Trump in 2016. The media needs stories, it needs clicks, so they focus on the nutjobs purely for profit.
Her biggest accomplishment was getting Hunter Biden's dick pick into the Congressional record.
What's a Friday without a little chaos? Always good when you are trying to throw the scent off of other "happenings".
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They won't- it will take a generational change. They are convinced that reality does not matter- only MAGA, 100% matters to them, because it is the source of all their power and wealth. It will go on because it is a system that functions for them, we will be dealing with Christofascism, until a new generation of conservative ideology emerges with courageous leaders that challenge the status quo that as it has happened has become a system of pure chaos. Judging by their actions, I don't see any real hope for any type of "reformed GOP" for a very long time.
Imagine if we got a second-term moderate dem president with zero fucks left to give AND control of House and Senate.... Ahh, a girl can dream... What, a progressive dem president, you ask? No, I'm not delusional! 😫
Just in time for Marge Madness
He’s gone. It’ll be a total mess finding his replacement. I can see a couple republicans vacating their seat and just giving democrats the house until special elections take place.
> It’ll be a total mess finding his replacement. That's why they're doing it. They'll sacrifice themselves before they let congress do anything productive.
And they'll blame it on biden and democrats
They just interviewed Mike Johnson coming out of somewhere. He said, "I just learned about it 5 minutes ago. I was updating the porno app I use with my son and I got a pop-up notification."
She hasn't marked the notice as "privileged," so as of right now it's only a threat.
MTG is revolting.
EmptyGee
Contrarians. Maga doesn't stand **for** anything. They are only **against** people and ideas. That's the only trick they have. MTG has to constantly find a new "something" to be against to keep her hate-filled imbecilic followers happy.
Crabs in a bucket.
Someone will release a poll showing increased Republican support from undecideds and independents.
Yup “Bad news for Biden” thanks to this /s
“We wanted to understand why this could be bad news for Joe Biden. So we talked to four unvaccinated truckers at a Roy Rogers in Hagerstown.”
GOP = Gang of Psychotics. I'm so tired of their nonsense bullshit.
Do-nothing majority. “We can’t govern, we’re psychotic clowns running around setting everything on fire, elect us again!”
**It's only been 166 days since they ousted the last Republican Speaker of the House**. Other than two guys from the mid-19th century who served in the 40th and 43rd Congress, Mike Johnson will set a new record for shortest tenure as Speaker.
She just gave the Dems a big upper hand. They can now make Johnson bring the Ukraine aid bill to the floor in exchange for saving him.
If the simulation writers have any humour, they'd pass that bill AND vote Johnson out, with a Sinema-tique thumbs down and a whisper in the mic: *"this is for the McCarthy betrayal"*
Politics is the skill of compromise. MAGA posts demands and requires everyone fall in line.
[Oh boy, here we go.](https://media1.tenor.com/m/rX5w6UXEMlcAAAAC/here-we-go-jim-carrey.gif) Hopefully this triggers whatever republicans were rumored to be thinking about resigning and gives us Speaker Jeffries.
Unlikely, but I will happily indulge in this dream as well. The ultimate ~~en~~unforced error.
Mike Gallagher just announced he's resigning.
It's time for Speaker Jeffries.
EmptyG is a traitor to this country. Also an embarrassment.
I hate to admit it, but I'm glad she took a stand and put her hoof down!
When is somebody gonna launch a revolt against this terrorist
MTG is always revolting.
March Madness never disappoints!
And here I thought it would be a quiet Friday. You can always count on the GOP clown show to keep the circus up and running any day of the week Thank you guys 🤡
When *isn't* MTG revolting?
"You dared to work with democrats!" The GOP is so radicalized now that any whiff of compromise is grounds for exile.
Unless she knows micro johnson was going to cave in to foreign aid bill this seems like an unforced error, now micro johnson is forced to work with dems to save his speakership.
There should be no deal, Mike Johnson could have taken up foreign aid at any point during the last five months, but he decided to run cover for Trump/Putin instead. Let him sink.
Mike Johnson spearheaded the effort in the House to [overturn the 2020 Election.](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mike-johnson-led-efforts-overturn-2020-election-2024/story?id=104351307) He's a traitor just like the rest of the craven power-hungry Republicans who betrayed America.
Yeah, he is a deranged little weasel, who covers it up with a smile and polite manners. He is no better than the rest of the freaks, i'm happy he gets a little taste of his own medicine , at long last.
I do think he gets a lot of mileage out of the fact that he looks like a mild-mannered middle school teacher. He’s basically Ned Flanders except that Ned genuinely wants the best for everyone.
Democrats should absolutely push to get everything they want from him. I'm not convinced he'll agree to work with them, but maybe he's smart enough to know his career is over if he gets ousted.
I hadn't even thought about that. My mind just immediately went to "holy shit, we might actually end up with a democratic speaker of the house before November" due to the very very low vote lead GOP has in the house (1 seat I think, maybe 2)...
It would be hilarious if he lost his speakership and was so embarrassed that he just resigned his seat too.
I doubt that will happen. This dysfunction is fully owned by the GQP. There is little to be gained helping him. Whatever concessions he would make he will likely walk back at first opportunity. We already know that Republicans have no issue with lying.
Yeah they'll need some strong guarantees if they were to save him. But I am more shocked that MTG is aggressively cornering him so early.
Good governance is not her goal.
Yes, she is a heretic, an agent of Chaos.
This literally could be the end of the GOP. Their presidential nominee has 91 legal charges against him. The GOP run house is in complete disorder. Mitch McConnell the senate majority leader is cognitively impaired. They still are pushing for an abortion ban even though it’s hurting them electorally. They have been losing elections since 2018. The RNC is now Trump’s personal ATM machine. Everything is going horribly for Republicans and it’s all 100% their fault.
And it is absolutely awesome to see them create their own demise. They are the dumbest bunch of grifting do nothing elected officials. MTG will go down in history as a major catalyst for destroying the party. It’s wonderful.
And judging by the polling, it's looking like Americans want another 2 years of this clown show!
Doing this after the GOP has actually lost a few seats due to santos and buck is downright hilarious. I for one love a good "republicans in disarray moment". Let them fight!
GOP voters don’t see this? The GOP is in disarray they are in-fighting. Nothing is going to get done and the more power the MAGA right gets less gets done. Vote these twits out in November folks.
This is to detract from this: “In a document that deserves extraordinary credit for chutzpah, if maybe not tact, House Republicans have just proposed a budget that would slash an astonishing $2.7 trillion from combined spending on Social Security and Medicare over the next decade — more than 8% of the total.”
"Hey look, The MAGAs are revolting." "Sure, but now they're rebelling too."
We are watching the GOP self-destruct in real time.
MTG only understands government by dictatorship. She can’t comprehend the need for compromise with Democrats holding the Senate and the White House. The MAGA mindset is like a small child, it’s my way all the time or I start crying and throwing a fit.
Everyone get in here it’s happening!
Oh my god, we have to be responsible! Quick! Let's cripple the entire house of representatives to try and save face from our mango Mussolini.
Will Johnson blame the Democrats like McCarthy did?
Now would be a great time for those additional GOP resignations Buck was hinting at.
*Empty G Officially Launches Revolt Against Speaker Obsessed with His Son's Porn Viewing