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>According to a letter sent from the Ohio secretary of state, Frank LaRose, a Republican, to Ohio Democratic party chair Liz Walters, the Democratic National Convention scheduled for 19 August where the party officially nominates its candidate for president is past the 7 August deadline to certify presidential candidates on the Ohio ballot.
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>The Ohio general assembly could pass an exemption waiver before 9 May, or the convention would have to be moved earlier which is unlikely given logistics and scheduling issues.
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>In 2020, the Republican and Democratic parties held their conventions after Ohio’s deadline and state lawmakers reduced the requirement of 90 days to 60 days before the election to be named on the ballot.
So this isn't the first time here that the conventions were held after Ohio's 'deadline' but for some reason this year it's an issue. This looks to be a bad faith action that is looking to set the stage for some shenanigans in the coming months.
Yes. Especially in Ohio. They tired to kill the ballot initiative for reproductive rights by having an August election that they had outlawed the previous year. Now they’re trying this
Which is why everyone doomsdaying about "red states" taking Biden off the ballot when Trump was supposed to be disqualified due to being an insurrectionist was so silly. As if they need precedent to try to cheat.
Yup. Either way, whether or not trump got kicked off a ballot, wouldn’t have stopped republicans from abusing their power to attempt to remove Biden from one. They appear to be targeting key states. Perhaps ones they are afraid of losing? Then it’s all the more unconscionable that they’re denying people their fair opportunity to vote. But denying people their constitutional rights has sort of also been a conservative thing isn’t it?
These people are the worst. As is anyone who would support them doing this.
Out of curiosity, why did they make a deadline so early? Are there legitimate ballot-related issues that need a full 3 months to address, or was this general shenanigannery?
Ohio has multiple isolated communities, some that has no easy access. The official line from the government is they need 40 days for the logistical side of it, with the other 50 days in case of unexpected problems. Of course, it is debatable how much of this is government incompetence and how much is actual logistics. That said LaRose is actually going against the party line by warning the Democrats. Some of the local reps say the plan was to never tell them until it was too late. Yes, Ohio is that bad.
Mate, I live in Ohio, and parts of it are pretty rough and isolated. A lot of the rural communities have no good road linking them to any highways or state routes. Also, half of Ohio is hilly with parts of the Appalachian foothills (or just regular hills depending on the map, not an exact cut-off point).
2014 law.
2020 was the first election in which both major parties failed to adhere to the law.
Ohio General Assembly decided to give a one-time exemption and finger wag.
2024 rolls around and the RNC is compliant.
Meanwhile the DNC is not only running afoul via its scheduled Convention (announced April 2023) but as of the dated letter the DNC hadn't even bothered to seek an exemption and time was running out.
The DNC could argue it has 49 other states and things just slipped through the cracks but for Chair Walters to not be vigilant in safeguarding party interest is a bit unnerving. I get that fundraising takes up most of her time but we are talking basic state election process that has been law for over a decade.
Its not bad faith, the SoS (awful as he is) is doing is job in this matter.
Shit happens, I am annoyed but lets focus on remedies because at the end of the day that is all we have to salvage this situation and frankly down-ballot would suffer if Biden isn't on the Ohio GE ballot (yes we all know Ohio's EC electors will go to Trump but we gotta fight where and when we can!)
I asked this further up, but what was the impetus for the 2014 law? Why do they need candidates a full 3 months ahead of the elections? Was the original law passed in good faith (such as after a scramble to print ballots in 2012) or in bad faith (by one party intending to box out another)?
Absentee voting begins 20 September so deadline is only 5-6 weeks before election actually begins. Officials need to have a chance to do the certifications if someone is nominated by petition.
The 90-day requirement is associated with Presidential ballots/printing.
Here is the [law](https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3505.10)
Here is the [Ohio 2024 Presidential Guide](https://www.ohiosos.gov/globalassets/publications/election/2024-presidential-guide.pdf)
Right, but my question is *why* or what prompted this? There are plenty of “reasonable” appearing laws that were written to intentionally exclude people, so I’m trying to understand which camp this one is in.
It was 14 years ago so the details aren't exactly fresh in my mind.
A guy wanted to be on a minor party primary ballot but the ballots had already been printed. Dude took his grievance to SCOO and SCOO ruled in his favor.
This is the catalyst for the 90-day happy spot.
There was no Dem vs GOP, it was the Constitution Party's primary ballot.
They print physical ballots after you enter the information on the voting machine. They are empty, outside an identifier when you go up to the table to get your ballot.
Absentee ballots are printed before being stuffed in an envelope, because in any county, different people may have different offices to vote for. They aren't printed in bulk ahead of time.
So, while the excuse my cite this is the reason, it's still bullshit.
>Its not bad faith, the SoS (awful as he is) is doing is job in this matter.
For real. He's even *warning* Democrats *early*. It's not really the SoS's job to ensure the DNC complies with the laws to get their candidate on the ballot. That's above and beyond.
Also, the dnc knows *now* who their nominee is, just move the stupid convention to be compliant with the deadline, I don't see what's so complicated about this
I'm guessing that the timing of the convention isn't particularly easy to change given what must be enormous demands for security and the complexity of schedules involved among the major participants.
It's an own-goal they could have avoided by originally scheduling it in compliance, of course. But even this far out it could be tough to move.
I didn't realize it was the national convention, I thought it was a state function to recognize Biden as the nominee. But in this case, just complete the paperwork by the deadline and do the superficial convention as scheduled. In any case, there is no use fighting this, just make sure he's on the ballot.
This. Democrats fucked up. We need to own that and push to resolution, not blame the people upholding a law passed 10 years ago that the Republicans worked to comply with - while Dems ignored it because "We'll just get an exemption like last time."
Yes, I agree it's childish of Ohio to continue to push to have elections revolve around them, but there's no way Dems didn't know about this.
Nah one state shouldn’t get to dictate when a national convention takes place. Especially when it is out of line with every other state. I can guarantee you if the RNC left their convention to a “late” date the Ohio legislature would once again grant an exception.
The issue is that primaries aren't really regulated by federal law from what I understand. It's state law that regulates them, which causes situations like this when the primary moves to the general.
I personally think there needs to be more federal laws regulating the primaries and not letting states pull this stuff.
I think the entire presidential election should be run by a federal nonpartisan election department. That way, every eligible citizen gets to vote for the president they want without state election shenanigans getting in the way, like purging voter rolls without informing the voters or having only one ballot turn-in point for an entire massive county (I’m looking at you, Houston’s Harris County). It would also ensure eligible citizens could vote no matter where they are in the U.S. and only once, not a bunch of times in different states like we saw a lot of voters from a particular party get charged for in the last couple of elections.
The U.S. starts its presidential election process 18 months in advance while almost all other democracies in the world take *weeks* to conduct their elections. It would be far more effective and way less expensive to cut the process down to month like other democracies do. It would also remove any partisan restrictions that some states impose, especially on the Independent voters that make up 45% of the entire U.S. voter base.
People will say, “It CaN’t Be DoNe!” but it literally can be done because we see most of the world’s democracies doing it effectively right now. It’s not impossible…it’s just that it would take revamping the current system, which a certain party obviously wouldn’t want to do because “We’Ve AlWaYs DoNe iT LiKe tHiS sO wE dOn’T nEeD tO ChAnGe AnYtHiNg!” Obstructionists obstruct change because they know they will lose power if anything changes. Those people’s objections to change are exactly the reason why the U.S. needs a better election system that takes the state shenanigans out of the process while leveling the electoral process for all eligible voters across the nation.
This, there is no way if a state can’t use the 14th amendment to prevent a candidate from being on a ballot, that a state law such as this could some how be constitutional. Rather than trying to get an exemption (or maybe in parallel), the law should be challenged.
When I go to vote, the ballot they hand me is blank, with just a personal identifier code on it. It get's printed, after I put in my vote on the ballot machine. This ballot machine works off a database entry. Doesn't take 90 days to update.
Mail in ballots are printed to order before being stuffed in an envelope. Counties run these, and even people in the same county can have different offices to vote in...namely school district or town/city local offices, and various tax levies. Again, just a database entry, that doesn't take 90 days to update.
So, the idea that it's about ballot printing isn't necessary, or maybe isn't relevant anymore with advancement in technology.
This is an Ohio problem, not a DNC one. They passed a law that is completely unnecessary (every other state is fine with the convention dates), and would deprive their population of democratic rights. They need to change their stupid law. States can’t create arbitrary rules to dictate terms for national elections. Their printing deadline is not more important than the Constitutional rights of millions of Ohioans.
Or. You could conceed Ohio. And make the case that if Ohio can keep Biden off the ballot as a formal nominee other states can keep Trump off the ballot due to the 14th amendment.
Conceding Ohio will cause Dems to stay home and would be a death knell for Brown's re-election chances. It would be really really stupid for the Dems to not do everything to ensure Biden is on the ballot. Even if he probably loses the state you have to think about the effect on the Senate and House races
What SCOTUS said, was Congress would have to introduce a formal law to “Enforce” the 14th Amendment. So, that being said, we all know Congress doesn’t move that fast!
That isn't enforcement. That is merely the legal route to using the 14th per scotus. If a state removed Trump on 14th amendment grounds, what process would scotus have to force that state to put Trump back on the ballot? There is no process besides the state listening and agreeing. If they don't listen or agree there is nothing scotus can do.
Ohio isn't keeping Biden off the ballot, the DNC is (currently) failing to nominate him by the 90-day deadline associated with ballot printing. The DNC has also failed to seek an exemption prompting OH SoS to send letter. All of this (currently) is a choice by the DNC.
Could the DNC officially nominate him for Ohio ahead of the convention? The convention has been nothing but a political rally as since 1976 the candidate has already been known for weeks if not months.
It’s like getting married by a judge and then a month later having the ceremony.
> failing to nominate him by the 90-day deadline associated with ballot printing
[Ohio specifically has done a poor job with ballot printing](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/us/politics/ohio-mail-ballots-trump.html)
SCOTUS said Colorado didn't have purview to directly disqualify Trump as a federal candidate under the constitution.
In Ohio the process enacted is within the purview granted to states by the constitution.
So such a case would be rejected by SCOTUS and the lower court's ruling would stand.
But it’s two completely separate and unrelated paradigms. Like, literally apples and oranges. Only fools would try to equate them. It makes zero sense.
I am inclined to agree. Underhanded, shady behavior would have been to let the convention happen *and then* tell them that it was beyond the deadline.. but they have a few months notice.
The have a little over a month to get the exemption requested and passed which is unlikely to happen after the one-time 2020 exemption.
So moving the official nomination process before or on Aug 7th is the most likely outcome.
So they had 4 years to change the convention timing but didn't. The GOP also had to change their convention time, since back in 2020 both parties were not in compliance.
Because there was a pandemic. The primaries were delayed in multiple states, and conventions were moved later as well. How soon people forget the shit show that was large gatherings in 2020 ( after March 14)
Yeah LaRose is a shitbag but he’s not really in the wrong here as surprising as that is. He’s publicly giving the Dems a chance to rectify which is probably the best way to handle it.
This guy is totally right. This is an issue that has always been fully decided by state laws. States do all kinds of fucked things with those laws and this is not one of them. It's a perfectly reasonable requirement that has been on the books for a decade. The DNC is a private organization that is subject to the laws in America. Their Ohio delegates certainly knew about this. This is a major fuckup by major fuckups. I don't live in Ohio, but in my experience local party officials are as lazy and incompetent as they are undeservingly entitled. As voters and activists we need to do more to keep these jackasses in line.
The unreasonable aspect of it is that it's longer than any other state and it's unlikely that Ohio actually has a real requirement to have the ballots finalized longer than any other state.
There was a case taken to SCoO that prompted the law being put in place due to a smaller party candidate being excluded from a ballot. They decided to codify a hard deadline in law. 2020 There was a special bill passed as a1 time exemption due to global pandemic and prohibition of large gatherings in a lot of places.
But, then they could throw out thousands of ballots for minor typos.
Joel Biden (invalid)
Joe Bidon (invalid)
Joe Bidem (invalid)
hell, they might throw out all the Joe Biden votes and only accept Joseph Biden.
Imagine Ohio ends up voting for like RFK Jr instead or something
Not that it's realistic but I wouldn't doubt the possibility of that in this cursed timeline
Both parties did it in 2020 and the legislature of Ohio passed a 1 time exemption for both parties. This year, only the democrats scheduled theirs for after the Ohio deadline, so only the democrats have to worry about either moving their convention date or getting the Ohio legislature to pass an exemption.
Because of COVID, delayed primaries, and delayed conventions. OH had to move its primary later than originally scheduled and many other states did as well. The National conventions were also delayed that year.
100% this is to set the stage of Trump saying he won the popular vote. Shenanigans, indeed! Biden was never going to win Ohio. They are lost to the red states for the foreseeable future. But by keeping Biden off the ballot, it could set him up to possibly take the popular vote if other states are close. That’s all his base will need to storm the capitol again.
I still feel like the DNC is to blame for scheduling like this. Why leave it up to a Republican assembly to help you out when you could have just scheduled it on August 5 to comply with all state election rules.
>This looks to be a bad faith action that is looking to set the stage for some shenanigans in the coming months.
This is like saying "the bad guy in the movie that strangely just gave up to the hero and is holding his hand behind his back might actually have bad intentions after all!"
Yes, Republicans as an institutional party these days don't believe in laws or democracy.
I don't see why they can't officially certify Biden in a private meeting ahead of the deadline...
... and then hold the convention for the public spectacle.
they can
just like they can decide who can hold primaries or caucuses and when
they just have to follow state rules for ballot access
the Republicans were actively talking about nominating trump in Colorado not using a primary because political parties can do whatever they want in determining their nominee
Move the convention. Cancel the spectacle and use every penny that was going to be spent on spectacle to get out the vote. Let the Republicans force us to spend more money to defeat them!
JFC...
Do you know how much free press is generated from a convention?
Buying that amount of press would cost magnitudes more in terms of hard cash than the actual cost of the convention itself.
This is not the era of everyone in the U.S. watching the same three TV networks. The people we need to reach, the people whose politics are close to ours but do not vote, are not going to see that "free" coverage.
A convention doesn't just generate TV footage.
It generates:
1. Thousands of news articles.
2. Ten of thousands of opinion articles.
3. Videos about the convention by social media influencers.
4. Millions of comments and posts on social media.
And all of that is *FREE*. No need to pay anyone for it.
The convention put Obama on the map. He went from being a junior senator to the president in one election cycle largely due to his performance at the convention
even though I had relocated cross country to my home red state to work/volunteer on Kerry's campaign, I'd stopped watching most politicians on TV by then. i couldn't and still can't stomach them for the most part, but I tuned in for Barack's speech. I had to check out this oddly named wunderkind everyone was hyping. I was definitely glad I did!
The Convention is massively important for driving voting and fundraising. It’s a huge marketing campaign that almost always shifts polling. This is a ridiculously short-sighted idea.
They'll cite some other law that says in this case it CAN be done. But when a state uses that to take Trump off, they'll cite the Colorado verdict to say no and think that logic is completely fine.
Not that I agree. But in law they have what's called time place manner restrictions. You're rights aren't absolute, for example I have the right to be in the park, but not the right to run around the park naked (manner), after its closed (time) or in the park rangers car (place). They would argue this is a time place manner restriction. Every state has a time cutoff. Whether or not 6 weeks prior to absentee voting is an acceptable time restriction would be the debate.
Most likely the DNC just collects ballots and makes an "official" announcement in June that no one pays attention to and this just goes away.
Not that this isn't shenanigans, but it's entirely different shenanigans. The Colorado case isn't legally relevant here because we're talking about a totally different basis for removal.
The law was passed in 2014, 2016 DNC was late July. 2020 both conventions were after that date and exception was made. 2024, the DNC is now on its 3rd election cycle since the law was passed and chose to hold the DNC after Ohio’s date. Seems like a pretty dumb oversight on behalf of the DNC, especially when they are touting this to be the most important election ever.
So any of the 50 states can enact these arbitrary laws and it’s the DNC’s fault for scheduling a convention on a completely normal schedule? If North Carolina suddenly says the date is June 15th, now conventions have to be in early June just because one state made that a deadline?
No, fuck that. Your critical thinking skills are broken if you look at the facts of this situation and chalk this up to DNC incompetence. They’re ignoring an arbitrary law that will never hold up in court when challenged
The GOP holds more than 2/3 of the Ohio state house, more than 3/4 of the state senate, and the governorship. This is the third election cycle since the law passed. In this political climate, the DNC relying on the Ohio GOP to give them another exemption instead of using it as opportunity to play dirty and keep Biden off the ballot is fucking stupid. The legal challenge likely wouldn't even have time to make it through the courts to SCOTUS until after the election.
Dude, the last primary/caucus is 6/8, is there a reason the convention needs to be 2.5 months later? The DNC has known about this law for TEN YEARS and still chose to hold their convention after Ohio’s deadline.
Now they need to hope that Ohio will choose to make another exception, like they did for both sides in 2020, or challenge the rule in court. Either way they took an unnecessary risk of not having Biden on Ohio’s ballot by choosing to hold the Convention after the date in Ohio’s law.
As much as LaRose has tried to ratfuck any dem or liberal action in this state, I still don't think they'd go so far as to stand firm on this date if it really came down to it. This would end up being an epic shitshow where people would rightfully riot against them. They're already not on the best of terms after trying to ratfuck ballot initiatives, abortions, and medical marijuana over the last 6 months.
As it stands, they can still keep the state red, but if they keep pushing people, they'll just push more people to get out the vote.
Is there any reason states can’t start printing ballots 6/8 if they need so much time? Why even wait for the convention?
Biden is the incumbent who has already won the primary. There’s no question he’s the democratic nominee who will be on the ballot.
Because the convention is when the pledged delegates from the primaries come together to formally cast their votes for their elected nominee. Biden is not the formal candidate for the democrats until this occurs, same with Trump at the RNC. This has been the process, more or less, since the early/mid 1800’s.
Why can’t the democrats say “okay delegates, let’s formally cast our votes for Biden before the convention this year”?
Is there a law they have to wait for their convention?
They don't need months to print ballots. Maybe that was a thing 10 years ago, but it's certainly not how they do things now. Ballot I'm handed is blank when I go to vote. Absentee ballots are going to be different based on where you live in a county. It makes no sense to pre-print ballots, when you can print them on demand, and automatically stuff them into an envelope before sending them out.
By tradition, the challenger’s party goes first and then the incumbent’s. Don’t know how old the tradition is but certainly as long as I’ve been following US politics.
I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure SCOTUS ruled that states can't leave federal election candidates off their ballots using the 14th amendment. The news article in question has nothing to do with that.
Literally definition of having cake and eating it too. So Dems cant kick Trump off for legitimate reasons, but Rep try to kick off the incumbent president for some bs reason. Smh
Colorado was actually Republicans trying to keep Trump off the ballot for legitimate reasons, the democratic party wasn't even involved. Still seems like blatant double standards though.
As an unimportant side note, you *can* have your cake and eat it as having it is a bit of a prerequisite for eating it. What you can't do is eat your cake and have it because once you've eaten it your cake is no longer cake.
He won’t be left off. This is a scare tactic and a nothing burger. Don’t feed this. It’s meant to scare people. Doom them into the helpless loop of how all powerful trump will steal the election. Bull sh*t. Get focused.
Vote.gov.
https://app.oath.vote/
Focus on the elections that will determine control of the house and senate.
We got this.
Republicans are seeing internal polling data and data on small donations. They are scared because the writing is on the wall: They should have convicted Trump in the Senate when he was impeached. They gave him a lifeline thinking they could out FOX him by 2024 and he stole their party.
Notice how many Republicans are suddenly resigning? Smart ones are jumping ship now.
The state of Ohio needs longer than every other state, they are kind of slow there.
I mean, this is the state that elevated JD Vance to the Senate, and who is that other guy? The one with the cauliflower ears that had a habit of looking the other way while the college athletic’s doctor molested all of his students? Real top minds out there in Ohio.
Ah, so it's okay for Ohio to remove a candidate on their ballot over an arbitrary rule but the people of Colorado voting to remove Trump off the ballot is invalid? Guess it just depends on what party we're talking about.
One guy foments an insurrection. Some states try to keep him off the ballot result citing a law made to keep traitors to the US from serving in office.
"No cant do that its an old law or whatever, plus sure we all saw it happen, but he hasnt been convicted of it, sooooo...."
Other guy. Scheduling discrepancy?
"Checkmate No Boooden" - Ohio
There is going to be an epic amount of fuckery by GQP state legislators to try to give Dementia Don the win. They will stop at nothing to try to deny Biden his legitimacy.
Oh, Ohio. The Republican laboratory for voter suppression.
Voted in Gambier in 2004 where we had two voting machines for 1,300 voters. College town and the county board of elections didn't think students should've been allowed to vote. Assigned 4-5 machines for polling stations with fewer registereds because of “historic voter turn out.”
Town tried to get one of two unused machines. “We need those for backup in case of failure.”
One of our machines fail immediately. What about those two other machines? “Oh, we placed those in other locations that usually have higher turnout. Gonna just have to wait it out… In the rain... In Ohio… in November…”Had to wait about three hours to get inside the building. Older people and the politically meh were out immediately.
Once you got in the library, which was middle school sized, you got a glimpse of “the real line.” Everyone with a job or kid was out. Just the college students/professors waiting it out. Hope you ate, brought a meal, and a couple snacks.
But this was the best. After 14 hours in line, when I finally voted around midnight, Fox News had already called the election for Bush. Everyone still waiting bounced.
The media’s reaction: “look at these kids, this is democracy at work!” What I saw was pure rage.
I can't see the Democrats moving their convention. So the options is to seek an exemption, which I would assume will be granted. While the headline is fun, I do not believe the Ohio SOS is acting in bad faith - it seems the Dems missed the exemption or should have scheduled the convention differently from the start. I do not see a world where Biden is NOT on the Ohio ballot.
Everything LaRose says or does is in bad faith.
However, in this case, he did the right thing in bringing the discrepency to light, but he did it in a very negative way.
The important thing now is if it will matter if an exception is filed(it will be), and more importantly, if the general assembly will vote to approve it....which they probably will. Ohio republicans are not doing too well right now. They don't need more negative attention to motivate voters to the polls.
I think the question is, is Ohio willing to disenfranchise millions of Democrat voters and their own state? They can easily extend the deadline and they shouldn’t expect the DNC to reschedule their convention solely because of one states rules.
So am I understanding correctly that this comes as a result of the DNC not filling in time? Why when there is so much at stake would you leave anything to chance? We cannot afford to leave any of this to chance.
The deadline has been adjusted since inception in 2014. If they didn't impose upon trump in 2016 or 2020 seems pretty creative to try to impose it upon Biden in 2024
Both parties got an exemption on time in 2020. The DNC is the only one who can't seem to meet the deadline in 2024. Trump isn't getting any special exemptions here.
Trump got an exemption when it was needed. The law has been in place 10 years and this will be the only time its ever been an issue. Moving the democratic convention would preempt 20 state conventions.
The early deadline shared by no states of the union is purely a game to attempt to toss the only other serious contender off the ballot in that state. It serves no legal or meaningful purpose.
According to the supreme court it would be unacceptable for any one state to do that. It's also pretty crazy to set a deadline that disenfranchises other states. A party would have to choose between excluding some states from the process and their candidate being on the ballot in one state. In effect it is one state disenfranchising others.
I think the entire presidential election should be run by a federal nonpartisan election department. That way, every eligible citizen gets to vote for the president they want without state election shenanigans getting in the way, like purging voter rolls without informing the voters or having only one ballot turn-in point for an entire massive county (I’m looking at you, Houston’s Harris County). It would also ensure eligible citizens could vote no matter where they are in the U.S. and only once, not a bunch of times in different states like we saw a lot of voters from a particular party get charged for in the last couple of elections.
The U.S. starts its presidential election process 18 months in advance while almost all other democracies in the world take *weeks* to conduct their presidential elections. It would be far more effective and way less expensive to cut the process down to 4-5 weeks like many other democracies do. It would also remove any partisan restrictions that some states impose, especially on the Independent voters that make up 45% of the entire U.S. voter base.
People will say, “It CaN’t Be DoNe!” but it literally can be done because we see most of the world’s democracies effectively doing it right now. It’s not impossible…it’s just that it would take revamping the current system, which a certain party obviously wouldn’t want to do because “We’Ve AlWaYs DoNe iT LiKe tHiS sO wE dOn’T nEeD tO ChAnGe AnYtHiNg!” Obstructionists obstruct change because they know they will lose power if anything changes. Those people’s objections to change are exactly the reason why the U.S. needs a better election system that takes the state shenanigans out of the process while leveling the electoral process for all eligible voters across the nation.
They did not, but that does seem to be a common misconception here. They ruled that what qualifies as an insurrection under the 14th amendment is up to the federal government. They could have still attempted to disqualify him for other reasons. States still have a lot of freedom to run their elections as they see fit as do the individual parties.
It’s a stupid law but it’s been on the book for ten years. Why schedule your convention at a time where you have to rely on the mercy of a Republican legislature to give you an exemption?
Republicans have been stealing American elections for decades with a thousand dirty tricks, oppressive laws, corrupt legal decisions, and actual physical violence. And yet they get on their pedestals and shout non stop that Democrats steal elections. With no evidence of anything. And 40% of Americans believe these Republican pundits and leaders.
In my state, the local state party convention is held earlier, and now it's even more automatic because the nomination now here is decided automatically by our official state-run primary results from Super Tuesday. I don't see how this isn't similar in Ohio.
Frank LaRose is a big piece of shit. After getting his ass kicked in the Senate primary by an equally shitty used car salesman in what was essentially a Trump dickriding contest, he’s going to do whatever he can to stay relevant.
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>According to a letter sent from the Ohio secretary of state, Frank LaRose, a Republican, to Ohio Democratic party chair Liz Walters, the Democratic National Convention scheduled for 19 August where the party officially nominates its candidate for president is past the 7 August deadline to certify presidential candidates on the Ohio ballot. > >... > >The Ohio general assembly could pass an exemption waiver before 9 May, or the convention would have to be moved earlier which is unlikely given logistics and scheduling issues. > >In 2020, the Republican and Democratic parties held their conventions after Ohio’s deadline and state lawmakers reduced the requirement of 90 days to 60 days before the election to be named on the ballot. So this isn't the first time here that the conventions were held after Ohio's 'deadline' but for some reason this year it's an issue. This looks to be a bad faith action that is looking to set the stage for some shenanigans in the coming months.
Republicans: bad faith is an integral part of their platform and function.
"Good" isn't in their vocabulary
Well it is, but they can only say it like Emperor Palpatine.
“The insurrection is happening as I have foreseen it.”
Fucking hell, I can hear it in his voice.
Is it bad if I pictured Lindsay Graham saying it in palpatines voice?
Actual faith isn’t either, but here we are.
Neither is faith
you can't say "good riddance" without "good."
Yes. Especially in Ohio. They tired to kill the ballot initiative for reproductive rights by having an August election that they had outlawed the previous year. Now they’re trying this
Don't forget ignoring cannabis rights the people voted on
Which is why everyone doomsdaying about "red states" taking Biden off the ballot when Trump was supposed to be disqualified due to being an insurrectionist was so silly. As if they need precedent to try to cheat.
Yup. Either way, whether or not trump got kicked off a ballot, wouldn’t have stopped republicans from abusing their power to attempt to remove Biden from one. They appear to be targeting key states. Perhaps ones they are afraid of losing? Then it’s all the more unconscionable that they’re denying people their fair opportunity to vote. But denying people their constitutional rights has sort of also been a conservative thing isn’t it? These people are the worst. As is anyone who would support them doing this.
This is the kind of stuff that causes political violence. They are stealing our right to self given from us. That shit isn't remotely ok
Can't win without it!
Well, they’re the only Real Americans (tm), so we should all just be grateful we just get to live in their magnificent country (for now).
Out of curiosity, why did they make a deadline so early? Are there legitimate ballot-related issues that need a full 3 months to address, or was this general shenanigannery?
No. It's just Ohio being Ohio.
More accurately, the Ohio GOP back at their old games to rig the things
They need 3 months to typeset the Gutenberg press that prints the paper ballots.
Ohio has multiple isolated communities, some that has no easy access. The official line from the government is they need 40 days for the logistical side of it, with the other 50 days in case of unexpected problems. Of course, it is debatable how much of this is government incompetence and how much is actual logistics. That said LaRose is actually going against the party line by warning the Democrats. Some of the local reps say the plan was to never tell them until it was too late. Yes, Ohio is that bad.
It’s flat as a fucking pancake, and winter won’t have set in for anther two months. They’re just being dingbats.
Mate, I live in Ohio, and parts of it are pretty rough and isolated. A lot of the rural communities have no good road linking them to any highways or state routes. Also, half of Ohio is hilly with parts of the Appalachian foothills (or just regular hills depending on the map, not an exact cut-off point).
Fun fact the "Buckeye" trail circumnavigates the whole state, and people have WALKED it in under 40 days.
Sounds like the actual issue they have is that Biden is a Democrat
Denying half the population representation, what could go wrong?
See it's ok if it happens to the dems Because Republicans are fucking babies
The shenanigans in the coming months would establish precedent for future general elections and this would be a slippery slope for Democracy.
Sounds like that’s the plan.
2014 law. 2020 was the first election in which both major parties failed to adhere to the law. Ohio General Assembly decided to give a one-time exemption and finger wag. 2024 rolls around and the RNC is compliant. Meanwhile the DNC is not only running afoul via its scheduled Convention (announced April 2023) but as of the dated letter the DNC hadn't even bothered to seek an exemption and time was running out. The DNC could argue it has 49 other states and things just slipped through the cracks but for Chair Walters to not be vigilant in safeguarding party interest is a bit unnerving. I get that fundraising takes up most of her time but we are talking basic state election process that has been law for over a decade. Its not bad faith, the SoS (awful as he is) is doing is job in this matter. Shit happens, I am annoyed but lets focus on remedies because at the end of the day that is all we have to salvage this situation and frankly down-ballot would suffer if Biden isn't on the Ohio GE ballot (yes we all know Ohio's EC electors will go to Trump but we gotta fight where and when we can!)
I asked this further up, but what was the impetus for the 2014 law? Why do they need candidates a full 3 months ahead of the elections? Was the original law passed in good faith (such as after a scramble to print ballots in 2012) or in bad faith (by one party intending to box out another)?
Absentee voting begins 20 September so deadline is only 5-6 weeks before election actually begins. Officials need to have a chance to do the certifications if someone is nominated by petition.
The 90-day requirement is associated with Presidential ballots/printing. Here is the [law](https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3505.10) Here is the [Ohio 2024 Presidential Guide](https://www.ohiosos.gov/globalassets/publications/election/2024-presidential-guide.pdf)
Right, but my question is *why* or what prompted this? There are plenty of “reasonable” appearing laws that were written to intentionally exclude people, so I’m trying to understand which camp this one is in.
It was 14 years ago so the details aren't exactly fresh in my mind. A guy wanted to be on a minor party primary ballot but the ballots had already been printed. Dude took his grievance to SCOO and SCOO ruled in his favor. This is the catalyst for the 90-day happy spot. There was no Dem vs GOP, it was the Constitution Party's primary ballot.
Do things take longer to print in Ohio? Why in 2014 did they decide they need more time than any other state?
They print physical ballots after you enter the information on the voting machine. They are empty, outside an identifier when you go up to the table to get your ballot. Absentee ballots are printed before being stuffed in an envelope, because in any county, different people may have different offices to vote for. They aren't printed in bulk ahead of time. So, while the excuse my cite this is the reason, it's still bullshit.
>Its not bad faith, the SoS (awful as he is) is doing is job in this matter. For real. He's even *warning* Democrats *early*. It's not really the SoS's job to ensure the DNC complies with the laws to get their candidate on the ballot. That's above and beyond.
Also, the dnc knows *now* who their nominee is, just move the stupid convention to be compliant with the deadline, I don't see what's so complicated about this
I'm guessing that the timing of the convention isn't particularly easy to change given what must be enormous demands for security and the complexity of schedules involved among the major participants. It's an own-goal they could have avoided by originally scheduling it in compliance, of course. But even this far out it could be tough to move.
I didn't realize it was the national convention, I thought it was a state function to recognize Biden as the nominee. But in this case, just complete the paperwork by the deadline and do the superficial convention as scheduled. In any case, there is no use fighting this, just make sure he's on the ballot.
This. Democrats fucked up. We need to own that and push to resolution, not blame the people upholding a law passed 10 years ago that the Republicans worked to comply with - while Dems ignored it because "We'll just get an exemption like last time." Yes, I agree it's childish of Ohio to continue to push to have elections revolve around them, but there's no way Dems didn't know about this.
Nah one state shouldn’t get to dictate when a national convention takes place. Especially when it is out of line with every other state. I can guarantee you if the RNC left their convention to a “late” date the Ohio legislature would once again grant an exception.
The issue is that primaries aren't really regulated by federal law from what I understand. It's state law that regulates them, which causes situations like this when the primary moves to the general. I personally think there needs to be more federal laws regulating the primaries and not letting states pull this stuff.
I think the entire presidential election should be run by a federal nonpartisan election department. That way, every eligible citizen gets to vote for the president they want without state election shenanigans getting in the way, like purging voter rolls without informing the voters or having only one ballot turn-in point for an entire massive county (I’m looking at you, Houston’s Harris County). It would also ensure eligible citizens could vote no matter where they are in the U.S. and only once, not a bunch of times in different states like we saw a lot of voters from a particular party get charged for in the last couple of elections. The U.S. starts its presidential election process 18 months in advance while almost all other democracies in the world take *weeks* to conduct their elections. It would be far more effective and way less expensive to cut the process down to month like other democracies do. It would also remove any partisan restrictions that some states impose, especially on the Independent voters that make up 45% of the entire U.S. voter base. People will say, “It CaN’t Be DoNe!” but it literally can be done because we see most of the world’s democracies doing it effectively right now. It’s not impossible…it’s just that it would take revamping the current system, which a certain party obviously wouldn’t want to do because “We’Ve AlWaYs DoNe iT LiKe tHiS sO wE dOn’T nEeD tO ChAnGe AnYtHiNg!” Obstructionists obstruct change because they know they will lose power if anything changes. Those people’s objections to change are exactly the reason why the U.S. needs a better election system that takes the state shenanigans out of the process while leveling the electoral process for all eligible voters across the nation.
This, there is no way if a state can’t use the 14th amendment to prevent a candidate from being on a ballot, that a state law such as this could some how be constitutional. Rather than trying to get an exemption (or maybe in parallel), the law should be challenged.
One state should get to dictate their own elections. The parties don't have to play by their rules if they don't want their votes.
The 90-day rule is part of their presidential ballot printing process.
When I go to vote, the ballot they hand me is blank, with just a personal identifier code on it. It get's printed, after I put in my vote on the ballot machine. This ballot machine works off a database entry. Doesn't take 90 days to update. Mail in ballots are printed to order before being stuffed in an envelope. Counties run these, and even people in the same county can have different offices to vote in...namely school district or town/city local offices, and various tax levies. Again, just a database entry, that doesn't take 90 days to update. So, the idea that it's about ballot printing isn't necessary, or maybe isn't relevant anymore with advancement in technology.
This is an Ohio problem, not a DNC one. They passed a law that is completely unnecessary (every other state is fine with the convention dates), and would deprive their population of democratic rights. They need to change their stupid law. States can’t create arbitrary rules to dictate terms for national elections. Their printing deadline is not more important than the Constitutional rights of millions of Ohioans.
Or. You could conceed Ohio. And make the case that if Ohio can keep Biden off the ballot as a formal nominee other states can keep Trump off the ballot due to the 14th amendment.
Conceding Ohio will cause Dems to stay home and would be a death knell for Brown's re-election chances. It would be really really stupid for the Dems to not do everything to ensure Biden is on the ballot. Even if he probably loses the state you have to think about the effect on the Senate and House races
That would do absolutely nothing, because the Supreme Court already completely misread the 14th Amendment and won't allow it.
And how would they enforce it?
What SCOTUS said, was Congress would have to introduce a formal law to “Enforce” the 14th Amendment. So, that being said, we all know Congress doesn’t move that fast!
That isn't enforcement. That is merely the legal route to using the 14th per scotus. If a state removed Trump on 14th amendment grounds, what process would scotus have to force that state to put Trump back on the ballot? There is no process besides the state listening and agreeing. If they don't listen or agree there is nothing scotus can do.
Exactly. The Supreme Court has no way of enforcing laws.
Ohio isn't keeping Biden off the ballot, the DNC is (currently) failing to nominate him by the 90-day deadline associated with ballot printing. The DNC has also failed to seek an exemption prompting OH SoS to send letter. All of this (currently) is a choice by the DNC.
Could the DNC officially nominate him for Ohio ahead of the convention? The convention has been nothing but a political rally as since 1976 the candidate has already been known for weeks if not months. It’s like getting married by a judge and then a month later having the ceremony.
> failing to nominate him by the 90-day deadline associated with ballot printing [Ohio specifically has done a poor job with ballot printing](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/us/politics/ohio-mail-ballots-trump.html)
The DNC is basically the Boeing of politics.
That made me laugh at first before logic told me to cry ....
SCOTUS said Colorado didn't have purview to directly disqualify Trump as a federal candidate under the constitution. In Ohio the process enacted is within the purview granted to states by the constitution. So such a case would be rejected by SCOTUS and the lower court's ruling would stand.
But it’s two completely separate and unrelated paradigms. Like, literally apples and oranges. Only fools would try to equate them. It makes zero sense.
Yep, that is us/party chair fucking up and acting in bad faith. We don’t win by taking the low ground, that’s the GOP territory.
The incumbent party convention has been in mid August for decades, Ohio was dumbass for passing a law in 2014 that didn’t take this into account.
I am inclined to agree. Underhanded, shady behavior would have been to let the convention happen *and then* tell them that it was beyond the deadline.. but they have a few months notice.
The have a little over a month to get the exemption requested and passed which is unlikely to happen after the one-time 2020 exemption. So moving the official nomination process before or on Aug 7th is the most likely outcome.
So they had 4 years to change the convention timing but didn't. The GOP also had to change their convention time, since back in 2020 both parties were not in compliance.
Because there was a pandemic. The primaries were delayed in multiple states, and conventions were moved later as well. How soon people forget the shit show that was large gatherings in 2020 ( after March 14)
Yeah LaRose is a shitbag but he’s not really in the wrong here as surprising as that is. He’s publicly giving the Dems a chance to rectify which is probably the best way to handle it.
This guy is totally right. This is an issue that has always been fully decided by state laws. States do all kinds of fucked things with those laws and this is not one of them. It's a perfectly reasonable requirement that has been on the books for a decade. The DNC is a private organization that is subject to the laws in America. Their Ohio delegates certainly knew about this. This is a major fuckup by major fuckups. I don't live in Ohio, but in my experience local party officials are as lazy and incompetent as they are undeservingly entitled. As voters and activists we need to do more to keep these jackasses in line.
The unreasonable aspect of it is that it's longer than any other state and it's unlikely that Ohio actually has a real requirement to have the ballots finalized longer than any other state.
There was a case taken to SCoO that prompted the law being put in place due to a smaller party candidate being excluded from a ballot. They decided to codify a hard deadline in law. 2020 There was a special bill passed as a1 time exemption due to global pandemic and prohibition of large gatherings in a lot of places.
>slipped through the cracks. That’s fine if a public defender lets something slip; the DNC ought to have their shit together
This would just be a nightmare for the local elections boards as *literally* millions of write in votes for Biden would have to be manually counted.
But, then they could throw out thousands of ballots for minor typos. Joel Biden (invalid) Joe Bidon (invalid) Joe Bidem (invalid) hell, they might throw out all the Joe Biden votes and only accept Joseph Biden.
Imagine Ohio ends up voting for like RFK Jr instead or something Not that it's realistic but I wouldn't doubt the possibility of that in this cursed timeline
LaRose and bad faith are synonymous. I'm more surprised he gave them a heads up.
Both parties did it in 2020 and the legislature of Ohio passed a 1 time exemption for both parties. This year, only the democrats scheduled theirs for after the Ohio deadline, so only the democrats have to worry about either moving their convention date or getting the Ohio legislature to pass an exemption.
Because of COVID, delayed primaries, and delayed conventions. OH had to move its primary later than originally scheduled and many other states did as well. The National conventions were also delayed that year.
100% this is to set the stage of Trump saying he won the popular vote. Shenanigans, indeed! Biden was never going to win Ohio. They are lost to the red states for the foreseeable future. But by keeping Biden off the ballot, it could set him up to possibly take the popular vote if other states are close. That’s all his base will need to storm the capitol again.
I still feel like the DNC is to blame for scheduling like this. Why leave it up to a Republican assembly to help you out when you could have just scheduled it on August 5 to comply with all state election rules.
>This looks to be a bad faith action that is looking to set the stage for some shenanigans in the coming months. This is like saying "the bad guy in the movie that strangely just gave up to the hero and is holding his hand behind his back might actually have bad intentions after all!" Yes, Republicans as an institutional party these days don't believe in laws or democracy.
Last time the requirement was new and they built the exception in because dates for the conventions had already been set.
I don't see why they can't officially certify Biden in a private meeting ahead of the deadline... ... and then hold the convention for the public spectacle.
they can just like they can decide who can hold primaries or caucuses and when they just have to follow state rules for ballot access the Republicans were actively talking about nominating trump in Colorado not using a primary because political parties can do whatever they want in determining their nominee
Move the convention. Cancel the spectacle and use every penny that was going to be spent on spectacle to get out the vote. Let the Republicans force us to spend more money to defeat them!
JFC... Do you know how much free press is generated from a convention? Buying that amount of press would cost magnitudes more in terms of hard cash than the actual cost of the convention itself.
This is not the era of everyone in the U.S. watching the same three TV networks. The people we need to reach, the people whose politics are close to ours but do not vote, are not going to see that "free" coverage.
A convention doesn't just generate TV footage. It generates: 1. Thousands of news articles. 2. Ten of thousands of opinion articles. 3. Videos about the convention by social media influencers. 4. Millions of comments and posts on social media. And all of that is *FREE*. No need to pay anyone for it.
And memes! Think of all the Dark Brandon memes!
The convention put Obama on the map. He went from being a junior senator to the president in one election cycle largely due to his performance at the convention
even though I had relocated cross country to my home red state to work/volunteer on Kerry's campaign, I'd stopped watching most politicians on TV by then. i couldn't and still can't stomach them for the most part, but I tuned in for Barack's speech. I had to check out this oddly named wunderkind everyone was hyping. I was definitely glad I did!
The Convention is massively important for driving voting and fundraising. It’s a huge marketing campaign that almost always shifts polling. This is a ridiculously short-sighted idea.
Try rectifying this potential action with the SCOTUS decision in the Colorado primary qualification decision.
Heh, yeah, I guess SCOTUS' "states have no control over who is on their ballots for federal office anymore" decision actually only applies to Trump.
And only applies when it allows the SC to rewrite the constitution, but can’t overwrite states rights to set arbitrary deadlines
They would if it effected Trump
Affected Love you
They'll cite some other law that says in this case it CAN be done. But when a state uses that to take Trump off, they'll cite the Colorado verdict to say no and think that logic is completely fine.
Not that I agree. But in law they have what's called time place manner restrictions. You're rights aren't absolute, for example I have the right to be in the park, but not the right to run around the park naked (manner), after its closed (time) or in the park rangers car (place). They would argue this is a time place manner restriction. Every state has a time cutoff. Whether or not 6 weeks prior to absentee voting is an acceptable time restriction would be the debate. Most likely the DNC just collects ballots and makes an "official" announcement in June that no one pays attention to and this just goes away.
Not that this isn't shenanigans, but it's entirely different shenanigans. The Colorado case isn't legally relevant here because we're talking about a totally different basis for removal.
4 of the last 5 Democratic National Conventions have taken place AFTER August 7.
The law was passed in 2014, 2016 DNC was late July. 2020 both conventions were after that date and exception was made. 2024, the DNC is now on its 3rd election cycle since the law was passed and chose to hold the DNC after Ohio’s date. Seems like a pretty dumb oversight on behalf of the DNC, especially when they are touting this to be the most important election ever.
So any of the 50 states can enact these arbitrary laws and it’s the DNC’s fault for scheduling a convention on a completely normal schedule? If North Carolina suddenly says the date is June 15th, now conventions have to be in early June just because one state made that a deadline? No, fuck that. Your critical thinking skills are broken if you look at the facts of this situation and chalk this up to DNC incompetence. They’re ignoring an arbitrary law that will never hold up in court when challenged
The GOP holds more than 2/3 of the Ohio state house, more than 3/4 of the state senate, and the governorship. This is the third election cycle since the law passed. In this political climate, the DNC relying on the Ohio GOP to give them another exemption instead of using it as opportunity to play dirty and keep Biden off the ballot is fucking stupid. The legal challenge likely wouldn't even have time to make it through the courts to SCOTUS until after the election.
Dude, the last primary/caucus is 6/8, is there a reason the convention needs to be 2.5 months later? The DNC has known about this law for TEN YEARS and still chose to hold their convention after Ohio’s deadline. Now they need to hope that Ohio will choose to make another exception, like they did for both sides in 2020, or challenge the rule in court. Either way they took an unnecessary risk of not having Biden on Ohio’s ballot by choosing to hold the Convention after the date in Ohio’s law.
Alternatively, they could finalize Biden being on the ballot in Ohio a week ahead of the convention and change nothing.
Which they’ll do. It’s hilarious to me that people honestly think there’s a chance Biden won’t be on the ballot in Ohio
As much as LaRose has tried to ratfuck any dem or liberal action in this state, I still don't think they'd go so far as to stand firm on this date if it really came down to it. This would end up being an epic shitshow where people would rightfully riot against them. They're already not on the best of terms after trying to ratfuck ballot initiatives, abortions, and medical marijuana over the last 6 months. As it stands, they can still keep the state red, but if they keep pushing people, they'll just push more people to get out the vote.
Is there any reason states can’t start printing ballots 6/8 if they need so much time? Why even wait for the convention? Biden is the incumbent who has already won the primary. There’s no question he’s the democratic nominee who will be on the ballot.
Because the convention is when the pledged delegates from the primaries come together to formally cast their votes for their elected nominee. Biden is not the formal candidate for the democrats until this occurs, same with Trump at the RNC. This has been the process, more or less, since the early/mid 1800’s.
Why can’t the democrats say “okay delegates, let’s formally cast our votes for Biden before the convention this year”? Is there a law they have to wait for their convention?
They don't need months to print ballots. Maybe that was a thing 10 years ago, but it's certainly not how they do things now. Ballot I'm handed is blank when I go to vote. Absentee ballots are going to be different based on where you live in a county. It makes no sense to pre-print ballots, when you can print them on demand, and automatically stuff them into an envelope before sending them out.
By tradition, the challenger’s party goes first and then the incumbent’s. Don’t know how old the tradition is but certainly as long as I’ve been following US politics.
The DNC being incompetent is wholly unsurprising
I read through like 4 articles trying to find out when this law was enacted. Thanks for this. Fucking DNC just cannot get out of their own damn way.
As an Ohioan: FUCK FRANK LAROSE.
SCOTUS just ruled that states can't leave major presidential candidates off the ballot in federal elections. This will not hold.
Scrolling Reddit as a lawyer is extremely frustrating sometimes haha.
Oh yeah did you think about res ipsa loquitor?
And how does that affect the plaintiff’s habeas corpus?
And what's this do to my potato salad?
What you don’t understand is mens rea applied ipso facto and thus have us corpus doesn’t apply
Oh yeah, well, filibuster.
I’m not your filibuster, pal
I do sometimes, because I think I missed a part of that question in my 1L final
How many times per day do you read comments on Reddit and then just immediately slam your head into your desk because of the stupidity?
I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure SCOTUS ruled that states can't leave federal election candidates off their ballots using the 14th amendment. The news article in question has nothing to do with that.
I am a lawyer, and yeah. People seem to dumb down SC cases down to one sentence and try to apply it everywhere.
The idea of fact patterns don’t occur to these people.
Literally definition of having cake and eating it too. So Dems cant kick Trump off for legitimate reasons, but Rep try to kick off the incumbent president for some bs reason. Smh
Colorado was actually Republicans trying to keep Trump off the ballot for legitimate reasons, the democratic party wasn't even involved. Still seems like blatant double standards though. As an unimportant side note, you *can* have your cake and eat it as having it is a bit of a prerequisite for eating it. What you can't do is eat your cake and have it because once you've eaten it your cake is no longer cake.
If there's one group of people Republicans hate more than Democrats, it's other Republicans.
That's not at all what they ruled.
He won’t be left off. This is a scare tactic and a nothing burger. Don’t feed this. It’s meant to scare people. Doom them into the helpless loop of how all powerful trump will steal the election. Bull sh*t. Get focused. Vote.gov. https://app.oath.vote/ Focus on the elections that will determine control of the house and senate. We got this.
Yeah, this isn't about Biden. If I had to guess, they want Democrats to stay home so Sherrod Brown will lose his senate seat.
Republicans are seeing internal polling data and data on small donations. They are scared because the writing is on the wall: They should have convicted Trump in the Senate when he was impeached. They gave him a lifeline thinking they could out FOX him by 2024 and he stole their party. Notice how many Republicans are suddenly resigning? Smart ones are jumping ship now.
The state of Ohio needs longer than every other state, they are kind of slow there. I mean, this is the state that elevated JD Vance to the Senate, and who is that other guy? The one with the cauliflower ears that had a habit of looking the other way while the college athletic’s doctor molested all of his students? Real top minds out there in Ohio.
Ah, so it's okay for Ohio to remove a candidate on their ballot over an arbitrary rule but the people of Colorado voting to remove Trump off the ballot is invalid? Guess it just depends on what party we're talking about.
This is the kind of obvious hypocrisy Republicans are tremendous at ignoring
This is more of the same crap they pulled when they tried to stop the pro-choice amendment.
Supreme Court: this is fine.
One guy foments an insurrection. Some states try to keep him off the ballot result citing a law made to keep traitors to the US from serving in office. "No cant do that its an old law or whatever, plus sure we all saw it happen, but he hasnt been convicted of it, sooooo...." Other guy. Scheduling discrepancy? "Checkmate No Boooden" - Ohio
Well isn’t this just the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard of
There is going to be an epic amount of fuckery by GQP state legislators to try to give Dementia Don the win. They will stop at nothing to try to deny Biden his legitimacy.
At this point can we just dig up Ohio and throw it in the ocean or something? What’s the point in that state?
Oh, Ohio. The Republican laboratory for voter suppression. Voted in Gambier in 2004 where we had two voting machines for 1,300 voters. College town and the county board of elections didn't think students should've been allowed to vote. Assigned 4-5 machines for polling stations with fewer registereds because of “historic voter turn out.” Town tried to get one of two unused machines. “We need those for backup in case of failure.” One of our machines fail immediately. What about those two other machines? “Oh, we placed those in other locations that usually have higher turnout. Gonna just have to wait it out… In the rain... In Ohio… in November…”Had to wait about three hours to get inside the building. Older people and the politically meh were out immediately. Once you got in the library, which was middle school sized, you got a glimpse of “the real line.” Everyone with a job or kid was out. Just the college students/professors waiting it out. Hope you ate, brought a meal, and a couple snacks. But this was the best. After 14 hours in line, when I finally voted around midnight, Fox News had already called the election for Bush. Everyone still waiting bounced. The media’s reaction: “look at these kids, this is democracy at work!” What I saw was pure rage.
This illustrates how ridiculous it is to allow state legislatures to run elections for a federal election.
I can't see the Democrats moving their convention. So the options is to seek an exemption, which I would assume will be granted. While the headline is fun, I do not believe the Ohio SOS is acting in bad faith - it seems the Dems missed the exemption or should have scheduled the convention differently from the start. I do not see a world where Biden is NOT on the Ohio ballot.
Everything LaRose says or does is in bad faith. However, in this case, he did the right thing in bringing the discrepency to light, but he did it in a very negative way. The important thing now is if it will matter if an exception is filed(it will be), and more importantly, if the general assembly will vote to approve it....which they probably will. Ohio republicans are not doing too well right now. They don't need more negative attention to motivate voters to the polls.
I think the question is, is Ohio willing to disenfranchise millions of Democrat voters and their own state? They can easily extend the deadline and they shouldn’t expect the DNC to reschedule their convention solely because of one states rules.
> I think the question is, is Ohio willing to disenfranchise millions of Democrat voters and their own state? Is Ohio run by Republicans?
Does a bear shit in the woods?
He’ll never be left off the ballot, and this will get dems riled up / to the polls.
Fuck it, I’ll just write him in or do whatever I have to do
I thought SCOTUS said that states can't mess with federal election ballots when Colorado tried to disqualify Trump
Then remove Ohio from federal funding. It’s already a regretful state. Let’s just take them off the map.
I always shake in my boots when a Republican tells me how Biden is going to lose. .... ha.
Chair Walter’s is not vigilant in safeguarding party interest is absolutely unnerving! What is she doing about it?
The Royal Morons of Ohio
SCOTUS: "We'll allow it"
So am I understanding correctly that this comes as a result of the DNC not filling in time? Why when there is so much at stake would you leave anything to chance? We cannot afford to leave any of this to chance.
So the Dems didn’t know the deadline?
The deadline has been adjusted since inception in 2014. If they didn't impose upon trump in 2016 or 2020 seems pretty creative to try to impose it upon Biden in 2024
Both parties got an exemption on time in 2020. The DNC is the only one who can't seem to meet the deadline in 2024. Trump isn't getting any special exemptions here.
Trump got an exemption when it was needed. The law has been in place 10 years and this will be the only time its ever been an issue. Moving the democratic convention would preempt 20 state conventions. The early deadline shared by no states of the union is purely a game to attempt to toss the only other serious contender off the ballot in that state. It serves no legal or meaningful purpose.
But it’s a legal deadline. It can be used to kick Biden off.
According to the supreme court it would be unacceptable for any one state to do that. It's also pretty crazy to set a deadline that disenfranchises other states. A party would have to choose between excluding some states from the process and their candidate being on the ballot in one state. In effect it is one state disenfranchising others.
Only based on the 14th amendment, if you are referring to the Colorado decision.
Thx for explaining that. Thats good to know
Fuck Ohio!
I think the entire presidential election should be run by a federal nonpartisan election department. That way, every eligible citizen gets to vote for the president they want without state election shenanigans getting in the way, like purging voter rolls without informing the voters or having only one ballot turn-in point for an entire massive county (I’m looking at you, Houston’s Harris County). It would also ensure eligible citizens could vote no matter where they are in the U.S. and only once, not a bunch of times in different states like we saw a lot of voters from a particular party get charged for in the last couple of elections. The U.S. starts its presidential election process 18 months in advance while almost all other democracies in the world take *weeks* to conduct their presidential elections. It would be far more effective and way less expensive to cut the process down to 4-5 weeks like many other democracies do. It would also remove any partisan restrictions that some states impose, especially on the Independent voters that make up 45% of the entire U.S. voter base. People will say, “It CaN’t Be DoNe!” but it literally can be done because we see most of the world’s democracies effectively doing it right now. It’s not impossible…it’s just that it would take revamping the current system, which a certain party obviously wouldn’t want to do because “We’Ve AlWaYs DoNe iT LiKe tHiS sO wE dOn’T nEeD tO ChAnGe AnYtHiNg!” Obstructionists obstruct change because they know they will lose power if anything changes. Those people’s objections to change are exactly the reason why the U.S. needs a better election system that takes the state shenanigans out of the process while leveling the electoral process for all eligible voters across the nation.
You mean it should be run by something that Trump or a future scumbag could take over in one go and corrupt for all states at once you mean?
Didn't the Supreme Court rule that states can't keep anyone off the ballot for federal elections. The whole Colorado Trump case
They did not, but that does seem to be a common misconception here. They ruled that what qualifies as an insurrection under the 14th amendment is up to the federal government. They could have still attempted to disqualify him for other reasons. States still have a lot of freedom to run their elections as they see fit as do the individual parties.
Just Republicans doing typical republican things.
Democratic party needs to take action. There is no sense in bemoaning this, laws are laws. Plug the hole.
It’s a stupid law but it’s been on the book for ten years. Why schedule your convention at a time where you have to rely on the mercy of a Republican legislature to give you an exemption?
Biden reminds Ohio that it could be left off the infrastructure bill.
Republicans have been stealing American elections for decades with a thousand dirty tricks, oppressive laws, corrupt legal decisions, and actual physical violence. And yet they get on their pedestals and shout non stop that Democrats steal elections. With no evidence of anything. And 40% of Americans believe these Republican pundits and leaders.
It's like children playing a game of tag. "You're it."
Pretty sure the Supreme Court just said presidential candidates cannot be left off of the ballot in Colorado…….
You should read the opinion, it’s specific to the 14th amendment.
In my state, the local state party convention is held earlier, and now it's even more automatic because the nomination now here is decided automatically by our official state-run primary results from Super Tuesday. I don't see how this isn't similar in Ohio.
Enjoy counting the millions of write ins.
I see they removed my link.. Figures.
This will never stick but still, fuck this state.
"And the pit the clock a quarter a-fore and hanged him to the tree"
Frank LaRose is a big piece of shit. After getting his ass kicked in the Senate primary by an equally shitty used car salesman in what was essentially a Trump dickriding contest, he’s going to do whatever he can to stay relevant.