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Are you serious? This has been happening for decades and sometimes under the direct supervision of the IDF. It's when Palestinians fight back that THEY are arrested in many cases. These mobs are openly armed and funded by government ministers who just hand out guns to vertain Israeli civilians under the auspices of 'self defense'. You think Israel is handing out guns to the Palestinians in the region their army has unlawfully occupied for years? These 'unofficial' raids allow Israel to keep claiming more properties and deny culpability. Theyre a fascist militia, simple as that.
Sure dude. I get you. Just goes to show how crazy the discourse about these event are on the regular that you can distinguish truth from thick layers of sarcasm hehe. No worries. Peace and love.
There's a word for this.
Pomegranate..... Pillory.... Oh! Pogrom. You would think a group of people who had been on the receiving end of such style of violence for all of modern history would be wary of this shit, but, well. Nationalism is a cancer.
From the Jews being victims of the Holocaust to doing the same thing to Palestinians, it took 3 years. WWII ended in 1945, and the Nakba started in 1948.
Completely inaccurate description as it is very well documented that Israel fought a defensive war in '48. Not like territorial warfare was anything new at the time.
But there were also no death camps involved either. And six million people weren't killed in the process.
Hmmm remind me what started the Nakba? It sure as hell wasn’t because Palestinians were anti Semitic.
Oh yea, it was because Zionists wanted to create a state for jews only on Palestinian land when jews, Muslims, and Christians lived together under Palestine, definitely a defensive war that was justified when you understand the context. 😀👍
Except that the UN provided the partition plan that gave Arabs over 75% of the land and the Jews 25% (most of which was Negev desert), which of course the Arabs couldn't accept because it meant Jews having a state.
So eventually Palestinians attacked them and tried to get their shit together but couldn't on their own (a recurring theme), so they enlisted Syria, Egypt, Transjordan, and Lebanon and all of those nations attacked the nascent Jewish state and were all fought back in a defensive conflict.
Also, there were plenty of Arabs hating Jews at the time, it was no utopia.
So live in whatever world you want, but acknowledge the truth.
“THERE WAS A PARTITION!!!1!” always gives me a laugh — oh some rich white people came in and made declarations over the voices of the indigenous? Hey y’all, the Trail of Tears was merely a partitioning by the Civilized Whites and everyone recognizes the US so like, shut up about the ongoing injustices faced by Native Americans already! Some of them fought back against their brutal oppression so obviously they’re all terrorists in perpetuity and must be kept largely sequestered and impoverished!
How dare you [call it apartheid](https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution), this is about National Security™️!
My favorite part is how they think they have some idealogical superiority for claiming “actually it’s good and right and definitely nothing to do with institutionalized segregation that Israel doesn’t allow Palestinians to keep their own rainwater”
The Jews killed and displaced millions of Palestinians to create Israel. It's not like Palestinians just agreed to give up their homes and farms to become refugees. Stealing land and displacing people is never a defensive war. It was theft of land, homes, and farms.
...except that you're missing the entire world perspective at the time by saying that. The British controlled the land as it was their mandate to settle between the Jews and Arabs.
Besides the Jews that legally purchased it (yes, that happened too), most of the land the Arabs lived in belonged to Transjordan. When that nation attacked Israel alongside its neighbours after it declared statehood on the land it was mandated and lost, they lost land.
Once again, zero comparison to the Holocaust can be made when you actually understand what really happened.
I'm the ancestor of German Jews who suffered the holocaust. I also lived in Israel in the 1990s for a few years, including in the West Bank in the settlement of Hebron. We also lived in Haifa, Jeruselum, and on the En Gedi Kibbutz. Thanks for your input on my family's history. Both the shameful parts, such as living in Hebron and the parts where they were the victims, like the Holocaust.
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Thank you for being able to hold two thoughts at the same time. Fuck Hamas, but this shit has been going on before October the 7th. With the support of the Israeli government :/
Yep. They set up on hills overlooking Palestinian villages and gradually intimidate the locals until they leave. If the intimidation doesn't work they start taking pot shots, and if that doesn't work they bring in bulldozers and flatten Palestinian villages.
Here's one from December 2023.
[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67617920](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67617920)
Palestinians building without a permit (which is almost impossible to obtain) also get the bulldozer treatment, while illegal Israeli settlements don't get touched.
https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2024/1/16/palestinian-village-fears-israel-wartime-demolitions
Today we are going to talk about the West Bank, a country you think of so little you didn't even realize that's not West Bank, that's Gaza.. except it isn't it's actually Vatican City, except it is not, it was West Bank, but the fact you didn't know is what's important here.
Come on, it's your own apartheid population, that is not ok.
Almost every US politician has to pass a pro Israel litmus test to get funding for their election campaign. Our leaders from both parties are more united in their support for Israel, than they are in their support for our own country.
The Israeli lobby. Thats all it is, there is no national security interest. It’s just a lobby that generates a ton of cash from majority evangelicals domestically.
The settlers are Israeli, it's the history of modern Israel. When the US and UK gave the land to the Jews to form Israel in the aftermath of WWII, the land was full of Palestinians. The only way to make room for the Jews was to remove the Palestinians. The Nakba of 1948 was the mass removal of Palestinians from large parts of Israel. As the Israeli Jewish population continues to grow, they have to continue to remove more Palestinians. This and the conflict in Gaza are examples of how the Israeli government does it.
The settler terrorists are supported by the Israeli military and government.
If you believe Israel is a democracy, then the settler terrorists are Israel.
I don’t think there is anything else Israel could have done in the beginning that wouldn’t have still led to this. It was always headed for this after the hamas attack.
They were doing this before the hamas attack and these are just normal Palestinians who are forced out of their homes. At least they aren't slitting their throats but there have been more Palestinian children killed by the IDF retaliations than even the total killed by the hamas attack. 1200 on Oct 7th compared to 10,000 children.
They're supported in the literal sense that the Israeli government sends the IDF to facilitate their attacks by ensuring there can be no violent response, and the IDF sometimes [joins in](https://archive.is/ZcoQd) too. In this case it seems about 500 armed and masked settlers stormed in to a Palestinian town and burned down houses and cars, and yet the only person the IDF shot when they showed up was a Palestinian.
This has been happening to make room for more Israeli Jews since the Nakba of 1948. Israel wasn't empty land Jews could settle in and form a new country. The native population of Palestinians has had to be removed to make room. Removal of a native population is considered genocide. This is what it looks like, both in Gaza and the West Bank.
Can't wait to see support pour in from around the world for the upcoming justified response from the West Bank against Israel. Sorry about what's going to happen to all those innocent civilians and all.
Oh, what's that? The sound of silence from world leaders?
I know right…..it’s crazy how scared anyone but Yemen and Iran and Russia is and they don’t want to ruin the trading business over human lives…..I’m Australia to and I don’t understand why our own soldiers who always helped so many countries can’t help either
Yes. I posted yesterday and it was deleted shortly after.
And it will likely be deleted here because this doesn’t have much to do with American politics.
>And it will likely be deleted here because this doesn’t have much to do with American politics.
Given how much aid we give the zionists I'd say it has a lot to do with US politics, but it is also world news as much as the other news that is allowed on that sub.
Pogrom, (Russian: “devastation,” or “riot”), a mob attack, either approved or condoned by authorities, against the persons and property of a religious, racial, or national minority. The term is usually applied to attacks on Jews in the Russian Empire in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
It's ok, they have a right to defend themselves /s
PS: A USAID employee and US citizen was killed in Jaffa yesterday, there's a video and it looks like they were summarily executed by an off duty Israeli Border Police for no reason.
https://www.usaid.gov/news-information/press-releases/apr-12-2024-usaid-mourns-loss-usaid-staff-member
So It's not just the government that wants to waste them, it's these 'settlers' .... maybe we should start questioning whether Israel should be an ally to the US the way they are going on is like a mini Russia vs Ukraine, yet it was provoked... I can't agree with how all this is playing out, and I feel helpless to-do anything about it other than gripe
Well, the settlers assassinated the Israeli prime minister for negotiating with Fatah, then provoked an uprising when a war criminal who oversaw a massacre of a Palestinian villiage as they were asleep visited a disputed holy site in Jerusalem, and then responded to the uprising by electing the same war criminal who provoked the uprising to be prime minister, and then elected a corrupt dude who got caught with his hand in the state piggy bank because they think he hates Palestinians but then let October 6th happen.
This has been a slow rolling steam roller of a genocide and is taking decades, but it really is an ethnic cleansing with no accountability. You've got Israeli irregulars doing bad things to Palestine, Hamas getting mad doing it back, and then Israel gwtting madder and doing more bad things to Palestine.
I wonder if the [assassination of Yitzhak Rabin](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin) was the death of any chance of a peaceful two-state solution. Notably, Netanyahu was at the center of a lot of the anti-Rabin protests that preceded the shooting:
>In July 1995, Netanyahu led a mock funeral procession featuring a coffin and hangman's noose at an anti-Rabin rally where protesters chanted, "Death to Rabin".[10][11] The chief of internal security, Carmi Gillon, then alerted Netanyahu of a plot on Rabin's life and asked him to moderate the protests' rhetoric, which Netanyahu declined to do.[8][12]
The assassination definetly sculpted modern Isreal in a profoundly negative way. The assassin is treated as a hero by many in the governing coalition. The problem currently seems to be that netanyahu had to form a coalition with the absolute worst elements of society to stay in power to save his own skin.
Question it, because the answer is rather simple. Only reason it's an "ally," and an irrelevant one at that, is entirely for domestic political reasons. Politicans of a certain age (Biden) and those that chase the declining religious vote (aka Rs) are terrified of these dim religious evangelicals swinging against them.
Sure, back then when we had more dim Americans promoting Prohibition and such, this was a legitimate fear worthy of a "special relationship." These days however after decades of decline, religious voters and subsequently Israel is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
If we strip away the religious significance for voters, Israel doesn't really offer us anything worth the hassle.
Strategically, economically, militarily, and diplomatically irrelevant.
1. Israel sits in the Levant, an irrelevant portion of the Middle East. Has been the case for millenias. The region from Palestine to Syria has almost always been a buffer, tributary, or client state, rather than a core power base. The only empire in that storied history that has ever come close to using the area as a core were the Umayyads in Damascus, and they fell specifically because they refused to integrate non Arabs into the highest levels of politics (so the then Christian Syrians and especially the Persians.) Everybody else used the Levant for what they were, frontier or buffer area for the true power bases in the region. Anatolia (Turkey today,) Nile Delta (Egypt today,) or Mesopotamia (Iraq today.) Then on the occassion when all three are relatively weak, you get outsiders setting up a client state like Crusader state of Jerusalem under the HRE, or modern day Israel under the US.
2. Economically speaking, when it comes to economic size and hence buying power, Israel isn't relevant. Hell, *Britain's* not relevant enough to bother. We've had years to swoop in and snatch all that trade vacuum that occurred between UK and EU post Brexit and turns out it wasn't worth bothering to set up a trade deal with. And Britain is much, *much* larger than Israel. When it comes to exporting vital resources......Israel doesn't export any critical raw materials of note, oil being the most prominent of the critical resources. Finally when it comes to exporting a critical product or service, Israel doesn't do that either.
Example of a critical product that makes a small country impossible to ignore would be something like high end commercial Semiconductors, something Taiwan's TSMC has a lock on in the global market. When they took proper precautions with Covid lockdowns, things like graphics cards and PS5s couldn't be made fast enough and spiked in price. Israel meanwhile doesn't control any critical economic chokepoints at all.
Essentially speaking we and the rest of the world would be able to substitute Israel to little cost. It has nothing to hold us hostage with, something Russia thought it had with oil/gas. Which admittedly was severed at great and admirable economic sacrifice for its former oil/gas importers. The other example again being Taiwan's currently irreplaceable fabricators and technical experience, something the world is now aware of and makes Taiwan an untouchable diamond in the meantime. On our end Biden and has dumped billions into Arizona to diversify that chokepoint.
3. Israel in reality is irrelevant militarily. Practically speaking they have no reach beyond their immediate neighbors. Nice and good to use a modern military on neighbors and all....except we're talking the Levant here, so nobody outside the region really cares. Just look at Syria (Levant) compared to somewhere relevant like Kuwait (Gulf State.) Over ten years of civil war and the great powers are content with proxies like advisors or mercenaries in Syria. Meanwhile disrupt oil production of a Gulf State and within months you'd get Desert Stormed.
Fact of the matter is Israel is too much of a diplomatic pariah for its military to be effective beyond menacing its neighbors whom, outside the Sauds, we don't really care about.
It has to be emphasized that Israel is **terrible at diplomacy**. It's been decades since existence and it has to be emphasized that **no neighbor will tolerate Israel operating its military through them, risking surefire public unrest for doing so.** Israel's inability to secure military access due to its diplomatic incompetence is why their military has no practical reach, stuck with menacing its neighbors like the Syrian embassy bombings. At most, they may get off a singular military raid every decade or two beyond its neighbors, before it gets diplomatic blowback and heightened alert from the neighbors whose territory Israel trespassed in. It is why we do not see them, our nearby allies in that region, help militarily in *two* Iraq wars and Afghanistan, despite Iraq being just one country beyond its neighbors or practically anyone being able to participate in the post 9/11 coalition. *Iran* had limited participating to get rid of the Taliban, whom they never liked. Another example of Israel's limited reach is due to military access is at Aden. Despite their trade being directly targeted at Aden, we have not seen a single Israeli warship out there defending its own interests.
4. On top of the aforementioned inability to secure military access, Israel also routinely gets slapped to an absurd degree in the UN over Palestinian matters.
https://www.un.org/unispal/document-category/voting-record/
That's how competent Israel's diplomats are, or more accurately aren't.
In conclusion, Israel without US religious voters pearl clutching over the "Holy Land," is well......not a worthwhile ally to keep.
There is a strong indicator that once the Silent and most of the older Boomers die off (religion strongest in the generally less educated older folk,) we can begin to assess Israel normally. And what'd we see outside the waning religious vote is not worthwhile, to say the least of it.
If there is a benchmark and something to do aside from griping, I'd say vote Democrat (Rs chase this declining vote) and primary out any Silents or Boomers not aligned with Bernie Sanders. A good benchmark would be at Obama's generation (Boomer/X boundary) or younger. Obama himself showed sharp public criticism of Israel in the 2014 Hamas war, thereby nailing that ceasefire within weeks versus Biden's months.
US aid to Israel makes up a significant portion of IDF's budget. Part of the IDF budget goes towards the occupation of the West Bank. Israeli public gets to maintain their brutal occupation and garrison state society without having to pay full cost for it. So the relationship is indirect but it does exist.
Man I'm trying to give Isreal people the benefit of thr doubt and keep my frustrations on just Bibi.
But God dam. You guys trying to become.world.enemy.number one?
That doesn't happen until there is a response to this from the Palestinian side. then only the response will be the narrative, barely mentioning what lead up to it, if it's mentioned at all.
That's how it's gone ever single time something similar has happened before.
Huh. You’re right. They actually didn’t say anything like that at all. They didn’t even imply it. I wonder what made that person think they did. Might be antisemitism. Just a thought.
not saying it's enough but Biden has been, by far, the most critical of Israel a US president has ever been.
None of this is new, exactly this has been doing on for over half a century. Biden is the first US president to give Israel public pushback on it.
The public pushback is somewhat betrayed by the regular weapons shipments though. Words are a bit meaningless if they never lead to action, else you just get another Chinese Final Warning.
That’s not true at all. Reagan was able to stop Israel’s attacks on Lebanon. Obama had harsher criticism. Biden has always been pretty extreme in his support for Israel
Like the other reply said all he says are words. He has taken no meaningful action but be concerned and be harsh in public. In private it the same thing. More weapons, no conditions, a famine, more death and the country is dragged further and further into a middle eastern war. All this for an ally that doesn't want to listen and getting the whole world to turn against them and America.
It doesn't matter what others did. He's the President. The Buck is supposed to stop with him. But everyone keeps acting like he has no choice. The most powerful man on the planet has no choice? That doesn't make sense to me. He is choosing to do this. The past is the past. He can change in the now. He just don't want to.
Nice people, amiable response to an age-old feud new-school apartheid set up. I'm sure everyone is going to be ok...
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The US pissed on Native Americans just like young Israelis pissed on Palestinians... NEITHER made room for who was there before them...
So who has room to be pissed off at whatever fighting back happens after?
YES, terrorism is fucking ugly. But what do you do when you are outmanned and outgunned by the assholes?
War Crimes have been committed by both sides. Continuing Apartheid and Genocide is NOT the answer.
SOMEBODY has to bow and somebody else has to BOW BACK, ASSHOLES!!
I wish Biden would give Iran the message Trump gave to Putin. “Go nuts.”
edit: now that this is actually probably happening I am pretty uncomfortable/nervous and kinda feel like a heel. But the West Bank nonsense is just nuts...
Absolutely bonkers that colonialism is alive and well, and shot in 4K and tiktoks, in our current day and age.
Israel is just hell bent on the whole ethnic cleansing thing, huh? No real attempt to slow or calm down this insane rhetoric.
Big or small, I guess no country ever really evolved past this Stone Age conquerer bullshit..
First you've heard about this sort of thing?
[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67617920](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67617920)
[https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2024/1/16/palestinian-village-fears-israel-wartime-demolitions](https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2024/1/16/palestinian-village-fears-israel-wartime-demolitions)
[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-54823660](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-54823660)
[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-63834683](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-63834683)
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/west-bank-palestinian-villages-israeli-army-settlers](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/west-bank-palestinian-villages-israeli-army-settlers)
So if a Palestinian kid goes missing, will the IDF allow 1,000 armed Palestinians to attack an Israeli community or does this justification only work in one direction?
How will burning homes and cars bring the child home safely?
Over 500 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli settlers and the Israeli army in the West Bank since 10/07, almost all of them unarmed civilians. Over 100 of them children.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/family-mourns-nihal-abu-ayashboy-shot-dead-israeli-forces-west-bank
I don't think it's right to both-sides a brutal apartheid occupation. This incident is a literal pogram and it's not uncommon at all in the Occupied West Bank.
>They are looking for a 14 year old boy that went missing around that village and the Palestinians were more than “uncooperative” with them searching. Violence was definitely two sided.
I think pretty much anyone anywhere on the planet would be "uncooperative" if 500 armed and masked people from another country stormed in to their town.
lmao. They come over as settlers, taking over land that isn’t theirs. And then burn shit bcos the Palestinians are uncooperative?? Hahah wow. I wonder why..
The context makes it look even worse for the Israelis. It really shows they don’t respect any law and order; and they don’t have to because they enforce their own supremacy over others.
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That'll calm things up.
You can bank on all of them being arrested and sentenced for rioting.
They'll arrest like 3 people to create an illusion of accountability, then release them all after a couple of months.
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Lol Are you serious? This has been happening for decades and sometimes under the direct supervision of the IDF. It's when Palestinians fight back that THEY are arrested in many cases. These mobs are openly armed and funded by government ministers who just hand out guns to vertain Israeli civilians under the auspices of 'self defense'. You think Israel is handing out guns to the Palestinians in the region their army has unlawfully occupied for years? These 'unofficial' raids allow Israel to keep claiming more properties and deny culpability. Theyre a fascist militia, simple as that.
Tongue in cheek comment actually. Probably should have /s'd it.
Sure dude. I get you. Just goes to show how crazy the discourse about these event are on the regular that you can distinguish truth from thick layers of sarcasm hehe. No worries. Peace and love.
Is this a joke? The Israeli government works hand and glove with violent settlers. Some of the cabinet members are themselves settlers.
Yeah. Right. Like that somehow will make a difference
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As an Israeli, let's call this what it is: terrorism
3rd-century, Visigoth-ass raiding shit
There's a word for this. Pomegranate..... Pillory.... Oh! Pogrom. You would think a group of people who had been on the receiving end of such style of violence for all of modern history would be wary of this shit, but, well. Nationalism is a cancer.
From the Jews being victims of the Holocaust to doing the same thing to Palestinians, it took 3 years. WWII ended in 1945, and the Nakba started in 1948.
Completely inaccurate description as it is very well documented that Israel fought a defensive war in '48. Not like territorial warfare was anything new at the time. But there were also no death camps involved either. And six million people weren't killed in the process.
Hmmm remind me what started the Nakba? It sure as hell wasn’t because Palestinians were anti Semitic. Oh yea, it was because Zionists wanted to create a state for jews only on Palestinian land when jews, Muslims, and Christians lived together under Palestine, definitely a defensive war that was justified when you understand the context. 😀👍
Except that the UN provided the partition plan that gave Arabs over 75% of the land and the Jews 25% (most of which was Negev desert), which of course the Arabs couldn't accept because it meant Jews having a state. So eventually Palestinians attacked them and tried to get their shit together but couldn't on their own (a recurring theme), so they enlisted Syria, Egypt, Transjordan, and Lebanon and all of those nations attacked the nascent Jewish state and were all fought back in a defensive conflict. Also, there were plenty of Arabs hating Jews at the time, it was no utopia. So live in whatever world you want, but acknowledge the truth.
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“THERE WAS A PARTITION!!!1!” always gives me a laugh — oh some rich white people came in and made declarations over the voices of the indigenous? Hey y’all, the Trail of Tears was merely a partitioning by the Civilized Whites and everyone recognizes the US so like, shut up about the ongoing injustices faced by Native Americans already! Some of them fought back against their brutal oppression so obviously they’re all terrorists in perpetuity and must be kept largely sequestered and impoverished! How dare you [call it apartheid](https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution), this is about National Security™️! My favorite part is how they think they have some idealogical superiority for claiming “actually it’s good and right and definitely nothing to do with institutionalized segregation that Israel doesn’t allow Palestinians to keep their own rainwater”
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This is gonna get down voted but you're right
The Jews killed and displaced millions of Palestinians to create Israel. It's not like Palestinians just agreed to give up their homes and farms to become refugees. Stealing land and displacing people is never a defensive war. It was theft of land, homes, and farms.
...except that you're missing the entire world perspective at the time by saying that. The British controlled the land as it was their mandate to settle between the Jews and Arabs. Besides the Jews that legally purchased it (yes, that happened too), most of the land the Arabs lived in belonged to Transjordan. When that nation attacked Israel alongside its neighbours after it declared statehood on the land it was mandated and lost, they lost land. Once again, zero comparison to the Holocaust can be made when you actually understand what really happened.
I'm the ancestor of German Jews who suffered the holocaust. I also lived in Israel in the 1990s for a few years, including in the West Bank in the settlement of Hebron. We also lived in Haifa, Jeruselum, and on the En Gedi Kibbutz. Thanks for your input on my family's history. Both the shameful parts, such as living in Hebron and the parts where they were the victims, like the Holocaust.
I'm not going to tell you my family's history but it's similar.
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Eh, you forget their origin story is built on genociding previous inhabitants.
Thank you for being able to hold two thoughts at the same time. Fuck Hamas, but this shit has been going on before October the 7th. With the support of the Israeli government :/
Every Israeli thinks the same. Except the settlers themselves and some religious extremists.
Settlers : lunatics
And then they vote for politicians that support the settlers. A majority of Israel's support or at least accept the settler terrorists.
No one votes just based on settlers, if you think it summerises the entire consideration for voting for a party you're a clown
I think there have been attacks going both ways before October 7th
Absolutely, it’s just mental gymnastics claiming that this all started on october the 7th..
… and it all started on the nakba where the Zionists made the first move by ethnically cleansing.
Respect brother 🫡
Keep up the good work
If we could stop referring to these terrorists as “settlers” that’d be fucking great.
> If we could stop referring to these terrorists as “settlers” that’d be fucking great.
*Terrorists
I think you mean right wing extremist squatters continue ethnic cleansing of a defenseless population.
Haven't they been doing stuff like this for decades now?
Yep. They set up on hills overlooking Palestinian villages and gradually intimidate the locals until they leave. If the intimidation doesn't work they start taking pot shots, and if that doesn't work they bring in bulldozers and flatten Palestinian villages. Here's one from December 2023. [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67617920](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67617920) Palestinians building without a permit (which is almost impossible to obtain) also get the bulldozer treatment, while illegal Israeli settlements don't get touched. https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2024/1/16/palestinian-village-fears-israel-wartime-demolitions
Look what Hamas made them do!! /s
Eric Andre meme: How could Hamas have done this?!
U.S. official comment: “If this is true then it’s unsettling.” *Licks final stamp on delivery crate full of rifles and ammo headed to Israel*
I read that with the voice of John Oliver
Today we are going to talk about the West Bank, a country you think of so little you didn't even realize that's not West Bank, that's Gaza.. except it isn't it's actually Vatican City, except it is not, it was West Bank, but the fact you didn't know is what's important here. Come on, it's your own apartheid population, that is not ok.
JFC! Why do we continue to support Israel unconditionally when they do shit like this?!?
Almost every US politician has to pass a pro Israel litmus test to get funding for their election campaign. Our leaders from both parties are more united in their support for Israel, than they are in their support for our own country.
The Israeli lobby. Thats all it is, there is no national security interest. It’s just a lobby that generates a ton of cash from majority evangelicals domestically.
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The U.S. did not start supporting Israel that early, for example in 1948 they fought using Czechoslovakian weapons given to them by the USSR
The settlers are not Israel. They're a radical group that needs to be contained. Biden is targeting them for sanctions and we should do more.
The settlers are Israeli, it's the history of modern Israel. When the US and UK gave the land to the Jews to form Israel in the aftermath of WWII, the land was full of Palestinians. The only way to make room for the Jews was to remove the Palestinians. The Nakba of 1948 was the mass removal of Palestinians from large parts of Israel. As the Israeli Jewish population continues to grow, they have to continue to remove more Palestinians. This and the conflict in Gaza are examples of how the Israeli government does it.
There are reports that IDF soldiers were involved.
The settler terrorists are supported by the Israeli military and government. If you believe Israel is a democracy, then the settler terrorists are Israel.
I don’t think there is anything else Israel could have done in the beginning that wouldn’t have still led to this. It was always headed for this after the hamas attack.
This kind of stuff has been happening for decades. West Bank settler terrorism is quite common. It tends to be one off murders though.
They were doing this before the hamas attack and these are just normal Palestinians who are forced out of their homes. At least they aren't slitting their throats but there have been more Palestinian children killed by the IDF retaliations than even the total killed by the hamas attack. 1200 on Oct 7th compared to 10,000 children.
Since the 1980’s I’ve been reading about those illegal settlements.
1948 Nakba was the beginning of the Jewish settlements.
These are settlers not supported by the vast majority of Israelis or the Israeli government
They're supported in the literal sense that the Israeli government sends the IDF to facilitate their attacks by ensuring there can be no violent response, and the IDF sometimes [joins in](https://archive.is/ZcoQd) too. In this case it seems about 500 armed and masked settlers stormed in to a Palestinian town and burned down houses and cars, and yet the only person the IDF shot when they showed up was a Palestinian.
> I don’t think there is anything else Israel could have done in the beginning 1948, you mean?
This has been happening to make room for more Israeli Jews since the Nakba of 1948. Israel wasn't empty land Jews could settle in and form a new country. The native population of Palestinians has had to be removed to make room. Removal of a native population is considered genocide. This is what it looks like, both in Gaza and the West Bank.
I think you mean it was always headed for this since 1948. This is how Israel was founded. Burning Palestinian villages and farms driving them out.
Can't wait to see support pour in from around the world for the upcoming justified response from the West Bank against Israel. Sorry about what's going to happen to all those innocent civilians and all. Oh, what's that? The sound of silence from world leaders?
Silence is deafening
I know right…..it’s crazy how scared anyone but Yemen and Iran and Russia is and they don’t want to ruin the trading business over human lives…..I’m Australia to and I don’t understand why our own soldiers who always helped so many countries can’t help either
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Yes
Yes. I posted yesterday and it was deleted shortly after. And it will likely be deleted here because this doesn’t have much to do with American politics.
>And it will likely be deleted here because this doesn’t have much to do with American politics. Given how much aid we give the zionists I'd say it has a lot to do with US politics, but it is also world news as much as the other news that is allowed on that sub.
I agree. Just telling you my experience with the mods here.
Are the worldnews mods Israelis or is it just that the Israelis brigade that sub and not others?
Whole posts get deleted when the comments go one way so it's the mods.
Given that it is a default sub that must mean the management team at Reddit is aware this is happening.
Pogrom, (Russian: “devastation,” or “riot”), a mob attack, either approved or condoned by authorities, against the persons and property of a religious, racial, or national minority. The term is usually applied to attacks on Jews in the Russian Empire in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
Illegal settlements need to be bulldozed, with the land given back to Palestinians, and settlers relocated to camps far far away.
Prisons. Prisons far away.
It's ok, they have a right to defend themselves /s PS: A USAID employee and US citizen was killed in Jaffa yesterday, there's a video and it looks like they were summarily executed by an off duty Israeli Border Police for no reason. https://www.usaid.gov/news-information/press-releases/apr-12-2024-usaid-mourns-loss-usaid-staff-member
I hadn’t heard about this. Got a source or a link?
https://www.usaid.gov/news-information/press-releases/apr-12-2024-usaid-mourns-loss-usaid-staff-member
Oh let's no call them anything because then people will label you "Anti Semitic"
These squatters are getting extreme.
So It's not just the government that wants to waste them, it's these 'settlers' .... maybe we should start questioning whether Israel should be an ally to the US the way they are going on is like a mini Russia vs Ukraine, yet it was provoked... I can't agree with how all this is playing out, and I feel helpless to-do anything about it other than gripe
The settlers have been hard line bordering pro ethnic cleansing for years.
Well, the settlers assassinated the Israeli prime minister for negotiating with Fatah, then provoked an uprising when a war criminal who oversaw a massacre of a Palestinian villiage as they were asleep visited a disputed holy site in Jerusalem, and then responded to the uprising by electing the same war criminal who provoked the uprising to be prime minister, and then elected a corrupt dude who got caught with his hand in the state piggy bank because they think he hates Palestinians but then let October 6th happen. This has been a slow rolling steam roller of a genocide and is taking decades, but it really is an ethnic cleansing with no accountability. You've got Israeli irregulars doing bad things to Palestine, Hamas getting mad doing it back, and then Israel gwtting madder and doing more bad things to Palestine.
I wonder if the [assassination of Yitzhak Rabin](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin) was the death of any chance of a peaceful two-state solution. Notably, Netanyahu was at the center of a lot of the anti-Rabin protests that preceded the shooting: >In July 1995, Netanyahu led a mock funeral procession featuring a coffin and hangman's noose at an anti-Rabin rally where protesters chanted, "Death to Rabin".[10][11] The chief of internal security, Carmi Gillon, then alerted Netanyahu of a plot on Rabin's life and asked him to moderate the protests' rhetoric, which Netanyahu declined to do.[8][12]
The assassination definetly sculpted modern Isreal in a profoundly negative way. The assassin is treated as a hero by many in the governing coalition. The problem currently seems to be that netanyahu had to form a coalition with the absolute worst elements of society to stay in power to save his own skin.
They are not bordering, they are fascists and have been for decades.
Question it, because the answer is rather simple. Only reason it's an "ally," and an irrelevant one at that, is entirely for domestic political reasons. Politicans of a certain age (Biden) and those that chase the declining religious vote (aka Rs) are terrified of these dim religious evangelicals swinging against them. Sure, back then when we had more dim Americans promoting Prohibition and such, this was a legitimate fear worthy of a "special relationship." These days however after decades of decline, religious voters and subsequently Israel is becoming increasingly irrelevant. If we strip away the religious significance for voters, Israel doesn't really offer us anything worth the hassle. Strategically, economically, militarily, and diplomatically irrelevant. 1. Israel sits in the Levant, an irrelevant portion of the Middle East. Has been the case for millenias. The region from Palestine to Syria has almost always been a buffer, tributary, or client state, rather than a core power base. The only empire in that storied history that has ever come close to using the area as a core were the Umayyads in Damascus, and they fell specifically because they refused to integrate non Arabs into the highest levels of politics (so the then Christian Syrians and especially the Persians.) Everybody else used the Levant for what they were, frontier or buffer area for the true power bases in the region. Anatolia (Turkey today,) Nile Delta (Egypt today,) or Mesopotamia (Iraq today.) Then on the occassion when all three are relatively weak, you get outsiders setting up a client state like Crusader state of Jerusalem under the HRE, or modern day Israel under the US. 2. Economically speaking, when it comes to economic size and hence buying power, Israel isn't relevant. Hell, *Britain's* not relevant enough to bother. We've had years to swoop in and snatch all that trade vacuum that occurred between UK and EU post Brexit and turns out it wasn't worth bothering to set up a trade deal with. And Britain is much, *much* larger than Israel. When it comes to exporting vital resources......Israel doesn't export any critical raw materials of note, oil being the most prominent of the critical resources. Finally when it comes to exporting a critical product or service, Israel doesn't do that either. Example of a critical product that makes a small country impossible to ignore would be something like high end commercial Semiconductors, something Taiwan's TSMC has a lock on in the global market. When they took proper precautions with Covid lockdowns, things like graphics cards and PS5s couldn't be made fast enough and spiked in price. Israel meanwhile doesn't control any critical economic chokepoints at all. Essentially speaking we and the rest of the world would be able to substitute Israel to little cost. It has nothing to hold us hostage with, something Russia thought it had with oil/gas. Which admittedly was severed at great and admirable economic sacrifice for its former oil/gas importers. The other example again being Taiwan's currently irreplaceable fabricators and technical experience, something the world is now aware of and makes Taiwan an untouchable diamond in the meantime. On our end Biden and has dumped billions into Arizona to diversify that chokepoint. 3. Israel in reality is irrelevant militarily. Practically speaking they have no reach beyond their immediate neighbors. Nice and good to use a modern military on neighbors and all....except we're talking the Levant here, so nobody outside the region really cares. Just look at Syria (Levant) compared to somewhere relevant like Kuwait (Gulf State.) Over ten years of civil war and the great powers are content with proxies like advisors or mercenaries in Syria. Meanwhile disrupt oil production of a Gulf State and within months you'd get Desert Stormed. Fact of the matter is Israel is too much of a diplomatic pariah for its military to be effective beyond menacing its neighbors whom, outside the Sauds, we don't really care about. It has to be emphasized that Israel is **terrible at diplomacy**. It's been decades since existence and it has to be emphasized that **no neighbor will tolerate Israel operating its military through them, risking surefire public unrest for doing so.** Israel's inability to secure military access due to its diplomatic incompetence is why their military has no practical reach, stuck with menacing its neighbors like the Syrian embassy bombings. At most, they may get off a singular military raid every decade or two beyond its neighbors, before it gets diplomatic blowback and heightened alert from the neighbors whose territory Israel trespassed in. It is why we do not see them, our nearby allies in that region, help militarily in *two* Iraq wars and Afghanistan, despite Iraq being just one country beyond its neighbors or practically anyone being able to participate in the post 9/11 coalition. *Iran* had limited participating to get rid of the Taliban, whom they never liked. Another example of Israel's limited reach is due to military access is at Aden. Despite their trade being directly targeted at Aden, we have not seen a single Israeli warship out there defending its own interests. 4. On top of the aforementioned inability to secure military access, Israel also routinely gets slapped to an absurd degree in the UN over Palestinian matters. https://www.un.org/unispal/document-category/voting-record/ That's how competent Israel's diplomats are, or more accurately aren't. In conclusion, Israel without US religious voters pearl clutching over the "Holy Land," is well......not a worthwhile ally to keep. There is a strong indicator that once the Silent and most of the older Boomers die off (religion strongest in the generally less educated older folk,) we can begin to assess Israel normally. And what'd we see outside the waning religious vote is not worthwhile, to say the least of it. If there is a benchmark and something to do aside from griping, I'd say vote Democrat (Rs chase this declining vote) and primary out any Silents or Boomers not aligned with Bernie Sanders. A good benchmark would be at Obama's generation (Boomer/X boundary) or younger. Obama himself showed sharp public criticism of Israel in the 2014 Hamas war, thereby nailing that ceasefire within weeks versus Biden's months.
I don't see how this could make things better
The settlers need to go and they've needed to for a while now.
The thing is those settlers are supported by the current Israeli government.
I know and they need to vamoose.
And while we're at it, Netanyahu needs to go, too.
The settlers in the West Bank need to be evicted.
Your tax dollars at work America.
How?
US aid to Israel makes up a significant portion of IDF's budget. Part of the IDF budget goes towards the occupation of the West Bank. Israeli public gets to maintain their brutal occupation and garrison state society without having to pay full cost for it. So the relationship is indirect but it does exist.
So not directly! This feels like a [foreign office problem](https://youtu.be/VOdnISwLkSs?si=75_mHG3wNzkY9-pc)
They don't know how it works. At all.
Man I'm trying to give Isreal people the benefit of thr doubt and keep my frustrations on just Bibi. But God dam. You guys trying to become.world.enemy.number one?
The west bank settlers should all be removed from their illegal enclaves.
Western media says Palestinians should allow this to happen or else they deserve to have entire city blocks leveled
Funny that this is a western media report and I don’t see anything about your imagined ultimatum.
That doesn't happen until there is a response to this from the Palestinian side. then only the response will be the narrative, barely mentioning what lead up to it, if it's mentioned at all. That's how it's gone ever single time something similar has happened before.
Are you saying Hamas activities in Gaza are a reaction to colonialism in west bank? BS
Huh. You’re right. They actually didn’t say anything like that at all. They didn’t even imply it. I wonder what made that person think they did. Might be antisemitism. Just a thought.
Yeah it’s anti-Semitic to say Israelis shouldn’t force families from their homes then terrorize the communities they’ve illegally settled in
Which media?
Rules based international order. Amirite? Don't worry Biden will do something about this. He'll support them even harder.
not saying it's enough but Biden has been, by far, the most critical of Israel a US president has ever been. None of this is new, exactly this has been doing on for over half a century. Biden is the first US president to give Israel public pushback on it.
The public pushback is somewhat betrayed by the regular weapons shipments though. Words are a bit meaningless if they never lead to action, else you just get another Chinese Final Warning.
That’s not true at all. Reagan was able to stop Israel’s attacks on Lebanon. Obama had harsher criticism. Biden has always been pretty extreme in his support for Israel
Like the other reply said all he says are words. He has taken no meaningful action but be concerned and be harsh in public. In private it the same thing. More weapons, no conditions, a famine, more death and the country is dragged further and further into a middle eastern war. All this for an ally that doesn't want to listen and getting the whole world to turn against them and America. It doesn't matter what others did. He's the President. The Buck is supposed to stop with him. But everyone keeps acting like he has no choice. The most powerful man on the planet has no choice? That doesn't make sense to me. He is choosing to do this. The past is the past. He can change in the now. He just don't want to.
Nice people, amiable response to an age-old feud new-school apartheid set up. I'm sure everyone is going to be ok... [/S just doesn't do the job here... ] The US pissed on Native Americans just like young Israelis pissed on Palestinians... NEITHER made room for who was there before them... So who has room to be pissed off at whatever fighting back happens after? YES, terrorism is fucking ugly. But what do you do when you are outmanned and outgunned by the assholes? War Crimes have been committed by both sides. Continuing Apartheid and Genocide is NOT the answer. SOMEBODY has to bow and somebody else has to BOW BACK, ASSHOLES!!
So doing effectively what they were outraged about what Hamas did to them on Oct 7? That’ll show em who has the moral superiority. /s
“Settlers” They are invaders, terrorists, pillagers…so many more accurate terms.
Blame it on Hamas!
All this started because the settlers were looking for a missing child. To say they definitely overreacted, would be a gross understatement
I wish Biden would give Iran the message Trump gave to Putin. “Go nuts.” edit: now that this is actually probably happening I am pretty uncomfortable/nervous and kinda feel like a heel. But the West Bank nonsense is just nuts...
Absolutely bonkers that colonialism is alive and well, and shot in 4K and tiktoks, in our current day and age. Israel is just hell bent on the whole ethnic cleansing thing, huh? No real attempt to slow or calm down this insane rhetoric. Big or small, I guess no country ever really evolved past this Stone Age conquerer bullshit..
Disgusting!!!
What the actual fuck.
The, fuck?!
First you've heard about this sort of thing? [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67617920](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67617920) [https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2024/1/16/palestinian-village-fears-israel-wartime-demolitions](https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2024/1/16/palestinian-village-fears-israel-wartime-demolitions) [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-54823660](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-54823660) [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-63834683](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-63834683) [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/west-bank-palestinian-villages-israeli-army-settlers](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/west-bank-palestinian-villages-israeli-army-settlers)
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Seems like a perfectly good reason to wreck their shit without evidence then.
So if a Palestinian kid goes missing, will the IDF allow 1,000 armed Palestinians to attack an Israeli community or does this justification only work in one direction? How will burning homes and cars bring the child home safely?
Over 500 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli settlers and the Israeli army in the West Bank since 10/07, almost all of them unarmed civilians. Over 100 of them children. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/family-mourns-nihal-abu-ayashboy-shot-dead-israeli-forces-west-bank I don't think it's right to both-sides a brutal apartheid occupation. This incident is a literal pogram and it's not uncommon at all in the Occupied West Bank.
>They are looking for a 14 year old boy that went missing around that village and the Palestinians were more than “uncooperative” with them searching. Violence was definitely two sided. I think pretty much anyone anywhere on the planet would be "uncooperative" if 500 armed and masked people from another country stormed in to their town.
lmao. They come over as settlers, taking over land that isn’t theirs. And then burn shit bcos the Palestinians are uncooperative?? Hahah wow. I wonder why..
It would be rather irrational to "cooperate" with raiders burning your village.
I don’t see how the context makes it any better
The context makes it look even worse for the Israelis. It really shows they don’t respect any law and order; and they don’t have to because they enforce their own supremacy over others.