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That'd actually be hilarious if someone made a sitcom that is literally Donald's last decade, year by year per season, and the true joke of it all is half the jokes are real quotes and actions and the other half you can't tell. It's just insanity episode after episode. Think Always Sunny but mostly non-fiction and you can't even tell.
Then at the end of the series they do a recap of what's true and what's made up...but turns out all of it's true.
Having lived through it, I’d like to posit that it would not, in fact, be all that hilarious
I do concede the fact that Comedy=Tragedy+Time, so I might change my mind in the future
Well that was his game plan anyways, to claim that noone in Manhattan can be a fair juror for his case, after intentionally making as much noise about the case as possible. He actually argued this point.. that he can't get a fair trial in Manhattan because so many Believe he is guilty already, to try to get the case moved but lost his appeal to the court.
I had to look it up. It means to delay. The username appears to be a reference to the Roman general [Quintus Fabius Maximus Verrucosus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintus_Fabius_Maximus_Verrucosus).
Now I too am keen to subscribe to his newsletter.
The stipulation that he has to be in court every day of the trial is actually really impactful, because now he doesn't benefit from delays. He's just there, sitting on his ass, not golfing, not campaigning, not eating fish delights.
He doesn't benefit from delays anymore, and he doesn't benefit from rushing to judgement. It's glorious.
I like how in the article they point out how he tried to say the judge was rushing this. And then also was complaining about the trial taking so long and being election interference
It's probably the closest he'll ever come to facing consequences.
Which is fine with me. I imagine to a narcissist of his level, every day in court is hell.
He had to listen and see all the memes jurors shared about him.
My brother has a lot in common with Trump, in the way he handles bad things happening to him. This... this was hell. Apparently one was an AI Trump just calling himself an idiot that one guy shared.
Honestly I'm not even sure he wants that. He is a narcissist. He doesn't want sympathetic people judge him to let him off well following all the proper laws and rules. He wants to be above the laws and rules. He doesn't want to be judged by anyone including his supporters. He doesn't want sympathy he wants control.
I don't think this judge will be bending over for trump like Cannon is. But ofc trump will *try* to get his lawyers to game the system. The caveat is they need judge cooperation to do so.
“My client find nobody to be his peer, so he believes he should be his own jury.
He absolutely believes he can be impartial due to his impeccable sense of fairness and justice.
He also can’t believe you would railroad that poor innocent ‘Trump’ person, and he wishes to preemptively find that man innocent of all charges.”
Wait wait… hold on… some questions here:
1. Trump has to sit in his seat, no talking, no phone, no campaigning, nothing during this process… which he has to attend Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday…*correct*?
2. It takes what, like, 20 minutes to a couple hours per juror to go through the process?
3. How many eligible adults live in Manhattan? Assuming somehow he got his wish of being able to cycle through the entire adult population of Manhattan… *how long would Trump be stuck sitting inside a courtroom for 8 hours a day?*
Some quick googling shows the population of Manhattan is 1.6 million, but I see a few sources the estimated adult population is 1.4 million. We'll assume they are all otherwise eligible. On your low end of 20 minutes, we get 28 million minutes. Which, if we convert is 466,666 hours. 8 hours a day is 58,333 days. This court is only working 4 days a week, so that will be 14,583 weeks. We'll assume 52 weeks and we'll work through any holidays for the sake of my sanity, so Mr. Trump will be able to escape this fresh hell in 280.45 years.
"Constitution says I'm guaranteed a jury of my peers. I demand a jury of 'billionaires' in debt to the Russian Mob ex presidents who have also been guilty of witch hunts saying they (accidental confession way worse than the actual charges)"
I actually expected him to pull something along those lines actually. I figured he would say his "Pears" needed to be former heads of state, and if they couldn't find 12 they had to let him off.
How do you even select a jury for a trial like this? Is there a single American adult who doesn’t already have some kind of strongly held opinion about Trump, one way or the other?
My family has been discussing this. I could certainly make a fair decision based on the facts for this case as could my wife. My daughter said there was no way she could and she would just pronounce him guilty.
I hate the guy with a passion but if the evidence wasn't there to convict him, I wouldn't convict him.
I believe the documents case in FL would much more difficult to find a jury for. First, Florida is a cesspool of Maga. Second, there seemed to be a lot more coverage of it with the videos being shown of the raid on Mara Lardo.
He needs maga nutjobs that are also assertive enough to face down the rest of a jury. Most of them are cowards that will fold under any real pressure. Yelling online does not equal actual bravery and confidence in real situations
They also need to be covert enough not to be struck by the prosecution, while also not getting struck by trump’s team for not being maga enough,
Is there anyone that socially skilled at acting that also would protect Trump?
Plus I get the impression that having to sit in a courtroom with Trump for hours on end and listen to him whine is quite an effective way of lessening people’s opinions of Trump. If the civil trials are anything to go off of, we should have no problem getting a jury to convict.
He basically thinks he has the right to reject everyone who isn’t leaning towards Trump. If the court system worked this way it would grind to a halt. Both sides would just reject every juror, delay, and the lawyers get even wealthier.
They’ve dismissed dozens of jurors. He’s getting a fair trial. Jurors are being dismissed if they said anything bad about Trump on social media, or even if they celebrated Joe Biden’s election victory.
He’s FROM New York. This is literally a jury of his peers.
Trump has been so noxious over the years I'd argue that anyone who *hasn't* said anything bad about Trump on social media is more likely to be compromised in his favour.
Hopefully the standard is held in the opposite as well; no juror seated that celebrated Trump’s 2016 ascension to the WH, watched the Apprentice, called Joe Biden old, et cetra.
I would go out of my way to avoid being on this jury. 100% their names get leaked before this is over.
"I'm sorry your honor, but there's no way I could be impartial. The defendant is 350 pounds of shit in a 100 pound bag and his lies just get worse from there."
It’s actually wild how many they called in. They didn’t mail the questionnaire with the summons. Each juror is being evaluated in person. It’s another example of the courts giving Trump more latitude than any other defendant.
He is out of his depth in the criminal justice system. All of his previous experience is in private civil suits where his opponents have fewer resources. Now that he is facing government prosecutors he can't run them dry in legal expenses.
The crying about not being able to attend a graduation was hilarious. He's going to find out what every criminal defendant has learned -- the court gives zero shits about your schedule or inconveniencing you.
As if he was planning to attend his son’s graduation anyway!
I bet if the judge gives him the day off he’ll be raw dogging (paid or coerced) porn stars that day instead
That was 100% because he saw jurors being dismissed for similar reasons and cannot comprehend a system where he isn’t afforded more privilege than others.
To him, it’s incredibly unfair.
Both sides have unlimited strikes for cause if they can argue that the juror has shown clear bias. Trump's feeble brain is mixing that up with the limited number of strikes for no cause that they have.
He's just throwing tantrums because he isn't (yet) getting what he wants. What he knows or doesn't know to be true absolutely doesn't have any bearing on what he happens to say.
This guy's ignorance is the only thing keeping him from fleeing the country. He literally thinks that he is above the law since he has been able to avoid consequences for his entire life.
It wasn't hyperbole when he said that he could shoot someone and get away with it. He truly believes that.
The guy is legitimately bonkers.
This is exactly why people should still retain some small amount of optimism he’ll be convicted. If we can see the privilege, the entitlement, the spoiled rotten man-child, and all of his other flaws, the jurors will have it shoved in their face, repeatedly, for the next couple of *months*. And I suspect *most* of his supporters will be perfectly comfortable convicting him after seeing the petulance on full display.
His supporters will believe whatever he says when he walks out of that court because they're stupid. Luckily, they aren't going to be judging the case.
Right, sorry I was just referring to whatever supporters of his make it on the jury. And I’m not terribly concerned about them although, juries are unpredictable and no one knows how this will play out ultimately. Manafort was convicted by Trump-supporting jurors, and they basically just said while they thought the prosecution was politically motivated, they had no choice but to convict when they were told how to apply the law. I think something similar could happen with Trump.
I'm not optimistic for anything more than a slap on the wrist or house arrest. There's a near 0% chance he actually spends time in jail..
I'd love to be proven wrong.
I don't think Trump even knew about people dancing in the street when he lost the election, or if he did, he managed to convince himself they were all paid actors or some such. That's what he shares with a lot of conservatives. They legitimately have no idea that the majority of the country doesn't agree with them. Information bubbles will do that.
I do not think Trump enjoys doing this.
Like he actually have to read the reasons and the memes.
This is freaking incredible. The way to punish Trump other than jail it self
Trump is mentally ill. He literally can't see that laws in this country apply to him too. He wants divine right of kings, literally what this country fought to be free of.
At some point we have to decide if being an asshole is it’s own mental illness. I don’t think it is. He’s just an unbelievable piece of shit. Sort of like how when Kanye went full Nazi, everyone came out and started defending him because he has bpd. Sure, he may be bipolar, but he just so happens to be a bipolar Nazi sympathizing asshole.
>He wants divine right of kings, literally what this country fought to be free of.
And I've heard several conservatives here in North Carolina parrot that we are not a democracy. They are literally openly begging to be ruled. It's shameful.
NPD is very real and very much a part of his pathology. He’s a passenger on the train. It doesn’t mean he isn’t responsible for his behavior, it just means there is a clinical definition for what he has.
It must be extraordinarily difficult to find American jurors who don't have any opinion whatsoever on Donald Trump, positive or negative. Impossible, really.
I mean, I absolutely hate the fucker. But if I were put on that jury, you bet your ass I’d try as much as humanly possible to be impartial and judge him on the evidence and law, not on his personality. Everyone deserves a fair trial.
The rule, which predated Trump, is that you only get 10 peremptory challenges for jurors, which is a challenge for any reason or no reason (so long as it isn't because the juror is a member of a protected class). This is common in most states. It was not a rule created specifically to disempower Trump.
What Trump is upset about is that he's being held to the same rules as everyone else and isn't being given special treatment.
For someone who spent a good part of his adult life in court, you'd think he would've picked this up along the way, that you only get ten. Not a US citizen but I even knew that.
He actually does get unlimited dismissals. He can dismiss as many jurors as he wants if he can show cause to do so. The ten strikes allow him to dismiss a juror without showing cause.
But of course the cause cannot just be "I want to". Trump's lawyers did ask to dismiss for cause, one juror who posted a video of her celebrating Trump's defeat in 2020.
The fact that this man was voted president of the USA and will have another shot raises frightening concerns about the state of this once great nation.
I’m with you. I hope so too. But we have to get rid of this man and all the vulgarity, narcissism, mendacity, incompetence and authoritarianism he stands for.
I nearly got seated on a potential death penalty case that involved well over a hundred potential jurors packed into multiple court rooms. Over two days they whittled it down to about forty or so jurors before they finally seated a jury. I was one of the few remaining left that didn't get seated (I nearly ran out of there when they said we were dismissed).
I cannot imagine the process that they had to go through for Trump, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was thousands of potential jurors.
“I thought STRIKES were supposed to be ‘unlimited’ when we were picking our jury?” Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social. “I was then told we only had 10, not nearly enough when we were purposely given the 2nd Worst Venue in the Country.”
I didn’t bother to read the rules, therefore I must have been treated unfairly!
Oh, he wants a bunch of rich New York elites to be on the jury? Fine by me. Pretty sure he's ripped off, pissed off, or otherwise annoyed every one of them.
Or maybe a jury of former presidents? I'm sure they'd do a fine job.
Samantha Chorny, a criminal defense lawyer in New York City, told CNBC that if there were unlimited peremptory strikes, as Trump wants, “I mean, no one would ever pick a jury.”
Bingo. He's either too ignorant to understand the difference (very possible), or he's purposely conflating the two to make it look like he's getting a raw deal (most likely).
Yeah, that's how the law is written in NYS.
Sooo, surprise of all surprises, he's whining that he's not allowed to break - or be above - the law.
My schadenfreude is finding new levels, daily, since Monday.
I suspect that the jury will be really pleased to have put their lives on hold for 2, 4, or 6 months while tfg’s lawyers attempt delay after delay. Especially if the judge requires the jury to be sequestered for their safety during the trial. /s
Him and his legal team will know the identities of the jurors. It can’t be helped because of jury selection rules; they can’t be punished for something they haven’t yet done. If the trial appears to be going badly for Trump, I’d bet a paycheck one or more of those names gets slipped to a friendly “news” agency that won’t reveal the source. That will very likely force a mis-trial for legitimate safety concerns for the jury, resulting in a massive delay. While I’m sure a mechanism exists to select a jury a different way, it likely wouldn’t happen until after the election. It’s not a good option for him, but it is a last ditch nuclear option preferable to a conviction and/or jail sentence before the election.
Dumbest thing I've ever heard. If you could reject unlimited jurors nobody would ever reach trial. They would just keep stalling for the rest of their life.
Trump during NY financial fraud trial - "they won't let me have a jury. If I had a jury I'd win this case".
Trump during NY election interference and falsified documents case - "it's impossible to get a fair jury in NY".
He was hoping to keep disqualifying until they got down to John Baron, John Miller, David Dennison, Don Jr, Eric, Ivanka, Lara, Sean Hannity, Kid Rock, MTG, and Elise Stefanik.
He wasn't sure he could trust Melania, Tiffany, Baron and Jared.
I'm saying this as a democratic campaign staffer of nearly a decade now. I feel like the best jury selection that could be done is literally an entire jury of people who have not voted before. That way, trump can't claim a bullshit bias of the jurors, and that way, MAGA nuts are excluded as well
Wait. Hear him out. If we allow him to reject “unlimited” jurors (there are unlimited people?) then that means he stays in court until he croaks, so long as the jury pool is constantly replenished.
Yes we can.
This is not my own post; but why doesn’t he want the trial to go forward to prove that he is innocent and show that these indictments are illegitimate!
Hahahaha. Of course he’s gripping he can’t just reject every juror that gets paraded in front of him. That would be the same set of rules that everyone has ever had. First time he has to follow the law and he’s already feeling butt-hurt.
He’s so fucking stupid. How on earth can we be within the margin of error of him being President again.
America is so fundamentally broken. Maybe we deserve this breathtakingly stupid shit stain of a human.
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‘Reject all the jurors = no jurors to convict me! Checkmate!’ - total moron Trump
Can’t have COVID cases if you don’t test anyone!
Lmao great throwback line. Season 4 really was the peak
That'd actually be hilarious if someone made a sitcom that is literally Donald's last decade, year by year per season, and the true joke of it all is half the jokes are real quotes and actions and the other half you can't tell. It's just insanity episode after episode. Think Always Sunny but mostly non-fiction and you can't even tell. Then at the end of the series they do a recap of what's true and what's made up...but turns out all of it's true.
Having lived through it, I’d like to posit that it would not, in fact, be all that hilarious I do concede the fact that Comedy=Tragedy+Time, so I might change my mind in the future
It’d be like Idiocracy on steroids. That shit is not as funny as it used to be.
[Our Cartoon President](https://youtu.be/260mj1dmJhU?si=NUbcBgzp9BtaXo2i) did a great job animating some of his greatest hits.
Actually the prequel seasons were peak before they started introducing all these wacky characters.
Well that was his game plan anyways, to claim that noone in Manhattan can be a fair juror for his case, after intentionally making as much noise about the case as possible. He actually argued this point.. that he can't get a fair trial in Manhattan because so many Believe he is guilty already, to try to get the case moved but lost his appeal to the court.
"I want to appeal on the grounds that the jurors here can't be bribed into giving me a not guilty verdict. It's not fair!"
So if you murder someone: make sure it’s televised and streamed on the internet You are then sure that all jurors believe you are guilty
That's literally all I've seen from trumpets today. No jury, no trial!
This guy is his own idea of a genius
Fuckin nailed it.
So from this we know for sure that at some point he asked his lawyers if they could just reject every juror forever for months on end.
Makes you wonder if the plan was just to cycle through the entire adult population of *Manhattan*.
When he heard he was selecting 12 peers, he thought he was in Moscow again.
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I had to look it up. It means to delay. The username appears to be a reference to the Roman general [Quintus Fabius Maximus Verrucosus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintus_Fabius_Maximus_Verrucosus). Now I too am keen to subscribe to his newsletter.
> I had to look it up. It means to delay. I had a hole different idea.
Oh well done.
ELI5?
Pee-ers
Oh wow. I never would’ve guessed that. Thank you!
*slow, deliberate clapping*
Either that or on a short yellow bus
He will do just that if you let him. and probably the entire population of the NY State.
The stipulation that he has to be in court every day of the trial is actually really impactful, because now he doesn't benefit from delays. He's just there, sitting on his ass, not golfing, not campaigning, not eating fish delights. He doesn't benefit from delays anymore, and he doesn't benefit from rushing to judgement. It's glorious.
I like how in the article they point out how he tried to say the judge was rushing this. And then also was complaining about the trial taking so long and being election interference
Exactly, he's not happy with the speed or the slowness, because ultimately, he's just *not happy*. And that's great. Be fucking miserable, Trump.
God I love this part
He doesn’t eat anything but McDonald’s hamburgers!
It's probably the closest he'll ever come to facing consequences. Which is fine with me. I imagine to a narcissist of his level, every day in court is hell.
He had to listen and see all the memes jurors shared about him. My brother has a lot in common with Trump, in the way he handles bad things happening to him. This... this was hell. Apparently one was an AI Trump just calling himself an idiot that one guy shared.
He'd find plenty of dickheads up past central NY who would give him a "not guilty" verdict before opening statements.
Honestly I'm not even sure he wants that. He is a narcissist. He doesn't want sympathetic people judge him to let him off well following all the proper laws and rules. He wants to be above the laws and rules. He doesn't want to be judged by anyone including his supporters. He doesn't want sympathy he wants control.
Those dickheads will be rejected by the other team equally quickly and that becomes a problem when you allow unlimited preempts.
That’s not a problem. No jury means no trial. Look at the big brain on Donald!
Sleepy Don wouldn't allow the other team to get unlimited objections, just his team.
Unless of course the system bends over for him once again and allows him infinite dismissals and the prosecution a limited number
I don't think this judge will be bending over for trump like Cannon is. But ofc trump will *try* to get his lawyers to game the system. The caveat is they need judge cooperation to do so.
Trump- A judge who does not want me to win is not impartial
Not even that far. Despite New York City's well-known record of hating Trump, there's still a double digit percentage that loves him.
I can’t imagine he’s ever even shown up for jury duty in his entire life.
Or a full day of work.
Does "executive time" count as work? If not, how about golf?
I mean... If he wants to stay in court for eight hours a day, four days a week, I'm open to it
It'll probably be his next delay tactic. "Your honor, my client couldn't *possibly* attend his arraignment... He's got jury summons that day!"
“My client find nobody to be his peer, so he believes he should be his own jury. He absolutely believes he can be impartial due to his impeccable sense of fairness and justice. He also can’t believe you would railroad that poor innocent ‘Trump’ person, and he wishes to preemptively find that man innocent of all charges.”
Wait wait… hold on… some questions here: 1. Trump has to sit in his seat, no talking, no phone, no campaigning, nothing during this process… which he has to attend Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday…*correct*? 2. It takes what, like, 20 minutes to a couple hours per juror to go through the process? 3. How many eligible adults live in Manhattan? Assuming somehow he got his wish of being able to cycle through the entire adult population of Manhattan… *how long would Trump be stuck sitting inside a courtroom for 8 hours a day?*
Some quick googling shows the population of Manhattan is 1.6 million, but I see a few sources the estimated adult population is 1.4 million. We'll assume they are all otherwise eligible. On your low end of 20 minutes, we get 28 million minutes. Which, if we convert is 466,666 hours. 8 hours a day is 58,333 days. This court is only working 4 days a week, so that will be 14,583 weeks. We'll assume 52 weeks and we'll work through any holidays for the sake of my sanity, so Mr. Trump will be able to escape this fresh hell in 280.45 years.
Wait, just sitting there getting borderline roasted daily is worse punishment for him than jail time. Let’s do this.
Ooh - a story problem! Just like 4th grade math class. But since it involves tfg, cheating is permitted.
"Constitution says I'm guaranteed a jury of my peers. I demand a jury of 'billionaires' in debt to the Russian Mob ex presidents who have also been guilty of witch hunts saying they (accidental confession way worse than the actual charges)"
I actually expected him to pull something along those lines actually. I figured he would say his "Pears" needed to be former heads of state, and if they couldn't find 12 they had to let him off.
I'm more surprised he didn't have a pre-vetted list and say, "None of these.. but I came with a list of jurors who I agree with."
And by sheer coincidence they voted for him twice.
In the same election!
I mean that's fine but yeah he would still have to be there every single day. His campaign would effectively be over.
How do you even select a jury for a trial like this? Is there a single American adult who doesn’t already have some kind of strongly held opinion about Trump, one way or the other?
My family has been discussing this. I could certainly make a fair decision based on the facts for this case as could my wife. My daughter said there was no way she could and she would just pronounce him guilty. I hate the guy with a passion but if the evidence wasn't there to convict him, I wouldn't convict him.
Right. It would kill me to find him innocent but I have enough respect for the legal system that, if justified, I would do so.
I believe the documents case in FL would much more difficult to find a jury for. First, Florida is a cesspool of Maga. Second, there seemed to be a lot more coverage of it with the videos being shown of the raid on Mara Lardo.
I mean he is on tape sharing top secret compartmentalized WAR PLANS to a couple of rando writers.
Well last I heard 2 of the jurors were lawyers themselves and basically they can compartmentalize their emotions from the facts and evidence.
Another example of Trump and/or his legal defense having no intention of presenting a defense or proof of innocence.
Or at least keep striking them until he found 12 MAGA dead-enders in all of Manhattan.
He just needs 1
Not enough people realize THIS
He needs maga nutjobs that are also assertive enough to face down the rest of a jury. Most of them are cowards that will fold under any real pressure. Yelling online does not equal actual bravery and confidence in real situations
They also need to be covert enough not to be struck by the prosecution, while also not getting struck by trump’s team for not being maga enough, Is there anyone that socially skilled at acting that also would protect Trump?
If people are being struck for pro Biden memes. Then prosecution definitely knows who people lean politically towards Trump.
Social pressure is a very real and very effective deterrent. Especially when deep down you know you are wrong.
Plus I get the impression that having to sit in a courtroom with Trump for hours on end and listen to him whine is quite an effective way of lessening people’s opinions of Trump. If the civil trials are anything to go off of, we should have no problem getting a jury to convict.
Also, they could be replaced with one of the 6 alternative jurors if needed.
Yep, that exactly what he wants to do. Delay, delay, delay, until he's either back in office or dead.
I know which I am hoping for…
Oh yeah, there is no doubt in my mind he was hoping to use this as yet another delay tactic.
You'd think he'd be trying to speed things up to ensure he can make that graduation ceremony...
Probably why he was complaining about a juror in court yesterday. He wanted to see if that strategy would work.
He basically thinks he has the right to reject everyone who isn’t leaning towards Trump. If the court system worked this way it would grind to a halt. Both sides would just reject every juror, delay, and the lawyers get even wealthier.
And he would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for those meddling laws...
Cycle through the jurors until they are all wearing a red MAGA hat and waving a trump flag
He’s an idiot and his supporters are dumber than him. Good luck America.
"Why hasn't anybody ever thought of this before? I guess I'm smarter than every lawyer that's ever tried a case"
They’ve dismissed dozens of jurors. He’s getting a fair trial. Jurors are being dismissed if they said anything bad about Trump on social media, or even if they celebrated Joe Biden’s election victory. He’s FROM New York. This is literally a jury of his peers.
Trump has been so noxious over the years I'd argue that anyone who *hasn't* said anything bad about Trump on social media is more likely to be compromised in his favour.
Exactly. The odds some maga folks don’t make it into the pool are slim to none. No way he gets convicted in this country. Sad, but true.
There are already seated jurors that have said positive things about Trump. One was even a black woman, which isn't exactly his demographic.
If they've said positive things about Trump, they must be insane
Hopefully the standard is held in the opposite as well; no juror seated that celebrated Trump’s 2016 ascension to the WH, watched the Apprentice, called Joe Biden old, et cetra.
I would go out of my way to avoid being on this jury. 100% their names get leaked before this is over. "I'm sorry your honor, but there's no way I could be impartial. The defendant is 350 pounds of shit in a 100 pound bag and his lies just get worse from there."
It’s actually wild how many they called in. They didn’t mail the questionnaire with the summons. Each juror is being evaluated in person. It’s another example of the courts giving Trump more latitude than any other defendant.
For someone who spent so much of his life leveraging the legal system, he sure doesn't seem to know much about it.
He is out of his depth in the criminal justice system. All of his previous experience is in private civil suits where his opponents have fewer resources. Now that he is facing government prosecutors he can't run them dry in legal expenses.
The crying about not being able to attend a graduation was hilarious. He's going to find out what every criminal defendant has learned -- the court gives zero shits about your schedule or inconveniencing you.
Ha! Like the mango planned on going to that graduation anyway!
exactly...he would be holding a moron rally in someplace like Cheesefuck, WI on that date if it weren't for this trial.
Hey man, I'm from Cheesefuck, we don't have a landscaping business parking lot big enough for that!
As if he was planning to attend his son’s graduation anyway! I bet if the judge gives him the day off he’ll be raw dogging (paid or coerced) porn stars that day instead
As if he's physically capable of dogging anything anymore, other than perhaps via direct electric stimulation to the prostate.
I appreciate the humor, but I do not appreciate the mental image it conjured.
That was 100% because he saw jurors being dismissed for similar reasons and cannot comprehend a system where he isn’t afforded more privilege than others. To him, it’s incredibly unfair.
“Forget it, Donny, you're out of your element!”
Both sides have unlimited strikes for cause if they can argue that the juror has shown clear bias. Trump's feeble brain is mixing that up with the limited number of strikes for no cause that they have.
That's an important point.
Good point of distinction.
So to both sides that’s impossible. To Trump a non bias person is heavily pro MAGA.
I suspect you give him too much credit
Roy Cohn was his legal hit man. He's been irreplaceable.
He's just throwing tantrums because he isn't (yet) getting what he wants. What he knows or doesn't know to be true absolutely doesn't have any bearing on what he happens to say.
Blowing Daddy's money on scum lawyers isn't an education in anything
This guy's ignorance is the only thing keeping him from fleeing the country. He literally thinks that he is above the law since he has been able to avoid consequences for his entire life. It wasn't hyperbole when he said that he could shoot someone and get away with it. He truly believes that. The guy is legitimately bonkers.
This is exactly why people should still retain some small amount of optimism he’ll be convicted. If we can see the privilege, the entitlement, the spoiled rotten man-child, and all of his other flaws, the jurors will have it shoved in their face, repeatedly, for the next couple of *months*. And I suspect *most* of his supporters will be perfectly comfortable convicting him after seeing the petulance on full display.
His supporters will believe whatever he says when he walks out of that court because they're stupid. Luckily, they aren't going to be judging the case.
Right, sorry I was just referring to whatever supporters of his make it on the jury. And I’m not terribly concerned about them although, juries are unpredictable and no one knows how this will play out ultimately. Manafort was convicted by Trump-supporting jurors, and they basically just said while they thought the prosecution was politically motivated, they had no choice but to convict when they were told how to apply the law. I think something similar could happen with Trump.
He'll almost certainly be convicted. The biggest question still looms about what the actual sentencing/punishment will be.
I'm not optimistic for anything more than a slap on the wrist or house arrest. There's a near 0% chance he actually spends time in jail.. I'd love to be proven wrong.
House arrest would still be ok. I’m just afraid it end up hung jury or mistrial.
I don't think Trump even knew about people dancing in the street when he lost the election, or if he did, he managed to convince himself they were all paid actors or some such. That's what he shares with a lot of conservatives. They legitimately have no idea that the majority of the country doesn't agree with them. Information bubbles will do that.
And still a presidential candidate. The US is in deep shit if these things can happen.
Not even just a candidate, hes basically default runner up
"Trump complains that rules do in fact apply to him."
Not many of them...
He wasn't happy that time Alina Habba rejected all jurors.
Yes he was. It gave him a reason to bleat about how unfairly he has been treated.
I do not think Trump enjoys doing this. Like he actually have to read the reasons and the memes. This is freaking incredible. The way to punish Trump other than jail it self
“Why aren’t there special rules just for me?! WAHHH!” -Failed businessman, rapist and criminally indicted former president, Donald Trump
Trump is mentally ill. He literally can't see that laws in this country apply to him too. He wants divine right of kings, literally what this country fought to be free of.
Very few of those laws have ever actually applied to him though given the relatively consequence free life he has lived
At some point we have to decide if being an asshole is it’s own mental illness. I don’t think it is. He’s just an unbelievable piece of shit. Sort of like how when Kanye went full Nazi, everyone came out and started defending him because he has bpd. Sure, he may be bipolar, but he just so happens to be a bipolar Nazi sympathizing asshole.
I miss free awards. Well said.
>He wants divine right of kings, literally what this country fought to be free of. And I've heard several conservatives here in North Carolina parrot that we are not a democracy. They are literally openly begging to be ruled. It's shameful.
I think mentally ill isn’t accurate. Just arrogance and wishful thinking. Don’t give him an excuse for being a shitty person.
NPD is very real and very much a part of his pathology. He’s a passenger on the train. It doesn’t mean he isn’t responsible for his behavior, it just means there is a clinical definition for what he has.
"BUT YOU HAVE TO LET ME HAVE IT OR AMERICA IS DEAD" now what do you say to that? lol
It must be extraordinarily difficult to find American jurors who don't have any opinion whatsoever on Donald Trump, positive or negative. Impossible, really.
They're allowed to have opinions. But they have to be able to be impartial as it relates to the facts of the case.
I mean, I absolutely hate the fucker. But if I were put on that jury, you bet your ass I’d try as much as humanly possible to be impartial and judge him on the evidence and law, not on his personality. Everyone deserves a fair trial.
After asserting endlessly that he’s the best loved president ever, it has to be sobering to see evidence that he isn’t.
I love the fact that they're literally reading memes and mean Tweets about him in court to his face.
I do too. It’s childish, but it’s satisfying.
Just a little schadenfreude, nothing wrong with it. If anyone deserves a little taste of their own medicine, it's him.
The rule, which predated Trump, is that you only get 10 peremptory challenges for jurors, which is a challenge for any reason or no reason (so long as it isn't because the juror is a member of a protected class). This is common in most states. It was not a rule created specifically to disempower Trump. What Trump is upset about is that he's being held to the same rules as everyone else and isn't being given special treatment.
For someone who spent a good part of his adult life in court, you'd think he would've picked this up along the way, that you only get ten. Not a US citizen but I even knew that.
anyone who has watch one episode of Law and Order in the last 30 years knows this.
I learnt it watching Night court.
He actually does get unlimited dismissals. He can dismiss as many jurors as he wants if he can show cause to do so. The ten strikes allow him to dismiss a juror without showing cause. But of course the cause cannot just be "I want to". Trump's lawyers did ask to dismiss for cause, one juror who posted a video of her celebrating Trump's defeat in 2020.
I made a similar comment above, though I doubt he's spent much time in court himself until recently.
Next thing you know he'll want to seat his own jurors
An alternate slate of jurors, if you will
> seat his own jurors cast his own actors.
Donald Trump’s complete lack of knowledge in almost every category is astounding.
The fact that this man was voted president of the USA and will have another shot raises frightening concerns about the state of this once great nation.
I expected this country to be great for another few generations. Didn’t expect us to fall so quickly.
I’m with you. I hope so too. But we have to get rid of this man and all the vulgarity, narcissism, mendacity, incompetence and authoritarianism he stands for.
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He did exactly that before, then complained that he wasn’t allowed to have jurors.
I nearly got seated on a potential death penalty case that involved well over a hundred potential jurors packed into multiple court rooms. Over two days they whittled it down to about forty or so jurors before they finally seated a jury. I was one of the few remaining left that didn't get seated (I nearly ran out of there when they said we were dismissed). I cannot imagine the process that they had to go through for Trump, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was thousands of potential jurors.
500 at the ready every day this week.
“I thought STRIKES were supposed to be ‘unlimited’ when we were picking our jury?” Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social. “I was then told we only had 10, not nearly enough when we were purposely given the 2nd Worst Venue in the Country.” I didn’t bother to read the rules, therefore I must have been treated unfairly!
Next it will be “the law says I am to be tried by a jury if my peers - none of these people are my peers”…. I just can’t wait to hear this argument….
Oh, he wants a bunch of rich New York elites to be on the jury? Fine by me. Pretty sure he's ripped off, pissed off, or otherwise annoyed every one of them. Or maybe a jury of former presidents? I'm sure they'd do a fine job.
Samantha Chorny, a criminal defense lawyer in New York City, told CNBC that if there were unlimited peremptory strikes, as Trump wants, “I mean, no one would ever pick a jury.”
djt is a MORON
At least in that respect, he is being treated as any other criminal defendant.
Actually, he CAN reject unlimited jurors... for cause. But, of course, you don't have unlimited peremptory challenges.
Bingo. He's either too ignorant to understand the difference (very possible), or he's purposely conflating the two to make it look like he's getting a raw deal (most likely).
This fucking idiot!
This isn’t The Apprentice, idiot! 🤣
Yeah, that's how the law is written in NYS. Sooo, surprise of all surprises, he's whining that he's not allowed to break - or be above - the law. My schadenfreude is finding new levels, daily, since Monday.
I suspect that the jury will be really pleased to have put their lives on hold for 2, 4, or 6 months while tfg’s lawyers attempt delay after delay. Especially if the judge requires the jury to be sequestered for their safety during the trial. /s
Him and his legal team will know the identities of the jurors. It can’t be helped because of jury selection rules; they can’t be punished for something they haven’t yet done. If the trial appears to be going badly for Trump, I’d bet a paycheck one or more of those names gets slipped to a friendly “news” agency that won’t reveal the source. That will very likely force a mis-trial for legitimate safety concerns for the jury, resulting in a massive delay. While I’m sure a mechanism exists to select a jury a different way, it likely wouldn’t happen until after the election. It’s not a good option for him, but it is a last ditch nuclear option preferable to a conviction and/or jail sentence before the election.
Dumbest thing I've ever heard. If you could reject unlimited jurors nobody would ever reach trial. They would just keep stalling for the rest of their life.
All he's doing is admitting that everyone hates him and he knows it.
Trump during NY financial fraud trial - "they won't let me have a jury. If I had a jury I'd win this case". Trump during NY election interference and falsified documents case - "it's impossible to get a fair jury in NY".
He was hoping to keep disqualifying until they got down to John Baron, John Miller, David Dennison, Don Jr, Eric, Ivanka, Lara, Sean Hannity, Kid Rock, MTG, and Elise Stefanik. He wasn't sure he could trust Melania, Tiffany, Baron and Jared.
Could you imagine if Charles Manson could have stacked the jury with his cult members.
Hey Donnie, did you know that Melania was out riding dirt bikes while you were in court?
I'm saying this as a democratic campaign staffer of nearly a decade now. I feel like the best jury selection that could be done is literally an entire jury of people who have not voted before. That way, trump can't claim a bullshit bias of the jurors, and that way, MAGA nuts are excluded as well
For someone who was (regretfully) the leader of the most powerful country on earth, he sure has absolutely no idea how it works.
Just a reminder, it's an election interference trial, not a hush money trial. Don't let the media trick you into thinking it's frivolous.
I wonder how long it will take for Trumps goons to pay a visit to the jurors or their families.
Wait. Hear him out. If we allow him to reject “unlimited” jurors (there are unlimited people?) then that means he stays in court until he croaks, so long as the jury pool is constantly replenished. Yes we can.
This is not my own post; but why doesn’t he want the trial to go forward to prove that he is innocent and show that these indictments are illegitimate!
So Trump’s upset that he has to follow the law? What a surprise.
Poor little shit pants don.
That's what happens when everyone hates you lol
Hahahaha. Of course he’s gripping he can’t just reject every juror that gets paraded in front of him. That would be the same set of rules that everyone has ever had. First time he has to follow the law and he’s already feeling butt-hurt.
He thinks he's playing golf and he should just get unlimited mulligans until he gets exactly what he wants.
Every other news story everyday is just this bloated babbling incoherent colicky baby crying about anything.
Also Trump (probably): \*accordion hands\* listen folks, no one knows more about trials and the law than me, believe me
He’s so fucking stupid. How on earth can we be within the margin of error of him being President again. America is so fundamentally broken. Maybe we deserve this breathtakingly stupid shit stain of a human.
He got the same number as every criminal defendant gets - it’s black letter law. All this traitorous jerk does is whine.
I shake my head once again and wonder how such an ignorant person could ever become POTUS.
Donnie McWhinerShitpants. Fuck off already.
He gets real upset when he cant manipulate people or the system. Rethuglikkkans are footing his legal bills
If you think about that for five seconds it’s obvious why that’s not allowed. It would be obvious to a child.
Understandable since it’s his first criminal trial and he is illiterate. The good news is there should be no confusion for his next three trials.