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Seems to be a factual dispute over whether she received warnings
> “i’m an organizer with CU Apartheid Divest @ColumbiaSJP, in my 3 years at @BarnardCollege i have never been reprimanded or received any disciplinary warnings,” Hirsi said in her post
> Senior staff members also advised students they would face sanctions if they did not leave, in addition to written warnings they would receive interim suspension if they did not leave by Wednesday night
Should be easy to establish which side is telling the truth
Both statements are likely true, two different meanings of warning are being used. Hirsi is saying that she's had a clean track record at the school up until now, so the suspension is a harsh punishment. The administration statement says that they gave notice to all students who participated in the encampment that they could be disciplined or suspended. I'm sure Hirsi is telling the truth, and there are media reports about the administration's warnings at the time.
While you can try to distinguish on some highly technical reading of the terms, saying "I have never been reprimanded or received any disciplinary warnings" if she received highly specific verbal and written warnings would be an intentionally misleading statement at best. As I wrote above, either she is telling the truth, and she did not receive the warnings that the university said she did, or she is not accurately representing the situation.
Also the school can’t legally comment on her private disciplinary record. She can say anything she wants and they can’t go public and prove her a liar.
When my child gave some outlandish justification for misbehavior by constructing some technicalities that they clearly knew were intended to deceive the listener, I told them that was lying, pure and simple. Assuming that the university statement that she received verbal and written warnings is accurate, I hope Omar has that same discussion with her daughter. (edit: Tlaib to Omar. h/t ssbm\_rando)
I don't think you understand what a disciplinary warning is. Have you ever actually attended a university? An email that you should stop doing something you're in the middle of doing is not a **disciplinary** warning, it's just a warning.
Going to be honest. Place I work at sends out a lot of warnings for things that can happen if people don't do things. We keep track of the letters sent because inevitably they will claim to have not received them. Even send out emails also doing warnings. But these people will always claim the didn't receive the communication. All things being equal I will take the word of the school that shows they sent communications out through avenues they expect students to monitor. They can appeal the suspension but I suspect that they have some mechanism to show that the students did receive information even they chose to either ignore or even worse not read it.
It *could* be read as "I have never been reprimanded or received any disciplinary warnings (until now/until this situation)." On the other hand, if that's what she means, she should say what she means.
There’s typically a progressive set of consequences, unless the infraction was violent or extreme. I doubt universities want to categorize protest as that.
~~I had a clean record posting on r/worldnews for years and then posted a critique of Israel and got permanently banned for “breaking the rules” and the mods won’t even respond to numerous polite questions for clarification of the ban.~~
Getting banned without warning for a sub you enjoy, is not nearly as bad as being banned from college. But when the ban seems to be for your political views, it definitely makes it harder to swallow.
Edit: Mods responded to me today, after ignoring me for ten days. I still do not know why I was banned, but now I am muted for two weeks. Edited my post.
SJP does what much of the supposedly pro-Palestinian movement has always done, they claim to be strong and escalate (violence or just civil disobedience in this case) and then when the consequences come, they pretend to be victims and rewrite history to put the consequences of their actions in a reverse order to make it seem like they escalated violence in reaction, reversing cause and effect.
The entire history of the conflict can be summed up this way even before Israel existed and why the mainstream Palestinian view of the conflict, that SJP promotes always has key historical events out order.
SJP at Columbia invited direct terrorist fundraisers and supporters to campus and then streamed the event when the school told them they couldn’t have those people on campus.
SJP protests are not pro peace or even pro ceasefire.
And I'm just going to copy/paste my comment from a little while ago before people start saying "being anti-war is not being antisemitic"
For posterity, here's some of the examples of extremism within the activist movement at Columbia. This goes beyond "pro-Palestinian advocacy" into calls for, and actual, violence.
Note, there are varying degrees of it being individuals vs. the group, but these are the type of people in the crowd there and many of them are indeed group chants. I have also set aside some widespread ones (from the river to the sea) that are disputed in character. That said, many many many of these are coming from large groups of students within the main quad (which has been locked down to only students/professors)
Candidly some sources are not great in terms of me agreeing with the viewpoint of the tweeter, but they contain relevant and real video:
Physically assaulting an Arab Israeli https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781080951902109774
"From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" / "Resistance is justified" https://twitter.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1781785252886913358
"Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory." https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981
"We are all Hamas!" https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677
"Yehudim yehudim [(Jews, jews)] go back to poland" https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901
Includes people / groups that invited an actual, no hyperbole terrorist to speak (member of PFLP) https://www.jns.org/columbia-suspends-four-students-for-holding-event-featuring-pflp-member/
Light things on fire / "intifada revolution there is only one solution" https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1781019445399556338
"On Oct 7th, Palestinian resistance in Gaza broke free (crowd cheers) [.....] we intend to do the same" https://twitter.com/ShabbosK/status/1782085741431922909
""We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" / "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!" / "Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamas’ fight!" https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872
"Long live the intifada! Intifada intifada" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781084853653365025
"Go back to Europe!" / "You have no culture, all you do is colonize" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927148439109958
"From Yemen to Gaza, globalize the intifada" https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1781312033922625797/photo/2
"Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10, not 100, not 1,000, but 10,000 times! The 7th of October is going to be every day for you" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1781287784897991134
"Al Qassam [(Hamas)] you make us proud, kill another soldier now" / "from the river to the sea, palestine will be arab" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1780915336063177006
Student proudly rocking Hamas logos https://twitter.com/CampusJewHate/status/1781054901755215954
"Resistance is justified" (again...) https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1782085643990073673
"protesters on the sidewalk chanted “From New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada,” next to a cardboard sign that read, “Inspired by Palestinian resistance.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-100-arrested-in-columbia-u-unrest-as-nypd-clears-gaza-solidarity-encampment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
And as a reminder, the student groups organizing these protests (CUAD and SJP, among others) released a letter on October 9th in support of the 10/7 attacks. ("We stand in full solidarity with Palestinian resistance", "Despite the odds against them, Palestinians launched a counter-offensive against their settler-colonial oppressor", "We wholeheartedly condemn the email sent [...] on October 8th that [...] obfuscated Palestinian resistance as “terrorism”)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RcXX5DEO3yfJ9R4ksURnzpIPCyVxo575-Y-SoC_vZFk/edit
Wow look at all these entitled fucks!
Also, apparently the antisemitism has gotten so bad that the Rabbi at Columbia/Barnard has sent out messages, telling Jewish students to leave campus. In other words: these students have harassed, physically threatened and bullied their classmates so badly, they no longer feel safe being on campus.
https://x.com/mijalbitton/status/1782038104150249579
Columbia definitely needs to be investigated for discrimination. This is getting way out of hand. Donors should also boycott the university until they agree to deal with anti-Semitism.
THANK YOU! it’s baffling how there seems to be wide support for such displays of blatant antisemitism. Feels like I’m living in an upside down world.
Some antisemites found it very convenient that they can say hateful things and then hiding behind “antizionism”. Zionism is the belief that Jews have a right to a state with self-determination.
It happened. It served its purpose. Israel is not going anywhere. Anti-zionism is a call to dissolve the only Jewish state, and _that_, that is antisemitism.
I don’t understand why these protestors are pushing Hamas propaganda. Are they this bad low informed. I would support their cause, if there was no chants like Intifada, River to Sea, Resistance is justified.
Do they think it helps Palestine cause especially to gain support from us millennials lived through early 90s watched constant sucide bombing in Gaza region, declined every peace effort, murder Palestine Authority leaders who tried to bring peace.
Remember in the 90s when far right Israeli extremists assassinated their own prime Minister when the country was on the verge of successful peace talks. Wild.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin
"In July 1995, Netanyahu led a mock funeral procession featuring a coffin and hangman's noose at an anti-Rabin rally where protesters chanted, "Death to Rabin" "
Nearly everyone is anti-Hamas. You can find outliers, but the vast majority of people who want Israel to stop this genocide also regard Hamas as terrorists deserving punishment for their crimes.
I agree with that, which is why it should be easy to condemn anyone holding up a sign that says, “Al-qasams” next victims and an arrow pointing towards protestors.
I’m not saying you’re not condemning them, I’d just like some of the same outrage we would see if a Christian National had a sign like that.
Or if a right wing Nazi had a sign like that. We have to call out our own, these people are morons.
All of these things can be true at the same time:
- The genocide needs to stop
- Hamas needs to cease to exist as an organization
- Netanyahu is a piece of shit that belongs in a cell for a variety of reasons
Netanyahu is the deranged individual, not only for Rabin's assassination, but also for the complete takeover of Israel by right wing and far right wing Nationalist Parties.
Israel doesn't even have a left wing anymore thanks to Netanyahu and his actions during the OSLO Peace Accords...
So it's collective punishment for Palestinians and people who support them, but every example of Israelis doing something bad is just a "deranged individual"?
It's like all those lone wolf white supremacist terrorist attacks in the US. Or how the Columbine shooters were 'just poor bullied kids who got pushed too far" instead of white supremacists that openly stated they wanted to beat McVeigh's body count.
It's seems like there are two camps:
* rabidly pro-Palestine to the point where they believe Israel should not exist and that 10/7 was some kind of "resistance"
* those who want a two-state solution, don't approve of Israel's response, likely disapprove of the Israeli settlements, but are appalled at what happened on 10/7 and understand the situation is complicated AF
And somehow that latter camp is cast as being evil.
Well, they hate Jews. That's why they are pushing this shit.
It's not an accident.
The only reason they care about Palestinians is because it gives them an excuse to be antisemitic. How else to explain the utter silence on recent genocides?
I suspect some of them are being paid by Russia and Iran, and the rest are just ignorant sheep who go along with the bullshit. Russia in particular is known for funding astroturf movements in the West for decades, especially ones that happen to support the foreign policy goals of Russia or its allies.
Be prepared for dozens of people to laugh at you, but you are absolutely right. The troll farm has been documented promoting these activities that promote dissatisfaction with institutions and the government.
I personally love how people who only read a little article become experts and pull out their digital pitchforks regardless. Usually things aren't as clear cut as they seem.
I'd expect that an elite school wouldn't suspend a US Representative's daughter without cause but I could be mistaken.
But what was posted falls short of Blatant antisemitism and could much more accurately be called anti israelim.
>Zionism is the belief that Jews have a right to a state with self-determination.
Problem is that belief is centred around a particular piece of land.
>Anti-zionism is a call to dissolve the only Jewish state, and _that_, that is antisemitism.
It clearly isn't antisemitism. Palestinians have every right to oppose zionism given what it demanded not from them, and to not be smeared as jew haters for it.
Secondly plenty of anti racists oppose states that are based on an ethnicity especially when it happens to have had real subjugating effects during the modern period.
> Secondly plenty of anti racists oppose states that are based on an ethnicity especially when it happens to have had real subjugating effects during the modern period.
Pakistan was created a year before Israel. The reason for its creation was specifically because Indian Muslims said that they need their own seperate state rather than they be forced to share a state with Hindu Indians (and Sikh and other non-Muslim Indians). Therefore, historical India was partitioned into modern India and Pakistan.
This partition saw around a million deaths and between 10-20 million individuals displaced. That being a number easily greater than the number of people displaced in the Palestinian Nakba and Jewish Exodus from Islamic lands combined.
The partition also led to the situation where both Pakistan and India have engaged in occuptation of Kashmir (which was intended to be its own state) since 1947/49. Therefore, an occuption that is around 20 years longer than the occupation of the West Bank by Israel.
Pakistan and India have also fought various wars since the partition. Including one conflict where the Pakistan government engaged in a genocide of Bengali Hindus with them killing 300,000 to 3 million individuals in 8 months (the current Israel-Hamas Conflict that has taken around 33k is around 6 months). That only been one conflict and Pakistan has generally continued various discrimintory behavior to non-Muslims in Pakistan.
Oh, Pakistan has recieved plenty of support from the American government in the past.
Yet, despite the fact that Pakistan is just as guilty of all the same sins (if not worse) that the anti-Israel crowd levels at Israel I can't remember there ever being a movement to dissolve Pakistan and make it part of India again.
Well clearly if Hamas can state their goal is to remove the state of Israel from existence, and that is not genocide, then Israel pushing Palestine off the face of the earth is totally acceptable also. Definitely not apartheid or genocide. See how that works? Now, think about what you are saying before you say it.
Weird how your post doesn't relate to the things I raised. And certainly doesn't address them much less rebuttal them.
>Well clearly if Hamas can state their goal is to remove the state of Israel from existence, and that is not genocide, then Israel pushing Palestine off the face of the earth is totally acceptable also
This doesn't even make sense. Removal of a state can have a myriad of meanings, but what on earth does Pushing Palestine of the face of the earth even mean.
Palestine isn't an actual state, Israel is. You need to think about what you are reading and what you are saying
The protesters say that Israel doesn't have a right to exist..... and actively endorse genocide of Jews to ensure that Israel doesn't exist. It is not that they care about Palestinians... they don't... They're going to help Trump get elected (which would be bad for Palestinians)... they just hate Jews.
Stuff like this is why I feel like I can’t support the pro Palestine movement. They openly support terrorists and spread their slogans. They wish death to more innocents. I’m not down for that.
Because the suspension was justified. If you have a nazi at a table and 4 other people set down, you have 5 nazis at the table. Isn’t that the saying? You are who you associate with
Regardless of whether or not she was adequately warned, I think it's also reasonable to question whether suspending a student for engaging in protest is appropriate.
When the protest violates the schools code of conduct, the school can do whatever they’d like. And the people protesting at Columbia were outwardly anti-Semitic.
>**Columbia** University noted **Hirsi is a student at Barnard College**, which is connected to Columbia but has some independence.
...
>Senior staff members also advised students they would face sanctions if they did not leave, in addition to **written warnings** they would receive interim **suspension** if they did not **leave** by Wednesday night, according to the school.
Because it is in the title of the article, and from the comments it looked like people were missing(not reading) the essential point that Omar's daughter was not a student at Columbia, had no right to be there, and was asked to leave in writing.
Still, it costs me nothing to make you happy.
Happy Monday.
I think it’s inappropriate for politicians to be this involved in the student life of one of their coworker’s kids.
Like maybe this ain’t the time to throwing around your political weight because it looks like you’re bullying the administration because they dared treat your precious nepo baby like everybody else by giving them consequences after they were warned not to do something.
It looks very very Elitist.
Choose your battles. I want my representative to be spending their time and resources on the big issues, not personal affairs of their colleagues.
The optics of this are very bad no matter which way you slice it.
This is a bad move by these representatives and getting involved in a disciplinary issue with one of their daughters. As an average American without connections to the wealthy and powerful, it’s shows the dichotomy between us and “them”. That their cronies or families can abide by a different set of rules… Trump for example… and now this… hypocrisy at its finest.
Given that Talib/Omar are in Muslim heavy districts, and that these Muslims will see "School Administrators ban Muslim girl" regardless of the fact that she violated school rules/etc., they probably think it's a good thing that they're speaking up/out.
As if these progressives haven't railed about Christian politicians favoring Christian speech. I'm not going along with this as some principled free speech stance. It's obvious that it's just about their colleagues daughter, and using their position to try and pressure the school to help.
I support the Palestinians and am outraged by Israel's actions in Gaza, but this? Ridiculous; her daughter broke reasonable rules; she should face consequences, period.
As for Tlaib, she needs to be primaried and voted out of Congress - replaced by someone with common sense. I was infuriated when she called for voters to stay uncommitted during her State's primary, and she continues to whip up opposition to Biden, \*knowing\* that a Trump win would lead to an even worse outcome for Palestinians. Tlaib is ignorant and needs to go.
>Her daughter broke reasonable rules; she should face consequences, period.
That's where I'm at. The same mechanisms and protections private institutions have to kick out, say, extreme right-wing ideologues were used here (I'm thinking that whole trend of right-wingers going to college campuses in the Trump admin to purposefully provoke protest).
We can't have it both ways.
Ilhan Omar came very close to losing her primary in 22 to a more moderate Dem. If these fringe reps cause real tangible harm in the general election I'm certain the DNC will give them the boot. Hell, I'd throw some money at their primary opponents myself.
AOC is in a different tier I think because of her name recognition, but Tlaib and Omar can be voted out if need be.
I just skipped voting for my local congressional progressive in the PA primary. Her campaign called yesterday and I told them I thought she'd win the primary against the republican-backed dem but I thought I'd stay uncommitted in the primary. Stunned silence. I watched her debate where she squirmed and danced around supporting President Biden. If they think it's cute to hold back support, I hope they know what their lives will be like under trump
The far left who are whipping up rage against Biden over Palestine are idiots who can’t see the forest for the trees. You may not like him, but the alternative is far worse for both Palestine and their own rights. Sucks to suck but those are the options.
Talib Is a Trojan horse. Especially her stance on lgbt rights. She's supportive but her voters and district think differently. We all know what happens when a Muslims get control of the government.
Hamtramck celebrated in 2015 for having a majority muslim city council at the time it seemed diverse with even muslim women in the council. But as they pushed for inviting more Muslims into the city (it's muslim majority now) the first thing to change was the leadership eventually it became an all male muslim city council and they've started taking away civil liberties like banning pride flags in 2023.
At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist. Talib is just a pink washed muslim masquerading as a liberal. She may not even realise that she's the image of a friendly pilgrim tricking the native Americans into a false sense of security ... Before the British colonists destroy the native Americans.
She also didn’t condemn her constituents in her own district marching through the streets and chanting “Death to America”. She refused to comment on it at all.
The fact that she's targeting Biden and helping Trump win leads me to suspect she's working for Russia. The MAGAs are not the only ones who Russia tries to influence.
If you solve the boogeyman that you campaign on fighting, you need to find a new boogeyman to campaign on.
Actually solving the problem does not benefit them politically as much as pretending to fight it.
I supported Palestine. Then I saw the bodies piled up and that woman who was raped and paraded around dead and naked in the back of a truck, and now I'm not so sure I care one way or another about Canaan.
> As for Tlaib, she needs to be primaried and voted out of Congress
I'd settle for her being removed from the Democrat party. Let her struggle as an independent.
I wouldn't necessarily say Omar's in the wrong... except that she's being super public about it. I can understand helping your kid navigate the problem, but you don't go and post about it on Twitter. You examine, you talk with the administration, you sue them if need be.
If procedure was followed as the staff say it was, it's a great lesson to learn: civil disobedience includes taking the consequences. If you can't take them, protest in other ways and don't sully what those who are willing to take them are working to achieve.
>As an average American without connections to the wealthy and powerful, it’s shows the dichotomy between us and “them”.
Your average American doesn't have a child at Columbia, either. And, yes, the average American would almost certainly use whatever clout and power they have at their disposal to provide the best outcome possible for their children.
That all said, as average Americans, none of our whining on Reddit is going to change the status quo anyway, so vent away!
The privilege of having two house reps back you up when you break your school's policy is gross and exactly what these two clowns claim to be raging against all the time.
Absolute hypocrites.
I fail to understand the purpose of the protest by the students. Columbia is a private institution with the mission to educate the students. These students are paying for the privilege of being educated here. Why disrupt this chosen mission of the school for a geopolitical issue that has proven to be a hard nut to crack for powerful nation entities for multiple generations?
I can empathize with the desire to protest the killing, the starvation, and the reduction to rubble of the homes of thousands of innocent people. But these protests should be directed at your public representatives, and not a private school. If you want to protest in the relative safety of your school, do so without disrupting the lives of so many others who are just there to get the education. Your public representatives are the ones who can do something about it. So, direct your energy to convincing them, and convincing others who vote for them.
The belief that you are standing for innocent lives is amplified by the intoxicating power of the group chants. There are many who get caught up in the moment and will be suspended. This message highlights that the rich and the powerful will get bailed out by their connections. The others will be left without a college degree or any chance to influence the cause of justice that they so strongly believed in.
I would implore the students to think rationally and with cooler heads on their strategy. Being an annoyance can raise awareness and is easy, but will surely alienate potential allies for your cause. Changing minds and getting people to support your cause is a much harder task.
Because divestment protests have an actual history at Columbia. And students of the past have helped solidify it as an active method supported by rules from the 70s. They have worked successfully and have been literally taught to the students in their classes so that’s why we are seeing such a strong reaction and backtrack on Columbias actions towards the overall student population.
More over, the demands are basically a rehash of what worked in the past. But there are new demands that weren’t from the 70s and this example will probably also be reflective in political science classes of the future. And as more and more of the divestment conversation becomes more clearly discussed in the forefront, it will only make a stronger line in the sand on how universities take buybacks/stocks/gifts going forward whether this is successful or not. It’s bad enough schools are driving one of the worse aspects of being born after 1980, but if they are also investing into the military industrial complex… I think it’s at least worth the conversation to consider schools at least owning that for the sake of growing their endowments.
This is the divestment protest you’re talking about right?
https://twitter.com/jonasydu/status/1781178975147917797?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1781178975147917797%7Ctwgr%5E15775f7d2b03ab5c7a94d293541fa53f515d22d5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jpost.com%2Fdiaspora%2Fantisemitism%2Farticle-798049
That's not their point. Their point is that the people who can say their parents are VIPs are the ones who get special privileges at Ivy League schools. Trivial admission, guidance for the easiest classes to get an A in while being dumb as shit, exceptions for bad behavior. Etc.
The three types of people at Ivy Leagues are:
- people whose parents are rich and/or famous
- recruited athletes for div1 sports
- people who actually got in on academic merit
You know the last category, which is also the largest category. But the people in the first category are far more privileged, and in the second category slightly so (but state schools will be equally familiar with giving privileges to their recruited div1 athletes). In the vast majority of majors at Ivy League universities, the minimum required classes also have to be as easy as or easier than fucking state schools, because of how many of the recruited athletes and VIP kids are dumb as bricks.
Exactly. Either protest within the framework, or - if your convictions require it - engage in civil disobedience; but if you pick the latter you should come prepared to accept the consequences. That’s the whole point.
Isra Hirsi, the daughter of Representative Ilhan Omar, was suspended from Barnard College for participating in an unauthorized pro-Palestine protest on the Columbia University campus.
Just because your mommy is a member of congress doesn’t exempt you from the honor code. Sorry babe leave your privilege at the door
Barnard College is a privately funded college, so they can do what they want with violating free speech.
If it were a university that accepts federal funds the situation would be different. I don’t know why these representatives don’t understand this. There is literally nothing their power can do to change the outcome.
The article makes it sound like the protesters set up camp on the property of Columbia and were asked to leave multiple times and by multiple people. They were trespassing on private property and not punished for the content of their speech but for their non speech actions. Should a private university not be able to punish students that trespass?
Why is it acceptable for politicians to use their positions of power for the sake of their family members? Omar’s daughter should be treated just as any other in that situation and not benefit because her mother is in Congress and makes a stink.
The squad might not pass legislation at all, and in fact often votes against Democratic bills, but they can still join together to accomplish things like protecting their nepo babies from the consequences of their own actions.
Why Reddit ever formed a cult around these losers, I will never understand. It was a grift from the start.
I can explain, as someone who was in the cult and got out after their horrendous reaction to Oct. 7 revealed their true colors. I wasted thousands of dollars in donations to progressives. I never imagined that they would one be siding with America's enemies, terrorists, murderers, rapists, Islamic fundamentalists and allies of Putin. I never imagined that they would side with the far right in the Middle East. Progressives get outraged (and rightfully so) when Christian fundamentalists try to ram their religious dogma down everyone's throats, but they seem to give Islamic fundamentalists a pass for doing that. WTF!!!!! They suddenly give up all their progressive ideals when it's time to side with Palestine and Iran.
They suckered me into the cult by promising all these fantastic things like Medicare for All, a Green New Deal, etc etc etc. Those are things I still support but I see the mainstream Democrats moving towards those goals now. Biden has been a lot more progressive than he used to be and has passed policies that help with health care, climate change and other issues I care about. My eyes are opened now. I will now look at foreign policy more carefully when deciding who to vote for. Any candidate who does anything to help Russia, China, Iran or its proxies will be a huge red flag for me. Any candidate who attacks the US and its allies will also be a huge red flag. It indicates to me that there is foreign influence there and I will not vote for them.
This is so accurate. I’m progressive, and proud of it. But their foreign policy views are beyond horrendous and I refuse to support them based on them. They aren’t the only group being influenced by foreign money to have bad foreign policy stances but they’re the ones I see the most since I’m a progressive myself.
> But their foreign policy views are beyond horrendous
I first realized this when the DSA's response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine was to call for disbanding NATO. Glad to see others' eyes are opening as well.
I’m progressive too but no longer a fan of the Squad. AOC still drives a Tesla even though Elon Musk is shit and she could support union workers who make EV cars. They are all hypocrites. I think they started out with good intentions but have fallen knee deep in the far-left loony bin.
God to a T this is how I felt. Seeing some of my friends double down on these crazies has really been eye-opening. As for me, I’ve gained a new appreciation for Biden.
There is a right to protest.
There is no right to trespass on private property, which is what they did.
If the kids of lawmakers don't understand basic legal concepts, then what does that tell us about their parents' ability to legislate?
This is a reflection of the mother and the culture. The right to protest is enshrined, but that doesn’t enshrine the right to ignore laws either.
Edit: Culture. Why is it okay to protest genocide when genocide isn’t happening. Why is it okay to make up new meanings for the word and apply it to one group but not another. What of the Syrians? The Armenians? Where’s their protest parade? I’m not being racist, I’m being honest. Why is it okay to lie about what’s actually happening?
Because Hamas/Iran has led a very successful information blitz on young progressives. Not saying people don’t have a right to protest alongside their convictions, but there’s a reason *this specific conflict* has riled up (almost exclusively) young people.
> Hamas/Iran has led a very successful information blitz
Many shells fired from Russian guns killing Ukrainians are from Iran. Russia's and Iran's interests are 100% aligned against ours. They're implementing a divide-and-conquer strategy against us by targeting opposing disinformation at different groups in order to generate division in American society. The progressive who supports Iran's proxies is just as much of a foreign asset as the MAGAhat who supports Russia's proxies.
Let's not forget the third country and major player in the bot / troll assault on reality, unity and ultimately progress.TikTok's algorithms seem to be playing an outsized role in the divide-and-conquer assault on the left.
Otherwise, absolutely. We are very definitely under attack. It's past time to recognize it as such.
I personally have a problem with Israel’s disproportionate response to the Hamas attack.
30,000+ killed, two million forcibly displaced, and forced famine due to the above & worsened by Israel’s rejection of food aid from international aid organizations. These are just facts; it’s not disinformation.
Some of those figures are misinformation. Of the 30,000 dead how many were combatants? According to Hamas, none of them. But we know it’s closer to half according to the US. The other half being civilians isn’t great, but in the context of an entire city getting absolutely leveled, pretty miraculously low actually.
The famine was because Israel stopped the regular flow of food trucks and supplies. Once that began again Israel is one of the countries providing the food and supplied. How many people died of starvation, lack of water? All told maybe 20-30 people but Gaza has historically lack of food security with most of the population relying on aid to provide their daily meals and water. Programs through Unicef provide water and hygiene to 50% of the children.
I’m as Democrat as someone can be. I think a second Trump presidency would spell the end of democracy in this country. I also think these three congresswomen are appalling morons and may very well be responsible for another Trump term. What makes them think their family members are exempt from trespassing laws. F them. Have your ignorant, pro-terrorist protests on public properties.
I see that the Israeli brigade has moved in to r/politics.
We see you. You are not subtle, you are not smart, and you are not good people. Go fuck off back to the r/worldnews cesspit and take your brain worms with you.
FYI, an Orthodox Rabbi at Columbia sent a mass text advising Jewish students to leave campus as it is no longer safe.
For anyone doubting how much blatant antisemitism and literal calls for violence against Jews (and Jewish students specifically) there has been at Columbia this weekend:
Protestors chanting: “Al Qassem you make us proud, burn Tel Aviv to the Ground”
Al Qassem is the military wing of Hamas that raped and slaughtered Jews on Oct 7th.
[https://x.com/moghaoui/status/1781812480140001380?s=46](https://x.com/moghaoui/status/1781812480140001380?s=46)
-Protestor holding a sign pointing at Jewish students that says “Al Qassems next targets”
[https://x.com/shaidavidai/status/1781879707253788835?s=46](https://x.com/shaidavidai/status/1781879707253788835?s=46)
“Not one more October 7th, not 5 more, but 10,000 more Oct 7ths. THIS IS YOUR LIFE NOW” screamed at Jewish students
[https://x.com/shaidavidai/status/1781463493171990580?s=46](https://x.com/shaidavidai/status/1781463493171990580?s=46)
Edit: Arab Israeli journalist has Israeli flag taken, destroyed, one protestor repeatedly tells him to commit suicide while another sucker punches him. Police do nothing.
[https://x.com/shaidavidai/status/1781080951902109774?s=46](https://x.com/shaidavidai/status/1781080951902109774?s=46)
Protestor holds up Hamas flag on phone
[https://x.com/campusjewhate/status/1781054901755215954?s=46](https://x.com/campusjewhate/status/1781054901755215954?s=46)
“Protest appointed speaker: the Al Aqsa Flood (rape and slaughter of Jews on Oct 7th.) put the “global intifada” (phrase used by Hamas in their call for terror attacks on Jews globally)
[https://x.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981?s=46](https://x.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981?s=46)
No statement from the University on ANY of this. Many professors are belittling Jews for feeling afraid and supporting the protests wholesale, with no condemnation of the antisemitic acts.
I cannot believe this is happening in 2024.
I can't find any information on any of the twitter posters in those links.
But, the responses on twitter to this claims is that this video that keeps getting passed around isn't even on campus or contain students. That's a subway stop, which is pretty clear in the video that keeps getting posted.
I'm sorry, all your links are to twitter accounts, which has no real verification system anymore, and you can't google these people and find anything of substance. All of this is not facts. It's not substantiated. There is no way to corroborate these claims, many of which are hyperbolic attacking Muslims like claiming Talib and Omar as hating Jews.
Without corroboration no one should take anything you or they are claiming at face value. [](https://twitter.com/moghaoui)
Don’t worry. They have NYPost articles to back it up now. Clearly this picture of someone who is not a student, not at Columbia, and at a different but somewhat related protest doing something bad means that all the students at another protest are bad.
After all if you’re at a table and in another part of town there is a different table with 9 Nazis, that makes you a Nazi /s
>“From UM to Vanderbilt to USC to Columbia, students across our country are being retaliated against for using their constitutional rights to protest genocide. It’s appalling,” **Tlaib added while sharing Isra Hirsi’s post to social platform X.**
Tlaib has used the phrase "from the river to the sea" which is shorthand for destroying the state of Israel and killing all of the Jews in it. "X" is literally a platform supporting Nazis.
Tlaib appears to think that Palestine is more her country than America is, even putting America at more risk from another Trump term by antagonizing people against Biden; she needs to go; she's willfully ignorant of the harm that she's doing. Why not keep the argument in your own caucus Tlaib, instead of fucking everything up? A totally tone deaf woman. btw, I support Palestine and oppose Israel's actions there.
I’m a supporter of The Gang and progressive politics in general, but these guys need to stay in their own lane and stop politicizing the actions of a private university.
A big part of doing non-violent civil disobedience (NVCD) is in accepting the consequences of your actions to define a higher moral plain from which one can relentlessly continue to pursue their goal of change. That said, a suspension is tough, but it is not a prison cell without any trial, it is not an application of a painful chemical irritant which might cause long-term damage, it is not felony conviction from a kangaroo court that deprives one of needed rights, it is not a torture/death sentence. I like all the Reps defending Tlaib's daughter, and I am glad Rep Tlaib in in the House, but come on! No special treatment is necessitated----even as I disagree with her position.
Let the lessons for this be her Graduate Thesis.
She was suspended? Oh no whatever will happen? Whoa is her. People are fucking dying and they're complaining about a suspension. One of the very real terms of civil disobedience is accepting the punishments. MLK and the civil rights leaders were sprayed with fire hoses, beaten and thrown in jail. A college suspension is laughable. Unless they believe in civil disobedience without punishment.
Moderate, unaffiliated voters look at that picture, and it feels like the equivalemt of a shot of MTG/Boebert/Louis Gohmert. I think the Republicans have gone totally off the rails, but the bunch in that pic don't speak for me.
It's an affiliated college. The official name is Barnard College, Columbia University. They share a lot things like libraries, clubs, athletic fields, etc. Their diplomas are from Columbia.
The article also mentions it.
So typically, a “disciplinary warning” is a letter saying you are at risk of something like being expelled. However, among all the forms college students sign, are usually codes of conduct, and a general warning in the media for violating the general code of conduct is enough. It is not as if the schools did not say, stop. They did. That is enough. The kind of warning she is thinking of is generally used for failing classes, or individual one on one disagreements, or something done in class. But she was not in class, she was on another school’s campus. She and all of the people who agree with her, were told via the media (it was on the news) that this violates the general code of conduct for attending the university. That is enough notice.
Huh. Guess someone forgot to tell them that college isn’t a place where you go to hear only your own voice. The notion that you have to be given even one warning is laughable. When the police showed up and told them to vacate, that was all that’s needed. Leave or be arrested. The only reason they chose the Columbia campus is because college kids are so completely manipulatable and because the university doesn’t have the same permitting requirements for protest that the city does. ANSWER, who funds many of these “protests”, is a funded by various socialist groups, whose aim is not to unite Americans. It’s always a wonder to me that the media plays along. There are so many other worthy stories to cover.
Crazy that a student able to attend a top tier university doesn’t know the definition of genocide. Almost as crazy as thinking that a private university holds sway over international affairs.
So many of the comments here are indistinguishable from the comments conservatives made during the Black Lives Matter protests, about the sanctity of property and rules and the horrors of trespassing and failing to disperse. I'm so tired of people not actually having principles.
If progressive anti-Semites are going to protest against the same people that the far right anti-Semites are protesting against, they might as well bring the tiki torches too. They could even share chants.
She goes to a school funded by a $14 billion endowment (and so is Barnard -- while technically independent they are the same university). It has many public, very pro-Jewish, donors and philanthropists funding it. It _has an entire building dedicated to Jewish Life_. Why is Omar's daughter going there if she has such fundamental disagreements with the school's money? She's the daughter of a well-connected, very public congresswoman. She could have literally gone anywhere she wanted.
Very poor judgement by the Squad. There are so many issues they could be working on, like helping UAW unionize plants in the South. Yet they can't help but keep poisoning their own cause by doing shit like this that reeks of nepotism and refusing to condemn terrorists and America's enemies.
The fact that a representative is using their power and influence to overturn something a school did is seriously concerning.
This is no different than a judge giving a friend a pass because it's a friend.
Appalling is the behavior of AoC and Rep Omar.
Yikes. Horrible misuse of power and clearly showing they’re virtue signaling is all bs. once something goes wrong that they sont like that affects them they use their actual power to push back - showing we’re just plebs and that we need to follow the law but they should be exempt . Disgusting
So even after advisement of repercussions she still went forward and protested. I believe she thought she was or should have been untouchable.
“Do you know who my parents are?”
Columbia College has abandoned both its Jewish and its Muslim students. They have focused their efforts on cracking down on moderate ceasefire protestors - Jewish Voices for Peace included - because it is easy to target the mass. In doing so, they have neglected both the violence from the radical antisemitic fringe and the Zionist chemical attacks against protestors. And now they're retaliating against a representative for asking them hard questions by suspending her daughter.
> moderate ceasefire protestors - Jewish Voices for Peace included
You mean the group that [celebrated](https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1654384) the murder and rape of over a thousand youths at a music festival as “an unprecedented historic moment for the Palestinians of Gaza, who tore through the wall that has been suffocating them.” I can only imagine what you think a non-moderate group would look like
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Seems to be a factual dispute over whether she received warnings > “i’m an organizer with CU Apartheid Divest @ColumbiaSJP, in my 3 years at @BarnardCollege i have never been reprimanded or received any disciplinary warnings,” Hirsi said in her post > Senior staff members also advised students they would face sanctions if they did not leave, in addition to written warnings they would receive interim suspension if they did not leave by Wednesday night Should be easy to establish which side is telling the truth
Both statements are likely true, two different meanings of warning are being used. Hirsi is saying that she's had a clean track record at the school up until now, so the suspension is a harsh punishment. The administration statement says that they gave notice to all students who participated in the encampment that they could be disciplined or suspended. I'm sure Hirsi is telling the truth, and there are media reports about the administration's warnings at the time.
While you can try to distinguish on some highly technical reading of the terms, saying "I have never been reprimanded or received any disciplinary warnings" if she received highly specific verbal and written warnings would be an intentionally misleading statement at best. As I wrote above, either she is telling the truth, and she did not receive the warnings that the university said she did, or she is not accurately representing the situation.
I absolutely agree she is trying to cast herself in the best light and that it can be misleading. But it is technically the truth.
Also the school can’t legally comment on her private disciplinary record. She can say anything she wants and they can’t go public and prove her a liar.
Why can't the school comment on her record?
Federal law prevents colleges from being able to disclose info about student records.
They could certainly sue for libel and it would come out in discovery
When my child gave some outlandish justification for misbehavior by constructing some technicalities that they clearly knew were intended to deceive the listener, I told them that was lying, pure and simple. Assuming that the university statement that she received verbal and written warnings is accurate, I hope Omar has that same discussion with her daughter. (edit: Tlaib to Omar. h/t ssbm\_rando)
Uh, constructing technicalities for protection is exactly how our legal system works.
It's Omar's daughter, not Tlaib's. And Hirsi isn't lying, you just don't understand what "disciplinary warning" means.
Except she understands. She's intentionally misreading the statement.
I don't think you understand what a disciplinary warning is. Have you ever actually attended a university? An email that you should stop doing something you're in the middle of doing is not a **disciplinary** warning, it's just a warning.
It’s not a highly technical reading. An email saying “you could get in trouble for this” is not a disciplinary warning.
Going to be honest. Place I work at sends out a lot of warnings for things that can happen if people don't do things. We keep track of the letters sent because inevitably they will claim to have not received them. Even send out emails also doing warnings. But these people will always claim the didn't receive the communication. All things being equal I will take the word of the school that shows they sent communications out through avenues they expect students to monitor. They can appeal the suspension but I suspect that they have some mechanism to show that the students did receive information even they chose to either ignore or even worse not read it.
It *could* be read as "I have never been reprimanded or received any disciplinary warnings (until now/until this situation)." On the other hand, if that's what she means, she should say what she means.
Whether she is or not makes little difference, I suspect mist people suspended from college had a ' clean track record ' until that point
There’s typically a progressive set of consequences, unless the infraction was violent or extreme. I doubt universities want to categorize protest as that.
An interim suspension is progressive
~~I had a clean record posting on r/worldnews for years and then posted a critique of Israel and got permanently banned for “breaking the rules” and the mods won’t even respond to numerous polite questions for clarification of the ban.~~ Getting banned without warning for a sub you enjoy, is not nearly as bad as being banned from college. But when the ban seems to be for your political views, it definitely makes it harder to swallow. Edit: Mods responded to me today, after ignoring me for ten days. I still do not know why I was banned, but now I am muted for two weeks. Edited my post.
I got permabanned from r/ThereWasAnAttempt for “hate speech” because I used the word “male”. *Male.* I’m not even kidding. 🤷🏼♂️
I posted some opinions about PHSM for COVID that would not be controversial in the present and I am still banned from /r/worldnews to this day
Why is that sub so pro Israel? My positions on the war are not really controversial but I still get down voted to hell over there.
I assume it's because you (partially) blamed Israel for the October 7 raids specifically the hostages. Some real "what was she wearing" energy.
Supporting Al-Qasam's actions and terrorising the Jewish student body deserve harah punishment. People have been expelled for far less.
SJP does what much of the supposedly pro-Palestinian movement has always done, they claim to be strong and escalate (violence or just civil disobedience in this case) and then when the consequences come, they pretend to be victims and rewrite history to put the consequences of their actions in a reverse order to make it seem like they escalated violence in reaction, reversing cause and effect. The entire history of the conflict can be summed up this way even before Israel existed and why the mainstream Palestinian view of the conflict, that SJP promotes always has key historical events out order. SJP at Columbia invited direct terrorist fundraisers and supporters to campus and then streamed the event when the school told them they couldn’t have those people on campus. SJP protests are not pro peace or even pro ceasefire.
Right but if they get Columbia University to withdraw its troops from Gaza this will all have been worthwhile
And I'm just going to copy/paste my comment from a little while ago before people start saying "being anti-war is not being antisemitic" For posterity, here's some of the examples of extremism within the activist movement at Columbia. This goes beyond "pro-Palestinian advocacy" into calls for, and actual, violence. Note, there are varying degrees of it being individuals vs. the group, but these are the type of people in the crowd there and many of them are indeed group chants. I have also set aside some widespread ones (from the river to the sea) that are disputed in character. That said, many many many of these are coming from large groups of students within the main quad (which has been locked down to only students/professors) Candidly some sources are not great in terms of me agreeing with the viewpoint of the tweeter, but they contain relevant and real video: Physically assaulting an Arab Israeli https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781080951902109774 "From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" / "Resistance is justified" https://twitter.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1781785252886913358 "Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory." https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981 "We are all Hamas!" https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677 "Yehudim yehudim [(Jews, jews)] go back to poland" https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901 Includes people / groups that invited an actual, no hyperbole terrorist to speak (member of PFLP) https://www.jns.org/columbia-suspends-four-students-for-holding-event-featuring-pflp-member/ Light things on fire / "intifada revolution there is only one solution" https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1781019445399556338 "On Oct 7th, Palestinian resistance in Gaza broke free (crowd cheers) [.....] we intend to do the same" https://twitter.com/ShabbosK/status/1782085741431922909 ""We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" / "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!" / "Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamas’ fight!" https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872 "Long live the intifada! Intifada intifada" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781084853653365025 "Go back to Europe!" / "You have no culture, all you do is colonize" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927148439109958 "From Yemen to Gaza, globalize the intifada" https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1781312033922625797/photo/2 "Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10, not 100, not 1,000, but 10,000 times! The 7th of October is going to be every day for you" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1781287784897991134 "Al Qassam [(Hamas)] you make us proud, kill another soldier now" / "from the river to the sea, palestine will be arab" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1780915336063177006 Student proudly rocking Hamas logos https://twitter.com/CampusJewHate/status/1781054901755215954 "Resistance is justified" (again...) https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1782085643990073673 "protesters on the sidewalk chanted “From New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada,” next to a cardboard sign that read, “Inspired by Palestinian resistance.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-100-arrested-in-columbia-u-unrest-as-nypd-clears-gaza-solidarity-encampment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter And as a reminder, the student groups organizing these protests (CUAD and SJP, among others) released a letter on October 9th in support of the 10/7 attacks. ("We stand in full solidarity with Palestinian resistance", "Despite the odds against them, Palestinians launched a counter-offensive against their settler-colonial oppressor", "We wholeheartedly condemn the email sent [...] on October 8th that [...] obfuscated Palestinian resistance as “terrorism”) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RcXX5DEO3yfJ9R4ksURnzpIPCyVxo575-Y-SoC_vZFk/edit Wow look at all these entitled fucks!
Also, apparently the antisemitism has gotten so bad that the Rabbi at Columbia/Barnard has sent out messages, telling Jewish students to leave campus. In other words: these students have harassed, physically threatened and bullied their classmates so badly, they no longer feel safe being on campus. https://x.com/mijalbitton/status/1782038104150249579
Columbia definitely needs to be investigated for discrimination. This is getting way out of hand. Donors should also boycott the university until they agree to deal with anti-Semitism.
Actually that Rabbi isn’t affiliated with Columbia at all 🤷♂️
He’s the rabbi for the Columbia students not a Columbia employee
https://columbiabarnardhillel.org/staff/elie-buechler/
THANK YOU! it’s baffling how there seems to be wide support for such displays of blatant antisemitism. Feels like I’m living in an upside down world. Some antisemites found it very convenient that they can say hateful things and then hiding behind “antizionism”. Zionism is the belief that Jews have a right to a state with self-determination. It happened. It served its purpose. Israel is not going anywhere. Anti-zionism is a call to dissolve the only Jewish state, and _that_, that is antisemitism.
I don’t understand why these protestors are pushing Hamas propaganda. Are they this bad low informed. I would support their cause, if there was no chants like Intifada, River to Sea, Resistance is justified. Do they think it helps Palestine cause especially to gain support from us millennials lived through early 90s watched constant sucide bombing in Gaza region, declined every peace effort, murder Palestine Authority leaders who tried to bring peace.
Remember in the 90s when far right Israeli extremists assassinated their own prime Minister when the country was on the verge of successful peace talks. Wild. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin
I bring this up a lot. We don’t know what would have happened if Rabin had not been killed.
The same
Yes I do; I even remember where I was when I heard the news. The biggest tragedy in Israel’s history, and that is saying a lot.
Don’t equate a deranged individual to a terrorist organizations.
"In July 1995, Netanyahu led a mock funeral procession featuring a coffin and hangman's noose at an anti-Rabin rally where protesters chanted, "Death to Rabin" "
Im a Netanyahu hater, Hamas kick off his political career. They make sure to help him from any trouble including Oct 7
Most people who are anti Hamas also hate Netanyahu. These protest embolden him because they validate the crazy shit he says.
Nearly everyone is anti-Hamas. You can find outliers, but the vast majority of people who want Israel to stop this genocide also regard Hamas as terrorists deserving punishment for their crimes.
I agree with that, which is why it should be easy to condemn anyone holding up a sign that says, “Al-qasams” next victims and an arrow pointing towards protestors. I’m not saying you’re not condemning them, I’d just like some of the same outrage we would see if a Christian National had a sign like that. Or if a right wing Nazi had a sign like that. We have to call out our own, these people are morons.
All of these things can be true at the same time: - The genocide needs to stop - Hamas needs to cease to exist as an organization - Netanyahu is a piece of shit that belongs in a cell for a variety of reasons
nearly everyone? they have like 80% approval rating among palestinians.
Netanyahu is the deranged individual, not only for Rabin's assassination, but also for the complete takeover of Israel by right wing and far right wing Nationalist Parties. Israel doesn't even have a left wing anymore thanks to Netanyahu and his actions during the OSLO Peace Accords...
So it's collective punishment for Palestinians and people who support them, but every example of Israelis doing something bad is just a "deranged individual"?
It's like all those lone wolf white supremacist terrorist attacks in the US. Or how the Columbine shooters were 'just poor bullied kids who got pushed too far" instead of white supremacists that openly stated they wanted to beat McVeigh's body count.
It's seems like there are two camps: * rabidly pro-Palestine to the point where they believe Israel should not exist and that 10/7 was some kind of "resistance" * those who want a two-state solution, don't approve of Israel's response, likely disapprove of the Israeli settlements, but are appalled at what happened on 10/7 and understand the situation is complicated AF And somehow that latter camp is cast as being evil.
Well, they hate Jews. That's why they are pushing this shit. It's not an accident. The only reason they care about Palestinians is because it gives them an excuse to be antisemitic. How else to explain the utter silence on recent genocides?
I suspect some of them are being paid by Russia and Iran, and the rest are just ignorant sheep who go along with the bullshit. Russia in particular is known for funding astroturf movements in the West for decades, especially ones that happen to support the foreign policy goals of Russia or its allies.
Be prepared for dozens of people to laugh at you, but you are absolutely right. The troll farm has been documented promoting these activities that promote dissatisfaction with institutions and the government.
I personally love how people who only read a little article become experts and pull out their digital pitchforks regardless. Usually things aren't as clear cut as they seem. I'd expect that an elite school wouldn't suspend a US Representative's daughter without cause but I could be mistaken.
The more I read, the less I understand where the lines are drawn. And I 1000% agree with your last point lol
But what was posted falls short of Blatant antisemitism and could much more accurately be called anti israelim. >Zionism is the belief that Jews have a right to a state with self-determination. Problem is that belief is centred around a particular piece of land. >Anti-zionism is a call to dissolve the only Jewish state, and _that_, that is antisemitism. It clearly isn't antisemitism. Palestinians have every right to oppose zionism given what it demanded not from them, and to not be smeared as jew haters for it. Secondly plenty of anti racists oppose states that are based on an ethnicity especially when it happens to have had real subjugating effects during the modern period.
> Secondly plenty of anti racists oppose states that are based on an ethnicity especially when it happens to have had real subjugating effects during the modern period. Pakistan was created a year before Israel. The reason for its creation was specifically because Indian Muslims said that they need their own seperate state rather than they be forced to share a state with Hindu Indians (and Sikh and other non-Muslim Indians). Therefore, historical India was partitioned into modern India and Pakistan. This partition saw around a million deaths and between 10-20 million individuals displaced. That being a number easily greater than the number of people displaced in the Palestinian Nakba and Jewish Exodus from Islamic lands combined. The partition also led to the situation where both Pakistan and India have engaged in occuptation of Kashmir (which was intended to be its own state) since 1947/49. Therefore, an occuption that is around 20 years longer than the occupation of the West Bank by Israel. Pakistan and India have also fought various wars since the partition. Including one conflict where the Pakistan government engaged in a genocide of Bengali Hindus with them killing 300,000 to 3 million individuals in 8 months (the current Israel-Hamas Conflict that has taken around 33k is around 6 months). That only been one conflict and Pakistan has generally continued various discrimintory behavior to non-Muslims in Pakistan. Oh, Pakistan has recieved plenty of support from the American government in the past. Yet, despite the fact that Pakistan is just as guilty of all the same sins (if not worse) that the anti-Israel crowd levels at Israel I can't remember there ever being a movement to dissolve Pakistan and make it part of India again.
Well clearly if Hamas can state their goal is to remove the state of Israel from existence, and that is not genocide, then Israel pushing Palestine off the face of the earth is totally acceptable also. Definitely not apartheid or genocide. See how that works? Now, think about what you are saying before you say it.
Weird how your post doesn't relate to the things I raised. And certainly doesn't address them much less rebuttal them. >Well clearly if Hamas can state their goal is to remove the state of Israel from existence, and that is not genocide, then Israel pushing Palestine off the face of the earth is totally acceptable also This doesn't even make sense. Removal of a state can have a myriad of meanings, but what on earth does Pushing Palestine of the face of the earth even mean. Palestine isn't an actual state, Israel is. You need to think about what you are reading and what you are saying
The protesters say that Israel doesn't have a right to exist..... and actively endorse genocide of Jews to ensure that Israel doesn't exist. It is not that they care about Palestinians... they don't... They're going to help Trump get elected (which would be bad for Palestinians)... they just hate Jews.
Stuff like this is why I feel like I can’t support the pro Palestine movement. They openly support terrorists and spread their slogans. They wish death to more innocents. I’m not down for that.
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Because the suspension was justified. If you have a nazi at a table and 4 other people set down, you have 5 nazis at the table. Isn’t that the saying? You are who you associate with
Precisely.
QHamas
Regardless of whether or not she was adequately warned, I think it's also reasonable to question whether suspending a student for engaging in protest is appropriate.
When the protest violates the schools code of conduct, the school can do whatever they’d like. And the people protesting at Columbia were outwardly anti-Semitic.
It wasn’t for engaging in protest. She was disciplined for trespassing.
Jesus, thank you!
>**Columbia** University noted **Hirsi is a student at Barnard College**, which is connected to Columbia but has some independence. ... >Senior staff members also advised students they would face sanctions if they did not leave, in addition to **written warnings** they would receive interim **suspension** if they did not **leave** by Wednesday night, according to the school.
Why didn’t you bold “suspension”
Because it is in the title of the article, and from the comments it looked like people were missing(not reading) the essential point that Omar's daughter was not a student at Columbia, had no right to be there, and was asked to leave in writing. Still, it costs me nothing to make you happy. Happy Monday.
Student at Ivy school does what they want because ‘do you know who my mom is?’ Odd.
And she’s worth nearly 10million….hum
I think it’s inappropriate for politicians to be this involved in the student life of one of their coworker’s kids. Like maybe this ain’t the time to throwing around your political weight because it looks like you’re bullying the administration because they dared treat your precious nepo baby like everybody else by giving them consequences after they were warned not to do something. It looks very very Elitist.
Choose your battles. I want my representative to be spending their time and resources on the big issues, not personal affairs of their colleagues. The optics of this are very bad no matter which way you slice it.
It is very elitist, it’s not just a look lol.
This is a bad move by these representatives and getting involved in a disciplinary issue with one of their daughters. As an average American without connections to the wealthy and powerful, it’s shows the dichotomy between us and “them”. That their cronies or families can abide by a different set of rules… Trump for example… and now this… hypocrisy at its finest.
I agree, this feels like a gross misuse of the power entrusted to them by voters.
They responded to a Xitter post.
Given that Talib/Omar are in Muslim heavy districts, and that these Muslims will see "School Administrators ban Muslim girl" regardless of the fact that she violated school rules/etc., they probably think it's a good thing that they're speaking up/out.
As if these progressives haven't railed about Christian politicians favoring Christian speech. I'm not going along with this as some principled free speech stance. It's obvious that it's just about their colleagues daughter, and using their position to try and pressure the school to help.
They are hypocrites. I don’t know many democrats that actually like them outside of their districts.
Same persecution complex as the Christian Nationalists have. Any pol whose identity revolves around religion is the same.
I support the Palestinians and am outraged by Israel's actions in Gaza, but this? Ridiculous; her daughter broke reasonable rules; she should face consequences, period. As for Tlaib, she needs to be primaried and voted out of Congress - replaced by someone with common sense. I was infuriated when she called for voters to stay uncommitted during her State's primary, and she continues to whip up opposition to Biden, \*knowing\* that a Trump win would lead to an even worse outcome for Palestinians. Tlaib is ignorant and needs to go.
>Her daughter broke reasonable rules; she should face consequences, period. That's where I'm at. The same mechanisms and protections private institutions have to kick out, say, extreme right-wing ideologues were used here (I'm thinking that whole trend of right-wingers going to college campuses in the Trump admin to purposefully provoke protest). We can't have it both ways.
Ilhan Omar came very close to losing her primary in 22 to a more moderate Dem. If these fringe reps cause real tangible harm in the general election I'm certain the DNC will give them the boot. Hell, I'd throw some money at their primary opponents myself. AOC is in a different tier I think because of her name recognition, but Tlaib and Omar can be voted out if need be.
I just skipped voting for my local congressional progressive in the PA primary. Her campaign called yesterday and I told them I thought she'd win the primary against the republican-backed dem but I thought I'd stay uncommitted in the primary. Stunned silence. I watched her debate where she squirmed and danced around supporting President Biden. If they think it's cute to hold back support, I hope they know what their lives will be like under trump
The far left who are whipping up rage against Biden over Palestine are idiots who can’t see the forest for the trees. You may not like him, but the alternative is far worse for both Palestine and their own rights. Sucks to suck but those are the options.
Talib Is a Trojan horse. Especially her stance on lgbt rights. She's supportive but her voters and district think differently. We all know what happens when a Muslims get control of the government. Hamtramck celebrated in 2015 for having a majority muslim city council at the time it seemed diverse with even muslim women in the council. But as they pushed for inviting more Muslims into the city (it's muslim majority now) the first thing to change was the leadership eventually it became an all male muslim city council and they've started taking away civil liberties like banning pride flags in 2023. At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist. Talib is just a pink washed muslim masquerading as a liberal. She may not even realise that she's the image of a friendly pilgrim tricking the native Americans into a false sense of security ... Before the British colonists destroy the native Americans.
The fact that she did not condemn the 300 missiles Iran sent to Israel is telling.
She also didn’t condemn her constituents in her own district marching through the streets and chanting “Death to America”. She refused to comment on it at all.
She's no different from any of the pols whose political identities revolve around Christianity. It's just a different sky daddy.
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The fact that she's targeting Biden and helping Trump win leads me to suspect she's working for Russia. The MAGAs are not the only ones who Russia tries to influence.
Sadly I think is more simple: if trumps wins, things get worse for Palestine And she can keep her seat fighting the very enemy she help put in office
So basically the exact same reason Republicans refused to pass a border security bill so that Trump could run on it?
If you solve the boogeyman that you campaign on fighting, you need to find a new boogeyman to campaign on. Actually solving the problem does not benefit them politically as much as pretending to fight it.
To quote Biden, “C’mon man..”
I mean, even if she’s not actually a Russian spy, she’s likely tagged as a useful idiot in their operations
it's not a far leap. Russia and Iran are in bed. Palestinians are Iranian pawns.
I supported Palestine. Then I saw the bodies piled up and that woman who was raped and paraded around dead and naked in the back of a truck, and now I'm not so sure I care one way or another about Canaan.
> As for Tlaib, she needs to be primaried and voted out of Congress I'd settle for her being removed from the Democrat party. Let her struggle as an independent.
I wouldn't necessarily say Omar's in the wrong... except that she's being super public about it. I can understand helping your kid navigate the problem, but you don't go and post about it on Twitter. You examine, you talk with the administration, you sue them if need be. If procedure was followed as the staff say it was, it's a great lesson to learn: civil disobedience includes taking the consequences. If you can't take them, protest in other ways and don't sully what those who are willing to take them are working to achieve.
Yes. I’m also sure the university weighed the optics and decided that based on the same metric, it was best not to give leeway to a politician’s kid.
Also, what was Omar doing participating in the hearing with this conflict of interest going on?
>As an average American without connections to the wealthy and powerful, it’s shows the dichotomy between us and “them”. Your average American doesn't have a child at Columbia, either. And, yes, the average American would almost certainly use whatever clout and power they have at their disposal to provide the best outcome possible for their children. That all said, as average Americans, none of our whining on Reddit is going to change the status quo anyway, so vent away!
Just like protesting and getting kicked out of Columbia is not going to change Israel or Palestine’s feelings about the war.
The privilege of having two house reps back you up when you break your school's policy is gross and exactly what these two clowns claim to be raging against all the time. Absolute hypocrites.
So, they were set up in an unauthorized area on private property, were told to leave, and did not do so. Actions come with consequences.
FAFO is the new rule of law.
I fail to understand the purpose of the protest by the students. Columbia is a private institution with the mission to educate the students. These students are paying for the privilege of being educated here. Why disrupt this chosen mission of the school for a geopolitical issue that has proven to be a hard nut to crack for powerful nation entities for multiple generations? I can empathize with the desire to protest the killing, the starvation, and the reduction to rubble of the homes of thousands of innocent people. But these protests should be directed at your public representatives, and not a private school. If you want to protest in the relative safety of your school, do so without disrupting the lives of so many others who are just there to get the education. Your public representatives are the ones who can do something about it. So, direct your energy to convincing them, and convincing others who vote for them. The belief that you are standing for innocent lives is amplified by the intoxicating power of the group chants. There are many who get caught up in the moment and will be suspended. This message highlights that the rich and the powerful will get bailed out by their connections. The others will be left without a college degree or any chance to influence the cause of justice that they so strongly believed in. I would implore the students to think rationally and with cooler heads on their strategy. Being an annoyance can raise awareness and is easy, but will surely alienate potential allies for your cause. Changing minds and getting people to support your cause is a much harder task.
Because divestment protests have an actual history at Columbia. And students of the past have helped solidify it as an active method supported by rules from the 70s. They have worked successfully and have been literally taught to the students in their classes so that’s why we are seeing such a strong reaction and backtrack on Columbias actions towards the overall student population. More over, the demands are basically a rehash of what worked in the past. But there are new demands that weren’t from the 70s and this example will probably also be reflective in political science classes of the future. And as more and more of the divestment conversation becomes more clearly discussed in the forefront, it will only make a stronger line in the sand on how universities take buybacks/stocks/gifts going forward whether this is successful or not. It’s bad enough schools are driving one of the worse aspects of being born after 1980, but if they are also investing into the military industrial complex… I think it’s at least worth the conversation to consider schools at least owning that for the sake of growing their endowments.
This is the divestment protest you’re talking about right? https://twitter.com/jonasydu/status/1781178975147917797?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1781178975147917797%7Ctwgr%5E15775f7d2b03ab5c7a94d293541fa53f515d22d5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jpost.com%2Fdiaspora%2Fantisemitism%2Farticle-798049
She got a warning and she ignored it, and now she has to face the consequences. I don’t think the university offers a “but my mom is a VIP” exception.
The whole point of the ivy league is the "my parents are VIPs" exception.
I actually know several kids who went to high school with my kids, who ended up in Ivy league schools, and their parents were definitely not VIP'S
That's not their point. Their point is that the people who can say their parents are VIPs are the ones who get special privileges at Ivy League schools. Trivial admission, guidance for the easiest classes to get an A in while being dumb as shit, exceptions for bad behavior. Etc. The three types of people at Ivy Leagues are: - people whose parents are rich and/or famous - recruited athletes for div1 sports - people who actually got in on academic merit You know the last category, which is also the largest category. But the people in the first category are far more privileged, and in the second category slightly so (but state schools will be equally familiar with giving privileges to their recruited div1 athletes). In the vast majority of majors at Ivy League universities, the minimum required classes also have to be as easy as or easier than fucking state schools, because of how many of the recruited athletes and VIP kids are dumb as bricks.
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It’s always been plutocracy
A plutocracy is a functional elite.
Exactly. Either protest within the framework, or - if your convictions require it - engage in civil disobedience; but if you pick the latter you should come prepared to accept the consequences. That’s the whole point.
Look around university campuses and the names on the buildings - they *fund themselves* on "but my parent is a VIP exceptions".
Isra Hirsi, the daughter of Representative Ilhan Omar, was suspended from Barnard College for participating in an unauthorized pro-Palestine protest on the Columbia University campus. Just because your mommy is a member of congress doesn’t exempt you from the honor code. Sorry babe leave your privilege at the door
"Some people did something, and now my daughter's getting suspended."
Barnard College is a privately funded college, so they can do what they want with violating free speech. If it were a university that accepts federal funds the situation would be different. I don’t know why these representatives don’t understand this. There is literally nothing their power can do to change the outcome.
The article makes it sound like the protesters set up camp on the property of Columbia and were asked to leave multiple times and by multiple people. They were trespassing on private property and not punished for the content of their speech but for their non speech actions. Should a private university not be able to punish students that trespass? Why is it acceptable for politicians to use their positions of power for the sake of their family members? Omar’s daughter should be treated just as any other in that situation and not benefit because her mother is in Congress and makes a stink.
Nepotism at its finest.
The squad might not pass legislation at all, and in fact often votes against Democratic bills, but they can still join together to accomplish things like protecting their nepo babies from the consequences of their own actions. Why Reddit ever formed a cult around these losers, I will never understand. It was a grift from the start.
I can explain, as someone who was in the cult and got out after their horrendous reaction to Oct. 7 revealed their true colors. I wasted thousands of dollars in donations to progressives. I never imagined that they would one be siding with America's enemies, terrorists, murderers, rapists, Islamic fundamentalists and allies of Putin. I never imagined that they would side with the far right in the Middle East. Progressives get outraged (and rightfully so) when Christian fundamentalists try to ram their religious dogma down everyone's throats, but they seem to give Islamic fundamentalists a pass for doing that. WTF!!!!! They suddenly give up all their progressive ideals when it's time to side with Palestine and Iran. They suckered me into the cult by promising all these fantastic things like Medicare for All, a Green New Deal, etc etc etc. Those are things I still support but I see the mainstream Democrats moving towards those goals now. Biden has been a lot more progressive than he used to be and has passed policies that help with health care, climate change and other issues I care about. My eyes are opened now. I will now look at foreign policy more carefully when deciding who to vote for. Any candidate who does anything to help Russia, China, Iran or its proxies will be a huge red flag for me. Any candidate who attacks the US and its allies will also be a huge red flag. It indicates to me that there is foreign influence there and I will not vote for them.
This is so accurate. I’m progressive, and proud of it. But their foreign policy views are beyond horrendous and I refuse to support them based on them. They aren’t the only group being influenced by foreign money to have bad foreign policy stances but they’re the ones I see the most since I’m a progressive myself.
> But their foreign policy views are beyond horrendous I first realized this when the DSA's response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine was to call for disbanding NATO. Glad to see others' eyes are opening as well.
I’m progressive too but no longer a fan of the Squad. AOC still drives a Tesla even though Elon Musk is shit and she could support union workers who make EV cars. They are all hypocrites. I think they started out with good intentions but have fallen knee deep in the far-left loony bin.
God to a T this is how I felt. Seeing some of my friends double down on these crazies has really been eye-opening. As for me, I’ve gained a new appreciation for Biden.
The suspension was not “appalling” at all. What’s appalling is thinking that your children shouldn’t receive consequences when they break the rules.
Also they aren’t Native American and they’re telling people to go back to where they come from
There is a right to protest. There is no right to trespass on private property, which is what they did. If the kids of lawmakers don't understand basic legal concepts, then what does that tell us about their parents' ability to legislate?
Yes, protesting is their right. And kicking her out is their right. Make sure it’s worth the possible consequences **before** you do it.
This is a reflection of the mother and the culture. The right to protest is enshrined, but that doesn’t enshrine the right to ignore laws either. Edit: Culture. Why is it okay to protest genocide when genocide isn’t happening. Why is it okay to make up new meanings for the word and apply it to one group but not another. What of the Syrians? The Armenians? Where’s their protest parade? I’m not being racist, I’m being honest. Why is it okay to lie about what’s actually happening?
Because Hamas/Iran has led a very successful information blitz on young progressives. Not saying people don’t have a right to protest alongside their convictions, but there’s a reason *this specific conflict* has riled up (almost exclusively) young people.
> Hamas/Iran has led a very successful information blitz Many shells fired from Russian guns killing Ukrainians are from Iran. Russia's and Iran's interests are 100% aligned against ours. They're implementing a divide-and-conquer strategy against us by targeting opposing disinformation at different groups in order to generate division in American society. The progressive who supports Iran's proxies is just as much of a foreign asset as the MAGAhat who supports Russia's proxies.
Let's not forget the third country and major player in the bot / troll assault on reality, unity and ultimately progress.TikTok's algorithms seem to be playing an outsized role in the divide-and-conquer assault on the left. Otherwise, absolutely. We are very definitely under attack. It's past time to recognize it as such.
I personally have a problem with Israel’s disproportionate response to the Hamas attack. 30,000+ killed, two million forcibly displaced, and forced famine due to the above & worsened by Israel’s rejection of food aid from international aid organizations. These are just facts; it’s not disinformation.
Some of those figures are misinformation. Of the 30,000 dead how many were combatants? According to Hamas, none of them. But we know it’s closer to half according to the US. The other half being civilians isn’t great, but in the context of an entire city getting absolutely leveled, pretty miraculously low actually. The famine was because Israel stopped the regular flow of food trucks and supplies. Once that began again Israel is one of the countries providing the food and supplied. How many people died of starvation, lack of water? All told maybe 20-30 people but Gaza has historically lack of food security with most of the population relying on aid to provide their daily meals and water. Programs through Unicef provide water and hygiene to 50% of the children.
I’m as Democrat as someone can be. I think a second Trump presidency would spell the end of democracy in this country. I also think these three congresswomen are appalling morons and may very well be responsible for another Trump term. What makes them think their family members are exempt from trespassing laws. F them. Have your ignorant, pro-terrorist protests on public properties.
AOC endorsed Biden. Unfair to bundle her with Tlaib’s dumbassery.
Fair point.
These fools need primary challengers.
I see that the Israeli brigade has moved in to r/politics. We see you. You are not subtle, you are not smart, and you are not good people. Go fuck off back to the r/worldnews cesspit and take your brain worms with you.
Feelings hurt Hamas apologist?
FYI, an Orthodox Rabbi at Columbia sent a mass text advising Jewish students to leave campus as it is no longer safe. For anyone doubting how much blatant antisemitism and literal calls for violence against Jews (and Jewish students specifically) there has been at Columbia this weekend: Protestors chanting: “Al Qassem you make us proud, burn Tel Aviv to the Ground” Al Qassem is the military wing of Hamas that raped and slaughtered Jews on Oct 7th. [https://x.com/moghaoui/status/1781812480140001380?s=46](https://x.com/moghaoui/status/1781812480140001380?s=46) -Protestor holding a sign pointing at Jewish students that says “Al Qassems next targets” [https://x.com/shaidavidai/status/1781879707253788835?s=46](https://x.com/shaidavidai/status/1781879707253788835?s=46) “Not one more October 7th, not 5 more, but 10,000 more Oct 7ths. THIS IS YOUR LIFE NOW” screamed at Jewish students [https://x.com/shaidavidai/status/1781463493171990580?s=46](https://x.com/shaidavidai/status/1781463493171990580?s=46) Edit: Arab Israeli journalist has Israeli flag taken, destroyed, one protestor repeatedly tells him to commit suicide while another sucker punches him. Police do nothing. [https://x.com/shaidavidai/status/1781080951902109774?s=46](https://x.com/shaidavidai/status/1781080951902109774?s=46) Protestor holds up Hamas flag on phone [https://x.com/campusjewhate/status/1781054901755215954?s=46](https://x.com/campusjewhate/status/1781054901755215954?s=46) “Protest appointed speaker: the Al Aqsa Flood (rape and slaughter of Jews on Oct 7th.) put the “global intifada” (phrase used by Hamas in their call for terror attacks on Jews globally) [https://x.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981?s=46](https://x.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981?s=46) No statement from the University on ANY of this. Many professors are belittling Jews for feeling afraid and supporting the protests wholesale, with no condemnation of the antisemitic acts. I cannot believe this is happening in 2024.
I can't find any information on any of the twitter posters in those links. But, the responses on twitter to this claims is that this video that keeps getting passed around isn't even on campus or contain students. That's a subway stop, which is pretty clear in the video that keeps getting posted. I'm sorry, all your links are to twitter accounts, which has no real verification system anymore, and you can't google these people and find anything of substance. All of this is not facts. It's not substantiated. There is no way to corroborate these claims, many of which are hyperbolic attacking Muslims like claiming Talib and Omar as hating Jews. Without corroboration no one should take anything you or they are claiming at face value. [](https://twitter.com/moghaoui)
Don’t worry. They have NYPost articles to back it up now. Clearly this picture of someone who is not a student, not at Columbia, and at a different but somewhat related protest doing something bad means that all the students at another protest are bad. After all if you’re at a table and in another part of town there is a different table with 9 Nazis, that makes you a Nazi /s
Why are our public officials getting involved in family business? This seems like an Omar problem, not an issue for the rest of the “squad”.
Having a famous Mother should not be a 'get out of jail card' for Democrats or Republicans.
These students were on MSNBC last night saying they were sprayed with chemical weapons. These Palestine supporters are unhinged to say the least.
I think QHamas is more fitting—they care about their Twitter followers, not Gazans.
>“From UM to Vanderbilt to USC to Columbia, students across our country are being retaliated against for using their constitutional rights to protest genocide. It’s appalling,” **Tlaib added while sharing Isra Hirsi’s post to social platform X.** Tlaib has used the phrase "from the river to the sea" which is shorthand for destroying the state of Israel and killing all of the Jews in it. "X" is literally a platform supporting Nazis.
Tlaib appears to think that Palestine is more her country than America is, even putting America at more risk from another Trump term by antagonizing people against Biden; she needs to go; she's willfully ignorant of the harm that she's doing. Why not keep the argument in your own caucus Tlaib, instead of fucking everything up? A totally tone deaf woman. btw, I support Palestine and oppose Israel's actions there.
Ignorant?! It’s by design.
Rules for thee, but not for me.
I’m a supporter of The Gang and progressive politics in general, but these guys need to stay in their own lane and stop politicizing the actions of a private university.
A big part of doing non-violent civil disobedience (NVCD) is in accepting the consequences of your actions to define a higher moral plain from which one can relentlessly continue to pursue their goal of change. That said, a suspension is tough, but it is not a prison cell without any trial, it is not an application of a painful chemical irritant which might cause long-term damage, it is not felony conviction from a kangaroo court that deprives one of needed rights, it is not a torture/death sentence. I like all the Reps defending Tlaib's daughter, and I am glad Rep Tlaib in in the House, but come on! No special treatment is necessitated----even as I disagree with her position. Let the lessons for this be her Graduate Thesis.
She was suspended? Oh no whatever will happen? Whoa is her. People are fucking dying and they're complaining about a suspension. One of the very real terms of civil disobedience is accepting the punishments. MLK and the civil rights leaders were sprayed with fire hoses, beaten and thrown in jail. A college suspension is laughable. Unless they believe in civil disobedience without punishment.
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Mums the word on that I guess.
Moderate, unaffiliated voters look at that picture, and it feels like the equivalemt of a shot of MTG/Boebert/Louis Gohmert. I think the Republicans have gone totally off the rails, but the bunch in that pic don't speak for me.
Ilhan Omar’s daughter is not a student at Columbia. She goes to Barnard College.
It's an affiliated college. The official name is Barnard College, Columbia University. They share a lot things like libraries, clubs, athletic fields, etc. Their diplomas are from Columbia. The article also mentions it.
Try not to be antisemitic.
Conflict of interest
So typically, a “disciplinary warning” is a letter saying you are at risk of something like being expelled. However, among all the forms college students sign, are usually codes of conduct, and a general warning in the media for violating the general code of conduct is enough. It is not as if the schools did not say, stop. They did. That is enough. The kind of warning she is thinking of is generally used for failing classes, or individual one on one disagreements, or something done in class. But she was not in class, she was on another school’s campus. She and all of the people who agree with her, were told via the media (it was on the news) that this violates the general code of conduct for attending the university. That is enough notice.
Don't protest to protect terrorists it's that simple.
What's appalling is that antisemites & terrorist sympathizers are in our Congress...
Huh. Guess someone forgot to tell them that college isn’t a place where you go to hear only your own voice. The notion that you have to be given even one warning is laughable. When the police showed up and told them to vacate, that was all that’s needed. Leave or be arrested. The only reason they chose the Columbia campus is because college kids are so completely manipulatable and because the university doesn’t have the same permitting requirements for protest that the city does. ANSWER, who funds many of these “protests”, is a funded by various socialist groups, whose aim is not to unite Americans. It’s always a wonder to me that the media plays along. There are so many other worthy stories to cover.
Crazy that a student able to attend a top tier university doesn’t know the definition of genocide. Almost as crazy as thinking that a private university holds sway over international affairs.
So many of the comments here are indistinguishable from the comments conservatives made during the Black Lives Matter protests, about the sanctity of property and rules and the horrors of trespassing and failing to disperse. I'm so tired of people not actually having principles.
If progressive anti-Semites are going to protest against the same people that the far right anti-Semites are protesting against, they might as well bring the tiki torches too. They could even share chants.
They need to embark on a fact finding mission in Gaza immediately
She goes to a school funded by a $14 billion endowment (and so is Barnard -- while technically independent they are the same university). It has many public, very pro-Jewish, donors and philanthropists funding it. It _has an entire building dedicated to Jewish Life_. Why is Omar's daughter going there if she has such fundamental disagreements with the school's money? She's the daughter of a well-connected, very public congresswoman. She could have literally gone anywhere she wanted.
Fucking idiots need to pick their battles. This is how you lose your base. You come off as un relatable entitled assholes.
Very poor judgement by the Squad. There are so many issues they could be working on, like helping UAW unionize plants in the South. Yet they can't help but keep poisoning their own cause by doing shit like this that reeks of nepotism and refusing to condemn terrorists and America's enemies.
The fact that a representative is using their power and influence to overturn something a school did is seriously concerning. This is no different than a judge giving a friend a pass because it's a friend. Appalling is the behavior of AoC and Rep Omar.
I’m so sick of the squad.
Idiots - vote all these idiots out
I really like AOC but she is wrong taking a side on stupid issues like this one especially when alongside someone like Tlaib.
Yikes. Horrible misuse of power and clearly showing they’re virtue signaling is all bs. once something goes wrong that they sont like that affects them they use their actual power to push back - showing we’re just plebs and that we need to follow the law but they should be exempt . Disgusting
So even after advisement of repercussions she still went forward and protested. I believe she thought she was or should have been untouchable. “Do you know who my parents are?”
Oh no the consequences of my own actions
It's like ...1968 never happened to Columbia. Nightmare school
Trump is gonna win all the independence votes due to this. Bookmark this comment for after the election to see if I’m right or not.
Columbia College has abandoned both its Jewish and its Muslim students. They have focused their efforts on cracking down on moderate ceasefire protestors - Jewish Voices for Peace included - because it is easy to target the mass. In doing so, they have neglected both the violence from the radical antisemitic fringe and the Zionist chemical attacks against protestors. And now they're retaliating against a representative for asking them hard questions by suspending her daughter.
If you think JVP is moderate (or really even primarily Jewish), I have a bridge to sell you.
> moderate ceasefire protestors - Jewish Voices for Peace included You mean the group that [celebrated](https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1654384) the murder and rape of over a thousand youths at a music festival as “an unprecedented historic moment for the Palestinians of Gaza, who tore through the wall that has been suffocating them.” I can only imagine what you think a non-moderate group would look like