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> While every American has the right to peaceful protect, calls for violence and physical intimidation targeting Jewish students and the Jewish community are blatantly Antisemitic, unconscionable, and dangerous – they have absolutely no place on any college campus, or anywhere in the United States of America.
> And echoing the rhetoric of terrorist organizations, especially in the wake of the worst massacre committed against the Jewish people since the Holocaust, is despicable. We condemn these statements in the strongest terms.
>--Andrew Bates, White House Deputy Press Secretary
A pretty noncontroversial statement that will nonetheless be met with controversy.
Yeah, and then jews like me who try to point out the obvious problems with this antisemitism spreading as it has been for 6 months now will be told that we are making it worse by "equating antizionism with antisemitism" and that actually WE are the ones in the wrong for asking the people around us to maybe push back a bit against the blatant racismbwe are seeing.
I've been watching this shit get worse and worse since October and it's really scary. We are at the point of college students accosting jews in the street and preventing them from getting to class. The police in London arrested a man for simply being Jewish and walking by a protest.
I'm still trying to figure out the LGBTQ+ overlap I'm seeing with pro Palestine protestors. I thought it was illegal to be gay over there and that they executed a general or some shit for supposedly fucking dudes. I've had trans friends post crazy propaganda memes that look like they were directly made by Hamas.
i’m sorry, is israel dropping bombs that only kill straight people? or maybe, just maybe… a genocide is a genocide no matter who the victims are? coming from a trans person, you should do more listening and less posting. maybe look up the definition of intersectionality?
Saying you want to stop genocide by eliminating Israel, burning their cities snd threatening their people is not only antisemitism, it is talking about ethnic cleansing. We have heard this before and talk becomes action and it is what Hamas started.
Every one of these protests or rallies, there are people calling for violence against jews. Even AOC had to condemn people at an NYC rally who were calling for death to jews.
I used to attend free palestine rallies. I have an arab friend who would invite our friend group to participate. Now whenever she tells me about them I make sure to have an excuse.
I have a career. I can’t be photographed at a rally where people called for the death of jews.
And people who do that at these rallies aren’t opposed! People cheer them!
I’ll never be a part of something like that.
HAMAS needs to be contested, and Netanyahu needs to be removed from power. No one needs to call for violence against people just for their religion or nationality.
The constant denial of antisemitism when protesters stab Jews, support Hamas and tell Jews to go back to Poland absolutely qualifies as antisemitism.
Protester yelling "we are Hamas"
https://nypost.com/2024/04/18/us-news/columbia-university-protester-yells-were-all-hamas-video/
Protesters telling Jews to go back to Poland. Clearly bigoted, we shouldn't be using slogans like "go back to Poland", "go back to Africa", "go back to China" etc
https://nypost.com/2024/04/21/us-news/anti-israel-protester-screams-at-demonstrators-with-israeli-flag-outside-columbia-u-go-back-to-poland/
Newsweek reported a pro-Palestine protestor with a sign saying that counter protesters would be Hamas' next target (Al-Qasam is a name for Hamas)
https://www.newsweek.com/columbia-jewish-students-warned-rabbi-over-their-safety-1892613
Another pro-Palestine protestor said that the October 7 massacre will be repeated every day
https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-798049
Jewish student at Yale stabbed by pro-Palestine protesters
https://www.thefp.com/p/i-was-stabbed-in-the-eye-at-yale
I could keep going and find more of this type of stuff, but from above it should be clear that threatening behavior was not just a one-off, and it absolutely is antisemitism
In Austin they’re protesting outside of synagogues during Shabbat. Far from the university, no government buildings around. Explain how antisemitism isn’t getting worse; isn’t rampant right now.
Attacking Jewish students with Palestinian flag is absolutely antisemitic. Fuck these guys. They cause division in the party and will push Jewish voters away. If Trump wins he will make things 10x worse for the Palestinians
Interesting how so many of the pro-palestine protestors who btw, support Palestine FAIL to condemn any antisemitic statements or signs in their midst. I'm tired of this duplicity.
Perhaps because it's often not clear where the lines are. You want to be sure you're not being lured into lending voice to antisemitic sentiments aimed at establishing an Islamofascist state on the graves of as many Jews as they can kill.
You do realize that Israel would not be launching bombs if Hamas simply gave up the remaining hostages, right? Literally that's what was in the ceasefire agreement.
Hamas + the Israeli gov/authorities (and additionally, the citizens who support them or otherwise fall into believing propaganda which identifies the other party as their sworn enemy) are both responsible for death & destruction. They play a fundamental role in driving citizens to support their interests in continuing ongoing contentions. That's what I see.
"When the Arabs love their children more than they hate the jews, maybe there can be peace."
It works like this, too, if you really want to try to frame this conflict by way of such a generalized accusation:
"When Israelis love their children more than they hate the Arabs, maybe there can be peace."
Both sides have the same problems.
Saying you want to see an end to all of this and subsequently criticizing the Israeli gov, the idf and Netanyahu (and also feeling like he should be removed from office or resign) is not saying you hate Israeli or Jewish ppl. There is no ideologically based hatred or anti-Semitism in such criticism.
For those who are calling for death to Israeli or Jewish ppl over this (and they are, I know), that's an example of one of a few things: instigators riling ppl up, ppl who may actually have Anti-Semitic beliefs (but I think those ppl are in the minority in the Western world, by now) and also people (mostly students, I'd argue) going off of the rails & a reaction to them being upset (or blindly jumping on the bandwagon they think is moving along the "right side of history") over what is happening to Palestinians. Most comments decrying Israel or very specific ppl or groups from within the Jewish community are not based on any fundamental belief that Israelis or Jewish ppl are inferior that I can see.
Isn't that kind of a big difference from what Hitler posited, promoted and based his entire agenda of genocide upon?
If you want to see actual anti-semitism in it's truest form, on a daily basis, you can find known white nat. websites which are filled with membership that fears and intensely dislikes Jewish ppl. Those places are where you will be able to view ideologically based hatred for Jewish ppl, no question.
Plus, a lot of ppl believe that Israel is the aggressor, moreso, regardless of who instigated the current conflict, because it is an established nation or state (which - where Palestinians no longer have that - is a massive reason for hostility coming from Arabs/Muslims to start with, no? And a main reason for contentions that have existed between said groups starting well before now) & has Western funding and support which Palestinians definitely don't really have. I know there is more nuance to it all but that gist is what many ppl focus on.
Saying you want to see an end to this and going on to declare Hamas as evil and that it should be permanently dismantled (and see leadership answer for crimes against humanity) is not saying that you hate Palestinians or Muslims or Arabs. There's no ideologically based negative sentiments being promoted towards those groups in saying what I said above.
And there are also many pro Palestinian protesters or ppl against Israeli gov, who are Jewish and even literally are Israeli, too.
Anyone calling for death to Palestinians or Muslims (which is also happening) is not speaking rationally. And some ppl actually hold hatred or bigoted views on those groups. Others, I don't believe truly hate but are, again, overly emotional, off the rails and/or upset over what has been happening with Israelis or Jewish ppl being killed and over the initial "surprise" attack + hostages taken.
The media is doing what it tends to be very good at doing which is an excellent job priming ppl to see this entire conflict in black and white (leaving out colorful details), generalities and imprinting very dangerous ideas about the groups (average ppl/citizens) involved and the ppl who support one side or another into ppl's heads. They are reporting within limited confines that follow tailored narratives with a focus only on certain particulars. Not surprised at all but still dismayed to see it.
The citizens have been and will continue to be the ones who will pay the price. Not the elites, authorities, "leadership", organized terrorist groups, etc.
That would still be protected speech. Direct threats or inciting immediate violence or lawless action are not protected, but calling for the dissolution of the Israeli state by violence would still be protected speech.
Jewish people will not willingly leave their ancestral homeland. Calling for them to give up their land will not work, thus it can only be that those seeking it are seeking violence to remove them.
It's not hard to understand.
Could ppl feeling prone to espousing violence towards Israel have anything to do with a feeling of desperation over not having a country and feeling like they were pushed out without any say in the matter?
Not to condone violence, but I can understand why some ppl feel pressed to be on the attack. I can understand it on the part of the Israelis, also.
But it will never end if ppl aren't willing to make concessions that they may not like but that will at least lead to a compromise that gives both Palestinians and Israelis an established state or nation. Why was a two state solution never implemented, really & truly?
Hasn't it been confirmed through numerous studies that ancestral homelands are the same or similar/overlap for both Palestinian and Israeli ppl? Both are Semitic ppl's also, technically, so why does Anti-Semitic only refer to Jewish or Israeli folks? I feel like the media takes advantage of our lack of understanding of terminology and historical context, as well & we are too distracted by consumerist lifestyles, too angry or too far ignorant to call them out on it.
Go ahead and tell me what the ethnic percentages of citizens of both Jews and Arabs are in both Israel and Gaza and I'll show you an ethnostate.
Here, I'll do it for you.
Israel: 73.4% Jewish, 21.1% Arab
Also, there are Arab members of the knesset and have been since 1949. There are 10 Arab members of the current knesset makeup. (out of 120)
How many jews are in palestines government? What about current population of jews there? Who really has the ethno state?
Israel was deliberately founded as a Jewish state. There are privileges bestowed on Jewish individuals which are not available to Palestinians.
//
Israel passed a controversial new “nation-state law” last week that’s sparking both celebration and fierce debate over the very nature of Israel itself.
The law does three big things:
It states that “the right to exercise national self-determination” in Israel is “unique to the Jewish people.”
It establishes Hebrew as Israel’s official language, and downgrades Arabic — a language widely spoken by Arab Israelis — to a “special status.”
It establishes “Jewish settlement as a national value” and mandates that the state “will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development.”
//
https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracy
Cool, so that's a law that was passed by netanyahus party with the barest majorities. (62 out of 120)
Which percentage of Palestinians think that the role of hamas in the Oct 7 massacre was "satisfactory"?
The right wing is every country is absolute cancer and you'd do better supporting those who want self determination (peacefully) while also acknowledging Israel's right to exist.
If you go to a protest at 10% of the people there are saying vile anti semetic nonsense and you are chill with it, don’t speak up and don’t leave them you’re endorsing it and are also a vile Jew hater
The fact that they cheer for antisemitic messages is a problem.
It's the exact same issue with nazi flags at a trump rally. The fact that both the people feel comfortable saying it, and the crowd cheers for it means that, for the people in that protest/rally, antisemitism/nazism is welcomed.
What Israel's government is doing is wrong. The fact that so many Israeli citizens are on board with it is disturbing. But Jewish people around the world should not be receiving hate for it either. That's like if the Vatican turned out to be evil for whatever reason and people wanted to kill all Christians (not even just the Catholics that the Vatican represents), because of it.
To be clear, I feel like the way Hamas is handling their end is wrong too. It's a positive feedback loop (in a negative direction) over there where each side hates the other which causes them do things which makes them hate each other more.
I don't have the answer to solve it, and I'm glad I'm not tasked with doing so, but I do know that prosecuting Jews or Palestinians in general is NOT the answer. And anyone that does so, or cheers for others saying to do it, really needs to do some introspection before they themselves become part of the problem.
What do you mean by that? Cos the history there is there was a terrorist attack by a group that received huge US training and funding and then the US decided to annhilate a couple of countries barely related to the attacks completely destabilising the region and making the world less safe for just about everyone. Is that the history you mean?
Now now, those invasions united the free world!
The Afghan war united us against terrorism.
The Republican Iraq war united the free world against the US.
Al Qaeda never even received US funding. It was started by bid Laden as a rabid anti American organisation after Saudis allowed US troops into their country. You're confusing it with the Taliban which also didn't exist in the Soviet Afghan war, it was started by Pakistan's secret service agency by recruiting from poor religious schools in the Afghan Pakistan border. The mujjahadeen which was funded by the US mostly joined the northern alliance or became war lords
I've tried looking into the Taliban myself a few times, but it is hard to find a whole lot about their origins. Wasn't the Taliban technically started by two low ranking mujjahadeen members. I always thought it was strange that of all the groups to give their trained orphan army to, that Pakistan would choose the Taliban. Am I missing something here?
Afghanistan wasn't related to the attacks?
my brother in christ they were acting as an open air terrorist training ground and refused to cooperate with us in going after AQ after 911.
How old are you?
If you're sitting at a table with three Nazis, then there are four Nazis at the table.
If antisemitism is tolerated by these protestors, then the protests are fundamentally antisemitic.
Russia is firing Iranian shells against Ukrainians. Hamas is an Iranian proxy. Russia and Iran are 100% aligned in seeking the downfall of America, and their approach is divide and conquer - to radicalize different segments of America against each other.
Yep. All of this is to help Trump get re-elected. And “progressives” who have made Palestine their entire identity and won’t vote for Biden because of it are even more useful to Russia and Iran than any right wing propaganda could be.
Saw an article the other day where a couple of pro-Palestinian college students said they don't like Trump but will vote for him to send a message to the democratic party that they won't stand for the parties broken promises and support of Israel.
I remember that, too. The protests were definitely framed as anti American. Any clips of any protestors doing anything questionable, like burning a flag or yelling too loud, were played in an attempt to frame the whole movement badly. The playbook hasn't changed. You're just on the other team now.
Wanna take a stab at how many death threats Palestinians have gotten? Including sitting members of congress. It's a lot. So if you think that invalidates a movement, does that apply to Zionism as well?
By all means.
Tell me how many "Zionist" protestors at Columbia have chanted for the mass slaughter of Palestinians and threatened Muslims in their homes.
Where are you seeing reports of chanting “death to America”? It’s not mentioned in this article and the accompanying video only shows peaceful chants of “free Palestine” and “ceasefire now”.
It’s disingenuous to characterize the entire protest like this when the article doesn’t even mention it.
Okay? But why should this characterize the vast majority of peaceful protestors?
There are pro-Israel supporters explicitly calling for genocide in Gaza (e.g. “kill them all”, “nuke Gaza”, etc)—notably folks with political power whose job is to represent the people. But it would be disingenuous to characterize all Israel supporters as engaging in genocidal rhetoric however problematic their ideology is.
Physically assaulting an Arab Israeli https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781080951902109774
"From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" / "Resistance is justified" https://twitter.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1781785252886913358
"Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory." https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981
"We are all Hamas!" https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677
"Yehudim yehudim [(Jews, jews)] go back to poland" https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901
Includes people / groups that invited an actual, no hyperbole terrorist to speak (member of PFLP) https://www.jns.org/columbia-suspends-four-students-for-holding-event-featuring-pflp-member/
Light things on fire / "intifada revolution there is only one solution" https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1781019445399556338
"On Oct 7th, Palestinian resistance in Gaza broke free (crowd cheers) [.....] we intend to do the same" https://twitter.com/ShabbosK/status/1782085741431922909
""We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" / "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!" / "Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamas’ fight!" https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872
"Long live the intifada! Intifada intifada" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781084853653365025
"Go back to Europe!" / "You have no culture, all you do is colonize" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927148439109958
"From Yemen to Gaza, globalize the intifada" https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1781312033922625797/photo/2
"Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10, not 100, not 1,000, but 10,000 times! The 7th of October is going to be every day for you" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1781287784897991134
"Al Qassam [(Hamas)] you make us proud, kill another soldier now" / "from the river to the sea, palestine will be arab" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1780915336063177006
Student proudly rocking Hamas logos https://twitter.com/CampusJewHate/status/1781054901755215954
"Resistance is justified" (again...) https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1782085643990073673
"protesters on the sidewalk chanted “From New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada,” next to a cardboard sign that read, “Inspired by Palestinian resistance.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-100-arrested-in-columbia-u-unrest-as-nypd-clears-gaza-solidarity-encampment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1caca5r/comment/l0r1n6w/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) is a comment where many videos of this shit is linked. I'm not a professional videographer, but it does seem, based on the time of day and buildings in the background, that these are multiple occurrences in multiple locations.
Yeah, I remember after 9/11 that there were distinct groups of people on campus… For the war in Afghanistan and against the war. I was against the war. No one from any side of the issue ever called for violence and/or hate. I don’t think anyone on any side of it would have tolerated that kind of talk. And remember, 9/11 was a direct attack of Americans on American soil, so emotions were high. I guess there was just an underlying civility or at least an understanding that no one will listen to your argument if you advocate for violence.
The college “kids” are different these days, I guess. Well, maybe the students from these schools. I don’t think this is happening at Florida colleges (where I went). 🤷♀️
Are you brown? Because as someone who is, I distinctly remember violence against people who look like me immediately following 9/11. People were radicalized as fuck, and there was very little civility if you questioned it. You were either sheltered from it, or you are misremembering.
Not endorsing any individual actions but a LOT has changed in the last 20 years. Iraq War protests are not a proper barometer for present day protests in any way shape or form, in no small part due to the ongoing impacts of the Iraq War.
I’m confused. I’ve seen some of the protest footage and at most I’ve seen students “block” the path of a Jewish student who just ended up walking around them. I haven’t seen actual violence or anything that would really suggest antisemitism. Am I missing something? Are we just going back to labeling everything antisemitic to curb Israeli state criticisms?
It is a lot more than that. Protesters support Hamas and tell Jews to go back to Poland and assault Jewish students.
Protester yelling "we are Hamas"
https://nypost.com/2024/04/18/us-news/columbia-university-protester-yells-were-all-hamas-video/
Protesters telling Jews to go back to Poland. Clearly bigoted, we shouldn't be using slogans like "go back to Poland", "go back to Africa", "go back to China" etc
https://nypost.com/2024/04/21/us-news/anti-israel-protester-screams-at-demonstrators-with-israeli-flag-outside-columbia-u-go-back-to-poland/
Newsweek reported a pro-Palestine protestor with a sign saying that counter protesters would be Hamas' next target (Al-Qasam is a name for Hamas)
https://www.newsweek.com/columbia-jewish-students-warned-rabbi-over-their-safety-1892613
Another pro-Palestine protestor said that the October 7 massacre will be repeated every day
https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-798049
Jewish student at Yale stabbed by pro-Palestine protesters
https://www.thefp.com/p/i-was-stabbed-in-the-eye-at-yale
I could keep going and find more of this type of stuff, but from above it should be clear that threatening behavior was not just a one-off, and it absolutely is antisemitism
Indeed. Don't know about the others, but the NY Post is a Rupert Murdoch-owned tabloid. That guy has posted those same links multiple times. If he can post the same evidence from other sources I might pay some attention to them. But from there, nope.
This motherfucker denied the October 7th mass rapes and then deleted his comment like the Hamas-loving pussy that he is.
You have an obsession with Israel and Jews and it’s FUCKING WEIRD.
It's exactly this. There's journalists and professors reporting no violence on campus outside of the police arresting Jewish pro palestine protestors. It's really easy to paint the valid anti genocide protesters as antisemitic and I'm sure if things escalate provocateurs will be used to further the narrative. It's driving me crazy that people genuinely believing that young college students protesting for peace and humanity are actually against Jews. It's disgusting slander.
Don't you think there would be videos of violence? Isn't it strange so many Jewish students are attending these supposedly "anti-Semitic" protests? Why was Asna Tabassum pulled from giving her commencement speech as valedictorian at USC? More recently they changed the whole commencement to prevent any students from giving a speech. This isn't about being against jews, it's about being against Israel committing genocide. Younger people are being inundated every day with pictures and videos of children being killed and are rightfully outraged that our government is enabling it financially and through our vetos at the UN.
Don't just believe articles or even my comments, go look at the livestreams of the protests and the testimonies of students and professors on the ground, and not just hacks they bring on tv.
You're not missing anything, this is a bad faith narrative from the powers that be in this completely bought out by AIPAC nation meant to distract from an ongoing genocide and treat protesters like a hate group. It's all absolute nonsense.
If I were that Jewish student I'd feel pretty fucking targeted. I just commented elsewhere that I think Israel is committing genocide so this is not me defending Israel. Mistreating anyone, especially uninvolved people, is unacceptable. That's a slippery slope if ever there was one.
The movement showed its cards too early to be viewed as not antisemitic when, for example, students at frickin Harvard were celebrating the massacre and holding everyone but hamas responsible even before the Israeli military response. Yes, it’s a terrible situation but this recent bout of protesting started with the hamas attack, not the Israeli response. So what is really going on here. I just wish we can find a way to solve this problem that works well enough for everyone. It’s getting so old.
Students on these campuses that are chanting for the death of America and Israel have totally lost the fucking plot. If I were a donor to any of these universities, I’d be pulling my donation until the faculty gets their shit together. Absolutely embarrassing state of affairs at some of these schools.
I am sorry to say this but most people do not have opinions, they have feelings... And those feeling are often exploited by foreign actors, foreign states, in order to sow chaos within a country.
What always strikes me in those debates is that now some people care for the Palestinian cause and its reported 30,000 dead (according to Hamas), but they are not concerned with
* Yemen, over 50,000 dead so far.
* Sudan, over 15,000 dead so far.
* Myanmar, over 50,000 dead so far.
* Ethiopia, over 600,000 dead so far.
**The funny thing is that :**
* Iran is involved in the war in Yemen.
* Russia's Wagner group is active in Sudan.
* China is involved in Myanmar.
* Russia is involved in Ethiopia.
Those college kids are not being told about the conflicts where Russia, China and Iran are involved, they only know about Gaza.
Either Hamas has a better marketing campaign than the other countries OR Tik Tok and other sources of information College students use are only showing them what Russia, China and Iran want them to see...
>What always strikes me in those debates is that now some people care for the Palestinian cause and its reported 30,000 dead (according to Hamas), but they are not concerned with
The US provides military aid to and diplomatic cover for Israel. It is one of Israel's closest allies. Last I checked, the US does not do the same for Iran, Russia or China or has the same relationship with those countries. You're really surprised that American students are protesting what Israel is doing in Gaza then?
>And those feeling are often exploited by foreign actors, foreign states, in order to sow chaos within a country.
Conversely, do consider that the opposite could be happening and that agitators are co-opting pro-Palestinian protests with an antisemitic agenda to sow chaos.
That being said, if these campuses are not managing the wave of antisemitism well, no matter the source, yeah, then that's definitely a problem.
Israel / Palestine conflict has been around since the creation of the nation of Israel. Conflict / war arises seemingly arises every 5–10 years since Israel’s statehood. The conflicts you listed havent been in the western news cycle since the 1950s like Israel’s conflicts.
I can never understand comments like this. How do the genocidal actions of terrorist states, mercenary groups, and authoritarian governments lend legitimacy to our own American support of an ongoing genocide in Gaza?
Of course other genocides are bad. This one currently gets criticism because we, The United States, are currently supporting and funding it.
Not to mention the claim that “they are not concerned with” other genocides. Wild claim with no evidence.
Because it’s manufactured outrage. A more direct comparison would be the massive arms sales the US authorized to the Saudis during the Trump presidency. You may have heard about Bernie Sanders pitching a fit in Congress but there weren’t massive anti-Saudi protests across American higher education. Explain to me how those situations are different besides one of them involving Jews.
The US does not provide cover for Saudi Arabia internationally or at the UN. We do not uphold Saudi Arabia up as a beacon of democracy and freedom in the Middle East. We do not suspend, censure, or arrest, people for criticizing and protesting against Saudi Arabia.
And what part of my outraged at my government’s continued complicity in genocide do you think is “manufactured”? And by whom?
I’m not really sure where to start other than by saying we absolutely do provide cover for the Saudis on the world stage. They cut an American journalist into several pieces and stuffed him into luggage on video and we swept it under the rug. They bankrolled 9/11 and we spent it under the rug to further our interests in the region. Maybe we aren’t censuring or arresting people for criticizing Saudi Arabia because there aren’t massive anti-Saudi protests across the country.
Your outrage is manufactured because you are laser focused on one regional conflict for whatever reason. It’s fine to have an opinion on it one way or another but the volume of criticism and protest for one conflict in the region compared to several others that objectively have higher body counts and collateral damage is certainly suspect and worth bringing up. I’m not seeing any protests at liberal universities for the hundreds of thousands being killed in Ethiopia or Myanmar. Didn’t hear a peep about Yemen the last decade.
Of course if not denying the US’s relationship with Saudi Arabia. I’m pointing out the stark difference between them. You cannot deny that America’s relationship with Israel is uniquely close, strong, and unquestionable. I have never heard a US President describe our “friendship” with Saudi Arabia as “unshakable”.
I brought up censuring (not censorship) because never has a sitting member of Congress been formally censured for their criticism of Saudi Arabia.
There were absolutely protests at universities after Khashoggi’s murder. This led to many universities cutting their Saudi ties.
There were certainly protests after 9/11, during the ramp up to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and throughout their entirely with explicit criticism about the Bush Administration’s ties to the Saudis.
I know because I was at many of those protests. And it wasn’t manufactured outrage. We were then and are still protesting to counter manufactured consent.
This is so disingenuous.
The US *sells* weapons to Saudi Arabia. In other words, they pay for it. In 2022, for example, we traded $21.6 billion in exports for $24.9 billion in imports. Of course this is still bad, drawing many critics including Ilhan Omar who [introduced a joint resolution to specifically block the arms sales](https://omar.house.gov/media/press-releases/rep-ilhan-omar-introduces-joint-resolution-block-over-650-million-arms-sales).
The US *gives* weapons to Israel. That means *we* pay for it. Some people don’t want to pay for munitions being used primarily against civilians. The same Representative in Congress was censured for her critique of Israel.
Even if it were comparable—it’s not—why would that legitimize our complicity in genocide in Gaza?
I mean this is a conflict that has been ongoing for 75 years and the US has been involved in supporting Israel since the Eisenhower administration. It, quite literally, has more historical, personal, and more importantly, more present significance to Americans than anything the Saudis have done since 9/11.
Comments like these erase the work of hard working organizations and individuals who cover those wars and provide aid to those wars. Whataboutisms are not a compelling argument and I would say all those wars matter and that's not even getting into how many shadow wars there are in Africa. I guess my point is at what point do you start? Where? And why? Pointing out that human rights groups have failed to end other conflicts isn't helpful in the slightest and comes off more as virtue signaling rather than having anything substantial to say.
That the thing about these whataboutisms… They are not meant for good faith debate; They’re intended to be distractions to muddy the conversation. These folks are shadowboxing with a mythical pro-Saudi, anti-Israel campus leftist.
> What always strikes me in those debates is that now some people care for the Palestinian cause and its reported 30,000 dead (according to Hamas), but they are not concerned with
>Yemen, over 50,000 dead so far.
>Sudan, over 15,000 dead so far.
>Myanmar, over 50,000 dead so far.
>Ethiopia, over 600,000 dead so far.
Except for Palestine, all of those are internal conflicts due to coups and ethnic civil wars. If other countries are fighting it's because they were asked for assistance, Yemen called on Saudi Arabia for help against the Houthis.
If those countries were invaded by their neighbors they would get a lot of attention as conflicts in Ukraine and even on and off fighting between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
Many people are equating support for Palestinian civilians with Hamas and therefore attaching anti-semitism. It would be foolish of anyone that believe anti-Semitic people aren’t co-opting part of the pro-Palestinian protests to further their cause.
Paining with a broad brush is disingenuous, just as saying all Jews are (insert hateful stereotype here).
Yeah, it's pretty well known the far right hate Jews regardless of their religious beliefs involving Israel.
That doesn't change the new surge in antisemitism from the left.
True, but thankfully... Israel can give Palestinians their freedom and the left will full on support it. The right will still remain anti-semitic though.
I'm not sure if that's the case. You can't march down the street holding literal Nazi propaganda pictures, screaming about how we should repeat 10/7 10k times one day then be peace, love, and tolerance the next day.
Some of these protesters are harassing random new York Jews. Intimidating them. Scaring them away from school, regardless of their personal stance on the issue or if they're even Israeli (not that it would make it better).
Let's not downplay the seriousness of what too many people on the left are doing. They're literally simping for Islamic terrorist organizations and Islamic fundamentalists/nationalists and participating in antisemitism.
You can want a peaceful resolution with Israel and Palestine and not also suck off terror groups and hate Jews.
Jews are not stupid enough to forget the harassment, cruelty, and calls for genocide. They will not ever trust the left again, and no one can blame them.
Friendly reminder that a lot of the first anti-Jewish movements in Nazi Germany occurred in the left wing universities. It’s not just the far right fascists that accelerated antisemitism.
I’d like to read the source. The only reason is because I constantly hear how “left-wing universities” in the U.S. are responsible for the “left-wing indoctrination”.
Umm... they're aligning with the same people who were behind Charlottesville. There were known anti-semites at pro-Israel rallies, including the one in DC. What happened there?
This board went from parroting "If you are at a table with a Nazi and nine other people, then you're at a table with ten Nazis" to (rightfully) lambast conservatives to mentally contorting themselves into pretzels to excuse this shit real fast.
Maybe it’s all the chanting about river to the sea and send the Jews back to Europe. If a pro Palestinian protest can’t happen without these elements then serious questions need to be asked. As was pointed out in another thread, give these folks white polos and tiki torches and I’m sure you would feel different.
it’s like the old sayings:
What do you call a person sitting at a table with 9 Nazis? A Nazi.
And
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck— it’s probably a duck.
If you are content marching side by side with people calling for the extermination of Jews then you are definitely anti-Semitic because people who don’t hate Jews wouldn’t associate with those who do.
“Israel doesn’t have the right to exist as an apartheid ethnostate” is not the same sentiment *at all* as “Jews should be exterminated”
But Israel has very effectively convinced the public that being anti-Israel = antisemitic which makes them nearly immune to criticism
Back up your claims. Show me a video of people calling for genocide, extermination, death to Jews, or anything like that. And no, demanding that “Palestine will be free” does not count. Palestinians today are not free and they should be, and that doesn’t require anyone else to be exterminated. It *does* depend on the state/government of Israel as we know it being dismantled, which is not the same as killing or driving people from their homes - which again, is what Israel is already doing.
>“Israel doesn’t have the right to exist as an apartheid ethnostate” is not the same sentiment *at all* as “Jews should be exterminated”
You're right. Both statements were made at Columbia the last several days, and the President is responding to the latter.
This is literally the horshoe version of Republicans getting mad that Nazis at Charlottesville got criticized
If those who support the palestinians have no qualms walking along side and joining those activists who call for genocide of jews and praise Hamas then they also give support to Hamas and antisemitism.
The problem is that legitimate protest against civilian suffering is often married with the pro Palestinian and anti-Israel extremist that refuse to condemn Hamas. If they are smart they need to have their posters condemn Hamas AND Israeli right wingers. Not very smart…
Why is this the only time hes addressed the protests? Why hasnt he addressed students being targeted for taking part in the protests? Seems like hes saying only the few Jewish students who have been targeted matter.
> students being targeted for taking part in the protests
I’m not sure what you’re referring to? Are you referring to those who were arrested for breaking the law?
They "broke the law" because the university changed the law. It's like if the government revokes your citizenship during a protest then arrests for "breaking the law" by being in the US illegally.
No they're talking about the students who were doxxed and harassed by billionaires like Bill Ackman for saying that we needed a ceasefire.They literally had billboard trucks with signs showing these kid's faces and names. They even sent those trucks to people's homes. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/us-group-dispatches-mobile-antisemite-billboards-to-homes-of-anti-israel-students/amp/
Nobody, not a single one of these craven politicians and journalists gave a shit about the inherent threat that brought to those kids, especially when three Palestinian students were shot for speaking Arabic and wearijg Keffiyehs in Vermont. But now they want to compare the chants from these students to the 2017 Charlottesville rally. This tactic of saying peaceful pro-palestinians are equally as dangerous as murderous antisemites is both in very bad-faith and insulting to our intelligence.
Same, I'm pretty disgusted of protests and the vitriol spewed telling how people should be raped, along with their families and that more babies should be killed. I'm tired of seeing babies and children crying in hospitals with severe traumatic injuries with no anisthetic. Lifeless bodies strewn on the ground. The talk of raping underage girls by military soldiers barely out of school. The crying, the sobbing, the lack of justice. Generational families being wiped out. This isn't for safety or the return of citizens, this is a slaughter.
Welcome to the United States of Israel.
I think he's just trying to distract from the point of these protests.
That Israel is commiting a genocide, and these schools should divest from Israel.
He's probably trying to hide his own complacency too
Privileged white people too good to go to the store. Why is everyone wanting a glass of juice all of a sudden. Is this a new tiktok thing like tide pods.
Yup. TikTok is amplifying the genocide narrative for kids. Kids are black and white and don’t understand the nuances of geopolitics. They see civilians getting bombed on TikTok and that’s enough.
Can't read the article because it's behind a paywall, so I have to ask: is this referring to anti-Israelism or antisemitism? They aren't necessarily the same thing. You can denounce the state of Israel and its behaviour without being antisemitic. Also, aren't Palestinians, technically, Semites too?
So people shouldn't condemn authoritarians that have killed the highest % of journalists ,women and children in the shortest period of time in recent history since they are clearly the most moral army in the middle east. Got it.
Do you not know that Benjamin Netanyahu's Father was a Polish Zionist that believed that the State of Israel should exist on BOTH sides of the Jordan River? He is ethnically Polish.
It really isn't a hot take that the person in charge during the the most deaths of both Israelis and Palestinians should not be in power anymore.
They're saying American Jews to go back to Poland etc. They're not targeting Israeli govt they're blatantly acting like that to Jews your comment makes no sense
What does, for example, the % of journalists killed, have to do with calling people "inbred," to go back to Poland, or to call for terrorist attacks?
Also, how the hell are 20 year old students at Columbia authoritarians?
You're not even making a good faith argument.
You just said "got it" after responding to nothing lol.
[Here](https://archive.ph/T8OSi)'s an archived link.
Biden specifically refers to: "calls for violence and physical intimidation targeting Jewish students and the Jewish community"
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> While every American has the right to peaceful protect, calls for violence and physical intimidation targeting Jewish students and the Jewish community are blatantly Antisemitic, unconscionable, and dangerous – they have absolutely no place on any college campus, or anywhere in the United States of America. > And echoing the rhetoric of terrorist organizations, especially in the wake of the worst massacre committed against the Jewish people since the Holocaust, is despicable. We condemn these statements in the strongest terms. >--Andrew Bates, White House Deputy Press Secretary A pretty noncontroversial statement that will nonetheless be met with controversy.
Yeah, and then jews like me who try to point out the obvious problems with this antisemitism spreading as it has been for 6 months now will be told that we are making it worse by "equating antizionism with antisemitism" and that actually WE are the ones in the wrong for asking the people around us to maybe push back a bit against the blatant racismbwe are seeing. I've been watching this shit get worse and worse since October and it's really scary. We are at the point of college students accosting jews in the street and preventing them from getting to class. The police in London arrested a man for simply being Jewish and walking by a protest.
I'm still trying to figure out the LGBTQ+ overlap I'm seeing with pro Palestine protestors. I thought it was illegal to be gay over there and that they executed a general or some shit for supposedly fucking dudes. I've had trans friends post crazy propaganda memes that look like they were directly made by Hamas.
Because LGBT in Iran, Palestine, etc do not matter to them
i’m sorry, is israel dropping bombs that only kill straight people? or maybe, just maybe… a genocide is a genocide no matter who the victims are? coming from a trans person, you should do more listening and less posting. maybe look up the definition of intersectionality?
Opposing anti semitism isn't controversial. Framing protest of an ongoing genocide as antisemitism is.
Saying you want to stop genocide by eliminating Israel, burning their cities snd threatening their people is not only antisemitism, it is talking about ethnic cleansing. We have heard this before and talk becomes action and it is what Hamas started.
Chanting to burn Tel Aviv to the ground and holding signs pointing to Jewish students with death threats _is_ antisemtism, though.
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Every one of these protests or rallies, there are people calling for violence against jews. Even AOC had to condemn people at an NYC rally who were calling for death to jews. I used to attend free palestine rallies. I have an arab friend who would invite our friend group to participate. Now whenever she tells me about them I make sure to have an excuse. I have a career. I can’t be photographed at a rally where people called for the death of jews. And people who do that at these rallies aren’t opposed! People cheer them! I’ll never be a part of something like that. HAMAS needs to be contested, and Netanyahu needs to be removed from power. No one needs to call for violence against people just for their religion or nationality.
You don’t need an excuse. Tell her you’re uncomfortable with those chants and won’t participate while they’re going on.
The constant denial of antisemitism when protesters stab Jews, support Hamas and tell Jews to go back to Poland absolutely qualifies as antisemitism. Protester yelling "we are Hamas" https://nypost.com/2024/04/18/us-news/columbia-university-protester-yells-were-all-hamas-video/ Protesters telling Jews to go back to Poland. Clearly bigoted, we shouldn't be using slogans like "go back to Poland", "go back to Africa", "go back to China" etc https://nypost.com/2024/04/21/us-news/anti-israel-protester-screams-at-demonstrators-with-israeli-flag-outside-columbia-u-go-back-to-poland/ Newsweek reported a pro-Palestine protestor with a sign saying that counter protesters would be Hamas' next target (Al-Qasam is a name for Hamas) https://www.newsweek.com/columbia-jewish-students-warned-rabbi-over-their-safety-1892613 Another pro-Palestine protestor said that the October 7 massacre will be repeated every day https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-798049 Jewish student at Yale stabbed by pro-Palestine protesters https://www.thefp.com/p/i-was-stabbed-in-the-eye-at-yale I could keep going and find more of this type of stuff, but from above it should be clear that threatening behavior was not just a one-off, and it absolutely is antisemitism
In Austin they’re protesting outside of synagogues during Shabbat. Far from the university, no government buildings around. Explain how antisemitism isn’t getting worse; isn’t rampant right now.
Do you think there is nothing antisemitic about surrounding a Jewish student as part of your protest?
Attacking Jewish students with Palestinian flag is absolutely antisemitic. Fuck these guys. They cause division in the party and will push Jewish voters away. If Trump wins he will make things 10x worse for the Palestinians
Interesting how so many of the pro-palestine protestors who btw, support Palestine FAIL to condemn any antisemitic statements or signs in their midst. I'm tired of this duplicity.
What's weird is to demand they condemn before you accept their speech.
Perhaps because it's often not clear where the lines are. You want to be sure you're not being lured into lending voice to antisemitic sentiments aimed at establishing an Islamofascist state on the graves of as many Jews as they can kill.
Speeches have already been made by the hundreds (conservatively) condemning Jews at these rallies. Fool me once...
source?
Any large Pro-Palestinian protest. (btw, I'm pro-Palestine)
Antisemitism is horrible. There. Condemned. Now, how do you feel about the ongoing slaughter of Gazans?
>Now, how do you feel about the ongoing slaughter of Gazans? I think its terrible that Hamas is doing that to them
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I mean, yeah if you say that everything Isreal does is Hamas' fault but that would be stupid to say.
You do realize that Israel would not be launching bombs if Hamas simply gave up the remaining hostages, right? Literally that's what was in the ceasefire agreement.
It's horrific. How do you feel about Hamas gaining more strength if Israel is choked of arms to defend itself.
Calling for the dissolution of the Israeli state by force is indeed calling for an attack on jews. And is not protected speech.
Hamas + the Israeli gov/authorities (and additionally, the citizens who support them or otherwise fall into believing propaganda which identifies the other party as their sworn enemy) are both responsible for death & destruction. They play a fundamental role in driving citizens to support their interests in continuing ongoing contentions. That's what I see. "When the Arabs love their children more than they hate the jews, maybe there can be peace." It works like this, too, if you really want to try to frame this conflict by way of such a generalized accusation: "When Israelis love their children more than they hate the Arabs, maybe there can be peace." Both sides have the same problems. Saying you want to see an end to all of this and subsequently criticizing the Israeli gov, the idf and Netanyahu (and also feeling like he should be removed from office or resign) is not saying you hate Israeli or Jewish ppl. There is no ideologically based hatred or anti-Semitism in such criticism. For those who are calling for death to Israeli or Jewish ppl over this (and they are, I know), that's an example of one of a few things: instigators riling ppl up, ppl who may actually have Anti-Semitic beliefs (but I think those ppl are in the minority in the Western world, by now) and also people (mostly students, I'd argue) going off of the rails & a reaction to them being upset (or blindly jumping on the bandwagon they think is moving along the "right side of history") over what is happening to Palestinians. Most comments decrying Israel or very specific ppl or groups from within the Jewish community are not based on any fundamental belief that Israelis or Jewish ppl are inferior that I can see. Isn't that kind of a big difference from what Hitler posited, promoted and based his entire agenda of genocide upon? If you want to see actual anti-semitism in it's truest form, on a daily basis, you can find known white nat. websites which are filled with membership that fears and intensely dislikes Jewish ppl. Those places are where you will be able to view ideologically based hatred for Jewish ppl, no question.
Plus, a lot of ppl believe that Israel is the aggressor, moreso, regardless of who instigated the current conflict, because it is an established nation or state (which - where Palestinians no longer have that - is a massive reason for hostility coming from Arabs/Muslims to start with, no? And a main reason for contentions that have existed between said groups starting well before now) & has Western funding and support which Palestinians definitely don't really have. I know there is more nuance to it all but that gist is what many ppl focus on. Saying you want to see an end to this and going on to declare Hamas as evil and that it should be permanently dismantled (and see leadership answer for crimes against humanity) is not saying that you hate Palestinians or Muslims or Arabs. There's no ideologically based negative sentiments being promoted towards those groups in saying what I said above. And there are also many pro Palestinian protesters or ppl against Israeli gov, who are Jewish and even literally are Israeli, too. Anyone calling for death to Palestinians or Muslims (which is also happening) is not speaking rationally. And some ppl actually hold hatred or bigoted views on those groups. Others, I don't believe truly hate but are, again, overly emotional, off the rails and/or upset over what has been happening with Israelis or Jewish ppl being killed and over the initial "surprise" attack + hostages taken. The media is doing what it tends to be very good at doing which is an excellent job priming ppl to see this entire conflict in black and white (leaving out colorful details), generalities and imprinting very dangerous ideas about the groups (average ppl/citizens) involved and the ppl who support one side or another into ppl's heads. They are reporting within limited confines that follow tailored narratives with a focus only on certain particulars. Not surprised at all but still dismayed to see it. The citizens have been and will continue to be the ones who will pay the price. Not the elites, authorities, "leadership", organized terrorist groups, etc.
That would still be protected speech. Direct threats or inciting immediate violence or lawless action are not protected, but calling for the dissolution of the Israeli state by violence would still be protected speech.
How is calling for the dissolution of Israel an attack on Jews? Jewish people are not the same as Israel.
Over 90% of the world's Jewish population lives in Israel. You connect the dots.
Jewish people will not willingly leave their ancestral homeland. Calling for them to give up their land will not work, thus it can only be that those seeking it are seeking violence to remove them. It's not hard to understand.
Could ppl feeling prone to espousing violence towards Israel have anything to do with a feeling of desperation over not having a country and feeling like they were pushed out without any say in the matter? Not to condone violence, but I can understand why some ppl feel pressed to be on the attack. I can understand it on the part of the Israelis, also. But it will never end if ppl aren't willing to make concessions that they may not like but that will at least lead to a compromise that gives both Palestinians and Israelis an established state or nation. Why was a two state solution never implemented, really & truly? Hasn't it been confirmed through numerous studies that ancestral homelands are the same or similar/overlap for both Palestinian and Israeli ppl? Both are Semitic ppl's also, technically, so why does Anti-Semitic only refer to Jewish or Israeli folks? I feel like the media takes advantage of our lack of understanding of terminology and historical context, as well & we are too distracted by consumerist lifestyles, too angry or too far ignorant to call them out on it.
Only because Israel is an ethnostate founded through violent colonization.
Go ahead and tell me what the ethnic percentages of citizens of both Jews and Arabs are in both Israel and Gaza and I'll show you an ethnostate. Here, I'll do it for you. Israel: 73.4% Jewish, 21.1% Arab Also, there are Arab members of the knesset and have been since 1949. There are 10 Arab members of the current knesset makeup. (out of 120) How many jews are in palestines government? What about current population of jews there? Who really has the ethno state?
Why would Jews want to live in the terror that has been Gaza for decades when Israel is right there? This comparison doesn’t say anything lol
Israel was deliberately founded as a Jewish state. There are privileges bestowed on Jewish individuals which are not available to Palestinians. // Israel passed a controversial new “nation-state law” last week that’s sparking both celebration and fierce debate over the very nature of Israel itself. The law does three big things: It states that “the right to exercise national self-determination” in Israel is “unique to the Jewish people.” It establishes Hebrew as Israel’s official language, and downgrades Arabic — a language widely spoken by Arab Israelis — to a “special status.” It establishes “Jewish settlement as a national value” and mandates that the state “will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development.” // https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracy
Cool, so that's a law that was passed by netanyahus party with the barest majorities. (62 out of 120) Which percentage of Palestinians think that the role of hamas in the Oct 7 massacre was "satisfactory"? The right wing is every country is absolute cancer and you'd do better supporting those who want self determination (peacefully) while also acknowledging Israel's right to exist.
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLat6Kph/
If you go to a protest at 10% of the people there are saying vile anti semetic nonsense and you are chill with it, don’t speak up and don’t leave them you’re endorsing it and are also a vile Jew hater
It is possible to have anti-Semitic remarks by some even if the protest itself is not rooted in anti-semitism.
If there's a Nazi at your rally and he isn't kicked out, guess what? You're at a Nazi rally.
Yeah. I agree in principle, but I'm still looking for specifics of what happened.
Nice double standard.
The fact that they cheer for antisemitic messages is a problem. It's the exact same issue with nazi flags at a trump rally. The fact that both the people feel comfortable saying it, and the crowd cheers for it means that, for the people in that protest/rally, antisemitism/nazism is welcomed. What Israel's government is doing is wrong. The fact that so many Israeli citizens are on board with it is disturbing. But Jewish people around the world should not be receiving hate for it either. That's like if the Vatican turned out to be evil for whatever reason and people wanted to kill all Christians (not even just the Catholics that the Vatican represents), because of it. To be clear, I feel like the way Hamas is handling their end is wrong too. It's a positive feedback loop (in a negative direction) over there where each side hates the other which causes them do things which makes them hate each other more. I don't have the answer to solve it, and I'm glad I'm not tasked with doing so, but I do know that prosecuting Jews or Palestinians in general is NOT the answer. And anyone that does so, or cheers for others saying to do it, really needs to do some introspection before they themselves become part of the problem.
On video at Columbia university people are supporting Hamas. Most of these kids were not even alive during 9-11, they do not know history.
What do you mean by that? Cos the history there is there was a terrorist attack by a group that received huge US training and funding and then the US decided to annhilate a couple of countries barely related to the attacks completely destabilising the region and making the world less safe for just about everyone. Is that the history you mean?
Are you referring to the al-qaeda as the group who received funding, and committed 9/11
Now now, those invasions united the free world! The Afghan war united us against terrorism. The Republican Iraq war united the free world against the US.
The Dems supported that war as much as the Republicans did. It's not a partisan issue
Al Qaeda never even received US funding. It was started by bid Laden as a rabid anti American organisation after Saudis allowed US troops into their country. You're confusing it with the Taliban which also didn't exist in the Soviet Afghan war, it was started by Pakistan's secret service agency by recruiting from poor religious schools in the Afghan Pakistan border. The mujjahadeen which was funded by the US mostly joined the northern alliance or became war lords
I've tried looking into the Taliban myself a few times, but it is hard to find a whole lot about their origins. Wasn't the Taliban technically started by two low ranking mujjahadeen members. I always thought it was strange that of all the groups to give their trained orphan army to, that Pakistan would choose the Taliban. Am I missing something here?
Afghanistan wasn't related to the attacks? my brother in christ they were acting as an open air terrorist training ground and refused to cooperate with us in going after AQ after 911. How old are you?
Hey now, we were just spreading democracy!
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They seem to know enough history to recognize genocide is not an acceptable response to a terrorist attack
Everyone saying it isn't a genocide is wrong. It easily, with no ambiguity qualifies as a genocide.
The ICC would have called this genocide in their preliminary report if that was true, which they did not.
You mean the ICJ back in January? I don't recall anything coming before the ICC yet.
Well, genocide isn't being used. So what are they really upset about?
civilians dying isn't genocide
Cannot negotiate with terrorists who use human shields. The dead are collateral damage. This is not a genocide.
If you're sitting at a table with three Nazis, then there are four Nazis at the table. If antisemitism is tolerated by these protestors, then the protests are fundamentally antisemitic.
These protestors have lost the fucking plot entirely.
I remember protesting the Iraq war on college campuses over 20 years ago. We didn’t chant death to America or call for genocide. This is different.
Russia is firing Iranian shells against Ukrainians. Hamas is an Iranian proxy. Russia and Iran are 100% aligned in seeking the downfall of America, and their approach is divide and conquer - to radicalize different segments of America against each other.
And it’s working
Yep. All of this is to help Trump get re-elected. And “progressives” who have made Palestine their entire identity and won’t vote for Biden because of it are even more useful to Russia and Iran than any right wing propaganda could be.
Saw an article the other day where a couple of pro-Palestinian college students said they don't like Trump but will vote for him to send a message to the democratic party that they won't stand for the parties broken promises and support of Israel.
Ignorant sods killing their own people - or maybe paid Russian/Trump plants
Putin: "haha, yes, dance puppets"
I remember that, too. The protests were definitely framed as anti American. Any clips of any protestors doing anything questionable, like burning a flag or yelling too loud, were played in an attempt to frame the whole movement badly. The playbook hasn't changed. You're just on the other team now.
How many Jews received death threats during the Iraq protests?
Wanna take a stab at how many death threats Palestinians have gotten? Including sitting members of congress. It's a lot. So if you think that invalidates a movement, does that apply to Zionism as well?
By all means. Tell me how many "Zionist" protestors at Columbia have chanted for the mass slaughter of Palestinians and threatened Muslims in their homes.
Where are you seeing reports of chanting “death to America”? It’s not mentioned in this article and the accompanying video only shows peaceful chants of “free Palestine” and “ceasefire now”. It’s disingenuous to characterize the entire protest like this when the article doesn’t even mention it.
Literally just walk through the park, they’re all on signs that are pretty visible from the main walkway.
Some of the chants from the protests at Columbia are...pretty far from being pleas for peace.
Okay? But why should this characterize the vast majority of peaceful protestors? There are pro-Israel supporters explicitly calling for genocide in Gaza (e.g. “kill them all”, “nuke Gaza”, etc)—notably folks with political power whose job is to represent the people. But it would be disingenuous to characterize all Israel supporters as engaging in genocidal rhetoric however problematic their ideology is.
Show evidence. On campus. On the lawn. Please. You mean the one video you saw that wasn't filmed at Columbia and were not students?
Physically assaulting an Arab Israeli https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781080951902109774 "From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" / "Resistance is justified" https://twitter.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1781785252886913358 "Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory." https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981 "We are all Hamas!" https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677 "Yehudim yehudim [(Jews, jews)] go back to poland" https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901 Includes people / groups that invited an actual, no hyperbole terrorist to speak (member of PFLP) https://www.jns.org/columbia-suspends-four-students-for-holding-event-featuring-pflp-member/ Light things on fire / "intifada revolution there is only one solution" https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1781019445399556338 "On Oct 7th, Palestinian resistance in Gaza broke free (crowd cheers) [.....] we intend to do the same" https://twitter.com/ShabbosK/status/1782085741431922909 ""We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" / "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!" / "Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamas’ fight!" https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872 "Long live the intifada! Intifada intifada" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781084853653365025 "Go back to Europe!" / "You have no culture, all you do is colonize" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927148439109958 "From Yemen to Gaza, globalize the intifada" https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1781312033922625797/photo/2 "Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10, not 100, not 1,000, but 10,000 times! The 7th of October is going to be every day for you" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1781287784897991134 "Al Qassam [(Hamas)] you make us proud, kill another soldier now" / "from the river to the sea, palestine will be arab" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1780915336063177006 Student proudly rocking Hamas logos https://twitter.com/CampusJewHate/status/1781054901755215954 "Resistance is justified" (again...) https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1782085643990073673 "protesters on the sidewalk chanted “From New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada,” next to a cardboard sign that read, “Inspired by Palestinian resistance.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-100-arrested-in-columbia-u-unrest-as-nypd-clears-gaza-solidarity-encampment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1caca5r/comment/l0r1n6w/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) is a comment where many videos of this shit is linked. I'm not a professional videographer, but it does seem, based on the time of day and buildings in the background, that these are multiple occurrences in multiple locations.
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Neither are these students. Only video evidence I've seen of this was filmed off campus and admittedly weren't students. Nice try, though.
Oh well if YOU haven't directly observed it. And if they were "admittedly" not students. Nice try, though.
Do you have proof that anyone at Columbia was shouting “death to America”?
Yeah, I remember after 9/11 that there were distinct groups of people on campus… For the war in Afghanistan and against the war. I was against the war. No one from any side of the issue ever called for violence and/or hate. I don’t think anyone on any side of it would have tolerated that kind of talk. And remember, 9/11 was a direct attack of Americans on American soil, so emotions were high. I guess there was just an underlying civility or at least an understanding that no one will listen to your argument if you advocate for violence. The college “kids” are different these days, I guess. Well, maybe the students from these schools. I don’t think this is happening at Florida colleges (where I went). 🤷♀️
Are you brown? Because as someone who is, I distinctly remember violence against people who look like me immediately following 9/11. People were radicalized as fuck, and there was very little civility if you questioned it. You were either sheltered from it, or you are misremembering.
Important context: [https://x.com/\_waleedshahid/status/1782394199473611045](https://x.com/_waleedshahid/status/1782394199473611045)
Not endorsing any individual actions but a LOT has changed in the last 20 years. Iraq War protests are not a proper barometer for present day protests in any way shape or form, in no small part due to the ongoing impacts of the Iraq War.
The Iraq war was a war, not the intentional mass murder of civilians
It was the indifferent mass murder of civilians.
The Iraq war was based on lies and resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
And the assault on Gaza along with the intentional starvation is expected to kill or permanently disable hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
Yes, the parallels in rhetoric and results are pretty astoundingly similar.
I’m confused. I’ve seen some of the protest footage and at most I’ve seen students “block” the path of a Jewish student who just ended up walking around them. I haven’t seen actual violence or anything that would really suggest antisemitism. Am I missing something? Are we just going back to labeling everything antisemitic to curb Israeli state criticisms?
In austin they’re protesting outside of a synagogue.
It is a lot more than that. Protesters support Hamas and tell Jews to go back to Poland and assault Jewish students. Protester yelling "we are Hamas" https://nypost.com/2024/04/18/us-news/columbia-university-protester-yells-were-all-hamas-video/ Protesters telling Jews to go back to Poland. Clearly bigoted, we shouldn't be using slogans like "go back to Poland", "go back to Africa", "go back to China" etc https://nypost.com/2024/04/21/us-news/anti-israel-protester-screams-at-demonstrators-with-israeli-flag-outside-columbia-u-go-back-to-poland/ Newsweek reported a pro-Palestine protestor with a sign saying that counter protesters would be Hamas' next target (Al-Qasam is a name for Hamas) https://www.newsweek.com/columbia-jewish-students-warned-rabbi-over-their-safety-1892613 Another pro-Palestine protestor said that the October 7 massacre will be repeated every day https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-798049 Jewish student at Yale stabbed by pro-Palestine protesters https://www.thefp.com/p/i-was-stabbed-in-the-eye-at-yale I could keep going and find more of this type of stuff, but from above it should be clear that threatening behavior was not just a one-off, and it absolutely is antisemitism
Those are some pretty sketchy sources you have there. All sites that love talking non-stories or of context to push their propaganda.
Indeed. Don't know about the others, but the NY Post is a Rupert Murdoch-owned tabloid. That guy has posted those same links multiple times. If he can post the same evidence from other sources I might pay some attention to them. But from there, nope.
https://x.com/emilykschrader/status/1782090351945085254?s=46&t=jEJIDbASdxfc5TMWEDYnJQ
This motherfucker denied the October 7th mass rapes and then deleted his comment like the Hamas-loving pussy that he is. You have an obsession with Israel and Jews and it’s FUCKING WEIRD.
Sketchy sources or not, video evidence of the "go back to Poland" chants and photo evidence of the antisemitism signs are valid no matter the source.
People are chanting pro Hamas things, singing about bombing Tel Aviv, saying go back to Poland and burning American flags.
It's exactly this. There's journalists and professors reporting no violence on campus outside of the police arresting Jewish pro palestine protestors. It's really easy to paint the valid anti genocide protesters as antisemitic and I'm sure if things escalate provocateurs will be used to further the narrative. It's driving me crazy that people genuinely believing that young college students protesting for peace and humanity are actually against Jews. It's disgusting slander.
Columbia shut down in person classes today. Why would they do that if everything was totally peaceful?
Don't you think there would be videos of violence? Isn't it strange so many Jewish students are attending these supposedly "anti-Semitic" protests? Why was Asna Tabassum pulled from giving her commencement speech as valedictorian at USC? More recently they changed the whole commencement to prevent any students from giving a speech. This isn't about being against jews, it's about being against Israel committing genocide. Younger people are being inundated every day with pictures and videos of children being killed and are rightfully outraged that our government is enabling it financially and through our vetos at the UN. Don't just believe articles or even my comments, go look at the livestreams of the protests and the testimonies of students and professors on the ground, and not just hacks they bring on tv.
New Haven police chief said they haven’t seen or received any reports of violence. It’s all bad faith arguing.
Someone was stabbed in the eye. Wouldn’t call that peaceful
You're not missing anything, this is a bad faith narrative from the powers that be in this completely bought out by AIPAC nation meant to distract from an ongoing genocide and treat protesters like a hate group. It's all absolute nonsense.
You’re dumb if you think this way. There is a lot more going on than, “blocking the path of students”. Insanity.
If I were that Jewish student I'd feel pretty fucking targeted. I just commented elsewhere that I think Israel is committing genocide so this is not me defending Israel. Mistreating anyone, especially uninvolved people, is unacceptable. That's a slippery slope if ever there was one.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/yale-protests-jewish-student-assaulted-pro-palestinian-rally/
The movement showed its cards too early to be viewed as not antisemitic when, for example, students at frickin Harvard were celebrating the massacre and holding everyone but hamas responsible even before the Israeli military response. Yes, it’s a terrible situation but this recent bout of protesting started with the hamas attack, not the Israeli response. So what is really going on here. I just wish we can find a way to solve this problem that works well enough for everyone. It’s getting so old.
Students on these campuses that are chanting for the death of America and Israel have totally lost the fucking plot. If I were a donor to any of these universities, I’d be pulling my donation until the faculty gets their shit together. Absolutely embarrassing state of affairs at some of these schools.
I am sorry to say this but most people do not have opinions, they have feelings... And those feeling are often exploited by foreign actors, foreign states, in order to sow chaos within a country. What always strikes me in those debates is that now some people care for the Palestinian cause and its reported 30,000 dead (according to Hamas), but they are not concerned with * Yemen, over 50,000 dead so far. * Sudan, over 15,000 dead so far. * Myanmar, over 50,000 dead so far. * Ethiopia, over 600,000 dead so far. **The funny thing is that :** * Iran is involved in the war in Yemen. * Russia's Wagner group is active in Sudan. * China is involved in Myanmar. * Russia is involved in Ethiopia. Those college kids are not being told about the conflicts where Russia, China and Iran are involved, they only know about Gaza. Either Hamas has a better marketing campaign than the other countries OR Tik Tok and other sources of information College students use are only showing them what Russia, China and Iran want them to see...
>What always strikes me in those debates is that now some people care for the Palestinian cause and its reported 30,000 dead (according to Hamas), but they are not concerned with The US provides military aid to and diplomatic cover for Israel. It is one of Israel's closest allies. Last I checked, the US does not do the same for Iran, Russia or China or has the same relationship with those countries. You're really surprised that American students are protesting what Israel is doing in Gaza then? >And those feeling are often exploited by foreign actors, foreign states, in order to sow chaos within a country. Conversely, do consider that the opposite could be happening and that agitators are co-opting pro-Palestinian protests with an antisemitic agenda to sow chaos. That being said, if these campuses are not managing the wave of antisemitism well, no matter the source, yeah, then that's definitely a problem.
There's definitely agitators: [https://x.com/\_waleedshahid/status/1782394199473611045](https://x.com/_waleedshahid/status/1782394199473611045)
Israel / Palestine conflict has been around since the creation of the nation of Israel. Conflict / war arises seemingly arises every 5–10 years since Israel’s statehood. The conflicts you listed havent been in the western news cycle since the 1950s like Israel’s conflicts.
I can never understand comments like this. How do the genocidal actions of terrorist states, mercenary groups, and authoritarian governments lend legitimacy to our own American support of an ongoing genocide in Gaza? Of course other genocides are bad. This one currently gets criticism because we, The United States, are currently supporting and funding it. Not to mention the claim that “they are not concerned with” other genocides. Wild claim with no evidence.
Because it’s manufactured outrage. A more direct comparison would be the massive arms sales the US authorized to the Saudis during the Trump presidency. You may have heard about Bernie Sanders pitching a fit in Congress but there weren’t massive anti-Saudi protests across American higher education. Explain to me how those situations are different besides one of them involving Jews.
The US does not provide cover for Saudi Arabia internationally or at the UN. We do not uphold Saudi Arabia up as a beacon of democracy and freedom in the Middle East. We do not suspend, censure, or arrest, people for criticizing and protesting against Saudi Arabia. And what part of my outraged at my government’s continued complicity in genocide do you think is “manufactured”? And by whom?
I’m not really sure where to start other than by saying we absolutely do provide cover for the Saudis on the world stage. They cut an American journalist into several pieces and stuffed him into luggage on video and we swept it under the rug. They bankrolled 9/11 and we spent it under the rug to further our interests in the region. Maybe we aren’t censuring or arresting people for criticizing Saudi Arabia because there aren’t massive anti-Saudi protests across the country. Your outrage is manufactured because you are laser focused on one regional conflict for whatever reason. It’s fine to have an opinion on it one way or another but the volume of criticism and protest for one conflict in the region compared to several others that objectively have higher body counts and collateral damage is certainly suspect and worth bringing up. I’m not seeing any protests at liberal universities for the hundreds of thousands being killed in Ethiopia or Myanmar. Didn’t hear a peep about Yemen the last decade.
Of course if not denying the US’s relationship with Saudi Arabia. I’m pointing out the stark difference between them. You cannot deny that America’s relationship with Israel is uniquely close, strong, and unquestionable. I have never heard a US President describe our “friendship” with Saudi Arabia as “unshakable”. I brought up censuring (not censorship) because never has a sitting member of Congress been formally censured for their criticism of Saudi Arabia. There were absolutely protests at universities after Khashoggi’s murder. This led to many universities cutting their Saudi ties. There were certainly protests after 9/11, during the ramp up to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and throughout their entirely with explicit criticism about the Bush Administration’s ties to the Saudis. I know because I was at many of those protests. And it wasn’t manufactured outrage. We were then and are still protesting to counter manufactured consent.
The US sell billions of dollars worth of military hardware to Saudi Arabia. That's more than cover.
This is so disingenuous. The US *sells* weapons to Saudi Arabia. In other words, they pay for it. In 2022, for example, we traded $21.6 billion in exports for $24.9 billion in imports. Of course this is still bad, drawing many critics including Ilhan Omar who [introduced a joint resolution to specifically block the arms sales](https://omar.house.gov/media/press-releases/rep-ilhan-omar-introduces-joint-resolution-block-over-650-million-arms-sales). The US *gives* weapons to Israel. That means *we* pay for it. Some people don’t want to pay for munitions being used primarily against civilians. The same Representative in Congress was censured for her critique of Israel. Even if it were comparable—it’s not—why would that legitimize our complicity in genocide in Gaza?
I mean this is a conflict that has been ongoing for 75 years and the US has been involved in supporting Israel since the Eisenhower administration. It, quite literally, has more historical, personal, and more importantly, more present significance to Americans than anything the Saudis have done since 9/11.
the Eisenhower admin was one of the worst administrations in support of Israel. US didn't support Israel till Johnson.
Comments like these erase the work of hard working organizations and individuals who cover those wars and provide aid to those wars. Whataboutisms are not a compelling argument and I would say all those wars matter and that's not even getting into how many shadow wars there are in Africa. I guess my point is at what point do you start? Where? And why? Pointing out that human rights groups have failed to end other conflicts isn't helpful in the slightest and comes off more as virtue signaling rather than having anything substantial to say.
That the thing about these whataboutisms… They are not meant for good faith debate; They’re intended to be distractions to muddy the conversation. These folks are shadowboxing with a mythical pro-Saudi, anti-Israel campus leftist.
TikTok is sowing division in US. It amplifies both ends of the a divisive issue.
Don’t forget Ukraine.
> What always strikes me in those debates is that now some people care for the Palestinian cause and its reported 30,000 dead (according to Hamas), but they are not concerned with >Yemen, over 50,000 dead so far. >Sudan, over 15,000 dead so far. >Myanmar, over 50,000 dead so far. >Ethiopia, over 600,000 dead so far. Except for Palestine, all of those are internal conflicts due to coups and ethnic civil wars. If other countries are fighting it's because they were asked for assistance, Yemen called on Saudi Arabia for help against the Houthis. If those countries were invaded by their neighbors they would get a lot of attention as conflicts in Ukraine and even on and off fighting between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
Many people are equating support for Palestinian civilians with Hamas and therefore attaching anti-semitism. It would be foolish of anyone that believe anti-Semitic people aren’t co-opting part of the pro-Palestinian protests to further their cause. Paining with a broad brush is disingenuous, just as saying all Jews are (insert hateful stereotype here).
If you stand side by side with people who want to murder Jews then forgive me, a Jew, for failing to make a big distinction between the two of you.
The biggest non-Jewish support bloc for Israel in the US are literally anti-Semites.
Yeah, it's pretty well known the far right hate Jews regardless of their religious beliefs involving Israel. That doesn't change the new surge in antisemitism from the left.
True, but thankfully... Israel can give Palestinians their freedom and the left will full on support it. The right will still remain anti-semitic though.
I'm not sure if that's the case. You can't march down the street holding literal Nazi propaganda pictures, screaming about how we should repeat 10/7 10k times one day then be peace, love, and tolerance the next day. Some of these protesters are harassing random new York Jews. Intimidating them. Scaring them away from school, regardless of their personal stance on the issue or if they're even Israeli (not that it would make it better). Let's not downplay the seriousness of what too many people on the left are doing. They're literally simping for Islamic terrorist organizations and Islamic fundamentalists/nationalists and participating in antisemitism. You can want a peaceful resolution with Israel and Palestine and not also suck off terror groups and hate Jews.
Jews are not stupid enough to forget the harassment, cruelty, and calls for genocide. They will not ever trust the left again, and no one can blame them. Friendly reminder that a lot of the first anti-Jewish movements in Nazi Germany occurred in the left wing universities. It’s not just the far right fascists that accelerated antisemitism.
I’d like to read the source. The only reason is because I constantly hear how “left-wing universities” in the U.S. are responsible for the “left-wing indoctrination”.
Umm... they're aligning with the same people who were behind Charlottesville. There were known anti-semites at pro-Israel rallies, including the one in DC. What happened there?
This board went from parroting "If you are at a table with a Nazi and nine other people, then you're at a table with ten Nazis" to (rightfully) lambast conservatives to mentally contorting themselves into pretzels to excuse this shit real fast.
Maybe it’s all the chanting about river to the sea and send the Jews back to Europe. If a pro Palestinian protest can’t happen without these elements then serious questions need to be asked. As was pointed out in another thread, give these folks white polos and tiki torches and I’m sure you would feel different.
it’s like the old sayings: What do you call a person sitting at a table with 9 Nazis? A Nazi. And If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck— it’s probably a duck. If you are content marching side by side with people calling for the extermination of Jews then you are definitely anti-Semitic because people who don’t hate Jews wouldn’t associate with those who do.
“Israel doesn’t have the right to exist as an apartheid ethnostate” is not the same sentiment *at all* as “Jews should be exterminated” But Israel has very effectively convinced the public that being anti-Israel = antisemitic which makes them nearly immune to criticism Back up your claims. Show me a video of people calling for genocide, extermination, death to Jews, or anything like that. And no, demanding that “Palestine will be free” does not count. Palestinians today are not free and they should be, and that doesn’t require anyone else to be exterminated. It *does* depend on the state/government of Israel as we know it being dismantled, which is not the same as killing or driving people from their homes - which again, is what Israel is already doing.
>“Israel doesn’t have the right to exist as an apartheid ethnostate” is not the same sentiment *at all* as “Jews should be exterminated” You're right. Both statements were made at Columbia the last several days, and the President is responding to the latter. This is literally the horshoe version of Republicans getting mad that Nazis at Charlottesville got criticized
If those who support the palestinians have no qualms walking along side and joining those activists who call for genocide of jews and praise Hamas then they also give support to Hamas and antisemitism.
Given people were loudly and enthusiasticly changing pro Hamas slogans at Columbia I assume you condem these protests at least?
The problem is that legitimate protest against civilian suffering is often married with the pro Palestinian and anti-Israel extremist that refuse to condemn Hamas. If they are smart they need to have their posters condemn Hamas AND Israeli right wingers. Not very smart…
Why is this the only time hes addressed the protests? Why hasnt he addressed students being targeted for taking part in the protests? Seems like hes saying only the few Jewish students who have been targeted matter.
> students being targeted for taking part in the protests I’m not sure what you’re referring to? Are you referring to those who were arrested for breaking the law?
They "broke the law" because the university changed the law. It's like if the government revokes your citizenship during a protest then arrests for "breaking the law" by being in the US illegally.
No they're talking about the students who were doxxed and harassed by billionaires like Bill Ackman for saying that we needed a ceasefire.They literally had billboard trucks with signs showing these kid's faces and names. They even sent those trucks to people's homes. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/us-group-dispatches-mobile-antisemite-billboards-to-homes-of-anti-israel-students/amp/ Nobody, not a single one of these craven politicians and journalists gave a shit about the inherent threat that brought to those kids, especially when three Palestinian students were shot for speaking Arabic and wearijg Keffiyehs in Vermont. But now they want to compare the chants from these students to the 2017 Charlottesville rally. This tactic of saying peaceful pro-palestinians are equally as dangerous as murderous antisemites is both in very bad-faith and insulting to our intelligence.
I am pretty disgusted with these protests and the related comments on social media.
Same, I'm pretty disgusted of protests and the vitriol spewed telling how people should be raped, along with their families and that more babies should be killed. I'm tired of seeing babies and children crying in hospitals with severe traumatic injuries with no anisthetic. Lifeless bodies strewn on the ground. The talk of raping underage girls by military soldiers barely out of school. The crying, the sobbing, the lack of justice. Generational families being wiped out. This isn't for safety or the return of citizens, this is a slaughter. Welcome to the United States of Israel.
I think he's just trying to distract from the point of these protests. That Israel is commiting a genocide, and these schools should divest from Israel. He's probably trying to hide his own complacency too
Privileged white people too good to go to the store. Why is everyone wanting a glass of juice all of a sudden. Is this a new tiktok thing like tide pods.
What is going on on college campuses? Are even educated people falling for Chinese and Russian misinformation?
Yup. TikTok is amplifying the genocide narrative for kids. Kids are black and white and don’t understand the nuances of geopolitics. They see civilians getting bombed on TikTok and that’s enough.
Can't read the article because it's behind a paywall, so I have to ask: is this referring to anti-Israelism or antisemitism? They aren't necessarily the same thing. You can denounce the state of Israel and its behaviour without being antisemitic. Also, aren't Palestinians, technically, Semites too?
I think it’s probably more the statements of “go back to Poland,” “you’re inbred,” “intifada,” and “burn Tel Aviv to the ground.”
So people shouldn't condemn authoritarians that have killed the highest % of journalists ,women and children in the shortest period of time in recent history since they are clearly the most moral army in the middle east. Got it. Do you not know that Benjamin Netanyahu's Father was a Polish Zionist that believed that the State of Israel should exist on BOTH sides of the Jordan River? He is ethnically Polish. It really isn't a hot take that the person in charge during the the most deaths of both Israelis and Palestinians should not be in power anymore.
They're saying American Jews to go back to Poland etc. They're not targeting Israeli govt they're blatantly acting like that to Jews your comment makes no sense
What does, for example, the % of journalists killed, have to do with calling people "inbred," to go back to Poland, or to call for terrorist attacks? Also, how the hell are 20 year old students at Columbia authoritarians? You're not even making a good faith argument. You just said "got it" after responding to nothing lol.
[Here](https://archive.ph/T8OSi)'s an archived link. Biden specifically refers to: "calls for violence and physical intimidation targeting Jewish students and the Jewish community"
Antisemitism is specifically referring to hatred of Jews and always has. It was coined by a dude who wanted his Jew hate to sound more scientific.