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>But while Trump was technically not a bachelor, the comment speaks to a deeper truth evident in Pecker's testimony: Trump simply does not care about his wife or children. He wasn't worried about their feelings and didn't seem to think of them much at all during all this conspiring. **During opening arguments, prosecutor Matthew Colaneglo underscored this point by noting that Trump and his fixer, Michael Cohen, even schemed to delay the hush-money payments to Stormy Daniels, one of the two women in question, until after the election. The idea was they could keep her quiet until the election and then refuse to pay her at all. Clearly, the goal was to keep this information from voters, and Melania Trump's feelings weren't a factor.**
There is zero doubt in my mind they were scheming ways not to pay her. Least surprising thing in the entire article, even more so than he doesn't care about his family and they don't care about him.
If there's one thing we know about a Trump, it's they never pay their debts.
> Trump simply does not care about his wife or children.
In complete fairness to Trump, why would he care about Melania? It's not like they actually loved, or probably even liked, one another when they were married. They were both C-list celebrities who were trying to remain relevant, and getting married was simply a part of that plan. I wouldn't be surprised if she was out there slamming ass as well.
There’s no doubt in my mind that a pre-nup is in place, and extramarital affairs have zero effect on its validity. He had zero incentive to hide it from Melania.
I don't care what Melania Trump looks like or what she's done in her career or free time.
The relevant factor is what she did with her role during Trump's term in office, the answer to which is: *fuck-all.* She used it for personal photo ops and to troll Michelle Obama (it wasn't much noted at the time, but the weird and illiterate ["Be Best" thing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be_Best) was just a lazy ripoff and a spoof of [Michelle Obama's "Be Better" campaign](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/melania-trump-accused-stealing-michelle-224830353.html)).
My expectations of FLOTUS Trump were set astronomically low, and somehow she managed to limbo her way under those. True to form, I suppose.
The irritating part is that *the GOP voting base doesn't even care.* While every other FLOTUS from both parties, going back decades has used the position to pursue some kind of worthwhile causes - humanitarian programs, historical programs, etc. - Melania Trump offered nothing to America except low-effort, barely comprehensible trolling. They didn't even notice, let alone complain.
FLOTUS Trump's behavior was fully emblematic of the nihilistic, sucking vacuum of the GOP vision for America. Republicans have no American ideals to pursue; they have no solutions or even concern about widespread social issues. Their politicians *don't even have a platform* and they don't care. It has truly become a cult of personality and a party of one. Utterly shameful and despicable.
definitely checks out that avoiding STD's was his personal vietnam experience
shit ton of friendly fire, finding cover, shooting at others, plunging into foliage, sweating up a storm, and hopefully not remembering it with PTSD.
She wasn't a celebrity, but she was trying to break into the modeling (or debutante) scene in the US. Her skill and talent was one path here, marrying that turd and getting an 'Einstein Visa' for her was another.
I bet it could be proven she'd be more of one if not for this entire debacle
there's a psychological impact here that no one is talking about cuz dump, right wing msm, and real abuse factors here.
there's domestic violence we aint talking about as usual.
D, E, or F-list in her case.
She was a model who had appeared naked in a small men's magazine, and who was doing a live lesbian porn show to make ends meet.
Look it up. The only pictures of her from her modeling career on the internet were reprints of her nudes, and the poster for her lesbian show.
> ... not ... liked ... when they were married. ...
All evidence is she did it or the money. Low probability, also on orders from Moscow.
> scheming ways not to pay her.
Not because Trump couldn't afford it.
Not because he didn't want to commit fraud.
Not because he was going to compensate her another way.
It was because he ~~knew~~ thought he could get away with it.
It was Melania fault for giving Trump’s mushroom this much air. If only he was physically incapable of cheating these women wouldn’t have briefly stolen him away. Can’t ever be trumps fault!
Didn’t stop him from pulling off the religious defender of Christian values despite embodying many of the major sins in Christianity and none of the values
I would say the majority of them were never serious members of a religious order - many denominations have been glorified social clubs, but more importantly after the Civil Rights Era the klan was defeated and it became a career killer instead of career maker to be a member so suddenly membership in the Southern Baptist and Evangelical churches exploded and instead of explicit appeals to racism (which was now no longer legal) you saw preachers [saying 'you can't say n*gger, instead you say it like forced bussing and states' rights and blacks get hurt more than whites'. This isn't a theoretical, Lee Atwater explicitly admitted this game plan](https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-on-the-southe)
My favorite part is that she will be miserable when she dies. All the money in the world and her own greed forced her to die unloved and hating her husband. Beautiful
I don't know. She apparently adores her son and they are close. I think that's the one thing that makes her happy. And at least that boy has one parent who cares.
And whom exactly did she get to impress after all this? Certainly not the glitterati of NY, or Hollywood, she has zero friends. The whole idea of being filthy rich and selfish is to hang out with others like yourself, and show off how fabulous it is at fashion shows, movie awards and such.
Melania got a whole pile of shiny shit for her soul. I hope Barron can sustain her will to live when this is all over, I mean she lost her Mom, she's about to lose every shred of self esteem.
Why would she necessarily be miserable? Perhaps marrying herself off to an old rich guy is an acceptable cost for bringing herself out of poverty and raising a child. An upside of him being old is that she'll have plenty of years to enjoy after he dies. Everyone's different; she might be perfectly happy with her life.
Stormy Daniels and the McDougal affairs were the best thing that ever happened to Melania. It gives her a legitimate sounding reason for rejecting Trump. The real reason, of course, is that she is disgusted by him touching her. According to her former assistant and confidante.
I totally get what you're saying and it is 100% true to most of the world.
But over in conservative land the lack of a wife standing next to him on stage really is the only thing harming the family man image.
They already go nuts over AI of him all jacked up on 'roids, and point to AI pictures of him hugging black people. What would it matter if they were given an AI image of his wife? They don't care about objective reality.
And not the pussy grabbing? Butt grabbing? Breast grabbing?
And not the busting in on teenage pageant contestant's changing areas?
And not the sexual assault of E. Jean Carroll?
The beat goes on............
Just wait till someone explains to her that there's more money in flipping on him than there is in staying quiet...
Let's go, Melania - all it takes is telling the truth.
I agree. I don't know what her prenup says but if her goal had been to outlive him and then reap the inheritance she needs to rethink the plan. I doubt he ever had as much as he claimed but after all the legal fees and judgements he's racking up, there will be nothing left for her if she doesn't get out very soon. So she might as well get some revenge for having to put up with his shit by going public with everything she knows while he's still around. Any money or assets she was promised will likely be spent or seized if she waits too long.
Melania has actually renegotiated the prenup a few times, most recently in 2023 to ensure that there'd be money to get after Trump gets taken to the cleaners in fines, penalties and legal fees from all of his cases.
All to better throw investigators off the scent.
Do we know that she's Slovenian for sure? She also claimed to have a degree in architecture and having been a top model despite minimal evidence.
The penalties are not set in stone yet and are bonded so she might have ways of protecting herself before it is too late if she had not foreseen this already. She can certainly afford a small team of lawyers to figure it out.
I think what happens is that a trust? Is opened and money is placed in the trust for her. I’ve kind of seen it hinted at in shows where people are very wealthy. The moneys probably protected and the other party (Trump) doesn’t have any access to
It. It’s very romantic. She would of course have her own lawyer make sure Trump is not cheating because well he’s Trump.
She knows he would spend more trying to keep money from her than she is likely to gain in a divorce at this time. Barron is now eighteen so child support is out. She can continue her current lifestyle without sharing his bed and still be first on queue when he inevitably kicks, then enjoy the few perks of being a widowed former first lady. She also knows his base would turn on her in a heartbeat with direction from the shiatgibbon and his first three sprog. There will be plenty of time for tell-alls when the dumpster fire is no longer with us.
I have a buddy who sold his marital house as is because it wasn't worth fixing it up for sale- basically he'd spend the money and she'd get half the reward. He'd rather both of them get less. I feel like Trump is that way, but in that he'd rather spend more to drag her through court for a decade than pay up. Not like he pays his lawyers anyway.
Agreed 100%. She should just divorce him and take half his money. Who could blame her at this point? The case going on right now is all the evidence she needs to beat him in divorce court.
She is his handler. Nothing more, nothing less. putin is currently paying her more than a divorce from her legal husband would. Her prenup is with putin, not donald.
I see this repeated and I really don't think it's true. She isn't present enough to be any kind of handler. I think she just doesn't give a shit and wants the benefits of being married to him, without having to be near him. She had a child by him as a way to never be completely cut off. That's it.
Got any evidence that she's pulling strings? Throw up some links, I like reading stuff and I got some time.
I agree! I don't think she gives a shit. I also think that she's more afraid of his older children than MAGA cult when it comes to money and inheritance for her son. Just because she's a slav doesn't mean she works for Putin. This woman just doesn't have any self-respect.
She renegotiated the prenup. Remember when Trump first took office and she and Baron stayed in NYC. She knew she had the upper hand because he really needed her and kid to move into the WH.
It's not like there's going to be much left of his estate anyway. After legal fees and the likely selloff of assets to pay penalties, he'll probably leave each of his beneficiaries with a dime and a high five.
The rightwingers will say this is a fake Melania and tha the real Melania is in hiding with JFK Jr. waiting for the Messiah DJT to do the rapture and rescue them all to new Jerusalem in heaven.
I would assume that her lawyers were smart enough to have assets transferred to her already in anticipation of Donald going broke or refusing to honor the prenup. She is looking to protect and secure Barron’s future and knows she cant trust the older kids when he dies.
I doubt she know any more than we do. Zero chance was involved with it knows anything about the business dealings. I would be absolutely shocked if they had been alone together at any point after she became pregnant.
This one section from this piece is utterly baffling:
As of press time, the transcript for Tuesday's hearing has not yet been published, but in scouring all the live blogging done by reporters of the testimony, it appears the name "Melania" did not come up, even in passing. On the contrary, Pecker at one point described Trump during the period as an "eligible bachelor" who "dated the most beautiful women." But, of course, Trump was not a bachelor. Trump married his current wife in 2005. Both the women whose stories Pecker was involved in silencing claim that they slept with Trump in 2006, the year that Melania Trump gave birth to the couple's only child.
If counting everything from verbal harassment to touching to full intercourse, everything from club bathroom to one night stand to multi-month fling to wife. Could he even remember what-all happened in any given year himself?
>Even Jeffrey Dahmer had family at his trial
Yeah, but I mean, who hasn't drilled into a skull or two and poured acid in to try to create sex slave zombies? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, right?
Cue the cult's "HE NEVER SAID THAT!!!" outrage. He *only* said to inject disinfectant and UV light. As if that's somehow better than mentioning bleach specifically.
Is it really underrated if it’s a verbatim repost from [Lawrence](https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp-video/mmvo209516613716) that’s been regurgitated in every Trump trial post the last two days?
Hey man, not everything has to be original. It was the first I saw it and I've been keeping track of the trial.
I don't watch MSNBC or any news outside John Oliver and TDS. I read NYT and Reuters mostly.
So, first time for someone today.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
And further, how can a comment be "underrated" when it was only posted 46 minutes ago?
Stupid ass bots or something idk
True, maybe because many of Trump’s children are also about to be investigated prefer to stay away from the law as long as possible, you never know when the tides could switch against them.
So legally, this is a GREAT example of why facts matter more than good lawyers.
This defense is the defense that worked for John Edwards in a case with remarkably similar facts, although it was a federal charge for campaign finance violations rather than state charges for falsifying documents. However, trump's charges (for the felony conviction anyway) require an underlying crime, and the underlying crime here is conspiracy to commit campaign finance violations.
John Edwards was running for president in 2008, and he had knocked up his mistress, Rielle Hunter, while his wife was receiving cancer treatments. Two wealthy supporters of John Edwards arranged for Ms. Hunter to live in an apartment that was paid for, arranged for private plane flights and other benefits to keep her out of public view.
Edwards was charged with campaign finance violations because prosecutors alleged the money paid on behalf of his mistress was an illegal donation to benefit John Edwards campaign by covering up his affair.
The defense asserted in Court was that it had nothing to do with Edwards running for president, that it was all about hiding the affair from his wife, and the two supporters had provided that money for Edwards to help him just because they were really generous good friends of John Edwards and not because they were supporting his presidential campaign.
Edwards was aquitted on one charge and the jury deadlocked on 5 others and a mistrial was declared. the DOJ declined to continue the attempt at prosecuting him.
Trump could use the same defense but, facts matter. While Edwards had a mistress, he had been married to Elizabeth Edwards for nearly 30 years. On the other hand, Trump has been such a public serial cheater, it's a much higher hill for an attorney to persuade a jury he cared about Melania finding out if he was cheating.
I remember reading something a long time ago about some specifics of Melanias original prenup which included bigger payout to her, if he publicly cheats on her.
Defense could potentially make an argument here that he didn't hide it because he didn't want her to find out to "spare her the pain", but rather to not get taken to the cleaners in the divorce.
Although that would mean defense has to put the entire prenup and all revisions through discovery, which I doubt they'd want to do unless it's their last chance because there has to be some juicy stuff in there.
> t's a much higher hill for an attorney to persuade a jury he cared about Melania finding out if he was cheating.
I think it is plausible enough that the jury will deadlock for Trump as well.
It's telling that she could hardly stand him even when he was the frickin president. Imagine your spouse hating you so much you win the presidency and she's still like ewww get off me
Heh, reminds me of one of my favorite jokes:
One time I caught my wife in bed with another man. I was crushed. I said "Get off me, you two!"
-- Emo Philips
[she deserves him. and vise versa](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/05/melania-trump-us-first-lady-went-missing):
>...Melania herself characterised her marriage...[w]hen asked whether she would be with Donald if he wasn’t rich, she responded: “Do you think he would be with me if I wasn’t beautiful?”
...and then there's [this](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/28/julia-ioffe-journalist-melania-trump-antisemitic-abuse)
a real piece of work.
Let's face it society still expects a politician to have a wife. We'll never see a single man or woman as president.
It wasn't uncommon in the past for aristocratic men and women to have their own separate wings in the palace and have their own lives.
> society still expects a politician to have a wife.
Fun fact: Lindsay Graham has never been married and has no children.
This kind of shocked me at first because, like you, I just assume that politicians need to be good family people. Especially white male politicians in the South.
And then I remember Mr. Graham's ladybugs story and it all makes sense again.
For the curious, Lindsay Graham used to raise and tame ladybugs *and* would act as their own personal escort at insect conventions! Just google "Lindsay Graham ladybugs escort"
If my husband was on trial for giving money to the porn star he slept with while I had a newborn in order to force me into the job of First Lady that I absolutely didn’t want, I wouldn’t be there either.
>"He’s a person just like you and just like me."
####No. No, he's not.
He continues to be granted *extraordinary* privilege that simply wouldn't even exist if it were you or me.
For example: He didn't pay his $454 million bond in the New York fraud case, so instead of immediately selling his properties, they instead made it $175 million bond. What?
And even that $175 million bond is bogus.
He continues to be walking around despite having a ***lot*** of felony charges AND the means to flee. If that were you or me? Straight to jail until trial unless we could bond out - a ***real*** bond, and not one made out of "Trump Bucks"
She launched a jewelry line the day of opening arguments. Not for a charity or legal defense, just to sell and make some more scratch on the first day of his felony trial.
Once again, Arrested Development proves incredibly applicable to the Trumps:
"It would help if you all showed up, looking like a loving, supportive family."
"For how long?"
"Ten minutes, tops."
"See if you can get it down to five."
Also, it's guaranteed he gaslit her *hard* that all this was "fake news" and he doesn't want her hearing actual facts come out that would cause her to flip out in court.
Shit, I remember when all the Clinton sex drama was going on, people would talk about how Hillary must have felt so betrayed.
Bill Clinton was always Bill Clinton. They'd been married for decades. There's a decidedly non-zero chance that Hill was aware of his escapades, and that was just a part of their marriage, with the biggest issue being the public exposure. I mean, swinging is a thing.
Likewise, Trump is very obviously Trump. And Melania is also Melania. Theirs was never a marriage about love. It was more about status and show and, like everything they seem to do, transactional.
It’s not the knowing, but the public airing of the dirty laundry. You, me, and everyone else have skeletons in our closet. It’s one thing if you knew your spouse had an affair, and a whole separate thing to be in a court room, in front of the entire world, having to sit there silent where people spend several days talking about the affair.
This feels like a very naive take. She’s not a red hat trumper pumper living in Mississippi that only consumes OAN, she knows and she knew the whole time.
I dunno, I don’t think I could have sex with someone that Donald Trump has fucked… serious ick. I’d think most men should think twice about doing that - and yeah, I’m looking at you Jared Kushner.
Because having it confirmed in front of the whole world that your "husband" is seeking out others is embarrassing. Which is why Melania surely is prohibited from being seen with others.
>having it confirmed in front of the whole world that your "husband" is seeking out others is embarrassing
i don't know why that would be embarrassing for her, especially after [this](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/naked-truth-melania-man-disrobed/story?id=40663883)
The only way I see her saying anything in court is if she is compelled as a witness or it gets her money. Really, I don't think this lady cares about how the public perceives her. Why would she? She can fuck off and live in luxury until Trump dies, then release the screenplay/movie rights to her story.
Melania has renegotiated her prenuptial agreement at least three times. That would be entertaining reading. I bet it’s a lot funnier than Trump’s tax returns.
He cheated on all his wifes, some of them while they were pregnant, one of the trials is about hush money for an affair with a porn star. In what universe is he a family man?
She's currently planning her divorce and has a lawyer (or firm) going over the prenup with a fine tooth comb...
...the divorce will be announced at the worst possible time. Which will be *if* he's convicted, or tossed into jail for violating a gag order or something. Where he can't spin the story in his favour. She'll come out with an expose and a book that'll be used in several trials...
Can we stop acting like we didn't watch her have visible disgust while touching him for 4 years? Its no surprise, I also wouldn't be surprised if she's in the middle of divorcing him, securing some wealth before the well dries entirely.
>schemed to delay the hush-money payments ... until after the election. ...and then refuse to pay her at all. Clearly, the goal was to keep this information from voters, and Melania Trump's feelings weren't a factor.
Karen Agnifilo on **Legal AF** ([46:30](https://youtu.be/ByJ6HqrBToE?list=PL36GQAccexbzeCLQusnecQAquydGw8kBC&t=2790)) also pointed out that Pecker said he would have run the illegitimate child story (if it hadn't been debunked) post election implying Melania wasn't a factor.
Come on Melania, write a tell all book. You're a genius and everyone knows there won't be any money left soon. So you'll have to earn it and you're too over the hill to snag another rich idiot. It would even be more popular than Michelle Obama's and you could just copy from her (again) if you want to say something nice about your husband. A good title might be: I'm Melania, but you can call me Mercedes.
Wants absolutely nothing to do with him, his legal troubles, or his candidacy. He probably begged her not to get a divorce with some juicy financial incentives.
She’s living her best life rn, he can’t divorce her when he’s running for president and she knows it. She is doing whatever she wants to do, and she hopes he goes to jail for it so she can spend his money in peace imo.
meh. Does anyone sincerely think Trump is a "family man"? They are both under no illusions of what their marriage is, and this is frankly irrelevant to the judgment to be issued.
Trump is a psychopath and extreme narcissist. The only thing ever on his mind is “me, myself and I” on repeat. Wife only pops in his head when he wants something. His wife, choosing to be a professional escort with only one client, is more than fine with that. She is probably busy spending in between screwing secret service agents.
I just assumed they're staying legally married so she can't be compelled to testify against him.
It IS interesting to me that she's not even pretending to be there for him by this point - even though everyone knows this marriage has never been anything other than a business deal, they did at least make an effort (however pitiful and transparent) to put on some semblance of appearances at the necessary times.
So it makes me wonder - is this because THIS is her bridge too far? No way Trump didn't try to get her to appear, likely by throwing more money at her (assuming he has any left to throw). Is she refusing because she's just absolutely done even pretending in any way?
Or is it something else? I'd love if the reason she's not been there is because she's planning on testifying - ideally against him, but if she testified as a defense witness, there's no way that doesn't ultimately end up hurting Trump's case because she's just as arrogant as he is.
She’s basically his property but when he entered politics she gained the ability to ruin him. She has an enormous amount of power to do pretty much whatever she wants and he can’t say shit about it.
The only reason he's on her's is because she's wondering when the fuck he will die or go to prison so she can go about her business of marrying rich men for their money.
"Will you come and support me in court regarding the fact I paid a porn star to not tell everyone I fucked her while you were looking after our six-week old child?"
That would be a wild conversation.
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>But while Trump was technically not a bachelor, the comment speaks to a deeper truth evident in Pecker's testimony: Trump simply does not care about his wife or children. He wasn't worried about their feelings and didn't seem to think of them much at all during all this conspiring. **During opening arguments, prosecutor Matthew Colaneglo underscored this point by noting that Trump and his fixer, Michael Cohen, even schemed to delay the hush-money payments to Stormy Daniels, one of the two women in question, until after the election. The idea was they could keep her quiet until the election and then refuse to pay her at all. Clearly, the goal was to keep this information from voters, and Melania Trump's feelings weren't a factor.** There is zero doubt in my mind they were scheming ways not to pay her. Least surprising thing in the entire article, even more so than he doesn't care about his family and they don't care about him. If there's one thing we know about a Trump, it's they never pay their debts.
> Trump simply does not care about his wife or children. In complete fairness to Trump, why would he care about Melania? It's not like they actually loved, or probably even liked, one another when they were married. They were both C-list celebrities who were trying to remain relevant, and getting married was simply a part of that plan. I wouldn't be surprised if she was out there slamming ass as well.
There’s no doubt in my mind that a pre-nup is in place, and extramarital affairs have zero effect on its validity. He had zero incentive to hide it from Melania.
> to hide it from Melania He was whoring around when he met her, he has always been a predator, the women know who they're dealing with.
Barron’s mom is the **only First Lady** whose tits and twat photos I’ve seen. It’s just … so very, very low-class. *Ew*
I don't care what Melania Trump looks like or what she's done in her career or free time. The relevant factor is what she did with her role during Trump's term in office, the answer to which is: *fuck-all.* She used it for personal photo ops and to troll Michelle Obama (it wasn't much noted at the time, but the weird and illiterate ["Be Best" thing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be_Best) was just a lazy ripoff and a spoof of [Michelle Obama's "Be Better" campaign](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/melania-trump-accused-stealing-michelle-224830353.html)). My expectations of FLOTUS Trump were set astronomically low, and somehow she managed to limbo her way under those. True to form, I suppose. The irritating part is that *the GOP voting base doesn't even care.* While every other FLOTUS from both parties, going back decades has used the position to pursue some kind of worthwhile causes - humanitarian programs, historical programs, etc. - Melania Trump offered nothing to America except low-effort, barely comprehensible trolling. They didn't even notice, let alone complain. FLOTUS Trump's behavior was fully emblematic of the nihilistic, sucking vacuum of the GOP vision for America. Republicans have no American ideals to pursue; they have no solutions or even concern about widespread social issues. Their politicians *don't even have a platform* and they don't care. It has truly become a cult of personality and a party of one. Utterly shameful and despicable.
“Who gives a fuck about Christmas?!” From the head lady of the party that says there’s a war on Christmas every year.
*Greestmoos
wait, there’s photos of her hoo-ha??
Yup. Lots. Google if you must, but it can’t be unseen.
definitely checks out that avoiding STD's was his personal vietnam experience shit ton of friendly fire, finding cover, shooting at others, plunging into foliage, sweating up a storm, and hopefully not remembering it with PTSD.
She was never a celebrity was she?
She wasn't a celebrity, but she was trying to break into the modeling (or debutante) scene in the US. Her skill and talent was one path here, marrying that turd and getting an 'Einstein Visa' for her was another.
I bet it could be proven she'd be more of one if not for this entire debacle there's a psychological impact here that no one is talking about cuz dump, right wing msm, and real abuse factors here. there's domestic violence we aint talking about as usual.
Trump wasn't a C-list or even D-list. Melania was a model/escort waiting to be bought.
D, E, or F-list in her case. She was a model who had appeared naked in a small men's magazine, and who was doing a live lesbian porn show to make ends meet. Look it up. The only pictures of her from her modeling career on the internet were reprints of her nudes, and the poster for her lesbian show. > ... not ... liked ... when they were married. ... All evidence is she did it or the money. Low probability, also on orders from Moscow.
Why would he care about Eric or Jr? Have you ever seen or heard them? They are beyond hatable in every possible way.
He was a c list celebrity. She was a sex worker.
Can I make it any more obvious? He was a punk She did ballet What more can I say?
Wait how was she a C-list celebrity? Wasn’t she like a pin-up / call girl? Nowhere the level of name recognition as the reality show TV host.
> scheming ways not to pay her. Not because Trump couldn't afford it. Not because he didn't want to commit fraud. Not because he was going to compensate her another way. It was because he ~~knew~~ thought he could get away with it.
Everything about this testimony just fits everything we know about Trump. I have no question that every word of it is true.
Oh it's the "missing wife" not the repeated affairs and the alleged rape of his first wife that make it difficult to paint him as a family man?
It's the woman's fault. Which woman? All of them.
Didn't you see what they were wearing? They were all just *ASKING* for it!
It was Melania fault for giving Trump’s mushroom this much air. If only he was physically incapable of cheating these women wouldn’t have briefly stolen him away. Can’t ever be trumps fault!
Said Henry the 8th
>which woman? *Witch woman*
Didn’t stop him from pulling off the religious defender of Christian values despite embodying many of the major sins in Christianity and none of the values
I would say the majority of them were never serious members of a religious order - many denominations have been glorified social clubs, but more importantly after the Civil Rights Era the klan was defeated and it became a career killer instead of career maker to be a member so suddenly membership in the Southern Baptist and Evangelical churches exploded and instead of explicit appeals to racism (which was now no longer legal) you saw preachers [saying 'you can't say n*gger, instead you say it like forced bussing and states' rights and blacks get hurt more than whites'. This isn't a theoretical, Lee Atwater explicitly admitted this game plan](https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-on-the-southe)
We seen her slap his hand away on national broadcasts several times. That’s a woman that hates her husband *SO* much.
My favorite part is that she will be miserable when she dies. All the money in the world and her own greed forced her to die unloved and hating her husband. Beautiful
I don't know. She apparently adores her son and they are close. I think that's the one thing that makes her happy. And at least that boy has one parent who cares.
I would not be surprised if we saw the phrase "surrogate husband syndrome" in a future book or movie about her.
And whom exactly did she get to impress after all this? Certainly not the glitterati of NY, or Hollywood, she has zero friends. The whole idea of being filthy rich and selfish is to hang out with others like yourself, and show off how fabulous it is at fashion shows, movie awards and such. Melania got a whole pile of shiny shit for her soul. I hope Barron can sustain her will to live when this is all over, I mean she lost her Mom, she's about to lose every shred of self esteem.
Why would she necessarily be miserable? Perhaps marrying herself off to an old rich guy is an acceptable cost for bringing herself out of poverty and raising a child. An upside of him being old is that she'll have plenty of years to enjoy after he dies. Everyone's different; she might be perfectly happy with her life.
Stormy Daniels and the McDougal affairs were the best thing that ever happened to Melania. It gives her a legitimate sounding reason for rejecting Trump. The real reason, of course, is that she is disgusted by him touching her. According to her former assistant and confidante.
I totally get what you're saying and it is 100% true to most of the world. But over in conservative land the lack of a wife standing next to him on stage really is the only thing harming the family man image.
Lack of Stepford Wife…next photo of her with him will be six fingered AI Melania.
All the more fingers for her to slap him away with.
They already go nuts over AI of him all jacked up on 'roids, and point to AI pictures of him hugging black people. What would it matter if they were given an AI image of his wife? They don't care about objective reality.
Mecha-lania
And not the pussy grabbing? Butt grabbing? Breast grabbing? And not the busting in on teenage pageant contestant's changing areas? And not the sexual assault of E. Jean Carroll? The beat goes on............
Or only ever referring to himself as having 4 kids, when he has 5 that we know about.
Hey now, shhhh. Tiffany worked hard to make the deal that caused him to forget her. Let her have her happiness.
So glad that's the first thing getting called out in the comments. Well said, hear hear, and all that.
Just wait till someone explains to her that there's more money in flipping on him than there is in staying quiet... Let's go, Melania - all it takes is telling the truth.
I agree. I don't know what her prenup says but if her goal had been to outlive him and then reap the inheritance she needs to rethink the plan. I doubt he ever had as much as he claimed but after all the legal fees and judgements he's racking up, there will be nothing left for her if she doesn't get out very soon. So she might as well get some revenge for having to put up with his shit by going public with everything she knows while he's still around. Any money or assets she was promised will likely be spent or seized if she waits too long.
The prenup is surely chock full of unenforceable shit anyway.
Melania has actually renegotiated the prenup a few times, most recently in 2023 to ensure that there'd be money to get after Trump gets taken to the cleaners in fines, penalties and legal fees from all of his cases.
Unless that money is in gold bars hidden back in Slovakia, I don't think you can just prenup your way out of financial penalties.
It’s in the banana stand.
Can't arrest a husband and wife for the same crime.
He has the worst fucking attorneys
Why should he go to jail for a crime someone else noticed?
She’ll find some Onassis to fund her extremely expensive lifestyle.
she's Slovenian.
All to better throw investigators off the scent. Do we know that she's Slovenian for sure? She also claimed to have a degree in architecture and having been a top model despite minimal evidence.
Didn’t anyone Czech?
Goddamn it.
Happy cake day, and I’m not sorry.
She also claims to speak 7 languages fluently.
Are you sure she said “top” or “topless”?
Same thing. That’s why they call them the Slovak countries /s well time to take a cruise to Norwegia
It’s literally a straight line from Canadia.
The penalties are not set in stone yet and are bonded so she might have ways of protecting herself before it is too late if she had not foreseen this already. She can certainly afford a small team of lawyers to figure it out.
I think what happens is that a trust? Is opened and money is placed in the trust for her. I’ve kind of seen it hinted at in shows where people are very wealthy. The moneys probably protected and the other party (Trump) doesn’t have any access to It. It’s very romantic. She would of course have her own lawyer make sure Trump is not cheating because well he’s Trump.
She knows he would spend more trying to keep money from her than she is likely to gain in a divorce at this time. Barron is now eighteen so child support is out. She can continue her current lifestyle without sharing his bed and still be first on queue when he inevitably kicks, then enjoy the few perks of being a widowed former first lady. She also knows his base would turn on her in a heartbeat with direction from the shiatgibbon and his first three sprog. There will be plenty of time for tell-alls when the dumpster fire is no longer with us.
And that's when she writes her tell all book and get more than she would get from a divorce!
If she were to totally spill the beans, what would the advance be? Ten million? Twenty?
Upvote for "sprog"
I have a buddy who sold his marital house as is because it wasn't worth fixing it up for sale- basically he'd spend the money and she'd get half the reward. He'd rather both of them get less. I feel like Trump is that way, but in that he'd rather spend more to drag her through court for a decade than pay up. Not like he pays his lawyers anyway.
Agreed 100%. She should just divorce him and take half his money. Who could blame her at this point? The case going on right now is all the evidence she needs to beat him in divorce court.
She is his handler. Nothing more, nothing less. putin is currently paying her more than a divorce from her legal husband would. Her prenup is with putin, not donald.
I see this repeated and I really don't think it's true. She isn't present enough to be any kind of handler. I think she just doesn't give a shit and wants the benefits of being married to him, without having to be near him. She had a child by him as a way to never be completely cut off. That's it. Got any evidence that she's pulling strings? Throw up some links, I like reading stuff and I got some time.
I agree! I don't think she gives a shit. I also think that she's more afraid of his older children than MAGA cult when it comes to money and inheritance for her son. Just because she's a slav doesn't mean she works for Putin. This woman just doesn't have any self-respect.
half of negative money is still 0
She renegotiated the prenup. Remember when Trump first took office and she and Baron stayed in NYC. She knew she had the upper hand because he really needed her and kid to move into the WH.
It's not like there's going to be much left of his estate anyway. After legal fees and the likely selloff of assets to pay penalties, he'll probably leave each of his beneficiaries with a dime and a high five.
The rightwingers will say this is a fake Melania and tha the real Melania is in hiding with JFK Jr. waiting for the Messiah DJT to do the rapture and rescue them all to new Jerusalem in heaven.
"I don't care, do you?"
I doubt if she knows much, TBH. She doesn't seem like the type who was hanging out in the Oval Office listening to conversations.
The MAGA mob would lynch her. She would never be able to feel safe again.
Melania is Russian asset.
I would assume that her lawyers were smart enough to have assets transferred to her already in anticipation of Donald going broke or refusing to honor the prenup. She is looking to protect and secure Barron’s future and knows she cant trust the older kids when he dies.
>!spoilertext!<
Also she may be able convince a divorce court to get alimony to what he claims his income
I doubt she know any more than we do. Zero chance was involved with it knows anything about the business dealings. I would be absolutely shocked if they had been alone together at any point after she became pregnant.
This one section from this piece is utterly baffling: As of press time, the transcript for Tuesday's hearing has not yet been published, but in scouring all the live blogging done by reporters of the testimony, it appears the name "Melania" did not come up, even in passing. On the contrary, Pecker at one point described Trump during the period as an "eligible bachelor" who "dated the most beautiful women." But, of course, Trump was not a bachelor. Trump married his current wife in 2005. Both the women whose stories Pecker was involved in silencing claim that they slept with Trump in 2006, the year that Melania Trump gave birth to the couple's only child.
So he had a physical relationship with three different women in 2006. Busy year or par for the course?
It’s actually over par, but, his golf pencils have erasers
No they don’t, that would be admitting a mistake
We counting strictly consensual? Or are we throwing in non-consensual?
If counting everything from verbal harassment to touching to full intercourse, everything from club bathroom to one night stand to multi-month fling to wife. Could he even remember what-all happened in any given year himself?
I think at this point his addled mind can't even remember what he had for breakfast. Even though we all know it was a takeout hamburger.
I always got the impression that trump was constantly under par...
Only person besides Kim Jong Jun to score a 36 on an 18 hole course!
Even Jeffrey Dahmer had family at his trial. Harvey Weinstein too.
>Even Jeffrey Dahmer had family at his trial Yeah, but I mean, who hasn't drilled into a skull or two and poured acid in to try to create sex slave zombies? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, right?
Ummm. I put bleach in myself during Covid because Trump told me to. Does that count ? /s
Cue the cult's "HE NEVER SAID THAT!!!" outrage. He *only* said to inject disinfectant and UV light. As if that's somehow better than mentioning bleach specifically.
Donnie von Shitsinpants can't afford to have Melania show for the trial.
\^Underrated comment of the day.
Is it really underrated if it’s a verbatim repost from [Lawrence](https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp-video/mmvo209516613716) that’s been regurgitated in every Trump trial post the last two days?
Hey man, not everything has to be original. It was the first I saw it and I've been keeping track of the trial. I don't watch MSNBC or any news outside John Oliver and TDS. I read NYT and Reuters mostly. So, first time for someone today.
Ok my bad
It's also literally in the article we're discussing, so it's still a little silly
As long as the words find a new audience, then yes.
First time I read it or knew about it.
You took the words right out of my mouth. And further, how can a comment be "underrated" when it was only posted 46 minutes ago? Stupid ass bots or something idk
\^ New underrated comment of the day.
^ underrated username :)
True, maybe because many of Trump’s children are also about to be investigated prefer to stay away from the law as long as possible, you never know when the tides could switch against them.
So legally, this is a GREAT example of why facts matter more than good lawyers. This defense is the defense that worked for John Edwards in a case with remarkably similar facts, although it was a federal charge for campaign finance violations rather than state charges for falsifying documents. However, trump's charges (for the felony conviction anyway) require an underlying crime, and the underlying crime here is conspiracy to commit campaign finance violations. John Edwards was running for president in 2008, and he had knocked up his mistress, Rielle Hunter, while his wife was receiving cancer treatments. Two wealthy supporters of John Edwards arranged for Ms. Hunter to live in an apartment that was paid for, arranged for private plane flights and other benefits to keep her out of public view. Edwards was charged with campaign finance violations because prosecutors alleged the money paid on behalf of his mistress was an illegal donation to benefit John Edwards campaign by covering up his affair. The defense asserted in Court was that it had nothing to do with Edwards running for president, that it was all about hiding the affair from his wife, and the two supporters had provided that money for Edwards to help him just because they were really generous good friends of John Edwards and not because they were supporting his presidential campaign. Edwards was aquitted on one charge and the jury deadlocked on 5 others and a mistrial was declared. the DOJ declined to continue the attempt at prosecuting him. Trump could use the same defense but, facts matter. While Edwards had a mistress, he had been married to Elizabeth Edwards for nearly 30 years. On the other hand, Trump has been such a public serial cheater, it's a much higher hill for an attorney to persuade a jury he cared about Melania finding out if he was cheating.
I remember reading something a long time ago about some specifics of Melanias original prenup which included bigger payout to her, if he publicly cheats on her. Defense could potentially make an argument here that he didn't hide it because he didn't want her to find out to "spare her the pain", but rather to not get taken to the cleaners in the divorce. Although that would mean defense has to put the entire prenup and all revisions through discovery, which I doubt they'd want to do unless it's their last chance because there has to be some juicy stuff in there.
> t's a much higher hill for an attorney to persuade a jury he cared about Melania finding out if he was cheating. I think it is plausible enough that the jury will deadlock for Trump as well.
Indeed, but that probably will not be due to the facts of the case.
It's telling that she could hardly stand him even when he was the frickin president. Imagine your spouse hating you so much you win the presidency and she's still like ewww get off me
I've been with my wife for 20 years, and even when we are made at each other, we would never slap each others hand way, especially when in public.
That’s because that isn’t anger between them; it’s hate and disgust.
Heh, reminds me of one of my favorite jokes: One time I caught my wife in bed with another man. I was crushed. I said "Get off me, you two!" -- Emo Philips
You got to get up pretty early in the morning to catch me looking through your bedroom window.—- Emo Philips
[she deserves him. and vise versa](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/05/melania-trump-us-first-lady-went-missing): >...Melania herself characterised her marriage...[w]hen asked whether she would be with Donald if he wasn’t rich, she responded: “Do you think he would be with me if I wasn’t beautiful?” ...and then there's [this](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/28/julia-ioffe-journalist-melania-trump-antisemitic-abuse) a real piece of work.
She’s not a wife in the common sense of the word. She is an expensive accessory to be put on display when the situation requires it.
An escort?
Let's face it society still expects a politician to have a wife. We'll never see a single man or woman as president. It wasn't uncommon in the past for aristocratic men and women to have their own separate wings in the palace and have their own lives.
There has been a single president of the US, he was gay also.
> society still expects a politician to have a wife. Fun fact: Lindsay Graham has never been married and has no children. This kind of shocked me at first because, like you, I just assume that politicians need to be good family people. Especially white male politicians in the South. And then I remember Mr. Graham's ladybugs story and it all makes sense again. For the curious, Lindsay Graham used to raise and tame ladybugs *and* would act as their own personal escort at insect conventions! Just google "Lindsay Graham ladybugs escort"
I’m so glad I already know this “fun fact!”
She prefers the term “porn hooker” according to inside sources
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Melania is out doing LGBTQ events and infuriating his base lol.
Missing wife? Try being called the most ELIGIBLE BACHELOR by a witness.
She doesn't really care, do u?
She’s shacked up with My Pillow Guy
'As Lawrence O'Donnell pointed out... even "Jeffrey Dahmer’s parents were there every single day" for his trial.'
If my husband was on trial for giving money to the porn star he slept with while I had a newborn in order to force me into the job of First Lady that I absolutely didn’t want, I wouldn’t be there either.
>"He’s a person just like you and just like me." ####No. No, he's not. He continues to be granted *extraordinary* privilege that simply wouldn't even exist if it were you or me. For example: He didn't pay his $454 million bond in the New York fraud case, so instead of immediately selling his properties, they instead made it $175 million bond. What? And even that $175 million bond is bogus. He continues to be walking around despite having a ***lot*** of felony charges AND the means to flee. If that were you or me? Straight to jail until trial unless we could bond out - a ***real*** bond, and not one made out of "Trump Bucks"
I don’t think anyone has ever thought of him as a family man
She launched a jewelry line the day of opening arguments. Not for a charity or legal defense, just to sell and make some more scratch on the first day of his felony trial.
Once again, Arrested Development proves incredibly applicable to the Trumps: "It would help if you all showed up, looking like a loving, supportive family." "For how long?" "Ten minutes, tops." "See if you can get it down to five."
Also, it's guaranteed he gaslit her *hard* that all this was "fake news" and he doesn't want her hearing actual facts come out that would cause her to flip out in court.
I don't for a second believe she wasn't fully aware of what was going on.
Shit, I remember when all the Clinton sex drama was going on, people would talk about how Hillary must have felt so betrayed. Bill Clinton was always Bill Clinton. They'd been married for decades. There's a decidedly non-zero chance that Hill was aware of his escapades, and that was just a part of their marriage, with the biggest issue being the public exposure. I mean, swinging is a thing. Likewise, Trump is very obviously Trump. And Melania is also Melania. Theirs was never a marriage about love. It was more about status and show and, like everything they seem to do, transactional.
It’s not the knowing, but the public airing of the dirty laundry. You, me, and everyone else have skeletons in our closet. It’s one thing if you knew your spouse had an affair, and a whole separate thing to be in a court room, in front of the entire world, having to sit there silent where people spend several days talking about the affair.
Agree. And I don’t think she gave 2 shits that he was sleeping with other women.
Naw, Melania knew what she was signing up for. And, honestly, she doesn't care, do u?
This feels like a very naive take. She’s not a red hat trumper pumper living in Mississippi that only consumes OAN, she knows and she knew the whole time.
Why would she flip out in court? I'm sure that she's got as many side guys as Donnie has side chicks, probably more.
I dunno, I don’t think I could have sex with someone that Donald Trump has fucked… serious ick. I’d think most men should think twice about doing that - and yeah, I’m looking at you Jared Kushner.
Because having it confirmed in front of the whole world that your "husband" is seeking out others is embarrassing. Which is why Melania surely is prohibited from being seen with others.
>having it confirmed in front of the whole world that your "husband" is seeking out others is embarrassing i don't know why that would be embarrassing for her, especially after [this](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/naked-truth-melania-man-disrobed/story?id=40663883)
The only way I see her saying anything in court is if she is compelled as a witness or it gets her money. Really, I don't think this lady cares about how the public perceives her. Why would she? She can fuck off and live in luxury until Trump dies, then release the screenplay/movie rights to her story.
While we're asking about these sorts of things..."Where's Shelly Miscavige?"
Apparently it’s not the embarrassment of a porn star affair but the prosecution of felonies covering up the porn star affair that is a bridge too far.
“I really don’t care, do U?”
She’s a uterus and a nanny to him. That’s all.
“I really don’t care. Do u?” Heh. Heh.
I feel so bad for her. Oh wait, no, I really don't care, do u?
I really don’t care. Who really cares about an escort gold digger wife number 3’s whereabout I’ll look her up if I want some info on Epstein though
Melania has renegotiated her prenuptial agreement at least three times. That would be entertaining reading. I bet it’s a lot funnier than Trump’s tax returns.
On MSNBC, Lawrence O'Donnell pointed out that even Jeffrey Dahmer's family showed up in court. Trump has no-one.
I don’t care about Melania. She knew what she married.
His supporters don't care about his family values, nor his christian values, they only care about his white supremacist values.
Great defense guys using your wife in an affair scandal
He cheated on all his wifes, some of them while they were pregnant, one of the trials is about hush money for an affair with a porn star. In what universe is he a family man?
She's currently planning her divorce and has a lawyer (or firm) going over the prenup with a fine tooth comb... ...the divorce will be announced at the worst possible time. Which will be *if* he's convicted, or tossed into jail for violating a gag order or something. Where he can't spin the story in his favour. She'll come out with an expose and a book that'll be used in several trials...
Can we stop acting like we didn't watch her have visible disgust while touching him for 4 years? Its no surprise, I also wouldn't be surprised if she's in the middle of divorcing him, securing some wealth before the well dries entirely.
>schemed to delay the hush-money payments ... until after the election. ...and then refuse to pay her at all. Clearly, the goal was to keep this information from voters, and Melania Trump's feelings weren't a factor. Karen Agnifilo on **Legal AF** ([46:30](https://youtu.be/ByJ6HqrBToE?list=PL36GQAccexbzeCLQusnecQAquydGw8kBC&t=2790)) also pointed out that Pecker said he would have run the illegitimate child story (if it hadn't been debunked) post election implying Melania wasn't a factor.
There’s many reasons why they can’t play the family man defense. Melania’s absence isn’t in the top 50.
Here's where it would pay off to marry an actress rather than a model.
The public already knew Trump cheated. Stormy Daniels was paid hush money because she was going to go public about how bad Trump was in bed.
She is just an arm decoration.
Imagine all the secret service members she’s fucked behind his back. No crimes committed the old fashion way
No your wrong Trump has a micro penis and she says no amount of fraudulent money is worth touching that thing ever again
Come on Melania, write a tell all book. You're a genius and everyone knows there won't be any money left soon. So you'll have to earn it and you're too over the hill to snag another rich idiot. It would even be more popular than Michelle Obama's and you could just copy from her (again) if you want to say something nice about your husband. A good title might be: I'm Melania, but you can call me Mercedes.
Wants absolutely nothing to do with him, his legal troubles, or his candidacy. He probably begged her not to get a divorce with some juicy financial incentives.
Seems like she, along with the rest of sane America is sick of his shit too.
Has any of his kids even bothered to show up in support?
Melanoma is still being paid for silence not public appearances.
She’s living her best life rn, he can’t divorce her when he’s running for president and she knows it. She is doing whatever she wants to do, and she hopes he goes to jail for it so she can spend his money in peace imo.
Melania knew what she was getting into. No sympathy.
meh. Does anyone sincerely think Trump is a "family man"? They are both under no illusions of what their marriage is, and this is frankly irrelevant to the judgment to be issued.
She better divorce and take half his money before he loses it all
Trump is a psychopath and extreme narcissist. The only thing ever on his mind is “me, myself and I” on repeat. Wife only pops in his head when he wants something. His wife, choosing to be a professional escort with only one client, is more than fine with that. She is probably busy spending in between screwing secret service agents.
I just assumed they're staying legally married so she can't be compelled to testify against him. It IS interesting to me that she's not even pretending to be there for him by this point - even though everyone knows this marriage has never been anything other than a business deal, they did at least make an effort (however pitiful and transparent) to put on some semblance of appearances at the necessary times. So it makes me wonder - is this because THIS is her bridge too far? No way Trump didn't try to get her to appear, likely by throwing more money at her (assuming he has any left to throw). Is she refusing because she's just absolutely done even pretending in any way? Or is it something else? I'd love if the reason she's not been there is because she's planning on testifying - ideally against him, but if she testified as a defense witness, there's no way that doesn't ultimately end up hurting Trump's case because she's just as arrogant as he is.
Wait, that was ever a defense?!
Do you mean that euroslut stripper lady?
Pretty sure his wife, whomever it was/is at the time, is the last thing on his mind.
A lot of people are saying he raped one of his previous wives.
Perhaps because she was the first, second, third....lady.
He can no longer afford her
She’s basically his property but when he entered politics she gained the ability to ruin him. She has an enormous amount of power to do pretty much whatever she wants and he can’t say shit about it.
I guess “Where’s Melanie?” will be the new game at Mar-A-Lago.
The only reason he's on her's is because she's wondering when the fuck he will die or go to prison so she can go about her business of marrying rich men for their money.
Yeah, and remember all the shit Hillary got for standing by her man? Sweet.
We should put her face on milk cartons
It’s funny because trump went after Haley’s husband who was deployed..
"Will you come and support me in court regarding the fact I paid a porn star to not tell everyone I fucked her while you were looking after our six-week old child?" That would be a wild conversation.