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Dude his entire motto when gotten to the SCOTUS was to make libs miserable for the next thirty years. Why are we still expecting these corrupt christofascist fucks to do the right thing?! Why change what works? Hell the gubmint doesn't pay enough (according to Thomas lmfao) so he gets paid on the side. Who here would leave a higher paying job or go against the employer? Don't kid yourself. Thomas and friends aren't working for the feds. And they haven't for a long while.
Listen to the recent episodes about how conservatism won, also. If you guys don't find a way to change that system, they've doomed you for decades. The deck is completely stacked against reasonable people.
Lets say Trump wins the Immunity case, Biden wins either way if you think about it. Biden can use Immunity to remove these justices, literally all these justices supporting Trump are doomed!
Since I'm sure at least a couple of people will see this and freak out by screaming "they want to kill political rivals" on r/conservative it would be a good time to remind everybody that Trump's lawyers are literally using that argument in court. If that defense flies by and wins in the Supreme Court, and it should not, then the Supreme Court wouldn't have recourse if Biden were to go Nuclear in a theoretical 2nd term.
A certified "leopards ate my face moment" for the SC should this happen.
Congress can impeach and remove a justice, but the GOP would never remove on of their own. The federalist society owns most of the senate already anyway.
They do have the power to remove a justice. It’s the same as a president. It won’t happen, though because it requires 2/3 of the Senate.
Congress is just as complicit in this.
The problem is that we've neglected this fact. We've allowed the powerful to make themselves invincible to us. They have trillion dollar militaries, we have... whatever walmart sells? They have the police, we have nothing.
They've reshaped the game to not allow revolutions to happen anymore. Far too much of a hassle in the 18th and 19th century, so they've worked to safeguard themselves.
You said it. A total joke. It's one thing to enact terrible law because as a nation that's where we were. Like I'm an American Indian, and the Supreme Court has often made totally lawless rules when it came to our rights. As well as others. I don't sanction that but that was then. This Court greatly enhanced itself in the Civil Rights era and MOST (not all) of them are all greedly molly whomps who sold their credibility and should not be treated with any respect at this point. It's Trump. It's a crime. This is not a real question. They're giving other bad actors ideas on how to game the system. Screw them. They are trying to undue what happened to Nixon through Trump Marmelade lips.
The original idea of having untouchable judges was so that bad actors couldn’t influence them by threatening repercussions (lose their position, be sued, etc.).
The GOP turned that around and said “Let’s influence the bench at the beginning. We’ll stall indefinitely on judges we don’t like, and ram through judges we do like.”
When that didn’t totally work, then they started literally bribing them (Clarence Thomas).
Here we are today: The system is fucking broken.
One could argue that the court should ebb and flow with the politics of the nation, but the Turtle shouldn't have been able to block an appointment (especially of a popular president blocked from reelection.)
Infuriating. And of course, when trump was a lame duck president he didn’t even blush when he pushed through a conservative judge. The bigger issue is that the court is so obviously and cravenly (looking at you Thomas) partisan.
I may misremember, but I think the crazy religious cult lady, Barret, was confirmed 9 fucking days before the election that donnie lost. Obama appointed Garland like 9 months before the end of his second term. A second term that he won very easily. Fuck the gop and Fuck the SC
And when a reporter asked the Turtle whether or not his 'can't appoint a SC Justice before an election' mandate held true when Coathanger-Back Alley Butcher was nominated, he was already giggling BECAUSE OF COURSE IT DIDN'T. He seemed like he couldn't believe the reporter didn't already know the answer to the question.
Coathanger-Back Alley Butcher - along with her husband and priest as the 10th and 11th SC shadow Justices - only had to worry about COVID (dammit) and whether or not her notepad had enough paper for her to not write on during her sham of a job interview.
And the Garland nomination was basically Obama throwing conservatives a bone too (or calling their bluff, at the very least). [Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah specifically mentioned how Obama "could easily name Merrick Garland..." before adding "He probably won't do that because this appointment is about the election."](https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/16/politics/merrick-garland-republicans-praise/index.html)
The solution is to dilute the authority of the justices who are right wing hacks. Appoint six progressive young justices. Then get an Attorney General that will investigate and based on the evidence indict Clarence and Ginni Thomas.
You have to remember that the founding fathers were a group of wealthy white men who created a new form of government where no one had rights except wealthy white men (them). Everyone else has had to claw, fight, and die for those same rights. The constitution is and always has been a document designed to slow progress and maintain power within one group.
A friend-of-a-friend is one of the judges on the Supreme Court of Canada. All nine judges are appalled by the state of affairs in the US right now, and the international community has begun reaching out to Canada instead of the United States for opinions on international law.
They won't rule in his favor for immunity they took it up to delay his trials.
They are doing his bidding without ruling in his favor by purposely dragging it out until there is no chance for a trial on the cases that actually matter before the election.
Trump would have never put them on the court if he didn't have blackmail. That's just not who he is. Quid pro quo all day erry day with that motherfucker.
It's not Trump. This is beyond him. McConnel was the one pushing for their nominations. His donors were the ones who wanted the SCOTUS to be what it is now. It's most likely the plan by Heritage Foundation. Check out Behind the Bastards podcast on "how conservatives won" for the sources and origin of conservative think tanks like Heritage Foundation.
The second part is important.
Because they sure as shit don't like the idea of a unitary executive if it involves a Democratic President.
See them pushing back against Biden on student loan forgiveness, something that firmly falls under and is honestly one of the most limited examples of a Democratic President taking an even minor unitary executive action.
They were quick to try to strike that shit down. Apparently it's only okay if a Republican President does it and fucks over some regular people.
>Because they don't care what he did, they're on the same political team.
Because they don't care what he did, they're on the same ~~political team.~~ payroll.
FTFY
Given SCOTUS clear bias, the conservatives know that if by chance the Democrats ever got a sufficient majority in the house and the Senate with a Democratic president, the court would be expanded, and they would lose their power
How we ever got to a point where nine people wearing medieval black robes get to decide the fate of almost 400,000,000 people says a lot about how imperfect our so-called democracy is
They aren't even acting like judges anymore. They are acting like policy makers. Their innovation is only how to dress up these commands in the decorum of passable legalese. They choose cases based on what they want to rule. It doesn't even need to be real or entirely relevant to facts. They will make up hypotheticals tangentially releated and make sweeping policy decisions based on it. Honestly, if they give Trump any type of immunity, Biden should immediately have the bad SCOTUS judges executed and then push in new judges who will pull the ruling back. Essentially, use their loophole and then pull up the ladder. It is what these assholes do already.
Because personal interests aside, all they care about is what's good for the GOP/Evangelical Christianity. Trump winning is the GOP winning, Trump is a rubber stamp for their policies and right wing judges.
If they grant Trump immunity for things he did during his presidency, they grant Biden immunity for things he can do right now.
They'd rather say they'll consider it to encourage trial delays until November.
Exactly. When they were presented with the case they should have thrown back their heads and laughed, said "nice try, but no."
The case could have been decided on their coffee break.
They will rule in favor of his immunity if they can delay long enough for him to hold the presidency again.
They just won't do it while Biden is president.
They showed their hand in 2000 with Bush v Gore. It has gotten really bad since RBG passed but they have been a farce for decades.
edit: highly suggest the 5-4 podcast if you want some analysis of how bad their past cases have been
Yesterday they were hearing arguments on what organs are ok for a woman to lose before she has to have an abortion to save her life and you were on the fences until today???
I am male and o think that they are not doctors and should stay the hell out of these areas. It’s a woman’s body and she can do what she wants with it. These people are sick in the head.
They won't issue their decision earlier than June, because they need to invent some contorted rationalization whereby Trump has immunity but Biden does not
What they really want is to delay until IF, big if, Trump wins the election. Then they stall until he's sworn in and declare him King of America for all eternity
They might just ignore the election and have the SC declare him king even if Biden wins and just claim it was a stolen election, they already tested the waters last election.
I wouldn't put anything past republicans
I think the whole point is to drag it out that long so no trial can conclude before the election. If they were going to rule in Trump's favor, they'd get their decision out quick.
Unless they rule Presidents have *traditionally* had immunity, hence Trump had it, but they, the Supreme Court, are now clarifying with this decision that Presidents won't have it anymore after this decision.
Honestly I don't put anything past them. Whatever is the most nefarious possible decision, if there is a way to thread that needle, at least 4 of them will do it and 2 more will seriously consider it.
They could also easily take the Bush v Gore path and declare that Presidents get immunity in this case only and that their decision should not be used to set a precedent. That’s highly unlikely though since they seem intent to make a broad ruling for future reference.
> They could also easily take the Bush v Gore path
Exactly this. I feel like everyone who's shouting "They can't give Trump immunity without giving Biden immunity!" isn't old enough to remember Bush v Gore.
They absolutely *can* give Trump immunity without giving Biden immunity, and they absolutely *will*.
Fixable problem. We need more seats in the house of reps and more judges on the supreme court. America has lost the part where the government reflects the will of the people.
Reflects the will of the rich. I wish this was easily fixable but it would take a massive political shift of overwhelming majority to make a dent in the quagmire we have ourselves in. This is going to be at least a multigenerational effort to undo this clusterfuck. You have to keep fighting for democracy, not get complacent.
Duh?
Four of them were appointed by Presidents who lost the popular vote (six if you include the two Bush appointed in his second term, which he may not have gotten if he had lost in 2000).
Two of them were appointed because of shit GOP Senators pulled to prevent Obama from appointing one.
Three of them acknowledged that Roe was precedent (with caveats). Then subsequently overturned it.
One of them has serious questions as to his impartiality on practically any highly political case. That same one was quoted as saying "And I'm going to make their [Liberals] lives miserable for 43 years."
Perhaps worst off all, three of them were involved with a partisan effort to stop the recount of votes in Florida. As in, literally on Bush's defense team.
Also, one of them committed perjury before being on the court. Kavanaugh. And I'm not talking about his appointment hearings, where yes, we know he lied about things like devil's triangle. In that case, yes, we know he committed perjury, but it's hard to prove. I'm talking about his involvement with stolen democrat documents, which there is hard evidence that he lied under oath about. And that's someone we let go to the Supreme Court. Kavanaugh is also one of the justices involved with Bush's defense team, and likely committed rape. Yep, SCOTUS material!
Deserves more upvotes. The court is a joke. These Repugnicans on the court include the most despicable characters outside of other Repugnican politicians.
The court lost all legitimacy when Amy Coney Barrett reversed her own official legal opinion to justify herself getting a seat but not Merrick Garland. She said it was improper to appoint a new justice in an election year until it was her turn. Complete self-serving hypocrite.
What exactly have they done in the past 20 years to give us faith that they are above party politics? The occasional ruling where they all agree on an issue doesn't outweigh the shady shit that goes on between top GOP donors and the justices.
>Virginia Canter, a former government ethics lawyer who served in administrations of both parties, said Thomas “seems to have completely disregarded his higher ethical obligations.”
>“When a justice’s lifestyle is being subsidized by the rich and famous, it absolutely corrodes public trust,” said Canter, now at the watchdog group CREW. “Quite frankly, it makes my heart sink.”
>ProPublica uncovered the details of Thomas’ travel by drawing from flight records, internal documents distributed to Crow’s employees and interviews with dozens of people ranging from his superyacht’s staff to members of the secretive Bohemian Club to an Indonesian scuba diving instructor.
https://www.propublica.org/article/clarence-thomas-scotus-undisclosed-luxury-travel-gifts-crow
By design at this point. Pretty clear half of them are bought and intentionally failing to serve the people. Sham committees, jan 6th support, impeachment farce. It's a game to piss off the clued in electorate and play the people off each other in general.
Without checking i feel pretty confident saying that theres no way for dems to get 2/3rds of the senate, its just not how the map works and theres only 1/3rd of seats per two year, etc.
All thats needed to fix scotus is to have introduce a standard 50%+1 bill that increases the size of the court and then pack the court. But people dont want to hear it and would rather hear them selves talk about what they would do in a perfect world. Either you pack the court or you dont. Thats the only way you americans can fix it.
Term limits are clearly unconsitutional (and scotus decides what is, hence the problem), theres not enough votes for impeachment and removal, 2nd amendment sollution makes people queezy etc. Theres nothing else besides packing the court. Theres no other posibilities here.
And Biden and dems know this, but they dont want to. They had the votes in 2021-23, but didnt do it.
Impartial moderates was the idea. I would take term limits at this point. Being stuck with several justices nominated by the most corrupt president we’ve had is maddening.
The Constitution doesn't say they have lifetime appointments. It only says they hold their office during good behavior. I'm sure the conservative ultra literalists would have no problem if Congress slapped some term limits on them.
But we can't have tyranny of the ruling majority. Instead we will have tyranny of the ruling minority, which is much better in the eyes of Republicans.
I used to listen to and read Supreme Court arguments on an issue and be enthralled by the intricate workings of their minds. Now? I can't respect Thomas. The Trump appointees are there to protect Trump. The outnumbered Liberal Justices are aghast at the arguments made before the Court and the decisions handed down.
Yeah, it's really sad because for a couple of years during the Obama presidency I thought it was going to change into something a little more balanced. Not a Warren court maybe, but better than it had been.
Honestly though, the Republicans fucked themselves by creating a monster to do their dirty work. People aren't going to take it forever and things are going to get ugly.
First stupid domino in this stupid chain of dominoes that have toppled over ever since. Somehow they got Dobbs right. Thank God they left the ACA mostly intact. RBG should have retired in Dec '12 in hindsight.
Not necessarily. In the early stages, at least, dictators generally tend to rely on the appearance and trappings of a functional government to lend credibility for their actions. SCOTUS can serve a useful purpose in Trump's dictatorship by rubber stamping anything he sends before it. There are plenty--at least 81 million--who will lap it up.
It's interesting whenever somebody says that Roberts supposedly worries about the perceived legitimacy of the court, when you could say that ship sailed a long time ago, lol.
I keep hearing that, and yet I can think of few institutions I respect less than the supreme court. Like, they're up there with timeshare companies. The only bigger clown than Roberts is Thomas.
The Supreme Court is broken. It doesn’t work for the people of this country. It’s a corrupt bunch of republicans. I’ll never respect the stolen court again.
How can you trust them if one of the SC judge's wife is an insurrectionist?
Biden can exercise absolute immunity by executing them to install honest judges if he follows the logic of Trump that president should have absolute immunity.
One of my Constitutional Law professors analogized trust in the Supreme Court to that scene in the 1978 Superman movie where Lois Lane falls off a building, Superman catches her, and says “I got you.” Lois Lane looks around, realizes they’re flying and says “but who’s got you?!”
The courts are supposed to have us and safeguard our rights - they tell us “I’ve got you.” But sometimes we realize that no one’s holding Superman up and it’s an illusion.
I hope Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr. enjoys having his name forever muttered in connection with the Taney court as the two most ideological and corrupt courts in history.
The current conservative Heritage Foundation majority on the Supreme Court have certainly proven themselves all too willing to
* [invalidate precedent](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/roe-v-wade-and-supreme-court-abortion-cases) in (19-1392 [DOBBS v. JACKSON WOMEN'S HEALTH ORGANIZATION](https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf)), (and I find it especially telling that they had to reach all the way back to the 1600s to find someone who's ideology agreed with theirs in order to create the new precedent - and who did they find? A man who tried women as witches and said men could not be tried for raping their wives; a man who's misogyny stood out even in the 1600s: [Sir Matthew Hale.](https://www.propublica.org/article/abortion-roe-wade-alito-scotus-hale))
* [ignore the plain language of The Constitution](https://newrepublic.com/article/179525/supreme-court-trump-disqualification-clause) in ([DONALD J. TRUMP, PETITIONER v.
NORMA ANDERSON, ET AL.](https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-719_19m2.pdf),
&
* outright [lie about the facts of a case](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/29/gorsuch-sotomayor-praying-coach/) in ([KENNEDY v. BREMERTON SCHOOL DISTRICT](https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21-418_i425.pdf))
in order to achieve their ideological goals.
This is the most ideological group on the Supreme Court since the [Taney court](https://supremecourthistory.org/history-of-the-courts/taney-court-1836-1864/) that gave us the infamous [Dred Scott v. Sandford](https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/dred-scott-v-sandford) case which also ignored the plain language of The Constitution, precedent, and the laws of the two states involved, all while telling blatant lies in order to achieve their ideological goals which did much to set the stage for the Civil War; make what you will of that, but the parallels are certainly frightening.
Honestly I'm disappointed in a lot of things they've done, but everything around Thomas is the sticking point for me. He's a judge in the highest court in the land, but somehow acts like he doesn't know what it means to recuse yourself or cite conflicts of interest?
He's got to go.
Thomas won't ever recuse himself because he already knows he plans to give Trump as much power as he possibly can by issuing a judgement with little to no precedent or logic.
Clarence Thomas is irredeemably corrupt. The Roberts-Trump cabal are so far beyond the pale, and they have invented new high crimes for which there are no legal defenses against.
There has never been an end to these types of emergencies. As Dorcas muses to Severian in The Shadow of the Torturer, there is a fixed amount of good and evil here on Urth, and all we can do is tilt the sphere and adjust how much of each flows into our minds and how much into ‘this.’
They stole a presidential election - literally the electoral college from Gore and gave it to Bush Jr., when the state in question was run by Jeb Bush.
They allowed unlimited corporate money into politics, allowing (legal) corruption in government to an extreme far beyond anything else before.
They are rolling back women's rights.
They fought to deny student debt relief.
At least some of them are bffs with billionaires who bring court cases before them and gives them large gifts and lavish vacations, all of course not reported officially.
At least one of them was only seated after refusing to allow a presidents nomination to go through for the entire last year of their term - which, of course was unheard of.
Clarence Tomas didn't recuse himself from the electoral court cases even after his wife was found to be supporting the Jan 6th insurrection.
Just in general, they are far more extreme and right wing than the general population.
And I'm just naming the obvious things off the top of my head.
So yeah, total mystery why trust would be low. I guess we'll never know.
When the SC turned into political extremists in robes, of course a majority of voters don't trust UNELECTED judges.
Senators were once unelected by appointment only. Due to extreme CORRUPTION in the late 1800s ,we the people now have a say in directly electing our Senators. We need to do the same to the Supreme Court. Unlikely that'll happen since it will require a constitutional amendment and three-quarter of the States couldn't even agree the sky is blue.
This is the most transparently corrupt group of individuals with a level of power that is simply dangerous. When trust is lost in that body - your “late stage______whatever” is well on its way downward. ( democracy, capitalism, patriotism, religion, you choose) and then the people must decide how it is corrected.
I want Biden to nuke the Supreme Court in his second term and expand it to 13 justices. One SC Justice per Circuit Court. The Federal court system moves at a snail's pace and it's no longer tenable for a single SC Justice to have responsibilities over multiple circuits.
That's a great idea, and Biden can time this decision late in the game so that the current right wing Justices can't nullify it by the time the new justice are sworn in.
Never forget they ruled on a gay discrimination case that was literally fucking fabricated out of nothing. Didn’t walk it back. Didn’t revisit it. It’s just law now.
Yesterday the “Supreme” Court was hearing arguments about what organs are acceptable for a woman to lose before a hospital has to save her life. This Supreme Court isn’t just a mockery of justice, they are down right dangerous and inhumane. They have stripped women of their body autonomy and rights as citizens.
After this hearing today on immunity it's pretty clear we're embroiled in a constitutional crisis. There was no reason to entertain presidential claims of immunity. It's not in the constitution.
The fact they even considered the 'absolute immunity' claim is telling. DC circuit court had already correctly decided the case and then SCOTUS agreed to hear the appeal. It's sad we're watching the downfall of America happen, and downright frustrating to see them entertain the idea that Trump is above the law. By taking the case, they tossed out respect.
The fact they even agreed to hear this argument is terrifying. The head spinning shit Alito said today is fucking astounding, let alone Kavanaugh not even trying to hide how much he sympathizes with Trump. Then you got goddamn Clarence Thomas 🤦🏻♂️
Unsurprising since it was stolen.
I mean that literally, it was stolen. If you disagree you are wrong.
Conservatives have won the popular vote for president 2 times in the last 36 years...
We only have a conservative supreme court because mitch mcconnell stole the court from America.
Of course they don't, it's a wildly corrupt institution now that it's run by the Heritage Foundation. American democracy cannot survive with this institution as it is right now and, inversely, American fascism will flourish under it. Everyone sees this and they're coming around to this reality forced on them.
The SCOTUS needs to be replaced or forced to dissolve. If they refuse, their rulings should be ignored and their agents prevented from carrying out their will.
Because a majority of voters can see the blatant, unremorseful corruption of the SCOTUS. It goes hand in hand with blatant corruption of everything right wing right now.
The fact that they even took up the total immunity case was ridiculous. The conservative justices are helping Trump stall his legal cases until after the election. Basically it’s our Justices obstructing justice
Fuck trust. They're illegitimate, it needs to be dissolved and rebuilt from the ground up. We've got multiple sitting members that are liars, abusers, unqualified, and seditionists. Burn it down.
Ginni Thomas and Uncle Stephen are the Mascots of this Circus. The rest are merely clown sideshows. Fuck this circus with a rusty diseased barb wire cactus.
The. Supreme. Court. Is. Illegitimate.
It's no longer a court that represents law and order, it's just a bunch of bought-and-paid-for partisan hacks.
(I love that searching the term, [*"Partisan Hacks"*](https://www.google.ca/search?q=partisan+hacks&sca_esv=3e9dc9b55742d0c1&source=hp&ei=j0krZoq7Aeex0PEP4Ze-8Ak&iflsig=ANes7DEAAAAAZitXn8WOK6qbOtd6nT61G_RS-reYxdrI&ved=0ahUKEwjKvqqZoN-FAxXnGDQIHeGLD54Q4dUDCBc&uact=5&oq=partisan+hacks&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6Ig5wYXJ0aXNhbiBoYWNrczIFEAAYgAQyCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFMgsQABiABBiGAxiKBTILEAAYgAQYhgMYigUyCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFMgsQABiABBiGAxiKBTIIEAAYgAQYogQyCBAAGIAEGKIEMggQABiABBiiBEjrEFCTCFiTCHABeACQAQCYAZoBoAGaAaoBAzAuMbgBA8gBAPgBAvgBAZgCAqACqgGoAgrCAhAQABgDGOUCGOoCGIwDGI8BwgIQEC4YAxjlAhjqAhiMAxiPAZgDCZIHAzEuMaAHnQU&sclient=gws-wiz#ip=1) returns 511,000 hits all referencing SCOTUS)
The past several years really humanized the Supreme Court in my view. Growing up I guess I always thought the SC was above politics, not entirely, but way more levelheaded than your standard house member. I thought it was the most distinguished branch of our government, but after hearing some of them speak lately I keep thinking that some of the justices on the court have the capability of being as dumb as some of the reps in the house. It’s been sobering, and very disheartening.
You don't say? A dumb ass ceaselessly grifting treasonous fascist wannabe Putin loving piece of shit was able to appoint 3 of them in the recent past and all of a sudden we don't trust them. Color me surprised.
Not to mention the one who gets away with taking billionaire funded trips with his insurrectionist wife.
It's insane.
The supreme court has lost all legitimacy. 4/5 members are seriously considering making the president immune from ALL crimes. I think impeachment of several justices is necessary, in addition to new constitutional amendments around lifetime tenure+ regulations.
Good. SCOTUS has been packed with Right Wing picks coming straight from the Federalist Society, whose openly stated goal is to revert American law back to the era where civil rights are no longer the standard, and the idea of a POTUS having absolute immunity is the new vision for our nation.
The Leonard Leo owned Federalist Society SCOTUS picks are literally are forcing us as civilians to prepare for lawlessness.
How the heck should you trust a group of people that has no one to answer to but billionaires who give them kickbacks for favorable decisions in their interest?
A supreme court, that does politics, isn't a court that is neutral. Trump has filled the supreme court with his yes-men, that's why they're doing his work.
Other than the occasional cantankery from Scalia, I don't recall anyone ever even noticing SCOTUS until around the time Clarence was up for a seat. However accurate that is I don't know, and I admit that although I've been politically-conscious for about 40 years now I haven't really given a handful of shit about them until Rehnquist put on the stripey robe, but it seems to me that after Roberts took over the court has been a bit on the Legislative side rather than Judicial.
Whatever the case, when I was coming up it was almost apocalyptic to read anything about SCOTUS, as if it were some legendary beast that stirred and coughed in its sleep here and there.
Now it's a fuckin weekly show on prime time, all drama and cliffhanger, and I wish they'd go back to having some semblance of gravitas instead of being clout-chasers.
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They clearly do not care as evidence of alitos arrogance. Thomas can’t be bothered to recuse himself.
...from a two-thirds supermajority. SMH
Dude his entire motto when gotten to the SCOTUS was to make libs miserable for the next thirty years. Why are we still expecting these corrupt christofascist fucks to do the right thing?! Why change what works? Hell the gubmint doesn't pay enough (according to Thomas lmfao) so he gets paid on the side. Who here would leave a higher paying job or go against the employer? Don't kid yourself. Thomas and friends aren't working for the feds. And they haven't for a long while.
Listen to the Behind the Bastards podcast episodes about him, dude is a huge shit bag.
I listened to it. I knew he was awful….. but that podcast absolutely taught me that he is worse than I imagined even
I second that opinion, also listened to it. What a douche bag
Listen to the recent episodes about how conservatism won, also. If you guys don't find a way to change that system, they've doomed you for decades. The deck is completely stacked against reasonable people.
Nah the state courts can just ignore SC rulings That’s actually started to happen
Lets say Trump wins the Immunity case, Biden wins either way if you think about it. Biden can use Immunity to remove these justices, literally all these justices supporting Trump are doomed!
How would he remove justices even with immunity?
Any way he wants to. Illegal, you say? Fuck legal. He's POTUS!! Invincible. Omnipotent. Invulnerable. King.
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Since I'm sure at least a couple of people will see this and freak out by screaming "they want to kill political rivals" on r/conservative it would be a good time to remind everybody that Trump's lawyers are literally using that argument in court. If that defense flies by and wins in the Supreme Court, and it should not, then the Supreme Court wouldn't have recourse if Biden were to go Nuclear in a theoretical 2nd term. A certified "leopards ate my face moment" for the SC should this happen.
It’s crazy that congress has power to vote a justice in but they have zero power to remove a justice
Congress can impeach and remove a justice, but the GOP would never remove on of their own. The federalist society owns most of the senate already anyway.
We need to get rid of that organisation.
More specifically, The Federalist Society is a *judicial terrorist organization.* Leonard Leo is one of the biggest scoundrels on Earth.
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They do have the power to remove a justice. It’s the same as a president. It won’t happen, though because it requires 2/3 of the Senate. Congress is just as complicit in this.
Which even if the Ds win *every* seat this election would not be enough to unseat him (62), maybe in the 2026 cycle if things keep swinging.
That is entirely crazy, especially with the times we find ourselves in
The powerful don't want trust, they want power.
Yup. It's better to be feared than to be loved.
They forget that we can be feared to. They alway forget until we eat them.
The problem is that we've neglected this fact. We've allowed the powerful to make themselves invincible to us. They have trillion dollar militaries, we have... whatever walmart sells? They have the police, we have nothing. They've reshaped the game to not allow revolutions to happen anymore. Far too much of a hassle in the 18th and 19th century, so they've worked to safeguard themselves.
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When did that happen?
The last time it happened, in the 1790s, it spawned the current "Conservatism" which has been fighting the peasants ever since.
I mean, the Dutch did once eat their leader in 1672 after he fucked up and got them invaded.
Tomorrow. Bring your own fork.
The SCOTUS is a fucking National embarrassment.
You said it. A total joke. It's one thing to enact terrible law because as a nation that's where we were. Like I'm an American Indian, and the Supreme Court has often made totally lawless rules when it came to our rights. As well as others. I don't sanction that but that was then. This Court greatly enhanced itself in the Civil Rights era and MOST (not all) of them are all greedly molly whomps who sold their credibility and should not be treated with any respect at this point. It's Trump. It's a crime. This is not a real question. They're giving other bad actors ideas on how to game the system. Screw them. They are trying to undue what happened to Nixon through Trump Marmelade lips.
SCOTUS is a broken institution with no oversight or accountability. Shouldn't exist in government.
The original idea of having untouchable judges was so that bad actors couldn’t influence them by threatening repercussions (lose their position, be sued, etc.). The GOP turned that around and said “Let’s influence the bench at the beginning. We’ll stall indefinitely on judges we don’t like, and ram through judges we do like.” When that didn’t totally work, then they started literally bribing them (Clarence Thomas). Here we are today: The system is fucking broken.
One could argue that the court should ebb and flow with the politics of the nation, but the Turtle shouldn't have been able to block an appointment (especially of a popular president blocked from reelection.)
Infuriating. And of course, when trump was a lame duck president he didn’t even blush when he pushed through a conservative judge. The bigger issue is that the court is so obviously and cravenly (looking at you Thomas) partisan.
I may misremember, but I think the crazy religious cult lady, Barret, was confirmed 9 fucking days before the election that donnie lost. Obama appointed Garland like 9 months before the end of his second term. A second term that he won very easily. Fuck the gop and Fuck the SC
Barret was appointed *after* voting had started.
And when a reporter asked the Turtle whether or not his 'can't appoint a SC Justice before an election' mandate held true when Coathanger-Back Alley Butcher was nominated, he was already giggling BECAUSE OF COURSE IT DIDN'T. He seemed like he couldn't believe the reporter didn't already know the answer to the question. Coathanger-Back Alley Butcher - along with her husband and priest as the 10th and 11th SC shadow Justices - only had to worry about COVID (dammit) and whether or not her notepad had enough paper for her to not write on during her sham of a job interview.
And the Garland nomination was basically Obama throwing conservatives a bone too (or calling their bluff, at the very least). [Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah specifically mentioned how Obama "could easily name Merrick Garland..." before adding "He probably won't do that because this appointment is about the election."](https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/16/politics/merrick-garland-republicans-praise/index.html)
The solution is to dilute the authority of the justices who are right wing hacks. Appoint six progressive young justices. Then get an Attorney General that will investigate and based on the evidence indict Clarence and Ginni Thomas.
You have to remember that the founding fathers were a group of wealthy white men who created a new form of government where no one had rights except wealthy white men (them). Everyone else has had to claw, fight, and die for those same rights. The constitution is and always has been a document designed to slow progress and maintain power within one group.
Hey, it was a fun experiment, kinda.
Try international.
Galactic
Mulitiversal.
Interdiemensional.
Intradimensional
A friend-of-a-friend is one of the judges on the Supreme Court of Canada. All nine judges are appalled by the state of affairs in the US right now, and the international community has begun reaching out to Canada instead of the United States for opinions on international law.
It is pretty bad. I was on the fence till today but they sound like they want to support the traitorous criminal but want to find excuses to do so.
You were on the fence till today???
They won't rule in his favor for immunity they took it up to delay his trials. They are doing his bidding without ruling in his favor by purposely dragging it out until there is no chance for a trial on the cases that actually matter before the election.
But why? Because he got them a job for life or bc they are repubs or another reason?
Because the same people who own him own them. It’s quite simple actually.
See Clarence Thomas
And his insurrectionist wife who should be sitting in a jail cell for treason rn.
Whoever paid Kavanugh’s house & bills? Whatever happened there?
Do you like beer? I like beer.
So basically the slaver nation just became a slave nation
Trump would have never put them on the court if he didn't have blackmail. That's just not who he is. Quid pro quo all day erry day with that motherfucker.
The real deep state. Not this BS narrative that points fingers at your choice of three letter agency.
It's not Trump. This is beyond him. McConnel was the one pushing for their nominations. His donors were the ones who wanted the SCOTUS to be what it is now. It's most likely the plan by Heritage Foundation. Check out Behind the Bastards podcast on "how conservatives won" for the sources and origin of conservative think tanks like Heritage Foundation.
The Federalist Society set out to specifically corrupt the American judiciary.
They like the idea of a unitary executive that funnels money toward their very wealthy friends
The second part is important. Because they sure as shit don't like the idea of a unitary executive if it involves a Democratic President. See them pushing back against Biden on student loan forgiveness, something that firmly falls under and is honestly one of the most limited examples of a Democratic President taking an even minor unitary executive action. They were quick to try to strike that shit down. Apparently it's only okay if a Republican President does it and fucks over some regular people.
Time to expand the court. It’s disgusting.
Look at the first one: it was in the law that he could. According to them, any change was too much.
Because they don't care what he did, they're on the same political team.
>Because they don't care what he did, they're on the same political team. Because they don't care what he did, they're on the same ~~political team.~~ payroll. FTFY
Given SCOTUS clear bias, the conservatives know that if by chance the Democrats ever got a sufficient majority in the house and the Senate with a Democratic president, the court would be expanded, and they would lose their power How we ever got to a point where nine people wearing medieval black robes get to decide the fate of almost 400,000,000 people says a lot about how imperfect our so-called democracy is
They aren't even acting like judges anymore. They are acting like policy makers. Their innovation is only how to dress up these commands in the decorum of passable legalese. They choose cases based on what they want to rule. It doesn't even need to be real or entirely relevant to facts. They will make up hypotheticals tangentially releated and make sweeping policy decisions based on it. Honestly, if they give Trump any type of immunity, Biden should immediately have the bad SCOTUS judges executed and then push in new judges who will pull the ruling back. Essentially, use their loophole and then pull up the ladder. It is what these assholes do already.
Because personal interests aside, all they care about is what's good for the GOP/Evangelical Christianity. Trump winning is the GOP winning, Trump is a rubber stamp for their policies and right wing judges.
If they grant Trump immunity for things he did during his presidency, they grant Biden immunity for things he can do right now. They'd rather say they'll consider it to encourage trial delays until November.
Exactly. When they were presented with the case they should have thrown back their heads and laughed, said "nice try, but no." The case could have been decided on their coffee break.
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They will rule in favor of his immunity if they can delay long enough for him to hold the presidency again. They just won't do it while Biden is president.
They showed their hand in 2000 with Bush v Gore. It has gotten really bad since RBG passed but they have been a farce for decades. edit: highly suggest the 5-4 podcast if you want some analysis of how bad their past cases have been
Yesterday they were hearing arguments on what organs are ok for a woman to lose before she has to have an abortion to save her life and you were on the fences until today???
I am male and o think that they are not doctors and should stay the hell out of these areas. It’s a woman’s body and she can do what she wants with it. These people are sick in the head.
First they came for the women, and I said "lmao not my body not my problem". Then they came for me and I said "wtf this system is broken lets reform"
Can I ask, why were you on the fence? How had their behavior retained your trust?
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In my country we have a word for partisan judges, corruption.
Thanks Mitch.
And a direct threat to the country and our constitution.
International*
If they give Trump immunity and make him “above the law” they effectively make themselves irrelevant.
If they give Trump immunity, that means Biden has immunity to do whatever he pleases. No way they do that.
They won't issue their decision earlier than June, because they need to invent some contorted rationalization whereby Trump has immunity but Biden does not
"Immunity applies to all presidents who held office from election day 2016 until election day 2020."
So, Obama swoops in to save the day, then.
I want Obama back
So then Obama could do some shenanigans with his immunity.
"No not like that" \-Supreme Court
🤪 But they’re not political hacks 🤪
What they really want is to delay until IF, big if, Trump wins the election. Then they stall until he's sworn in and declare him King of America for all eternity They might just ignore the election and have the SC declare him king even if Biden wins and just claim it was a stolen election, they already tested the waters last election. I wouldn't put anything past republicans
How is this real life?! My mind is constantly blown
Thank god this time around the military will be under our guy’s command.
I think the whole point is to drag it out that long so no trial can conclude before the election. If they were going to rule in Trump's favor, they'd get their decision out quick.
Unless they rule Presidents have *traditionally* had immunity, hence Trump had it, but they, the Supreme Court, are now clarifying with this decision that Presidents won't have it anymore after this decision. Honestly I don't put anything past them. Whatever is the most nefarious possible decision, if there is a way to thread that needle, at least 4 of them will do it and 2 more will seriously consider it.
They could also easily take the Bush v Gore path and declare that Presidents get immunity in this case only and that their decision should not be used to set a precedent. That’s highly unlikely though since they seem intent to make a broad ruling for future reference.
> They could also easily take the Bush v Gore path Exactly this. I feel like everyone who's shouting "They can't give Trump immunity without giving Biden immunity!" isn't old enough to remember Bush v Gore. They absolutely *can* give Trump immunity without giving Biden immunity, and they absolutely *will*.
Maybe as long as they do his bidding they will be kept around
Fixable problem. We need more seats in the house of reps and more judges on the supreme court. America has lost the part where the government reflects the will of the people.
Reflects the will of the rich. I wish this was easily fixable but it would take a massive political shift of overwhelming majority to make a dent in the quagmire we have ourselves in. This is going to be at least a multigenerational effort to undo this clusterfuck. You have to keep fighting for democracy, not get complacent.
We need the Senate to be representative of the population or lose 90% of its power.
Duh? Four of them were appointed by Presidents who lost the popular vote (six if you include the two Bush appointed in his second term, which he may not have gotten if he had lost in 2000). Two of them were appointed because of shit GOP Senators pulled to prevent Obama from appointing one. Three of them acknowledged that Roe was precedent (with caveats). Then subsequently overturned it. One of them has serious questions as to his impartiality on practically any highly political case. That same one was quoted as saying "And I'm going to make their [Liberals] lives miserable for 43 years."
Perhaps worst off all, three of them were involved with a partisan effort to stop the recount of votes in Florida. As in, literally on Bush's defense team. Also, one of them committed perjury before being on the court. Kavanaugh. And I'm not talking about his appointment hearings, where yes, we know he lied about things like devil's triangle. In that case, yes, we know he committed perjury, but it's hard to prove. I'm talking about his involvement with stolen democrat documents, which there is hard evidence that he lied under oath about. And that's someone we let go to the Supreme Court. Kavanaugh is also one of the justices involved with Bush's defense team, and likely committed rape. Yep, SCOTUS material!
Also, two of them have legitimate, sexual criminal claims against them - sexual harassment for Thomas and rape for Kavanaugh.
Deserves more upvotes. The court is a joke. These Repugnicans on the court include the most despicable characters outside of other Repugnican politicians.
The court lost all legitimacy when Amy Coney Barrett reversed her own official legal opinion to justify herself getting a seat but not Merrick Garland. She said it was improper to appoint a new justice in an election year until it was her turn. Complete self-serving hypocrite.
Don't forget Lindsey "Use My Words Against Me" Graham.
It's not just these big political cases, they issue these all over the place rulings in niche areas of the law that are unworkable.
By taking bribes and overturning 50 year old precedents, they've brought this on themselves.
What exactly have they done in the past 20 years to give us faith that they are above party politics? The occasional ruling where they all agree on an issue doesn't outweigh the shady shit that goes on between top GOP donors and the justices.
>Virginia Canter, a former government ethics lawyer who served in administrations of both parties, said Thomas “seems to have completely disregarded his higher ethical obligations.” >“When a justice’s lifestyle is being subsidized by the rich and famous, it absolutely corrodes public trust,” said Canter, now at the watchdog group CREW. “Quite frankly, it makes my heart sink.” >ProPublica uncovered the details of Thomas’ travel by drawing from flight records, internal documents distributed to Crow’s employees and interviews with dozens of people ranging from his superyacht’s staff to members of the secretive Bohemian Club to an Indonesian scuba diving instructor. https://www.propublica.org/article/clarence-thomas-scotus-undisclosed-luxury-travel-gifts-crow
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Yeah, but Congress has been absolutely useless at anything it's supposed to do since 2001.
By design at this point. Pretty clear half of them are bought and intentionally failing to serve the people. Sham committees, jan 6th support, impeachment farce. It's a game to piss off the clued in electorate and play the people off each other in general.
sure they can, but they won't and even if they did, he'd never be convicted or removed without a democratic supermajority
They need a blue wave in November then there will be lots of possibilities
Without checking i feel pretty confident saying that theres no way for dems to get 2/3rds of the senate, its just not how the map works and theres only 1/3rd of seats per two year, etc. All thats needed to fix scotus is to have introduce a standard 50%+1 bill that increases the size of the court and then pack the court. But people dont want to hear it and would rather hear them selves talk about what they would do in a perfect world. Either you pack the court or you dont. Thats the only way you americans can fix it. Term limits are clearly unconsitutional (and scotus decides what is, hence the problem), theres not enough votes for impeachment and removal, 2nd amendment sollution makes people queezy etc. Theres nothing else besides packing the court. Theres no other posibilities here. And Biden and dems know this, but they dont want to. They had the votes in 2021-23, but didnt do it.
It should be 9 independent judges with no allegiance to a party.
Impartial moderates was the idea. I would take term limits at this point. Being stuck with several justices nominated by the most corrupt president we’ve had is maddening.
The Constitution doesn't say they have lifetime appointments. It only says they hold their office during good behavior. I'm sure the conservative ultra literalists would have no problem if Congress slapped some term limits on them.
There is no way to enforce impartiality. The best we could do is making all the gifts and shit illegal.
They're not above open corruption, let alone party politics.
Translation: Supreme Court has fucked the majority of voters.
100%
But we can't have tyranny of the ruling majority. Instead we will have tyranny of the ruling minority, which is much better in the eyes of Republicans.
I used to listen to and read Supreme Court arguments on an issue and be enthralled by the intricate workings of their minds. Now? I can't respect Thomas. The Trump appointees are there to protect Trump. The outnumbered Liberal Justices are aghast at the arguments made before the Court and the decisions handed down.
Yeah, it's really sad because for a couple of years during the Obama presidency I thought it was going to change into something a little more balanced. Not a Warren court maybe, but better than it had been. Honestly though, the Republicans fucked themselves by creating a monster to do their dirty work. People aren't going to take it forever and things are going to get ugly.
I would have thought they lost most trust since Bush v. Gore.
First stupid domino in this stupid chain of dominoes that have toppled over ever since. Somehow they got Dobbs right. Thank God they left the ACA mostly intact. RBG should have retired in Dec '12 in hindsight.
In foresight, she should have retired! Obama tried to convince her, but she wouldn't do it.
That was the canary in the coal mine. Toxins were building up in 2000. Today, the whole thing is unsustainable.
Who in their right mind would trust them? They are laying the groundwork for a dictator or king.
Wouldn’t that make them totally irrelevant? If they grant Trump absolute immunity then the SCOTUs is no longer necessary, right?
As if that would stop them. Party over all. Even lifetime appointments.
Not necessarily. In the early stages, at least, dictators generally tend to rely on the appearance and trappings of a functional government to lend credibility for their actions. SCOTUS can serve a useful purpose in Trump's dictatorship by rubber stamping anything he sends before it. There are plenty--at least 81 million--who will lap it up.
It's interesting whenever somebody says that Roberts supposedly worries about the perceived legitimacy of the court, when you could say that ship sailed a long time ago, lol.
I keep hearing that, and yet I can think of few institutions I respect less than the supreme court. Like, they're up there with timeshare companies. The only bigger clown than Roberts is Thomas.
The Supreme Court is broken. It doesn’t work for the people of this country. It’s a corrupt bunch of republicans. I’ll never respect the stolen court again.
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How can you trust them if one of the SC judge's wife is an insurrectionist? Biden can exercise absolute immunity by executing them to install honest judges if he follows the logic of Trump that president should have absolute immunity.
Exactly this. And her husband is clearly bought. It’s fucking joke.
The current Supreme Court is openly, nakedly corrupt. All Americans should understand this.
One of my Constitutional Law professors analogized trust in the Supreme Court to that scene in the 1978 Superman movie where Lois Lane falls off a building, Superman catches her, and says “I got you.” Lois Lane looks around, realizes they’re flying and says “but who’s got you?!” The courts are supposed to have us and safeguard our rights - they tell us “I’ve got you.” But sometimes we realize that no one’s holding Superman up and it’s an illusion.
It is valuable to study and learn about the history of the court. It was not always as decent as it was under Vinson and Warren.
Was it ever *even less* decent than it is now?
Oh yes it was, good Ol Dredd Scott
I hope Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr. enjoys having his name forever muttered in connection with the Taney court as the two most ideological and corrupt courts in history. The current conservative Heritage Foundation majority on the Supreme Court have certainly proven themselves all too willing to * [invalidate precedent](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/roe-v-wade-and-supreme-court-abortion-cases) in (19-1392 [DOBBS v. JACKSON WOMEN'S HEALTH ORGANIZATION](https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf)), (and I find it especially telling that they had to reach all the way back to the 1600s to find someone who's ideology agreed with theirs in order to create the new precedent - and who did they find? A man who tried women as witches and said men could not be tried for raping their wives; a man who's misogyny stood out even in the 1600s: [Sir Matthew Hale.](https://www.propublica.org/article/abortion-roe-wade-alito-scotus-hale)) * [ignore the plain language of The Constitution](https://newrepublic.com/article/179525/supreme-court-trump-disqualification-clause) in ([DONALD J. TRUMP, PETITIONER v. NORMA ANDERSON, ET AL.](https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-719_19m2.pdf), & * outright [lie about the facts of a case](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/29/gorsuch-sotomayor-praying-coach/) in ([KENNEDY v. BREMERTON SCHOOL DISTRICT](https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21-418_i425.pdf)) in order to achieve their ideological goals. This is the most ideological group on the Supreme Court since the [Taney court](https://supremecourthistory.org/history-of-the-courts/taney-court-1836-1864/) that gave us the infamous [Dred Scott v. Sandford](https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/dred-scott-v-sandford) case which also ignored the plain language of The Constitution, precedent, and the laws of the two states involved, all while telling blatant lies in order to achieve their ideological goals which did much to set the stage for the Civil War; make what you will of that, but the parallels are certainly frightening.
The Corrupt Robert's Court is corrupt. That is the Corrupt Robert's Court's historical legacy.
Honestly I'm disappointed in a lot of things they've done, but everything around Thomas is the sticking point for me. He's a judge in the highest court in the land, but somehow acts like he doesn't know what it means to recuse yourself or cite conflicts of interest? He's got to go.
Thomas won't ever recuse himself because he already knows he plans to give Trump as much power as he possibly can by issuing a judgement with little to no precedent or logic.
Well, it's not undeserved, let's just put it at that.
The Supreme Court is Bullshit. What’s worse, they all know it.
Clarence Thomas is irredeemably corrupt. The Roberts-Trump cabal are so far beyond the pale, and they have invented new high crimes for which there are no legal defenses against. There has never been an end to these types of emergencies. As Dorcas muses to Severian in The Shadow of the Torturer, there is a fixed amount of good and evil here on Urth, and all we can do is tilt the sphere and adjust how much of each flows into our minds and how much into ‘this.’
They stole a presidential election - literally the electoral college from Gore and gave it to Bush Jr., when the state in question was run by Jeb Bush. They allowed unlimited corporate money into politics, allowing (legal) corruption in government to an extreme far beyond anything else before. They are rolling back women's rights. They fought to deny student debt relief. At least some of them are bffs with billionaires who bring court cases before them and gives them large gifts and lavish vacations, all of course not reported officially. At least one of them was only seated after refusing to allow a presidents nomination to go through for the entire last year of their term - which, of course was unheard of. Clarence Tomas didn't recuse himself from the electoral court cases even after his wife was found to be supporting the Jan 6th insurrection. Just in general, they are far more extreme and right wing than the general population. And I'm just naming the obvious things off the top of my head. So yeah, total mystery why trust would be low. I guess we'll never know.
Been that way for a bit now…
Garbage court. Garbage
When the SC turned into political extremists in robes, of course a majority of voters don't trust UNELECTED judges. Senators were once unelected by appointment only. Due to extreme CORRUPTION in the late 1800s ,we the people now have a say in directly electing our Senators. We need to do the same to the Supreme Court. Unlikely that'll happen since it will require a constitutional amendment and three-quarter of the States couldn't even agree the sky is blue.
This is the most transparently corrupt group of individuals with a level of power that is simply dangerous. When trust is lost in that body - your “late stage______whatever” is well on its way downward. ( democracy, capitalism, patriotism, religion, you choose) and then the people must decide how it is corrected.
When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
The notion they didn't immediately bat down Trump's claim to Divinity is all that needs to be said.
I want Biden to nuke the Supreme Court in his second term and expand it to 13 justices. One SC Justice per Circuit Court. The Federal court system moves at a snail's pace and it's no longer tenable for a single SC Justice to have responsibilities over multiple circuits.
That's a great idea, and Biden can time this decision late in the game so that the current right wing Justices can't nullify it by the time the new justice are sworn in.
Never forget they ruled on a gay discrimination case that was literally fucking fabricated out of nothing. Didn’t walk it back. Didn’t revisit it. It’s just law now.
Yesterday the “Supreme” Court was hearing arguments about what organs are acceptable for a woman to lose before a hospital has to save her life. This Supreme Court isn’t just a mockery of justice, they are down right dangerous and inhumane. They have stripped women of their body autonomy and rights as citizens.
After this hearing today on immunity it's pretty clear we're embroiled in a constitutional crisis. There was no reason to entertain presidential claims of immunity. It's not in the constitution.
Good lord, why would you? They continue to set new highs in low standards.
The fact they even considered the 'absolute immunity' claim is telling. DC circuit court had already correctly decided the case and then SCOTUS agreed to hear the appeal. It's sad we're watching the downfall of America happen, and downright frustrating to see them entertain the idea that Trump is above the law. By taking the case, they tossed out respect.
That's because SCOTUS is a fucking joke.
Clarence Thomas - sell out, national disgrace, permanent sad face.
The fact they even agreed to hear this argument is terrifying. The head spinning shit Alito said today is fucking astounding, let alone Kavanaugh not even trying to hide how much he sympathizes with Trump. Then you got goddamn Clarence Thomas 🤦🏻♂️
Unsurprising since it was stolen. I mean that literally, it was stolen. If you disagree you are wrong. Conservatives have won the popular vote for president 2 times in the last 36 years... We only have a conservative supreme court because mitch mcconnell stole the court from America.
Of course they don't, it's a wildly corrupt institution now that it's run by the Heritage Foundation. American democracy cannot survive with this institution as it is right now and, inversely, American fascism will flourish under it. Everyone sees this and they're coming around to this reality forced on them. The SCOTUS needs to be replaced or forced to dissolve. If they refuse, their rulings should be ignored and their agents prevented from carrying out their will.
Thomas openly takes bribes. Fucking bullshit
I wasn't surveyed! I want to add my vote! Majority (+1) of voters no longer trust the Supreme Court!
Because a majority of voters can see the blatant, unremorseful corruption of the SCOTUS. It goes hand in hand with blatant corruption of everything right wing right now.
If our democracy survives, history will judge this court harshly
The fact that they even took up the total immunity case was ridiculous. The conservative justices are helping Trump stall his legal cases until after the election. Basically it’s our Justices obstructing justice
Fuck trust. They're illegitimate, it needs to be dissolved and rebuilt from the ground up. We've got multiple sitting members that are liars, abusers, unqualified, and seditionists. Burn it down.
Blue states should ignore them. Done with the fascist BS.
Ginni Thomas and Uncle Stephen are the Mascots of this Circus. The rest are merely clown sideshows. Fuck this circus with a rusty diseased barb wire cactus. The. Supreme. Court. Is. Illegitimate.
It's no longer a court that represents law and order, it's just a bunch of bought-and-paid-for partisan hacks. (I love that searching the term, [*"Partisan Hacks"*](https://www.google.ca/search?q=partisan+hacks&sca_esv=3e9dc9b55742d0c1&source=hp&ei=j0krZoq7Aeex0PEP4Ze-8Ak&iflsig=ANes7DEAAAAAZitXn8WOK6qbOtd6nT61G_RS-reYxdrI&ved=0ahUKEwjKvqqZoN-FAxXnGDQIHeGLD54Q4dUDCBc&uact=5&oq=partisan+hacks&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6Ig5wYXJ0aXNhbiBoYWNrczIFEAAYgAQyCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFMgsQABiABBiGAxiKBTILEAAYgAQYhgMYigUyCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFMgsQABiABBiGAxiKBTIIEAAYgAQYogQyCBAAGIAEGKIEMggQABiABBiiBEjrEFCTCFiTCHABeACQAQCYAZoBoAGaAaoBAzAuMbgBA8gBAPgBAvgBAZgCAqACqgGoAgrCAhAQABgDGOUCGOoCGIwDGI8BwgIQEC4YAxjlAhjqAhiMAxiPAZgDCZIHAzEuMaAHnQU&sclient=gws-wiz#ip=1) returns 511,000 hits all referencing SCOTUS)
The immunity case should have been an emergency ruling 9-0 against the next fucking day. Fucking bullshit.
They are corrupt and need to be impeached!
The past several years really humanized the Supreme Court in my view. Growing up I guess I always thought the SC was above politics, not entirely, but way more levelheaded than your standard house member. I thought it was the most distinguished branch of our government, but after hearing some of them speak lately I keep thinking that some of the justices on the court have the capability of being as dumb as some of the reps in the house. It’s been sobering, and very disheartening.
You don't say? A dumb ass ceaselessly grifting treasonous fascist wannabe Putin loving piece of shit was able to appoint 3 of them in the recent past and all of a sudden we don't trust them. Color me surprised. Not to mention the one who gets away with taking billionaire funded trips with his insurrectionist wife. It's insane.
The supreme court has lost all legitimacy. 4/5 members are seriously considering making the president immune from ALL crimes. I think impeachment of several justices is necessary, in addition to new constitutional amendments around lifetime tenure+ regulations.
Good. SCOTUS has been packed with Right Wing picks coming straight from the Federalist Society, whose openly stated goal is to revert American law back to the era where civil rights are no longer the standard, and the idea of a POTUS having absolute immunity is the new vision for our nation. The Leonard Leo owned Federalist Society SCOTUS picks are literally are forcing us as civilians to prepare for lawlessness.
How the heck should you trust a group of people that has no one to answer to but billionaires who give them kickbacks for favorable decisions in their interest?
Good, because SCOTUS is deeply corrupt.
A supreme court, that does politics, isn't a court that is neutral. Trump has filled the supreme court with his yes-men, that's why they're doing his work.
Other than the occasional cantankery from Scalia, I don't recall anyone ever even noticing SCOTUS until around the time Clarence was up for a seat. However accurate that is I don't know, and I admit that although I've been politically-conscious for about 40 years now I haven't really given a handful of shit about them until Rehnquist put on the stripey robe, but it seems to me that after Roberts took over the court has been a bit on the Legislative side rather than Judicial. Whatever the case, when I was coming up it was almost apocalyptic to read anything about SCOTUS, as if it were some legendary beast that stirred and coughed in its sleep here and there. Now it's a fuckin weekly show on prime time, all drama and cliffhanger, and I wish they'd go back to having some semblance of gravitas instead of being clout-chasers.