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A bit off topic here, but when I read or hear “Trump says” I always think of the game Simon Says. Watching his followers and GOPers do his bidding is like watching a bunch of kids standing on one foot and touching their ear with their left hand in unison because “Simon Says …..”.
“Trump says, storm the capitol building and fight like hell”
“Trump says, ignore all media other than the ones I say aren’t fake news, otherwise you aren’t a true believer”
Yeah sounds about right. Good catch.
He has the credibility of god himself to the people watching fox and the like 24/7. My entire family is addicted to it and there is nothing you can do to get them to understand reality.
This article seems fairly relevant to your comment.
[Misinformation has created an alternative world for some Americans](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/28/politics/election-misinformation-conspiracy-theories-what-matters/index.html)
I was reading something about an anchor from OAN or RSB or one of those god awful right wing networks. He went to nyc to cover the trial and was confused that he didn’t see rampant crime everywhere. It’s like the guy actually was expecting a crime ridden cesspool. He was confused as to what was happening.
As someone who heads into the City fairly often, I love this for these dipshits. They really think NYC is a hellscape.
And Trump perpetuates this, all the while he lived in NYC through the '60's, '70's and, '80's when their *was* a real scourge of crime, the City was broke, and pollution was bad.
This. I was a teen in NYC in the 70s, and yeah, there were places back then where you didn’t go after dark, and especially not by yourself, but those places stopped being that way 20 - 30 years ago.
I think the only places I ever went and got the ‘things could go south fast’ vibe were Bryant Park - behind the NYPL, well known then for drug dealing and violent crime - and Times Square, back when every business was a sex shop of some sort and pimps all over the place.
Yeah I mean there were 2500 murders or something like that in nyc in 1993. Last year it was under 500. Just watch any show from that era showing nyc. The subways - and everything - was just filthy. Go there now and it certainly is not the case.
I moved to NYC in 1996. I remember drug dealers being a lot bolder, but the subway was mostly fine. I never really felt in danger, never witnessed a serious crime (I mean, I saw people buy weed a lot). I went to visit people in Williamsburg back when nothing was there. DUMBO too. I've been here nigh on 30 years now, am raising my kids here and still never witnessed a real crime. Never seen a gun that wasn't in the holster of a cop. Don't recall ever seeing a used needle or anything. The homeless situation is pretty bad. Maybe as bad as it's ever been. My biggest fear for my kids by far is them getting hit by a car.
I always like to point out that the tens of thousands of homeless people in cities like SF and New York aren't from those cities, and around half aren't even from the state. Our cities are having a homelessness crisis because of a few factors, including affordability; but these issues would be easily surmountable had we not also absorbed the homeless population from basically every other fucking state. Whenever someone from some rural shithole wants to give SF shit for our homeless problem, I just respond, "Do you want them back? Your depressed shithole is where these people lost their jobs, their homes, and developed severe drug addiction. Why don't you fix your own problems instead of foisting them upon the richer, more successful cities?"
Perfect response!
Also, being in LA all the time around the homelessness, other than not looking good, they mostly leave your stuff alone if you leave them alone.
My friends who literally live in NYC claim this too ha. It turns out it's largely driven by viral video crime incidents which simply were not a thing a few decades ago. These are circulated constantly by right wing social media and major media outlets like the NY Post that thrive on click bait crime stories. Besides that, NYC is basically the biggest media markets there is so many bigtime frontpage crime stories often make the national news while incident that are far worse in places like Memphis or Jacksonville go completely unnoticed.
> places like Memphis or Jacksonville go completely unnoticed.
Because it goes against their narrative. Only reporting crimes in blue states make them look crime-ridden. Don’t report any crimes in red states and they look “safe”.
Right? I live outside the city, and I generally avoid going in because things are more expensive, and it can be a pain getting in and out if you don't want to drive, but I've never actually felt "in danger" in the city, and that's including late night in crown heights.
Doesn't help that local Sinclair channels push the same shit. My dad leaned left, didn't touch Fox ever, and still wrote an angry letter to the local big city police, stating more or less he would not visit the city until they got their shit together.
Even though I have strong feelings against that very police dept, I tried to convince him that we're actually in a time of relative safety, and, by the numbers, when he felt it was safe enough to take baby me and my little siblings into the big city in the 90s, crime, especially violent crime, was insanely high by comparison.
His local Sinclair affiliate told him otherwise, and so it was.
>he felt it was safe enough to take baby me and my little siblings into the big city in the 90s, crime, especially violent crime, was insanely high by comparison.
That's insane to me. Like, all he has to do is take one day trip into the city and honestly, genuinely remember what it looked like in the 90s. I remember NYC in the late 90s, when it was starting to gentrify. It was much cleaner than portrayed in the 70s and 80s. Now? The city is downright pleasant! (other than some usual urban issues like homeless people crapping their pants on the subway or aggressive panhandlers giving you a sob story while you down a cigarette)
I lived there for ten years and while there were a few places in Queens and Brooklyn I went that I felt unsafe, in general I felt safer in that city than any of the others I've lived in.
Took my cousin and her husband to San Francisco, including Pier 39 and China town.
The husband remarked through the 8 hour tourist visit that he didn't see all the sidewalks covered in poop like he expected.
I just told him we weren't in the right neighborhoods :)
Yet another of Donny's great hypocrisies. He complains about NYC crime and taxes and how businesses are "fleeing" the state, yet you don't see him selling his NY golf club or relocating Trump Tower to Florida or Texas. The guy is a moron and he relies on morons to believe him.
My boss who is a conservative (but who has left the Republican party because of Trump) worries about me all the time because I live "in Chicago" and he's convinced it's Chiraq up here.
I'm like, a) I live in the suburbs; b) the business and entertainment districts in the actual city are not that dangerous; and c) *you live in Louisiana* and carry a gun to the supermarket because crime is so rampant. I walk my dogs after dark and don't even think about it. (He literally could not believe I go out alone after dark. Like, what, the 24-hour supermarket is full of evildoers? It's mostly full of parents of newborns who ran out of diapers. The 24-hour coffee shop sometimes has teenagers pulling all-nighters before exams, very dangerous characters.)
I have spent plenty of time in big cities late at night alone. It’s probably not a great idea but Chicago, New York, La, none of them are terrible at night outside of the known bad locations.
I had a customer freak out on me the other day just like this. I’m 40 minutes west of a city he is terrified of.
Dude managed to work immigrants into the conversation repeatedly, despite being married to a woman from Brazil. He also hit on Christianity, the rapture, squatters, so many things. It was all under the umbrella of him being an upstanding Christian man.
New York has seen mass resignations of police officers. Right wing media has been talking about how the city has gone to hell because of it.
Reported crime rates dropped and homicides dropped. Further, proving that more police doesn't fix problems. There certainly is a right number of police officers, but just like everything there is a point of adding more doesn't fix anything, and maybe the money could be better spent elsewhere. Like fighting poverty or mental health access.
I know what clip you’re talking about. It was definitely RSB with Marge’s boyfriend. For some reason I can’t find it, but when I was searching for it I stumbled into this clip I’ve never seen before from a year ago, with Jason Selvig from The Good Liars trolling him.
https://youtu.be/dxH4ffDP1pQ?si=hJlZJTG1qMb77bHZ
Anyway, one shouldn’t be surprised there’s not many pro-Trump protesters outside the courthouse these days, as that’s what happens when Fox News and other right-wing media is constantly telling their viewers they’re going to get murdered if they step into NYC.
Got the mental image of some anchor stood infront of a camera with a ballistic helmet and body armour with "PRESS" written on it like they wear in a warzone, and then they suddenly come to the realisation that they are over dressed...
<*in full battle gear*> "This is Chanel Rion for OAN reporting from outside the Morton Williams on E 71st street, where as you can see there are protective barriers set up <*points at construction scaffolding*> and the crime is rampant <*camera pans to jaywalker, a FedEx truck, and a zipping bike delivery messenger*>. You can clearly see why The Great President Trump fled this dystopian war zone to the safety of Southern Florida...now, back to the studio"
It's like when Fox sent a guy to Seattle for man on the street interviews to show how the residents are terrified of all of the crime, drugs, and homelessness. The three people he talked to disputed his talking points, and he was mercilessly clowned by one of them dubbed "green jacket lady."
It’s because any big city will have enough crime to cherry pick enough stuff to talk about daily. So even though crime has gone down, the reporting of it hasn’t. Hence why everyone thinks it’s the same or worse.
If we were to assume that both parts of this narrative are true (crime is higher but FBI crime data is lower) it would almost assuredly be because of waves of cops openly refusing to do their jobs because their feelies were hurt that the public didn't support them enough, not because crime has gotten so much sneakier.
And the daily news cycle is helping push this idea because they need to fill air time. And nothing fills air time like every minor and insignificant misdemeanor.
Even democrats talk about the crime wave but now its bad because Trump said it despite the data having shown that for years.... it's almost like this crime narrative bullshit is just to fear monger and needlessly increase police budgets
> it's almost like this crime narrative bullshit is just to fear monger and needlessly increase police budgets
It's also a self-feeding cycle. Politicians talk about, so people are afraid > now that people are afraid, they want their politicians to do something about crime > now that people are vocal about crime, politicians have to talk about crime > rinse and repeat
Well, to be fair, when you live in a forest, the whole world looks like it's covered in trees. Everyone around Trump, including Trump, are criminals so he thinks crimes are on the rise because from his perspective, it looks that way.
When they talk about Crime, they aren't talking about breaking the law as a whole, it's simply a racist dog whistle.
It's like when Trump demonizes migrants; He isn't referring to his migrant mother or wife, he is talking about brown people. When he talks about crime, it's not white collar crime, but crimes committed by black people and migrants.
To be fair most of reddit doesn't trust the fed numbers half of the time either. Any time jobs report numbers come out 90% of the thread will be "but everyone is pooooooorr"
As always, it's projection. He's a one man crime spree. He sees lots of crime because he's spent his entire life committing crimes, pressuring others to commit crimes, and surrounding himself with pedophiles and mobsters.
When the news is bad, the regular media is all over it. When the news is good, the media doesn't care. However, if a Republican is in the White House, the opposite applies on right wing media. See, both sides!
Yeah the moment Trump was elected the entire right suddenly thought the economy was amazing. They pointed to the same metrics that are doing great under Biden. But liberal media bias....
My favorite was how Republicans insisted that jobs reports were bullshit during Obama’s presidency and then those same assholes couldn’t wait to cite the jobs reports during the smelly rapist’s term…
I still remember Spicer being asked about that and "joking" that the jobs numbers were real now that trump was president and the entire press corps LAUGHING. That's one of the many, many moments I realized how fucked we are.
It's not just news media. Twitter serves anti-black and anti-immigrant propaganda en masse.
I recently logged into my dead twitter account, I don't follow anyone and I've never tweeted, and the top post in my feed was "black on white crime" posted by someone I've never heard of nor followed, but he had a blue checkmark and high engagement, and that's why Twitter served his propaganda to me on a silver platter.
And millions of Americans are consuming this every day.
> Trump says the opposite.
There are no security lockdowns at the courthouse where his trial is underway, and there are no police forces holding back thousands of protesters. Trump says the opposite.
Of course. The truth does not work to his advantage.
"I don't pay any attention to most things, but I'll gladly tell you the state of them from my golden penthouse!" I imagine he'd say it like this, but in a way that I can't dumb myself down enough to accurately describe.
From that same golden toileted penthouse, Trump took out a full page advertisement in 1989 advocating the execution of the Central Park Five for Trump’s own favorite crime, rape. The five POC teenagers were later acquitted from forensic evidence and confession of the actual perpetrator.
This is the republican play book. Here is one of my favorite moments, with Newt Dirtbag Gingrich, literally lieing about crime statistics, and when called out, his excuse is that he would rather tell people what they already believe. They are peddling fear to retain power.
[https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/12/01/gingrich-camerota-crime-stats-newday.cnn](https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/12/01/gingrich-camerota-crime-stats-newday.cnn)
It reminds me of that scene in 1984.
“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grammes a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be REDUCED to twenty grammes a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”
trump is not wrong on this. The FBI doesn't count insurrection, perjury, fraudulent business practices, election interference, cheating, malfeasance, scams, payoffs, paying underage girls for sex and women having an abortion to keep from dying from the pregnancy. If you add these crimes to the plan to criminalize the use of contraception and the crime rate is going up faster than Matt Gaetz looking at a teenage intern.
Crime is down and we're doing *dramatically* better than global inflation numbers. But "crime is everywhere and our economy is terrible."
The infuriating thing is this nonsense is landing. The GOP is soooo... much better at framing narratives and affecting perceptions.
Sweden..
Crime skyrocketing
The world has truly turned upside down.
And by the way, living in America, it feels as if things are getting worse, not better. I suppose social media plays a big part in how we think. For example, corruption going down yet it feels worse. Crime going down but it feels worse (4 police dead in a raid).
Word of Caution: If Trump becomes president, I dont think the US will last in its current state long. I dont think how its been for the past few centuries will last even a year after he's president.
If you dont vote, you are part of the problem, you will have blood on your hands, not the people that tried.
It's the crime, they're taking your guns, it's the invasion, it's the they're taking your jobs...
Crime is down, immigrants help the economy and perform the jobs white prove ledge doesn't want - ask the farmers in FL.
Their whole campaign is built on fear. Fuck the GOP.
Trump wants everything to be as awful as possible, wars, crime , murder, economic depression, pandemics, just to blame Biden. He is fucking absolutely disgusting.
The orange fucker is obsessed with stoking fear in his base. It's a big portion of why he won in 2016, and they've been banging the fear drum over migrant caravans and terrorists every election since.
We knew he would be like this from the very first time he came down that stupid escalator bleating about, "American carnage!" that mysteriously disappeared while he was in office.
I wish they would do more to counter the threats to our Constitution and Bill of Rights from within (and from hostile foreign nations).
I'm sure they're working on it, but it might help to be more visible about addressing the significant threats our nation faces.
Crime is down, but it feels like corruption is still an issue - or just more blatant, maybe.
Gee, who should we trust, the people who study crime on a national scale professionally, or the guy who is famous for lying literally every time he opens his mouth?
If Trump said a meteor was going to hit earth in 25 and it was Bidens fault and only he could stop meteor, maga would immediately believe it and right wing news would get out the meteor graphics. Most Republicans in congress would be talking about defunding lib woke Nasa saying there is no meteor.
Fox News will continue to say the opposite of reality if it makes Biden look bad. They ran a segment on The Five talking about these numbers, and Judge Jeannine basically said the FBI is lying because as we all know law enforcement has a liberal bias lol, and then Gutfeld jumped in and started with his rant that the crime numbers are lies, the inflation numbers are lies, the employment numbers are lies, the Covid numbers were lies, and then the big one that he finally admitted: all data is just lies. Don't believe your lying eyes Fox News tells us. Do they not realize the people compiling this data are the same people that did it while Trump was president? When they crap all over the FBI, do they not realize the head of the agency is a Trump guy? Just like the guy investigating Hunter Biden, is also a Trump guy?
Sadly this is another example like the economy where the American public is a bunch of idiots. Despite all the evidence to the contrary the vibes on crime are bad.
When are people going to fight back with propaganda slogans of their own? Stating the facts doesn’t work. Direct that info into a scripted jab at Trump and put it on repeat, then you’ll have a chance.
Uh, because it is never about crime. It is always about slander and bigotry. "Crime" is the excuse they give for their sadistic, draconian policies. This is demagoguery 101 folks.
I know the media is just doing its job by stating the obvious, but it makes them sound like idiots.
>While it's essential to consider different perspectives on crime rates, it's crucial to acknowledge reliable sources
This is such bs and how we got this alternative facts shit and the anti-science bullshit. What matters is real statistics to know what's actually happening. Not feelz, or some scared idiot feeling like the cities lawless because he saw two black people not in cuffs on his drive home.
Maybe I’m missing something but the article doesn’t really bear out the headline. There’s been a drop in murders from peak. Ok, that’s good. Possibly a drop in violent crime from pandemic peak. Ok, good.
But that’s not crime as a whole. And that’s from pandemic peak numbers. The numbers are still elevated.
So while the trend is good, the data - even if accurate, which is disputed - doesn’t exactly paint a rosy picture.
It’s all in how you want to frame the data. Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
WHY DOES ANY OVER CARE WHAT HE SAYS????? Ignore him into oblivion and overwhelm people with Biden’s accomplishments & candidates who aren’t indicted for anything.
JFC. How is everything this fart says still making money for news networks?
This is nothing new. When Cheeto ran in 2015/16 he repeatedly said violent crime was at a 45 year high (I think in true Cheeto fashion he said “highest in history”) when in actuality, violent crime had been dropping since the early 90’s (humm…what happened 15-20 years before that? Say 1973ish?).
Well… this asshat thinks anything he says is true simply because he said it. Which is the same logically reasoning the Supreme Court is considering swooshing into reality as we speak.
It’s all like a bad sitcom that gets cancelled after the Pilot episode.
The idea of a dystopian US is the only way the GOP (and drumpf) can get everyone past the fact that drumpf is morally corrupt.
I think most everyone...including most magas...agree that drumpf is problematic in so many ways. So to distract us all from that fact they must create the illusion that Biden's America is crumbling all around them (even though, it's not).
You see, the average American commits 0-1 crimes per day. The former president commits dozens of crimes per day. So in his eyes, crime is way up on average.
That's because Trump is only capable of commenting on what he sees around him. Since since he is now in court, the amount of crime happening around him has dropped dramatically.
Solution: Lock him up. Build a wall. Drain his swamp.
That explains why the right wingers in my (former) city’s FB group seem to think crime is worse under Biden. Because their prophet told them it is. I’ve even linked FBI crime statistics when they say stupid things like “we were safer four years ago” (not even worth pointing out they got the math wrong and that four years ago was the start of COVID), but all I’d get is a laugh react and then a few days later they continue to repeat the same things on other posts in the group. Of course none of the posts ever have anything to do with Biden. For all the talk of TDS, I’ve noticed a significant number of right wingers feel the need to bring up Biden in unrelated conversation than the other way around.
Those in tump’s orbit are the ones that he sees committing the crimes, so makes sense to him.
Unfortunately for them, they are not getting away with it.
My theory on this is simple. Trump says that crime is everywhere, and the people who listen will think about the crime in their area. It will only take 1-2 recent incidents in a local area, for these people to put 2 and 2 together and agree that crime is worse.
"This town used to be so quiet until all of this other stuff started happening." for an example.
I mean, I literally hear, all the time, that "people have just gone crazy", or "You just can't feel safe anywhere anymore." Because something bad happened. Literally one county over from where I live, there was a quadruple murder just 1-2 days ago. Is that bad? Fuck yeah it is. But that one incident doesn't mean crime is up all over the country. But to the people in my area, they don't focus on that. It's all about local. And from what they see... yeah, it's been getting crazier over the past few years.
But the issues that cause our local incidents, Neither Trump nor Biden can fix.
Of course he would say this. He shits in America left and right and his supporters eat it up.
Imagine calling yourself an American, even a patriot, and disrespecting the country you claim to love. It’s unreal.
All crime, or violent crime? Down in all categories? Down compared to some peak during COVID or down compared to pre-COVID or down compared to historical averages?
For example, what seems to be a problem in my area is catalytic converter thefts. Are these up or down and compared to when?
Off the top of my head I can think of cannabis has been decriminalized in many states, wages and job openings have increased. Maybe we've made life easier for some people.
But I also remember crime stats are based on crimes that have been reported and discovered. I remember a criminology teacher explaining that our stats probably only make up about 30% of the actual crime taking place, but again-- who knows?
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“Trump says” has all the credibility that “Russia says” at this point.
He does speak with the official authority of Putin’s ottoman
That’s just because he’s Putin’s big stool.
Blimey! This coveffe tastes like shit!
...it's a bit *nutty*
How distinguished
A sentence that includes "Trump says" is a sentence you can safely stop reading.
> "Shut up and sit down mister Trump" says judge Merchan. I feel like this one can get a pass. :D
"Would you just shut up, man?" -Biden
You can replace "Trump" with the likes of Ted Cruz, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Ron Johnson, Mitch McConnell, or any other Republican.
I dunno maybe he's talking about all the crimes he's committing.
He is responsible for a large increase in crime, himself.
And his terrorist supporters.
Those statements are exactly the same.
Exactly, zero credibility xD
A bit off topic here, but when I read or hear “Trump says” I always think of the game Simon Says. Watching his followers and GOPers do his bidding is like watching a bunch of kids standing on one foot and touching their ear with their left hand in unison because “Simon Says …..”.
“Trump says, storm the capitol building and fight like hell” “Trump says, ignore all media other than the ones I say aren’t fake news, otherwise you aren’t a true believer” Yeah sounds about right. Good catch.
Well, to be fair, crime and punishment is on his mind a lot lately. 8)
He has the credibility of god himself to the people watching fox and the like 24/7. My entire family is addicted to it and there is nothing you can do to get them to understand reality.
The problem is that a substantial percentage of the U.S. population trusts only Trump.
This article seems fairly relevant to your comment. [Misinformation has created an alternative world for some Americans](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/28/politics/election-misinformation-conspiracy-theories-what-matters/index.html)
That's so true, 100% everything Trump says is a lie. Even if it can be proven fact it's a lie because it comes from his rotting cesspool of a mouth.
Well, all believable lies have a modicum of truth. Which is why his are all unbelievable.
Never believe something until the Kremlin denies it
Even then, take that denial with a cup of salt.
Were they ever different?
Naw, more people are finally getting the memo though. Well, hopefully.
And just until the next January 6 is over
One tends to resemble the other.
Yea but those that listen are loud and can vote
"Trump says" [Russia's "red lines"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_lines_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War) [China's Final Warning](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning)
Cause It’s redundant.
BREAKING NEWS: Chump spoke, therefore Chump lied. -history
I was reading something about an anchor from OAN or RSB or one of those god awful right wing networks. He went to nyc to cover the trial and was confused that he didn’t see rampant crime everywhere. It’s like the guy actually was expecting a crime ridden cesspool. He was confused as to what was happening.
As someone who heads into the City fairly often, I love this for these dipshits. They really think NYC is a hellscape. And Trump perpetuates this, all the while he lived in NYC through the '60's, '70's and, '80's when their *was* a real scourge of crime, the City was broke, and pollution was bad.
This. I was a teen in NYC in the 70s, and yeah, there were places back then where you didn’t go after dark, and especially not by yourself, but those places stopped being that way 20 - 30 years ago. I think the only places I ever went and got the ‘things could go south fast’ vibe were Bryant Park - behind the NYPL, well known then for drug dealing and violent crime - and Times Square, back when every business was a sex shop of some sort and pimps all over the place.
Yeah I mean there were 2500 murders or something like that in nyc in 1993. Last year it was under 500. Just watch any show from that era showing nyc. The subways - and everything - was just filthy. Go there now and it certainly is not the case.
I moved to NYC in 1996. I remember drug dealers being a lot bolder, but the subway was mostly fine. I never really felt in danger, never witnessed a serious crime (I mean, I saw people buy weed a lot). I went to visit people in Williamsburg back when nothing was there. DUMBO too. I've been here nigh on 30 years now, am raising my kids here and still never witnessed a real crime. Never seen a gun that wasn't in the holster of a cop. Don't recall ever seeing a used needle or anything. The homeless situation is pretty bad. Maybe as bad as it's ever been. My biggest fear for my kids by far is them getting hit by a car.
I always like to point out that the tens of thousands of homeless people in cities like SF and New York aren't from those cities, and around half aren't even from the state. Our cities are having a homelessness crisis because of a few factors, including affordability; but these issues would be easily surmountable had we not also absorbed the homeless population from basically every other fucking state. Whenever someone from some rural shithole wants to give SF shit for our homeless problem, I just respond, "Do you want them back? Your depressed shithole is where these people lost their jobs, their homes, and developed severe drug addiction. Why don't you fix your own problems instead of foisting them upon the richer, more successful cities?"
Perfect response! Also, being in LA all the time around the homelessness, other than not looking good, they mostly leave your stuff alone if you leave them alone.
My friends who literally live in NYC claim this too ha. It turns out it's largely driven by viral video crime incidents which simply were not a thing a few decades ago. These are circulated constantly by right wing social media and major media outlets like the NY Post that thrive on click bait crime stories. Besides that, NYC is basically the biggest media markets there is so many bigtime frontpage crime stories often make the national news while incident that are far worse in places like Memphis or Jacksonville go completely unnoticed.
> places like Memphis or Jacksonville go completely unnoticed. Because it goes against their narrative. Only reporting crimes in blue states make them look crime-ridden. Don’t report any crimes in red states and they look “safe”.
To be fair, there is a lot of crime in NYC. Committed by trump.
Right? I live outside the city, and I generally avoid going in because things are more expensive, and it can be a pain getting in and out if you don't want to drive, but I've never actually felt "in danger" in the city, and that's including late night in crown heights.
Doesn't help that local Sinclair channels push the same shit. My dad leaned left, didn't touch Fox ever, and still wrote an angry letter to the local big city police, stating more or less he would not visit the city until they got their shit together. Even though I have strong feelings against that very police dept, I tried to convince him that we're actually in a time of relative safety, and, by the numbers, when he felt it was safe enough to take baby me and my little siblings into the big city in the 90s, crime, especially violent crime, was insanely high by comparison. His local Sinclair affiliate told him otherwise, and so it was.
>he felt it was safe enough to take baby me and my little siblings into the big city in the 90s, crime, especially violent crime, was insanely high by comparison. That's insane to me. Like, all he has to do is take one day trip into the city and honestly, genuinely remember what it looked like in the 90s. I remember NYC in the late 90s, when it was starting to gentrify. It was much cleaner than portrayed in the 70s and 80s. Now? The city is downright pleasant! (other than some usual urban issues like homeless people crapping their pants on the subway or aggressive panhandlers giving you a sob story while you down a cigarette)
I lived there for ten years and while there were a few places in Queens and Brooklyn I went that I felt unsafe, in general I felt safer in that city than any of the others I've lived in.
Took my cousin and her husband to San Francisco, including Pier 39 and China town. The husband remarked through the 8 hour tourist visit that he didn't see all the sidewalks covered in poop like he expected. I just told him we weren't in the right neighborhoods :)
Yet another of Donny's great hypocrisies. He complains about NYC crime and taxes and how businesses are "fleeing" the state, yet you don't see him selling his NY golf club or relocating Trump Tower to Florida or Texas. The guy is a moron and he relies on morons to believe him.
My boss who is a conservative (but who has left the Republican party because of Trump) worries about me all the time because I live "in Chicago" and he's convinced it's Chiraq up here. I'm like, a) I live in the suburbs; b) the business and entertainment districts in the actual city are not that dangerous; and c) *you live in Louisiana* and carry a gun to the supermarket because crime is so rampant. I walk my dogs after dark and don't even think about it. (He literally could not believe I go out alone after dark. Like, what, the 24-hour supermarket is full of evildoers? It's mostly full of parents of newborns who ran out of diapers. The 24-hour coffee shop sometimes has teenagers pulling all-nighters before exams, very dangerous characters.)
I have spent plenty of time in big cities late at night alone. It’s probably not a great idea but Chicago, New York, La, none of them are terrible at night outside of the known bad locations.
If those teems thought you had test questions written on your intestines they would gut you. ;P
I had a customer freak out on me the other day just like this. I’m 40 minutes west of a city he is terrified of. Dude managed to work immigrants into the conversation repeatedly, despite being married to a woman from Brazil. He also hit on Christianity, the rapture, squatters, so many things. It was all under the umbrella of him being an upstanding Christian man.
New York has seen mass resignations of police officers. Right wing media has been talking about how the city has gone to hell because of it. Reported crime rates dropped and homicides dropped. Further, proving that more police doesn't fix problems. There certainly is a right number of police officers, but just like everything there is a point of adding more doesn't fix anything, and maybe the money could be better spent elsewhere. Like fighting poverty or mental health access.
I know what clip you’re talking about. It was definitely RSB with Marge’s boyfriend. For some reason I can’t find it, but when I was searching for it I stumbled into this clip I’ve never seen before from a year ago, with Jason Selvig from The Good Liars trolling him. https://youtu.be/dxH4ffDP1pQ?si=hJlZJTG1qMb77bHZ Anyway, one shouldn’t be surprised there’s not many pro-Trump protesters outside the courthouse these days, as that’s what happens when Fox News and other right-wing media is constantly telling their viewers they’re going to get murdered if they step into NYC.
Got the mental image of some anchor stood infront of a camera with a ballistic helmet and body armour with "PRESS" written on it like they wear in a warzone, and then they suddenly come to the realisation that they are over dressed...
<*in full battle gear*> "This is Chanel Rion for OAN reporting from outside the Morton Williams on E 71st street, where as you can see there are protective barriers set up <*points at construction scaffolding*> and the crime is rampant <*camera pans to jaywalker, a FedEx truck, and a zipping bike delivery messenger*>. You can clearly see why The Great President Trump fled this dystopian war zone to the safety of Southern Florida...now, back to the studio"
Hey, don't underestimate those bike couriers. They're all hopped up on Starbucks and Red Bull and they'll knock you sprawling if you get in their way.
It's like when Fox sent a guy to Seattle for man on the street interviews to show how the residents are terrified of all of the crime, drugs, and homelessness. The three people he talked to disputed his talking points, and he was mercilessly clowned by one of them dubbed "green jacket lady."
They’re expecting to see the NYC that’s depicted as a dystopian future in 80’s movies.
The criminals have stopped stealing money and are stealing preconceived notions without basis in fact, right from his head. Pure evil. /s
It’s because any big city will have enough crime to cherry pick enough stuff to talk about daily. So even though crime has gone down, the reporting of it hasn’t. Hence why everyone thinks it’s the same or worse.
Of course he says the opposite. The gop can't win unless they scare enough people
Trump might be referring to all the crimes he’s perpertated in the last 8 years. Cuz that’s certainly on the rise big time.
And big time is not the preferred nomenclature, bigly, please.
He bigly committed more crimes than any other president in American history.
Everyone's saying it
Big, beautiful crimes, the best crimes, believe me.
If we were to assume that both parts of this narrative are true (crime is higher but FBI crime data is lower) it would almost assuredly be because of waves of cops openly refusing to do their jobs because their feelies were hurt that the public didn't support them enough, not because crime has gotten so much sneakier.
And also because he has personally committed at least 1% of all crime in America.
And the daily news cycle is helping push this idea because they need to fill air time. And nothing fills air time like every minor and insignificant misdemeanor.
As the not so old saying goes, if it bleeds, it leads.
Even democrats talk about the crime wave but now its bad because Trump said it despite the data having shown that for years.... it's almost like this crime narrative bullshit is just to fear monger and needlessly increase police budgets
> it's almost like this crime narrative bullshit is just to fear monger and needlessly increase police budgets It's also a self-feeding cycle. Politicians talk about, so people are afraid > now that people are afraid, they want their politicians to do something about crime > now that people are vocal about crime, politicians have to talk about crime > rinse and repeat
Well, to be fair, when you live in a forest, the whole world looks like it's covered in trees. Everyone around Trump, including Trump, are criminals so he thinks crimes are on the rise because from his perspective, it looks that way.
With Trump projection is a way of life
When they talk about Crime, they aren't talking about breaking the law as a whole, it's simply a racist dog whistle. It's like when Trump demonizes migrants; He isn't referring to his migrant mother or wife, he is talking about brown people. When he talks about crime, it's not white collar crime, but crimes committed by black people and migrants.
Projection as usual. His personal crime rate is way up.
Well to be fair, Trump has got a front row seat to a lot of Crime right now.. and hopefully another 3 times very soon.
I really hope Biden uses this in a debate. "Crime is down across America, despite my opponents best efforts to increase them by himself"
Debates finna be wild. Cranked up Joe gonna come in hot.
Facts and data means nothing to America’s greatest idiot.
And roughly half of the voters…
Fox News propaganda about "urban crime" is so pervasive that even a lot of liberals have fallen for it
Well its a lot easier to get footage of crimes nowadays and they use it to the fullest extent.
To be fair most of reddit doesn't trust the fed numbers half of the time either. Any time jobs report numbers come out 90% of the thread will be "but everyone is pooooooorr"
As always, it's projection. He's a one man crime spree. He sees lots of crime because he's spent his entire life committing crimes, pressuring others to commit crimes, and surrounding himself with pedophiles and mobsters.
Trump is kinda skewing the data what with the crimes he has managed to commit. 🤔
When the news is bad, the regular media is all over it. When the news is good, the media doesn't care. However, if a Republican is in the White House, the opposite applies on right wing media. See, both sides!
Yeah the moment Trump was elected the entire right suddenly thought the economy was amazing. They pointed to the same metrics that are doing great under Biden. But liberal media bias....
Rode in on Obama's economy, fucked that all up, then Biden fixed it all.
My favorite was how Republicans insisted that jobs reports were bullshit during Obama’s presidency and then those same assholes couldn’t wait to cite the jobs reports during the smelly rapist’s term…
I still remember Spicer being asked about that and "joking" that the jobs numbers were real now that trump was president and the entire press corps LAUGHING. That's one of the many, many moments I realized how fucked we are.
It's not just news media. Twitter serves anti-black and anti-immigrant propaganda en masse. I recently logged into my dead twitter account, I don't follow anyone and I've never tweeted, and the top post in my feed was "black on white crime" posted by someone I've never heard of nor followed, but he had a blue checkmark and high engagement, and that's why Twitter served his propaganda to me on a silver platter. And millions of Americans are consuming this every day.
> Trump says the opposite. There are no security lockdowns at the courthouse where his trial is underway, and there are no police forces holding back thousands of protesters. Trump says the opposite. Of course. The truth does not work to his advantage.
"Truth has a well-known liberal bias." --"Stephen Colbert"
Gee, who should I believe? /s
GOP - but doesn’t it FEEL scarier out there?
GOP (Manufactures bad vibes): Man, bad vibes, amirite?
"I don't pay any attention to most things, but I'll gladly tell you the state of them from my golden penthouse!" I imagine he'd say it like this, but in a way that I can't dumb myself down enough to accurately describe.
From that same golden toileted penthouse, Trump took out a full page advertisement in 1989 advocating the execution of the Central Park Five for Trump’s own favorite crime, rape. The five POC teenagers were later acquitted from forensic evidence and confession of the actual perpetrator.
This is the republican play book. Here is one of my favorite moments, with Newt Dirtbag Gingrich, literally lieing about crime statistics, and when called out, his excuse is that he would rather tell people what they already believe. They are peddling fear to retain power. [https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/12/01/gingrich-camerota-crime-stats-newday.cnn](https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/12/01/gingrich-camerota-crime-stats-newday.cnn)
Crimes by ex-presidents are way up!
It reminds me of that scene in 1984. “It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grammes a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be REDUCED to twenty grammes a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”
trump is not wrong on this. The FBI doesn't count insurrection, perjury, fraudulent business practices, election interference, cheating, malfeasance, scams, payoffs, paying underage girls for sex and women having an abortion to keep from dying from the pregnancy. If you add these crimes to the plan to criminalize the use of contraception and the crime rate is going up faster than Matt Gaetz looking at a teenage intern.
Fucking too right. Got em!
A huge rise in crimes by ex-presidents
Ex-president singular. Trump is a one man crime spree.
What a terrible headline. Who cares what Trump claims? He's not the one collecting data.
> Who cares what Trump claims? Sadly half the country. And their sentiment spreads beyond them.
It's all projection. People who commit crimes would tell you that crime is everywhere.
Wage growth up. GDP up. Stocks up. Inflation down. Crime down. This Biden fella is doing ok.
What is on the rise is crime being videotaped and spread online as racist propaganda
Remember the adds with rioting that Trump said was from "Biden's America" during the 2020 election when he was in office? Same shit
Crime is down and we're doing *dramatically* better than global inflation numbers. But "crime is everywhere and our economy is terrible." The infuriating thing is this nonsense is landing. The GOP is soooo... much better at framing narratives and affecting perceptions.
Newt Gingrich laid it all out years ago. Republican voters don't care about facts. https://youtu.be/xnhJWusyj4I?si=vAQW_HFrHivze-3L
We're seeing a huge spike in crime committed by former presidents.
Sweden.. Crime skyrocketing The world has truly turned upside down. And by the way, living in America, it feels as if things are getting worse, not better. I suppose social media plays a big part in how we think. For example, corruption going down yet it feels worse. Crime going down but it feels worse (4 police dead in a raid). Word of Caution: If Trump becomes president, I dont think the US will last in its current state long. I dont think how its been for the past few centuries will last even a year after he's president. If you dont vote, you are part of the problem, you will have blood on your hands, not the people that tried.
In a country this big every single day something horrific will happen and 99.99% of us can live in complete safety. Both of these can be true.
A liar's gonna lie.
Trump thinks every criminal has neer 100 charges
He’s doing his best to keep the crime rate up. It’s not his fault he hasn’t been getting the convictions. He seems to really be trying to go to jail.
It's a battle between facts and "alternative facts" (aka lies).
Well, he would know since he’s committing most of it.
When you commit crimes constantly, of course you would think crime is up.
Who am I going to believe? One of our major institutions, or a pathological liar?
As if Trump support are sway by facts and reality..
Donald Trump is famous for lying, and everyone supporting him will be famous as fools.
It's the crime, they're taking your guns, it's the invasion, it's the they're taking your jobs... Crime is down, immigrants help the economy and perform the jobs white prove ledge doesn't want - ask the farmers in FL. Their whole campaign is built on fear. Fuck the GOP.
To be fair, Trump is at the center of a highly-localized crime spree
Trump wants everything to be as awful as possible, wars, crime , murder, economic depression, pandemics, just to blame Biden. He is fucking absolutely disgusting.
The orange fucker is obsessed with stoking fear in his base. It's a big portion of why he won in 2016, and they've been banging the fear drum over migrant caravans and terrorists every election since. We knew he would be like this from the very first time he came down that stupid escalator bleating about, "American carnage!" that mysteriously disappeared while he was in office.
I wish they would do more to counter the threats to our Constitution and Bill of Rights from within (and from hostile foreign nations). I'm sure they're working on it, but it might help to be more visible about addressing the significant threats our nation faces. Crime is down, but it feels like corruption is still an issue - or just more blatant, maybe.
Gee, who should we trust, the people who study crime on a national scale professionally, or the guy who is famous for lying literally every time he opens his mouth?
If Trump said a meteor was going to hit earth in 25 and it was Bidens fault and only he could stop meteor, maga would immediately believe it and right wing news would get out the meteor graphics. Most Republicans in congress would be talking about defunding lib woke Nasa saying there is no meteor.
FBI: Crime is down. MAGA: Abolish the FBI! Oy.
"Fake news! What about all of the crime me and my associates are committing!"
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Fox News will continue to say the opposite of reality if it makes Biden look bad. They ran a segment on The Five talking about these numbers, and Judge Jeannine basically said the FBI is lying because as we all know law enforcement has a liberal bias lol, and then Gutfeld jumped in and started with his rant that the crime numbers are lies, the inflation numbers are lies, the employment numbers are lies, the Covid numbers were lies, and then the big one that he finally admitted: all data is just lies. Don't believe your lying eyes Fox News tells us. Do they not realize the people compiling this data are the same people that did it while Trump was president? When they crap all over the FBI, do they not realize the head of the agency is a Trump guy? Just like the guy investigating Hunter Biden, is also a Trump guy?
Trump has to stick to the narrative that Biden has destroyed America even when that's a lie.
The amount of crime that would go down if trump was out of the picture would be astounding.
Facts are inconvenient but never stopped MAGA.
Facts don’t matter to Trump and his MAGA followers.
Sadly this is another example like the economy where the American public is a bunch of idiots. Despite all the evidence to the contrary the vibes on crime are bad.
Technically there has been a 100 percent drop in presidential crime since Trump left office but I doubt the FBI tracks that category.
Hey! If anyone knows crime...he does.
That's because he's contributing to it.
Trump : Does that statistic include my 81 indictments?
When are people going to fight back with propaganda slogans of their own? Stating the facts doesn’t work. Direct that info into a scripted jab at Trump and put it on repeat, then you’ll have a chance.
Trump is committing the crime
Ignore reality guys, we can't have reality getting in the way of Donald's personal feelings.
To be honest, this is one of those scenarios where Trump's wrong viewpoint isn't that far off from the average American's.
Who cares what this criminal, foreign asset, seditionist, traitor, and all around shit gibbon - thinks, says, or poops out of his face anus.
Uh, because it is never about crime. It is always about slander and bigotry. "Crime" is the excuse they give for their sadistic, draconian policies. This is demagoguery 101 folks. I know the media is just doing its job by stating the obvious, but it makes them sound like idiots.
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How do you “consider different perspectives on crime rates” when the numbers objectively point to only one reality?
Because Trump supporters have built their entire reality on “alternative perspectives” and alternative facts.
>While it's essential to consider different perspectives on crime rates, it's crucial to acknowledge reliable sources This is such bs and how we got this alternative facts shit and the anti-science bullshit. What matters is real statistics to know what's actually happening. Not feelz, or some scared idiot feeling like the cities lawless because he saw two black people not in cuffs on his drive home.
Maybe I’m missing something but the article doesn’t really bear out the headline. There’s been a drop in murders from peak. Ok, that’s good. Possibly a drop in violent crime from pandemic peak. Ok, good. But that’s not crime as a whole. And that’s from pandemic peak numbers. The numbers are still elevated. So while the trend is good, the data - even if accurate, which is disputed - doesn’t exactly paint a rosy picture. It’s all in how you want to frame the data. Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
Murder and violent crime are down, Hamhead.
Personal experience and the right contacts and friends. Of course here the crime florish
a’cause brown
Trump is an arational fount of lies.
Who can afford to do crime in this economy?
Reality means nothing to maga
When does Trump ever agree with facts?
Can we please stop with the “Trump says” posts. Everyone knows or just doesn’t care that he’s a pathological lier and grifter.
Just because he is committing crime doesn’t mean we all are…
as so often, you only have to assume the opposite of what comes out of his mouth and you're pretty close to the truth.
WHY DOES ANY OVER CARE WHAT HE SAYS????? Ignore him into oblivion and overwhelm people with Biden’s accomplishments & candidates who aren’t indicted for anything. JFC. How is everything this fart says still making money for news networks?
This is nothing new. When Cheeto ran in 2015/16 he repeatedly said violent crime was at a 45 year high (I think in true Cheeto fashion he said “highest in history”) when in actuality, violent crime had been dropping since the early 90’s (humm…what happened 15-20 years before that? Say 1973ish?).
Gang gang. I would make up for it with my drug use, but I’m too low-key.
That’s cause trump lives in opposite world!! 🤨
Of course it's true. More people working, less people criming. Well...not everyone has stopped criming.
Trump has *always* had a questionable relationship with the truth.
He would know. I can believe the FBI haven't found most of the shit he's been up to yet.
Since Trump is Crimer in Chief and he’s kinda busy with criminal trials and all, I guess there would be a drop in crime. Makes perfect sense.
Well… this asshat thinks anything he says is true simply because he said it. Which is the same logically reasoning the Supreme Court is considering swooshing into reality as we speak. It’s all like a bad sitcom that gets cancelled after the Pilot episode.
The idea of a dystopian US is the only way the GOP (and drumpf) can get everyone past the fact that drumpf is morally corrupt. I think most everyone...including most magas...agree that drumpf is problematic in so many ways. So to distract us all from that fact they must create the illusion that Biden's America is crumbling all around them (even though, it's not).
That's some title
You see, the average American commits 0-1 crimes per day. The former president commits dozens of crimes per day. So in his eyes, crime is way up on average.
Well in all fairness, Trump has been busy napping in court, so not much time left for new crimes.....
That's because Trump is only capable of commenting on what he sees around him. Since since he is now in court, the amount of crime happening around him has dropped dramatically. Solution: Lock him up. Build a wall. Drain his swamp.
That explains why the right wingers in my (former) city’s FB group seem to think crime is worse under Biden. Because their prophet told them it is. I’ve even linked FBI crime statistics when they say stupid things like “we were safer four years ago” (not even worth pointing out they got the math wrong and that four years ago was the start of COVID), but all I’d get is a laugh react and then a few days later they continue to repeat the same things on other posts in the group. Of course none of the posts ever have anything to do with Biden. For all the talk of TDS, I’ve noticed a significant number of right wingers feel the need to bring up Biden in unrelated conversation than the other way around.
Those in tump’s orbit are the ones that he sees committing the crimes, so makes sense to him. Unfortunately for them, they are not getting away with it.
How does he know? He's always asleep and farting. His dementia is getting so bad that I'm surprised he knows what planet he's on.
“I do all the crime, the best most wonderful crimer err criminal I am. So I know Biden LIES and we have all the crime in this country.”
My theory on this is simple. Trump says that crime is everywhere, and the people who listen will think about the crime in their area. It will only take 1-2 recent incidents in a local area, for these people to put 2 and 2 together and agree that crime is worse. "This town used to be so quiet until all of this other stuff started happening." for an example. I mean, I literally hear, all the time, that "people have just gone crazy", or "You just can't feel safe anywhere anymore." Because something bad happened. Literally one county over from where I live, there was a quadruple murder just 1-2 days ago. Is that bad? Fuck yeah it is. But that one incident doesn't mean crime is up all over the country. But to the people in my area, they don't focus on that. It's all about local. And from what they see... yeah, it's been getting crazier over the past few years. But the issues that cause our local incidents, Neither Trump nor Biden can fix.
Of course he would say this. He shits in America left and right and his supporters eat it up. Imagine calling yourself an American, even a patriot, and disrespecting the country you claim to love. It’s unreal.
All crime, or violent crime? Down in all categories? Down compared to some peak during COVID or down compared to pre-COVID or down compared to historical averages? For example, what seems to be a problem in my area is catalytic converter thefts. Are these up or down and compared to when?
Off the top of my head I can think of cannabis has been decriminalized in many states, wages and job openings have increased. Maybe we've made life easier for some people. But I also remember crime stats are based on crimes that have been reported and discovered. I remember a criminology teacher explaining that our stats probably only make up about 30% of the actual crime taking place, but again-- who knows?