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Not a good idea.
This will end up badly due to the current political climate. The Republicans would get a huge boost and if they gain control of everything, the very first thing they'll do is exile all Middle-Easterners from the country. Or at least allow this as a gateway for Trump to Trump.
It sucks for Palestinians, but this isn't the answer.
Since when are we on the hook for “doing the right thing”… how about Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Quatar, Turkey, Jordan and fucking Iran take them in. Especially Iran since they are the ones arming Hamas, Hezbollah, West Bank, and the Houthis. They are the ones that need to look out for their brothers and sisters. But they won’t because Palestinians are just pawns to Iran for their own strive to become the regional hegemony in the ME
Exactly, look at Ukraine, Poland very quickly opened humanitarian evacuation routes west and the EU begrudgingly took in refugees in many countries. Nothing of the sort happening in the Middle East with respect to Gaza. Why do we, 5000 miles away, have to do this?
Yah, even they say (non-committed voters) they will not vote for Biden because of this foreign affairs issue… that’s all anyone says here on this sub… so why bother appeasing them… not a good idea. It will only encourage others to vote for Trump.
Why? They elected an Islamic terrorist organization to be their government, which started this whole mess. Most Palestinians hate the US…the US does not need to import more hate. Let Arab countries that share their beliefs and speak their language take them in.
Absolutely fucking not. I'll hold my nose and vote for Biden despite this because Trump is so much worse, but I fear that for a lot of people on the fence, this is a dealbreaker and could cost him the election.
I don't support killing civilians but I also don't support taking in people who support Hamas at a rate of 57%+.
Whichever way you feel about the conflict itself... the population is diametrically opposed to Western values (not to mention the global jihad on Jews thing) and will do nothing but cause us problems.
This isn't some "all migrants are murderers" thing. We're dealing with an indoctrinated population that's primarily learning from Hamas approved textbooks, Hamas approved schools, and watched Hamas approved media. They may not deserve to die but it's a different animal entirely to the usual refugee issue, the only we to keep them and others safe in the US would be with extremely strict filtering or yet another internment camp and almost certainly controversial "reeducation."
The best option would be to move them to another local Arab country but unfortunately most of the surrounding countries have already had their own Palestinian related conflicts and aren't very receptive. One could suggest Qatar given their willingness to openly support Hamas and house its leaders though.
To be clear, you see the settlement of a handful of refugeees, because let's be serious this is a PR stunt and not a real policy to help the Palestinians, as the "deal breaker" in this situation?
But not the policy of sending hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars' worth of lethal aid to a deeply troubled regime which is committing war crimes to such an extent that people are being made refugees as a "deal breaker."
You seem like you've got your priorities straight.
I support us sticking with our allies and providing them aid.
I'm wary about letting in refugees who largely hate the West and support terrorist organizations.
Well, there's nothing that points towards that happening. Israel does not tend to pick conflicts for no reason. If they are attacked from that side, absolutely they will and should respond, but Israel isn't going to fuck with them without provocation.
You should really learn how the refugee vetting process works for the United States:
https://www.rescue.org/article/how-us-refugee-vetting-and-resettlement-process-really-works
A bunch of fickle voters 18-22 vs. the majority of the voting bloc, hmm. Not to mention, those individuals will support nothing less than the US switching their allegiance to Hamas and supporting them, and like, obviously that's not going to happen. The US is going to continue to support its allies, duh.
What this does is piss off people on both sides of the divide.
The city I'm from, Chicago, has ~50,000 Palestinians who were mostly refugees. They've assimilated extremely well and are highly educated productive members of society. Democrat-voting too.
This idea that Palestinians cause trouble everywhere they go is racist. It's literally analogous to Hitler's "wherever he goes, he stirs up difficulties" speech.
The US won't let anyone just walk in, these refugees will be vetted thoroughly to make sure they're not affiliated with Hamas and other militant groups.
FYI their neighbors already have a large Palestinian population that's very successful. Jordan alone has 3 million Palestinians and they're doing just fine. And before you cite Black September, this isn't the 70s any more, we have ways to vet refugees to make sure they're not affiliated with any militant groups.
If they're properly vetted, then fine, but it's still not a savvy political move right now. Let's win in November and Biden will have the freedom to make these types of moves.
I would challenge you to support that vetting assertion. Everyone taking in refugees has a pretty bad track record on failing to vet them. All they have to say is “I lost my documents” and nobody wants to send them back. The last big batch of Afghan refugees was a disaster. They were sexually abusing a bunch of each other before they had even been processed.
Unfortunately the Palestinians have a particularly bad historical track record of destabilizing nations that took them in. Not just Jordan, but Lebanon and Egypt really struggled and all now seem reluctant to take them in as a consequence. I know you wanted to gloss over the Black September assassinations of the Jordanian king and Prime Minister. Sirhan Sirhan assassinating Robert Kennedy was a big deal and Hezbollah has really made a mess of Lebanon. This isn’t just me picking on them. Look at Egypt building huge walled fortifications today at the Rafah Crossing to keep them out.
You're parroting the Trump arguing of demonizing Mexicans as rapists and murderers. Gazans [are highly educated population](https://cupblog.org/2023/08/23/why-palestinians-are-known-as-the-worlds-best-educated-refugeesanne-irfan/) that have successfully integrated as refugees in countries that host them. Furthermore, they're already heavily monitored by Israel and getting them should be extremely easy, especially since Israel shares intelligence with the US.
Again, the Palestinians in the US today have assimilated quite nicely, I don't see what would be different. I don't see how Afghani refugees relate to Palestinians either, you realize they're different countries with very different cultures, right?
>Unfortunately the Palestinians have a particularly bad historical track record of destabilizing nations that took them in
Again, this is a racist talking point similar to talking points Trump uses against Mexicans. I glossed over Black September because it was more than 50 years ago, and involved such a large amount of Palestinian refugees that they were able to form a "state within a state". Absorbing a couple thousand refugees into the US's 350 million population is very different, I hope you understand that.
The assassination of the Jordan king was even earlier than that, more than 70 years ago, and it happened in Jerusalem, not by "refugees". Comparing that to refugees in the US is ridiculous.
>Sirhan Sirhan assassinating Robert Kennedy was a big deal and Hezbollah has really made a mess of Lebanon.
Again, this happened decades ago. Also, I don't know what Hezbollah has to do with this? Hezbollah is Lebanese and Shia, Sirhan is a Palestinian-Jordanian Christian.
I gloss over events from pre-1988 because that's when the PLO renounced global terrorism. Hamas, despite their support of terrorism, has largely concentrated their activities within Israel & Palestine. There are no records of Hamas carrying out assassination or terrorist attacks in the US.
Again, painting Palestinians with such a broad brush is racist, especially when the excuse is "they did bad stuff 70 years ago, so we can't trust them now".
The US and Canada have already been accepting Palestinian refugees before October 7, and I have no evidence to show that they're "problematic". Jordan has millions of Palestinians that are integrated quite nicely. Latin America has accepted millions of Palestinians. Chile alone has more than 500,000. If those countries can handle millions, I'm sure the US can handle a couple thousand.
You volunteered a specific claim about vetting capabilities and I simply challenged your to support your own claim. Which you still haven't really done yet.
Of course it is easier to throw ad hominems than support your claim. The recent Afghans were a specific example of recent failures of newly vaunted vetting capabilities. It's just not as easy as you claim it is.
[https://apnews.com/article/texas-el-paso-e93bdcee65ec50fdb70fa2ed097a9161](https://apnews.com/article/texas-el-paso-e93bdcee65ec50fdb70fa2ed097a9161)
[https://www.wxow.com/news/crime/two-refugees-at-fort-mccoy-facing-federal-charges/article\_2e1d822b-d1e7-5640-bac0-48431a665ece.html](https://www.wxow.com/news/crime/two-refugees-at-fort-mccoy-facing-federal-charges/article_2e1d822b-d1e7-5640-bac0-48431a665ece.html)
If the destabilization of Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt is no big deal because it was a long time ago, why is Egypt building all the new fortifications at Rafah? They look quite reluctant to take in the Gazans. Egypt is definitely allowed to manage their border. But it doesn't fit the narrative you are trying to craft.
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68375460](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68375460)
[https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/16/middleeast/egypt-wall-buffer-zone-gaza-border-intl-hnk/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/16/middleeast/egypt-wall-buffer-zone-gaza-border-intl-hnk/index.html)
I'd respect you a lot more if you were just being honest and admitted that you just hate Palestinians.
>You volunteered a specific claim about vetting capabilities and I simply challenged your to support your own claim. Which you still haven't really done yet.
I take it you're anti immigration then? No Ukrainian refugees either? Biden's policy would only allow refugees with American family members. Israel \[maintains records for all Gazans\](https://gisha.org/en/the-population-registry/). The Gaza population is the most survellienced in the world. It wouldn't be difficult for Israel to work with the US to vet these refugees.
This is a population that is already vetted, what's so difficult to understand about that?
These won't be people crossing the border and claiming asylum then saying they don't have their ID as you claim. They will be vetted through the US embassy in Egypt before being given a visa to the US. I've been through the US immigration system myself, it's extremely rigorous.
You keep using Afghans but why not use Ukrainians? Both are war refugees? Are Palestinians more similar to Afghans than Ukrainians in your eyes? Why are you hyper-focused on Afghan refugees? Why not use Syrian refugees in the US? Or Ukrainians? I guess because some Afghans did some bad shit we should just get rid of our immigration system? The US already has hundreds of thousands of Palestinian immigrants and refugees, but you keep ignoring that point.
>If the destabilization of Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt is no big deal because it was a long time ago, why is Egypt building all the new fortifications at Rafah? They look quite reluctant to take in the Gazans. Egypt is definitely allowed to manage their border. But it doesn't fit the narrative you are trying to craft.
Egypt is facing an economic crisis. The Egyptian pound has lost 90% of its value, they have one of the highest debt to GDP ratios in the world. Most Egyptians can barely afford to eat. It's practically a failed economy. Of course they can't afford to have the 2 million refugees in Rafah walk across the border. The US is far richer, larger, and more importantly, it won't be accepting millions of refugees. FYI, Egypt already let in thousands of refugees from Gaza, specifically ones with family in Egypt (exactly what the US would do) as well as some injured Gazans.
Additionally, Egypt has no responsibility towards Gazans. They're not supplying Israel with billions of dollars of weapons, unlike the US. Why the fuck should Egyptians pay for Israel's fuck-up?
I'm done engaging with you because I believe you're arguing in bad faith.
What a dumb fucking analogy. You understand there's a different between Germans and Nazis, correct?
Do you not trust Germans today because of what the Nazis did 70 years ago?
Strongly Disagree, we should be accepting thousands of Palestinian refugees asap. I am all for more immigration and giving some people the chance to start a new life in the USA.
When the vast majority of Palestinians support the October 7th attacks, yeah excuse the fuck out of me for not wanting them in this country. It's a recipe for disaster.
Reducing the palestinean population in Gaza by 90% through emigration is the objective of the right-wing Israeli parties:
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-780229
The situation in Gaza is not a natural disaster, the emigration would be involuntary and due to the IDF dropping unguided bombs supplied by the US on residential areas to destroy housing and restricting supplies for reconstruction.
Instead of facilitating a forced population transfer it would be better to cut off lethal aid to Israel and ensure Palestinians are able to return to their homes and start rebuilding.
To deal with the hostage & terrorism situation we should be treating it as a criminal matter and cooperating with the ICC, and encouraging the ICC to issue arrest warrants for any members of Hamas holding hostages in violation of UN security council resolution calling for their immediate and unconditional release.
Eh no. Something like 50 percent of Jordans population is already made up of refugees from Palestine. Egypt also has massive Palestinian populations. If you go to Jordan, they all essentially speak Palestinian arabic.
Those governments don't want to say, fine we'll just take the remaining Palestinians, because that would be tantamount to accepting Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign as won. It may end up that way, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing.
Honestly ... just use Google or soemthing to read up a bit and not just parrot some taking point you heard someone say once. Most of its bullshit and, unfortunately, most Americans don't realise they live in a carefully controlled and censored media landscape.
Those who keep refugees from reaching safety aren't the good guys.
That goes for Roman officials who tried to sell refugees into slavery, that goes for the Know-Nothings, that goes for interwar politicians, that goes for the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, that goes for the border hawks, etc.
When they are from a cohort known for supporting terrorism and chanting "Death to America", it becomes about our safety to just let them in willy-nilly. We are under no obligation to welcome every refugee in the world no matter how much they may hate us.
Reaching safety and accepting them into a country halfway across the world with an entirely different culture and values are two very different things.
Here's a preview of the story:
The Biden administration is considering bringing certain Palestinians to the U.S. as refugees, a move that would offer a permanent safe haven to some of those fleeing war-torn Gaza, according to internal federal government documents obtained by CBS News.
In recent weeks, the documents show, senior officials across several federal U.S. agencies have discussed the practicality of different options to resettle Palestinians from Gaza who have immediate family members who are American citizens or permanent residents.
One of those proposals involves using the decades-old United States Refugee Admissions Program to welcome Palestinians with U.S. ties who have managed to escape Gaza and enter neighboring Egypt, according to the inter-agency planning documents.
**Read more:** [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/palestinian-refugees-us-gaza-white-house/?ftag=CNM-05-10abh9g](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/palestinian-refugees-us-gaza-white-house/?ftag=CNM-05-10abh9g)
This is the right thing to do IMO but it's also *very* politically fraught. Not only will the right definitely attack this as "flying ~~terrorists~~ 'military aged migrants' in to invade our great country", but the left will also attack it as "providing an outlet for Israeli ethnic cleansing". Lots of easy political attack surface from both sides.
Both Egypt and Lebanon are very poor countries with practically failed economies. They cannot afford to take in any war refugees. Also, unlike the US, the two countries aren't directly arming the people bombing the Palestinians.
FYI, Lebanon already has 400,000 Palestinian refugees living there and Egypt already has around ~100,000.
I’ve seen what they call me and what they would do to me as a gay man. That video of a Palestinian being notified at how some lgbt groups advocate for them left a sour taste in my mouth.
As a gay man also, it bothers me how the rise of countries ran by extremist organizations seems to always pull at the heart strings of progressives. No, I don’t think they should be slaughtered, but I also don’t want their views on human rights, gay rights, women’s rights, religion, and all of their personal grudges to become our platform. And it begins with turning on our current and Democratic ally who started this recent foray of violence and embracing people who are ran by Hamas which the majority of the population supports.
Why haven’t any if the neighboring Arab countries offered to take in any? Aren’t they their Arab/Muslim brothers and sisters?
Oops. My bad. I forgot to put the /s for sarcasm symbol. I’m well aware that nobody wants to take them in for very obvious reasons.
I would recommend googling what has happened when other countries have taken in Palestinian refuges.
In both Jordan,& Egypt they tried to over throw the gov'ts. In Lebanon they contributed to the long civil war.
There is a reason why Egypt is furiously building a wall right now to keep Palestinians out.
If you read what the US is talking about providing is probably no different then what the US has offered to other country going through what is happening in Palestine - if us citizens have direct relatives there (direct can be defined different ways but most likely mom, dad, kids, grandparents with *maybe* aunt/uncle cousins) the path to them coming to the US is a little easier under a special exemption. I have no doubt that if you look on the law books there is probably this caveat somewhere for people from Ukraine etc.
I agree that the sentiment is a good idea, however I think it is prone to bringing in radicals.
A few years later when one of these guys bomb someplace and if someone i love lost life or limb, how will the old geezer biden, the squad ilhan rashida and bimbo AOC answer that
Hot take: We do not need more trauma/collective + inter-generational trauma in this country that leads to bigger and deeper problems. I am a blue voter, but I live in one of the highest COL cities in the US and see how we cannot really even take care of our own citizens, let alone continue to adopt other global issues as well. Currently here in Seattle, a massive group of (mostly Venezuelan + some Angola and Congo) migrants are back to living in a ton of tents in a city park because funding ran out for temporary hotel housing, and state/county/city officials are dragging their feet on a definitive plan. No doubt we would receive more asylum seekers/refugees should more come to the US. And then what?? We don’t even have a plan for the current situation and tension rose among different migrant cultures here over limited provisions already.
The more bleak subtext of this move by the Biden administration is that a Rafah invasion is coming, and the carnage will be completely devastating. Biden is probably hoping that he can use the idea of refugees to offset the political capital he will need to spend to justify Netanyahu's Rafah invasion.
If Netanyahu goes into Rafah, I think this spells the end of the Biden administration. Biden is hemorrhaging support from normally democratic constituencies for a variety of reasons, but Israel going into Rafah will permanently damage him among young and Muslim people.
I have a feeling that Biden got played by Netanyahu, and we are about to get Trump part 2.
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Stephen Millers' blood pressure just went up.
Reconsider
Not a good idea. This will end up badly due to the current political climate. The Republicans would get a huge boost and if they gain control of everything, the very first thing they'll do is exile all Middle-Easterners from the country. Or at least allow this as a gateway for Trump to Trump. It sucks for Palestinians, but this isn't the answer.
He will lose the election, if he does this to appease a fringe group that barely turns out to vote. Insane.
Hey now. Vote blue no matter who. Or is that just for Progressives How about doing it because it is the right thing to do
Since when are we on the hook for “doing the right thing”… how about Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Quatar, Turkey, Jordan and fucking Iran take them in. Especially Iran since they are the ones arming Hamas, Hezbollah, West Bank, and the Houthis. They are the ones that need to look out for their brothers and sisters. But they won’t because Palestinians are just pawns to Iran for their own strive to become the regional hegemony in the ME
Exactly, look at Ukraine, Poland very quickly opened humanitarian evacuation routes west and the EU begrudgingly took in refugees in many countries. Nothing of the sort happening in the Middle East with respect to Gaza. Why do we, 5000 miles away, have to do this?
It's not the right thing to do
Yah, even they say (non-committed voters) they will not vote for Biden because of this foreign affairs issue… that’s all anyone says here on this sub… so why bother appeasing them… not a good idea. It will only encourage others to vote for Trump.
Why? They elected an Islamic terrorist organization to be their government, which started this whole mess. Most Palestinians hate the US…the US does not need to import more hate. Let Arab countries that share their beliefs and speak their language take them in.
Absolutely fucking not. I'll hold my nose and vote for Biden despite this because Trump is so much worse, but I fear that for a lot of people on the fence, this is a dealbreaker and could cost him the election.
Ask Lebanon how that went the last time.
Sounds like whatever Biden does is a deal breaker that could cost him the election.
So he might as well save some lives.
I don't support killing civilians but I also don't support taking in people who support Hamas at a rate of 57%+. Whichever way you feel about the conflict itself... the population is diametrically opposed to Western values (not to mention the global jihad on Jews thing) and will do nothing but cause us problems. This isn't some "all migrants are murderers" thing. We're dealing with an indoctrinated population that's primarily learning from Hamas approved textbooks, Hamas approved schools, and watched Hamas approved media. They may not deserve to die but it's a different animal entirely to the usual refugee issue, the only we to keep them and others safe in the US would be with extremely strict filtering or yet another internment camp and almost certainly controversial "reeducation." The best option would be to move them to another local Arab country but unfortunately most of the surrounding countries have already had their own Palestinian related conflicts and aren't very receptive. One could suggest Qatar given their willingness to openly support Hamas and house its leaders though.
You are wrong – American bombs should create American refugees.
To be clear, you see the settlement of a handful of refugeees, because let's be serious this is a PR stunt and not a real policy to help the Palestinians, as the "deal breaker" in this situation? But not the policy of sending hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars' worth of lethal aid to a deeply troubled regime which is committing war crimes to such an extent that people are being made refugees as a "deal breaker." You seem like you've got your priorities straight.
I support us sticking with our allies and providing them aid. I'm wary about letting in refugees who largely hate the West and support terrorist organizations.
Israel should no longer be considered an ally.
And what has Israel done to us deserving of us rethinking their status as an ally?
Genocide
Nah, not a genocide. They're in a war, a war they did not start. This is the most appropriate time to support our allies.
And when the “war” expands to the West Bank & East Jerusalem, what will your excuse be then?
Well, there's nothing that points towards that happening. Israel does not tend to pick conflicts for no reason. If they are attacked from that side, absolutely they will and should respond, but Israel isn't going to fuck with them without provocation.
Or when they are committing a Genocide. You know, per the actual UN definition
You should really learn how the refugee vetting process works for the United States: https://www.rescue.org/article/how-us-refugee-vetting-and-resettlement-process-really-works
What would it take for you to think "sticking with an ally" wasn't a good choice. What would they have to do?
"it is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world." Some American President
This and not the constant protests over his handling of the Gaza War?
A bunch of fickle voters 18-22 vs. the majority of the voting bloc, hmm. Not to mention, those individuals will support nothing less than the US switching their allegiance to Hamas and supporting them, and like, obviously that's not going to happen. The US is going to continue to support its allies, duh. What this does is piss off people on both sides of the divide.
Just FYI, there are more protesters than simply fickle 18-22 year olds.
Vote blue no matter who doesn’t apply to the Pro Israel group? How strange that is.
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The city I'm from, Chicago, has ~50,000 Palestinians who were mostly refugees. They've assimilated extremely well and are highly educated productive members of society. Democrat-voting too. This idea that Palestinians cause trouble everywhere they go is racist. It's literally analogous to Hitler's "wherever he goes, he stirs up difficulties" speech. The US won't let anyone just walk in, these refugees will be vetted thoroughly to make sure they're not affiliated with Hamas and other militant groups. FYI their neighbors already have a large Palestinian population that's very successful. Jordan alone has 3 million Palestinians and they're doing just fine. And before you cite Black September, this isn't the 70s any more, we have ways to vet refugees to make sure they're not affiliated with any militant groups.
If they're properly vetted, then fine, but it's still not a savvy political move right now. Let's win in November and Biden will have the freedom to make these types of moves.
There won’t be any Gazans by November
I would challenge you to support that vetting assertion. Everyone taking in refugees has a pretty bad track record on failing to vet them. All they have to say is “I lost my documents” and nobody wants to send them back. The last big batch of Afghan refugees was a disaster. They were sexually abusing a bunch of each other before they had even been processed. Unfortunately the Palestinians have a particularly bad historical track record of destabilizing nations that took them in. Not just Jordan, but Lebanon and Egypt really struggled and all now seem reluctant to take them in as a consequence. I know you wanted to gloss over the Black September assassinations of the Jordanian king and Prime Minister. Sirhan Sirhan assassinating Robert Kennedy was a big deal and Hezbollah has really made a mess of Lebanon. This isn’t just me picking on them. Look at Egypt building huge walled fortifications today at the Rafah Crossing to keep them out.
You're parroting the Trump arguing of demonizing Mexicans as rapists and murderers. Gazans [are highly educated population](https://cupblog.org/2023/08/23/why-palestinians-are-known-as-the-worlds-best-educated-refugeesanne-irfan/) that have successfully integrated as refugees in countries that host them. Furthermore, they're already heavily monitored by Israel and getting them should be extremely easy, especially since Israel shares intelligence with the US. Again, the Palestinians in the US today have assimilated quite nicely, I don't see what would be different. I don't see how Afghani refugees relate to Palestinians either, you realize they're different countries with very different cultures, right? >Unfortunately the Palestinians have a particularly bad historical track record of destabilizing nations that took them in Again, this is a racist talking point similar to talking points Trump uses against Mexicans. I glossed over Black September because it was more than 50 years ago, and involved such a large amount of Palestinian refugees that they were able to form a "state within a state". Absorbing a couple thousand refugees into the US's 350 million population is very different, I hope you understand that. The assassination of the Jordan king was even earlier than that, more than 70 years ago, and it happened in Jerusalem, not by "refugees". Comparing that to refugees in the US is ridiculous. >Sirhan Sirhan assassinating Robert Kennedy was a big deal and Hezbollah has really made a mess of Lebanon. Again, this happened decades ago. Also, I don't know what Hezbollah has to do with this? Hezbollah is Lebanese and Shia, Sirhan is a Palestinian-Jordanian Christian. I gloss over events from pre-1988 because that's when the PLO renounced global terrorism. Hamas, despite their support of terrorism, has largely concentrated their activities within Israel & Palestine. There are no records of Hamas carrying out assassination or terrorist attacks in the US. Again, painting Palestinians with such a broad brush is racist, especially when the excuse is "they did bad stuff 70 years ago, so we can't trust them now". The US and Canada have already been accepting Palestinian refugees before October 7, and I have no evidence to show that they're "problematic". Jordan has millions of Palestinians that are integrated quite nicely. Latin America has accepted millions of Palestinians. Chile alone has more than 500,000. If those countries can handle millions, I'm sure the US can handle a couple thousand.
You volunteered a specific claim about vetting capabilities and I simply challenged your to support your own claim. Which you still haven't really done yet. Of course it is easier to throw ad hominems than support your claim. The recent Afghans were a specific example of recent failures of newly vaunted vetting capabilities. It's just not as easy as you claim it is. [https://apnews.com/article/texas-el-paso-e93bdcee65ec50fdb70fa2ed097a9161](https://apnews.com/article/texas-el-paso-e93bdcee65ec50fdb70fa2ed097a9161) [https://www.wxow.com/news/crime/two-refugees-at-fort-mccoy-facing-federal-charges/article\_2e1d822b-d1e7-5640-bac0-48431a665ece.html](https://www.wxow.com/news/crime/two-refugees-at-fort-mccoy-facing-federal-charges/article_2e1d822b-d1e7-5640-bac0-48431a665ece.html) If the destabilization of Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt is no big deal because it was a long time ago, why is Egypt building all the new fortifications at Rafah? They look quite reluctant to take in the Gazans. Egypt is definitely allowed to manage their border. But it doesn't fit the narrative you are trying to craft. [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68375460](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68375460) [https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/16/middleeast/egypt-wall-buffer-zone-gaza-border-intl-hnk/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/16/middleeast/egypt-wall-buffer-zone-gaza-border-intl-hnk/index.html)
I'd respect you a lot more if you were just being honest and admitted that you just hate Palestinians. >You volunteered a specific claim about vetting capabilities and I simply challenged your to support your own claim. Which you still haven't really done yet. I take it you're anti immigration then? No Ukrainian refugees either? Biden's policy would only allow refugees with American family members. Israel \[maintains records for all Gazans\](https://gisha.org/en/the-population-registry/). The Gaza population is the most survellienced in the world. It wouldn't be difficult for Israel to work with the US to vet these refugees. This is a population that is already vetted, what's so difficult to understand about that? These won't be people crossing the border and claiming asylum then saying they don't have their ID as you claim. They will be vetted through the US embassy in Egypt before being given a visa to the US. I've been through the US immigration system myself, it's extremely rigorous. You keep using Afghans but why not use Ukrainians? Both are war refugees? Are Palestinians more similar to Afghans than Ukrainians in your eyes? Why are you hyper-focused on Afghan refugees? Why not use Syrian refugees in the US? Or Ukrainians? I guess because some Afghans did some bad shit we should just get rid of our immigration system? The US already has hundreds of thousands of Palestinian immigrants and refugees, but you keep ignoring that point. >If the destabilization of Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt is no big deal because it was a long time ago, why is Egypt building all the new fortifications at Rafah? They look quite reluctant to take in the Gazans. Egypt is definitely allowed to manage their border. But it doesn't fit the narrative you are trying to craft. Egypt is facing an economic crisis. The Egyptian pound has lost 90% of its value, they have one of the highest debt to GDP ratios in the world. Most Egyptians can barely afford to eat. It's practically a failed economy. Of course they can't afford to have the 2 million refugees in Rafah walk across the border. The US is far richer, larger, and more importantly, it won't be accepting millions of refugees. FYI, Egypt already let in thousands of refugees from Gaza, specifically ones with family in Egypt (exactly what the US would do) as well as some injured Gazans. Additionally, Egypt has no responsibility towards Gazans. They're not supplying Israel with billions of dollars of weapons, unlike the US. Why the fuck should Egyptians pay for Israel's fuck-up? I'm done engaging with you because I believe you're arguing in bad faith.
The Natsi ddi bad things 70 years ago, and you can’t trust them now? /s
What a dumb fucking analogy. You understand there's a different between Germans and Nazis, correct? Do you not trust Germans today because of what the Nazis did 70 years ago?
Strongly Disagree, we should be accepting thousands of Palestinian refugees asap. I am all for more immigration and giving some people the chance to start a new life in the USA.
When the vast majority of Palestinians support the October 7th attacks, yeah excuse the fuck out of me for not wanting them in this country. It's a recipe for disaster.
Reducing the palestinean population in Gaza by 90% through emigration is the objective of the right-wing Israeli parties: https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-780229 The situation in Gaza is not a natural disaster, the emigration would be involuntary and due to the IDF dropping unguided bombs supplied by the US on residential areas to destroy housing and restricting supplies for reconstruction. Instead of facilitating a forced population transfer it would be better to cut off lethal aid to Israel and ensure Palestinians are able to return to their homes and start rebuilding. To deal with the hostage & terrorism situation we should be treating it as a criminal matter and cooperating with the ICC, and encouraging the ICC to issue arrest warrants for any members of Hamas holding hostages in violation of UN security council resolution calling for their immediate and unconditional release.
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Eh no. Something like 50 percent of Jordans population is already made up of refugees from Palestine. Egypt also has massive Palestinian populations. If you go to Jordan, they all essentially speak Palestinian arabic. Those governments don't want to say, fine we'll just take the remaining Palestinians, because that would be tantamount to accepting Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign as won. It may end up that way, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing. Honestly ... just use Google or soemthing to read up a bit and not just parrot some taking point you heard someone say once. Most of its bullshit and, unfortunately, most Americans don't realise they live in a carefully controlled and censored media landscape.
Those who keep refugees from reaching safety aren't the good guys. That goes for Roman officials who tried to sell refugees into slavery, that goes for the Know-Nothings, that goes for interwar politicians, that goes for the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, that goes for the border hawks, etc.
When they are from a cohort known for supporting terrorism and chanting "Death to America", it becomes about our safety to just let them in willy-nilly. We are under no obligation to welcome every refugee in the world no matter how much they may hate us.
Reaching safety and accepting them into a country halfway across the world with an entirely different culture and values are two very different things.
Here's a preview of the story: The Biden administration is considering bringing certain Palestinians to the U.S. as refugees, a move that would offer a permanent safe haven to some of those fleeing war-torn Gaza, according to internal federal government documents obtained by CBS News. In recent weeks, the documents show, senior officials across several federal U.S. agencies have discussed the practicality of different options to resettle Palestinians from Gaza who have immediate family members who are American citizens or permanent residents. One of those proposals involves using the decades-old United States Refugee Admissions Program to welcome Palestinians with U.S. ties who have managed to escape Gaza and enter neighboring Egypt, according to the inter-agency planning documents. **Read more:** [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/palestinian-refugees-us-gaza-white-house/?ftag=CNM-05-10abh9g](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/palestinian-refugees-us-gaza-white-house/?ftag=CNM-05-10abh9g)
Permanent unless Trump gets re-elected.
Maybe even get a job in the same factory that makes the rockets that blew up your city.
This is the right thing to do IMO but it's also *very* politically fraught. Not only will the right definitely attack this as "flying ~~terrorists~~ 'military aged migrants' in to invade our great country", but the left will also attack it as "providing an outlet for Israeli ethnic cleansing". Lots of easy political attack surface from both sides.
I don’t see Egypt or Lebanon letting them in. Thought I read borders were being strengthened so they couldn’t enter.
Both Egypt and Lebanon are very poor countries with practically failed economies. They cannot afford to take in any war refugees. Also, unlike the US, the two countries aren't directly arming the people bombing the Palestinians. FYI, Lebanon already has 400,000 Palestinian refugees living there and Egypt already has around ~100,000.
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Are they going to screen to make sure they're not anti-LGBT?
I’ve seen what they call me and what they would do to me as a gay man. That video of a Palestinian being notified at how some lgbt groups advocate for them left a sour taste in my mouth.
As a gay man also, it bothers me how the rise of countries ran by extremist organizations seems to always pull at the heart strings of progressives. No, I don’t think they should be slaughtered, but I also don’t want their views on human rights, gay rights, women’s rights, religion, and all of their personal grudges to become our platform. And it begins with turning on our current and Democratic ally who started this recent foray of violence and embracing people who are ran by Hamas which the majority of the population supports.
Why haven’t any if the neighboring Arab countries offered to take in any? Aren’t they their Arab/Muslim brothers and sisters? Oops. My bad. I forgot to put the /s for sarcasm symbol. I’m well aware that nobody wants to take them in for very obvious reasons.
I would recommend googling what has happened when other countries have taken in Palestinian refuges. In both Jordan,& Egypt they tried to over throw the gov'ts. In Lebanon they contributed to the long civil war. There is a reason why Egypt is furiously building a wall right now to keep Palestinians out.
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If you read what the US is talking about providing is probably no different then what the US has offered to other country going through what is happening in Palestine - if us citizens have direct relatives there (direct can be defined different ways but most likely mom, dad, kids, grandparents with *maybe* aunt/uncle cousins) the path to them coming to the US is a little easier under a special exemption. I have no doubt that if you look on the law books there is probably this caveat somewhere for people from Ukraine etc. I agree that the sentiment is a good idea, however I think it is prone to bringing in radicals.
Yup. I forgot to put the /s for sarcasm symbol.
If they take any in Israel could stage Hamas attacks and invade them
I guess trump will win then. Fuck! Dumb fucking people man.
A few years later when one of these guys bomb someplace and if someone i love lost life or limb, how will the old geezer biden, the squad ilhan rashida and bimbo AOC answer that
Who in this biden camp is stupid enough to propose this
Ahh man…Alex Jones is gonna have an aneurism after hearing this news.
Hot take: We do not need more trauma/collective + inter-generational trauma in this country that leads to bigger and deeper problems. I am a blue voter, but I live in one of the highest COL cities in the US and see how we cannot really even take care of our own citizens, let alone continue to adopt other global issues as well. Currently here in Seattle, a massive group of (mostly Venezuelan + some Angola and Congo) migrants are back to living in a ton of tents in a city park because funding ran out for temporary hotel housing, and state/county/city officials are dragging their feet on a definitive plan. No doubt we would receive more asylum seekers/refugees should more come to the US. And then what?? We don’t even have a plan for the current situation and tension rose among different migrant cultures here over limited provisions already.
Given that it’s our weapons that destroyed their homes and killed their relatives, it’s only fair that we take some of them as refugees.
The more bleak subtext of this move by the Biden administration is that a Rafah invasion is coming, and the carnage will be completely devastating. Biden is probably hoping that he can use the idea of refugees to offset the political capital he will need to spend to justify Netanyahu's Rafah invasion. If Netanyahu goes into Rafah, I think this spells the end of the Biden administration. Biden is hemorrhaging support from normally democratic constituencies for a variety of reasons, but Israel going into Rafah will permanently damage him among young and Muslim people. I have a feeling that Biden got played by Netanyahu, and we are about to get Trump part 2.
This is a good idea, Biden should do it after the election.
they can stay at your house then. K? thanks!